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RHOBH’s Natalie Fuller Breaks Silence on Italy & The Katy Perry Nightclub Allegations · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, there's lots to
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  Speaker 3: First of all, Katy Perry is in some trouble. She's
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  Speaker 3: under investigation for alleged sexual assault of Ruby Rose. She's
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  Speaker 3: being investigated by the police in Australia. Here is the story.
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  Speaker 3: Katy Perry- And her boyfriend, former prime minister of Canada,
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  Speaker 3: Justin Theroux, they were at Coachella, just walking around with
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  Speaker 3: the kids. And she took to social media to make
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  Speaker 3: a joke about Justin Bieber's performance in that, oh, I
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  Speaker 3: guess he got YouTube premium or something, which kind of
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  Speaker 3: a pretty good joke for her. But anyway, and then
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  Speaker 3: Ruby Rose wrote back, on social media. And now to
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  Speaker 3: remind you, she was on Orange is the New Black.
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  Speaker 3: She's a model actress. She's kind of got an androgynous look.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't really seen her in the news much lately,
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  Speaker 3: but anyway, she's very attractive. She then says like, who
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  Speaker 3: cares what you think, that freak? And I'm summarizing, like
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  Speaker 3: you sexually assaulted me at a spice market and or
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  Speaker 3: at the spice market, maybe it's a nightclub. You know what?
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  Speaker 3: She had some spice market in Melbourne, Australia. And I
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  Speaker 3: think I actually imagined her like at an open flea
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  Speaker 3: market of spices, which makes this story really weird. But
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  Speaker 3: now that I think about it, I bet it's like
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  Speaker 3: a nightclub. She said that Katy Perry, she said, pulled
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  Speaker 3: her underwear to the side. Katy Perry pulled her own
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  Speaker 3: underwear to the side. And according to Ruby Rose, shoved
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  Speaker 3: her ugly vagina in Ruby Rose's face in which she
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  Speaker 3: pushed it away. So now just imagine me reading that
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  Speaker 3: story and thinking that they're like someone smelling spices. And
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  Speaker 3: then like Katy Perry just like, what? No, I'm guessing
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  Speaker 3: it's some restaurant nightclub something. But anyway, she said she
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  Speaker 3: rejected it. And whatever. And it was awful. And then
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  Speaker 3: she said, I didn't talk about it for, um, when
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  Speaker 3: it happened because Katy Perry was helping me get my visa.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: They are her, Katy Perry's people are saying this never happened,
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  Speaker 3: but then the sleuths remembered another Katy Perry groping allegation
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  Speaker 3: that which happened. And that was with Anna Kendrick went
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  Speaker 3: on about it about 10 years ago, went on Conan
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  Speaker 3: O'Brien's TV show and talked about how she was at
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  Speaker 3: an event. She had a low cut dress on and
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  Speaker 3: she said, Katy Perry fingered her cleavage. And that she
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  Speaker 3: didn't ask for it, didn't want it, but also didn't
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  Speaker 3: hate it. She's kind of joking. Conan's asking more and
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  Speaker 3: more questions about it. And she said the dress was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the way it was, I would have been
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  Speaker 3: offended if nobody had tried to finger my cleavage. But
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  Speaker 3: it's weird. It's weird. And, of course, her song, I
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  Speaker 3: Kissed a Girl and I Liked It. is this all
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  Speaker 3: with it? There's a photo of her with Anna Kendrick, joking,
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  Speaker 3: grabbing her tit. I find this all very interesting because
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  Speaker 3: there was a time there, how many times have we
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  Speaker 3: seen housewives go and grab each other's boobs and it
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  Speaker 3: makes the trailer and let me show you my boob job. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and when, um, Diana Ross, very famous moment
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  Speaker 3: at like an MTV awards, It was, I think it
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  Speaker 3: was Nicki Minaj that had one whole tit out with
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  Speaker 3: just like a little star on the nip. And Diana
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  Speaker 3: Ross just couldn't help herself. And she went like this
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  Speaker 3: and like flicked her under boob, just was like, oh
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  Speaker 3: my God, like you just have a titty out. And
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  Speaker 3: being that it's girls, I don't know. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: think it's really interesting about these same sex couples assault
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  Speaker 3: stories that we're hearing more and more about. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to move this one topic up because I was going
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  Speaker 3: to talk about it later, but the latest on the
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  Speaker 3: Tyler Perry case, they're saying, according to TMZ, Tyler Perry's accuser,
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  Speaker 3: Mario Rodriguez, was mocked in court for playing a minor role.
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  Speaker 3: So he is accusing Tyler Perry of of sexually assaulting
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  Speaker 3: him that he that Tyler uh said he really liked
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  Speaker 3: his acting he put him in a show and then
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  Speaker 3: he kept the relationship going according to Mario by saying
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna produce your pilot that you wrote and I
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  Speaker 3: think it's so good and he had him spend the
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  Speaker 3: night at his house and then one of the accounts
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  Speaker 3: that I recall is that you know he woke up
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  Speaker 3: to Tyler you know, in his bed or trying to
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  Speaker 3: make a move and these things all happen. And then
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  Speaker 3: there were text messages that are very suspicious, not suspicious,
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  Speaker 3: but are very inappropriate for a director to have with
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  Speaker 3: someone who is his employee acting in his movies where
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  Speaker 3: it was, you know, I'm horny and I'm this and that.
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  Speaker 3: And then the Mario would try to be like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: hope you get some rest then. Like he kept trying
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  Speaker 3: to like stop the conversation and be like, well, sorry
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  Speaker 3: that he's like, I'm horny. I wish, I wish you
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  Speaker 3: were here to help me out. And he's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not, but I hope you enjoy reading my pilot script.
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  Speaker 3: Like it was, it was stuff like that. So he is, um,
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  Speaker 3: this is going on. And I guess at one point, um,
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  Speaker 3: I assume someone on Tyler's legal team mocked the fact that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you're just a thirsty, poor actor. That's trying
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  Speaker 3: to shake down a big, powerful person. And get a
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  Speaker 3: paycheck and get a payday and get some press from it.
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  Speaker 3: That is, you know, that is what the defense is
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  Speaker 3: always for when a powerful person is accused of essay
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  Speaker 3: or being inappropriate with someone, especially in the movie industry
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  Speaker 3: where there's so much at stake. There is this guy
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  Speaker 3: that is an internet star. He's a streamer. He's got,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of people on TikTok and Instagram
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  Speaker 3: that follow him. And his name is Clovic Giller. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: That's not his real name, but he went by that
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  Speaker 3: name because he is doing this thing called looks maxing. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And it's really about young men wanting to maximize their looks.
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  Speaker 3: And they're really obsessed with the jawline and the collarbone.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm like, how did he come up with this
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  Speaker 3: clever name? Well, he it's off of clavicle, which is
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  Speaker 3: his favorite part of his body. Okay. He's obsessed with it.
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  Speaker 3: So he's kind of like a rage baiter, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like just only sharing about how to get really good
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  Speaker 3: looking and get the most, the most muscles, the leanest look,
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  Speaker 3: the best jawline. And he is good looking. And then
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  Speaker 3: he also, a lot of his content is, um, Talking
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  Speaker 3: about women's looks and stuff, which is where the rage
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  Speaker 3: baiting comes. We're like, we hate you. But then trying
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  Speaker 3: to get these young men to follow him and love him.
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  Speaker 3: And then also girls that I'm sure love him too
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  Speaker 3: and like his looks and don't care that he's a misogynistic,
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  Speaker 3: stupid dick. Well, anyway, he OD'd. While streaming, he OD'd
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  Speaker 3: on heroin.
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  Speaker 5: And I....
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  Speaker 3: And now it's come out that, you know, he believed
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  Speaker 3: that heroin is a drug that will help give that
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  Speaker 3: heroin chic look and make your collarbones pop out. I
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  Speaker 3: bet you're like, Heather, I just can't believe. Yes, this
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  Speaker 3: is the world we live in. Yes, these are the
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  Speaker 3: news articles. This is who the youth is following and watching.
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  Speaker 3: I kind of find it juicy and interesting because I
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  Speaker 3: dated this guy briefly. He turned out to be a
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  Speaker 3: major grifter scammer. I've talked about him. It's in my book.
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  Speaker 3: He convinced me to rent him a car. Anyway, it
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  Speaker 3: was awful, but he was good looking and he was
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  Speaker 3: 38 and I was 27. And He was bragging that
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  Speaker 3: he was a white collar criminal. Like, doesn't that make
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  Speaker 3: it sexier? Anyway, I was bored and I met him
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  Speaker 3: at a Starbucks and it was a sunny day in
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  Speaker 3: Santa Monica. So we hung out a couple of days
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  Speaker 3: and I rented him a car, which then was a
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  Speaker 3: traumatic experience to try to get it back to the
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  Speaker 3: enterprise rented car. Um, anyway, so he told me that
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  Speaker 3: he was a heroin addict. Now he was sober and
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  Speaker 3: But he's, and I go, wow, you look really good
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  Speaker 3: for 38. Like you look younger than 38. You like
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  Speaker 3: look really cute. And he told me, you know, heroin
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  Speaker 3: actually like preserves your looks. And I was like, it does.
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  Speaker 3: Cause I always thought of like a heroin addict, like
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  Speaker 3: with like sunken eyes and look like heroin. Like I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 3: but actually then you think of like heroin chic, like
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  Speaker 3: a model, whatever. Don't do heroin people. But I guess
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  Speaker 3: if you can get off of it and not be
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  Speaker 3: a complete loser addict, you're going to look better than
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  Speaker 3: the person that did meth, where they pick at their
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  Speaker 3: skin and their teeth fall out. Like, if you really
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  Speaker 3: want to fuck up your looks, you're going to try meth.
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  Speaker 3: No one should do any drugs, including vaping and smoking people.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, he crashed out. He passed out. He OD'd
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  Speaker 3: and he fell on his face. which that he didn't
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  Speaker 3: like because his whole life is about being good looking. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, here's his Instagram and it's just, he's got
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  Speaker 3: a lot of articles being written about him and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he is the voice of the jawline. Okay, let's get
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  Speaker 3: into Summer House. Now, this is the story everyone's talking
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  Speaker 3: about because Amanda, who was married to Kyle Cook, who
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  Speaker 3: they had a horrible marriage for 10 years, a horrible relationship.
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  Speaker 3: And he's a DJ and every girl was like, he
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't be a DJ. And then he, they're getting, they're
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  Speaker 3: breaking up. There's a spinoff that we're going to see.
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  Speaker 3: The end of the season is here of the show.
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  Speaker 3: And we now know that Wes, West and Amanda are
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  Speaker 3: a couple right now, currently dating each other. And this
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  Speaker 3: was a big issue because West dated Sierra, who was
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  Speaker 3: Amanda's best friend, who throughout the show has only shown
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  Speaker 3: us that she's a fabulous friend to Amanda. They dated,
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  Speaker 3: Sierra and West dated for a while. The whole time
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  Speaker 3: Amanda's married to Kyle, but crying and thinking he's an asshole.
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  Speaker 3: And now they're together. So the question is, when did
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  Speaker 3: this relationship start? And we get to watch them. And
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  Speaker 3: it's pretty suspicious. And at this one scene last night,
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  Speaker 3: he's got a cute girl and he's hanging out on
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  Speaker 3: like a day bed together outside. You know, they're at
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  Speaker 3: the summer house. And Amanda's pretty drunk. And she comes
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  Speaker 3: waddling over. And she goes, what you guys doing? Can
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  Speaker 3: I come in for a cuddle? Am I crashing your party?
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  Speaker 3: And she gets in on the other side of West.
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  Speaker 3: And he's like, no. And she's like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 3: my husband, Kyle Cook is the greatest DJ in all
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  Speaker 3: of the Hamptons. And he's playing tonight. And then Wes
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  Speaker 3: is like, she's wearing a bikini top and she has
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  Speaker 3: a good body. And Wes is like grabbing her hair
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  Speaker 3: and like playing with it and like tickling her back.
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  Speaker 3: And you're now we're all like, of course they were fucking.
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  Speaker 3: They still have not admitted to when the fucking began,
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  Speaker 3: but I think a hundred percent they were fucking during
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  Speaker 3: the summer while this was filming. I don't know where
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  Speaker 3: they were meeting, if they were doing it in the city,
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  Speaker 3: if they were going on walks at five in the morning,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but it was happening in my opinion.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you just, and then she goes and leaves and,
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  Speaker 3: and says, I got to go watch my butt when
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  Speaker 3: I walk away. Now, who the hell says that to
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  Speaker 3: a platonic guy friend who's really good friends with your
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  Speaker 3: husband and who your best friend used to date? That
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  Speaker 3: is gross. People are not liking Amanda's behavior. So then
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  Speaker 3: they have this girl Mia on who's new to the
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  Speaker 3: cast and also friends with Amanda and Sierra. on Watch
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  Speaker 3: What Happens Live. And Andy said, what stuck out from
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  Speaker 3: tonight's episode that made you say, wow? And she says,
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  Speaker 3: so when West was talking to that girl from the
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  Speaker 3: party and they're laying on the bed and Amanda comes
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  Speaker 3: over and sits with him. So she brings up that.
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  Speaker 3: She says, who says, watch my ass as I watch
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  Speaker 3: my butt as I walk away. And she said she
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  Speaker 3: was absolutely shocked. He's like, how shocked were you, one
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  Speaker 3: out of 10, to find out that they were actually
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  Speaker 3: a couple, West and Amana? And she said, 15. And
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  Speaker 3: he said, when do you think it started? Do you
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  Speaker 3: believe it started earlier than what they're saying? And she's like, yes,
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  Speaker 3: now I do. Now watching with my own eyes, thinking
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  Speaker 3: about it. And she's Team Sierra. And some people believe
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  Speaker 3: it shouldn't matter. Sierra dated... him so long ago. I
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  Speaker 3: think what matters is the deception is her taking all
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  Speaker 3: the love and support from Sierra about her shitty marriage
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  Speaker 3: to Kyle while the whole time she's secretly getting together
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  Speaker 3: with West because it is exciting. It feeds her ego.
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  Speaker 3: It turns her on. It's secretive. And It was her
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  Speaker 3: best friend's dude, who the best friend, Sierra, was still
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  Speaker 3: kind of pining for, in my opinion. So it's a
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  Speaker 3: fascinating study of psychology, really, honestly, and relationships and friendships
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  Speaker 3: and betrayal and cheating. And then to have them all
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  Speaker 3: on a reality show and all living together where they
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  Speaker 3: would have access to do this, it's almost... It is
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  Speaker 3: a real juicy level. A lot of people say it's
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  Speaker 3: still not the level of Scandival of Vanderpump, but it's
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  Speaker 3: pretty interesting. And so it's a big boost for their show.
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  Speaker 3: For a lot of people that stopped watching and weren't
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  Speaker 3: that interested, now you're like, I want to see this
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  Speaker 3: shit play out.
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  Speaker 4: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
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  Speaker 4: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
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  Speaker 4: before bed Or two, you know. Nobody's watching.
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  Speaker 2: You deserve a treat.
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  Speaker 4: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
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  Speaker 4: flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
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  Speaker 6: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
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  Speaker 6: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
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  Speaker 6: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
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  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
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  Speaker 2: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
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  Speaker 2: filed against me. When your free will was about to
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  Speaker 2: be taken from you, what would you do if it
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  Speaker 2: was given back?
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  Speaker 6: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
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  Speaker 6: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
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  Speaker 3: He said, I have a work dad.
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  Speaker 6: I need a home dad.
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  Speaker 2: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
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  Speaker 6: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
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  Speaker 6: happens next.
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  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all.
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  Speaker 3: I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
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  Speaker 3: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
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  Speaker 6: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
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  Speaker 6: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: I talked about the Alex Earl versus Alex Cooper phenomenon
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  Speaker 3: of they are fighting. These two blonde, pretty girls, Alex
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  Speaker 3: Cooper having one of the biggest podcast shows and she
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: has her whole unwell network and all of that. She
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: is getting a lot of criticism right now because she
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: has a show called Winter Games. And prior to Dakota
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: of course, of Mormon Wives, of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives,
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  Speaker 3: his conflicts with Taylor that have all been played out
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  Speaker 3: where she's throwing the barstool from two years ago and
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  Speaker 3: then they're trying to get restraining orders against each other
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  Speaker 3: and all that that's played out. She chose him along
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  Speaker 3: with Brooke Nader's ex who was on real, that was
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  Speaker 3: on Dancing with the Stars with her. And they're playing
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  Speaker 3: pool together. And they're both talking very disparagingly about their exes.
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  Speaker 3: And the Dancing with the Stars guy says that Brooke
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  Speaker 3: Nader was the worst sex he ever had. Now, this
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  Speaker 3: girl is like a supermodel gorgeous. But some people can
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  Speaker 3: be a lazy lay. All right? Some people can maybe
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  Speaker 3: not be that great in the sack. But nobody wants
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  Speaker 3: it said. And it does seem very anti-woman. And so...
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  Speaker 3: People are saying, you know, this is under her umbrella.
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  Speaker 3: She shouldn't have had that scene be in this show.
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  Speaker 3: She should have cut it out. It's bad enough that
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  Speaker 3: she had these two guys in it. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: I don't blame her for the casting. I do think.
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  Speaker 3: it was gross to keep that. But I also think
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  Speaker 3: how much does she really have her hand in every
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  Speaker 3: single thing? But maybe this is a lesson too. If
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  Speaker 3: you're going to have an image of girl's girl and
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  Speaker 3: feminism and everything, this probably isn't something that you want,
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  Speaker 3: but maybe the argument would be, well, we bash men,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like, what does it matter? Let's just have
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  Speaker 3: it be raw and juicy and let these people be themselves.
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  Speaker 3: And if this is what they said, this is what
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  Speaker 3: they said. Who cares? I don't know. But she's, we're
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  Speaker 3: finding out what's going to happen with her and her
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  Speaker 3: former person that was under her network for a minute,
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  Speaker 3: Alex Earl, the big influencer. And page six was showing
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: that Alex Earl shared when her friend shared the TikTok
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: about Alex Cooper saying, bring the receipts. I'm sick of
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: you hinting and liking negative shit about me and reposting
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: negative stuff about me. Just come at me in this
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Alex versus Alex world. And The comments are like, this
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: is a PR stunt. This is for Alex Earle's reality show. No,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Alex Cooper is not going to help Alex Earle's reality show.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: What happened is Alex Cooper chose to address it. Probably
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: not a wise idea. She should rise above it. She
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: still is the better known, more popular person, in my opinion.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: and she's older. And so I think she should have
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: not addressed it though. I can understand the frustration of
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: wanting to. And because she did now give Alex role
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: a great storyline. She is doing a reality show with
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: her family on E and this will be captured. And
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: this is juicy. She's in a fight with a big
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: influencer podcaster girl. So, um, but I don't think they're
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: in it together. Whenever someone has, as someone who's been
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: part of podcast war beefs and some social media booths,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: and even some Hollywood beef type of whatever, where there's
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: been articles written, people have always thought, I think they're
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: in this together. I think this is a PR stunt.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: It never has been. It has never been, which sometimes why,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: as someone who does love conspiracy theories, I always go, well,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: how many people would have to like get together and
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: be like, this is our plan. No one will ever
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: know the truth. We're gonna take this to the grave.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: It's very, very hard to do, even with two people.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Even with two people, I don't think it happens. So
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I don't believe that. I believe this stuff happened the
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: way I just said it happened. Now, Real Housewives of Atlanta,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: it has an interesting divorce situation happening. Drew Sedora, who's
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: been on the show for a few years, is living
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: in the house with her soon-to-be ex-husband, He lives in
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: the basement and she lives in the rest of the house.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: And therefore they sort of share the kids where she'll
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: be like, just go downstairs and see your dad. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: she had one child before she married him and then
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: they have two together. And what's interesting is he was
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: going down this whole route of I'm going to write
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: a book about being an incredible stepdad because they had
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: these heart filled moments where he was wanting to adopt
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: her son, but then didn't want to overstep with the dad.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: And like this whole thing, I'm going to write a
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: book about being a stepdad. Well, now. He she has
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: come out and and fighting this order that says she
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: has to get out of the house that they all
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: share by May 1st or something, because the court is
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: saying that she has to leave. And she said that
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: would leave my son and I, the older son, homeless
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: because he's got we'll have custody of the two younger ones,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I guess. Because she doesn't make as much as he
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: she makes. $ 12, 000 a month. He makes $ 71, 000 a month
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: because he's a tech executive and does quite well. So
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: that was interesting. It was interesting to hear that she
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: only makes $ 12, 000 a month and it was interesting that
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: he makes that much and what that does. And this
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: splitting the house, I guess, is now not looking to
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: work in her favor. And then also the whole element
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: with the stepson, when she was going to be stepped
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: out of the year, I don't think he will be anymore. If, um,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: if she doesn't get what she thinks she deserves. Also
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: in the divorce real housewife world, Lisa Hochstein, who was
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: on this show with her boyfriend, Jody, they created this
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: divorce app that will help you save money on divorce
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: attorneys and give you tips and things, and then also
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: can help how to speak to your ex well. Back
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: in 2023, her ex, Lenny, who is the plastic surgeon,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: he used to have these very sexy Halloween parties with
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: every skinny, big-titted girl dressed in, you know, a sexy
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Halloween outfit would come to their house. And then one
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: day he started fucking one of them. And it all
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: got revealed on the show. And they are still going
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: through their divorce. And they have two young kids that
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: they share. And he is now saying that she tried
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: to put a listening device or did put a listening
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: device on his car in order to listen to his
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: conversations to help with this contentious divorce. And she was
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: arrested and she turned herself in. There was a warrant
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: for arrest and she turned herself in. She made sure
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: the paparazzi was there to see her. And she looks
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: very pretty. Glam, full glam. in her mugshot. So I
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: don't know if she brought one of those lights with her,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: like I used to like to use for my meet
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: and greets. It's a little square light and it just
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: really makes you pop, but she looks good. People should
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: always just have one of those in their car in
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: case they get pulled over. And you're like, you know what,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: before you take this DUI, can I just put a
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: little gloss and get some brightness on my face? Anyway,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: She's claiming this isn't true and that Lenny is just
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: torturing her again. And he always brings this up before
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: a big court case or custody battle or whatever in
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: his intentions. This is just the game he plays. And Jodi, too,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: was accused of the same thing. So her boyfriend... And,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: you know, this has just been one of the worst divorces.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: And they put this whole show on pause or canceled
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: or whatever you want to say. And I mean, I
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: bet the producers are like, told you, Bravo, told you,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: you should have kept us filming. Now on our other
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: new show, Real Housewives of Rhode Island, I've talked about
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: this and on my Patreon. Oh, please, this Friday's Patreon
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: is going to be real good. If you haven't joined,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: you go to HeatherMcDonald.net and you join and it's $ 5
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: a month and there's other options and nobody ever leaves. Okay, anyway,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: this woman I talked about, her name's Rula and she's
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: a successful financial advisor and she's got a podiatrist husband.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: And this other girl, Joellen, let people know in the
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: group as they were filming or came out that there
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: is this woman that posted a photo that's sitting on
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Ruela's husband's lap, the podiatrist. like sitting on his lap,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: posted it to her own Facebook. So it got out. Well,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Rula didn't like that. And she's like, you know what?
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: It was a situation between us and, you know, mind
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: your own business and everything. And Joella said, oh my God,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: after I, you know, let her know, and we talked
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: about it because it's fucking on Facebook, she tried to
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: get me fired. Well, Joellen's job is she's a rep
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: for some like laser or something that the podiatrist also
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: uses at his doctor's office. I guess maybe it has
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: something to do with feet. I don't know. And she
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: then says to Us Weekly, Rula. I did not try
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: to get Joella fired because Joella goes, she tried to
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: get me fired for just sharing the fact that your
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: husband's a fucking cheater. And it's on Facebook. I'm not
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: making up lies. A lot of other housewives, they've been
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: desperate for storylines. And they're like, I heard a rumor that,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: you know, Jackie's husband likes to have fun at the
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: gym when she's not around, which when that rumor started,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I was like, I immediately went to gay, you know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: like she's having gay sex, like in the steam room
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: with men at the gym. So it was like a
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: double whammy and the whole thing wasn't true, okay? So
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: this thing is, this girl's like, no, that's not the case.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: My husband just had a conversation about Joella because that
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: she reps this thing that we use at our office.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: And I just said, He just, he just said, well,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: you know, she really doesn't know how to, you know, uh,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: stay out of people's private business. And therefore I don't
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: think she's very professional. I'm sorry. I think that's fucking
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: with your business. You should keep your mouth shut. You're
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: the one who's cheating. Well, meanwhile, the girl that he
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: cheated with, this is from Bravo and Cocktails, they noticed
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: that she's still posting these things. And one of the
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: posts that she did was, um, She's like pushing these
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: products or something. And she's like, writes this woman, the
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: older I get, the more I realize it doesn't it
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: doesn't get better with time. It gets better with laser
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: and Obajabi skin products or whatever. And the photo is
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: taken in the backyard of the podiatrist and Rula, the
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: housewife's backyard. She also did another post, this mistress saying,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: I've been using this for two and a half years.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: And when you're doing something for two and a half years,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: and that's like a wink wink to the world, that's
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: for Taylor Swift, you know, egg drops. What do you
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: call it? Easter eggs. That this affair has been going
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: on for two and a half years. It's weird to
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: brag about that you're having an affair with two and
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: a half years, but clearly she's poking and wants the
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: world to know. And she tagged Bravo in these posts
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: that I am the mistress. It did happen. And it
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: went on for a long ass time. And so I'm
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: going to, you know, puff my chest out about that.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: And then the other girl, Joellen, she's had a juicy life.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: According to Bravo by bitches, they put it all together
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: for us like a little cheat sheet. Her husband dated
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: her sister, Jen, in high school. So when she met
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: her husband, he was already the ex-boyfriend of her sister.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: and was like, I want him, the guy that was
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: dating my sister. And they met in high school. Weird.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: She was rumored to be a swinger, but she says
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: she and her hubby have only had a threesome one time. Well,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: you know, who hasn't besides me? Never had a threesome.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Once hooked up with the owner of a tanning salon
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: she worked at and his wife. So she's had other threesomes,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: when she worked at the tan. It sounds like a
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: pretty good employee to me, by the way. I don't
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: know why the podiatrist would try to get her fired
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: and who would fire her when she's given threesomes for
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: you and your wife, though I hate the smell of
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: a spray tan. So I hope that before they had
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: the threesome, everyone like waited two days and took a
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: shower because otherwise that would also fuck in the spray
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: tan if you're having a threesome after a spray tan.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Or a tanning salon, even worse. Old school tanning salon.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever gone into one of
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: those where you pull down the thing. I always remember
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: that smell was weird because it was like your skin burning. Anyway,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: she will have a threesome with you and your wife.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: So this is the new show, people. This is the
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: new show on Bravo Real Housewives of Rhode Island. Pretty
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: fucking juicy. Also, Lena Dunham of Girls makes me want
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: to go back and watch... the show Girls. I see
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: a lot of clips of it. It was on HBO.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: It was the millennial version of Sex and the City
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: of these girls in New York. And Lena Dunham is
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: a very funny writer and actor. She's very entertaining to watch.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: This is her second book, I believe, because her first
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: one was controversial as well. It was more about her childhood.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: And this one is called Fame Sick, a memoir. And
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: she gets into it about, she talks about Adam Driver,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: who played her boyfriend in the show, which was, it
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: was a juicy, you know, what it was is like,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: you know, you're watching her and she's not conventionally attractive,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: but in the show, She, just like a man, would
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: write herself all these great romances and all these hot guys.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: But also they would like, they'd have weird, they'd treat
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: her like shit. She took a lot from her own
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: life into this character. But it was kind of fascinating
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: because you're like, wow, I don't, you know, I don't
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: think a normal girl, a girl like this, we never
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: really seen a girl like this. And so because of that,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: because she wasn't the conventional girl that we saw on TV,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: she She got a lot of hate online about her
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: life and her sex life and what she showed. I
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: remember one episode she was with this dating a cute
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: doctor and she was just playing ping pong with him
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: in topless at a pair of like bikini bottoms. And
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: she just had so much confidence about her body and
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: it was very controversial. And so she wrote a book
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: and she talks about Adam Driver and and that he
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: threw something at her and that he comes off apparently
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: very poorly in this book. And some people come off
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: great and some people come off okay and some come
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: off awful. And she is sharing how herself cheated on
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: her own husband with like a middle school crush that
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: she ran into later in life. And she's just extremely authentic.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: So I kind of am very excited to read that book. Um,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: for old school people, Heather Locklear is dating Lorenzo Lamas. Okay.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: They are both in their sixties and someone wrote, Oh
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: my God, the dynasty, dynasty and the Colby's or she,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: they were on these shows back then that were like
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: these nighttime soap operas. He's been married six or seven times.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: His daughter, um, Shane Lamas, very pretty blonde. She was
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: on my show. And she's divorced from Nick Ritchie, who is,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: you know, very controversial. And he was on my show
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: as well. Anyway, Lorenzo has been married like six or
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: seven times. And they met Heather's daughter, Ava, who is
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: getting married if she hasn't gotten married already. And she's
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: very happy. And, you know, she's been divorced twice and
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: had some long-term relationships with They are both hot. They
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: both probably have a lot to fucking talk about from
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the 80s and the 90s. And I think it's kind
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: of juicy and kind of fun. Also in the Kanye
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: West world, Kanye West is being sued for allegedly sucker
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: punching a man at the Chateau Marmont last year. According
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: to a lawsuit filed in LA, the suit alleges that
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: the rapper repeatedly struck the man as he lay on
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: the ground at iconic West Hollywood. Now, the only reason I, well,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is interesting, but just to make it
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: about me, it was a Chateau Marmont where I went
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: that infamous night and hung out with Britney Spears. And
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: that same night, Kanye was in the same like loungy
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: area with Bianca. And they, you know, she talked to
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: them and she was, you know, doing a crazy thing and,
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: and it was quite a night. And so, um, I was,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: I did not witness him sucker punch anybody, but I
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: know he likes to frequent that place. So I'm kind
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: of curious to see where this case goes and, you know,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: if in fact it was true and what evidence there is. But, um,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: you know, just when you think Kanye is doing great.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: And then, uh, Blake Lively, apparently people are speculating. Will
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: her career ever recover from the lawsuit with Justin Baldoni?
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: As you know, she pretty much lost it. We had
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Zach explain the whole thing. Her main lawsuit is down
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: to only the three things out of the 10, which
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: we don't know what's going to happen with that. But
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: how do we think they all will recover from this?
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Will she have to make a huge payout to Justin Baldoni?
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: how will people feel about now everything we know about
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Blake and Ryan and, and our opinion? When again, if
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: she would have just been quiet, let these rumblings happen
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: about her and just chill out, put the phone away,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: take a yoga class. Wait a minute. I just think, wow,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: this is a lesson to be learned. This was something
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think she's thought through. I do think it's
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: gonna have long-term repercussions about her career, but I also
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: see her working again in a few years. They're both
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: so rich. I think Ryan Reynolds, I think more his
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: career is going to suffer because also I think he's
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: getting to an age where his weird quirkiness has just
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: kind of run its course and his like dumb cadence
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: and his dumb stories.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: And who knows?
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I think Ryan Reynolds and, and Blake Lively just need
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: to take a year or two off and then come
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: back and just do like an old fashioned sitcom as
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: a couple. Let's just see that. Go back to the
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: two guys in a pizza girl show that he did
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: and just go back to their roots and, do like
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: normal TV, like she did Gossip Girl and he did
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: the sitcom Watch. That's what they're doing. They just do
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: something together or they'll get divorced.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Well, now you guys, I know I've wondered about this
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: cast member on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. It's Natalie.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: And we wondered why she wasn't featured that much, how
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: this happens in a show like this. And I'm very
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: excited because I got to sit down with her and
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: she is not part of the reunion. And so this
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: is her reunion. And we get into everything about some
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: of the most controversial scenes of the season and what
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: was really going behind the scenes. So everybody, get ready
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: for a juicy one. Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: I am very excited, especially for my Real Housewives fans,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: because we are going to get the real scoop from
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: the infamous, but little known about, star of Real Housewives
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: of Beverly Hills, Natalie Hale.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: Hi Heather.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Welcome to Juicy Scoop.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: Hi.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: I talk. I actually speak.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I'm very excited that you're here. I'm excited that you
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: guys approached Juicy Scoop to be on, and you wanted
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: to tell me how that came about.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: The Juicy Scooper is the one who's responsible, who's.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Your good friend. Well, my best friend, Alice, who's a
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: big fan of yours in North Carolina, said that you
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: were talking about me and that I was mentioned, and
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, that's wild. And so I thought,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I thought we should hang out.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Because I had said, oh my gosh, you know,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: there's this woman on there that's cute and she's on
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: the Italy trip and we just see her and there
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: was probably, we'll get into some of the stuff that
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: you were involved in. And people are like, why is this?
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Who is this Natalie person? And it's very interesting, you know,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: the production of how that could happen, how you could
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: be asked to be on the show, but then based
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: on the trajectory of the other women and their storylines,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: if you're not in conflict with them or you don't
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: have a direct thing, then you just were not featured
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: that much yet you're there. And I was like, that
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: is just, I want to hear from you and like
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: your story because we really don't know anything about you.
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: So let's just start about your, your life in general.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Right now you are going through a divorce.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going through a divorce. I am the mother of
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: three daughters. I have a 15 year old and 10
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: year old twins. Um, My twins came on my older
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: daughter's birthday. So all three ladies have the same birthday.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Strong opinions. So I'm very used to sitting around a table,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: you know, hearing all about it. I, you know, I'm
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: in a new phase of my life. You know, I
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: was in a 20 year plus relationship and.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: And your ex-husband-to-be, he is the father of all three kids.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: And he is Simon Fuller, who created American Idol.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: American Idol, the Spice Girls, Brand Beckham.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: So he is English?
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: He is English, yes.
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: And how did you guys meet?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. We met a million years ago when
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I was cocktailing at the Four Seasons. In L.A.? Yeah,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and he was pitching American Idol.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: See, I'm going to tell you right now. If I
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: was a producer, and maybe this scene was filmed.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: No.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think I talked about it. No, but
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: that should have been a conversation that you have with Erica.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Actually, you know what? I think we did talk about it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: The last night in Italy, we talked about it. But
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: do you know what's funny?
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Because Erica, just to remind people, Erica met her now ex-husband.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: She was a young woman at Chasen's, which was a
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: very high-end restaurant, just like the Four Seasons.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe it doesn't go well. Let us be a lesson.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: But I think that is interesting, you know, when a
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: young pretty girl is working. They always say that, like,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: you know, if you want to meet people, like, go
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: to the steakhouse.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I would never talk to anyone in there. But do
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: you know who I used to, my fellow cocktail waitress was,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: was Sebastian Maniscalco.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: He was a cocktail waitress?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: He was a waiter at... Yeah, we cocktailed together at
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the Four Seasons. In Beverly Hills? Yeah.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, how funny.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: And my best friend, Alice, who is why I'm sitting
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: here today. Oh, how funny.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Isn't that funny? Well, I remember going to the Four
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Seasons a lot.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a thing.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: And it's where I saw Jerry Seinfeld, and I approached
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: him and made ass. Right. Because I thought, seize the day.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: And he needs to know.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: You thought he'd be excited about it.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: That this pretty funny woman... Could be his next, you know, girlfriend.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Right. And. His loss.
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: And he did end the conversation with, Heather, I thought
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: you said when you got your drink, you would take
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: it and leave. And I go, oh my God. And
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: then I struggled to pay as if he needed me
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: to pay.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: It was horrifying. I still, it'll still horrify me.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: But.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Four Seasons was kind of a happening spot, I felt.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: It was a good place as.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: A young girl.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a whole other book.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: That is a whole other book. But it was a
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: long time ago.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: So you guys got married when you were then quite
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: young because you have a good age difference as well, right?
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: We were together for seven years before we got married.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, we've been married for about
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: 18 years now.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: But how old were you when you met him?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I was 24, 25.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: That's young because he was already in his 40s, right?
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We have a 14-year age difference. And, you know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: something I talk about on the show that doesn't really
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: air is, you know, this summer I turned 50. And
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: it was like this big moment for me where I
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: was like, whoa, how did, where did it all, like,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: what happened? Yeah. And so, you know, I think I
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: very much had the energy on the show of someone
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: who was like, yay, let's live.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: Right. So the marriage didn't work out.
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Is the divorce going okay?
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: It's going okay. You know, I think... you know, we're
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: getting divorced. We're not getting married. I know married couples
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: that things are not going okay. Right.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: I think we will be together forever because we have
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: kids together. And, you know, it's just a process. And
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the thing I've learned about divorce is you can talk
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: to all of your girlfriends about it and everyone has
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: a completely different set of circumstances. And you can bond
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: together over an experience, but they are all very different.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Which is so interesting. So And I want to get into,
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: you know, really what the season was about, was really
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: about Dorit's challenge of getting divorced from PK.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: And, you know, how she felt some were supporting her
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: or not or questioning it. I want to get into
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: that in a minute. But first, I want to hear,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: how did you decide to film with The Real Housewives
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: of Beverly Hills?
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, so this is something that I think is
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: interesting to fans is it kind of came up as
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: they were they were just starting filming. And I agreed
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: to do it, but I had already planned a month-long
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: trip to Europe with my kids. Like, I was going.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: So I had filmed a lunch with Rachel that never
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: got used. And then I just left for a month
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: and came back. And I sort of come in halfway
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: through the season because I was gone.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Well, what was your relationship with watching the show? And,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: you know, did you ever think you would do it
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: or want to do it?
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I haven't really watched the show.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Okay. So then how did they find you? What was
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: the connection of how they approached you to be on it?
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: It sort of came about organically and we had conversations
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: and I thought it was a really interesting, fun experience
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: to have. I'm very much in this point where I'm
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: saying yes to things I never thought I would do.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I lived a very private life. The first time I filmed,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I felt like I was running down Sunset Boulevard naked.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I was like, what am I doing right now? But
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I also think it was a wildly cool experience to do.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: So when you were waitressing at the Four Seasons with Sebastian,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: aspiring comedian and actor, were you an aspiring actor? What
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: was like your life goal before falling in love and
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: having kids?
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I grew up on Vancouver Island and I was a
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: dual citizen. On what island? Vancouver Island.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, Vancouver, sorry.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I'm half Canadian. And I just moved down and was
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: kind of figuring things out. Of course, like any young 20-year-old, sure,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: I did some commercials. I did, you know, whatever.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Well, not every 20-year-old has done commercials. See, that already
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: shows that you did have a level of success. A
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: lot of people can't get agents. A lot of people
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: can't book anything. So you were exploring that side. I
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: was exploring.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I've always been a creative person. And
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I've changed interests and creative goals constantly. several times in
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: my life. I like exploring different things. And so that
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: was all going on. It wasn't something that I ended
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: up pursuing. And at this point, that feels right. But yeah,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I had some experience in that area. And with the show,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I thought it was It was kind of a fun
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: moment to step back into something like that and reintroduce
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: myself to people because I think I've always been known
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: as Simon's wife. And Simon's very private. And it just
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: felt like a nice opportunity. I don't think I really
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: thought about it that much. And I really I mean,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: of course, I knew what the show was and I
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: maybe had watched it early. And so I knew who
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Kyle was and I knew I remember her sister being
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: on it. but I really didn't know what went on.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: So the first dinner I went to when everything at
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Rachel's house and that it was just this wild dinner.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: And I was just like, oh my God, what is
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: happening right now?
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: So going back a second. So how did they approach you?
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: You got a call. Did you have to do a
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Zoom interview? Did you do an interview in person?
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I did. I did a Zoom conversation and I was
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: at the my daughters are equestrian. So I was at
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: the barn, like literally with like a horse behind me
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: and no makeup. It was a hundred degrees. And I
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: was just talking to Alex Baskin. And then I was like,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm right for the show. I
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: don't know if you guys are right for me. Like,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: let's talk about it. And then it ended up happening.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: So I was like, okay. And as I said, then
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I just went to Europe for almost a month and
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: forgot all about it and came back and showed up
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: at that dinner the And they.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Said, come, come, and we're going to mic you and
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: just be yourself.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had filmed one thing before I left. Like
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: I'd filmed a lunch with Rachel.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: And so I can't remember what went down at the
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: first Rachel dinner.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: That was when Amanda walked out and there was.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, about the death of her infant.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, I, towards the end of the night, was
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: just eating cheese in the kitchen. I was like eating
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: my feelings. I'm like, what is going on here? Oh, wow.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: And it's funny. I watch it back and my face
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: looks so confused. I'm just like.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: And also, I remember there was a moment with you
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: where you referenced getting a happy ending at a massage. Oh, yeah.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Is that true?
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: No. Oh. I said I had a massage that got
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: intimate with a very hot masseuse. And Erica responded by saying, oh,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: I've had a happy ending. And then it kind of spread.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, I definitely told a sexy story.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I did not use the words happy ending in relation
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: to myself, you know.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, got it. But whatever.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Who cares if I did?
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: He was hot. And a great time was had by all.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I was actually surprised that it was like such a shocker. Like,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I've always, I remember I had an executive producer
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: who claimed that she had a happy ending. And I
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: remember there was a whole like Sex and the City
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: episode where Kim Cattrall's character is like telling everybody.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Right, like Ward gets out and then she gets out.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: And everybody's going for their happy ending. And so I
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: think it is like a kind of funny thing. I
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: wonder if it. How often that really happens.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: That's why I mean, first of all, it had just happened.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: I just landed and come home. If I went to
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: that dinner six months later, I'm sure it would not
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: have come up. But I'm still like, whoa. So it
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: happened in Europe. Yes, it happened in Europe.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: And that even makes more sense.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say where. But OK. But I
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: think I started it by saying I thought this was
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: an urban legend. But it turns out like I had
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: a massage that got intimate. And, you know, so I
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: very purposely left it at that. So I definitely did
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: not say happy ending. But I'm also not judging anyone
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: who said happy ending. Like, yay, whatever.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, my God.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: Amazing.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: OK, so.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: But I was surprised because I think like people were
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: shocked by that. And I'm like, I am not a virgin. Like, yeah,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I'm a single woman who's dating. Like, who cares?
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Good for me.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: So in doing the show, then I felt like I said,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: it really I would sum up the season as Dorit
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: versus Kyle. Are they ever going to get back on track?
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: You know, they were both married for a long time.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: They were a fun foursome. We liked their dynamic on camera.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: And now they're both getting divorced. But Kyle has this
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: unconventional breakup where I'm sure I've seen you've seen it.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I've seen it, you know. When couples have been married
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: a long time, they just are like, who cares? And
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: they don't want to split up the assets. It doesn't
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: work for a lot of people. I don't think it
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: works forever.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Well, as I said, everyone's got a different pile of
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: crap to deal with. And it's hard to, you know.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: It's hard to compare.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: And in the concern talk for Dorit that Kyle and
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: other people say that pisses her off is that she
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be talking negatively about PK and she shouldn't be
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: spending the way she's spending. But recently somebody wrote something,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: and I don't know where I read it, but I
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: thought it was interesting. And they're like, well, sometimes a
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: divorce attorney will tell the one that's not making as
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: much money Make sure that you keep it up, that
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: you don't get another job. You know, if you're a
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: stay at home mom, don't now go get, don't now
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: start nursing again when you haven't been a nurse for
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: 15 years. Establish that this is how much you need
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: to live on every month. And, you know, no matter
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: what your economic thing is. So maybe that was where
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: she was like, yeah, I'm not going to stop my
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: spending and I'm not going to be thinking about what's
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: good for PK. And it did seem if I was
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: in Dorit's position that you kind of are in cahoots
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: with my ex and why are you talking to him?
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: And why are you influencing the other women that like, oh,
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't be spending them out. Like it's none of
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: your business.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: And so I kind of, in this case was, I
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: did believe there was a concern because if you didn't
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: really think about all the elements, you're like, maybe she
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be spending, like the gravy train might stop. Right.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: She might want to save some money. I get that
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: element too.
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: But then having it all be public. then also isn't
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: easy to navigate a divorce.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: You know, as I said, these are new friendships. So
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: it's hard for me to have like an in-depth perspective
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: on all of that and the history of their friendships
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: and whatever. I can say watching them fight, you know,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: it felt really painful even from somebody who's very new
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: to the dynamic. It was hard. It felt hard to witness.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: You know, I feel for all of them.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: And then when you guys go to Italy, so were
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: you excited to go on the Italy trip?
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I was. I would be. I had just gotten back
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and had a great time. So I was like, hey,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: let's go.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: And was the mansion, castle, whatever it was, as amazing?
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: It was amazing. The Stefano who ran the house was
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: hilarious and so fun. Like the happiest Italian you've ever
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: met in your whole life. Like it was a really...
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: It was a really great trip. It was a lot. Like,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: it was a lot of ladies and, you know, a
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: lot of late nights and a lot of outfits. And,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: you know, there was a lot going on.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: You're wearing jeans and a tank. You have, like, a
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: very natural beauty look about you. You're very pretty, but
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: you're very, like, low-key, natural, low-maintenance. And so did you think,
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: I need to get professional hair and makeup for these scenes?
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Fuck no.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: No. I mean— I think if I was on the
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: show and more of a, you know, no, I think,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm... So you.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Did all your hair, your own hair and makeup and everything. Yeah.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: And what about in planning your outfits for this Italy trip?
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Did you bring a lot more than you normally would
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: because you are filming?
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't bring too much. I wore most of what
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: I had with me. And I went to Paris after.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Everyone else flew home. And I actually spent three days
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: in Paris because I... Just with my custody schedule, I
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: didn't have the kids back. So I, you know, I
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: didn't have a ton of luggage. I liked all my outfits.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: I thought they were cool. And especially being new on
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: the show, I think it would have felt out of
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: character or out of place or over the top for
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: me personally. Yeah. In my position to show up with
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: a glam squad.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I sure wish I had one when I was there.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Did they, did anybody fly out their own glam squad
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: or were they people from Italy?
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I can't, I can't really comment exactly. I don't know. Yeah.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: You know, but no, there was, you know, there was
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: definitely people that had some, there was some who didn't,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I think. I don't know. But I thought everyone looked amazing.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: And for me, I'm, I'm comfortable. I am. kind of
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: low key that way. So, you know, who doesn't love glam,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: but it would have, it would have seemed a lot
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: for me to bring someone.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: So the one conflict thing that you got kind of
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: sucked into, which was so dumb.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: It was a storm in an Italian teacup. It was like, so,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: so can I tell you what the real crime was?
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Okay. Wait, let me first set it up for the
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: people that may not remember. So you guys are shopping
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: in Italy, like in the street and there's those weird,
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: like opera, mask things with the long noses and stuff.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: And it's Bose and you, right? Bose says, you said, oh,
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: which one would be Pinocchio? We should all get a mask.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: And you go, which one should be Pinocchio? Just funny
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: because they have these long noses. And then she says, Natalie.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: No, she says Amanda.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Not Natalie. She says Amanda.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: I wish she said Natalie.
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: No, she says Amanda. That would have been much better.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: And everyone just goes, ha ha. Okay. So now tell
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: me what really happened. Because that became a big issue
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: between Bose and Amanda.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: So the night before the villa, one of the cool
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: things it had was this big theater. So they had
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: an opera the night before. It was this incredible theater.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: That Dorit was very late for. Was the lateness a
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: real issue?
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Heather, you're talking to a Virgo. I'm five minutes early
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: for everything.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: So in my opinion, everybody's late. I'm early for everything.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: So I can't.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: I always say people are either five minutes early slash
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: on time. Or they're always 15 minutes late.
• 57:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: Or they're like an hour and 15 minutes late and
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: they don't care. Yeah. And there's no one in between. Right.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Those three different types of, those are the three people
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: in the world.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: And I'm the early on time.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: It's impossible for me to actually be late. I've tried
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: before and I start like getting anxious about it.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Even with a party, my husband would be like, no.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, it starts at seven. He's like, we
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: cannot be there right at seven. And then I just
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: saw like an etiquette thing that said, if you're going
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: to someone's house.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Give it 10 minutes.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Don't ever be there. be 15 minutes after the time
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: they say.
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: I know, I know. But I still show up on time.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: I know, me too.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I start like helping to set up. I'm like, do
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: you have ice? Like, what can I do? Okay, so continue.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: So that next morning, we all go shopping. And we
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: start by going to the Ponte Vecchio. And really, for me, like,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: it was the first time I'd filmed publicly, like I'd
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: filmed in people's homes, and there was fans out on
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: the street. So I was like a little like, okay,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: you know, I guess I'm on the show now. Like,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: they're going to know I'm here. You know, it was like,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: so I kind of was having a bit of that moment.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: And we all stand and take a picture. And you're right,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: there's the kiosk selling those masks. And I say, we
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: should all buy some masks and take them back and
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: do like, I was like, wouldn't it be fun if
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: we did like a theater performance?
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Like, that's what I wasn't thinking about anyone else. Or
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: I was not setting up a joke. You know, I
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: was like, and Bo said something under her breath. She said,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Amanda's name. And I heard it and kind of clocked
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: it and walked away. I didn't think it was a
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: big deal. I, I've probably said, you know, like I
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: say dumb stuff all the time. It wasn't, it wasn't
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: abject or overt or whatever. And so shortly after we're
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: walking down the street to go into Padilla Veneta and, um,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Kyle and Amanda asked me about it. And I say, yes, yeah,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I heard it. Like, and, and Again, not thinking that
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: it's like, I'm like.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: A big deal. A big deal.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: And I think they felt differently about it. And I
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, I heard it. But the real problem is,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: is I couldn't go into Bottega then and buy my
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: tax-free handbag. Like, I had big... I was like, oh, wait,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: what just happened? Like, and I couldn't, like, I really
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: wanted a bag. I'm very upset about it still.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: Like, this is bullshit. Right.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Ask Bose. Don't ask me. Like, sure. And, and so,
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: you know, it kind of snowballed from there. And I
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: think the part that watching it back was interesting because
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: there was no point in that day that I didn't
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: say I heard the name Amanda. But clearly in the evening,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: it kind of, it was a longer conversation, obviously, but
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: it kind of got to a place where I was
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: being asked what it meant, what the joke was, what
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: the joke meant. And I didn't really feel like it
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: was my place or responsibility to give context to words
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: that were not mine. And I think that's, I could
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: have been clearer about that or I should have been
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: more direct and shut it down immediately. But I mean,
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: for me, I can take a joke. I'm often making
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: jokes at my own expense. I'm not sensitive, but I
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: don't like being called, like my integrity being questioned.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like at one point, didn't they say you're lying?
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Or you're a liar?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: And the irony was, it's like, I would, you know.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: Lie about what? Like, what do I have? Like, yeah.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I think at one point on the show, like the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: way that it made it to air, I'm saying something
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: in the evening, like I did not say it. I
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: did not say it. But the full sentence was, I
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: didn't say her name, so why do you want me
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: to explain what it meant?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Not that we weren't sitting there that night and I'm
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: saying I didn't hear Amanda. Like, that never happened. Like, clearly,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: I said the whole time. I mean, it is kind
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: of like— As it got bigger and bigger, I was like,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: why is this my responsibility?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Like, I can't— While watching it, I was like, this
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: is just— I want to jump into the scene and
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: be like— It was a throwaway dumb line. The masks
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: have long noses. All of them had long noses. No
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: one was the Pinocchio. It doesn't matter. Like, whatever, you know?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and why am I being asked? Right. Like, go
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: ask Bose if she said it. And Bose said she
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: didn't recall saying it. Then, you know, like, all.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Not my monkey, not my circus.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: Right, well, they had... the two of them kind of
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: had their thing going all season two about, you know,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: what her business is and, and, you know, what are
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: these manifestation classes? And it's like, you know, and also
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: being like, Oh, I don't think she should say that
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: she makes so much more than her husband and her
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: husband doesn't make that much money. I'm like, Oh, Well,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: maybe you didn't give your husband your course. Why didn't
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: you let your husband take your course for free? Give
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: him a discount. Don't make him pay the full $ 7, 500.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Just have him give you $ 7, 500. I don't know. But
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: I just was like, stop talking about that your husband
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: doesn't make that much money because you should be saying
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: he should be making just as much because if he
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: manifests it, he'll be making just as much just like you. Yeah,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: I think that was just all so.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: Crazy.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. And I, you know, as I said,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: the real issue for me is that I was so
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: distracted and I didn't get my fucking Italian handbag at
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: the end of it. Yeah.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: And that would be a bummer because that is the
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: point of, because I was asking about that. I haven't
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: done that much travel, but I'm like, is it, you know,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: really financially worth it to buy in Italy over LA. Yeah,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: Oh, it is.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Like you'll save like what, like a third?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: And then I saw Kyle in the confessional holding up
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: her Bottega bag. I was like, no! Man!
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Oh no!
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Give it to me. Like you owe me a bag.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: You guys, Amanda, manifest me a handbag, please.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: And so that's kind of the point like of going.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: And so it wasn't that like crazy. But then again,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: getting on, you know, Dorit. And then what was it
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: in that Dorit left you guys where you didn't have- Oh,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: I think that was- The car service or the cars
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: in Italy, didn't she?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, but that was Erica and Kyle and Dorit. They
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: went off and did their own thing.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: And got the gelato.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Where were we? We had done this. We'd gone wine tasting.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Or no, we were squishing the grapes while that all
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: went on.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And was that pretty fun?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: It was fun.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Actually, you know what? I had a nice time with
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: Amanda that day. She and I were in a barrel together.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: I think I- grabbed a handful of Louis Vuitton because
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: I was about to fall out. Like we had fun.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: It was cute.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: She, I mean, I think she seems very authentic and
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: nice and this is her business and she makes money
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: at it. And if anything, I'm sure she's doubled her
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: amount of people since she started.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Without a doubt. Yeah.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: So it all worked out for her.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I actually enjoyed like riding a bike and stomping grapes.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Like that to me was a moment that I felt like,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: we actually hung out, you know, and, and, and, and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: in those moments I enjoyed her, you know?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: And so you got to get to know her. Did
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: you know anyone prior to filming?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I've known Rachel, you know, socially, we, we have kids
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: the same age, um, you know, part of my husband's
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: or at some point ex-husband's, but so we, we had
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: some fashion brands, um, Victoria Beckham, Roland Marais. And so,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: you know, I've been around the fashion world and- Oh, interesting.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: For quite some time. And, you know, I've known her
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: from a few different things. So no one else I
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: really knew. And I, as I said, I didn't, I
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: made a decision. I'm familiar with the show and I'd
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: seen it early on, but I made a decision to
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: not watch the seasons leading up to it because I
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: really wanted to meet everyone and not.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: Have this idea.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: I think that's really smart. And, you know, I mean,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: do you?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know. In hindsight, was it stupid?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe not.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: I think being authentic is what we want. But at
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: this point, yeah, maybe a little more backstory of like, oh,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: I could connect. Okay, you know what? This is what
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: I would have told you had we talked. I would
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: have said... Yes, you actually should watch it. Right. And
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: you should try to find a way of what you
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: do have in common with some of these women so
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: that you could have some scenes and stuff. Right. So
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: that you don't end up not being featured at all
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: because you spent this time being on it.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the problem is I came in halfway, too,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: as well. And when I arrived, like, it was already—
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: there was just specific things going on and it would
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: have been weird for me to show up to dinner,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: put my handbag down and been like bitching everyone out.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Like that would have been very odd behavior.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Right. When you're really playing a reality show and you're
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: like new to a girl's dinner, you're not going to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: be the one that's going to take over. You're not
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: going to be the one that jumps in and is like, now,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: wait a minute.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like exactly.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: And so we also do see that Rachel Zoe is
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: going through her 27 year pregnancy. divorce.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: And she's very unhappy that her ex-husband-to-be has a girlfriend
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: and has introduced the girlfriends to the sons.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: And now that girlfriend has now spoken.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: I saw that, yeah.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: And, you know, it's again, it's why I think these
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: shows are interesting and why I appreciate the women sharing
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: their lives, is Everybody that's a woman, you know, of
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: a certain age that's been married, divorced, or had a
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: friend that's been, we've all been through that. Right. Where
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: we've known someone, and you're like, should I be friends with,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: you know, like, or you're now the couple that's all
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, oh my God, he's bringing another girlfriend.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: I hit it off with the one before. Like, I
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: feel weird. And all that kind of stuff is sort
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: of interesting.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: And do people take sides?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And, but then also, you know, when people say,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think she should be bashing her ex on camera.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: Do you want them to be real or not?
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: Do you want us to be authentic or not? I
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: think people going through a divorce should do whatever the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: fuck feels right to them. And just let them do it.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: It's a process. And everyone does it in their own way.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: And if you're a woman going through a divorce with
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: friends that you've had for a while... You better fucking believe,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: cameras or not, if we're being real, you're going to
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: talk about it.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: He's not your husband that you're protecting anymore. You are
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: ending the marriage. If you feel like you want to
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: share it, you're going to.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: No, and the truth is there's a lot of hurt
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: feelings in a divorce. I view my marriage as very successful.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: It went on for a long time, but things end.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: And The process of packing that all up emotionally is huge.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: You know, you're putting an end and people have a
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: lot of feelings about it. People have a lot of opinions,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: you know, and I think it does take a while
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: before it all calms down for everyone.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: So you're filming it from the second half on. And like,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: when did you realize like, Actually, you're just going to
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: be this cute girl in the corner that we don't
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: hear from that much. And I mean, I didn't I.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Didn't think that I was going to be, you know,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: front and center. Anyway, I come on as a friend of,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: you know, I come on as a friend of.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: How you did do like the opening credits with like
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: the pretty dress and the hair and makeup.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm somewhere in between. Yeah. But it's out of
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: my control.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: I don't right.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, I. I have no idea.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And so once you started filming, were people reaching out?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, it was really interesting.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: Like fans and people that watch the show kind of
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: being curious?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like people I've known for 30 years that
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: are like scattered throughout the world. Like they were like,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: oh my God, I saw you on television. What are
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: you doing? And that was actually one of the really
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: cute things about it. I kind of heard from several
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: people that I haven't, And.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: How did your kids feel? Were they ever going to
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: be on camera?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: Not as a friend of no. And I mean, I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: think in a world, if I was to continue on
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: the show, which who knows if if if the fans
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: want me on, if the network wants me on, if
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: I want to do it, I think I would include
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: them down the line. But certainly, you know. as I said,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of a divorce. I wouldn't even
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: put my ex in the position to be like, can
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: I You know, in my family, in my situation, I
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have asked that right out of the gate without
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: having the experience myself and knowing what it was. And,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: But did you let him know, by the way? Yes,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: I did. And what was his thoughts?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: Not thrilled.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't think anybody would be thrilled about it.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: You know, he came around, but I think I think
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: it was a shock to a lot of people. As
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: I said, you know, I've lived a very private life and,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: you know, I think I think it was a surprise.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: You know, I think it is.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: I thought it was really funny. Yeah.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's really interesting when there are people,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: women especially, in this point in their life where they're like,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: You know what? It fell into my lap, and I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: just felt like, why not?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just said, fuck yeah. Like, I do do
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of things right now. And also, maybe not
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: in the U.S., but in the U.K., Simon's much more known.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: And I feel like a long time ago, when we
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: were married or dating, people knew my name, but they
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: knew absolutely nothing about me. And I thought, okay, well,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: let me do this. You know, what's the worst that
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: can happen? Nothing. And it actually ended up being a
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: super cool experience. I think each woman on this show
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: is— Really brave, really fascinating. And I really liked meeting everyone.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: And I thought it was cool.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: And what about the process of, you know, arriving, called
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Mike Pack on your bra, the cameras? Are you one
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: of those people that did eventually, like they say, kind
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: of forget that the cameras are there and really like
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: live in the moment?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, the first time I filmed, I was very
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: much like, it felt very out of body to me.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: They didn't actually even use it. I'm sure I was
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: just like, oh. But you film for a while and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: you forget about it. And they film a lot more
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: than they use of everyone. You know, there's the entire
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: last day of Italy got cut. There was a whole
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: day and evening and dinner that never appeared.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, and did anything juicy happen there?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: I think something juicy always happens, but I feel bad
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: for the editors. Like, who goes through.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: All this shit?
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: I always think about that, too, because, I mean, so
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: much has.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: To be— So much and so many different angles.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: Right. Editing is incredible.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: And then it's funny to see what they use. Like,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: you know, I— At home, I have a champagne saber.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: And so when I open a bottle of champagne at home,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: which I do often, I have a sword.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: Wait, really?
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: Wait, do you go out to your backyard then and
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: do it?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: I do it from the patio. I teach people to
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: do it. It's a whole thing at my house. How
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: does it work? It's the easiest thing. I will show
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: you sometime.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: So it just picks up the cork at the bottom
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: and then goes?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you get this big sword. Actually, the sommelier from
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: the French Laundry sent me mine.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: So at the villa, they take us. a few of
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: us wine tasting and he comes out with the same
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: sword I have at home. And he's like, I'm going
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: to open it. I was like, girl, let me do it. So,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: you know, and like, there's just weird things that happen.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: I think they used it in the trailer. So I'm
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: like in the trailer for a second with a sword.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: What the fuck am I doing? It makes me laugh,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: but I could see how fans are like, what is
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: this chick doing? Why does she have a sword?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: So with all of that, like, you know, doing it
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: and taking oh what I was going to say is
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: I had another friend that did Golden Bachelorette okay or
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: Golden Bachelor okay and you know it was the same
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: thing she was never like she was kind of in
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: the fashion world before she had her three kids and
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: she was very beautiful but never never wanted to be
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: it was always the one that was like pushing me
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: to be the comedian friend And it was kind of
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: the same thing in that she didn't seek it out.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: The other girls had been trying out for a year
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: and doing all these interviews. And then somehow they found her.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: And she was like, well, I just feel like the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: stars are aligned. Why not? Right. And in the end,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: she didn't. It didn't work out. She didn't go that
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: far in it. But she did make these great friends.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: And so she's like having dinner with them all the time. Yeah.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: I think having a great time. So it's like all
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: these experiences, maybe the conclusion wasn't what you thought or not,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: or it leads to something else. Yeah.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: For sure. As I said, I mean, I'm in a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: place in my life where, you know, I'm kind of
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: redefining my life and what You know, I share custody
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: of my children now, you know, and I'm like going
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: back to work, going, you know, and I'm like, let's
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: just put ourselves out there and see what comes in.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: And I did feel, you know, as much as I
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: think they show people having conflict on the show, I
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: think that underneath that there is a camaraderie and a core,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: you know, mutual understanding and respect at least of like
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: a shared experience.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: It's heightened because like in real life, there's only been
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: like a couple times where I've been with women and
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: it's been like, I'm getting, I'm leaving, I'm leaving. Like
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: you're pissing me off. And we always then say, Oh
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: my God, I had my housewife moment last night last night.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: And you kind of wonder what came first, the chicken
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: or the egg?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: But I think it is real.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, at that first dinner, I, I, as
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: I said, I was just like, what the fuck is
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: happening right now? I don't know that I've seen that
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: at a dinner table, you know? And, but it, it's real.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: It, No, it's definitely real. But I think like, you know,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: what is interesting is that You know, if you were
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: having a conflict with somebody, you know, over and over
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: again about the same thing, chances are you probably would
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: be like, I'm going to set out this dinner. But
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: that's what we love about it is because there's friendships,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: but then also there's a reason to keep coming back
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: because they're doing this thing together, which is very entertaining
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: to watch. And so I saw you at the final episode,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: I think, which is tonight. And I've not seen it,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: but they did tell me, you know, here's your release. So, like,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: you know, I went to this pop-up, which was for
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: Kathy Hilton's daughter, Nikki's. Really great. I love her jewelry line.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, gorgeous.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: It's so unique and cute. And there was a couple
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: other things there. And I went... not knowing they were filming.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: I just thought it was another like pop-up type of
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: a thing in her house. And there is a moment
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: where you guys are all sitting over there and the
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: cameras are gathered. And I'm sitting back there with Cade Hudson,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: who's Britney Spears' manager, who's like best friends with Nicki.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, that's who that was. I recognize it.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: And he's like, I go, I don't know, should we
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: just be sitting? And we're trying to like listen because
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: we're sitting and we're like, You know, having our drinks
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: and little like cute meal or whatever it was. And
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: he was excited. Yeah, he was. I thought it was amazing.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't think we should be watching.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: I went to get a rosé at some point. I
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: was like, this is I'm going to this is required. Yeah.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: And he was standing up there and he said something
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: because I think they had all started.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: That's why I talked to you there.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: And he said.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Something like this is like and I'm not a basketball fan,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: but he was like, this is game seven, like watching Jordan.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm dying right now. Not I think
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: I know what that means. And that's funny.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: I think I even might've said like, are you on this?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: And you're like, yeah, I'm just going to walk over there.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: Cause I knew, right. Like I was like, okay, I recognize,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: I knew there were two new girls. So I was like, well,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: she's new and you're new and you know, Amanda's new
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: and you're new. And, um, I mean, I love the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: show and I'll never like, get stopped watching it because
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: I think LA and knowing the city, being from here
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: makes it so fun. And I mean, I think I
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: would love to see more of your life with your
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: kids and, and your next adventure. And I think, I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: think it's interesting. Like, I think the fact that I
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: think I'm.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Very different than a lot of the women on the show.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: So it's from the beginning. That's what I was saying
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: to them. Like it either works or it doesn't. And
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: either way, it's going to be fun. And, you know,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: I thought it was really funny. Like Rachel's part, like
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: everyone was like laughing that I did the splits. And
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I guess Kyle does that. I'm like, I
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: didn't know Kyle did splits. Like there's more than two
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: women in the world that like get on a dance
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: floor and do the splits. Is there not?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You can't own the splits.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: It was like a thing. And I was like, oh my,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: and I saw Nico the other day and I was laughing.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like, bitch, this is your fault. Like you put
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: me on the dance floor with a fabulous gay man.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to try and show off.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: Right, right. Yeah. Obviously. I think what's kind of really
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: cool about you is that out of all the people
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: that have been kind of like on it as like,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: you know, a friend or, or whatever, or didn't go
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: or only did one season. there was a lot more
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: negativity towards that person of why they disappeared or what
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: weird thing happened. And so you should be grateful for,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: for the fact that yes, they didn't, they didn't feature
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: you much, but you came off pretty cool and unscathed too.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: So like, I think that's like a gift.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: I think that's like kind of my personality though. Like
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not, I don't know that I'm going to be
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: in there throwing glasses of wine on people, but I'm
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: just like, kind of ridiculous and funny and light about things.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I really enjoyed getting to hear your story and
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: getting to know you a little bit better.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: Whatever happens, I still think it was great that you
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: did it. I, and that you got to just watch
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: this play play out while you're sitting there right and
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: does it make you now out of curious out of
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: curiosity want to go back and like have a day
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: in bed.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: With peacock i think it would be different, you know?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: And as I said, I really went in blind and- Because.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, on your way back from Italy, you could
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: have watched.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: I could have. I mean, I probably should have. You should,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: if you're- I still stand by it though, because I-
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Did your friend, did your.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop friend from North Carolina, did she know that
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: you were doing it before you did? Yeah.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: And she didn't, she should have told you that you
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: have to talk to- I mean, people have told me
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: stuff and I was like, huh?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: No, you have to talk to the Real Housewife consultant.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: That's me.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: I could have consulted you.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe next year. Yeah. What are your rates? I
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: won't bring glam. I'll bring a consultant.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: I don't charge anything. It's my Christian service hours that
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: I have to still get in every week. Thank you
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: so much for coming on.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: I know you have Instagram. Can people follow you?
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's Natalie S. Fuller.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: You have a hair care brand?
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: It's a bentonite clay cleanser, a hairbrush and a hair oil.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: And it's all about scalp wellness and hair health versus.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: And where can they find that?
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: It's called Blackmore Hair. So our flagship is right next
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: to Dialogue Cafe on Sunset and Holloway.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, you have an actual store. Yeah.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: And you can find it online at blackmorehair.com. And, you know,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: I've just been having fun kind of developing brands. I'm
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: working on a champagne project that I'm excited about.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that'd be good.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: It would be good, right?
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah. I know.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: Well, anyway, thank you so much.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you. This was so fun.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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