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Ep. 3540 Remembering Who Charlie Kirk REALLY Was w/ Cliff Maloney · Turley Talks

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[SPEAKER_02]: The liberal globalist order is on its brink and awakening a new conservative age.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Steve Turley joined me every day as we discover answers to today's toughest challenges and explore the re-bondalization of conservative civilization.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is Turley Talks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Charlie, would advice would you give to our viewers who are afraid to take on controversial issues?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you just have to admit one truth and then you could chart your course from there, which is you will not be able to get your country back and keep everything you have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's impossible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You will lose friends, you'll lose contracts, you'll lose relationships, but you will gain in wisdom and encourage and you'll actually end up gaining in friendships that matters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's me, Dr. Steve, your patron professor, and I have a wonderful guest on with us today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Very good friend of mine and an even better friend to Charlie Kirk, as we've noted time and time again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Charlie wasn't just another political commentator.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At just 31, he had built turning point USA into a conservative empire, spanning over 850 college chapters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: his organization was credited with registering tens of thousands of new voters and helping flip Arizona for Trump in November.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that you may not know is that many of you played a direct part in that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's because of your support for the Pennsylvania Chase and their efforts at knocking on an unprecedented five
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[SPEAKER_02]: 100,000 doors in the single most massive get out the vote campaign in Pennsylvania's history.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the Pennsylvania chase was basically Pennsylvania's version of Charlie's Arizona get out of the vote, get out the vote campaign.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I am joined today by the widely recognized Godfather of door knocking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The CEO of Citizens United in founder of the Pennsylvania chase Cliff Maloney.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cliff, welcome my friend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so good to see you, my friend.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Steve, great to see you as always.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for having me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's our honor.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you and Charlie were obviously very close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about this earlier.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I never, unfortunately, I never got to meet him personally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was really looking forward to maybe doing some events with him this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And but I've been saying and my audience is certainly been telling me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I think we can all see it just because you don't know someone personally doesn't know you doesn't mean you didn't know them preciously and our audience loved Charlie, but you were fortunate enough to be a part of his inner circle to know them both personally and preciously.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So first, you know, Cliff, how are you doing?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then secondly, just give us a little bit of the backstory of how you met Charlie and started working together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I appreciate the opportunity to come out here and talk to the old early community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, to start, of course, I'm devastated, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to make too much light of it or jump past it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was horrific to watch one of my good friends, who was a political partner, a political ally, a mentor of mine, an American titan, if you will, to have to watch him as millions did on a live camera feed, take a bullet, it's just, you know, there's not really words, it was horrific.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First, you're scrambling, saying, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, sort of chance you could still be alive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First 30 minutes were, you know, a time I don't, I don't really ever want to have to live through again for anybody else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether I know them or not, because you're just scrambling to figure out what is happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, my story with Charlie, you know, is pretty, uh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: lengthy about 10, gosh, you know, it's probably even more than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe about 12 years ago, you know, we had cross pass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was running a youth org.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he was launching turning point USA was always impressed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do events and he's turning point USA activists would always show up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this is not a shot at, you know, the other groups like Yaf or college Republicans or any of these, these young conservative groups, but Charlie had real people, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so over the years, you know, we can end up at events together, speaking together, and then pretty much in 2018, when I decided that look, I want to really focus on knocking doors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's some power here, and I was focused on really state house and state Senate races.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, as I said to your audience, probably a year and a half ago now, Steve, I said, look, I get this phone call from Charlie, and he says, hey, he says turning points going to do Arizona was constant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, Trump wants somebody to really own PA when it comes to chasing balance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not registration, EV ads.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not digital.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not mailers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When it comes to chasing or harvesting ballots in the swing states, Charlie was owning Arizona Wisconsin through turning point hiring thousands of people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And our job at Citizens Alliance was to run the PA Chase program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Charlie really was the one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who encouraged me to go back to my home state just in my number two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's also from PA a lot of our team at citizens alliance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're from Pennsylvania.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we kind of took the directive from Charlie and obviously smashing success.
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[SPEAKER_01]: changed my life, you know, now in the national stage talking about a swing state heck talking to you and getting connected with so many patriots because it was one of the most important swing states and we were the one solution to fix the mail-in ballot program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's been an honor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and I really think Charlie for setting me up for success in PA and you know delivering the White House.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't one of the most important.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the most important that you're being humble and I will say I will trump it you here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If we didn't win Pennsylvania, I don't know how we could have won in the end.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you know this, Michigan and Wisconsin tend to follow Pennsylvania.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Pennsylvania is to, wherever Pennsylvania goes, Michigan, Wisconsin goes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guys double teamed up between Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, but it will let's just put it this way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If Democrats don't win and you know this, you and I've talked about this at Nozzin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If they don't win Pennsylvania again, they're boxed out of power permanently, at least when it comes to the White House.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you were the man and you deserve all the accolades that you get, because I know how hard you worked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you know, one of the things that has blown me away,
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[SPEAKER_02]: over the last several days now is is just the extraordinary impact that Charlie made in this nation in just such a short period of time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It never hit me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that I just, you know, the vast empire he created was enormous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to have a vice president accompany your casket on the Air Force 2.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the the the the flag being flown at half-staff anywhere outside of L.A.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that freak.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So sorry, I just so can you talk a little bit about that Charlie was he wasn't just sitting behind a microphone pontificating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was literally building a nationwide conservative infrastructure for Republican dominance for literally the next century.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you can you talk about that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here's how I describe the life and the tactics of Charlie Kirk, pretty much what Charlie would do is find any way that you could reach voters, any way that you could influence Americans to either take action or to change their mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any of the tactics, any of the systems, any of the processes Charlie would analyze them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and say, how do we become the best in the world at this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's stuff that the left was doing, whether it's stuff that kind of the more establishment on the right was doing, but he would take that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he would try to figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a problem solver, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the thing I always liked about him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we would talk Pennsylvania, he'd always want to talk to three congressional targets that we had, he always wanted to talk about, you know, where are the mail-in-bout requests, where are the mail-in-bout returns?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was metric driven, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to see the results, not just he app about them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it was a former math teacher and a guy who loves looking at the metrics and the analytics, that's what we got along so well because it wasn't just all this goblin group that you hear from both people on the right and the left that want to talk, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to take action.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's how he gets to be the guy who's running a hundred million dollar a year organization, meaning he can fundraise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's running a five day, a week, multiple hours show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: on current events, breaking news every single day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got one of the biggest influencers and just the ability to get clicks and eyeballs, not just through him, but all of the turning point influencers and the invest programs and all of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he's also running the largest high school and college ground game both on the right and left and probably all combined
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[SPEAKER_01]: for real events.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, hey, himself is doing these campus tours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He himself is putting together events with 10, 15, 20,000 people at America Fest last year in Arizona after the election.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is not somebody you replace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you'll have to do that, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's something that we all know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when people ask me, who's the next Charlie Kirk?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not who's the next Charlie Kirk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's how do we assemble a team of people or different folks that really can make sure his legacy is preserved.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And more important than his legacy is that we do the work, that the results of what he wanted his vision become true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, Erica Kirk, her speech knocked me out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: one of the best of the 21st century period.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I look at that speech and I say to myself, man, you know, I had to take a step back because I said, man, I second guess certain things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I have 50 of my investors reaching out saying you better have security, that's a weird, weird conversation to have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, talking to these different people about how can we continue Charlie's work?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What can we do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then men, Erica gets up there and just triples down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and talk about a message, talk about a vision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Erika to me is the new face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to figure out how to build around her to continue Charlottes legacy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think I would never, ever, ever say that there's a silver lining or a wish for harm to one of my friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the one thing we can take from this is I truly believe turning point will be stronger, be more robust because of this horrific tragedy and heinous act from some radical loan attack.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the beauty of Charlie's Christian faith, you know, the most ugly, horrific, torturous symbol of execution and horror, the cross can transfigure into a tree of life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: into a symbol of hope, and the eternal blessedness, and that it's, yeah, it's how does God take this absolute horror and turn it into something beyond our wildest imaginations for His glory, you know, it's just it's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, speaking, I mean, many, many are focusing just on the impact that Charlie made on on young people in particular, of course, Gen Z. And particularly Gen Z men who have swung 44 points to the right since 2020.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, when I'm so.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so blown away by is how holistic his thinking was, how forward thinking he wasn't thinking in the now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His sense of future wasn't 2026.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, we have to be concerned about 2026.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he seemed to be just as concerned about 2056 as he was 2026.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just he's he's he's he
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[SPEAKER_02]: the future and he completely overturned the silly academic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: notion that was really popular like back in 2018, 2019 that that it's called the cultural backlash thesis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you and I have even talked about it that argued that Trump was just the last gas of a dying old white male generation that will eventually inevitably be replaced by an Obama inspired woke progressivism that dominates Gen Z. Charlie dis, I mean, he demolished that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think demolishes the right word.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think Charlie or right, he's looking forward, you know, obviously decades.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even just, you know, is simple as saying, look, when a lot of people on the right said, hey, we don't want to touch vote by mail.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we want to vote on election day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the most secure way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I've said this when you're show before I hate mail imbalance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I might be a mail-in-bell at guy, but that's just because I'm playing by the current rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for the first people to really tell me, listen, Cliff, we can hate the rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: give up on an election because I don't like the rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to play with other rules to the best benefit of our candidates winning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And whenever the rules change, we look at our tactics and we adjust as we need to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Charlie's impact on young people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was not a believer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say 10 years ago in the idea that, you know, we were going to win this battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and Charlie was and I give him a lot of credit because he amount of resources he had to raise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The amount of work that he had to do to go up against though, bow hemif.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that is higher ed in America, the indoctrination central camp if you will of just turning out people that think that, you know, free speech is hate speech and then everybody on the right is misogynistic, racist, homophobic, I mean, that is not the fascist, you name it and so I give Charlie so much credit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like you said, 40 point swing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Gen Z males, you know, double digits swing of Gen Z across the board.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, 18 to 30 roads, the amount of day shift just from 2020 to 2024.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think people understand the ramifications of what Charlie has done, not just now for 2024 or 2025 or 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that what he has really done
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to say this here on your show is I think he has exposed so many people to the idea that real Americans want somebody that's authentic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They can have real conversations 20 24 prove that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and vans doing the long-form podcast, the real conversations and the left did nothing, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Charly reaffirm that by going out, who on the left do you know right now that is out on college campuses?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come prove me wrong, we'll have an open debate and open dialogue in open conversation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a nominal point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's a phenomenal point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I feel like Charlie really cemented this idea that because of social media, because of alternative media, because of shows like this, that regular people are craving something real.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that the prove me wrong showed that when you have thousands of people showing up because they want raw interaction, they're so tired of the scripted, the corporate mainstream legacy media bogus, everyone's tired of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that if all goes as planned, this will be a turning point from 2024 authenticity with the election, 2025 authenticity with real conversations, I don't think we're gonna look back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the people are gonna continue to demand this and Charlie Kirk, it's a lot of credit for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you could even push that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love how you brought that up because, because you know, he was going in a hostile environment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the most hostile environment all the study showed the the faculties of university like 98% liberal I mean they've just they basically purged universities of any conservative boys so it'd be something akin to a uh uh uh uh some a well red state for lack of better term left is going to I don't know what would they they'd be going to hunting shows or why you fc arenas or you know um
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[SPEAKER_02]: or NASCAR or something, wherever conservatives gather in mass and then having one of these prove me wrongs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't go there because they'd just be sitting there insulting the audience the entire time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because of course, how can you argue if your whole frames of reference are molded around the notion that anyone who descends or disagrees is evil?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Charlie just didn't believe that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was willing to say, no, if we disagree, let's find this point of disagreement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I've got a better argument.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you've been cheated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think progressive realism has been in, has been forced on you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I provide some light for an alternative way of understanding the world that I think you're going to find true good and beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and look, I mean, any of these people that don't think that you can blame the left for what this guy did, sure, maybe there's not one person you can blame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody, maybe nobody that's prominent called him and said, hey, take out Charlie Kirk, but they have to at a certain point understand the rhetoric.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if rhetoric, which when you read these text messages, you know, between the shooter and between his gay lover who's, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: The range that thinks he's becoming a woman, that ABC News found to be like hallmark card.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very tough to watch some of these reporters, you know, un-un-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-blum-
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[SPEAKER_01]: they believe the BS that is being spewed to them by their leaders, that if someone is fill of hate, it is justified to take them out with violence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hate is words.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't you don't have to agree with the person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to go out and praise them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for us to be at a point in America where you think you can justify violence and murder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: we need, I don't want to use a word tone it down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to fix and correct the use actual labels that are truthful that have demonizing people and then when somebody kills the person you demonize, you say, oh, why wasn't calling for violence?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you were fix your labels and speak truth and these things won't happen when you convince people that are deranged in the head, they then take action thinking that there's some hero.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I mean, the technical term, it's been floated around quite a bit, because it is stochastic terrorism and see the idea that the elites use a very particular dehumanizing language for a group of people so as to literally inspire some lone crazed wolf.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to take the action that they could say, I never called for any violence and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the bottom line with stochastic terrorism is Charlie wasn't killed because he was a Nazi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was called a Nazi, so he would be killed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the nefarious, malicious, malevolent forces I think we're dealing with with progressive realism today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fortunately, it just sounds, I don't know if you caught Jaydee's filling in for Charlie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it on Monday?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got your time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit blurry here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: When he gave one of the best monologues of, you know, there is no peace.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is no unity with, with a group of people that basically won us all dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I did the show about 30 minutes after he wrapped.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a little bit there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I should have kept watching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was on with post, so, you know, chair and chair and stories, but yeah, I did get a chance to watch it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And look, here's the one thing that I will say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are two major things I think come of this incident in this tragedy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Number one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of Americans now realize we're in a spiritual battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't come on your shows to even talk about my Christian faith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably should more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The amount of people that I know to not be religious or to be non-practicing Christians or non-practicing Catholics that now had a kind of a re-awakening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, myself included, you know, I'm not a perfect man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got my own issues as a Christian, but when Charlie is imperfect as he would say he was,
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[SPEAKER_01]: as strong a Christian as he was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that too many people see somebody who is speaking at an event where they said comic change words.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and let's figure out who has the better set of ideas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for that to be such a threat that they killed him, I think this is going to be a reawakening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're seeing it with the visuals across the country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're seeing it with the social media posts from different, not necessarily people on the right, but just normal folks who are saying, I'm turning back to the church.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm turning back to Jesus Christ as my Lord in Savior.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the first very powerful thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the most important development.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that has come from this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The second is a dark, dark, dark reality, and that is seeing the reaction from some of these radicals online.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And seeing how deranged they are, there are people I knew from high school, from college, people that know that I am close with Charlie and from then to post certain things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I saw too in my life, yep, justifying it and praising and saying, you know, oh, well, if you support the second amendment, you
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you right now Steve, this plays into the first one of the spiritual battle, but the amount that they are radicalizing normal people that see that and say well,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You believe that about exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you want your old kid who is shot and murdered?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is going to backfire on them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It will play into the spiritual battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was tough for me to see all that and realize that there are so many people out there that actually believe they buy in to some of the nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to harm them politically over the next 5, 10, 15 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't I couldn't agree with you more and and I it's fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the way you brought that up because I think it was I can't remember who I was watching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Jesse Waters is from just last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was talking about how Charlie had brought together the spiritual and the political where he believed that converting people to political conservatism was a bridge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to faith in spirituality, in other words, if he could win Gen Z to faith family in freedom, that's inherent in conservatism, he could win them ultimately to Christianity and renewed Christian commitments.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The reason why that impacted me when I heard that last night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so much, it's because that's exactly what happened to me, Cliff, that's literally my testimony.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My early 20s in college, I started listening to Rush.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, not the band, because I did go to a music conservatory, but I was in a rush limbo and I got totally converted to political conservatism, but the more I read, the more I realized that it was rooted in principles that were eternal and transcendent values of truth, goodness, and beauty that themselves were revealed in and through the Christian faith.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I committed my life to Christ as a result of being converted to conservatism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're just, we seem, you're, you're so right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We seem to be getting, we're getting it in our Insiders Club.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And our private, that we have, I'm getting people, I just bought a buy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last Monday night in our Q&A, the private Q&A, some of our members that I just bought a buyable for the first time, which book should I read first?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's absolutely happening, and it's absolutely glorious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I think it's beyond anything Charlie could have ever imagined.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you're a busy man, and I want to respect your schedule.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got some stuff going on, Cliff.
24:28
[SPEAKER_02]: You always got stuff going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're always on the plane somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You are changing the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what can we do, um, I know Charlie would be very upset if I did not highlight your latest efforts at winning elections.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what do what do you got going on that we can help you out with?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so look, one of the things after the powerhouse of the time we had in 2024 with the PHAs is we realize that the Democrats never leave the state.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, January of this year, they were back with 105 full-time people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They flipped the state Senate seat in a special election, and that was kind of a wake-up call.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, if we're looking at JD Vance in 2028 and working our way backwards,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've announced that the PHA is going to do this permanently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be here every single year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to 500,000 doors this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do 750,000 next year for the midterm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you look at 2028, we're pledging to do a million doors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, here's the hard parts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Steve, a lot of people in 24 come on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're looking at the camera and say, you guys need the sponsor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's $175 a day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do it at PHAs.com.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In 2024, it was easy to understand it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, pitch to everybody in Turley Nation right now is the most important thing we can do is keep the infrastructure in 2025.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have 118 people on the ground in Pennsylvania right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've been there since August 4th.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We will be there through November 4th hitting tons of different races up and down the balance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter what the races are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What matters is we are in target congressional races
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[SPEAKER_01]: in 26 because we're developing habit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting these low-prepensity voters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, these are not you, me or any of the listeners that are going to vote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are people that are registered Republican, their patriots, but they're unlikely to vote.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And more we get them in the habit of requesting a mail and ballot, sending that ballot back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That habit gets developed and all of a sudden, we add two to 3,000 people in each of these congressional districts that are now likely voters,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We flip those seats or we hold those seats.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my big ask to everybody is PHAs.com you can chip in 175 dollars that sponsors somebody for a full day to chase ballots right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to have to send them home right now in Pennsylvania.
26:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And Steve, I want to end with one quick story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was doing the show with Jack this week, you know, he mentioned something pretty crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted election night when we called PA, then when Charlie had his moment of smiling and sitting in his chair and he starts to cry, and I'm doing the voice over to tell Charlie, remember this moment, remember where you were when we pushed back against his establishment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember where you were and Erica comes in and gives him this huge hug.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course I remember that as one of the most beautiful moments in my life, I've seen the video a million times, but Jack brought it up to me that the speech that she gave was from that exact same spot from where Charlie said, it's all God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And once again, my Christian faith
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[SPEAKER_01]: lit up by thinking about that being from that same spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tirling Nation made that happen when it came to winning in Pennsylvania.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tirling Nation's one of the reasons why we said it's all God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because all of us came together for a better cause, a greater cause.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just want to thank Charlie and I really appreciate you give me the chance to talk about him, Steve, and to continue to talk to your entire audience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got this nation back because of the people on this show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: we will come back stronger and never in a Charlie rest in peace.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Amen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Amen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Four Charlie has posted loads to that refrain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, Charlie was a national treasure and you are a national treasure cliff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone I want you to click on the link below and support cliff in his latest projects in Pennsylvania.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Pennsylvania Chase and get that permanent infrastructure in place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You saw effective.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were to deliver the Keystone State for President
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[SPEAKER_02]: The voter registration drives continued just crush it, particularly all throughout Pennsylvania.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going red.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a met with guys like Cliff behind it and Scott and all those.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a matter of if it goes red.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's only a matter of when and Cliff is on the forefront.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The front lines of making that happen to make sure you're supporting Cliff and giving everything he needs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we can realize this extraordinary dream of Charlie's beyond anything he could have ever imagined.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Love you, Cliff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for being with us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Jack.
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[SPEAKER_02]: See you.