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Overlanding with Purpose: Remote Journeys with TrailRecon · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overlain Journal podcast. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host Matt Scott when I'm with my buddy Scott Brady here,
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  Speaker 1: and we've got Brad from Trail Recon and then his
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  Speaker 1: lovely doggie Luna is also on the floor who's going
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  Speaker 1: to be occasionally piping in and joining us.
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  Speaker 2: So we're so excited. I love having dogs on the show.
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  Speaker 1: We're so excited that you hear man, Brad has had
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  Speaker 1: an illustrious career in the Navy and then has moved
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  Speaker 1: on to really creating this amazing content in the technical
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  Speaker 1: four whel drive world now kind of moving into you know,
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  Speaker 1: in your own words, you're camping more, but you're doing
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  Speaker 1: it with your own flair, and you're kind of mixing this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'll say, like more traditional four wheel drive
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  Speaker 1: with the camping and the overlanding. I mean, you've got
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  Speaker 1: a sprinter, you've got a gladiator, you've got jeeps, You've
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  Speaker 1: got all this kind of stuff. And we're just so
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  Speaker 1: stoked as talk trucks and talk places to go.
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  Speaker 3: I'm always about talking trucks, and I'm excited to be
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  Speaker 3: here with you guys because I've been listening to you
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  Speaker 3: guys for a long time, so I'm honored to be here,
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  Speaker 3: so I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: podcast and to connect with the community. I just I
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  Speaker 2: really like the content that you produce. I watch very
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  Speaker 2: little YouTube because I just don't have time. But there
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  Speaker 2: has been more than a few occasions where one of
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  Speaker 2: your videos will pop up and I'm like, that looks
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  Speaker 2: like a really beautiful route. There was one that comes
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  Speaker 2: to mind. It you guys were traveling to this very
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  Speaker 2: remote lake and it was like it was proper low range,
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  Speaker 2: and you guys have built jeeps and you were working
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  Speaker 2: hard to get to this beautiful lake, and you guys
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  Speaker 2: camped out for days. Nobody was there. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's one of the benefits of having a more capable
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  Speaker 2: vehicle is there's so many more people camping now, there's
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  Speaker 2: so many more people in the backcountry dot you can
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  Speaker 2: create like a it's like a gatekeeper. You can. By
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  Speaker 2: having a very capable jeep, you can get a little
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  Speaker 2: bit further. Is that something you find works for you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I mean I like doing it all.
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  Speaker 3: I like going to the places where you know, popular,
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  Speaker 3: but we really like to find those little, little tucked
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  Speaker 3: away places that are hard to get to that there's
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  Speaker 3: we know that there's not going to be anybody there,
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  Speaker 3: like yeah, and so yeah, it's a it's been an
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  Speaker 3: interesting transition through life trying to figure out what my
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  Speaker 3: four wheel like, you know, how I like to.
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  Speaker 4: Do it, and it's evolved over time.
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  Speaker 3: But we'd love to just like go far away, get
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  Speaker 3: get as remote as we can and then all right,
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  Speaker 3: there's an obstacle along the way, which you know, in
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  Speaker 3: the overland world you want to you know, you really
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  Speaker 3: want to conserve your vehicle and take care of your vehicle.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, we feel like we've built them well
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  Speaker 3: and we're prepared and if something goes wrong, we can
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  Speaker 3: fix it. Or there's you know, you're with a buddy.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, let's go tackle this hard trail. Yeah, we'll
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  Speaker 3: tackle this hard trail and see if we can get
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  Speaker 3: to that lake that you're talking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And that was it was such a
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  Speaker 2: neat video. I mean I watched the entire thing, which
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  Speaker 2: never happened, thank you, so like no, I mean I
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  Speaker 2: just like wanted to see you guys get there and
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  Speaker 2: then and then when you did, it was beautiful and
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  Speaker 2: the campsite was gorgeous and I think that having that
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  Speaker 2: kind of content out there is so helpful for people
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  Speaker 2: that maybe don't even know what's in their own backyard.
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  Speaker 2: And I have to say that the trails are difficult
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  Speaker 2: and the areas are remote enough that I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that it's over it's like over popularizing some of those areas.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't find that people really go to that
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  Speaker 2: places that they don't know. The Rubicon is always going
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  Speaker 2: to be over trafficked, but that little lake, I would
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  Speaker 2: doubt it gets a whole lot more traffic, maybe a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more. Yeah, although I want to go there now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's been there's been some amazing places that we've
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  Speaker 3: just found on accident. Like we know that there's this
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  Speaker 3: difficult trail and we want to go there, and then
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  Speaker 3: you get to the end of the trail and you're like,
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  Speaker 3: wait a minute, look at this camp spot. This is incredible,
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  Speaker 3: and this is the only way we could have got
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  Speaker 3: here was with you know, having thirty seven inch tires
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  Speaker 3: and all the things, and so it's just yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: love it.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: When you it's like, you know, overlanding is a challenge,
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  Speaker 3: it's a mission. You know, from the military life, it's
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  Speaker 3: a mission for me. But then you add the element of,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's a little battle that's going to happen
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  Speaker 3: because we've got to tackle this big obstacle, whether it's
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  Speaker 3: you know this this.
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  Speaker 4: Mountain or rocks or mud or whatever it is. And
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  Speaker 4: it just adds a little bit of element.
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  Speaker 2: Of like uncertainty. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But you also once you're done, you're like, oh, that
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  Speaker 4: was so there's a sense of accomplishing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's dig a little bit into your military background.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate your service. I mean, you retired from the
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  Speaker 2: military and and we're really honored to have you here
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  Speaker 2: and recognize your service. But talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 2: where did you serve, What did you learn about travel
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  Speaker 2: or what What are some of the things you learned
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  Speaker 2: in the military that applied to what you do now. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So when I graduated high school, I went to Itt
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  Speaker 3: Technical Institute for Oh.
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  Speaker 4: I remember those commercials. Yeah, they got me. They suck
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  Speaker 4: with me.
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  Speaker 3: And I went for like like a quarter and then
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  Speaker 3: I was just driving to school one day. I was
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  Speaker 3: living in Arizona and I was just like this is
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  Speaker 3: not for me. And I was just one of those days.
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  Speaker 3: I just drove around for like four hours, like contemplating life,
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  Speaker 3: you know, eighteen years old or I didn't know anything
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  Speaker 3: that did it. Yeah, And I started thinking about the military,
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  Speaker 3: and of course, well the member of the Navy's motto
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  Speaker 3: back in the nineties it's not just a job, it's
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  Speaker 3: an adventure, yea.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, oh, that's I want to go
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  Speaker 4: have some adventure.
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  Speaker 3: So I went to the recruiting office and I said
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  Speaker 3: I want to join the Navy, and they're like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: how soon you want to go?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, no, when can I go? I
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  Speaker 2: want to go now?
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  Speaker 4: And desert storm was just starting.
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  Speaker 2: To kick up.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, so they were all about like bringing folks in
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  Speaker 3: and what year was that. The un was in ninety okay,
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  Speaker 3: and so that's when I was born.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and it was a few year years before I
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  Speaker 2: went in in ninety three, so just shortly after.
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  Speaker 3: You so, less than two weeks later, I was in
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  Speaker 3: San Diego Boo Camp and then from there it was
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  Speaker 3: literally an adventure. All ships and hospital commands and deployments
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  Speaker 3: with the Marines, and combat zones and all the things
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  Speaker 3: humanitarian missions that changed my life, you know, just all
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  Speaker 3: these things over twenty six years.
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  Speaker 2: And what an incredible career.
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  Speaker 3: Man, you got to go all over the world, which
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  Speaker 3: just you know, after you retire, you're like, I want
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  Speaker 3: some of that Camaradoe and I want some of that adventure.
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  Speaker 4: And so how do you get that back?
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  Speaker 3: And this man, I want to talk about a way
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  Speaker 3: to Philip boy go do some overlanding.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you were a Corman, So for those that
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  Speaker 2: are listening, kind of give people some insights of what
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  Speaker 2: you learned about in the military that helped apply to
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  Speaker 2: be a vehicle based travel as far as medical medical
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  Speaker 2: equipment kit you're bringing along. What kind of training do
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  Speaker 2: you recommend that people get before they start traveling remote?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so in the navy, so Corman is like a medic.
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  Speaker 3: And I was on a ship for a while and
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  Speaker 3: then I went to a couple of different commands, worked
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  Speaker 3: in the er, did some that kind of stuff, ransom ambulances,
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  Speaker 3: and then I went to what's called Advanced Independent due
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  Speaker 3: to Corman school, which is pretty extensive.
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  Speaker 2: And then you become you're like.
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  Speaker 3: The ship's doctor, but you're not like a doctor in
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  Speaker 3: the civilian world, but more like a paramedic. Maybe no,
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  Speaker 3: it's not like a peace like yeah, yeah, it's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Like I was for three hundred and thirty people on
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  Speaker 3: a destroyer for three years. I was the senior medical
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  Speaker 3: officer on there, amazing. So you get some pretty advanced training,
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  Speaker 3: but over time, as you progress, you you know, you
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  Speaker 3: get promoted and your your responsibilities changed. Now you're in
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  Speaker 3: charge of people and now you're coordinating missions and logistics,
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  Speaker 3: and those things really helped me figure out how to
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  Speaker 3: be you know, how to plan overland trips because when
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  Speaker 3: you're planning a deployment overseas and you have to take
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  Speaker 3: medical gear, and you got to take people, and you
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  Speaker 3: got to you know, where am I going to go?
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  Speaker 3: And where are my destinations and how it's all my
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  Speaker 3: stuff going to get there? That that's all stuff that
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  Speaker 3: absolutely transfers over into overlanding, right, And so it.
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  Speaker 4: Feels like that was just an easy thing. It's easy
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  Speaker 4: to do it for four seats in a jeep instead
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  Speaker 4: of a three destroyer, right, Yeah, but uh incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know medical, I think that's a piece
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  Speaker 3: that a lot of people in our community put to
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  Speaker 3: the side, is the medical piece. And I try to
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  Speaker 3: promote that as often as I can. And it's as
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  Speaker 3: simple as going to like the Red Cross website and
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  Speaker 3: you can do an online first aid course. I think
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  Speaker 3: everybody should do something like that. In persons always going
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  Speaker 3: to be better, but at least.
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  Speaker 4: Get some some some idea of what's going on and.
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  Speaker 3: Carry a kit, and don't just carry a kit. Open
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  Speaker 3: it up and know what's in there and how to
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  Speaker 3: use it, and that's so important.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, check to see if stuff expires. You know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes kits can get wet. They could be in the
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  Speaker 2: bottom of a drawer and then get wet and they
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  Speaker 2: get moldy. So you got to inspect your equipment before
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  Speaker 2: you go. And then a lot of times people are
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  Speaker 2: afraid to bring a little more comprehensive kit along because
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  Speaker 2: they're like, I don't have the training, but you might.
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  Speaker 2: There might be someone there that does have the trending Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of like that was the smart guy response.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, well, I don't know how to use
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  Speaker 4: all that stuff, so I don't need the tools for
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  Speaker 4: the stuff. I don't know how to wrench on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but somebody might come along that knows how to
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  Speaker 2: wrench on. Somebody would start.
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  Speaker 1: Like these days, somebody might be walking you through it
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  Speaker 1: exact probably the only option, you know, or a satellite
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  Speaker 1: phone or some kind of messenger or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, telemedicine is becoming more and more available, and now
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  Speaker 2: you can do it via video calling. So you can
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  Speaker 2: you know, you can show the wound, or you can
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  Speaker 2: show the skin lesion or the symp you can describe
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  Speaker 2: the symptoms, or they can the doctor can talk to
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  Speaker 2: the patient a little bit and do a much better
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  Speaker 2: assessment because of the video capabilities. Now, yeah, that's one
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  Speaker 2: hundred percent. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there was like there was a lot of
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  Speaker 3: pushback about starlink when it first came out, and I
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  Speaker 3: think everybody's realized what an asset it is.
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  Speaker 1: To to us one, I would say, it just takes discipline, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like I've noticed that it's just always on,
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  Speaker 1: like on my camper, like I have a lot of batteries.
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  Speaker 4: It's just always on.
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  Speaker 1: And then like you'll be in an event or you
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  Speaker 1: be camp with somebody and you know, somebody else then
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  Speaker 1: starts depending on it and their wife is their kids texting them,
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  Speaker 1: and you're.
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  Speaker 4: Like, oh man, I really can't turn it off now
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  Speaker 4: can I?
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  Speaker 1: So like all these idyllic, peaceful camp sites where you
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  Speaker 1: like escaped, Like you have to have the the fortue
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  Speaker 1: to turn the thing off and still disconnect.
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  Speaker 2: But boys, it's so powerful it's.
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  Speaker 3: Difficult turn I turned mine on in the morning to
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  Speaker 3: check what's going on with email, call my wife because.
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  Speaker 4: I can call her over it, which is Yeah. Then
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  Speaker 4: I usually leave it off for the day. But what's
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  Speaker 4: great about it is and we're getting off.
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  Speaker 2: Track here, but you know, we meant we're supposed to be.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, good, awesome. That's that's how it works.
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  Speaker 3: It makes it easier for me to get out longer.
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  Speaker 3: And that's such a tool, and I think that's for
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people that there's an asset and you
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  Speaker 3: don't have to work this Friday.
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  Speaker 4: I have better Internet in my camper than I do
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  Speaker 4: at home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, like.
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  Speaker 1: Like genuinely, I get like sixty five to eighty megabytes
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  Speaker 1: a second at home, and I can get like three
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  Speaker 1: hundred on.
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  Speaker 4: Like moving down the road driving exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We had telemedicine in the Navy, and actually when I
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  Speaker 3: was on the Destroyer, we would use that, but boy,
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  Speaker 3: would as rudimentary to what you can do with starlank.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: I mean this was you know, many years ago, but
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  Speaker 3: it was nice to be able to pick up the
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  Speaker 3: phone and talk to an er doc when I.
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  Speaker 2: Was out at sea.
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  Speaker 4: You know, yeah, sure, so it's a good asset to have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no question. I just think being on a destroyer
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  Speaker 2: would be so.
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  Speaker 1: Like, you know, like I'm very fascinated in like campers
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  Speaker 1: and that, you know, like this self sufficiency concept. And
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: there's nothing more self sufficient than a navy vessel that
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  Speaker 1: can also like take down a small city. That's the
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  Speaker 1: next level, right.
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  Speaker 2: That one story of the submarine crew that spent a
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  Speaker 2: year or almost a year without surfacing a nuclear submarine
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  Speaker 2: and they could create their own water, they you know,
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  Speaker 2: scrub their own oxygen. They I guess it's not sailed.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it is sailed. They went under the North Pole,
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  Speaker 2: under the ice and just like inquite an incredible would that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't they do.
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  Speaker 4: They call it diving. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It's not for me though, because they tried. They tried
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  Speaker 3: to get me to do that for years, because you
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  Speaker 3: get extra pay as an independent due to Corman to
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  Speaker 3: go be on a submarine, and I was like, huh,
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  Speaker 3: I want to bare to go outside and see the
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  Speaker 3: ocean and see the views and pull into ports.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jorisan's got to be able to know their limitations
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  Speaker 4: like an engineered system. I think that these vessels are
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  Speaker 4: just so crazy cool.
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  Speaker 2: So cool, but becoming less and less relevant that you're
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  Speaker 2: in the days of drones, Like every asset now is
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  Speaker 2: so well.
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  Speaker 3: But were they shot down a lot of the drones.
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  Speaker 3: Those are destroyers off the coast. Oh yeah, they've got
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  Speaker 3: the gear.
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  Speaker 2: They keep getting better and better.
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  Speaker 3: I loved my time on the destroyer was one of
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  Speaker 3: the highlights of my career. But I think my service
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  Speaker 3: with the Marines is some humanitarian stuff like that stuff
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  Speaker 3: really just stuck with me because you know, when you're
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  Speaker 3: in the woods, you know.
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  Speaker 4: When you're in the jungle or wherever it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, are there any like deployments with the kind of
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  Speaker 1: stick out to you?
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  Speaker 3: Uh well, I'll never forget my time in East Moore.
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  Speaker 3: So there was a there was a civil war with
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  Speaker 3: Indonesia and they left and uh so we went in there.
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  Speaker 2: I went.
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  Speaker 3: It was me and a dentist and a small security
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  Speaker 3: force with Marines and we spent three months just going
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  Speaker 3: from village to village to village to village doing just
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  Speaker 3: basically free medical and dental care and they were in
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  Speaker 3: such need, you know, and you just see just see
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  Speaker 3: the poverty and despair, and but you talk to them
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  Speaker 3: and like they're just happy and.
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  Speaker 4: I know what they know and their reality, and it.
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  Speaker 3: Was just like, I'll never ever forget that three months.
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  Speaker 3: That changed my life because it really kind of gave
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  Speaker 3: me perspective on things. But that was I mean, there
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  Speaker 3: you want to talk about a planned overland trip in
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  Speaker 3: the jungles of East Moore and going to mountain villages
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  Speaker 3: and there was still a little civil war these things happening,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so there was.
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: A security element to it.
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: But we were going from place to place and and
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: you had to coordinate all that and make sure we're Yeah,
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: it was it was pretty much real.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: It was real.
• 14:07
  Speaker 4: But it was so fulfilling.
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when you're able to when a
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: mom walks two miles with their kids to come make
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: sure they're okay, Like there was nothing wrong with them,
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: she just wanted you to take a look at them.
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: It was like, unbelievably, humbly the best thing I've ever done.
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: In my life. Yeah, and a universal human need to
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: provide for your children and make sure they're safe and
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: healthy and all of that, and I suspect that there's
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, for those that are listening, think of ways
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: that you can give back on your own trips, like
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: you were able to do that through service in the military,
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: but even now when you're traveling to these remote areas
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: in the United States or in Alaska, you still could
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: do those things and finding ways that we can all
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: give back to those communities that we get to experience. Yeah.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: That so you were just up in Alaska. Yeah, you
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: got back in like May.
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: I got back like two and a half weeks ago.
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: You left in May.
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: We left in May third week and then this is
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: your second trip in two years.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: So last year at the same time last year, we
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: did all the way through British Columbia, Yukon Northwest Territories,
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: all the way up to tuk tiak Tek and did
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: that the.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Ice road.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: Oh no, we well it was so it's interesting story.
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: So we were right in between the two water river crossings. Yeah,
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: were frozen over to drive and the ferries still weren't
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: running when we got out there, and so we almost
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: didn't make it. We had to wait out a couple
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: days un till they got the ferries going.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: It's like the Peels first and Mackenzie's second.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So we watched them like build the
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: ramp with dirt.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: We were waiting.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: We'd go check every day to see how things were going.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I remember on the Mackenzie crossing it was after the
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: fourth of July, but they still had all of the
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: ice that they must have like just bulldozed up to
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: try and clear this crossing, and there like little icebergs
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: just still sitting there, and it was like it was
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: like ninety something degrees and there's these icebergs that it
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: is still there.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: They're not icebergs, it's river ice. But yeah, I've only
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: done it in the winter. Yeah, I've never taken any
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: of those ferris.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: When we got up to Tuck, the ocean was still
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: about ninety five percent frozen. There was only just starting
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: the thaw.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: But we were the first outsiders because because the ferries
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: weren't running that they had seen in like six eight weeks.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: And sure everybody in the village came up and was
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: talking to us and asking us worry from just the
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: most incredible.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Little community, right, Yah, Tuck is awesome, But.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Being there camping there on the frozen ocean was just like,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: what's going.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: And with Tuck, you took to your gladiator and I did.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I took my gladiator.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: I towed a Patriot Campus trailer and Sean drove his
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Ram twenty five hundred with a.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Four will camper on it.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good little setup.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Like it.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: You know, he can kind of have his setup leave it.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: If you want to leave, you can leave your trailer.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: You got the jeep. That's interesting.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: But we did it a little different this to Alaska.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: So I didn't take the trailer this time because we
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: decided that we wanted to go the interior and hit
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: some some good hit some real stuff, some real challenging trails.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I wishu it did and tell us about some of those.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: What are some of the trails? And that was on
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: your way up to Tuck is when you hit the
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: or on your with with a Dalton No. So we did.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So we did the Dalton Win and we just
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: kind of bombed up to do that because that was
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: the bucket list trip that you want to do. And
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: it was incredible because there was still quite a bit
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: of snow up there, but there was the Caribou migration
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: was happening, which is only like one and a half
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: to two weeks out of the year, and we just
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: happened to be there right at the perfect time. So
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: that was pretty cool that it made that really a
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: cool experience. But then we headed down towards Denali Highway.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Oh nice, and there are a lot of trails that
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: the branch off the Danali Highway. There's some good blue
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: and some black trails out there, and we knew we
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: wanted to go explore those because everybody doesn't.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Don't ally highway, which is beautiful, but we're like, no,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: we want to really get deep in there.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Well, most people, it's such a significant undertaking to make
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: that drive. I mean, you know, it's it's in the
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: weeks to get up there. It's what it's a week
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: if you're pushing right to get there, depending on where
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: you're out in the US. So you just end up
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: getting there and then it's time to turn around to
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: go home. And people don't really myself included, spend much
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: time to Yeah, I don't know, explore the little stuff.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Right. Was there a trail that you really liked one
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: of the more challenging.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Ones, Well, I think the one that everybody knows is
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: my favorite was is the Kinect Glacier. Oh yeah, you know,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: but this is water deep water crossings whatever. That was
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: our favorite, just because it was just an epic trail.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: But there were a couple of little trails that we
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: did trying to get up towards the mountains and we
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: were just having a blast and the scenery was.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Just other world in edible.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: I mean it was like and for like three weeks
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: all we kept doing was like, oh my gosh, that's beautiful.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: You would think you would get tired of it. Not once,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: but then oh yeah, oh no, we saw a grizzly,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Like there was a grizzly right on the side of
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: the c I love that. But but there was a
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: lot of late snow this year, and so there were
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: several times where we got stuck in the snow and
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: had to pull out some recovery year we ended up
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: spending like an hour digging a Sean's truck out of
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: the snow.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: It was. It was a pretty brutal recovery.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: But we were having a lot of fun out there,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: and there's there's so many trails and and the month
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: wasn't long enough.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: We just spent another month up there. So it's always
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: the case. I always want twice as much time as
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: to take, yeah, for sure.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: But we made a point though this time, because we've
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: been talking about it now that we've done a couple
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: of trips together. It's like, all right, the trails are great,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: we got to go to all that stuff, but what
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: else can we see to see Alaska? And so that's
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: where we were like, you know, there's museums and there's
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: old you know, mines and all these little things that
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: we made sure.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: We're like, you need to stop and see this because
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: it's great.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Austin's cool. And yeah, it's so easy to go up there.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And I did it the wrong way, I guess. And
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you just stick to the highways, you know, because there's
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: just so much to see you have to dig a
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: little deeper.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: And I think that that's cool. I don't think there's
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: the wrong way to see Alaska. Yeah, I mean just
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: seeing Alaska in itself is incredible. Yeah, you just hit
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: it at Peak Bug. Yeah you saw animals.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I saw like one scraggly moose and like a raccoon
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: eating out of a trash can or something.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: So it's like, that's why I love to go on
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I need to redo. Yeah, because you can also get
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: the Aurora. When you go early enough in the year,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: you get the Aurora.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I would love I would love to take an expedition
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: camper north in the winter, like take my Earth rom
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: or like take a truckhouse or something. And I think
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: that would be an interesting challenge. You could still do
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of the ice roads, but camping in that
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: condition would be Yeah, I think that that would be
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: kind of a.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: So we talked about that, and for us, it's like
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: we want to get to camp and mail to get
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: outside and enjoyed it. And if it's if it's fifteen below.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: Well we're talking about that year underwater in the Submarine's
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: basically you're not leaving the camper not much.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: But I'm with you.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: I would love to see it and then experience it,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: just the camping.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've never obviously Scott has, but I've
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: never experienced like that, that like frigid darkness of winter.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, like, I'm from Chicago, but that's a couple
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: of thousand miles out of San Diego, so I'm even
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: more interesting. Oh yeah, buddy, buddy, you don't know.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: It's hard. It's just hard.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: There's this stuff called ice, and it's water when it's warm,
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: and it's surprising, like how camping gear just doesn't even
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: the best of camping gear doesn't perform well at minus
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: fifty seven.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: It's just like all of it becomes a great labor. Yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Well, but there was the day after we had pulled
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Sean's truck out of the snow after shoveling, Like my
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: boots were completely soaking wet, and I had another pair
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: of shoes. Well, the next day we were on another
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: trail that was all full of snow and we actually
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: ended up camping in the snow, had to build a
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: fire on the ice, and those shoes were soaked, and
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Sean had the right shoes. And I'm just like, I'm
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: the knucklehead from San Diego that I brought two pairs
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: of shoes thinking they were the right ones, and they just.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: Throw those Those dang Canadians are always so nice and prepared.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the consequences are high. Yeah, the consequences are high.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Let's talk a little because you've had a lot of
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: different vehicles. I mean, you've currently got a sprinter you've
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: got a land cruiser, two fifty, you've got a jeep.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: So clearly you like all the brands. So let's talk
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: a little bit about some of your current builds and
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: maybe some of the things that you like most about them.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: So the Gladiator for me, so I had one of
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: the very first Gladiators that came out. Yeah, me too,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: And I love that vehicle. And it's one of those
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: you's diesel.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: No, it's not, I wish, honestly, but I you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I build vehicles and we go have adventures and then
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: you kind of, you know, you got to rotate the
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: vehicles out for content unfortunately. And I was like, someday,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have another Gladiator because that's really like for
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: me what I do. That's a dependable, durable, good off
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: roads overland vehicles, super capable, which is important, right, do
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: it on thirty sevens and you can joke just about
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: anywhere else. Like, I'm gonna build another one. And so
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: that's where I was. Finally, I was like that they
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: the prices on them had just bottomed out.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: They're such good value, right, and unbelievable.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you could buy a new one for about
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: forty four grand a few months ago.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, have you looked at like what the JT
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: three seventy AEV trucks are. I mean, it's like you're
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: getting the AEV upfit for free and you're buying a
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: use Gladiator.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: It's crazy.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's what I need to get.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: It's I mean genuinely like, I think that right now,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: where we are, right now, the Gladiator.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Is the best value.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: And historically, historically jeeps have always been kind of expensive.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: They've had they historically had phenomenal resale value, and but
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: now they're just getting attacked on all sides and they've
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: dropped prices because Bronco Grenadier like all this GM, GMC
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: pickup stuff.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: It's fascinating, great value.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: So it's been a great I knew before I got
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: that vehicle exactly what I wanted to do with it,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: and so what did you do with it? So it's
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: got it's all AV suspension, with some Billsteine shocks, avy
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: bumpers and all that kind of stuff. And then I
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: did I did something a little fun. I put a
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: high water forwarding exhaust on it. I saw that, so
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I saw that that's like a tribute to the military
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: because I call it DOC right, because then I was like,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I want to at least try to bring it a
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: little bit of military and medical vibe.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: To it, and you know, well and even have like
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the little heat shield on it, which is like like,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: if it didn't have the heat shield, be like, what's
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: that red neck doing?
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: But I'm like it looked like it was off a
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: hummer and I'm.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, all right, all right again, I told Magna
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Flow what I wanted to do, and they looked at
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: me like I was crazy, and They're like, oh, no,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, we can make this happen. And I
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: was like, let's like, do you want to drill a
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: hole on the side of your truck. I'm like, yeah,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: let's drill a whole side of a truck.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: So it's amazing. It's got a snorkel.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: And then for the first year, I was just trying
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: to figure out, you know, what kind of camper I
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: wanted to put on there, so I was just running
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: a hardshell and finally put a four wheel camper in there,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: and then now it's got all good.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: The Project M Project M because I wanted to like it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: I love it super light weight, right, and it's easy.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: You just build it out at the back of the
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: way you want.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: And I have I have actually have Goose gear to
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: get Goose giar shelves in there that I've had for
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: years that they've gotten from vehicle to vehicle. I can
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: bolt those in and out within about twenty minutes and
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: then I can bolt them out.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: And I have my truck back back. Yeah, you have
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: an actual usable thing.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Put a mountain bike back there, go to home depot. Yeah,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: it's usually work.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Because that's the problem is you buy like the Gladiator,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: you buy the pickup, and then everybody's sit at this
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: table likes to mess with stuff. Yeah, and then and
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: then you're like, oh yeah, I'll tell my wife we've
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: got to pick up. We can go get mulch and
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: haul dirt bikes. And then there's some camper that ends
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: up in it, and then this goes on, and then
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: there's drawers in the back, and then I have like
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: a thirty foot long suv.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that is why I like the like the
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: sliding camper because I just leave it off and then
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I have a pickup back right.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you actually like use it that way, which
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: is cool. I would be way lazy and it would
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: just it would just like it would just live there.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It probably comes on and off three or four
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: times a month. Yeah, it's so easy. Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Just do you use the forklift or do you have
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: the No.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I just use electric like a d wall, the drill
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: and the jacks and it's like, I don't know, maybe
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: ten minutes we have it off. Yeah that's easy. That's awesome. Yeah.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I had a power wagon for a couple of years,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: sliding camper and I it was I don't know, maybe
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I just wasn't good at it, but the backing in
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: to get it to fit was always a nice to leave.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: It out there, that's made me.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So then you how did you like the power wagon?
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Oh? What a great vehicle. Just don't put a camper
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: on the back of it.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: A project that would be great doesn't have enough payload.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: It doesn't, It really doesn't. I had to do a
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: lot of work to the suspension to make it handle
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: it and it still wasn't great. But the power wagon itself, man,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I love that truck. It's such a good truck.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I think putting the project them on there would be
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Ye's gonna do it over That's what I do because
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: the power wagons.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: This it's a little lighter than the I've had, like
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: p xls, and those just get a bit heavy, you know.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: Like the power wagons also considerably cheaper. I like the engine.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Until recently it actually had a considerably better transmission.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I like the power wagon, but I think it like
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: they even say like it avoids the warranty if you
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: put a camper in.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or there's some language like that, do not.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: It's got like a thousand pounds payload. Yeah, in a
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: three quarter ton truck. So Tacoma's got more now how
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the turns of table? Yeah, a good truck. It was
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: a good truck.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: So then you go to sprinter. Yeah, so I've had
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: the sprinter for about three years.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Nice you like it?
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Is it like a built out sprinter? Did you build
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: this now?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Built out?
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: The guys at Agile Down, Oh yeah, John's great. Yeah,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: they've helped me out a lot with that. The plan
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: with that was just going to be for the wife
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: and I and go like national parks or go spend
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: the weekend somewhere and just a little more creature cover.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: You know, we're not young anymore.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Really getting a little older and so just being able
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: to open the door and just set up camp and
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: you're there and you can park in a regular parking
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: spot with that thing.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: That's the thing.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Like we're kind of looking at a sprinter.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I've been very sprinter curious lately because our current truck
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: is like it's long, you know, it's built on a
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: four CA chassis, it's a quad cab, it's toll feet tall.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: It's just it's a bear to drive. And we're looking
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: at this PanAm thing and other stuff and like it's
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: it's the perfect footprint because it's you can fit a toilet,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a shower bed, you can put air conditioning on them,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and then it fits in a regular parking spring. It's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: amazing and a sprinter can go everywhere. We had We
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: had Peter and Kathy Holcombe, who did I mean they've
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: they've been living and learn for eleven years. This is
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: this is actually a really good podcast we recorded this weekends.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: We're at the big Thing. They love theirs. Yeah, like
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: they've been everywhere. They take it all the way down
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the pan Am. I just if you're not doing like
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: really technical stuff like that. The all wheel drive for
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: whel drive sprinter is such a game change.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: So let me tell you because I like to push it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, we've pushed the sprinter way farther than I
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: ever thought it would be able to.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: And you have like a you have a lift on
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: it if you're working with John, the rib kit, the
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: rip kit, it's got thirty threes, it's got the rear locker,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: which is a game changer. Oh yeah, locker now, yeah yeah,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: And so that was a game changer.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: And then man, that thing will we you know, we've
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: gotten places that I've taken the GEP before.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know if we're going to get
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: these up here.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: And I go with John because we've become good friends
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: and a couple of guys and there's like a small
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: group of us. Now we're like, all right, we're gonna
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: go up to Kytie Flats up in the eastern Sierras
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: where you know that's not an easy trail, and when
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: you can get that thing up there, it's incredible.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: And we were in Arizona. We were in Cofa.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Nofah is great, and we were out there and
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: just having a great time and we got to this
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: cabin and there's these old guys there and jeeps and
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: they're out camping. They're looking at us like we're crazy
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: pulling up in these sprinters. I'm like, how did you
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: get in here? I'm like, we just drove them in here.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: And then we started talking to them and they're looking
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: and we tell them where we're going, and they're like,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: you guys won't make it. There's no way you're taking
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: those vehicles up there. And we did and it was
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: fun and it was challenging, but we made it. And
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: we saw them at the gas station. They're like, you
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: got to be kidding me. You got those sprinters in
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: that trail.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, it was amazing.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: So you can push those things a little bit.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: If you build a break the air locker is key
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: because then because it doesn't have a low some of
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: them have a low range, but it's only one point
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: five to one.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: It's not even that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I think. Yeah, so if you and the new ones
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: don't have low range at all. But if you lock
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the roode diff then you're not getting all that traction
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: control intervention. So you get all that torque back because
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it's just not fighting you with the brakes, right.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the front of the sprinter.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: It's not a true fifty to fifty four wheel drive
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: fifty percent split. It's only like I think thirty three
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: percent in the front. And so the weak link with
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: the transfer case is the front shaft and those will
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: snap if you, if you like, lift a tire and
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: you're and four wheel drive and the tire starts spinning,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: you know, trying to put power to that tire that's
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: in the air, and you drop that tire down on
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: the ground. It stops it abruptly, like it'll easily snap.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: It's it's the drive shaft from the differential to the
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: transfer case.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: It's it's an incidental it's in where their warm gears
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: are inside the case itself. Yeah, I've seen it happen
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: twice with other people's vans because and they were lifting
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: tires and and you put that rear locker in there,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: and you can almost go everywhere you need to go
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: into will drive with a rear locker.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: And then you don't have to weight on the back.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's it's really good. I mean there's
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: times eight years four low. But you got to really
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: be careful. Don't lift that tire and I'll let it
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: slam down on the ground, and does yours still have
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: like the proper low range. I mean, no, it's not
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: a great low range, but it has an actual low range.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't have an actual low range. Now the
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: new one's just have a lower first gears at all.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but they got a little more horsepower.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Which is they do And I drove one. It was nice. Yeah,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: it's cool.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: So I like the sprinterer van way more than I
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: thought I was going to.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I kind of ragged on sprinters for a
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: while or two. And because they're so common, you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: like I drove up from Arizona and there's just so many,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: specifically the window Bago Revel, Like there's eight squillion.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Of the things. That's what I have.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what we're looking at it because like
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: we could drive it to South America, ship the thing back,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: throw the keys of the first RV dealer and walk away.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: It's got a forty gallon fuel tank, so it's diesel,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: so I can go about five hundred miles on a tank.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, which great. Right, It's got.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Thirty five gallons of water, six hundred and forty EMP
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: hours of battery, Like we just it's got air conditioning.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what the weather is outside, We've got heat.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Which battery kit did you do?
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: It's the the Lithonys. We just upgraded the Rome Riggs
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: kit that goes on there. And I mean, you just
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: don't think about those things in that vehicle. We're in
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: the jeep. I'm constantly like how much fuel I got
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: this thing. I'm like, I got to pull over them
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: as well get gas.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: One.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I did the long range tank in the Gladiator, and
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: that was actually because mine was on thirty sevens. It
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: had an at overland like summit camper on it, but
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: it was it's still got like decent fuel economy. I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: geared it properly, but small tank.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: It wasn't that big.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Like I remember like a few times in Baja, just
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: like the guys eating lunch, you know, the gas stations
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: closed for an hour and I'm sitting there like I
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: can't make it to the next one. Yeah, you know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: it works out. But fuel range, it's like it's that
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: five hundred mile thing I know that you like, for
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: international it's always it's always a thousand kilometers of autonomy,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: But like for the US, if you can get to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: that five hundred mile number, which isn't really I guess that.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Far off from a thousand. Yeah, maybe seventy eight hundred.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I can't do the conversion of my head
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: while I'm talking, but I think that that works pretty well.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the that's the I think the Achilles Heel
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: a little lancreaser.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fifty is Yeah, So.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: What's going on with that thing? I love it, first
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: of all. Yeah, there's so solid, great, it looks it
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: looks great.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: It's an amazing pig.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I almost it was between that and a Grenadier, and
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: that day I was I had both to go scheduled
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: to test drive, but I had already test driven the Grenadier.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I spent a day. The land Cruiser drives better. Oh
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: that's what that's why driver. Yeah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I test drove the land Cruiser and I
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, this is it's so incredible and it.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Will off road.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: It's got an amazing you know, it's got an amazing
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: trash control system, it's got a rear locker, it's got
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: the Suave Artist connected.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: And the suspension system is a little more known, Like
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you can make that thing in the aftermarket just do
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: crazy things whatever. Where with the Grenadier, you're the Grenade
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: is more of a seventy series right, Like this you
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: can make into a pre runner if you wanted, you know.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well we put it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: We put a Camberg system on there, and it's got
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: King shocks. It's got thirty three's right now, but thirty
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: fives are coming once. I've got a bumper coming. And
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: then I've been out in the desert and just bombing
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: in this thing, Like you don't do that at.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: A jeap like Gader.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a great Arguably the Jeep would be better
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: at that than the Grenadier. It doesn't have that much
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: up travel, no, but does have a bigger fuel tak yeah,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and a.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Ton more payload. Like if you need the payload.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Then yeah, I think mine's almost seventeen.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Hundred, almost twice the payload of that ten fifty.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: But the Lankers has been fun.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: We ripped out, I ripped out the rear seats, put
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: the Goose gear system in there, got his whole bed
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: system amazing, and then we got a Casey roof rack
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: and lights and yeah.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: That looks good. I like that Casey.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it does look nice. It does look nice.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I just drove one of their Tacomas that had the
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: rack on it, and I was really impressed with the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: quality fit and finished. Yeah.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just like that two fifty, like owning
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the Grenadier, like I like it, you know, like I'm
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: all like, you know, I basically need a pith helmet.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: We're weird. So we're weird, like different, it's not.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: It keeps me entertained. But then I'll like, you know,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I'm driving in town and I see somebody go by
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: with like one of the two fifty land Cruisers, and
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I should.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Have bought that.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Like if I had, you would have already sold it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I would have already sold it. But if I had
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: one vehicle, that would be great. I don't know, I'd
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: be bored. That's no problem. Yeah, but it's just a
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: sensible choice. The payload is the thing. Yeah, what is
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the payload on the you.
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Know, I don't know if it might be a little
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: hair more than a thousand, but yeah, because the Forerunner
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: is quite a bit less to ninety found.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but for me it tost six thousand pounds, which
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: means no problem with the Patriot Camp Australier.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: So that'll be my primary, like too vehicle. That's nice though. Yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: and the goose gear stuff will be nice in there.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Did you do like I did the goose gear in
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: the back of my Grenadieri and I did demetic drawer fridge.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Yep. Did you do that? Yep, yep.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's such a game change. Yeah, we actually did,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Like it must have been six or seven years ago.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: My buddy Marco is really handy with eighty twenty and
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: so we built my jeeps like first drawer system and
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: we used one of those demetic drawers. That was the
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: first time I was exposed to that. I was like,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: this is incredible because it doesn't take up any space.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: It's function.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: You still end up with like a like a you
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: know you're talking about kind of the gladiator. You can
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: take some of that stuff out for at least for
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: me with the grenadier, I fold my rear seat down.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I don't do the full tumble thing. I just fold
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: it down. It's basically at the same height. I can
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: put big stuff in there, you know, whatever thing I
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: bought on Amazon, and I take the box to the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: office to throw it away or something. It's not like
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: it's getting used for work. But you know it's it's
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: just a big cavernous space and that's really nice and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: it actually makes it more usable. And I don't really
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: need like a huge fridge.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: That's the problem with a fridge. If you have an
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: eighty liter fridge, you'll fill it up. If you have
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: a twenty five liter fridge, you'll fill it up. Like forrfadge,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: you're going to fill it up.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Like most people are doing a two or three night trip.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: And if it's just yourself or yourself and one other person,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: these dwarfridges are really great. But I see when you
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: have a family and you're gonna go for a little
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: bit longer.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: All of a sudden, you.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Have two kids and you've got all this so that
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: the kids need, and then there's also the food and
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. Like like I get it, But I
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: think that more people should look at these store fridges.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: And you could do too. What is it double stack?
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: You can I think one could run it as a freezer. Correct, Yeah, yeah,
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: like them.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: So you do so much trail driving, you go out
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: with so many different people, have you kind of developed
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: some tenants that you apply or you tell others about,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Like if you were to give someone some advice. It's like, Hey,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I've got a jeep. I'd like to go do more camping.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I'd like to find these remote places. I'd like to
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: go out for four or five days. What would be
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: kind of your punch list of advice that you would
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: give to someone that's looking to get started.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just go back to our story, and that's
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: just go just get some stuff and go get the basics.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: You know, get your first aid kit, your fire extinguisher,
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: you know, your recovery, your.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Tools, and go.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: My son and I that's what we did when we
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: got the jeep. We found they had these little books
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: that were in California, and we would just open it
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: up and were like, we're going to this trail today
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: and we're going to go see how we can do.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: And you go do that, and then you meet up
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: with some people, whether it's on Facebook or a local
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: group or whatever. There's plenty of people out there that
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: want to go out with with other folks. And some
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: people are gonna have experience or maybe you're gonna go
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: out together and learn things together. But there's so much
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: knowledge online that you can get that, and so just
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: go and then don't worry about I got to have
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: all the things I don't need to build up my vehicle.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: There's so many places where you can go in a
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: bone stock cheaper bone stock.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Especially modern vehicles, like they're so capable, capable.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Just get the basics and just go and then if
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: you want to start camping, you don't. You don't need
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: to go buy all the things right away. You know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: figure out what what your basic level of comfort is.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: When we first started, we were hikers, and so my
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: son and I would just take our backpacks.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: That's all we have. I look back, I'm like, man life,
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: it's so simple that there was.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: No way in my vehicle.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: But it's like I think a lot of people feel,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: you know, they go to these shows and they see
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: these fully built out vehicles.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: A lot of these are display vehicles.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: You know, there's show vehicles, you know, or you have
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: people that are just like have been doing it for
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: a while, so over time they've acquired You don't need
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: a three thousand dollars roof tent to go spend a
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: night outside, you know. I mean, like there's the Walmart
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: tent for a reason, and you know what, you can
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: go to Goodwill and get them for like yep free
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: basically absolutely, or set them up, set them up before
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you go.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, mari I has a clearance section. You can get
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: a Seer Designs tent for one hundred and ten bucks. Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: I think the one thing that I always tell people
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: that you need to invest in in your sleeping system.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: You got to have a good sleeping.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: Pad whatever makes you comfortable, and you got to have
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: a good sleeping bag if.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: You get it.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: You know, if you get one of those thin little
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: pads and you don't get a good night's sleep and
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: you wake up in the morning and you're cold, like
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: you're just not going to be happy, like you're not
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: going to be motivated, or yeah, make some of.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: This backpacking gear, like I recently slept. My wife has
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: a full setup. She's way more hardcore than me, and
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: she'll know do Rimm Ram and John near trail and
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: this stuff. And I recently slept in that, and I'm like,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I could see how this would work when you just
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: hiked like twenty miles across the Grand Canyon, and yeah,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: you could sleep on like you could sleep on a
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: rock and you would be fine.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: But when you're in a car, like you want.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: You want to you want to make yourself a little
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: bit more comfortable, like give yourself that that grace, right,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: But back to the original question, I think.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: I think if there's some anxiety or some uncertainty or
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: you might be scared, but it's just like anything in life.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: That's that comes with anything new.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: The more you do it, the easier it gets, the
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: more familiar it gets, You're gonna get more familiar with
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: your vehicle. And when I say just go out and
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: do it, that that sounds trivial, but really that's what
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: started us.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: We just were like, we're gonna go.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: We're just gonna go today, and we're gonna go this weekend.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: And there were times we would go every single weekend.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: And you just the more you do it, the more
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: you learn, the more comfortable you come. And I don't know,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't have a big, like a list
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: of things to do that inspire folks.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: Just go go have adventure, Go make memories. You won't
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: regret it.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And where can people find those kinds of insights
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: from you? I mean, you have a YouTube channel, You've
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: got some other sources of information. Where can people find
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: like or what's your favorite series that you've done. What
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: are some things that people can start to look at
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: in your pool of content.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we I have a few playlists that we've
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: done over the years. We've done some beginner stuff where
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: we talk about you know, first time off road in
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: basics and some of the basic gear to have. So
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: we've got quite a few of those video playlists that
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: they can just run through. And then there's lots of
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: just off road like day trip trails that people can
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: experience that we've done mostly or those who are in
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: the West Coast, so if they're in the West Coast,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: they'll take advantage of. But it'll give you an idea
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: of what's out there, you know, not everything has to
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: be a hardcore trail. And then there's a there's the
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: bucket List trip series if you really want to do
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: some overlading, and that whole series is up there.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: They can watch that.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: So yeah, so I think that plus on our website,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Trail recon dot com, we've got some good blogs on there.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: If you know, I still like reading stuff. I love
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: reading Overland Journal, you know, I love reading.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: All that stuff, and so that we've got some good
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: stuff on there that folks might find helpful as well.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: So so, and that's on trail recon dot com. Correct,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: and then you have like a series of articles that
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: talk about how to prepare, how to get started.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's some good basic stuff in there. There's
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: some you know, my wife's written some cooking stuff, so
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: there's some good that kind of stuff.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, awesome. What are the questions you get?
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: I just like talking trucks too.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: What do you think about that Grenadier on portals and
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: thirty sevens or the quartermasterations?
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: It's cool, right, Like it's cool to look at you know.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: They obviously Grenadier was kind of Magnus Stare who designed that.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: They have a lot of a lot to do with
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: the g Wagon, so it kind of looks like the
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: g Wagon and starting to get some pricing on it,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be it's going to be.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: Six figures to just for the kit and it has
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: to go on a new vehicle. It's something that I
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: recently found out. Oh I didn't realize that. So then
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: you have your installation and everything. I don't know, like
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: I think if I was to do it, all of
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: these here have like a two inch lift on top
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: of the portals.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that I would definitely not do.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: It doesn't need it, you know, like that's it's just
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: not that car.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Like a wrangular Rubicon is gonna drive circles around a
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Grenadier off road. Not that a Grenadier is not capable.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: It's a little ghost is I guess what I'm getting at,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Like you kind of know, like you're not going to
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: see you're not going to see like enthusiasts bying them.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: You're going to see him in Beverly Hills and Okay,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: like that's cool.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Probably what they need, Yeah, a little bit more of
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: like a signature piece.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: So it's not bad.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I guess that's what I'm saying, Like I think it's
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: really cool what I spend, What that's going to cost?
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: No, now, this seventy four weld stuff.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: You know, they're kind of talking if there's enough people
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: that have interest, maybe we'll consider doing that and that
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: would be like a quarter of the price.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: That would be kind of cool.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I drove one of the ones that's out there and
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: it was fun. Yeah, it definitely sure. It definitely made
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: me smile, But so far, like the Quartermaster that I'm
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: driving on thirty four. Is it's gone everywhere I've wanted
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: it to go. Yeah, I can, and I can get
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: in and out of it, and it fits, you know,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: in most parking lots. It fits in my garage without
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: the camper.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: It a truck like that is like it's post value right,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Like you're not you're not making like a value oriented
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: decision because you could go and buy a two door
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: av jail three seventy and put it on portals right
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: for what the portals are gonna cost you. So I
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: think in that regard like it's it's a little tough. Yeah,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: so Sea, it looks good.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Sean and I had this conversation on the radio because
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: we were on the way back from Alaska and we
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: talked probably.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: Hours about trucks.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: And one of the things that we're talking about is,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: you know, we're gonna do we have lots more of
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: these bucket trips planned that we're gonna do together. But
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: we're in two different vehicles, right, so then it's two
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: different parts lists and two different you know, maintenance lists
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff, and we're thinking, well,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: how can we like maybe find a vehicle we both love,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: and so we were having that conversation and would it
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: be so honestly, the Quartermaster. It seemed to come out
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: on top. We talked about a lot of trucks. We
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: talked about the you know, the Ranger Raptor, and then
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: all those thing zones are so great. I think the
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Ranger Raptor is total sleep Yeah, it's a total sleeper.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: But the price point of the Quartermaster is the only
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: I think barrier there. But what a great vehicle, and
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: to tape it, I'll take an international And why the
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Gladiator isn't up there because at that point the camp
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I did and share this with you
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: about the camshaft and my Gladiator I failed eight days
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: before I left for Alaska, so I had to get
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: that repaired right away. And I only had thirty two
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: thousand miles on it. So I'm looking for something that
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: maybe will get me a little more reliability. But to
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: be able to go international with these vehicles, the Gladiator
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: may not be the best one to do that with sore.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I know that you had an engine problem with it,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: but that engine is so ubiquitous everywhere, like it's in
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: so many things, and just by the nature of being
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: a jeep, every issue has ten solutions for it, right,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Like there's such an aftermarket for the jeep. You can strengthen,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: upgrade your way to the moon. I get it, though,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: I mean the Gladiator is also just a little tight
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: for long trips.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: That's slight difference I noticed between the Gladiator and the
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Quartermaster is a lot more company.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: That's why we sold ours and then went full sized truck.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Is like, you know, you think power wagon, you've had one.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I made the mistake of parking my Gladiator next to
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: a twenty five hundred rant and I realized it is
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: within inches of every dimension, Like it's effectively the same length.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: It's effectively the same with It's just the use of
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: space is different. Obviously the Jeep it's narrow, it's got.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: The axle trail.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: It's made for trails, right, it's more maneuverable. I don't know,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: but the power Wagon kind of has that. You know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: you got your four link or whatever they're calling it.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It's got lockers right out of the box.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: You know, you get the winch that comes factory.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: It's got all the things.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I think a Quartermaster food would be. Like they've done
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: really well creating a vehicle that has flaws, so it
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: has some character that's almost charming, Like you know, they're finally.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: The biggest thing is like they're finally doing the software update,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: because every I don't know, if you know, every time
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: they've been talking about it for a long time. Yeah,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: and you go over the speed that it's like, yeah,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: that's going away. I mean for most people that's gone.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: If you've got an update, I think that that's a
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: good thing.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. But the price of the Quartermaster Man, Yeah,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: hopefully the tear of stuff gets all worked out.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: I mean they're nearly like av Prospector price now. I
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: mean you can also buy two Gladiators for the price
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: of one.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, that's the thing is the Gladiator is
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: still such good value. Oh gee, yeah, So what else
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: have you thought about?
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Again?
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: We had a long discussion about the Ranger Raptor.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I man, pretty good payload, fourteen hundred pounds of payload
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: and you got horsepower, front rear lockers, great suspension. Like
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: that thing is a total surprise for me. In fact,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: in the last twenty years of testing cars, it's the
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: car that like totally took me by.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: They're like the GM slash Chevy mid size AV Bison.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: I know, geez, one of them's the AT four X
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: and one of them's the Colorado Bison.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: I think that's the way of saying it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I love that truck.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I saw one here and I'm looking at it and
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, it's so good. Like it's the
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: perfect size yep, like thirty five. I mean it has
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: hydraulic chouances. Yep, it has all of this stuff. And
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the dream. That's what we've all been
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: trying to that's what everybody's been asking for forever.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Actory I got this Multimatic one.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Oh man, yeah, GM loan we won for a week,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: and I just thought, okay, yeah, I'll just check it
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: out as whatever.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I fell in love with that truck.
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: It's a great daily driver, super comfortable. The only thing
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: that worries me on that truck is that engine is
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: high strung. I mean, to get that to get three
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: hundred plus horsepower out of a four cylinder, it's like
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: it is they're ringing its neck. But everybody's doing that
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: today though.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: Two point seven leaders that's like that's a coke can
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: more than the Mercedes engine that gets the same I
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: guess like it's I don't know.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: It's just I hear it.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: I hear yet.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: So that's the only and it's just too early to know.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: They might end up being totally reliable. I just like,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: if you're getting more than one hundred horsepower per leader,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: like you're you're stretching it. Yeah, Whereas like the Quartermaster
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: is three leaders at two hundred eighty horse or two
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy horse power, so it's not working.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I never I never really feel the need
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: for more power in that car. I mean, they make
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: a Grenadier with a twin terribov eight. It's called a
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: g wagon.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: Exactly what I what I found though, is I love
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: horsepower or car nut? I love it.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: I had a cheap Wrangler three ninety two. It was
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: an incredible vehicle, but it was super fast and power.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: Fun, But you just don't but that's it though. You
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: don't need it, yeah, Like you definitely don't need it
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: on an overland trip. You don't need it on a trail.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: As long as you have enough horsepower that you can
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: pass a semi going up a hill somewhere, you're good.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: To go. I don't.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like I feel like too much horsepower
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: for overlanding it's a burden because you start using too
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: much fuel.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the range issue becomes a big problem.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: You're gonna break something because now you're stepping on the
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: gas on the trail on an obstacle and you might
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: put a little too much foot in it and you're
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: gonna break something, which you don't want to do.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Right, So, I don't know.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: I think there's I don't know what the right number
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: there is. I think it's right run around three hundred
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: and three hundred and fifty. I think too much horsepower
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: is not a is not a good thing. Although that's
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: a car guy saying it hurts my soul to say that.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: But I but for overland daily drive, horsepower is so easy.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: I'm a car nut too, and I'm like less and
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: less concerned with the horsepower in the vehicle because pretty
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: much everything these days moves.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: And if you want something, if.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: You just want like sheer speed, buy an electric car.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, you know, the the V eight
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: is like a dinosaur now. The internal combustion engine like,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I like him, I like carburetors. I like this stuff,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: but like go drive, go drive a Rivian, Go drive
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: a Rivian.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Are crazy, like still like almost make it blackout.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: It's so fast it's insane.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: And I've got a buddy Shaheen that has one and
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: he took it to the dunes in Michigan because he's
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: living in Detroit now and he's like on the drag
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: strip in the sand dunes thing like the only guy
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: that could beat him had like a super tuned Diesel
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: with paddle tires, and he's like, if you put like
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: a sand.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Tire, like a paddle tire in this thing, insane.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: It would be like, I mean, how are they not?
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Where are those videos coming out of out of like
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: the UAE Versaudi with like you know they do the
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: patrols where they go like up the crazy big sand
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: duns in the empty quarter.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: Imagine that with a Rivian. It would just be too easy, right.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I drove an RNs and the dunes in California was awesome. Yeah,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: that's a great truck.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: So we do the Trail Recon summit in Texas every
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: year and there's been a gentleman that come out every
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: year with a Rivian and so he's doing the.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Moderate trails.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: They're pretty technical trails, and I was just like, I
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: was like, did today I want to follow you. I
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: just want to spend some time behind you and watch
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: that thing and watching that go through obstacles and how
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: much clearance it has underneath.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I was so impressed with sixteen.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: It's incredible and like the trash control just it was
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: like he was effortless going through some stuff. And I
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: was like, I don't want an electric vehicle, but if
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: I did, that's probably the one I would watch.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: You know, we'll tell us about the Trailer Recon Summit.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, so that's been something we've been doing for four years.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: There's a place called Marris Adventure Park in Texas, just
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: outside of Amarillo, and it's in the Paladore Canyon, which
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: is the second largest canyon in the United States. And
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: we went out there and just met the people that
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: own the place and they're like, you want to do
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: an event out here?
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: I was like, man, I would love to. I would
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: love to do an event out there. And so it's
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: very small's amazing.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: This year we're only gonna have about one hundred vehicles,
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: trying to keep it pretty small, but it's trail runs.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: So we do there's five groups. There's an easy group,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: three moderate groups, and one technical group, and they go
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: we do go trail runs all day and then we
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: come back and then you know, sit around campfire kind
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: of like we're doing here and and the ranch and
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: just have good camaraderie experiences, bring people together, let people
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: share their stories. You know, we'll get up there and
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: talk about some things we do pot like, which is
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: probably the highlight of them.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: It's fun.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: So it's just it's a blast. It's Texas isn't close,
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: so we got to drive to make it happen. But
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: it's a good it's a good yeah, but.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Texas is close for a lot of people.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like for all the folks that maybe
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: are on the East Coast and Midwest that want to
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: have that experience in that community.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: That makes it a lot more accessible for them.
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm honored that we're going to be doing.
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: And what time of year do you do that? October?
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: October? Okay, yeah cool? So where can people find out
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: more about this event that you're doing.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: If you go to my profile trailer recon profile on Instagram,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: there's a link right there that you can go learn
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: about it and buy tickets if you want to come.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: We love to have people there. So man, it's October.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know if we're doing anything.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: We might have to come hang out. It's some barbecue totally.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: It's you know, Brad, you should be really proud of
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: everything that you've accomplished. It's impressive to see not only
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: the scope of trips that you've done, how many people
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: you've inspired. And this is one of the takeaways that
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I've had anybody I've ever talked to about you or
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: your group or the content that you do, I've never
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: heard anything but positive feedback. So you should. It's hard
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: to do that in the world. It's hard to have
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: a successful YouTube channel and a big audience and not
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  Speaker 2: have a bunch of people that are hating on you.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, what's this guy like, he's really nice,
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  Speaker 4: but he's your YouTube channel. He can't be nice. No,
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: he's really nice.
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  Speaker 2: You're genuinely a great human being. You've had an incredible
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: career in the military. You've done so much to inspire
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: people to get out there on the trails, and I
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  Speaker 2: just have to say, I mean, we're just super honored
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  Speaker 2: to have had you on the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, Hilary, I'm all very very kind words, but right
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  Speaker 3: back at you, because you guys are doing the same thing,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: So keep doing We're doing that you guys have you
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: guys have shared a lot of knowledge with me. I'm like,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: listen because I'll batch listen to this podcast when I'm
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: on the road and I'm like, oh, that's so good.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: That's so good.
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  Speaker 4: So you guys keep doing what you Usually.
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  Speaker 2: When we have Dave harton on is when the real
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  Speaker 2: gems come out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, I'm on to uh to to do
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  Speaker 3: what I do and uh and and thankful that so
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  Speaker 3: many people want to.
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  Speaker 4: Follow along on our adventure.
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  Speaker 2: And how do people follow you?
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Just just go watch it on YouTube. That's the best
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: place to go. And check us out on trail ricone.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, cool, Well, thanks for joining us for this episode
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: of the Overlain Journal podcast.
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  Speaker 4: We can't wait to have you listen to the next one.
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  Speaker 4: So take care.