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The Kenny Report | 25 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Ross Tonight the extraordinary singular power that Pauline Hansen
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  Speaker 2: has to choose her own successor. Plus more exclusive insights
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  Speaker 2: from the Fight for the Right. Climate and Energy Minister
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  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen shows his ignorance as the nation faces a
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  Speaker 2: power crunch from data centers. Shadow Energy Minister Dan Tian
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  Speaker 2: joins me. Tough new laws in Queensland to send bail
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  Speaker 2: breaches to jail. Corrective Services Minister Laura Gerber on that issue,
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  Speaker 2: A view from the front line in Israel's North where
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  Speaker 2: Hezbollah rockets make life a living hell. Plus Kristen Tate
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  Speaker 2: in the US and Susian Stephen on the Greens and
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  Speaker 2: the politics of abuse. We've talked about it a bit,
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  Speaker 2: and tonight you get to see our new News twenty
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  Speaker 2: four documentary, The Fight for the Right. We're living through
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  Speaker 2: unprecedented political upheaval. When I first voted in federal elections,
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  Speaker 2: the major parties accounted for more than ninety three percent
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  Speaker 2: of first preference votes. More than nine in every ten
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  Speaker 2: people voted for either Labor or the Coalition. Even just
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  Speaker 2: twenty years ago at the end of the Howard era,
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  Speaker 2: the combined vote for the major parties was eighty five percent.
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  Speaker 2: Last year it was sixty five percent, less than two thirds,
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  Speaker 2: and now, according to the latest polls, Labor and the
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  Speaker 2: Coalition combined are attracting less than half of the vote.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's vote has been shrinking, but on the right of center,
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  Speaker 2: the rise of One Nation has split the vote and
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  Speaker 2: crushed the coalition. This is perhaps the most significant development
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  Speaker 2: in our electoral politics since the Labour split of the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen fifties that helped keep Labor out of power, and
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  Speaker 2: so it could be for the right of center parties.
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  Speaker 2: In the documentary, Pauline Hanson responded to the proposition that
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  Speaker 2: her party's rise could actually help Labor in the upcoming
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  Speaker 2: Victorian election.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I don't believe that, right. It's up to people
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  Speaker 3: out there. If you want to get rid of Labor,
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  Speaker 3: then you vote One Nation number one, and then you
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  Speaker 3: put Libs number two. So that's a fallacy that everyone's
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  Speaker 3: putting out there. Oh, you're going to hand it back
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  Speaker 3: to the Labor Party. No, I'll tell you something. The
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  Speaker 3: Libs by themselves will not win government in this state.
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  Speaker 3: They will not And if One Nation wasn't here, they'd
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  Speaker 3: be handed straight back to the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 2: In the fight for the right, we hear from key
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  Speaker 2: political voices, but also from many voters. The people driving
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  Speaker 2: this change explain why they've shifted their votes, and the
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  Speaker 2: One Nation converts don't look or sound how many might expect.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think of her? How would you summer
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  Speaker 2: up for the Australian population.
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  Speaker 4: She's a right candidate for prime minister. He's the one
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  Speaker 4: who can get Australia in the right direction, and she
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  Speaker 4: can get Australia back in the order days which.
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  Speaker 2: It's used to be. Do you voted for That doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter if you offend him. We voted for one Nation,
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  Speaker 2: so you voted for Davian Parling. Tell me about why
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  Speaker 2: you voted for one Nation.
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  Speaker 5: We just felt that the govern need to shift into
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  Speaker 5: a little bit different direction or we'll need to be
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  Speaker 5: going that way. We've got a small business so we
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  Speaker 5: need people going to help support small business.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't think the Liberal Party or the National Party
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition would help small business. Not at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think of calling Hanson?
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  Speaker 6: I think she's graved.
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  Speaker 2: I'm surely this quiet political revolution unfolding in the regions
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  Speaker 2: is a lot more volatile in our major cities. The
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  Speaker 2: animosity towards Hanson is similar to what we saw almost
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  Speaker 2: thirty years ago, and the One Nation founder and leader
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  Speaker 2: shows considerable courage and resilience. Do you fear for your
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  Speaker 2: personal safety? Why not?
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  Speaker 3: I don't fear for it. I'm concerned and certain parts
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  Speaker 3: areas that I won't go in certain parts of Australia
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  Speaker 3: by all means. But that's that's not unlike many other Australians,
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  Speaker 3: good places.
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  Speaker 2: Of this in this country. You won't go where.
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  Speaker 3: Streets of Melbourne here you see every time I come
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  Speaker 3: down here the protest and you see it. You've seen
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  Speaker 3: it on the streets here. The viciousness, the nastiness, we've
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  Speaker 3: seen that, you know, and they called them last time
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  Speaker 3: I was here death.
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  Speaker 7: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Despite this antipathy, despite at tax from the major parties,
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  Speaker 2: Handsome keeps marching on. But while she's now talking about
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  Speaker 2: the possibility of One Nation being a party of government
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  Speaker 2: in Victoria and nationally, she styles herself as the anti politic.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not just politician. I am this Australian you're talking
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  Speaker 3: about me. This is my grassroots, this is where I
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  Speaker 3: was born, this is my country. This is not the
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  Speaker 3: country that I grew up in. And if I don't
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  Speaker 3: speak up, who.
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  Speaker 2: Else is now? One fact that I'm certain many voters
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  Speaker 2: are not aware of is the extraordinary lack of internal
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  Speaker 2: democracy within One Nation. All power for now resides with Hanson.
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  Speaker 2: Rule four point three two point one of the One
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  Speaker 2: Nation Constitution declares that, upon resigning from the position of President,
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Lee Hanson shall appoint her successor to become the
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  Speaker 2: next president of the party. That's it. Hanson chooses her successor.
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  Speaker 2: No party vote, no national executive decision, just Pauline Hansen
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  Speaker 2: hand picking her successor. You get to choose your successor.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to know who your successor will be.
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  Speaker 3: But I can't tell you because I haven't chosen. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere for a while, so so just
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  Speaker 3: wait and.
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  Speaker 2: Say, is that going to be Barnaby Joyce or Lee Hanson? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: God, it could be someone else out there, couldn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you tell me.
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  Speaker 3: There you go. No, I'm not telling you anything because
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  Speaker 3: that decision hasn't been made. And as I said, people
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  Speaker 3: have alluded to the fact, or the media have alluded
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  Speaker 3: to that's my daughter, and I'll tell you what, that's
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  Speaker 3: not the case. She has to prove herself. Barnaby's only
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  Speaker 3: been with the party for eight months, so why would
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  Speaker 3: I say give it to Barnaby?
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  Speaker 2: So couldn't you just write it in an envelope and
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  Speaker 2: put it in a safe so that if you got
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  Speaker 2: to hit by a.
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  Speaker 3: Bus it's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, no, wonder everyone else in the party is
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  Speaker 2: so nice to Pauline Hanson, so deferential it is, after
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  Speaker 2: all her show. Has she reached her zenith? Is it
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  Speaker 2: all downhill from here? Or is the One Nations story
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  Speaker 2: about to write new chapters? Tune in tonight at seven o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: Many thanks to my executive producer, Richard Andrews, who's done
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful job. It's been terrific to work on and
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to share it with you tonight at
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  Speaker 2: seven o'clock. I've got to tell you about something that
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  Speaker 2: helps to explain why this country is in so much trouble,
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  Speaker 2: why so many people are misinformed and ignorant, and therefore
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  Speaker 2: why they vote for fools and Charlatan's. I'm about to
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  Speaker 2: quote to you from this year eleven geography textbook used
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  Speaker 2: in New South Wales schools and possibly in other states
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  Speaker 2: as well. This is where children are supposed to learn
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  Speaker 2: facts about the earth and the environment that they live in,
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  Speaker 2: but instead they're fed propaganda, pure political opinion that happens
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  Speaker 2: to be completely wrong. This book says the Murdoch owned
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  Speaker 2: media outlets are however, not alone in promoting climate change denialism.
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  Speaker 2: Sydney's most commercially successful AM radio station, two GB is
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  Speaker 2: well known for promoting far right political causes in the
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  Speaker 2: search for advertising revenue, and on it goes, ranting about
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  Speaker 2: shock jocks and railing against the coal industry and all
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  Speaker 2: the rest of it. This is embarrassingly dumb stuff and
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  Speaker 2: ignorant political rant dressed up as education for our kids.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, anything that's not green left apparently is far right,
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  Speaker 2: and anything that points out the factual, scientifically provable idiocy
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  Speaker 2: of pretending that Australia can change the global climate is
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  Speaker 2: apparently climate change denial. I'm indebted to Ben Fordham at
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  Speaker 2: two GB for putting us onto this, and I'd like
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  Speaker 2: a full copy of this book, but I haven't been
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  Speaker 2: able to get one online today. I did, however, find
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  Speaker 2: this example of the climate alarmism. It contains under the
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  Speaker 2: heading Australia Burns. This book covers the bushfires over the
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  Speaker 2: summer of twenty nineteen twenty and says the fires became
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  Speaker 2: the center of a public debate about the relationships between
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  Speaker 2: climate change and the growing incidence and severity of fire
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  Speaker 2: and drought in Australia. Well, that's just wrong. That's the propaganda.
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  Speaker 2: As I've detailed here time and again, the bushfires are
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  Speaker 2: no more extensive or common than they've been in the past,
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  Speaker 2: and all the science says there is no increase in
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  Speaker 2: the incidence or severity of droughts in Australia. So these
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  Speaker 2: people are pushing lies onto our children, and they're attacking
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  Speaker 2: their perceived ideological enemies in the media. And here we
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  Speaker 2: were thinking our children were being educated. The authors of
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  Speaker 2: this book are Grant Kleman, David Hamper, and Helen Rhodes.
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  Speaker 2: If your kids have the book, check it out and
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  Speaker 2: complain to your school. They're letting your kids down. Now
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  Speaker 2: I've got to apologize for this next little segment in advance.
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  Speaker 2: I'm about to show you how your tax dollars fund
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  Speaker 2: imbeciles in the Senate. Sadly, some of our politicians actually
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  Speaker 2: campaign against the national interest rather than improve the place.
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  Speaker 2: Have a look at Green's senator for Tasmania, Nick McKim,
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  Speaker 2: blowing up at Victorian comedian Dave Hughes just because Hughes
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  Speaker 2: he dares to air sensible political points of view.
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  Speaker 8: So Dave Hughes has been in my comments again, this
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  Speaker 8: time spouting absolute rubbish about the NDIS. Let's get a
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  Speaker 8: couple of things straight here, hughsy.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's actually McKim who needs to get things straight.
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  Speaker 2: Hughes is right, the fraudsters and thieves are ripping billions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars every year out of the NDIS. But instead
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  Speaker 2: of dealing with that policy failure, McKim verbel's Hughes pretends
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  Speaker 2: he's criticizing disabled people and then launches an incoherent rant
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  Speaker 2: about Orcus and the gas industry and what he calls
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  Speaker 2: rich landlord pricks. It's like this bloke has a teenage
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  Speaker 2: rebel mind trapped in the body of a middle aged man.
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  Speaker 2: But it gets better or worse. Really listen to what
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  Speaker 2: this senator offers in place of reasoned argument.
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  Speaker 8: So my message to you, hughsy is this, Firstly, get
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  Speaker 8: absolutely Secondly, stop punching down on disabled people. And thirdly,
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  Speaker 8: stop spreading misinformation and maybe actually write a few funny
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  Speaker 8: jokes while you're at it.
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  Speaker 2: This is crass abuse masquerading as debate, and we pay
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  Speaker 2: for this bloke. We fund this foul nonsense. It's an
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  Speaker 2: insult to democracy. As for funny jokes, while it's clear
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  Speaker 2: the jokes on us and it's not very funny, you
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  Speaker 2: gotta laugh at the ABC. They're just so transparent. Last night,
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  Speaker 2: Four Corners did one of their so called in depth reports,
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  Speaker 2: always complete with scary music and plenty of left of
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  Speaker 2: centered voices. This time their target was political lobbyists.
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  Speaker 9: Lobbying has been part of the Australian political landscape for decades,
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  Speaker 9: but critics say that never before have there been so
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  Speaker 9: many lobbyists with so much access to decision makers and
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  Speaker 9: so much influence over policy.
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  Speaker 1: Inside the People's House.
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  Speaker 9: Hundreds of unelected representatives have privileged access to those who
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  Speaker 9: make the country's laws.
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  Speaker 2: All those faceless lobbyists. He well, A wise student of
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  Speaker 2: the ABC contacted me yesterday and pointed out that this
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  Speaker 2: story was coming. I hadn't seen the promos and anyway,
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  Speaker 2: this wise person predicted correctly that the ABC would fail
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  Speaker 2: to mention one of the most prominent and well known
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  Speaker 2: lobbyists in Canberra, and sure enough, Ben Oaquist did not
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  Speaker 2: rate a mention. The longtime chief of staff to Green's
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  Speaker 2: leader Bob Brown, former head of the hard left think
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  Speaker 2: tank the Australia Institute, and now professional lobbyist who is
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  Speaker 2: married to Green's senator Sarah Hanson Young, Well he didn't
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  Speaker 2: get a mention in the ABC's big expos on lobbyists.
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  Speaker 2: Ah the ABC. They are so predictable, aren't they. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: Oaquist lobbied them not to include him, or maybe the
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  Speaker 2: ABC just figured that green left lobbyists pushing for more
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  Speaker 2: renewable energy deals are not the sort of lobbyists they oppose.
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  Speaker 2: We pay for this propaganda. There are reports in The
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  Speaker 2: Australian today that, rather than being extended, the Royal Commission
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  Speaker 2: into Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion will wrap up two
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  Speaker 2: days early. The Australian says the Royal Commission has called
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  Speaker 2: the majority of the witnesses set down for its ninth
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  Speaker 2: and final hearing block on Social Cohesion, with the remainder
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  Speaker 2: on track to be called today and tomorrow. Despite setting
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  Speaker 2: aside the rest of the week for hearings. This is
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  Speaker 2: deeply troubling. This is the Royal Commission that Anthony Albanesi
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  Speaker 2: and the Labor government never wanted. It's supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: an inquiry into the due hatred that led to the
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  Speaker 2: Bondai terror attack, the worst terror atrocity in this nation's history.
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  Speaker 2: So when Labour were forced to back down and call
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  Speaker 2: the inquiry because of overwhelming public support for a royal commission,
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  Speaker 2: it looks like they set it up to fail. They
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  Speaker 2: wanted a quick, superficial inquiry looking at everything except the
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  Speaker 2: real problem, and that is the failure of the government
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  Speaker 2: and its agencies to act against the rising tide of
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitism, anti Zionism and Islamists extremism after October the seventh,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. This Royal Commission has given us many
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  Speaker 2: ole missions. Some that I'd point to are how it's
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  Speaker 2: not called the Prime Minister Antheina Albanisi, and it has
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  Speaker 2: not called the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, and that
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  Speaker 2: is not called shaik Ibrahim de Doun and other hate
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  Speaker 2: preachers who have celebrated violence and death against Jews and
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  Speaker 2: protested with threatening language against Israel over more than two
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  Speaker 2: years and it's not called Former Treasurer Josh Fredenberg, who
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  Speaker 2: led the charts for the Royal Commission to be established.
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  Speaker 2: This Royal Commission should be extended. That's what the nation deserves,
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  Speaker 2: That's what the fifteen victims of Bondai who are no
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  Speaker 2: longer with us deserve. If you want to see the
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  Speaker 2: Royal Commission extended, then please jump onto change dot org
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  Speaker 2: and look up this petition started by Marni paul Stein,
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  Speaker 2: a friend of this show. Extend the Royal Commission are
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  Speaker 2: the first words. Get onto this petition. Over five thousand
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  Speaker 2: signatures are there so far, but we need to get
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  Speaker 2: that number much much higher and make the government listen. Now,
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  Speaker 2: there are warnings today that will run short of electricity
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  Speaker 2: even sooner than expected because of the high energy demands
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  Speaker 2: of large data centers. But don't worry. The Climate and
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  Speaker 2: Energy Minister Chris Bowen says it's all going to be okay.
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  Speaker 10: That's why we're requiring new data centers to bring our
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  Speaker 10: own new renewal energy backed by gas firming. That's a sensible,
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  Speaker 10: common sense approach. You alternative which is being promoted by
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  Speaker 10: the federal Liberal Party and the Queensland government which see
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  Speaker 10: prices go up.
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  Speaker 2: This blow warning about electricity price rises the goal of
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  Speaker 2: the man. He's the one who promised to cut them
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  Speaker 2: by two hundred and seventy five dollars a year. They've
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  Speaker 2: gone up by about four times that amount. They've skyrocketed.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to the shadow energy Minister, Dan Tea and
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  Speaker 2: who joins us from Victoria. Good to talk to you. Dan.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really worried about this because a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: future in the economy and AI depends on data centers.
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  Speaker 2: We should be screaming out for this investment in this country.
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  Speaker 2: They should be able to use electricity that's available here.
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  Speaker 2: But instead we're saying if they to get here first,
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  Speaker 2: they've got to build a whole lot of windmills and
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  Speaker 2: batteries and gas fired backup. It's only going to scare
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  Speaker 2: off the investment, isn't it. Of course it is.
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  Speaker 11: Chris, And I've got to say here in your introduction
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  Speaker 11: there is so hard to keep a straight face when
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  Speaker 11: you hear Chris Bowen speak. Now, I mean for him
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  Speaker 11: to be same, keep downward pressure on electricity prices. This
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  Speaker 11: is the ideological approach we need to take. When he
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  Speaker 11: promised two hundred and seventy five dollars didn't deliver it,
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  Speaker 11: and we've seen electricity bills rise by forty percent on
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  Speaker 11: average under his stewardship. And we've got two hundred and
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  Speaker 11: forty thousand people in energy hardship and it's growing. I mean,
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  Speaker 11: the best thing that could happen for AI and data
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  Speaker 11: centers is that Chris Bowen just steps aside and just
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  Speaker 11: says let the states do it, because Queensland the Northern
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  Speaker 11: Territory have the right approach. Let's use energy abundance that
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  Speaker 11: we have in this station, use our resources and attract them,
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  Speaker 11: get them in the right places, and let's capitalize on
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  Speaker 11: a industry which is going to provide the jobs of
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  Speaker 11: the future for our young people.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it is we ought to be welcoming investors.
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  Speaker 2: Investors ought to be able to come here and expect
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  Speaker 2: to be able to plug into a stable, reliable grid
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  Speaker 2: instead as byo renewable energy and it's just a face. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: in the United States, the big investors in data centers
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  Speaker 2: are actually funding the development of nuclear power in order
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  Speaker 2: to supply their energy and clean energy for others in
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  Speaker 2: the area. I want to go to a former labor
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  Speaker 2: minister now in Joel Fitzgibbon, who was on News twenty
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  Speaker 2: four today, a former labor minister, remember, and he was
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  Speaker 2: backing in this opportunity for funding nuclear energy. Have a look, and.
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  Speaker 12: We've got this enormous demand now coming on our energy
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  Speaker 12: system and if we don't have sovereign capability in data
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  Speaker 12: centers here, and we are in real trouble as a
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  Speaker 12: country economically and otherwise. So things have changed and it
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  Speaker 12: makes absolute sense to turn to nuclear energy to fix
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  Speaker 12: that problem. In fact, it's the only way realistically. This
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  Speaker 12: idea that we can just build more windmills and lay
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  Speaker 12: more solar penalties is just nuts, right.
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  Speaker 2: He's spot in his spot on, isn't he down? I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is the opportunity if you want the private sector
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  Speaker 2: to fund nuclear energy, this is the great opportunity. The
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  Speaker 2: data centers could fund that instead of more windmills.
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely, And we've got the uranium. We've got the resource
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  Speaker 11: here in Australia. We've got thirty percent of the world's uranium.
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  Speaker 11: We'll send it to India. And you'll remember the Prime
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  Speaker 11: Minister made a great, great song and dance about having
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  Speaker 11: done that and signed an agreement. Recently, we send it
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  Speaker 11: to the US, we send it to Europe, yet we
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  Speaker 11: won't use it ourselves. And it's all due to Chris
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  Speaker 11: Bowen's ideology and it's not working his capacity investment scheme.
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  Speaker 11: Secret documents last week revealed nine big wind farms have
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  Speaker 11: fallen over. We don't know why because they keep it
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  Speaker 11: all secret. But there's numerous others that can't get to
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  Speaker 11: that final investment decision because it's becoming more and more
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  Speaker 11: expensive and they can't afford to build them anymore. So
• 21:11
  Speaker 11: we're going into energy scarcity in this country. When we've
• 21:15
  Speaker 11: got all the energy resources we need to power these
• 21:19
  Speaker 11: data centers, AI manufacturing, you know, we wouldn't have to
• 21:23
  Speaker 11: be bailing out tom Ago, just use the resources we have.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: It is incredible. Chris Bowen likes to pretend that he's
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: a modern man, but he seems like a luddite. Listen
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: to him here on nuclear energy.
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: I mean, these data centers are coming now. A nuclear
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: power station takes twenty years. And I see mister Tan
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: out there talking about small modulary actors. There isn't a
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: small modulary actor operating anywhere in the world outside China
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: and Russia nowhere. So this is a this is a
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: pipe dram. We're focused on the practical, common sense reality,
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: which is renewables back by gas confirming.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that backward country of China that burns all of
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: our coal. Tell us how wrong he is on how
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: long it takes to get a nuclear reactive built. Well.
• 22:08
  Speaker 11: Bill Gates is investing heavily in small moduor actors. He
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: wants to make them economic, and he is determined to
• 22:16
  Speaker 11: have them up and running by twenty thirty twenty thirty one. Now,
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: why don't we just lift the ban if it works,
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: If you have AI data centers wanting to come here
• 22:27
  Speaker 11: and put small modul reactors in place, what's Chris Bowen
• 22:31
  Speaker 11: got to hide? I mean they are amissions free. I
• 22:33
  Speaker 11: mean he'll fly to Fiji and two Valu. He'll spend
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: seventy million on the event, two million on broadcasting it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 11: And yet here's an opportunity uranium. We have the resource.
• 22:45
  Speaker 11: It's a mission free. If you can put small major
• 22:48
  Speaker 11: actors in place, Just lift the ban. And let's see
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: if just Perpector wants to do it, what's got what's
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: he got to lose?
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: One?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Have we got just the ban, just lift the band.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us down. I appreciatively in there in
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the wonderful Western Victoria there with the Grampians in the background.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I want to go to Queenstown.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Look at the youth crime crisis is an issue of
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: course in all states, but Queensland has led the way
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: with adult crime adult time laws and now they're tackling
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: an increasing number of offenders committing crimes while on bail.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Again a problem right around the country. They've drafted new
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: breach bail go to jail laws. Here's the latterest from
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: nine News.
• 23:26
  Speaker 7: The Premiere at Parliament with his pitch prepared.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: The bail system in Queensland's broken.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: It needs reform and we are going to deliver that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: Chris Phlie's Cabinet ticking off breach bail go to jail laws.
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: The bill to be put to Parliament will create a
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: new offense for breaching bail for youth offenders with a
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: mandatory minimum jail term. What it won't do is force
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: all bail breakers directly to jail. A judge will still
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: decide whether a bail breaker should be locked up immediately,
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: but if they are eventually found guilty of breaching bail,
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: they will spend a minimum mandatory period behind bar.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Let's go live to Queensland and that state's corrective services
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Minister Laura Gerber. Thanks for joining us, Sir Laura. Strong
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: new laws, but in the end you're going to rely
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: on judges to impose these penalties. Are you're confident that
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: this will make a difference.
• 24:17
  Speaker 13: Yeah, well, good evening, Chris.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:19
  Speaker 13: So we're introducing a brand new offense for breaching bail.
• 24:24
  Speaker 13: We're making it apply to both adults and youths. So
• 24:27
  Speaker 13: if an adult or a youth is given the privilege
• 24:30
  Speaker 13: of bail and they breach it with a serious offense
• 24:33
  Speaker 13: or an adult crime adult time events, they will face
• 24:36
  Speaker 13: a minimum mandatory period of twelve months behind bars.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: We're doing this reform.
• 24:41
  Speaker 13: It is one of the most significant reforms to Queensland's
• 24:44
  Speaker 13: bow laws in the nation. And we're doing these reforms
• 24:47
  Speaker 13: because for too long Queenslanders have suffered under Labour's broken
• 24:51
  Speaker 13: bow laws. They've suffered under a youth crime crisis, and
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: they've been calling for change. We've seen people die as
• 24:57
  Speaker 13: a result of offenders out on bar and Queensland is
• 25:01
  Speaker 13: quite frankly, have had a gut full of Labour's week laws.
• 25:04
  Speaker 13: So we're this week in Parliament we're introducing our strong
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: new Bow laws.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I would have thought that most people would welcome laws
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: like this. I mean, this is what people understand bail
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: to be. You're given it on the condition that you
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: don't reoffend. And we've seen so many offenses around the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: country by people on bail. I imagine a lot of
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: other state governments around the country will be watching what
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: you do there very very closely, because if it works,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: they want to replicate it. Surely.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're exactly right, Chris.
• 25:35
  Speaker 13: I mean, bail is absolutely a privilege, and we're not
• 25:38
  Speaker 13: talking about first time offenders here. We're talking about offenders,
• 25:41
  Speaker 13: both youth offenders and adult offenders who have committed a
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: serious crime, appear before the courts and get the privilege
• 25:48
  Speaker 13: of bail and then go on to commit another serious offense.
• 25:52
  Speaker 13: They should go straight to jail. They have breached the
• 25:56
  Speaker 13: privilege of bail and they should go straight to jail,
• 25:58
  Speaker 13: which is why we're doing a me a trymentment period.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Of twelve months.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Now you're and we're.
• 26:03
  Speaker 13: Building on our strong laws of adult crime adult time
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: with this, I mean adult crime. Adult Time was introduced
• 26:09
  Speaker 13: in twenty twenty four when we first came into government,
• 26:12
  Speaker 13: and so this is the next stage of adult crime
• 26:14
  Speaker 13: adult time to tackle bail crime. Adult time laws has
• 26:17
  Speaker 13: already seen it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, sorry to cut you off, but it's been
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: a huge issue. There was a big issue in the
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: lead up to the election and David chris A fully
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: promised that he would resign as Premier if he couldn't
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: reduce the number of victims of crime in Queensland. How
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: are you going so far on those statistics?
• 26:38
  Speaker 13: Yeah, well, police start right now shows that there's been
• 26:41
  Speaker 13: a nine point six percent reduction in victims of crime
• 26:45
  Speaker 13: in Queensland. But we're coming off such a high base, crease,
• 26:48
  Speaker 13: let's not forget over the last decade, victims of crime
• 26:51
  Speaker 13: in Queensland rose one hundred and ninety three percent under
• 26:55
  Speaker 13: the Labor government. That was absolutely shocking and quite rightly,
• 26:59
  Speaker 13: Queensland has had a gut full of those weak laws
• 27:02
  Speaker 13: and our adult crime adult time laws has also seen
• 27:04
  Speaker 13: a reduction in serious youth offenders. So that's gone down
• 27:08
  Speaker 13: twenty nine percent after years of it going up under Labor.
• 27:12
  Speaker 13: In fact, it went up sixty four percent under the
• 27:15
  Speaker 13: previous Labor government. So we're starting to see the impact
• 27:18
  Speaker 13: of our strong laws and that's why we're building on
• 27:20
  Speaker 13: it with the next phase of adult crime, adult time,
• 27:23
  Speaker 13: with these strong bail laws to reform Labour's broken bow laws.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Laura, I appreciate it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Laura Gerber there, who's the Corrective Services Minister in Queenslam,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: will watch those laws and those crime statistics very closely
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: because if they can work in Queensland, they can work
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: right around this country. We're going to take a break
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: on the other side. We're going to get a view
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: from the front line in Israel's north where Hezbala Rockets
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: make life for living hell. Just before we go on
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: with the program, some breaking news speaking about bail breaching laws,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I can tell you that the Northern Territory Police have
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: charged the Federal Member for Solomon Luke Gosling with one
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: count of breach of bail. You remember that on the
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: thirty first of July, mister Gosling appeared before the Darwin
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Local Court where he applied to vary his bail conditions
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: in relayed in relation to that alleged assault on the
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: administrator of the Northern Territory back on July the eighteenth.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Now it's alleged that mister Gosling breached the bail conditions
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: on the fourteenth of August, and today he was served
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: with the summons to appear in the Darwin Local Court
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: again on the thirtieth of September. So there you go.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Federal Member for Solomon Luke Gosling now charged with a
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: breach of bail. Be more on that story on News
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: twenty four as it progresses. Now I want to get
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: onto this issue, and we hear a lot about the
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza, which is extreme, of course,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: thanks to Hamas's determination to use terrorism and extend the
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: war with Israel despite the horrific human cost. But in
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the north of Israel there are Israeli communities who have
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: either had to evacuate for months on end or bunker
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: down in the face of constant rocket attacks from Hezbollah
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: to their north in southern Lebanon. Visiting Australia from that
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: war zone is Leat Cohen Reviv, who joins me in
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the studio right now. Good to talk to you again.
• 29:22
  Speaker 14: Leott Oh, thank you for having me.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I was great I was at an event on the
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: weekend where you spoke, and I thought it's important to
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: tell the story of the internal refugees in Israel that
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: too few people around the world hear about, and that
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: is because of these constant rocket bombardsments in the north
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: of Israel. Whole communities either have to evacuate or live
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: in Perilan. That's where you live. Tell us about what
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: you experience.
• 29:49
  Speaker 14: Well, I'm actually very lucky to be here, you know,
• 29:53
  Speaker 14: invaded by weitsa who's doing a wonderful job. And I
• 29:57
  Speaker 14: had the pleasure of sharing some of that story with
• 29:59
  Speaker 14: the other and that we you know, at the event
• 30:02
  Speaker 14: that we attended together. So first I would say that
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: living in Matula, I mean I think that if you
• 30:07
  Speaker 14: open the map and look it up north is community
• 30:10
  Speaker 14: in Israel surrounded by a Lebanese border, it's seventy two
• 30:12
  Speaker 14: percent of its fans. So that's a reality that we
• 30:14
  Speaker 14: have to deal with. I do have to say that
• 30:17
  Speaker 14: I will feel more comfortable not using refugees when you
• 30:19
  Speaker 14: talk about you know, Israelis that are moving within Israel.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Because it has to make different facuate the hymes and
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: style wife for months.
• 30:28
  Speaker 14: Definitely, you have to uproot yourself. And this is not
• 30:31
  Speaker 14: a logistic kind of matter. You have to understand that
• 30:34
  Speaker 14: when you have to move not willingly and then do
• 30:37
  Speaker 14: it for two years, you actually tear up your roots,
• 30:40
  Speaker 14: your connections, your network, your agency, replacing that with uncertainty
• 30:45
  Speaker 14: and a lot of questions and whatnot. So that was
• 30:47
  Speaker 14: and still is in many ways a very difficult situation.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: How many people have had to do that over the
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: past three years.
• 30:53
  Speaker 14: Ah, so from the north of Israel about one hundred
• 30:56
  Speaker 14: thousand people, which is a significant number, and then another
• 31:00
  Speaker 14: fifty thousand have actually lived lived the area on their own,
• 31:04
  Speaker 14: you know agency because.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Of how dangerous has it been. What has life been like?
• 31:11
  Speaker 14: Well, you know, it shifted. It's been three years. So
• 31:17
  Speaker 14: some of the times it actually makes sense and it
• 31:19
  Speaker 14: was bearable, and some of the times it wasn't. At
• 31:21
  Speaker 14: some of the times, I don't want to be like
• 31:23
  Speaker 14: two extreme, but I would say it was like, you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 14: having a constant you constantly live with terror and with
• 31:33
  Speaker 14: attacks and with uncertainty, and from my house being surrounded
• 31:37
  Speaker 14: again by Lebanon from the east, from the north, and
• 31:39
  Speaker 14: from the west, it is literally a war zone. At
• 31:44
  Speaker 14: some point you feel like you are, Well, I don't know.
• 31:50
  Speaker 14: Let's say, if I think the easiest way is to
• 31:54
  Speaker 14: is to go into the most you know, simple matter
• 31:58
  Speaker 14: in metula, you can't live your house in certain times
• 32:02
  Speaker 14: because there isn't enough alert time because of the proximity
• 32:06
  Speaker 14: to the international border of where you know that rockets attacks, you.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Won't have time to get into a shelter.
• 32:12
  Speaker 14: Nothing that you can do, right, So, I've.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Been to some of those border communities and there's a
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: lot of houses that have actually been destroyed by rockets.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Most of the time people get into a shelter, so
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the casualty numbers are low.
• 32:26
  Speaker 14: Yeah. Can you imagine that we're having this conversation terrible?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: It is a terrible conversation.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. There's a phrase I heard
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: someone at it on the weekend. This will won't surprise you,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: but I think it's the most abhorrent phrase I've ever heard.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: It was talking about building rocket proof childcare centers. That
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: the fact that you have to build rocket proof childcare
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: centers tells it all.
• 32:49
  Speaker 14: And it also speaks to one of the biggest dilemma
• 32:52
  Speaker 14: in that borderline, right, what do you invest in? Do
• 32:56
  Speaker 14: you invest in managing the situation, the rip of of
• 33:01
  Speaker 14: that reality, or are you preventing that reality from being
• 33:04
  Speaker 14: your reality?
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 33:07
  Speaker 14: It's an ongoing dialogue and a lot of the citizens
• 33:10
  Speaker 14: in Israel who understand that the borderline is a civil story,
• 33:15
  Speaker 14: not just an ideaf you know, war story. It's a
• 33:18
  Speaker 14: story about communities that has resilience that are defining the
• 33:22
  Speaker 14: borders of this country, which is very little and small
• 33:26
  Speaker 14: to begin.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: With, you as put on that that is the story,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: and that's what the rest of us around the world
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: would be in all of Like why would you stay?
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you think this is too dangerous, We'll get
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: out of here. You can stay in the same country
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: and move south. So why is it the people want
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to stay and maintain their communities right on the front line.
• 33:45
  Speaker 14: I think in many ways growing up with that kind
• 33:48
  Speaker 14: of narrative, this is how you see yourself.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:51
  Speaker 14: I am a border kind of women, and I define
• 33:54
  Speaker 14: the borders of this country. And you know what, I
• 33:57
  Speaker 14: love this about my identity, about who I am, give
• 34:00
  Speaker 14: me purpose, It gives me reasons and whatnot. And then
• 34:03
  Speaker 14: when you know, I go on the balcony and I
• 34:05
  Speaker 14: look out on this country, very small country, the only
• 34:09
  Speaker 14: Jewish safe room in the world. Placed very challenged lewise
• 34:13
  Speaker 14: in the Middle East, but still it is so important.
• 34:16
  Speaker 14: It is a project that is still ongoing, and everybody
• 34:19
  Speaker 14: has its role.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: You know, the border people have their role. Great submit
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: your leet. Thanks so so much for sharing some of
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that with their views. I appreciate. Enjoy the rest of
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: your time in Australia.
• 34:29
  Speaker 14: Thank you so very much, and thank you for having.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Me Cohen revive their visiting from Israel. We got to
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: take a break. On the other side, we're going to
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: look at the US now putting more pressure on around
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: with new economic sanctions. We'll cross the Christian type in
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: the US, I'll get the Christian tide in the second
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: is the US looks the pressure around with new economic sanctions.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Here's the Treasury Secretary.
• 34:56
  Speaker 15: We are launching an economic onslought against around financial connections
• 35:01
  Speaker 15: around the globe. Let there be no ambiguity as to
• 35:04
  Speaker 15: the position of the United States. An economic engagement of
• 35:09
  Speaker 15: any kind with this murder's regime will expose those responsible
• 35:13
  Speaker 15: to the full reach of American power.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Now, as I put to Christian, this is back to
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: the future. America and its allies have been trying to
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: fool change in a run with economic sanctions for decades.
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I mean, look, this is, in my opinion,
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: a much smarter pressure point than another round of air
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: strikes Aroon's economy.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: It's already in terrible shape.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: And if you do have some leverage that doesn't involve
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: putting some American service members at risk, I mean, let's
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: use that. But there is one major credibility test here,
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: and that is China. China is obviously still Ron's biggest
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: oil customer, and.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: You know their reports.
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: That Chinese banking and financial institutions are not even included
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: in these sanctions.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Remains a big question here.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: The other thing is, obviously we don't want economic warfare
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: just as.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Another clothing pattern while we're waiting for the next escalation.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: We want this war to actually end, and of course
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: we want to prevent her On from getting a nuclear weapon.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: So if you can use this effectively, great, but that
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: remains to be seen.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Of course it's coupled with the ongoing block guide
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: of Iranian ports, so the economic damage on Iran could
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: be substantial, very very quickly, But it also relies on
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: support from other nations. He is more from the Treasury Secretary.
• 36:37
  Speaker 15: It is now a time for world leaders to make
• 36:40
  Speaker 15: a decision between prosperity and isolation, peace and terror, America
• 36:48
  Speaker 15: and Iran.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: The campaign we begin today.
• 36:51
  Speaker 15: Will gather forth with every day that follows, and it
• 36:54
  Speaker 15: will not end until this regime stands alone.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: This is a quick eal point, isn't it, Christian? How
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: much support the US can get from allies to enforced
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: economic sanctions on Iran, and especially even from rivals as
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: you mentioned, such as China.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I mean that's a big question mark here.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: We've already been facing pushback in the last few months
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: from some of our European allies when it comes to
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: helping us with the efforts. But look, the Trump administration,
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: they need to do something different than what they've been doing.
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: They are losing support for this war quickly in the
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: United States. The recent polls are showing only about thirty
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: one percent of Americans now support this war, and a
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: lot of that is because of communication from the administration
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: and just we want to know what the clear objectives
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: are and how we're going to reach those objectives, and
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: some of the messaging has been muddied.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me swing you out to the immigration debate. Obviously,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: with the border wall and stronger enforcement, Donald Trump has
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: subspedinancially fixed America's illegal migration problem. But I want to
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts on your northern neighbor, your near northern
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: neighbor in Canada, very similar economy to Australia as a
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: resources based economy, very similar background in immigration, a high
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: immigrant nation traditionally, but they've cut back dramatically on immigration
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: in recent years, even with a liberal, as you would say,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: or leftist government, and it's having the impact they wanted. Apparently,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: rent prices are going down, the housing crisis has been ease.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: It seems to me they might be showing Australia how
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: to go about this idea, this policy of reducing immigration.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is economics one oh one.
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: When there's last demand for housing, what do you know,
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: Housing prices come down. It's incredible. We've seen the same
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: thing here in the United States. When you flood a
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: city like Boston where I live with a bunch of
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: illegal immigrants, housing prices gone through the roof. And that's
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: what we've seen happening here in the last decade. It's
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: finally starting to get a little better now that we
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: have the Trump administration which has stopped illegal immigration into
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: the country and started deporting people who are here legally,
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: especially criminal illegal immigrants who have done violent crimes. But yes,
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: this is obviously a great way to reduce housing prices,
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: is you reduce the number of people seeking housing, primarily
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: illegal immigrants, and it makes life better for law abiding
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: residents in these countries who can now afford lower rents.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Now, if we want some lot of relief, we don't
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: have Kamala Harris, we can always go to the body.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: And so I want to have a look at this.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Let's go back a couple of years to this now
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  Speaker 2: infamous presidential debate, the total initiative relative to what we're
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: going to do with more border patrol and more assignum officers.
• 39:51
  Speaker 15: President Trump, I really don't know what he said at
• 39:53
  Speaker 15: the end of this, and I don't think he knows
• 39:55
  Speaker 15: what he said either.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: We can't say that often enough, Christian, But I'm fascinat
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: added in this exchange now with Jill Biden that focuses
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: on why her husband performed so badly in that debate.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Have a look so still.
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  Speaker 16: To this day, you don't have a gut instinct on
• 40:12
  Speaker 16: what what was that moment? No, I mean, there's all
• 40:15
  Speaker 16: kinds of there is. You know, he had been traveling.
• 40:19
  Speaker 16: I know he was tired. He didn't feel well that
• 40:23
  Speaker 16: day when I saw him. But there was nothing definitive
• 40:30
  Speaker 16: that I could point to it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 17: And there's no way anyone could have God forbid lace
• 40:34
  Speaker 17: to his drink or so who knows?
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Right? Who knows?
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, Christen, this is too much drink. Well, someone was
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: licensed drinking every day of his presidency.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: All right, I know.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: You know, sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one,
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: which is that Joe Biden was an elderly man with
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: declining health. That turns out that's probably the explanation, not
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: that his drinks were being drugged. I mean, the drugging
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: theory is actually a distraction from the real scandal, which
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: is Americans didn't need a toxology report to know something
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: was very wrong with Joe Biden.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: You had been watching the decline with.
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: Our own eyes while everyone around him was telling us, oh,
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: he's never been sharper. But for those ninety minutes and
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: that debate, we got to see the real Joe Biden,
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: with no teleprompters, no carefully staged and managed interviews.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: It was the real deal.
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: And that was the moment when so many Americans did
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: realize this is a man whose health is really declining.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: His staff were lying about his mental capacity, his family
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: were lying about his mental capacity, and most of the
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: American media was lying about his capacity.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that debate for ninety minutes.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: It wiped away all the lives because we got to
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: see the real thing with iron eyes.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: So for osseolves, didn't we Thanks for joining us, Christ
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: and I appreciate.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: It, Thank you, Chris.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was elder abuse. What went on with Joe Biden.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Never forget the media, most of the media, including here
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: in this country, telling you he was okay and he'd
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: be running again. I was saying for three years he
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: was never going to run again. It was so obvious.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Now after the break, we'll catch up with Susie and Stephen.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: One of the things we'll talk about is the Greens
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: and the politics of abuse. Let's get into our Tuesday
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: panel with Susy O'Brien joining us from Melbourne. She is
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: of course the National Education editor of the News Court Papers,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: and Stephen Senna Tiempo Breakfast host to two Double C
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: and Camera. It was a pleasure to be on your
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: show this morning, Stephen plugging the doco tonight. Let's start
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: off on that topic, the rise of One Nation. How
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: would you summarize it? How would you explain to people
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: why One Nation has now gone ahead of the coalition
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: in the Pharaoh Bye election, the South Australian state election
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: and polls right around the country.
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  Speaker 18: Stephen, I think they just tap into a mood of
• 43:00
  Speaker 18: disillusionment with the political system. And I know that DOCO
• 43:05
  Speaker 18: has called the Fight for the Right, it probably should
• 43:07
  Speaker 18: be called the Fight for the sensible center. We've seen
• 43:09
  Speaker 18: to have forgotten that.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: But I think it's just.
• 43:12
  Speaker 18: People are fed up and they are literally looking for
• 43:15
  Speaker 18: some alternative, even if that alternative is not perfect, and
• 43:18
  Speaker 18: One Nation clearly isn't perfect.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: So see. One of the things that struck me traveling
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: around the country talking to One Nation voters is that
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: they're so diverse. They come from all sorts of ethnic
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: and social backgrounds. They're also not shy anymore about saying hey,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I support One Nation and I voted, and I support
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson and I've voted for her and sometimes they
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: don't look or sound what people sound like. Well people
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: expect One Nation voters look like or sound like. Have
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: look at this book I caught up with at a
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: One Nation event in Melbourne last month. What do you
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: think of her? How would you sum her up for
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: the Australian population.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: He's all right, Kenny dird for prime. She's the one
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: who can get Australia in the right direction, and she
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: can get Australia back and the order days which it's
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: used to.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Be SUSI the turbine in One Nation Orange not what
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: we would expect.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean it's fascinating and they really tapping into
• 44:18
  Speaker 17: three distinct issues number one immigration, number two cost of
• 44:23
  Speaker 17: living and number three disillusionment with existing politicians. So it
• 44:28
  Speaker 17: doesn't actually matter to a lot of One Nation supporters
• 44:31
  Speaker 17: that someone gets a policy wrong or there's a little
• 44:34
  Speaker 17: bit of a whoopsie on the campaign trail, because it's
• 44:37
  Speaker 17: what they stand for, which is it's very similar to
• 44:42
  Speaker 17: Trump if they're saying we reject the status quo in
• 44:45
  Speaker 17: terms of we don't trust existing politicians. We want you
• 44:48
  Speaker 17: to do it differently. So it's not so much even
• 44:51
  Speaker 17: about the policies it's about what they represent.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: So Stephen, can the Coalition get back ahead of them?
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  Speaker 18: Yeah, I think they can if they go back to basics.
• 45:01
  Speaker 18: But the problem is the Coalition has done a lot
• 45:03
  Speaker 18: of damage to itself since your old mate Malcolm turnbulls leader,
• 45:07
  Speaker 18: and they haven't recovered from that yet. No, I don't
• 45:09
  Speaker 18: mean that as a majority.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: If you don't, you know what I mean. I'm not
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: on Malcolm's Christmas list. I can assure you you're not.
• 45:17
  Speaker 18: But look, the reality is, yes they can, but they've
• 45:20
  Speaker 18: got to get a bit of discipline about themselves, because
• 45:23
  Speaker 18: the one thing about One Nation is they're not disciplined.
• 45:25
  Speaker 18: They don't have the organizational structure behind them that the
• 45:28
  Speaker 18: traditional parties do. But the Liberal Party doesn't seem to
• 45:32
  Speaker 18: be tapping into its strengths either, and they somehow have
• 45:34
  Speaker 18: to get people to start listening again. And when you
• 45:37
  Speaker 18: look at that polling that came out from Hawk of
• 45:39
  Speaker 18: Britain today amongst One Nation voters where they put immigration
• 45:43
  Speaker 18: ahead of cost of living, I think they've got their
• 45:45
  Speaker 18: priorities skewed. Maybe we need to the Coalition is just
• 45:50
  Speaker 18: yes they are. But if you're more worried about somebody
• 45:53
  Speaker 18: getting off a plane than putting food on the table
• 45:55
  Speaker 18: and keeping a roof over your head.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: That I think you've got your priority skewed well. I
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: think the issue is that people will see the reason
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: they've got a housing crisis and cost of living crisis
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: is that immigrations out of control. The next test for
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: One Nation will be Susie in your state. The Victorian
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: state election in November. Now the new Premier Ben Carroll
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: has locked in behind the suburban rail link. Here's what
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: he's had to say about it.
• 46:18
  Speaker 10: So the changes we are making are ensuring that they're
• 46:21
  Speaker 10: common sense without all the bells and whistles. This is
• 46:25
  Speaker 10: a common sinks decision we have made as a government,
• 46:29
  Speaker 10: valuing taxpayers dollars.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Is he still for the chop Susie or could One Nation,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: One Nation actually save his skin by splitting the Conservative vote.
• 46:40
  Speaker 17: Oh god that the suburban rail ringk the thirty two
• 46:44
  Speaker 17: billion dollar railroad to nowhere, it's an absolute joke. We
• 46:49
  Speaker 17: were talking about the one from Newcastle to Sydney that's
• 46:52
  Speaker 17: going to cost half as much and at least is
• 46:55
  Speaker 17: going somewhere else, is going between like eight different suburban
• 46:58
  Speaker 17: stations that already exist. So he's got to do a
• 47:02
  Speaker 17: lot more than take two billion dollars off a thirty
• 47:04
  Speaker 17: two billion dollar project to make any kind of inroads.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: The black hole, the black hole that is Victoria is
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: dragging the whole nation down with it at the moment. Now,
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: I just want to show you what we get for
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: our taxpayers dollars. This blokes at a senator in the
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: National Parliament. Therefore he's paid package that's worth near enough
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: to three hundred thousand dollars a year, and this is
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: the way he conducts public debate. Nick McKim here.
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: So my message to you, hughsy is this. Firstly, get absolutely, Secondly,
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: stop punching down on disabled people, and thirdly, stop spreading
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: misinformation and maybe actually write a few funny jokes.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Why you're at it? What sort of an example is this, Stephen?
• 47:52
  Speaker 18: Firstly, why are our politicians engaging with comedians in the
• 47:56
  Speaker 18: first place, And we saw the Prime Minister get himself
• 47:58
  Speaker 18: into trouble with that when the comedians stop being funny too,
• 48:02
  Speaker 18: But that's another issue.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Look, this is just the Greens though.
• 48:05
  Speaker 18: I mean if you look at if you go on
• 48:07
  Speaker 18: to further watch that thing he says, oh, you know,
• 48:08
  Speaker 18: disable people are not sending the country broke.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: No they're not.
• 48:12
  Speaker 18: But the National Disability Insurance Scheme is sure you'll be
• 48:14
  Speaker 18: able to separate the two. The reality is we've got
• 48:17
  Speaker 18: this behemoth that is literally sending the country broke. The
• 48:20
  Speaker 18: government has failed on many occasions to try and rain
• 48:23
  Speaker 18: it in. Both sides of politics have failed to rain
• 48:26
  Speaker 18: it in. And we've got the Greens who actually believe
• 48:28
  Speaker 18: that everybody should be on the NDIS unis or whether
• 48:30
  Speaker 18: you're disabled.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Or not, show some respect to people. Don't have senators
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: swearing abuse at everyone. Makes for joining us, Susie and Stephen.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Catch up with you next week. Just got time to
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: plug the doco one more time before I go. Don't forget.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I'm back at seven o'clock with the Fight for the Right.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed putting it together, looking forward to sharing
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: it with you at seven o'clock. Here's Peter Quidlin