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Torture-Killer Christa Pike: Death Chamber 2.0? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Tonight, female torture killer Krista
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  Speaker 1: Pike's death chamber 2.0. This as demands across the country
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  Speaker 1: to bring back old Sparky, the electric chair. Good evening.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: She has completed the stages of the protocol. She is
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  Speaker 2: still alive and breathing and needs immediate life-saving care.
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  Speaker 1: We've been carrying out an execution tonight. We've administered 10
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  Speaker 1: grams of pentobarbital. The person is not yet deceased.
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  Speaker 3: Pentobarbital is actually one of the drugs that is used
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  Speaker 3: in a medically induced coma.
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  Speaker 4: And one of the things she said about Colleen Schlemmer
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  Speaker 4: was that she was angry at her because Colleen was
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  Speaker 4: still talking.
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  Speaker 1: That's when she took the box cutter. She slashed her throat.
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  Speaker 2: They are supposed to be carrying out an execution tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The female has not passed away. She's unconscious, not breathing
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  Speaker 2: normally in the execution chamber.
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  Speaker 5: So they're carrying out execution tonight and subject has not
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  Speaker 5: passed away. Started an hour ago, not breathing normally, unconscious
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  Speaker 5: and will be in the executioner's chamber. And then says
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  Speaker 5: on callback, they did carry out an execution and no
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  Speaker 5: code was given.
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  Speaker 4: On Monday night, it was our understanding that Krista was
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  Speaker 4: brain dead and that life support would be.
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  Speaker 1: Removed the next day.
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  Speaker 4: But on Tuesday, to the shock of everyone, including me,
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  Speaker 4: including her team, and including the medical team, Krista woke
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  Speaker 4: up and began talking.
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  Speaker 1: That's from our friends at WBIR. Tonight we're hearing a
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  Speaker 1: lot about Krista Pike's botched death penalty as she faces
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  Speaker 1: death chamber 2.0. Do you really think the governor is
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  Speaker 1: going to say, okay, yeah, we screwed up, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to commute the death penalty? Is that really going
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  Speaker 1: to happen? Well, let's hear it from the horse's mouth.
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  Speaker 6: What is she doing?
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  Speaker 7: Screaming and screaming and screaming. I just kept hitting her
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  Speaker 7: and hitting her and hitting her. I was just looking
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  Speaker 7: at her and watching her bleed. She rolled up her head.
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  Speaker 7: So she got up, tried to run again, and I
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  Speaker 7: cut her back.
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  Speaker 8: The big, long cut on her back.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to hear you talking to me.
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  Speaker 9: You know, it's harder to hurt somebody when they're talking
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  Speaker 9: to you, and you have to see who the person is.
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  Speaker 9: I was offered a plea deal.
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  Speaker 7: My attorney told me, Krista, they're offering you life without parole.
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  Speaker 10: But if you go to trial, this is the worst
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  Speaker 10: thing they're going to give you.
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  Speaker 7: Because there's no way.
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  Speaker 11: A jury in Knoxville, Tennessee is going to put a
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  Speaker 11: pretty little white girl in the electric chair.
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  Speaker 1: From Criminally Obsessed. But guess what they did after they
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  Speaker 1: heard the horrific way that the victim, Colleen Lemmer, was murdered,
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  Speaker 1: the teen girl? They absolutely put a pretty girl in
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  Speaker 1: the death chamber. But now, because of a two-time botched DP...
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  Speaker 1: calls from across the country, including her home state, to
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  Speaker 1: bring back old Sparky, a.k.a. the electric chair. But guess what? Tonight,
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  Speaker 1: Krista Pike is having bad dreams.
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  Speaker 11: I have the most horrible nightmares. The only place they
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  Speaker 11: can draw my blood is in my hands with a
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  Speaker 11: very tiny needle. And I know from reading our protocol
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  Speaker 11: that they aren't allowed to put the IVs in my hand.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know what they're going to do.
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  Speaker 11: I'm so scared that what just happened to Tony Carruthers
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  Speaker 11: will happen to me.
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  Speaker 1: That's from YouTube's criminally obsessed to Justice Scott Morgan joining
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  Speaker 1: us tonight. Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University. He is
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  Speaker 1: a star of a hit podcast, Blood Beneath My Feet
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube. But for our purposes, he is a death
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  Speaker 1: investigator with over 10,000 death scenes under his belt. She's
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  Speaker 1: having nightmares about a needle being inserted into her arm
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  Speaker 1: or hand. Some, not me, some have suggested that she
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  Speaker 1: get hit over the head with an asphalt block.
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  Speaker 8: Why?
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  Speaker 7: Why?
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  Speaker 1: What does a chunk of asphalt have to do with
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  Speaker 1: this case, Joe Scott Morgan?
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  Speaker 3: Lex talionis, eye for an eye. That's what they're saying.
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  Speaker 3: So the attack that brought about Colleen's death, which was one,
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  Speaker 3: I'd say arguably, Nancy, one of the most brutal cases
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  Speaker 3: that I've certainly covered over the course of my career
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  Speaker 3: and had privy to, you know, to kind of get
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  Speaker 3: the inside skinny with, that's what was used to facilitate
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  Speaker 3: Colleen's death. And Let's keep in mind as well that
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  Speaker 3: one of the things that came out, one of the
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  Speaker 3: things that came out, one of the comments that she
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  Speaker 3: made during this act, this attack on Colleen, is that
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  Speaker 3: she wanted to see brains flow. In other words, by
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  Speaker 3: the crushing of Colleen's skull with this jagged piece of asphalt,
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  Speaker 3: she wanted to crack open her skull, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: she did because this is a massive fracture line that
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  Speaker 3: Colleen suffered. As a matter of fact, we've talked about
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  Speaker 3: this before. Remember, there's still a piece of Colleen's skull
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  Speaker 3: missing in this particular case. It's the piece that, of course,
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  Speaker 3: this person took and displayed at a lunchroom. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure that people are very upset about this.
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  Speaker 8: Excuse me.
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  Speaker 1: Correction. Objection. Factually inaccurate. She didn't just display it, Joe
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. I like the way you said that so clinically.
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  Speaker 1: She showed it to her friends and danced a little jig.
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  Speaker 1: She actually danced around with the victim's piece of skull
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  Speaker 1: in her hand. Is that what you're referring to as
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  Speaker 1: she displayed it? She danced around and did a cackling
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  Speaker 1: dance with it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And that is what has occurred here and
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  Speaker 3: that she celebrated this, Nancy. So, yeah, I can see.
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  Speaker 3: I can see why people would be in a twist
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  Speaker 3: over this. I can see why people would want to
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  Speaker 3: see the same trauma inflicted upon her that was inflicted
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  Speaker 3: upon Colleen. And it goes to the brutality of this
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  Speaker 3: particular case and what Colleen suffered through. Remember, this is
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  Speaker 3: not just a singular event where they walked up behind
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  Speaker 3: her with a chunk of asphalt and struck her on
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  Speaker 3: her head. This young woman, lady was tormented and tortured
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  Speaker 3: for an hour before this actually occurred.
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  Speaker 11: The media painted me as being an evil.
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  Speaker 2: Person, as being a devil worshiper.
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  Speaker 11: Kedaro was into Satanism and demonology.
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  Speaker 12: That's where that stems from.
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  Speaker 11: I was never into those things.
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  Speaker 1: Well, maybe I'm wrong. Keith Sharon is joining us, investigative
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  Speaker 1: reporter from the Tennessean He is the star of Murder
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  Speaker 1: on Music Row podcast, which is amazing. Keith Sharon, correct
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  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but weren't pentagrams cut into the
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  Speaker 1: teen girl victim's body?
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  Speaker 13: Into her chest, yes. There has been a grand debate
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  Speaker 13: all these years about who did the cutting. Krista has
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  Speaker 13: always contended that to Daryl, led that portion of the crime.
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  Speaker 13: But I'm not sure we'll ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Hold on just a moment. Franz Borgharts is joining me,
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  Speaker 1: following up on what investigative reporter Keith Sharon just said.
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  Speaker 1: Borgharts is a veteran trial lawyer, criminal defense attorney, founder
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  Speaker 1: of the Borgharts Law Firm there in Baton Rouge. Former
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  Speaker 1: prosecutor Franz, who cares? She stood by When Colleen tried
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  Speaker 1: to make a run for it, a teen girl, she
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  Speaker 1: went after her with a meat cleaver. Krista Pike went
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  Speaker 1: after a teen girl with a meat cleaver, put up
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  Speaker 1: board cards, and attacked her, hacked her from behind in
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  Speaker 1: the back with a meat cleaver. And now they're going,
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  Speaker 1: he did it, he did it, she did it, she
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  Speaker 1: did it. Who cares? They did it together. Whether she
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  Speaker 1: carved a pentagram into Colleen's back herself as a girl.
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  Speaker 1: They made her strip first to humiliate her and carved
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  Speaker 1: pentagrams onto her body, stabbed her, beat her in the
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  Speaker 1: head with a big chunk of asphalt so she could
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  Speaker 1: make brains flow. And now she had a bad dream
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  Speaker 1: about a needle in her arm.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Let's put her to death.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, what's the issue? Oh, wait, the issue is
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  Speaker 4: that the botched death penalty may give her a legal
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  Speaker 4: argument for life. Ain't that funny? Ain't that funny? That
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  Speaker 4: this horrible human being that was given a life offer
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  Speaker 4: because the state cannot do the one thing it was
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  Speaker 4: supposed to do right, she may get an argument for life.
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  Speaker 4: And you know what the odd, sad, tragic thing is?
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  Speaker 4: As much as we may all want to kill this woman,
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  Speaker 4: we are people that follow the law. And what the
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  Speaker 4: law seems to indicate, Nancy, is you get to put
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  Speaker 4: her to death.
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  Speaker 1: But you don't get to torture her.
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  Speaker 4: You don't get to do cruel and unusual punishment.
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  Speaker 1: And if you do that.
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  Speaker 4: Such that she no longer can understand what you're trying
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  Speaker 4: to do, she might get a life sentence.
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  Speaker 1: Did you get it out of your system?
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  Speaker 4: No, I got more, but I can wait.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure. But guess what?
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  Speaker 2: So do I.
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  Speaker 1: Because under our Constitution, the death penalty is not deemed
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  Speaker 1: cruel and unusual. The fact that there were two botched
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  Speaker 1: DPs by lethal injection is unusual, but no one intended
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  Speaker 1: cruelty on her. In fact, she has been pampered behind
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  Speaker 1: bars leading up to the death penalty. No one is
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  Speaker 1: approaching the diagnostic center where she is with pitchforks and
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  Speaker 1: torches and guns and knives. No, no one wants cruel
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  Speaker 1: and unusual punishment. And I find it interesting that every
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  Speaker 1: time this is discussed, the discussion on your part devolves
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  Speaker 1: making law enforcement look like bloodthirsty animals. Because that's all
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  Speaker 1: you've got.
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  Speaker 2: You want to kill her?
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  Speaker 1: That's not mince words. You want to kill her. That's
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  Speaker 1: not what we're talking about. You want to kill her.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not mince words.
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  Speaker 1: You're salivating.
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  Speaker 4: You want to put her to death. The problem is
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  Speaker 4: the state botched it, and it's.
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  Speaker 13: Not a fairy tale.
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  Speaker 4: That's the best part of this, Nancy Grace. It's not
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  Speaker 4: a fairy tale that they possibly could botch it. They
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  Speaker 4: did botch it. How does that happen in 2026? How
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  Speaker 4: does that happen?
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  Speaker 9: I'll wait.
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  Speaker 1: Will you really? Okay, I knew you didn't have it
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  Speaker 1: out of your system. I'm not salivating. I'm having a
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  Speaker 1: cup of hot tea with skim in it. That's what's
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  Speaker 1: happening on this end as you go cray. That said,
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  Speaker 1: listen to this.
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  Speaker 4: What did she do?
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  Speaker 7: Screamed and screamed and screamed.
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  Speaker 10: I just kept hitting.
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  Speaker 8: Her and hitting her and hitting her.
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  Speaker 7: I was just looking at her and watching her bleed.
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  Speaker 7: She rolled up her head. So she got up, tried
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  Speaker 7: to run again, and I cut her in the back.
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  Speaker 7: The big, long cut on her back.
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  Speaker 9: I don't want to hear you talking to me. You know,
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  Speaker 9: it's harder to hurt somebody when they're talking to you,
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  Speaker 9: and you have to see where the person is.
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  Speaker 7: And I said, shut up. What the hell is wrong
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  Speaker 7: with me? What's wrong with her? What's wrong with everybody?
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  Speaker 10: And I stood with a box cutter in my hand,
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  Speaker 10: and I cut her across the throat with it.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Borgharts, and I quote, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to hear you talking to me. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's harder to hurt somebody when they're talking to you
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  Speaker 1: and you see them as a person, so I tell
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  Speaker 1: her to shut up. I was just looking at her
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  Speaker 1: and watching her bleed, and she rolled over and she
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  Speaker 1: got up and tried to run, and I cut her back,
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  Speaker 1: a big, long cut on her back. She just screamed
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  Speaker 1: and screamed and screamed, and I just kept hitting her
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  Speaker 1: and hitting her and hitting her in the head with
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  Speaker 1: an asphalt chunk until I see brains flow. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: if anyone is, quote, bloodthirsty, it's not us. I want
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  Speaker 1: to see the law carried out to the letter of
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  Speaker 1: the law. I'm not happy about what Krista Pike endured.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not happy. about what Colleen Slimmer endured. So let's
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  Speaker 1: just get right down to it. Phil Keith is joining us,
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  Speaker 1: former chief of police, Knoxville PD. He was the chief
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  Speaker 1: of police when Krista Pike savagely murdered a teen girl.
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  Speaker 1: You and I both are giving the state of Tennessee
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  Speaker 1: H-E-L-L for the botched execution. That is cruelty. That does
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  Speaker 1: not a moratorium on the death penalty, or a commutation
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  Speaker 1: for Krista Pike make. What is your recollection of what
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  Speaker 1: happened to Colleen, Chief?
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  Speaker 14: Well, the morning I arrived, she had been discovered by
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  Speaker 14: a University of Tennessee maintenance worker probably 10 minutes after
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  Speaker 14: the discovery of the body. When I approached the crime scene,
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  Speaker 14: I could see a body laying there, and the first
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  Speaker 14: thing I noticed was the head area. It was bashed
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  Speaker 14: so severely that you really couldn't make out any facial characteristics,
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  Speaker 14: so to speak. But, you know, she was clearly had
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  Speaker 14: been beaten, stabbed numerous times. I could see Colleen's throat
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  Speaker 14: where she had numerous lacerations and one very deep. long laceration,
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  Speaker 14: probably six or seven inches. And there were so many
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  Speaker 14: stab wounds. A medical examiner even cited in her report
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  Speaker 14: that there were so many wounds, she stopped counting them.
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  Speaker 14: She'd have to start the alphabet over again. So that
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  Speaker 14: tells us there's at least 26 stab wounds. But it
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  Speaker 14: just goes to the brutality of the whole event, how
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  Speaker 14: Pike engineered and orchestrated the entire attack, the luring. She
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  Speaker 14: played everybody out to get Colleen out. And her sole purpose,
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  Speaker 14: as she stated to a fellow student the day before,
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  Speaker 14: was she was going to kill Colleen because she wanted
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  Speaker 14: to be mean. She even showed up the day after
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  Speaker 14: on the 13th in front of a university officer who
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  Speaker 14: was at the crime scene. asking questions about it, giggling, laughing, um,
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  Speaker 14: wanting to know if there were any suspects, they knew
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  Speaker 14: who it was and that sort of thing. So, um,
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  Speaker 14: I mean, the, the brutality of it, uh, is one
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  Speaker 14: of the worst crime scenes I've ever seen, if not
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  Speaker 14: the worst. Uh, I think it brings back a lot
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  Speaker 14: of flashback kind of nightmares because I have, I had
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  Speaker 14: at the time, I had two daughters and two nieces
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  Speaker 14: at the university of Tennessee about the same age. So, um,
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  Speaker 14: It was just horrific. So much blood, so much damage
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  Speaker 14: to the body and such, you know, ruthless conduct. Not
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  Speaker 14: just Pike, but ship as well.
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  Speaker 1: It's easy to forget what happened to Colleen, but here's
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  Speaker 1: somebody that's not forgetting.
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  Speaker 3: Why is it necessary for you to be there?
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  Speaker 8: Because she killed my daughter and I don't want to
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  Speaker 8: see another child or another person hurt like she did.
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  Speaker 6: It's hard.
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  Speaker 11: I broke down in tears.
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  Speaker 8: She was laying on the table, talking, still laughing, picking
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  Speaker 8: up her head.
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  Speaker 1: Has anyone apologized to you for this?
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  Speaker 12: No, sir.
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  Speaker 9: Nobody apologized.
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  Speaker 8: Here we are, 31 years, and you're laughing in my
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  Speaker 8: face again. And that's what I feel like they did.
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  Speaker 8: I want to think about Colleen being there and saying,
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  Speaker 8: thank you, Mom, on her voice. The criminals get so
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  Speaker 8: much attention Why? She has been lost in this. And
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  Speaker 8: they lost a piece of her skull that we still
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  Speaker 8: can't find. She's been forgotten, other than when she was
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  Speaker 8: brought up like this.
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  Speaker 6: She went in there thinking that justice was going to
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  Speaker 6: get shoved. And of course, Krista Pike didn't make it,
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  Speaker 6: didn't die. You had 31 years to do this. We
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  Speaker 6: had 31 years to make sure you guys got everything
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  Speaker 6: in order for this day to happen, and for that
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  Speaker 6: to stop an hour before, it's just a slap in
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  Speaker 6: the face. Think of her and not Krista Pike, because
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  Speaker 6: at the end of the day, it's justice for Colleen
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  Speaker 6: and not justice for Krista.
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  Speaker 1: First Coast News, WHAS and WVLT. To Dr. Sherry Schwartz
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  Speaker 1: joining us, forensic psychologist and author of Criminal Behavior, and
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  Speaker 1: where law and psychology intersect.
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  Speaker 13: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Sherry, we never hear anything about Colleen, and I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: to what's happening right now. Guess what? Another delay. But
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  Speaker 1: that said, there are calls across the country to bring
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  Speaker 1: back the electric chair, which I believe Keith Sharon is
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  Speaker 1: going to explain to us how that is possible in
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  Speaker 1: this case. But Dr. Sherry Schwartz, what happens to the
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  Speaker 1: victim in this scenario? Am I supposed to be worried
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  Speaker 1: about Krista Pott having a bad dream?
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  Speaker 15: Exactly, Nancy. And this is happening across the country in
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  Speaker 15: every single death penalty case. I work on a lot
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  Speaker 15: of death penalty cases and the victims just sort of
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  Speaker 15: get forgotten. They're called the victim and not by their name.
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  Speaker 15: There isn't evidence presented. except at maybe a death penalty
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  Speaker 15: sentencing if the case goes that far about the victim.
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  Speaker 15: But it's a few minutes, the family gets to come
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  Speaker 15: up and read statements and sit back down and that's
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  Speaker 15: the end of it. And then 30 years on, all
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  Speaker 15: that's talked about is this defendant who committed this brutal
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  Speaker 15: crime who's about to go be executed by the state
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  Speaker 15: for their crimes. And everyone now has empathy and feels
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  Speaker 15: sorry because they're not the same person that they used
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  Speaker 15: to be. This is the argument that we hear over
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  Speaker 15: and over. And this situation is especially horrifying for Colleen
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  Speaker 15: Slemmer's family, because now Krista Pike really is somebody that
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  Speaker 15: the death penalty community will rally around and say, oh,
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  Speaker 15: we feel so sorry for her. She should be shown mercy.
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  Speaker 1: And contrary to what Franz Borghardt out of Baton Rouge
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  Speaker 1: is arguing tonight, that we're all a gang of bloodthirsty beasts,
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  Speaker 1: that is not true. I do not wish suffering or
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  Speaker 1: pain on anyone, anyone at all, much less at the
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  Speaker 1: hands of the state, who must remain above reproach. No
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: one is happy about this turn of events.
• 21:05
  Speaker 16: I'm highly disappointed, along with Tennesseans, about what happened. Therefore,
• 21:11
  Speaker 16: the last scheduled execution for this year will not take place.
• 21:15
  Speaker 16: Tennesseans deserve a justice system that's fair, that's consistent, that
• 21:22
  Speaker 16: is faithfully administered. This is a tragedy. There is no
• 21:29
  Speaker 16: one that wanted what happened last night to happen. It
• 21:38
  Speaker 16: shouldn't have happened.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: That said, what are we going to do about it now?
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: That's from WVLT. Straight back out to Keith Sharon, investigative
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: reporter with The Tennessean and the star of Murder on
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Music Row podcast. Keith, again, thank you for being with
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: us tonight. What now? I understand Pike's lawyers now want
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: a continuance. They want a, quote, further notice to prepare
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: their argument. And we all know what's coming. They want
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: a commutation, which is from the governor, which commutes her
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: from the death penalty. They want a sentence of life
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: behind bars. And they're suing everybody and their little sister.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Am I missing anything, Keith?
• 22:21
  Speaker 13: There's a little bit of context. She argued for alternatives.
• 22:26
  Speaker 13: I sat through a week-long hearing in Knoxville in August
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: in which Krista Pyke, And her attorneys argued that her
• 22:35
  Speaker 13: veins were too small, that she had thrombocytosis that was
• 22:39
  Speaker 13: going to make this a complicated execution if they did
• 22:43
  Speaker 13: it through her arm or through her hand. So she
• 22:47
  Speaker 13: argued for a central line to be inserted into a
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: jugular vein. And the court dismissed that argument. And then
• 22:57
  Speaker 13: she argued in favor of hanging. However, we haven't hung
• 22:59
  Speaker 13: a person in Tennessee in 100 years. So as a
• 23:05
  Speaker 13: person who's covered this for months now, I really don't
• 23:09
  Speaker 13: know what they're going to do next other than argue.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Is the electric chair a legal and potential option for
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Krista Pike? The state's position is that it is. The
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: electric chair can be used. because it was in place
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: at the time of Colleen's murder. So is that a possibility?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I believe that's why we're hearing a resurgence of arguments
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: regarding reinstating the electric chair, a.k.a. Old Sparky. What about it, Keith?
• 23:46
  Speaker 13: The last time we electrocuted someone was 2020, and I
• 23:50
  Speaker 13: don't know the impetus for why they went to a
• 23:53
  Speaker 13: different protocol, but these protocols now include... lethal injection. And
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: Tennessee has botched the last two. Tony Carruthers in May,
• 24:04
  Speaker 13: they couldn't find a vein and he got a one-year reprieve.
• 24:09
  Speaker 13: So Nancy sitting here this morning, I don't know. It
• 24:15
  Speaker 13: seems like they have to have all kinds of studies.
• 24:18
  Speaker 13: They have to have people overseeing. Do they have a
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: death panel in place for electric chair now six years later?
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: I'm not sure.
• 24:29
  Speaker 17: What they want to do is to be certain that
• 24:33
  Speaker 17: these executions are going to be carried out and that
• 24:37
  Speaker 17: they're going to be done successfully and that you're going
• 24:41
  Speaker 17: to bring an end.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: To these failed executions.
• 24:46
  Speaker 17: So looking at the electric chair, looking at what other
• 24:50
  Speaker 17: states are doing with lethal injection.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Tennesseans support the death penalty.
• 24:56
  Speaker 18: And when a heinous killer receives the death penalty, Tennesseans
• 25:04
  Speaker 18: want to see it carried out successfully after all the
• 25:09
  Speaker 18: appeals are exhausted.
• 25:12
  Speaker 17: They do not want people to spend decades on death row, and.
• 25:19
  Speaker 18: They want the victim's family.
• 25:20
  Speaker 17: To be able to get closure.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: From WZTV, WSMV, politicians, including those in Tennessee, calling to
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: bring back the electric chair. Dave Mack, is it even
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: legally possible? Tonight, we understand Krista Pike is one inch
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: closer to old Sparky.
• 25:41
  Speaker 12: Well, Nancy, it is possible a few changes have to
• 25:45
  Speaker 12: be made. But, you know, we've talked about the death
• 25:47
  Speaker 12: penalty in Tennessee. They've got multiple options here. And if
• 25:51
  Speaker 12: not using lethal injection, well, then breaking out old Sparky
• 25:56
  Speaker 12: might be the next best option, Nancy, and appears the
• 25:59
  Speaker 12: way it might go.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Specifically, Dave Mack, the state of Tennessee can utilize the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: electric chair under three specific legal reasonings. One, She was
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: sentenced before 1999, as I stated earlier, when the electric
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: chair was still in use. That's an inmate choice. Okay,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: number two, unavailability of lethal injection drugs. And there are
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: judicial rulings. If a court declares the needle unconstitutional, the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: state is legally permitted to use Sparky as a default mechanism.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: So I still don't understand how it went so horribly
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: wrong with Krista Pike. But we know that her defense
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: team has asked for more time to prepare their arguments.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: And they're getting it. Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Who is she suing? She and her legal team. A
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: whole host of people.
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's more than just one, Nancy. Right now, the
• 26:59
  Speaker 12: Pike legal team is considering suing the ambulance drivers and
• 27:04
  Speaker 12: the company. They're also trying to think up ways of
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: suing other potential targets like the Tennessee Department of Corrections
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: for alleged negligence, protocol errors, or civil rights violations surrounding
• 27:16
  Speaker 12: her failed execution and the subsequent emergency response. They're looking
• 27:21
  Speaker 12: at possibly suing the state And facility personnel, individual staff
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: members or officials involved in the execution procedures and the
• 27:31
  Speaker 12: nearly 50-minute delay in dispatching emergency medical services. So these
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: are just a few of the ones they're considering suing
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: right now, Nancy.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Franz Borchardt is joining us, veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: out of Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: Franz. Franz.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: What they're going to argue, one of the many things
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: they're going to argue, including what you originally said, cruel
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and unusual punishment because of the botched executions, two of them,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: they're going to argue that she was in a coma
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and that she was permanently brain damaged. And you cannot,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: under our jurisprudence, put someone to death that doesn't understand
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: because of brain damage or any other reason what's happening
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: to them or why.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Well, let's cut through it all. This is not about money.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: These civil suits, the discussion about the civil suits are
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: not about money. They're defense tactics. As you know, they're
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: defense tactics to try to keep her alive. All of this,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: their mandate, their due process obligation is to try to
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: keep this horrible human being alive. And that is what
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: these civil cases are about. You know, If they are
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: able to establish that she is mentally brain damaged at
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: this point, then the constitutional law seems to indicate you
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: can't put her to death. And that is why this botched,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: why or how it happened, put that to the side.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: If it in fact caused that brain damage, the constitutional
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: law is clear, and that may be her pathway to
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: getting out of the death penalty.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, you hear Franz Borghardt arguing that she must be
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: brain damaged and is not going to get the death
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: penalty because of that. Dave Mack, could you enlighten Franz
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Borghardt with Krista Pike's very first text after she wakes up?
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Sleeping Beauty wakes up. She grabs a phone and starts texting.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: What did she say?
• 29:36
  Speaker 12: I'm back in prison. I love you.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I'm at the prison. Love you. so much exclamation I'm
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: at the prison complete with an apostrophe I'm at the
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: prison love you so much exclamation okay dr. Sherry Schwartz
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: help me out if you have suffered brain damage if
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: You know, the minute you open your eyes, you grab
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a phone and start texting, complete with perfect punctuation. Help
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: me out, doctor.
• 30:08
  Speaker 15: Well, that certainly doesn't help Krista's, you know, goal of
• 30:14
  Speaker 15: coming off of death row and not being executed. It
• 30:17
  Speaker 15: goes against the idea that she's incompetent to be executed.
• 30:21
  Speaker 15: And that would be the main thing here. I'm not
• 30:24
  Speaker 15: an attorney, so I leave the law to the lawyers.
• 30:26
  Speaker 15: But I know because I do a lot of this work.
• 30:29
  Speaker 15: And at the end of the day, brain damage isn't
• 30:31
  Speaker 15: going to get it. She's going to have to show
• 30:34
  Speaker 15: that she is incompetent to be executed. She could even
• 30:37
  Speaker 15: have forgotten every detail of the torture that she inflicted
• 30:41
  Speaker 15: on Colleen Slemmer. And she can still be executed if
• 30:45
  Speaker 15: she is deemed competent.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz, can I point out one other fact regarding
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: her immediate text? I'm in prison. Love you so much.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: It wasn't her phone. So she had to get somebody
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: else's phone, ask for it, because nobody said, hey, would
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: you like to start texting and calling? That didn't happen.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: She had to ask for somebody's phone and remember, since
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: it's not her phone, and remember that who it is
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: she wants to text, and their phone number.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And then text them. Think, think, thinking.
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: Dr.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz, she's not really confident.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: That is correct.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: That is correct.
• 31:24
  Speaker 15: It's going to be very, very difficult, an uphill battle.
• 31:28
  Speaker 15: You would think coming out of what had just happened
• 31:31
  Speaker 15: to her that she would be a little foggy at
• 31:33
  Speaker 15: that moment, and it doesn't seem that way. It really doesn't.
• 31:37
  Speaker 15: So this is going to hurt her case. And defendants,
• 31:41
  Speaker 15: when they can, will often hurt their own cases.
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: She likes to.
• 31:44
  Speaker 15: Talk, so I think the reporter should try to talk
• 31:46
  Speaker 15: to her. That'll help the competency issue.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Now I'm understanding she requested and was given her prison-sanctioned tablet.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: So she thought to ask, hey, give me my iPad.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I got to send a text. And then enters the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: person's name and her phone number. She is functioning normally,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: complete with apostrophes and exclamation marks.
• 32:13
  Speaker 9: Well, I will say.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: This to help out Franz Borghardt, not that he needs
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: my help. but there have been a lot of botched
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: executions with the electric chair, AKA old Sparky. Now the
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: one I recall, uh, it was in 1999. Do you
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: remember this? Joe Scott Morgan, Alan Lee Davis, AKA tiny.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: He weighed 344 pounds, but still he was tiny. He
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: had heavy bleeding, which went down his chest. And at
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: the time of the, uh, electric chair execution, and it
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: kicked off an intense national debate over Florida's electrocution methods.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that? Yes, I do.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I absolutely do. Well, what has happened,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: the reason the bleeding, you talk about this, because of
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: the current being run through his body, it causes this
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: huge buildup, this congestion in the head, the mouth, the airway,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: and so you begin to issue blood out of your
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: nose and your mouth. He's not an isolated incident. This
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: has happened before. It's been documented over a period of time.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: We've even had individuals that have caught on fire as
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: a result of it. You'll see these flame bursts that'll
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: take place relative to running the current through the body.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, this does happen. And it's, Nancy, it's
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: many times it's a crapshoot.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Before Franz Borchardt starts playing his violin, just refresh your recollection.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Alan Lee Davis, aka Tiny, murdered a pregnant mom and
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: her two daughters. Do you remember that part, Franz Borghardt?
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a monster. He deserves to die.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Just do it right. That's all the law requires.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: You can put monsters down like dogs if you do
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: it right. And I'm still waiting to find out how
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: it is that in 2026, today, how are we botching
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: death penalties? Like, Like how has that happened, Nancy?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree with you because instead
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: of this being over with, with your pro or con DP,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: we're still talking about Krista Pike. And now we're talking
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: about bringing back old Sparky. The whole reason we have
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the needle is because old Sparky, the electric chair seems barbaric.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: So we get the needle and that gets screwed up. Okay.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Others just, this is just out of Florida. Um, Dave Mack,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: John Spinkalink. John Spinkalink. Remember him? He required three jolts
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: to complete his execution. What was his crime?
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: He actually escaped from prison, Nancy, a California prison, and
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: had a traveling companion or hitchhiker. Not sure if they
• 35:19
  Speaker 12: knew one another beforehand, but they had a dispute in
• 35:23
  Speaker 12: the hotel room where Spinkalink beat and shot a man
• 35:27
  Speaker 12: that was traveling with him, Joseph Samankiewicz. He shot him
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: twice while he was asleep, and then he struck him
• 35:33
  Speaker 12: in the head over and over again. And I believe
• 35:37
  Speaker 12: they even offered him a chance to plea bargain it
• 35:41
  Speaker 12: down to second-degree murder, Nancy.
• 35:44
  Speaker 14: He didn't take it.
• 35:44
  Speaker 12: He went to trial, and he was convicted and sentenced
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: to death.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: And then, of course, there's Jesse Joseph Taffaro. He got
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: the electric chair. and that was in Florida again. He
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: was responsible for the deaths of two law enforcement officers.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Long history, rap sheet robbery, sodomy, rape, on and on
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: and on. In fact, he sex assaulted two women at
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the same time. Then another horrific incident, Pedro Medina, his
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: head caught on fire during the electric chair execution in Florida.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: What was his crime? To you, Dave Mack. Pedro Medina,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: his head caught on fire.
• 36:29
  Speaker 12: He actually stabbed his 52-year-old neighbor. This is a 52-year-old
• 36:35
  Speaker 12: former elementary school teacher and his neighbor. Her name was
• 36:39
  Speaker 12: Dorothy James, living.
• 36:41
  Speaker 14: In Orlando, Florida.
• 36:42
  Speaker 12: He beats her, he kills her, and stabs her to
• 36:46
  Speaker 12: death and then takes off in her car, a Cadillac,
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: and he is caught escaping in that vehicle, driving her
• 36:54
  Speaker 12: car with the knife with him at the time that
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: he was stopped at a rest stop.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Well, Keith Sharon, investigative reporter with the Tennessean, I do
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: not advocate the electric chair. And this is why I
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: think that it's extremely painful. It's got so many flaws
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: to it that those are just some of the instances
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: out of the state of Florida where it all went wrong.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: One guy's head catching on fire.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: No.
• 37:22
  Speaker 13: No.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: That's to me, it's not an alternative to me. That
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: is cruel and unusual. So what now, Keith, Sharon, what
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: are we waiting on? Are we waiting on the governor
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: to decide whether he's going to commute it? Are we
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: waiting on the Tennessee Supreme court to decide if there
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: can be another death penalty attempt on her? What's happening now?
• 37:51
  Speaker 13: Because I attended that, um, hearing in August, I can
• 37:55
  Speaker 13: tell you that the state tries to make all of
• 37:58
  Speaker 13: these cases as humane as possible. Like you, they are
• 38:02
  Speaker 13: against the electric chair. They went a different way. They
• 38:06
  Speaker 13: took great, great pains to work with Krista Pike, no
• 38:13
  Speaker 13: matter how big of a monster she is, to do
• 38:20
  Speaker 13: this humanely. They really did. Nancy, they brought in experts
• 38:26
  Speaker 13: about the size of needles and the efficacy of lethal injection,
• 38:34
  Speaker 13: how many grams or milligrams of pentobarbital they were going
• 38:38
  Speaker 13: to use. They really, really took this seriously and tried
• 38:42
  Speaker 13: to do it as humanely as possible. I remember a
• 38:45
  Speaker 13: day in court when they argued about how long it
• 38:48
  Speaker 13: would be before she was unconscious. and how long before
• 38:52
  Speaker 13: death would occur after she was unconscious. And it doesn't
• 38:57
  Speaker 13: appear that either of those things, unconscious or death, happened.
• 39:01
  Speaker 13: So I know that right now they're struggling with how
• 39:05
  Speaker 13: to do this humanely. The state, even though they're the
• 39:10
  Speaker 13: ones who carry out executions, try to make it as
• 39:13
  Speaker 13: humane as possible.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Well, Keith, Sharon, I think you're right. I don't think
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: anyone will. That's clearly not correct because we've got politicians
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: all across the country screaming for the electric chair to
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: be reinstituted. I don't see any good outcome with that
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: because if Florida can't pull it off with all their
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: experience with Old Sparky, nobody can pull it off. And
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: also Joe Scott Morgan following up on what Keith Sharon
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: from the Tennessean just said, if Tennessee can't pull off
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the needle, no way would I let them try Sparky,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: forget it.
• 39:47
  Speaker 18: No, no, no.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine what all could go wrong? You've got
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: one guy bleeding down the front of his shirt. You've
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: got one guy's head actually catches on fire.
• 39:56
  Speaker 12: No, no.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: So I still don't understand what the hay happened.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, let me kind of break this down for you, Nancy.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Prior to lethal injection, it was kind of, I hate
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: to use the word layman, but it was non-medical personnel.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: that were actually involved in the execution of individuals, okay?
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Whether it be hanging, firing squad, electrocution, all these things.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: The doctor was there as kind of an ancillary thing
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: just to go in. You know, you've seen it in
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: old movies. They put the stethoscope on the chest, check
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: for respiration, heartbeat, absence thereof, okay? But now you're into
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: this new kind of realm here where the medical community
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: is involved in this and they're having to insert IV lines,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: all right? And we know that this is a horrific,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: horrific event that has occurred because whoever did this, they
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: didn't know what the hell they were doing.
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: So with that said, one of the problems, and I've
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: encountered this along the way through all these conversations, is
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: that when she's asking for a central line here, that
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: is a medical procedure. Now, there are certain instances where
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: you can have a central line primarily in the arm,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: that does not require an incision, which is considered kind
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: of minor surgery. Well, who's going to do minor surgery? Well,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: it's going to be a physician, right? If you're going
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: to go into the neck, you're going to go into
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: the chest, you're going to do the femoral one. You're
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: going to have to make an incision to get that
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: line in there. Guess who can't do that? A physician
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: because the Hippocratic oath.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: So they're running into this problem.
• 41:38
  Speaker 14: All right.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: With the IV. And then you couple it with, You know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Tennessee used to have the cocktail. They don't have the
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: cocktail anymore.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: So still all up in the air, Krista Pike's team,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: supposed to be in court. They want a continuance. They
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: are preparing their ammunition to fire straight back at the court.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: We're waiting to hear what the governor is going to do.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Is he going to commute it? And then this argument is...
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: further noticed or continued or delayed until the next go-around?
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Are we waiting for the Tennessee Supreme Court to make
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: a decision? Because if they rule, no, we cannot have
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: another attempt at the DP with Krista Pike. All of
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: that would preclude getting an answer. But I can tell
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: you tonight, Old Sparky is not a viable alternative. We wait.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: As justice unfolds, and we remember an American hero, Lieutenant
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Eddie Mays, in Bernie P.D., Missouri, passed away in the
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: line of duty after 30 years on the force, leaving
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: behind his wife, Jamie, and children, Aaron and Candace. American hero,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Lieutenant Eddie Mays. Thank you to our guests, but especially
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: to you for being with us tonight. Nancy Grace signing
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night. And
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: until then, Good night, friends.