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Men, Trump won't get you a girlfriend! | Maintaining Frame 127 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian. I'm here with Allison. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: Honey Badger Radio once again with another episode of Maintaining Frame.
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  Speaker 1: This is number one twenty seven. Men, Trump won't get
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  Speaker 1: you a girlfriend. I don't know if you guys needed
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  Speaker 1: to be told that, but I assume, based on what
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be responding to, you do in fact need
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  Speaker 1: to be told this. So we're gonna be looking at
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  Speaker 1: two videos which killed me a little bit inside each
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  Speaker 1: one to watch, well, I'm serious, one by dark Matter
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  Speaker 1: twenty five twenty five and one by Hannah Cox, and well,
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  Speaker 1: that's it. I don't know what else to say.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like, is there any possible way to summarize them?
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean if you want me to, but I
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  Speaker 1: feel like you'll have to watch it to prove that
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  Speaker 1: I'm to understand how correct I am. But essentially the
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  Speaker 1: Dark Matter twenty five to twenty five video is, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, men, please don't move right because it's fascist.
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  Speaker 1: But also we're not going to address any of your
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  Speaker 1: concerns as men. Instead, we're gonna ask that you men
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  Speaker 1: up and just deal with it and shut up when
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  Speaker 1: marginalized people are speaking. Also, I'm allowed to tell you
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  Speaker 1: that because I am a man with a military background,
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  Speaker 1: and here's my entire life story that basically justifies it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And that's basically his video also, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like he's just he's just well, I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 1: basically like, I just don't want men to care about
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  Speaker 1: themselves because they should be caring about these other things
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  Speaker 1: that I think are important, like women and marginalized groups
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. And Hanna Cox's whole thing is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like men shouldn't think that Trump is going to fix
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  Speaker 1: everything for them. Then she shows goes on to show
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  Speaker 1: a video of a Bernie bro essentially that became a
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  Speaker 1: Trump supporter because Bernie was out of the race, saying, well,
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  Speaker 1: Trump's gonna do stuff for me, and Hannah Cox is saying,
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's really a big turnoff, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: basically precedes a straw men basically men who voted for Trump,
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  Speaker 1: because she's straw men's men in general, and says that
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  Speaker 1: they're all just like being needy, you know, beta males
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  Speaker 1: with an external locus of control, and that's why women
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  Speaker 1: don't want to date them. Therefore, you know that. So
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  Speaker 1: those are like the yeah, those are basically the short
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  Speaker 1: versions of it, and both of them are pathetic and
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  Speaker 1: midwittery and it's annoying, and you know, it's just it
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  Speaker 1: shows like the level of callousness that these people have,
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  Speaker 1: Like they don't even want to really understand where men
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  Speaker 1: are coming from. They just want to say, oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: I know what you guys are doing, I know what
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, I know what you believe, I know where
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  Speaker 1: you're at. I'm right about this, You're right exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So no, do you feel that there's a there's a
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  Speaker 2: commonality between the two besides.
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  Speaker 1: That men are to blame. I mean, Hannah Cox is okay.
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  Speaker 1: Basically the only thing that's different is that Hanna Cox's
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on Trump being elected is sort of let's say neutral,
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  Speaker 1: And because she has essentially labeled herself a libertarian, therefore
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  Speaker 1: she has to act like she's politically homeless and do
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  Speaker 1: the play the both sides game so that she appears
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  Speaker 1: to be the most intelligent person in the room, floating
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  Speaker 1: above everybody else. And dark Matter is essentially against that,
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  Speaker 1: like like firmly in the you know never Trump camp,
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  Speaker 1: And that's really where the only place where they differ.
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  Speaker 1: But even then, they don't really differ that much because
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  Speaker 1: neither of them stand for anything. They're either like staying
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  Speaker 1: out of it completely because they're moral cowards, or they're
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  Speaker 1: obviously just standing with their you know, against the side
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  Speaker 1: that the overwhelming number of Americans voted for, and they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna act like they just don't understand it because of
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  Speaker 1: course they're so smart and everybody else is so dumb.
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  Speaker 1: And look, you might think that I'm like overdoing this,
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  Speaker 1: being hyperbolic, but these people do think that the average
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  Speaker 1: person is really dumb compared to them, and therefore, and
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  Speaker 1: this is why they continue to fail, because at no
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  Speaker 1: point do they even try to understand that people that
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  Speaker 1: are not dumb also made this choice and that there
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  Speaker 1: might be a logical reason for it, and it has
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with fascism or whatever bullshit they made
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  Speaker 1: up in their heads. It might just be people making
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  Speaker 1: a rational decision and saying this is what I'm gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: But they can't see that because they are they have
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  Speaker 1: such an incredibly high opinion of themselves. That's the truth.
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  Speaker 1: I will I don't have much, but I will bet
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  Speaker 1: all of it on that, so mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, the best place to be is right right.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not. You know, Blair White said a thing
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  Speaker 1: once and I agree with her on this. Blair White said,
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  Speaker 1: wants the worst place to be or the worst thing
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  Speaker 1: to be is right before everybody else. And and that's
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  Speaker 1: what I feel like like doing this show for as
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: long as we've been doing this, you know, is that
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  Speaker 1: I say something is gonna happen, or I say something
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  Speaker 1: is happening and people think I'm crazy and they cut
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  Speaker 1: me off and they stop talking to me, or I
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  Speaker 1: get blacklisted, I get shadow band, you know. Like I
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  Speaker 1: did a stream on my channel over the weekend and
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  Speaker 1: the guys I work with they said, we think your
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  Speaker 1: shadow band, Like they were like certain of it. If
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  Speaker 1: these guys work in tech and their programmers, they can't
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  Speaker 1: like show me the receipts, but that's what they think
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  Speaker 1: based on what on YouTube on YouTube, and I barely
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  Speaker 1: have anything, but yeah, I'm sure you are. We are.
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  Speaker 1: I am doctor Ranamkam is like obviously. And the reason
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  Speaker 1: is because I think that our ideas are dangerous to
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  Speaker 1: the people in power and the people who want to
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  Speaker 1: maintain the status quo. Which are these two people. That's
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  Speaker 1: kind of what they have most in common is, at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, dark Matter twenty five to
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  Speaker 1: twenty five wants to maintain the status quo of the
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  Speaker 1: as he knew it when he joined up during the
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  Speaker 1: old Atheism plus thing, and Hannah Cox wants to maintain
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  Speaker 1: the status quo of women as victims and men as
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  Speaker 1: perpetrators that have to like level up if they want
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  Speaker 1: a chance with women, and if they can't level up,
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  Speaker 1: regardless of women's standards, it's because they're not good enough
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  Speaker 1: and they're not trying hard enough. So yeah, well, I
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  Speaker 1: mean there's lots.
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  Speaker 2: Of stuff to unpack with that before we get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Dutch angle.
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  Speaker 2: had a lot of thoughts about these two. I'm guessing
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  Speaker 2: that dark Matter is a communist.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think he would say that. I think
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  Speaker 1: that he's just well, no, no, no, I think he's
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  Speaker 1: an he's an atheist first, and that means that I think.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is his atheism informs his political views.
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  Speaker 1: So the video his video, if we're gonna do dark
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  Speaker 1: Matter first, we could do the other one first, whatever
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  Speaker 1: you guys want. Dark Matter's videos like fifty minutes long,
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  Speaker 1: and his video is forty minutes long, No fucking way.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is he doesn't actually get like he
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  Speaker 1: spends most of the first half of the video basically
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  Speaker 1: talking about himself and how you know, he like basically
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  Speaker 1: his his his background as a trainee in the military,
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  Speaker 1: and he uses this to sort of like, let's say,
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  Speaker 1: give him a credentials to speak on the topic of
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  Speaker 1: men in general. So I'll just like summarize his whole
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  Speaker 1: open na bit. Basically, he goes into this thing about
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  Speaker 1: he wanted to join the military, he wanted to be Rambo,
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  Speaker 1: and like, you know, he did all of this stuff
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  Speaker 1: and worked really hard. And then of course he reinforces
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  Speaker 1: his atheism by saying that, you know, there's this saying
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  Speaker 1: that no one as yeah, Rambo.
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  Speaker 2: He wanted to be a broken veteran dealing with PT.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, He even pointed out the irony of that because
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  Speaker 1: he thought that when he was young he didn't see
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  Speaker 1: that side of the movie, even though that's literally what
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  Speaker 1: the original Rambo was about.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, all right, fair enough, Yeah, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the irony, Larry he has that.
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  Speaker 1: He does acknowledge the irony of it. There's things about
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  Speaker 1: Rambo though I don't think he noticed, but I digress
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  Speaker 1: on that. But but uh, the so he goes into
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing about like his experience in the military
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  Speaker 1: and how you know, essentially the whole world is evil,
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  Speaker 1: greedy people in corporations working to destroy men and men's lives.
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  Speaker 1: It's against them whatever, and all this is acknowledged, although
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit simplistic because he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: really hold the state accountable. He makes it about the corporations,
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  Speaker 1: which really gets under my skin when people do that,
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  Speaker 1: because I know they're smarter than that. But then he
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  Speaker 1: even though he acknowledges this reality, he still says that
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  Speaker 1: essentially men have to like not allow themselves to be
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  Speaker 1: used by other forces on the Internet. And of course
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't come out and just say he's talking about
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  Speaker 1: like the manisphere or the red Pill, but he is
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  Speaker 1: talking about the red Pill and the Manisphere because he
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  Speaker 1: despises the fact that those guys attract men. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the reasons why is because again this is like
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  Speaker 1: Hannah Cox's is the same problem. They see the Manisphere
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  Speaker 1: as this right wing entity, which it isn't explicitly. But
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  Speaker 1: that's cause enough for dark Matter to rail again instant
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  Speaker 1: because even though he would tell you that he's an atheist,
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  Speaker 1: he actually worships atheism and what comes with that, which
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  Speaker 1: is essentially materialism. And yeah, if you don't agree with me,
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  Speaker 1: then you know, you feel free to call in the
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  Speaker 1: show and we can talk about it. But I promise
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  Speaker 1: you that is what's going on. And he even goes
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  Speaker 1: after like it's like he goes after people that we
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  Speaker 1: could also criticize, and that's fine, like jk Rowling for example,
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  Speaker 1: but his reasons for it are not the same. So
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  Speaker 1: we are not the same. Like like I criticized jk
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  Speaker 1: Rowling for being a feminist, he criticized jk Rowling for
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  Speaker 1: being transfer over a turf. We are not the same. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that's.
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  Speaker 2: We we would criticize. I mean, I would criticize jk
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  Speaker 2: Rowling for yes, being a misindrest really not even just
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  Speaker 2: a feminist. And also her attitude towards trans women is
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  Speaker 2: informed by her miss injury, like, yeah, that's where it
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  Speaker 2: comes from.
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  Speaker 1: But they're not well, they're not completely they're not separate concept.
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  Speaker 1: But again I would say that I don't watch a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Dark Matter's content, so if I'm off on this,
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  Speaker 1: the chat will probably tell me, Yeah, my chest is
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  Speaker 1: that he's an atheist progressive act test that doesn't Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's not outright saying, you know, workers of the World
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  Speaker 1: Unite or anything like that, but he's probably like swimming
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  Speaker 1: in this in similar waters. So that's what I would say,
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  Speaker 1: But I would I don't want to refute that part.
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  Speaker 1: If he didn't say that, I'll just look at the
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  Speaker 1: stuff that he's actually said, and I think it's damning enough.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, somebody in the chat said that Alison
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  Speaker 2: and me, I'm the shortest Dutch woman in history, and
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  Speaker 2: I actually think you're absolutely correct. And I might also
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  Speaker 2: be the strongest because I went to Holland, sorry not Holland,
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  Speaker 2: the Netherlands. I went to Yeah, and they had this
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  Speaker 2: like test of strength, which was the series of levers
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  Speaker 2: pully levers, like they have one pulley and it was
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  Speaker 2: like fifty kilos, right, and then they'd have two pollies
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  Speaker 2: and it was a demonstration of how as you add
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  Speaker 2: more pulleys, the easier it is to lift the weight.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean I could lift the the fifty k
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  Speaker 2: with one pulley. I mean not like Jonathan, my husband
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  Speaker 2: could just be like, but I could actually. And I
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  Speaker 2: was watching this other Dutch family which was like an
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  Speaker 2: older couple with their son, and their son struggled, it's
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  Speaker 2: like struggling, and then they watched us do it and
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  Speaker 2: they were just like odd. I'm like, yes, that's a
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  Speaker 2: squat Canadian strength right there.
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  Speaker 1: Low center of gravity, low center of gravity. That's why
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  Speaker 1: when I made you in the DN game, I made
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  Speaker 1: you a gnome. I thought it was the most appropriate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm short, but I'm stern. There's rights, all right.
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  Speaker 1: But uh yeah, so it's a dark matter. Oh you
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  Speaker 1: want to start with dark matter? Okay, I'm gonna jump
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  Speaker 1: way ahead because again he opens up with his whole
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  Speaker 1: like background and he uses it to justify his opinions
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  Speaker 1: on men, which yeah, that's annoying, but okay, so we
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  Speaker 1: got here let me see the reality of war and
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  Speaker 1: its consequences. Maybe no, it's actually a little bit further in.
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  Speaker 1: I'll start from here.
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  Speaker 3: That he was responsible for what he alone said. It
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  Speaker 3: was not an official doctrine of the army. It was
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  Speaker 3: a personal conversation. Of course, it didn't help that he no,
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  Speaker 3: is this dark shatter some of the things Julieah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: what okay?
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  Speaker 2: All right? Certainly an interesting certainly an interesting combination of
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  Speaker 2: attitudes and presentation, shall we say?
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  Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing, like his whole thing is
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  Speaker 1: the reason why he appears on camera for this video,
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  Speaker 1: not that he hasn't done this before, but I think
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  Speaker 1: that the point he's trying to make is, look at me.
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  Speaker 1: I am heterosexual, white male, I'm a you know, I
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  Speaker 1: lift weights, I have a wife, I have children, I
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  Speaker 1: work hard, I'm former military. I'm all the things that
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  Speaker 1: you think of when you think of a conservative. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a conservative because I'm not racist, or evil
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  Speaker 1: or misogynist. And obviously those qualities racist, evil, misogynists and
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  Speaker 1: all that those are conservative values and I don't have those. Therefore,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a complete contradiction. Whoo can your mind handle it?
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  Speaker 1: You know? And that's I think that's what he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: He's just presenting that. And he even says this explicitly.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not strawmanning him. This is what he says. So
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  Speaker 1: this is why we're being presented with this. Can you
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  Speaker 1: believe it? Can you believe that a straight, white male bodybuilder,
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  Speaker 1: ex military guy with a wife and children could also
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  Speaker 1: be a white knight? Is it possible?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's astounding. My mind is blown blown. M a
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  Speaker 2: conservative also white knight in the Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't give a shit about having a military career
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  Speaker 3: after spending some time in the military and coming to
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  Speaker 3: the realization that Rambo should have taught me before I
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  Speaker 3: ever even enlisted, that I was just a tool upon
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  Speaker 3: a fully expendable chess piece of some comfortable politician sitting
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  Speaker 3: behind a big desk, and my death would just be
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  Speaker 3: a fraction of a number on a piece of paper
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  Speaker 3: buried somewhere on said desk.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, again, he says things that are true,
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  Speaker 1: but it's interesting because he literally ignores the fact that
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  Speaker 1: men are treated this way. And all he does is
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  Speaker 1: he says, yes, this is the reality, but don't become
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  Speaker 1: far right or whatever it is that he's worried about
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  Speaker 1: don't don't become the manisphere does.
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  Speaker 2: See, he understands this, and yet he doesn't understand why
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  Speaker 2: men might vote.
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  Speaker 1: For the king guy who doesn't want want to go
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  Speaker 1: to war.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, the candidate who didn't put the US into
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  Speaker 2: more wars. You know, like you won't understand why that
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  Speaker 2: might be attractive, Like I mean, just just setting aside
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  Speaker 2: everything else and looking at this purely through the lens
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  Speaker 2: of gender. You know, which which sex is going to
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  Speaker 2: be conscripted should the US get into another war? Well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe that sex has an invested interest in choosing a
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  Speaker 2: candidate who doesn't seem like a gormless warmonger.
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  Speaker 1: No, but again, these are things that you like it like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: We'll just buzzed head, indistinguishable among a field of buzzed heads,
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  Speaker 3: only to become a headstone, indistinguishable among a field of headstones.
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  Speaker 3: And I knew that my life would be on the line,
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  Speaker 3: not for the defense of my country, Like.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm trying to get to the I think
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  Speaker 1: it was like.
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  Speaker 3: Great struggles to recruit people, and I can see why
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  Speaker 3: we need a millet, but currently I do not recommend
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  Speaker 3: joining the military. How do we solve such a conundrum, Well,
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  Speaker 3: by actually respecting the troops, not with platitudes, but by
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  Speaker 3: not putting them in harm's way for selfish reasons and
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: in claiming to honor them.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's exactly what That's what Trump is going
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: to do. He doesn't want people to die. He doesn't
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: pick sides. Do you remember when he was asked the
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: media tried to get him to pick a side between
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the Russia Ukraine conflict, and he said, I just want
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: people to stop dying. That is an acknowledgement that Russia
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: and Ukraine should both exist. And there is no like
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: we got to destroy Russia or we got to destroy Ukraine,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: right because the human lives, lives that are being paid
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: are really what is the what's on the line. But
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: of course I don't know. For whatever reason, dark matter can't.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: He's he's incapable of seeing that because of TDS. I
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: can only imagine that.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: So I honestly don't understand that. Like, yeah, I mean again,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: if anybody on this earth had reason, and I would
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I think that I have reason, and yet I can
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: see past that and these people can't.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, you know and uh, I mean.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: No, no, I would just be yapping about my experience.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: But it and the reason why, the only reason why
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I bring it up is that, you know, having been
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: banned from the US for five years is a direct
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: result of one of Donald Trump's memos sent to the border.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I bring that up as yeah, I'd like that to change,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: but also I have reason you guys don't. You have
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: no reason to have this level of derangement about the guy.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, if I can look past that and see
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: these things logically, anybody on the left can do it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: This is what I'm This is why I bring it up.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: You see, it's like, but Alison, Alison, but you don't.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: These people do not operate under like a desire to say,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: you know, make things better for Americans. They only have
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: this kind of empty They don't have goals right like
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: in terms of like making things better. They just want
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: to be right, so they're they're just pushing. This is
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: why they don't like when you say, here are all
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: of the reasons why I think this guy could be criticized.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Lots of people have done this and I have. I
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: have respected that. Dave Smith has talked about it, et cetera.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: But people like this don't ever do that because that's
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: not really what they want. Like they don't want Trump
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: to address, you know, concerns like like I can have
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: conversations with people about that. One one thing that I've
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: seen is some you know, Mr. I won't name any names,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: have reached out to me and they're like, oh, we
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: got to get Trump to open up like a you know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: a ministry or a department for men. And I'm like, no,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: we don't want that, And they were like, well, what
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: do you mean. I was like, no, because we don't
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: want the government in charge of anything regardleing, regarding like
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: the stuff that is sort of like you know that
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: should not be within its purview. Okay. All we want
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: is for them to get out of the way. So
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: if they were to do things like restore you know,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: actual due process for men and boys who are accused,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: if they were actually going to pursue you know, real
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: like consequences for female perpetrators of sexual violence by changing
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the laws to like make them you know, genderless, so
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: that that is the way that it is carried out,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: if they were to recuse the Dear Colleague letter and
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: revisit Title nine. To be fair, if they were to
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: do something about no fault divorce like any of these
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: things is literally not the government putting itself in shit.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: It's the government removing itself out of shit, right, And
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: that's what we want on top of like all of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the other things that will have like a secondary effect
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: of benefiting men, like closing the border, like you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: doing something about the economic situation, bringing back jobs, whatever
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that will benefit men, which will also, by extension, benefit women,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: which is another thing that Hannah Cox doesn't know. I know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: we haven't gotten to that yet, but she seems to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: just think, why aren't men stepping up? And it's like, well,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: there's all these obstacles that the government has in place
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: from previous administrations because they wanted to create or at
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: least parts of it, large parts wanted to create a
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: population of women dependent on the state and hopefully men
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: by extension, dependent on the state. But that hasn't quite
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: worked out, although it has worked out for the former.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the thing is is that you can get
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: all of that. But the problem is is that this
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: guy thinks that Trump and his cabin are bad. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: one of the main reasons, and this is The truth
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: is because a lot of those guys are Christians, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: he doesn't like Christians. He doesn't have problem with Jews,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have problem with Muslims, but he really doesn't
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: like Christians, and therefore that will inform everything else after that.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: That's that's it. Like, it's really simple because and this
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I'm saying this because I don't think he's stupid. I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: think he's smart enough to know that policies that will free,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you know, like men from you know, essentially like charge
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: them less for taxes, allow them to pursue their own destinies,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: allow them to like, you know, operate in the world
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: without fear of persecution by women with a chip on
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: their shoulder or whatever it is. He must know that
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that would be better for the country as a whole,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: but he cannot accept that it comes from someone who
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: he dislikes because of their you know, whatever his personal
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: beef is with religion, which is what it is. He
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: is an atheist first, That's what That's what I got
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: from it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: So, oh, you've got an interesting conundrum in chat today
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: because apparently they think we have Trump derangement syndrome today,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: probably because of the sarcastic title. So it's but you
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: know what, that's that's fine.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: No I'm not I'm not a worshiper, but I don't
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: have TDS by any stretch. I think that I voted
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: for Trump and I thought it was a completely rational
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: thing to do. And ultimately it's just the what is it?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I talked about This was with Mike uh doctor ranivercam
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: on the news show, and I said, this isn't the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: end of anything. This is basically allowing us the breathing
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: room to start to make positive change. But ultimately we
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: had to roll up our sleeves as Americans and get
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the work done so that that's like, it's not about like,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: oh oh you know. And that's the problem too, is
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: that dark Matter and Hannah Cox they think that like
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: men voted and they got him in and that like,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: now you know, everything is done and that's what we think,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: and it's like, no, we don't. Anybody with half a
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: braid knows that that's that's just the beginning. Now it's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: like okay, now we can Now I can like go
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: ahead and get my life going without having to worry
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: about all of this bureaucratic garbage, you know, essentially like
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: limiting my ability, and that's what men want. They just
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: want to be left to essentially pursue, you know, their potential.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Realize it so well, I.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Think people are confused by what we are. We are
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: a we deal with men's issues. So in other words,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: we're sort of we talk about the reasons why Trump
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: would have gotten elected, the reasons why men would have
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: supported Trump over Harris Kamala Harris. You know, the reasons
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: why the situation is as it is in society on
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: a more fundamental level than top down party politics. Shall
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: we say so that that's where we come from. And
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I guess some people might consider that insane.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: But and that's another thing too, Like somebody in the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: rumble Chat shout out to the Rumble Gang. Yeah, mentioned
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Terrence Pop, who is also a vetteran not not like
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a guy who was training, because this guy never went
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: to war. He actually almost went war and then for
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, he got out of it. I think the
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: conflict ended before he ended up going over there. But
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Terrence Pop saw things like he doesn't sleep, but he
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: is on the side of men, like without question, okay,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: he is on the side of men. He knows what
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the broken laws are. He knows what the real legal
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: challenges are. Now, I'm not talking about dating. We're talking
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: about the actual like shit that's on paper, right, I mean, obviously,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: like the social dynamics between men and women are important,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and we talk about them a lot on the channel.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: But if you want to know who a real one is,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: it's Terrence Pop. It's not Dark Matter twenty five, twenty five.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sorry, Okay, jher beard as big as you want,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: So let's does he get to a point or is
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: this just more fluffing?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, so I'm trying to find it. But let's
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: just see.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Their service does not honor them. It violates them and
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: abuses their oath. Now, when people see that you actually
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: value the troops and you don't misuse them, then they'll
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: start signing up again because it will be for a
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: noble cause, the safeguarding of their country. I trained for
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: the Bosnian comedy because others will have to work twice
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: as hard there's only one, because you won't have an
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: empty glass. You'll have a glass that other people filled
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: with dirty water, which others must empty before it can
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: be filled with fresh clean water. As Mark Twain said,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: it's easier to fool people than to convince them that
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: they've been fooled.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Now again, he's talking about these men who are disenfranchised
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: and frustrated and they're upset because they've been demonized for
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: decades as men, and that one of the ways, and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's nearly the only way, but one
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: of the let's say, the ways that men have made
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: their voices heard. That made people like dark Matter twenty
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: five to twenty five noticed was the election. And I
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: think this is completely a reaction to that, and now
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: not this, because this is the thing that matters. Okay,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the election is just what these people needed to know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: so they can now see that to them, the manisphere
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: is the problem. Do you remember the article I sent you, Allison,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: They said the manisphere one. Do you remember that? Yeah?
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: That they that's what they believe. And this is what
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: both of these videos are essentially talking about. So that
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: where one, yeah, yeah, that the manisphere one, and that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that something has to be done because the manisphere is bad.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't look into it. I'm speaking, you know, for him,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: but he didn't look into it, or maybe he did
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit he doesn't like what he sees, so
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: they must be bad. What do we do? And of course,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: just like the Democratic Party, they who did not know
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: how to reach out to men, They did not know
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: what men's concerns were were, and they weren't really like
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: they didn't really care, which is why ultimately their marketing
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty four election was, you know, a
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: real man votes for Kamala Harris. Like that was the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: extent of like they didn't know what to say. These
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: people are just as lost. They're just like, well, please
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: don't become evil Nazis, because I know you're gonna be Nazis.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Why don't you just suck it up and like get
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: a life and grow up and stop being Nazis online
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: and maybe you'll find like, look at me, I lift weights,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I've been in the military, I have a wife and kids.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I know what I'm talking about. I'm clearly doing the
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: man thing correctly, and you guys are not. That's what
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: It's a confluence of several factors. For starters, there's a
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: lot of men who you've given up on dating, and
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I think that when men do that, they are far
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: more incl to vote according to their own personal interests,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: in their own personal development, because there really isn't a
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: woman at the end of the light for a lot
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: of them, and a lot of guys, like what is
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: it seventy percent of men now are decidedly single. I
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, the statistics are all over the place,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: but I do know that in two years there were
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: ten percent less men willing to go out and interact
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: with women for any reason, not just dating. And so
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I mean those numbers are getting higher and higher a
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: year after year after year, and what happens is that
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: as a result, women lose that influence over men as
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: a group. You see what I'm saying. I mean, you
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: would want to appeal to women, you'd want to appeal
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to their sensibilities, because perhaps at the end of the day,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: through doing that you will be able to have a
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: wife and family and children and that kind of things.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: But now I think you have more and more men
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: who are realizing that they're in it to advocate for
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: their own interests, right, and they don't have to concern
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: themselves with women's opinions. And really that's what the whole
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: situation with like the sex strike, women are going into
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the sex strike. They're just exacerbating that they're actually destroying
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: their own influence over men. And I think that's what
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: we're seeing. And it's an interesting thing to see because
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: and I had this discussion with the conservative who said, well,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: if you lose eighty percent of your men, your society
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: can still exist, you know, because you'll have your women.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Well not for very long because people will invade, but regardless,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And I told him, I said, well, yeah, maybe you're right.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe the way that human reproduction is that you could
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: lose eighty percent of men and still be able to
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: reproduce yourself. But if a party loses eighty percent of
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: men's support, it's gone, right, So that completely negates that
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: whole situation, the expendability of men. Suddenly, in some ways,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: this whole situation with the vote has given men more
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: influence over time, As more and more men recuse themselves
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: from the company of women, they gain a greater sort
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: of identity around their own interests. Does that make sense, Yeah,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: and then that becomes itself a political force. And I
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: think that's what we're seeing. And the left, I can't
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: believe like they're there. Didn't they basically tell men.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: They didn't need them, Yes they did, That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: and he's still he's still look, he's still kind of
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: doing that. He's just concerned trolling men right now by saying,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: you know, like you're you're angry. I get it, you're
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: mad and you're frustrated and you've been demonized. But like
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: come on, man, come on, man, just suck it up
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and go be a man again. Look at me. I'm
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: a man. I'm doing the man thing really well. And
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: it's like guys are just like, uh no, you know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: like if this guy's not offering anything, that's what I'm saying.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Like Dark Matter is not for anything. He's just against
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: he's against men, he's against you know, people with religious views.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: He's against Trump, he's against right wingers. He doesn't even
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: know what it means. Like he's already defined that in
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: his head as all the bad things. Those are the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: people that believe the bad things. They must be my enemy.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: And it's just ridiculous. And this is like Midwin trash
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: in my opinion. But anyway, let's see if we get
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to another bit. Yeah, Oh, it's easier to fool people
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: than to convince them. That they've been fooled tell me
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: about it, like, I don't know, But again, that's the
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: pot calling the kettle black as far as I can tell.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Perhaps that's because the latter requires the humility to admit
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: when you're wrong, and wouldn't that be nice?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Hmm yeah, very untimely.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: Thing is the opposite of what young men are encouraged
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: to have, so they will be the hardest to convince
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: that they've been fooled.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Bear So yes, so men are encouraged to be arrogant, ignorant,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I guess, which I seriously don't see. I mean maybe again, well,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I think that he would say in because he's this
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: is the thing. He's being a bit of a coward
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: in terms of naming like the issue. But I'm fairly
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: certain he's talking about the red pill, the manisphere, whatever,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: where those guys are trying to help men develop confidence,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and he is just patently against it because he thinks
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: that they're misogynistic, which obviously they are not. I'm sorry,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: but even the worst of them is not probably as
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: bad as you have been told. And uh yeah, so
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: he has to oppose it. So he's making shit up
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: because like men are not they're not lifted up by society.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I won't even see the red pill lifts them up.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: They just kind of like tell them, look, do you
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: guys are human beings?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, but let's let's let's just fact checked here. Okay, dude,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: you've made an astounding assertion. So men are encouraged to
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: be not be humble and to be arrogant from where
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: I mean aside, let's.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Let's like.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: If we maybe the red pill, but that's not something
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: that they get exposed to unless they seek it out.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Do do do schools tell boys? Do do universities tell
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: boys to be arrogant? Or do they tell them that
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: they are responsible for human ills like domestic violence and
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: sexual assault? Like is does the church tell men to
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: be arrogant or does it tell them to pursue the
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: ideal of manhood which is Jesus Christ? Is Jesus Christ
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: arrogant or humble? Like? What where are men getting the
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: message not to be humble? Because from where I see
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: where why I'm looking, they get it everywhere, and the
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: idea that they have the right to actually advocate for
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: their own interests is something that doesn't seem to be everywhere,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Like so does he ever fact check himself and actually say, hey,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: wait a second, I'm just blabbing something out. Can I
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: actually can I actually up?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: No, he doesn't know, he doesn't present anything. Okay, all right,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I'll just keep going.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that in mind, you will be encouraged to listen
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: to people who will sell you generational wars and gender
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: wars and culture wars, constantly trying to recruit you for
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: their wars. These people saturate social media. Do not buy it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: Women are not your enemy. Black people are not your enemy.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Lgbt people are not your enemy.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: God good men are not your enemy. But how about that? Sorry,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just getting really pissed off now, men are not
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: your enemy.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's the implication when he says women are
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: not your enemy? What black people are not your enemy?
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: What's the implication? That's that's implication. The implication is that
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: the people he's speaking to hate blacks and women and
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: LGBTQ people. That's the implication that you would I would.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I just I want to say this. I entered a
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: playing field, however, many decades ago, in which men were
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: firmly framed as the enemy, and they are still considered
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the enemy to this day by by all kinds of
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: interests with plenty of institutional power and platforms to broadcast
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: their message that men are the enemy. Why don't we
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: just get rid of that. Let's just put a hold
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: on it, maybe for a day, a year, or a decade,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: just forget it. Men are not the enemy. Why if
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: men are the enemy? Generally the enemy isn't responsible for
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: keeping your lights on, you know, it isn't responsible for
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: your ability to flush your toilet, doesn't build your houses,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: doesn't maintain your infrastructure and bring you your food. That's
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: not usually the action of the enemy. So when can
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: we fucking stow this narrative that men are the enemy.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: And you're absolutely right, Brian. When he says don't treat
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: women as the enemy, don't treat black, he's saying men
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: are the enemy. That's what he's saying in reverse, in negative.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: It's really infuriated.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's done in a really passive, aggressive way to write.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: He won't just come out and say it, he'll instead
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: imply it, like with this this feminine language. But but yeah,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: that's kind of what why I was like getting really
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: frustrated with this video too. And of course he has
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: nothing to offer them. So, but let's keep going.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: There will be those who paint them all in the
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: worst possible light, usually via the most uncharitable examples. You
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: are sold to the general idea.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, we slow down, sir buckaroo painting a
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: group of people and the most uncharitable light. You are
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: right now generalizing a group of people and painting them
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: in a very uncharitable light. Yo, are you speaking to
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: a mirror like he says that Jesus Christ?
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I do, No, I do, I will say,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I think, I think. So this is like a new
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: thing that I've been seeing lately. I think this guy
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: is afraid. So men have basically stopped doing as they're told,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: which is the thing that he's promoting here. He's like,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: don't let people control you. Also do as I say. Right,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: But men, men in large numbers, are like, you know what,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: like this nothing? This society has nothing to offer me,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: and in particular these people who advocate for you know,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: various political things. And I've been saying this for years
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: and years and years. You can go to my Twitter
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: you can see my pinpost. The left cannot offer men
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: anything because they have attacked them relentlessly. In fact, they
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: depend on men being in this sort of like evil,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: oppressive class in order to sustain their own relevance. So
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: there's no way, I mean like no way that they
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: could possibly pull that back and get men back. And
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: they have driven them so far away that now the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: only people left is basically the non left, which is
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: everybody else to actually try to communicate. But this guy,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: who is a leftist, and I promise you he is,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: is desperate because now they're afraid. Now they realize that
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: men are people, and that sometimes those people decide they
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: don't want to associate with you anymore and they move away.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: And that's what they have done. They have gone to
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: other content creators or influencers online that actually understand that
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: men matter, whatever it is. And you might not like
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: some of those influencers, but you know what this is
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: bed you have made. You have created the conditions for
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: this to be the case, and I am here for
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: it because I need you to see what you have done.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: So when you say, like, guys, where are you going?
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I think he's afraid. I think that his relevance is
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: is cratering like this whole like atheists, new atheist movement
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: from back in the day atheism plus feminism already killed that,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: but it's not done yet, and they don't realize it
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: because they're still blaming the wrong people for what's happening
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to their you know, belief system. And so I think
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: that this is he is afraid. I think that he's
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: scared because he's losing, He's losing the men in his audience.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: I bet that he's bleeding subscribers, just like David Packman,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: just like the majority of Report, just like all of
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: these other like Kyle Kolinski and the Young Turks, they
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: are bleeding support because the men that used to watch
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: them are walking away from it, and they're like, Nope,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: these people don't give a fuck about me or what
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I need, and they haven't given me anything, and I
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: don't want whatever it is they're offering anyway, because you know,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: it's not like Bernie Sanders are going to do anything
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: for me, like I have to do for myself, and
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go do for myself. But I don't
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: need you to do that. And I think that this
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: is putting them in a very very disadvantaged position, and
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: they feel they need to respond, and this is his
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: desperate attempt to get men back in the on the
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: plantation essentially, and I don't think it's going to work.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, all these these individuals, and I don't even want
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: to call on the left because they're not. They're a
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: freaking They're the party of the threat narrative, and the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: threat narrative needs a villain, and the villain is men.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: So the only thing that they have to offer men
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: is being the enemy. You get to play the enemy,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: but you get to play the enemy that underwrites everybody.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: You get to play the enemy that make sure everybody's
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: protected and safe and provided for. But in the end
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: of the day, you're the enemy. You're just happen to
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: be the one who's feeding everyone, who's making sure they
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: have their lights, you know, or like lights are on,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: who's building their platforms that they tell you that you
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: are the enemy on That's that's it. That's all they have.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: That's all they have for men. They don't have. They
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: don't even have the traditional liberal principles, you know, the
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: idea that people should have the right to be able
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to speak their mind, they should be able the right
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: to associate with whomever, they should have the right to
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: be able to pursue merit in a system that's fair.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: That those are the traditional liberal values. They don't even
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: have that anymore, because, as I've said multiple times, the
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: so called left is simply a threat narrative that uses
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: men and women to defend its own interests. That's it,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: that's all they are. Now. So men are villains, and
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: what do they have for women? You're the victim. You're
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: a victim. That's what you are. And that's all you are, okay, right,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: And they mean all men when they say men.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: They mean men.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: People say, oh, they mean they're on a war with
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: straight white men. Yeah, But the problem is that gay
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: men are the straight white men of gay people. Black
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: men are the straight white men of black people. Like,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: do you notice that it's always men at the end
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: of the day. Always, it has to be men at
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: the end of the day.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how it sustains itself. All right, let's play
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: some more.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Then there won't be any room for you. That is
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: a lie. You will be told that your preferred way
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: of life is under attack by those people. That is
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: a lie.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Actually, no, it's not like men. What's happening right now
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: in with men that are trying to get into relationships,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: or they want to pursue higher education or a job.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: What's happening to them? What has the me too movement
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: done for men's careers? What like that? The men are
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: being harmed by these policies, by these social movements, and
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: he's just pretending like that it's a lie. Like if
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a guy this is his job because a woman wanted
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: his job and so she made an allegation, this guy
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: would tell them no, no, that didn't happen. That's a lie.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: That's not happening to you. You must have done something
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: to cause this, because women never do that, right, even
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: if every apparatus is backing them up, nay, encouraging them
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: to do it. Like if a man ends up getting
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: a divorce and the divorce lawyers come in, they're like,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: you know you can take I have a shit right here,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: we have all of the all the tactics, here's the playbook.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Get all of that money because we're gonna get our cut.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: And the woman acts on it that this guy, this
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: guy will tell you no, no, no, that's not happening.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: You must have done something. You must have acted badly,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: you must have behaved poorly. In order for this to
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: be the case. This is why it's kind of frustrating,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: because there's zero desire, not even like empathy, because that's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: not that's kind of an empty thing. There's not even curiosity.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: There isn't even curiosity. Be like, well, let me look
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: at the situation for men here, let me see if
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: there are things that are unjust let me see if
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I can like get through like some research without landing
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: on me capitalism bad or some other straw man nonsense
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: and actually look at like what the actual you know,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: forces are at play here, where the incentives are at
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Why are men, you know, being accused of all these things?
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: What is doing and is this real? I mean when
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: he says they're showing you a lie, you mean, like good,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: just going on the whatever podcasts and just seeing how
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: women act, just going on TikTok, just going on X
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: and just saying, hey, ladies, what do you think man
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: or bear? Just seeing that like it's it's not hidden,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: they don't. You don't have to like dig, you just
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: go to you know, what is it, the female dating
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: strategy on Reddit? You just look at it's it's women's
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: views on men, their opinion on men, it's just out
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: there and men just see it. And this guy's saying,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: oh no, no, that's the fresh and fit guy's lying
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: to you. No, you don't need them to show you.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: You can just look for yourself. So like, again, who
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: are you serving when you tell men this? You are
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: basically telling them to get back in the meat grinder
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: and stop complaining?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, And funnily enough, he starts all of
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: this by saying, while I didn't want to be treated
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: as expendable as a man, can you extend that other man? Like? Yeah,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: as you as you advocate for a side that vilifies
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: them and justifies treating them as expendable. I mean, what
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: do you think? How do you think certain animals end
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: up in the in the abattoir? I think that's how
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: you say it. It's because we treat them as expendable, right,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: That's that's the beginning. And and how do we justify
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: bombing another country? We treat them as the villain? Right,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: That's that is where our sense of expendability comes from.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: So how can you say, oh, I didn't want to
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: be treated as expendable as a man, but then not
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: question how that expendability is manufactured? You know, in terms
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: of people's narratives around men.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, it was a little bit. This is kind of
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: like the this is the ultimate, like what I was
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: gonna say this section I'm playing. This is basically the
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: main chunk of actual things that I could respond to.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: So it's just another way to keep us divided. Human
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: beings are strongest when we're united, and those who have
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: power keep their power by keeping their enemies weak, and
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: they keep their enemies weak by dividing them.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: So you're saying that the whatever podcasts and fresh and
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Fit and entertain have all the power and not the
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: gigantic feminist apparatus. Is that what you're saying? Because I
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: agree with you, The left, not liberals. The left divides
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: people because that's how they get their power. Not liberals.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: That's different. They co opted that. Just making it clear, Okay,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: before liberals get I'm liberal, I don't agree with that. Yes,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: you're not the left, you're liberals. Those are different.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Things the left.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: This is no, that's there are they're not liberals. Like
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I have to say it,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: that's not the same.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I want to say. Okay, if you don't realize they're
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: not the same. Notice how many former leftists are now in.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Trumps right, yeah, right exactly, or the non left as
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I as I coin it, which is basically everybody else.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, well again, I'm just going back
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: to this. Feminists they they don't care about women. I'm
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: just gonna focus on feminists, but you can apply this
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: broadly to leftists and commis all over. But feminists, by
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: and large, they don't care about women. No, they just don't.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: That's not really in their you know, like Charter, it's
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: not their goal because if it was, they wouldn't constantly
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: be coming up with new ways to say that women
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: are oppressed and therefore you need to give them money.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: So they are only concerned with maintaining their relevance. It's
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: about keeping their jobs.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, I have a question for the chat because they're
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: like liberals, aren't leftists. Okay, what exactly do you leftists believe? What?
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Could you?
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Could you enunciate eight? What it is? Yeah?
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I believe they believe in equity. Let them say okay, okay.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Let's see what they have to say, Like, what are
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: your principles? All right, and just just tell it in
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: the chat let's just hear it. Let's hear it all right.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Well, the chat is very special, but I appreciate them
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: being there, all three, three and sixty of you guys,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: So thank you actually for me. Yeah, that was like congratulations.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I think it was like six hundred. But yeah, pretty good.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good, I think so.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: But mostly they were just dune scrolling. They were just like, Okay,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: what's this about.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, we get a lot of confusion watchers.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, that's fine. I just I'm just saying
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: it's important that people understand.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: That they're trying to figure it out, because I think
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: that we sound like some weird amalgam of conservative and
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: liberal at some points. And maybe I'm bringing more of
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: the liberalism than you are, Brian, But it's.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Like, I mean, how am I not liberal? So I'm saying, like,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: how am I not liberal? Okay, look that's a different conversation.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: But all what I'm saying is ultimately, leftist is not
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: liberal and right wing is not conservative. These are not equal.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: And I've made a video about this and I've talked
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: about this a million times. They are not the same.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Stop using them interchangeably. They're not the same. But this
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: guy is claiming that the manisphere is divisive and is
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: apparently a powerful force, even though it's all just dudes
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: on the internet and not the government, and not the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: academic you know field, and not in the media, and
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: they're not the involved in like know in in in
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: the like the let's say, the major entertainment sphere. None
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: of those areas are man of sphere spots like that.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: They're literally he's he's blaming the small voices and saying
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: that they should just fall in line with the extremely
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: powerful ones so and claiming that they're the ones being divisive.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: It's essentially saying, why aren't you doing as this woman,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: this strange woman is telling you to do. Why aren't
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: you doing as you are told?
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: So let's uh, let's continue, let's finish dark matter so
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: we can get to the actual topic, which is.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Getting them against each other. Yeah, that's what's happening to us. Now.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: You can be traditional if you want, but that doesn't
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: require demanding it of everyone else. Look at me, I'm
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: nearly everything they tell you to unapologetically be. I'm a veteran,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: I carry a gun, I'm a straight white man, a landowner,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: a homeowner, a husband, a father, a weightlifter. On paper,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I'm the perfect soldier for the traditional cause, but most
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: of my friends are professionally traditional.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah he's calling it. Well oh wait, wait, wait, Allison,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: did you just say that just because something has the
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: traits of something, it doesn't make it the label that
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: people use on it, Because that's crazy. That'd be like
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: me saying, you know what, I like small government, and
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: also I don't think that gays should be rounded up
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: and put into camps. And they'll be like, whoa, that's
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: awfully progressive and yet not It's like, no, it's just
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: what I think. It's probably not that wild.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so well, I mean the thing is okay, well
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: let's let's let's fit. I wish he would get to
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: a point that we can discuss.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Well, he's trying to say, Look, this is what he's
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: His point is. He is saying that he basically makes
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: this mistake of presuming that a man man who tries
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: to do all of the things that are considered what
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: does he call it the traditional man? He thinks that
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: that means that they that comes with a bunch of
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: other negative traits that he just associates with men who
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: are traditional because he hates tradition. I guess, like at
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: least that kind. I mean, he's a progress he's basically
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: living in a bit of a contradiction, or at least
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: that's what he thinks, because he's like, well, I do
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: all the man things, but I'm also a progressive. It's like, well, yeah,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: but those things aren't mutually exclusive. Yeah, just like most people,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: those things are not mutually exclusive. He's like, no, they
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: have to be. They have to be because otherwise how
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: would I stand out? How could I be the one
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: good man above all other one good men. That's what
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I'm doing right now, right.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, I just have one dividing line. Do
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: you think men are the enemy? Or do not think
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: men are the enemy?
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Well concerned not that his concern is not that.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: His concern is our women the enemy. That's his concern.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: And if men, if he thinks men are treating women
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: as the enemy, then they then they just they're not
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: human until they change that. So well, I mean not.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Even not treating men and women as the enemy, just
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: not treating them as just treating them as neutral like
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: just to.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: You know, like moment, no human beings, right like me, like.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Just okay, women exist, they vote for their interests. We're
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: going to vote for our interests the end. That's not
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: even treating women as the enemy. It's just not caring.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: It's being indifferent. I don't think he's I think he
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: would consider that treating women as the enemy too. I mean,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: it's a great indifference. Really, Yep, yep, all right, let's
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: keep going.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: I'd venture to say that a lot of my hundreds
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: of thousands of subscribers are progressives, and yet they accept
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: me for who I am. They don't care that my
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: life is traditional because I don't waste my life attacking them.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Do you are you being encouraged to do so by whom?
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: And why have you ever asked yourself these things? I've
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: made mistakes in the past. Yeah, I've said insensitive things
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: in the past, and sure some people have had problems
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: with that. And in response, it would have been very
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: cheap and easy to turn my back on my values
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: out of spite and become a successful grifter for those
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: who want to sell you culture wars. But that's not
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: who I am. I wouldn't, all right, So.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: You're not selling a half of the culture war like
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: you just you are saying, you are putting the onus
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: on the manisphere for the existence of men's I don't
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: even think it's fear. It's just discomfort with the world
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: as it stands. You're putting that on the manisphere. You're
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: saying you got the causal arrow reversed. Because if the manisphere,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: like if the manisphere disappeared tomorrow, men would still be angry.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Men would still be experiencing disenfranchisement through DEI, through diversity,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: equality and inclusion, hires that literally discriminate against men. All right,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Men would still be experiencing these things if you silenced
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: every Manisphere person talking about them, so that the manisphere
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: isn't constructing the problem. The issue is that you are
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: constructing the problem. And you can't be trusted to talk
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: about men. And I'm going to tell you why. Because
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: he is a one good man. He has invested his
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: identity in being better than other men, different than other men,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: in silencing other men and saying that other men's opinions
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: are not valid. He uses his podium to invalidate the
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: opinions of other men. How can he be then said
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: to talk for anybody but himself and this whole and
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: here's the big thing. There is a seduction in this
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: narrative about being the one good man and making every
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: other man the enemy, because then you are the best.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: You are the worthy man, the only worthy man, the
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: man who really is legitimately every woman deserves every woman
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: because you advocate for their interests. You're the only one right.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Every other man is fallen but you. And there is
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: this huge egotistical seduction to that narrative. And I think
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: he's he's in there, he's in that space.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Brian, Oh, yeah, I know. Well that's what I'm saying.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Like this is kind of ultimately where this goes is
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: he's basically saying I have all of the surface level
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: qualities of a chauvinist, misogynist man, and yet I am not.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: I am better, I am progressive, and all of my
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: friends are progressive, and my audience is progressive, and yet
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: they don't judge me because I have all these trad
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: surface level qualities. Why why are you doing that? And
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: it's like, what do you what are you accusing these
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: people of? What are you trying to say? Like and
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: and also like you know you can say all this now,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: but if one day your wife just like divorces you
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: or maybe somebody you know that you're close to does
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: and he loses everything and then he takes his own life.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Are you gonna complain that,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: like you know about the manisphere some more, or are
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: you going to like look into what actually is who
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: actually holds the cards in this situation? Now? What where
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: are the problems coming from? I think that this is
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying when I say this guy is afraid.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Number one, he's afraid of losing that. His ideology, his
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: progressive ideology, is losing. It's losing ground at a massive rate.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: And it's coming from men. I mean, women are still
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: mostly on board. And we already talked about this in
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: a bit of a show when we looked at the drift,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: the political drift of women moving crazy crazy left and
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: men moving slightly right, not even really just slightly. Mostly
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: they're staying the same. Mostly men still don't hate women.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Mostly men would love to just be able to just
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: find a nice girl, start a family, get married, not
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: in that order, get married, start a family, and then
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: just carry on from there. But they're not the ones
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: being put in a under a threat narrative that basically
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: says that the opposite sex wants you, you know, raped
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: and dead and pregnant and in the kitchen all at
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: the same time. That's not a narrative men are getting.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: That's a narrative women are getting. And they're not getting
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: it from men. Okay, they're getting it from They're getting
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: it from their teachers, They're getting it from their parents
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: in many of their single moms. They're getting it from
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: social media. They're getting it from influencers. They're getting it
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: from their entertainment, They're getting it from their music. They're
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: getting it from everywhere, and many of them buy into it,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: and they also feed into it as well. They have
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: been propagandaized to be terrified of men and of society
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: as a whole. And that's why they're the ones having
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: panic attacks on TikTok about the election. They're the ones
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: crying their eyes out. They're the ones threatening to kill people.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: They're the ones that have actually killed people. If you guys,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: remember the story of the woman who kills her father
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: with an ice axe because he voted for Trump, or
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: she suspected that he voted for Trump. We don't even
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: know if he did, because he was infirmed and dependent
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: on her to take care of him because he was
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: in his seventies and she murdered him. And when the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: police showed up, she was laughing, covered in his blood
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: and clapping and saying that she's finally free. Men aren't
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: doing that. Women are doing that, okay, So who is
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: telling them that that is acceptable? And this is why
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: this is so frustrating when this guy is like still,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: he's basically just engaging in containment. Oh, we're just gonna
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: go back to the status quo. Guys, go back to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: your normal lives where you are basically alone, You have
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: no prospects, you have like very little going for you
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: because all of these things are in your way, all
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: of these obstacles to your education, to your future potential
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: to making money. And if even if you do have
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: a job, and even if you do do well, you're
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: probably still not gonna attract the majority of women because
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: they're looking for the guy with six figure six inches,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: a six pack, and you know, and he's six feet
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: taller or more, because they have bought into this idea
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: that they are at once under the thumb of men everywhere,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: but also deserve the absolute best men, and they're actually
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: buying into it with girl math. So I don't think
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: this guy has anything useful to say at all, and
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: he's speaking from nowhere, like it's like another play in
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: it where you know, there are men who I guess
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: they can just decide they're just going to get their
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: life together and it just happens, and that everything is
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: going to fall into place for them, because that's the
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: feminist narrative about men, and I think he believes it.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: So those are my thoughts on that.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: I'm just looking at Spencer g in the chat and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: seeing what he has to say. Okay, does this guy
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: ever make a point?
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: This individual, Allison? That is the point. The point is
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: that he's he is the quintessential example of the good man,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: and he's wondering why men aren't doing that, so they
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: should stop watching you know these like I don't know
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: the Manisphere stuff, I guess and just be like him.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: I mean that's it. That's the I'm sorry, but it
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: was a long It's like a fifty minute video, but
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: that's really the only takeaway and I watched the whole
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: fucking thing.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Mm. Well, I don't know if we necessarily need to
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: continue need to watch so basically, men be like me
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: and vote Kamala Harris.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I guess well, no, the election's over. But basically saying
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: that men be like me and please, don't you know
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: oppress women.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's get it. Do you have one last Let's
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: give them one last chance to make a point.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: All right? Is there anything? He just elaborates on this point.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: So I'm able to live with myself if I did that,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: and in the end, progressive people still accept me for
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: who I am. So I gotta say when people claim
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: that my way of life is under attack by them,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: by my own friends, it rings quite hollow. But then again,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: I have a lot of life experience and I know better,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: so I'm not exactly the target audience. You are, your
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: men of this world a powerful food? Are you for
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: their call?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Okay? Okay, stole the estrogen lady could just dial back
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: the church lady contempt a little bit like it's just alwars.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, I am getting like I'm getting secondhand sort
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: of like shaming from this. I don't know how to
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: describe it. It's like the way he's talking, it's so
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: so self righteous, and you know what I mean, it
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: just has a.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Bad way it is. Yeah, that's the way progressives are alise,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: and they know that they're better than everybody else. That's
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: why they can talk to them. However, they like, all right,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: that's true, though, Like what, I'm sorry, but I'm just
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: kind of tired of playing this game. Progressives think they're
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: better than everybody, and they they're they're they think their
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: brains are big, and so they talk big, but they
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: don't say anything of substance. Nothing this guy says is
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: useful to anyone. Okay, it might sound really assertive because
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: of the way he's saying it, but if you listen
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: to the substance of his words, they're empty. They're hollow.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: So the only way that like, like, I could you
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: know who I could bring on as a good counter point,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: because if you guys like beardy dudes that talk really serious,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: I could bring on hammer hand. He could probably demolish
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: this guy, to be honest, because he knows what's really
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: going on. He knows that the problems are not simply
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: men are frustrated and I don't know they're angry at women.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: It's it's not that like if women said we love you,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: men would put their weapons down immediately. Not that even
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: intend to use them. But I'm saying figure, well, I
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: mean like they're no, they're words, like they're you know,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: they're trolling online whatever it is, cat turd, you know,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: same deal, the nineteenth I mean I think that, Like,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: but the thing is is that women have a leftist
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: women specifically have been only emboldened to hate men even
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: more to the point where they can make death threats
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: or even actually kill them. And I don't think I
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: mean that's it's just what's happening. Like you could say
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: they're termally online and I might agree, but it doesn't matter.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Like this is the reality and dark matter has nothing
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: to offer them. That's why he's making this video. It's
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: a desperate move. He is desperate for men to remain
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: progressive because he believes that being progressive is the best
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: thing you can be, because he is the one good man.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: That is where this comes from. There is no other
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: substance to this is it is as large as an
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: ocean and deep as a puddle. So long ass video,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: fifty minutes, not much being said.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that. Okay. I do want to
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: eventually talk respond to Spencer G because at least he
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: actually Honestly, I think he did more work than the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: guy in the video. But let's let's let him finish
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: this point.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: Who could be directed? Who isn't really your enemy? You
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: know what, dough my tradition.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this though, we're just so, I'm
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: just gonna put it out there, Okay, Yes, I don't
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: think that men see women as their enemy. I don't
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: think they do. But do women see men as their enemy? Yea,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: maybe that's what you should be asking.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Like, you can just say men don't see women as
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: the enemy, but maybe what's happening is they're reacting to
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: women seeing men as the enemy. And it's not even that. Honestly,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: I don't when I listen to the red pill bro stuff, like,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: it's not as nasty as the stuff I see coming
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: out of female Dating Strategy or the radfems or or
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: even now the four B response to to Trump's win,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: Like that's some really nasty stuff, really violent and disturbing.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: For the most part, the red pill bros still want
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: to have a relationship with a woman. They still maintain
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: the idea that that women in their life is a
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: good thing and that they appreciate femininity. Right this is
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: what I hear now. I mean I disagree with them
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: in terms of not holding women accountable for things and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: just saying well, that's the way women are.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: I think women are the way they are now because
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: they lost their jobs two centuries ago and now we've
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: seen that they've been living on their own shit for generations,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: and that's what they look like. It isn't necessarily female nature.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: It is female nature having incredible like being idle and
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: not having their own thing that they used to have
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: and also living on their own shit, their own mental shit,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: for several generations. So I don't think that this is
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: what women necessarily are. Okay, So I would disagree with
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of red pill bros. On that, But I
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: don't see the red pill like honestly, And I've done
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: this on Twitter. I've tweeted out stuff i've seen radfem
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: say and stuff i've seen turfs say, and stuff i've
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: seen people in female dating strategy say. And I've said, Okay,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: show me anything comparable from the red pill, Like, show me,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: because I'm not seeing it. And it's like that, there's
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: just so a lot of this stuff, a lot of
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: what we're seeing. Maybe it has nothing to do with
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: men seeing women as the enemy. Maybe it has everything
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: to do with women seeing men as the enemy. Okay,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: that's just.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one, that's what I think. Well, I got a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: superchow and I got a super chat, so I should
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: read them. So Graaton Dorith gives us ten dollars superchow
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: and says, for all his posturing while addressing men, remember
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: that the last video the Just the Car uploaded on
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: YouTube was addressing dark Matter twenty five to twenty five,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: in which Just Car criticized his gender fluid stance with
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: dark Matter, denying that there is such a thing as
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: male or female. What is a man? An adult human
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: being who will be drafted for a war if necessary,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: no matter if he wants to or not. Well that's
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: the thing, right, Like he can deny the existence of
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: a binary while also presenting a binary that is the
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: you know, men and everybody else, including progressive men, I guess,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: and that's the binary. So uh And then I got
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: a super chat from v and I can't pronounce that,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: but it looks like some German shit. So I'm just
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: gonna say the the buttock and he says, this channel
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: used to be honey, Badger Radio with Hannah and then
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: that went on Kumite with Taka Saw and Medica or
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: is this a different Honey Badger. This is the same,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: but this is an alternate channel. So yes, this is us.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you and thank you for the five dollars. Appreciate it. Okay,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: we never stopped. We've always been here.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: All right, So that's it for this. Our seven years
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: ago was greatly exaggerated.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Greatly exaggerated. Okay.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: So uh anyway, so now we got Hannah Cox and
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: she made a video called do these men think Trump
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: can Get them a girlfriend? Which is where the title
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: of this video comes from.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, that wasn't I wasn't saying that in earnest,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: although it does it does actually tie into something that
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: I have been talking about. But before we do that,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: I wanted to look at what Spencer G had to say,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: because I did do the challenge of could you explain
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: this man's point? And Spencer G said he was in
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: the vertical chat So thank you special vertical chat men objectively,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: statistically and quantifiably hold all the cards. Zero room for debate.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, well I guess we're going good night, guys,
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  Speaker 4: have a good one, describe and all that. Bye, I'm
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: gonna go get on my golden plane and fly to
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: the moon where my secret base is at because I'm
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: a man, and put on my crown.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah well, okay, then go live in the world where
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: everybody believes that Spencer g that we have figured it
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: out as the human the human race, you know, two
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: million years old.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: We finally figured everything that's gotta be, that's gotta be bait,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Spencer G in your in your favor. I'm going to
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: presume that you were trying to bait us, because you
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: couldn't possibly be that stupid. So I'm gonna say that
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: you were just you were just you were just being
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: like pretending to be retarded. So just say you're pretending
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: to be retarded, because if you're not pretending, then I
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: guess it's real.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: So if men have all the influence, and why suddenly
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: is the left really worried about men having influence? Like
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: this is what this is all that we're talking about
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: right now. We're talking about people on the left who
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: call themselves on the left worrying about men suddenly having influence.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: This is it? So if men always had influence, why
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: are you all suddenly worrying about theirs?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: It's not just influence, it's all the cards. Isn't that
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: how you said it? Oh? Yeah, all the cards doesn't
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: mean influence. It means always means absolute powers.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: All the cards, that would mean all the influence. Why
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: are you guys suddenly worrying about men's influence right now? Huh? Okay?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: Spencer G says it really comes off that you two
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: are hyper online and don't really have a finger on
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: the pulse of data and reality. Just your observers bias
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: about what you see every day. Yeah, we talk to
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: men every day. We're about for some of the few
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: channels that actually do that. Even channels that are for
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: men don't usually talk to men who are going through
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: this stuff, right, Okay, Spencer G. I just want to
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: finish this genuine question for the streamers. Do you believe
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: men have an elevated systemic position in society?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: No, it's not even about belief, it's about facts. How many?
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: How many can you name a policy or law or
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: something in one of our founding documents in whatever country
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: you're in that explicitly benefits men and not women.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and the other thing is, even if
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: it does benefit men, How do you implicitly, how do
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: you bring in things like asymmetrical expectations placed on men,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: like men need to go to war to fight, or
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: the fact that in around the world, if women became
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: men tomorrow, they would be dying three to four to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: five times more often because the male role explicitly is
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: one of self sacrifice and the expectation of protecting others
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: and sacrificing themselves in terms of providing and doing jobs
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: that are very dangerous. So how can you look at
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: that and just ignore that? Right? Okay, and so let's
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: let's see the next question.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: I got Richard Bierre gave us a super chow someone
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: to read it really quick for five dollars, and.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: He says, question, sorry.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: He actually has the audit. Well, I can't be here
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: all night, Allison. He actually has the audacity to say
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: that fully achieving your goals might be a bad thing
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: because once the goal is achieved, then you are left
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: with living a life of quiet desperation because you don't
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: have anything else to struggle towards. No, just become a
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: progressive and they'll let you in their club. Maybe his
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: example being Robin Williams, who had immense success and still
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: took his own life. He of course doesn't mention the
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: dementia that Robin was suffering from where he was in
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: fear of the things that he might do to his
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: family when he was experiencing an episode of not recognizing
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: the people around him. Also, Robin Williams notoriously had struggled
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: with depression and substance abuse problems. But a lot of
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: this comes from, you know, something that was not addressed
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: appropriately from his early life, which of course we are
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: not allowed. See, He's a thing like, you can't even
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: really talk about men having problems if people are not
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: even open to the possibility that those things matter. And
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: I know that there are men who watch us that
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: have problems and they don't share them. You know how
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: feminists are always like, just just share your feelings, bro,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: They don't actually want to hear it. Way of silence. Yeah,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: it's a way of shutting them up so we don't
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: have to We don't.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Have to deal with men's problems because they don't talk
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: about them. And there it's their fault they don't talk
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: about them.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, but anyway, that's all of let me
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: just make sure I didn't miss anything. I think that's
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: all of the super Child super Child.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: So oh, I do have to do it. Thank you,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: Thank you for Richard Beer for sponsoring this double double
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: feature for the tune of one thousand dollars.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Wow, thank you so much. Here you go by the way,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I should on the stand and it get hot.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of it. I got hairy legs,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: that turn that that that that that that turn blonde
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: in the sun. And the kids used to come up
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: and reach in the pool and rub my leg down.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: So it was traded and then watched the hair come
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: back up again. They look at it. So I learned
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: about roaches, I learned about jumping on my lap, and
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: I love kids jumping on my lap. I know that
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: was a bit long winded, but it was worth it
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: for the money. So thank you for that little little anecdote.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: Oh ok, all.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Right, so let's jump Okay. This is Hannah Cox. She
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: is a libertarian feminist, and I'm gonna jump to this
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: thing where she talks about the you're gonna love this,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: the victim complex that men have. Again, this is this
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: is in line with Dark Matters video as well, because
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: Apparently men having grievances is having a victim complex. Also,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: men share your feelings more.
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  Speaker 5: It's by opportunists who want to use their misery to
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: advance their own power, instead of being told what I'm
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: gonna say, which is man up, roll up your sleeves
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: and get to work. Like this coddling is not good
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: for anybody. I think it feels good to people in
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: the moment, but allowing people to stay in their delusion,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: allowing people to like feel sorry for themselves, in the
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: long run, you only hurt them. Anybody feeding you a
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: message of grievance politics, whether it be the red pill
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: groups online or right wing politicians, does not have your best.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Rus Feminists, which they've been feeding that to women for
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: how many generations? Now?
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Good question.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: I mean she identifies as a feminist. Do you ever
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: look in the mirror when it comes to grievance? And what?
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: And again right off the path, I don't have to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: prove that feminist basic premise is wrong. That is patriarchy conjecture,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: because it's never been proven right. In fact, it's never
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: in the literature, and I've read quite a bit of
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: the literature. It has never been stated in a way
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: that could be proven wrong or right true or false.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Like nobody ever thought, Hey, this foundational myth that we're
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: going to push out as as the essential, like this
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: is this is the relationship between men and women. Hey,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: maybe we should look at that and see if it's
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: actually true. Maybe we should spend a little time testing
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: that before we make it policy of the land. We
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: start teaching it to six year olds. Right, Nope. Never,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: It was just shout out and then basically crowned as
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: the truth without any kind of expectation of being held
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: to a standard scientific standard of reality. Shall we say, okay,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: so right there. Women's primary narrative of grievance has never
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: been proven true, and there is plenty of evidence to
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: show that it isn't that it couldn't possibly be true
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: because people care about women more than men. How do
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: you construct a society that cares about men more than
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: women from the collective choices of people who care about
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: women more than men? How does that happen? The answer
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: is it doesn't. The answer is it's a narrative designed
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: to trigger they're already existing biases towards women in favor
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: of protecting women. It's bullshit. And it's now a very
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: very loud, pervasive bullshit that's never been proven true, and
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: it's a grievance that's almost built into the fabric of
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: our society at this point. And of course she isn't
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: going to question it. That would require actually thinking outside
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: the box.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, all right, yep, And you need to learn
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: to recognize that. I would say this across the.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Board with people.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: People are so sensitive and they are so apt to
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: think somebody talking frankly to them is an enemy and
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: doesn't like them and has it out for them, instead
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: of recognizing that actually, the people who are willing to
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: hurt your feelings and tell you hard truth typically care
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: about you more and their tip less selfish in their
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: interest have some interest in that front.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I'm guessing that she's talking about the right,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: actually talking about men's issues right for once and.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Then, which is true? They I mean, Magan Kelly brought
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: it up, Josh Holly's brought it up. Warren Ferrell is
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: getting audiences with some of these people like like legit.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Because he's a gigantic left.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: He is he he wrote, he wrote an article about it.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: He basically wrote an article. I mean, he framed it
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: as the Democrats. You know, they're they're not addressing men's issues,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: and this is why I'm going to be talking to Republicans.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: But I mean, ultimately, what it is is that the
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Democrats have just completely fallen into the left hole, which
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: requires them to frame men and white people and other things,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: but mostly just men it as the enemy, because you
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: need an enemy in order to build a base of
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: dependence that love the state so that they can vote
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: for the state. And that's really ultimately when it comes
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: down to. But like Warren Ferrell is making some headway
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: and people are actually again this comes down to the
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: laws and the policies and the ways in which these
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: things impact men, things like the economy, the jobs, the immigration,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: et cetera. This is not even like it doesn't matter
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: how many individual men you talk to. Those things are
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: real things, dear colleague. Letter is real. It's you can
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: just look at it. The title nine offenses and the
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: issues with that are real. The stuff happening in the
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: military to men is real. I've had people on my
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: show and spoke to them about the discrimination. Things written
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: into the law, not anecdotes, not even statistics, things that
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: are just in the laws. And if you don't know that,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: then you haven't looked into it.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and then and then there's additional stuff like policy.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: It isn't written into the law, but active discrimination against
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: male victims of sexual assault and domestic violence. Now that's
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: stuff that I've seen witnessed firsthand over the last twenty
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: years that I've advocated for this stuff. So it's it's
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: it's there if you just have to listen and see it, okay.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: And of all the people, like people are in the chat,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: we're like, oh, you need to touch grass, you know
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: you're terminally online. Me and Brian and a few other
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: people have the most experience in the world listening to
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: and talking to people to men who have issues okay
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: and don't reframe them in the commonly accepted wisdom, and
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: also talking to people men in particular trying to help
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: other men, Like I believe that me and Brian and
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: like not, we're not the only ones, you know, maybe
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: voice for men people people in the sphere. We have
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: the most experience with this stuff. So it doesn't matter
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: if you say, oh, you need to have real life.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: We do, and we're the only one who do. We
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: have decades of real life experience advocating for these issues,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: trying to help the people, bringing services to men and boys,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: and researching this stuff. Okay, I just wanted to point that.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Out right, all right, Well, I got a rumble rant
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: from Nova fan twenty one gives us two dollars and says,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: women's rights activists, you men built the patriarch to oppress us,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: and you have zero incentive to be kind to us. Also,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: women's rights activists, how do we get you men to
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: care about us? Thank you for that, Nova Fan. Although
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't call them women's rights activists. I think women's
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: rights activists are not the same as feminists, so anyway,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: that's just like I guess semantics.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: In response to me, another person said, I think the
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: overall point is that we have increasingly been living in
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: a culture that demonizes and vilifies masculinity for no good reason.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 5: The right has done an exceptional job of speaking to
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: those concerns. I push back, and I said, I think
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: they've done an excellent job at coddling men, giving them
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: a victim complex, and promising the government as a solution
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: in the exact same way the left has done for women.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: Everyone needs to grow up, and yeah, a.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Government is a solution. Okay, The solution is to stop,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: is to stop funding this shit.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: I want to know which specific promises the government has
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: made to men. Does anybody know? No, I know they haven't,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: but she's claiming they have. She's claiming that the right
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell she means by that, has promised men's stuff,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: and that it is a big government solution apparently, even
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: if and I want to know what if they did
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: do that, and what specifically they have offered, because I've
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: never heard of this, unless you mean they're going to
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: do things that involve taking the government out of stuff,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: which Trump did in his first term when he reversed
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: the Dear Colleague letter and Betsy de Vos created a
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: more level playing field for allegations and stuff in campuses,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: which was good, but when Biden came back, he just
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: put it back in, which basically put men back on
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: the back foot. So if there is a policy or
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: an actual promise, something substantial that has been made, which
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: is what Hannah Cox is claiming, I'd like to see it,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: but I don't think there was, because I didn't hear
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: about anything. Otherwise it would have been a news show topic.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and the funny thing is is Hannah Cox
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: and that's.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Not coddling, by the way, which is another claim that
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: she's making.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: So yeah, actually taking care of the men who take
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: care of society is not coddling. But also it seemed like,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: and I got into this conversation with somebody who said
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: that a recognizing these harms is I don't know, playing
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: the victim. It's like, well, at what point if a
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: person punches you in the face and you punch them back,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: or alternatively, you just block the punch, is that playing
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: the victim? Like? Really, if you acknowledge that a person
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: is hurting you and you may take steps to prevent
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: them from doing so, is that truly playing the victim?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, because you can't, like, you can't stop a person,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: you can't take any kind of effective defensive action before
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: you recognize that harm is being done. And something occurred
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: to me when you were talking about treating men as
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: the enemy. They treat men as the enemy, and yet
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: it's an enemy that's expected to put their interests first
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: and only is that interesting? It's like, and also expected
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: to swallow any kind of aggressive or nasty And I
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: noticed that she didn't even she didn't even address the
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: point that men are being vilified, and they're being vilified
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: by government paid organizations, right, and she says, oh, it's
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: government intervention to prevent that. Well, just stop paying them.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: How is reducing the government a government intervention?
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: Well? And the other thing too, is there is a
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: conflict of interest here because I think men do want
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: the government to be smaller, but despite Hannah Cox avoiding
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: the subject, women want the government to be bigger, mostly
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: unless those women are married and they're in a marriage
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: with a man and they're both raising children together, in
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: which case those women do care about the size of government,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: but the single ones don't. But Hannah Cox thinks that
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: both of these things can coexist in women and it's
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: not a contradiction at all. So again, I just don't
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: think it's well thought through. I mean, it just isn't.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: So okay, I don't know. All right, let's listen to
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: more so this subject. This section is called is there
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: a War on Men? So we're gonna go through the
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: basically the whole thing, but it doesn't go for that
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: much longer.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: I guess fundamentally do not believe what he's saying to
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: be true.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: What he doesn't think it's true that you will what.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be right back. I can hear everything.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: I hear everything.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: Need to stretch on it.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: Face like, Yes, there are some subsets of the population
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: that don't like men. There are certainly ways the left
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: has seemed more hostile towards men, but mostly it has
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: been an error of admission more so than direct attacks.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 5: We typically see them speaking to everybody's issues, but white men,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: white stream.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think that's true. I think you can
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: find plenty of people on bread Tube that just openly
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: are hostile towards men because they're hostile towards patriarchy, which
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: is men. Okay, And there's no getting around that. By
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: the way, she wants to downplay it and be like,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: oh no, it's just like they're just you know, they're
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: just kind of ignoring them. No, that's not really what's
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: going on.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: We exist in an institutional, institutionalized narrative that men are
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: to blame. And again narrative has never been proven true,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: not even it hasn't it has not even been proven
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: that hasn't even been framed in a way that could
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: be proven true or false. In the literature. And if
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: you want to prove me wrong, go find it. Go
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: find the feminist literature that actually tests the null hypothesis
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: when it comes to patriarchy conjecture. Go find it, and
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: I will show you feminist literature that became anti feminist. Okay,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: it asserted something anti feminist, all right, So anyway, all right,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: let's keep going.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: And I understand why that would be a turnoff and
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: why that would push men further right, But I don't
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: believe there have been massive, like cultural attacks on masculinity.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: What that's because you don't care to look like you
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: don't even I mean, she talks about gender and men
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: and she doesn't even do it the least amount of research.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: She just she could turn her act. She could turn
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: herself around and fart out our anus and it'd be
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: more intelligent, like this is. Oh, you don't do the
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: work to understand men, to look at their issues, to
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: look at the literature to see what's actually happening, to
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: examine the methodologies, to look at the statistics to see
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: where the statistics have been turned into bullshit, and to
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: define all of it. You don't do the work. All
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: you do is mouth of your uninformed opinion about men
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: and women within a context that's already been predetermined for you.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: A belief system that you don't question on any level, right, Like,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: of course you don't see it, you don't look for it, Okay.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, true masculinity. What there have been a tacks on
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: is toxic masculinity. Behavior patterns that are stereotypically found among
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 5: too many men to this day, that hurt women, that
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: hurt men, that hurt children.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing you offer nothing, Hanna Coocks, nothing except just more
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: of the same.
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  Speaker 1: So, for any feminists that are watching, can you please
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: give me a quality of masculinity that is unique to masculinity,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: that is positive, that it's a force for good? All right, So,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: because that's what I want to know, because they always
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: bring this up, they never really address it. They just say, oh, no,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking about masculinity. I'm talking about toxic masculinity.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: But what is that? And I know what they'll say
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: it is, But then like, what is the counter to
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: that that is unique? This is the most important part,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: unique to men, something that is not something that women
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: could just do too.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, A positive quality unique to men.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: A positive quality unique to men.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: You talk about the toxic qualities, but never the positive qualities.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: And in fact, to this day, whenever I've asked a feminist,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: they can't identify anything positive about masculinity. So when they
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: say toxic masculinity, that does they mean that masculinity is toxic?
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: Yep, okay.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: Continuing, Sure, there has been a tendency to paint men
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: as stupid or lazy, and that has been harmful, but
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: I covered this when I talked about Bluuie a few
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: weeks ago. I even think that has changed and is
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: going to continue to change because the market is demanding it,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: and that has been rightfully called out.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: But I do not all right. I also want to
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: say one other thing. I forgot to bring it up
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: before when she said that this rhetoric is moving men
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: to the right, just to clarify, men are not actually
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: changing their politics very much at all. Women have moved
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: far left, and I think that men staying still makes
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: it look like they're moving right, but they're not. They're
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: mostly just staying the same. It was a very slight
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: move to the right. But I guarantee you if you
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: asked the average man, yeah's you can bring up South
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Korea if you want, go ahead.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: No, I think they're really moving to the right in
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: South Korea.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the men there are more so, well, they're just
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: sick and tired of feminism, that's it. I don't even
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: really think that. It's like what does that even mean?
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Like does do people even know, you know, what that
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: even means to like move right? So but I'm sure
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: no one's gonna answer that.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: I see these broad attacks on men or masculinity that
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: people in this victim complex continue to try to say
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 5: all around them. And when you push back on some
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: of this, as I often have, when you push back
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: on this whole argument that like men have been held back,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 5: the system is hurting men, men have been set up
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: to fail.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: Literally that literally that's the case. Diversity, equity and inclusion
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: actively discriminates against men. I mean literally that's what people
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: have done. They have made it legal, like law and
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: policy to discriminate against men. How do you freaking how
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: do you even argue against the sannah?
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: And here's another thing too, is that like, well, I
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: want to get back to definition. So like when you
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: say that there is no like systemic and I don't
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: even I kind of hesitant to even use the word.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: But when you say that there is like, you know,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: something attacking men. What do you mean? But like, what
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: does that look like to you? Because what if it's
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: things like you know, what's in our food? What if
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: it's in things like the Great Society that Lyndon B.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: Johnson put into, you know, effect like in the nineteen sixties,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: and how that over the course of generations removed fathers
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: from the home and incentivized women to kick them out,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: in particular in the black population, which is seeing like
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: you know, a lot of harm has been done as
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: a result of fatherlessness, and of course Hannacock's blames the
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: men for that, But there are systemic things and women
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: are still making choices, and they are making conscious choices
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: to act on these things. Is it is it possible
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: that when boys go to school in their entire education system,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: the quality being what it is, which is bad enough
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: already for both men and women, but their education isn't
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: even geared towards the ways that boys learn, and it
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: treats boys like broken girls. And it has from the
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: moment they enter school until they're finished for college. Like
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: if I brought those things up, and I think that
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: there are things that just need some tweaking to fix.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: But you would probably Henna Coops would probably think that
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to like put men in this victim class.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: I don't actually think that, you know. I'm more so
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: sort of co signed with Paul's, you know statement he
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: says there are no victims, only volunteers. But I do
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: think that when you do this to children when they're
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: very young, and you do this slowly over time, and
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: you condition them into a certain mindset that by the
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: time they're like out of high school or college, they're
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: just already in this headspace of being the enemy to
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: women and that women should fear them, which I experienced
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: myself when I went to college. I can I mean,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: if I brought that up and I said that was happening,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: that's not the same as me saying men are victims.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: That's me saying men have problems and those are That's
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: a very important distinction. We're not addressing them. We're essentially
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: incentivizing the destruction of the family, which a lot of
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: people in you know, in this conversation are doing on purpose.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: We need to get to the point, and I will
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: take it even more furtical further, because I'm radical. We
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: need to be able to be as comfortable if we
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: really want to pursue an egalitarian culture so called, we
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: need to be as comfortable talking about men as victims
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: as we are talking about women as victims. And we
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: also need to be as comfortable blaming women as we
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: are blaming men. I mean, how how are we supposed
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: to have egalitarianism if our fundamental emotional attitudes towards men
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: and women are so vastly different that we are so
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: discomforted by blaming women and so discomforted by recognizing that
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: men can be victims. Because the end of the day,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: what does that actually mean? What does that emotional discomfort mean?
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: It means we cannot recognize the consequences of women's actions
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: to the same degree as we recognize the consequences of
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: men's actions. And we can't recognize the idea that men
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: can be acted upon externally in ways that are unfair
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: in the same way that we recognize that women can
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: be acted upon externally in the ways that are unfair.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: These ideas are absolutely conservative, That's the thing. I mean.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: I hear leftists beak off about how women are victims
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: and men are to blame, and I'm like, Yeah, that's
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: in inheritance. That's generations upon generations upon generations of type
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: morally typecasting men and women as completely separate moral categories,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: men as actors, women as things that are acted on.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: And you are all just spouting off the same kind
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: of conservatism if you truly want to be. And this
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: is what really irks me is they use the term
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: progressive when they're not. They use the term liberal when
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: they're not. They use the term forward thinking when they're not.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: They just pair it the same bullshit over and over
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: and over again, without a creative thought between them, without
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: the ability to step out of the true paradigm and
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: actually see beyond it. You guys aren't left, that's the
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: real problem. Or you aren't. They're not liberal.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: They're not.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: They aren't they aren't creative, they aren't innovative. They're just
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: another form of conservatism without being willing to admit it. Okay,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: and conservatism is bad. This conservatism is this, this this
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: kind of pretending LARPing as a conservative is though, in
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: my opinion.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, all right, I got some super chats
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: and then we'll keep going. So Seline, this was a
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: little earlier, gave us a dollar ninety nine and says
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: leftists only care about women if they can capitalize. Well,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: that's what feminists do. They use women to make money
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: and stay in power. The the Butteck again who asked
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: us about the medicare and Tonka Saw gave us two
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: dollars and says lulls keep rocking from beyond the grave. Y'all,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: thank you? All right, so we will all right, let
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: us continue with this.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: The answers out of them like point to a policy,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 5: point to a law, point to what's actually hurting you.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: It doesn't we do.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's go through some laws, hannaous. Okay, So how
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: about first, the first right of any human being is
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: a right to their bodily autonomy, and we violate that
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: whenever babies are born by cutting a bit of their
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: penis off. It's called circumcision or male genital mutilation. That's
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: one that cannot be and it's not even done for
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: religious reasons. By the way. It's sort of like was
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: you that was like the gateway? But I think it
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: was like Kellogg that kind of got that ball rolling.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't matter. It's it's a violation of bodily autonomy.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: It's a violation of your of your rights as a
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: human being. So that's number one as far as rights go.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: And other things could be well, I don't know. We
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: could look at false allegations, the way that the crime
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: of rape is written into law as something that still
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: excludes men from being victims of rape at the hands
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: of women for whatever reason, just because of the language
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: of the law, even though it totally can happen, and
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: in fact it's actually more it happens more often than
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: most people want to acknowledge. There's also the issue of divorce,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: paternity fraud, false paternity, which is like a different kind
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: of big fraud. What's another big one.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: Men cannot legally exempt themselves from the responsibility of parent
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: right even.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: When supported even when they're raped.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: Yes, even when a man is raped, he still is
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: liable for child support and the expectation of supporting a
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: child that was conceived by him being raped. And that
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: is in law, that is precedent in law. Okay, all right,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: keep going.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, like, those are just some of
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: the things that are real that happen that are disproportionately
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: affecting men. Homelessness, the way that we treat our vets,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: like those are mostly men, you know. So yeah, there's.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: Which is a conscription.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: Conscription. Yes, it's another way that men don't have a
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: right to their own body, select to service which they
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: have to sign up for. And if you think, oh,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: that hasn't happened in a while, look at Ukraine. They
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: were conscripted there and they even like extended the age
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: to like forty two or forty five or something. So
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: there were men in their forties that had to fight
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: for Ukraine and probably died and they didn't have a
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: right to get out of that. That's not patriarchy, that's
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: not male privilege.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: And the Ukraine has there like they're a Christian nation,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: they're also Western, well in so far as Eastern Europe
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: can be considered Western. But you know, it's they share
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of cultural values.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it doesn't matter. It's it's the principle. I
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: don't care if they're if they're conscripting people in China,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: I would call it a men's issue. So it doesn't
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: matter where it is. I'm just saying that.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: People can say that, you know, well, Afghanistan, but like
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: the situation with Afghanistan applies to women in the West. Well,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: it's a completely different legal system, a completely different religion.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: And also they are conscripting men as well.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: So yeah, even the trans women stop being trans women
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: when this comes times a conscript.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's just not many examples they have. They will
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: say things like schools have become feminized, which again doesn't
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 5: really make any sense.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: We now have stistical evidence that boys are discriminated against
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: in terms of grades.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so boys will.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: Get better grades if they change their names to female
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: names or gender neutral names. Like they are actively being
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: discriminated against in terms of their grades in schools. Right,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: that's not a law, but it's something that's statistically happening.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: Can we include statistical happenings as well, things that you
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: can see when you look at the science, I would
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: hope so. But I mean we've just set a whole
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: bunch of laws. Genital mutilation, the women men don't have
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: the legal right to separate being raped from becoming a parent,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: conscription and selective service, and uh, you know, I mean
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: those are some pretty big ones. They're all around bodily autonomy,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: which is, you know, bodily autonomy is the basis the
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: base of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Right, men aren't even
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: above the base line. And this woman presumes to speak
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: in complete ignorance. Like I said, her ass would be
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: making more sense than her face at this point, isn't
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: mm hmm. I mean, at least it's more functional because
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: it removes something from her body, you know. Okay, let's
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: keep one all right.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: Always been feminized in the sense that you most likely
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: have a female teacher, and perhaps in the fact that
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: you were expected to be quiet, you're expected to sit
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: in your seat, you were expected to pay attention for
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: a long periods of time. I have a lot of
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 5: issues with the structure of schools. Added to the list
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: of reasons. I am so rapidly pro school choice, But
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: to suggest that men are falling back, yeah.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: That's you know, this is like another look at me.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: I'm libertarian. I advocate for this thing. But if all
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: the schools are doing the same shit, school choice won't matter,
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: and I think they are. Like, there was this, there
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: was this report I saw about. It was basically an
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: argument being made that like, if you think that you
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: can take your children out of public schools and put
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: them into charter schools or private schools or even Catholic schools,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: and that they won't get a woke education. You are wrong,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: Like those places are just as infected because they all
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: get their orders from, you know, like the same sources.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: And so what's the difference. You're going to be preying
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: Catholic school and still learning about feminism and critical race
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: theory or whatever. So there's no avoiding that stuff. The
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: only solution is homeschooling or a gutting of the Department
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: of Education, which hopefully is happening next year, which is
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: what I heard, because it has to change. But the
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: way that boys learn, it's not even like necessarily an
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: abusive thing. It's just ill suited for the ways that
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: boys learn. And you know, I think Hanna Cox is
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: being a bit she's being a little bit dismissive of
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: the seriousness of this because women are getting a higher education,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: they're getting preferential treatment in terms of the diplomas and
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: certification and jobs. And at the same time, while women
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: are doing that much better in all those areas, they're
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: also ending up six figures in debt as a result,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: and they're looking for men who make more than men
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: who make more than they do, or are higher on
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: the ladder than they are, which is again drawing from
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: a very small pool. Because men are not finishing school,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: they're not doing as well because the education is not
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: considering the fact that the sexes are different and therefore
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: they learn differently, and so that puts men on the
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: back foot. And you know, it's just the reality, Like
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: women are looking for men from there, They're looking for
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: men from a very small pool of men that manage
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: to get through all that, and those men are the
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: ones that are gonnat their pick of the litter. But meanwhile,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: the average man, maybe even a man who just wants
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: to do a laboring job. Maybe that's what most people
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: can do. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't think
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: that that's like not a perfectly you know, noble profession.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: If you're a farmer, we need those people. If you're
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: a construction worker, if you work the roads, if you
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: work the pipes, if you work on the electric poles,
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: if you're on the oil rigs, we need those people. So,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: like there's no shame in that. Like women all day,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: you know, like they they think, oh, I want to
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: engineer or CEO or whatever, Well, good luck with that,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: Like that's not most men most men don't. They they're
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: lucky to just have like a regular job. So we've
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: created the conditions for this problem. And it is a
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: social problem, but there's also educational aspects of it too,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: And of course Hannah Cox just wants you all to
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: know that she just doesn't. She does. She believes in
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: school choice and if only they listen to her, everything
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: would be fine now, but it wouldn't actually change anything,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: because all schools are fucked, not just the public ones
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: yet anyway, Well.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: I me mean basically our whole system is fucked because
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: we got to solve this problem.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: Or yeah, yeah, maybe like individual men or in the
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: chat saying well I got my shit figured out. Oh
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: good for you, dude, Like I'm okay too, But that's
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: not that's not the issue. We're not talking about individual
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: people's issues, Okay. Like you, if you have suns, whether
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: you're a man or a woman, you might want to
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: wonder are they gonna be okay? Are your sons gonna
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: be okay? You're not gonna be around for them the
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: whole your whole life. Are they gonna be okay?
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: Are does does our society take their needs and and
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: concerns into account because they will have them because they're
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: human beings.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I ultimately we'll will your sons have something
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: to work for?
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, exactly.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, doesn't make sense.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 5: The schools look virtually like they looked one hundred years ago,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: and that's by design. And that's a problem because the government,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: when it owns something, it prevents those institutions from growing
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: and evolving and changing as you're anything new in the market.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump ahead to where she she talks about.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: Uh fuck, I guess the misogyny versus Missonry, which, of course,
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: Oh this guy, this is, this is this is awful.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: I actually think this guy puts this really well.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 6: Do I think that men are shifting to the right
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 6: politically because women are too Missandrews to them?
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: Okay again, men are not really shifting right that much.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: It's a very slight shift. Okay, But this male feminist,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: this is a male feminist, this male feminist.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: I have never seen this expression. I have never seen
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: the expression on a man's.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: Just a weird pause face.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: No, no, seriously, no, he's making that expression. Look at
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: that expression of contempt. He's really he's gonna tell us
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: all how he's the one good man. Okay, let's hear it.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yes, but no, hear me out.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 6: I think that what you would identify it as missandry
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 6: is a negative response that women have to experiencing misogyny
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 6: on a systemic and interpersonal.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: Level, which they don't. That's never been proven.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: No, no, See, miss andry is just women reacting to
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: thousands of years of misogyny. Men are getting a sting
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: of pain and they are not entitled to that, and
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: women they're allowed to hold men who may be like
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: eighteen years old or nineteen years old accountable for some
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: shit that they never expect. They could be twelve. Yeah,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: sure we can go back six year.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: Old, six year olds accountable for this shit. I've seen
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: that for women, all right, dude, there is no evidence
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: that what you're asserting is true. Almost everybody. The statistical
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: evidence shows women have an n group bias, which means
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: they prefer women to women. Even men prefer women to women,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: and everybody prefers to harm men over women. Where are
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: men women finding all of these people who hate them
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: and discriminate them against them more than they do men.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: Where is this misogyny? It seems more like you use
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: an allegation of misogyny to claim some kind of moral
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: high ground from which you start lobbing attacks.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: All right, okay, all right, so let's keep going.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 6: Because what a lot of men don't understand is that
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 6: what they're experiencing is a response to sexism. Too many
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 6: people treat it as a starting point. And this next
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 6: part is for the boys. I want you to listen
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 6: up for a second. Right want to validate because I've
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 6: experienced it. I know that experiencing those real and genuine
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: feelings that women have about experiencing.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: So nobody cares when anything.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 6: That can feel hurtful As a man, it can feel hurtful.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 6: I'm not denying that.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: This is what This is what the left has, This
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: is what the feminist has.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is the left, Allison. That's the left. It's
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: not liberals. It's the left. It's the communists, it's the feminists,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: it's the activists, it's the influencers, it's the L E F. T.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: That's them. It's okay, just submit it. It's them. You
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: don't have to be one of them. You don't have
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: to defend them, you don't have to defend that position.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: Just attack it because that's what they're worthy of. That's
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: all they have, that's what they are, That's what it is.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: I am right period, Okay, I just want to respond
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: to something. It's Spencer g and the chat again. He's like,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: I'll let you all enjoy your echo chamber. Dude. Everybody
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: but us thinks that women are victims and men oppress them.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: Everybody but us. We have an echo chamber of two people,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: and the rest of you all believe the same damn
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: thing almost without exception.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: Everybody thinks men are to blame. Everybody thinks women are victims.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: Everybody prefers to try to see how women are harmed
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: by things and stop that. Everybody prefers like you show people.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: Do you show people research that shows that women are
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: better than men? They love it. They eat it up.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh my god, that's so perfect. You show
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: them research that men are better at women than something.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: They immediately dismiss it and say it's biased and say
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: that's these the scientists who did it are obviously anti women.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: Everybody loves women. Everybody wants to protect and provide for women.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: We are the only ones you will ever meet that
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: say hey, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what about
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: men do Are we ever going to talk about men?
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: Are we ever going to look at men or we
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: even gonna see the situation for men? Are we ever
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: going to swallow that kind of cringey feeling that you
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: get when you think about men as victims and actually
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: look at the situation rationally? Are we ever going to
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: do that? We're the only ones, you know, like, I mean,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: not just specifically us, but also basically, let's face it,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: me and Brian have beten basically met every human being
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: on the planet who's willing to have this conversation. We
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: know them personally almost, Yeah, we know them personally. And
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: you say that we're in the echo chamber, we're the
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: crack outside of the echo chamber, Like.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but he said echo chamber, and so
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: we're just dead. Now we're crushed. How will we ever recover?
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: It's over? For bad yourselves?
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: A question for everybody who's confused by what I'm dead.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: What is the argument that convinced you that women were oppressed?
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: What was the argument when in your life did you
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: not feel that was the case, and what was the
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: argument that convinced you? And did that argument also include
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: the situation for men. Go think about that, think about
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: it hard. Mm hmm. You may realize that you are
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: already existing within a box that you have never questioned.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let us now, let us now continue to be
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: schooled by this guy who's completely like unlocked the Yeah,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: the sarcophagus to find the truth is that women hating
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: men is men's fault. Is essentially what it.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: Is, Brian, did you see that coming? Did you see
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: the flaming men coming?
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: That's a complete twist TikTok m night Shamalan. Yeah, right,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: I've shed tears over it.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 6: Can feel essentializing, can feel as though people talk about
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 6: you because it is I understand that. What you need
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 6: to understand, what people need to understand. I'm very serious
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 6: about this part is that is a domino, and the
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 6: first domino is misogyny. It is patriarchal systems that oppress women.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 6: Because oppressive sym.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: How much of women's bullshit is excusable?
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: How is it possible for Hannah Cox to be a
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: libertarian and believe in systemic systems because that system systematic
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: systemic systems of institutional institutions. That's that's statust argumentation that
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: is coming from the idea that there are gigantic structures
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: that you can't see or hear or taste or touch
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: or smell, and they but they hold all the power.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: And yet she believe in a government somehow, or at
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: least doesn't think there should.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: Be one, should be one to oppose. This shadows systems
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: of systemic systemhood. Yeah, but here's the other thing, like,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: how much of how much can you excuse of women's crap?
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: Like for now, based on the FBI definition of rape,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: which includes force or threats of force, credible threats of force,
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: millennial women are using force two to three times more
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: often the millennial men to force sex. Okay, can we
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: start blaming when? When? When do women get held account
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: for their behavior? When does the get out of jail
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: free card expire? That's right, never, because the real issue
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: is to continue to perpetuate the conservative notion that women's
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: actions don't matter. That's what he's doing, That's what he's making,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: a gigantic framework to explain why, Oh, girls so cute,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: they're so cute, they can't do anything.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: I love my mama. My mama would never do that.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: Even that, and also beyond reproach, girls are incapable. Ti
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: he that's what he's saying, Mathew Hard that's what he's saying.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: It's all just a gigantic pretzel. Going back to women
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: are the weaker sex. Women couldn't possibly women couldn't possibly
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: be cruel, women couldn't possibly be violent. Women couldn't possibly
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: do things that are nasty, certainly not to men. But
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: it's impossible. It's like a kitten threatening a lion. That's
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: just it just doesn't happen. Okay, it's such a contemptuous
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: attitude towards women.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is again, this is more of that one
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: good man stuff right here, this guy all right.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 6: Were hatred and negative feelings and bitterness in people, And
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 6: that's very understandable. And that kind of negative emotion does
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 6: not always out in a way that is pro social,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 6: in a way that is like super productive. And again,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 6: as a man who's experienced it firsthand, I will say
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 6: that the way that that hurt and trauma that comes
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 6: from experiencing misogyny, or that that comes out the way
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 6: that that lands on men who are like new he.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: Can't handle being a man and being affected by something externally.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: It violates his sense of self. Therefore, he's constructed this
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: gigantic mental pretzel to blame men for women's actions. Like,
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: I swear to God, this is so fucking transparent. I
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 2: can't deal with the idea that women can act on
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: me negatively as a man. Therefore, when women act on
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: me negatively as a man, I'm going to go through
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: some convoluted, crazy, strong reasoning to blame it on men. Right,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: my manhood is is uh, well not just my manhood,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: but my credentials is a one good man are in jeopardy. Therefore,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: all the shit that I've dealt with with women, I'm
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: gonna blame on men, because God, I don't want to
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: be a man who got punched by a woman. What
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: a what a what a weakling eye would be like?
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: This is this is the same shit. How do people
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: not see it? How do people not see that this
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: is the same iteration of the same shit? You see
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? No nobody does?
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: God, Oh good, no, I mean, oh this is of
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: course I've been doing this for ten years. I get it.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 6: Hurts a lot sometimes and it is not always super effective.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 6: But what I'm seeing missing from a lot of y'all's analysis,
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 6: pointing at the root cause too many folks are starting
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 6: the story at what they call massandry. They're acting as
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 6: though nothing's going on and women just started hating on
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 6: them for fun. And what it tells me, at least
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 6: on a personal level, is that a lot of y'all
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 6: are not in like, genuine, like honest relationships with women,
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 6: because you just need to hear how women interact with
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 6: men and how men treat her.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: What the hell are you in a relationship.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: With Well, okay, let's let's let break down what he's
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: arguing here. Okay, So he's trying to make the claim
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: that women experience misogyny and therefore this is why there
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: is miss injury. Now, of course, he fails to get
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: into the details of what he means by misogyny and
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: what it looks like. But he thinks that men's misogyny
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: created essentially women's miss injury. But let's back up for
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: a second. Okay, So, for how long have men been
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: I guess hateful of women? He's saying institutional sexism. So
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: was it your father they hated your mom? Is that
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: where it started? Or was it your grandfather they hated
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: your grandma? Or was it your great grandfather? They hate
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: your great grandmother. Like how many generations back did the
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: misogyny end or at least start to change, Like how
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: this is this the thing that this narrative teaches boys
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: that I don't think it's talked about enough. If they
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: buy into this, then they hate their fathers and their
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: father's father all the way back because they believe that
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: that change only started with them. So this boy, if
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: he thinks that his father was a bad man that
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: hated his mom, because that's what misogyny means, let's not
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: fuck with the definition, Okay, then that means that he
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: is basically saying, well, my father was terrible because and
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be like him, or my grandfather was terrible.
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: So what this does is it actually kills it kills
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: his attachment to his entire line because now he's the
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: only man that's worth a damn and all the men
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: who came before him are not. And that's a narrative
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: that's not true, Like it's it would be like he'd
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: have to basically make the case that his father and
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 1: his grandfather and his great grandfather all the way back
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: they did not have healthy relationships with his mother or
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: his grandmother or his great grandmother all the way back.
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: There's not like no way, right, So he's the only change, Like,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: how likely do you think that is? Now, let's do
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: let's look at this another way, because I think the
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: misogyny thing, it just doesn't it doesn't hit, it doesn't work. Okay,
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: that's cap as the kids say. So let's say we're
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: talking about this narrative instead. What if your mother bought
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: into an idea that men everywhere hated her and only
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: stopped hating her in the nineteen sixties or the nineteen
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: eighties or the early nineteen hundreds, if we're talking about
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: like a great grandparent or something, because that's what the
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: narrative is. The narrative is is that men have hated
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: and oppressed women and kept them under their heel for
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: all of human history, including today. Or maybe if they're
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: really charitable, they'll say, well it stopped like not that
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: long ago, like in the sixties, all of it, yeah,
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: or two years ago, right, yeah, two years ago.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: So the latest feminist initiative.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: Whatever the new feminism is, that's the one that's gonna
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: fix it. And it never seems to go away. So
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: I actually have a lot of pity for this guy
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: because he must actually have an extremely low opinion of
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: his own father or his father's father, and that was
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: from this narrative, because he has to presume that either
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: the women in his life were lied to about reality,
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: which I think is true and I don't think. I
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 1: think there's a lot of strong evidence for that, and
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: they're buying into this narrative, and they're emotionally reacting to
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: the narrative they bought into, and he is sympathizing with
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: their emotional reaction to this lie or that's actually all true.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: And his father and his father's father and everybody else
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 1: hated women, like right up until him. He was the
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: guy who stopped it. He is the hero, which one
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: of those narratives is more comfortable. I think that the
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: last one is that's the one he wants to go
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: with because he's like, I'm a good man. I'm not
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: like these other guys, right, And that's I mean, that's
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: that's the male feminist, beta male behavior that we're seeing.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean. I don't know what else to
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: call it, but.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: That's interestingly enough, it's beta male, but it but it
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: is actually centering himself as the only man with legitimate
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: access access to muffetually think about it, right, I mean,
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: even if he doesn't have a single woman in his life,
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: in that way, because he's centered himself as the one
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: good man, he is the only one worthy of a
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: woman or multiple women, a harem of women, psychological harem
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: of women. He's worthy of all of the women. All
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: other men aren't. And it's like that is that is
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: basically stone Age thinking. Like really if you think it's
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: like the resurgence of stone Age thinking, the idea that
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: you that you are the only one who's worthy of
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: women or I mean, and actually it's even less than
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: stone Age because the stone Age usually you were okay
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: with your tribesman tribesmen, you know, having women. This is
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: like pre stone Age. Maybe it's infantile. I don't know.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: It's like a relationship of a child to his mother, honestly,
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: but anyway, pulling it back, and also again this is
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: an allegation about reality. Feminists made an allegation about reality.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: No one ever thought to hold them to any kind
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: of scientific standard about it, so it's never been proven
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't need to be proven false because it's never been
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: proven true. So we're all operating in a box defined
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: by an idea that was never subjected to any kind
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: of scientific rigor. Does anybody else like to sort of
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: find that annoying? Yeah, yes, Okay.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: Well, because we have to wrestle with this where you know,
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: it's like Karen described it, we're sword fighting. We're sword
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: fighting the fart because we have to like essentially debunk
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: something that can't that hasn't even been proven true. It's
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 1: all based on people's fefees.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's and the thing is that we
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: we shouldn't have to do anything like we we should
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: not have even been in We shouldn't nobody should be
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: in this box, guys, like this is this is a
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: box created by a narrative that has never been proven true.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: It hasn't even gone through the first step of being
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: proven true or false. Okay it Yeah, we shouldn't be
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: in this box, nor should we be allowing this box
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: to inhibit our ability to develop solutions to legitimate problems.
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: We don't have to blame men or women. I mean,
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: I personally really love blaming women, so I'm going to
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: continue to do that. But we don't have to blame
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: men or women for the difficulties that we're in. We
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: can blame technology. We don't know how to prepare the
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: dynamic between men and women in the context of the
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: technology that we have today well, and and the fact
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: that we exist in a box that's constraining our thinking,
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 2: making it very conservative, very limited, very minimal in its creativity,
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: is preventing us from making from developing the solutions necessary
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: to solve this issue, the issue of the relationship between
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: men and women basically in a technology that we've never
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: experienced before as humans. All Right, that's that's a that's
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: an elaborate thing. So I'll just leave it there.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got another superchow, and I don't know like
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: how much longer we want to go, but it's been
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 1: like two hours.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have some final thoughts about you know, Trump
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: getting women or men and girlfriend all.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: Right, but let me let me read the superchow really quick.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: Uh So. Richard Bierre gives us five bucks and says,
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: I would like to know just when in history that
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: men had things just given slash handed to them just
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: for being men. According to the feminist complaints, such as
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: Hannah Cox does mentions thank you, well, yeah, that we're
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: still waiting for that. I think I've been waiting for
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 1: that one for ten years, guys. So no answer yet
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: nothing substantial. All right, what do you want to say
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: something about?
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, okay, so does is it? Okay? First of all,
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: is there anything of interest?
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, mostly it's just her, like, you know,
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: talking about what a man should be, and I think
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: that's all obvious, Like a real man is all these
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: things that I like, and they have to be aggressive
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 1: and they have to be assertive, and they have to
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: go get it and they have to be like driven
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: and all this, and I get all that stuff. But again,
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: like she's not acknowledging that there are obstacles that things
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: like DEI programs and ESG scores and affirmative action and
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: the way that I educated, like these are all real,
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: like this is all stuff that affects men. She doesn't, No,
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: she won't. She would just be like, well, just work harder, guys,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, well, I mean I'm sure that
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of men are up to the task. But
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: the thing is, you can't act like that's not that
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist just because men like you. Imagine if we
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: created like affirmative action or DEI for men and for
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: white men in particular. Do you think that like black
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: women or queer black women are gonna like just pull
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: themselves up by the bootstraps. No, they're they're gonna cry
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: and whine and they're gonna demand, like, you know, intervention
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: at the state level. So but like again, at least,
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: like we're acknowledging this is real. So that's it.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you know, Okay, what I was gonna say
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: is that she doesn't even acknowledge that she's setting this
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: bar for men to jump over, and Trump is essentially saying, well, hey,
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: why don't we get rid of all of the artificial
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: impediments for men to jump over the bar that women
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: like Hannah Cox is set, And she doesn't understand why
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: men would be like, oh, well, if they want to
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: be able to jump your bar, Hanna Cox, why wouldn't
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: they want to get rid of the artificial impediments to
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: doing so? Dumbass? Okay.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: Also, I don't think I don't think that anyone any
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: men are asking for the state to give them women,
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: except lefty men that supported Bernie Sanders, which there is
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: a video clip of. He didn't specifically say that, but
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, if you think that you're that
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: what you get comes from the state, then you might
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: have that idea kind of like women do or they
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: want like free abortions paid for by taxpayers, you know,
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: up until including birth, or like just free cars and
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: food stamps and homes and all this, and like a ubi,
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: like that's the shit that women are asking for that state? Shit,
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: where's the Henna Cox video about that?
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, Like I.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: Don't even think. I think most men want to earn
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: their way. That's like the overwhelming majority of men and
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: just want to earn their way and they just don't
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: want obstacles, and the state gives them obstacles right now.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and those men who want women know that Hannah
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: Cox sort of actually in some ways reflects what women
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: want in men. They want to go get or they
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 2: want someone aggressive. They want somebody with money and credentials
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: under their belt. And they look at the two options.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: One option is going to continue to manufacture obstacles to
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: becoming the kind of man a woman like Hannacox wants,
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: and the other has said, maybe he'll start removing those obstacles.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: And they have decided to vote in favor of the
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: person who says I will remove the obstacles become becoming
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: the kind of man that women like Hannacox wants. And
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: Hannah Cox turns around and gives the shock peek at
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: you face. W how did that?
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: Because men are eminently practical, and when you say jump
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: this hurdle, they're going to attempt to jump the hurdle,
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: and if possible, if there are obstacles from jumping the hurdle,
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 2: they will get rid of those obstacles. Right, That's how
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: it works. And then there are the guys who have
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: given up on women entirely. In fact, it might I
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: know this is going to be weird, but of all
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 2: the men that I know who have any ability to
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: be gay, all of them have become gay. I know
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: that sounds, but it's like they're done. They don't even
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: want to try to find a woman or keep one.
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: And there's and outside of that, guys who are straight
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: are given up. So they are interested in a candidate
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: who is going to make their lives easier and allow
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: them to actually pay for the things that they want,
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: or some kind of a reasonable stand living, which they
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: see as Trump. Right, that's as simple as that. Very
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: practical decision.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they also don't want women voting to essentially
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: destroy the country because they're mad that a guy said
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: repeal the Nineteenth on Twitter. Well, I think a lot
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: of men were just like, you know what, we're done.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: We're we're gonna we're gonna fix this ship. This is stupid.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: We let women run this country to the brink of
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: destruction and we're just gonna like pull it back a
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: little bit. I think it was a big middle finger.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: All the all the online conservative women talking about the
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 2: great cat tird Gate. Yeah, we're like, oh, us women,
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: we're not going to vote conservative. We're not going to
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: vote for the right because cat turd said some joke
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: account on Twitter said repeal the Nineteenth. You gotta you gotta,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: you gotta be polite to the conservative women, or we're
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: going to vote to destroy Well that was bullshit too. Obviously,
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: those women, those conservative women who threatened that, didn't speak
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: for conservative women what I'm getting at, Brian m hm.
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, because they weren't. They weren't conservative women. They
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: weren't conserving anything. They were just being mad online. They
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: were just like they like, yeah, they were basically the
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: same as the feminists. Like I said, you know, at
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, like most people have feminist
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: leanings regardless of what they what letter is next to
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: their name, or what they call themselves. It comes down
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: to what they believe and very few people are willing
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: to challenge that.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: M But anyway, so that to answer the title, will
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: trump men Trump won't get no uh men, Trump won't
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: get you a girlfriend. No, although he may make it
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: easier to make money, which may attract the you know,
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: the chicahs, but you know, other than that. Yeah, but
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: here's the other thing. This is, this is what I
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: wanted to get on because I think Hannah Cox or
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: did you want to finish this? Dude?
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: No, we can, No, we can jump ahead. I mean
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 1: he basically repeats himself and then she basically co signed it,
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 1: and and like her whole thing is like, well, I
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: don't always agree with people, and he's kind of generalizing,
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: but I do think this is true. So it's like
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: it's a weasily way of getting out of action.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: Let's blame women. Let's blame men, especially for women's actions.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: It's always uh, God.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 2: Forbid me be a society that encourages women to develop
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: moral moral autonomy anyway. So my point, my thing was like, yeah,
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: Trump is not going to solve the issue of the
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 2: fundamental breakdown of the relationship between the sexes in our society.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: And it's not just American, it's everybody in the West,
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: and it's also spreading everywhere. There is a fundamental breakdown
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: in the relationship between men and women. Nobody has solved
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: it yet, not in the context of modern day technology.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: The Amish, you're doing fine, but they aren't dealing with
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: the same kind of pressure as we are. Nobody solved it,
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: and so Trump won't get you a girlfriend. Trump can't
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 2: solve that problem because it's a bottom up problem. That's
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: so I think she's got a point. Did I just
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: say that?
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: Well, what's what do you think her point is?
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: Well, Trump won't get you a girlfriend?
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, sure, but that's but I mean, yeah, but
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 1: that's obvious and it's also based on again, Okay, look,
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: here's the thing with that. Hanna Cox creates a question
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: that nobody's asked, says men asked it, and then answers it. So, okay,
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: good luck, I guess like you just you just dunked
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 1: on yourself, you know, And then you said, oh, look
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: I win. It's like, yeah, but no, men aren't saying that.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: Men like, Okay, you might find like some obscure dude
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: on like a forum somewhere saying that we should all
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: get issued, you know, cat girls. And as much as
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see that happen for some of you guys,
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 1: that no one's really at nobody's serious is really saying that.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: And she has basically made a whole forty minute video
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: answering a question that nobody asked and then saying, look
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: at me, I'm so smart. It's just like I feel
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 1: like it's just wasting my time again, you know, like
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: what do you okay? And I mean like, granted, she
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: says other things that I can knock down, like talking
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: about toxic masculinity and how much she she says basically
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: that the Manisphere essentially crafts a victim narrative for men,
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: not possible an another thing that's just true. The fact
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: that the overwhelming reaction to that, you know, the Manisphere's
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: talking points is negative shows you that it doesn't work anyway,
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: even if it were true, which I don't think it is.
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: So it's like, well, then what are we doing? Like
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: what do we even like? This isn't even a real
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: conversation because you're just making sit up and then you're
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 1: knocking it down.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I wanted to respond to somebody in chat
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 2: you callic epitimus. Reck says, the key difference massandry results
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 2: and slightly sad and lonely men misogyny results that women
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: who have been assaulted and murdered.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: No, did you really think that you just said so
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: that we haven't heard before.
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: For No, Okay, the men who engage in those activities
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: are criminal men. They are the most persecuted men in
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: our society. First of all, the rate at which men
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: men kill women is so minimal in relationships anyway, It's
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: just it's not it's a non starter.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: It's like you're taking a very small problem. A problem
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: of miss injury is suicide. The constant degrading of men
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: and not establishing a relation or a a identity outside
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: of the service to others is driving the suicide problem
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: in men. It's also driving starting to drive the increasing
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: suicide problem in women. But that's a that's another conversation, right,
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: that is systemic missingdry like criminal behavior is not systemic misogyny,
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 2: because what you're doing is you're cherry picking the actions
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: of men, and you're choosing the actions of criminal men,
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: and not all the men who brought them to justice,
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: not all the men who are keeping them imprisoned, not
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: all the men who had probably attempted to intervene to
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: save the woman if it had ever happened in public.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: And also you're ignoring the entire history of men developing
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: the justice system to control men's behavior towards women in
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: the first place, because it's always been the case that
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  Speaker 2: men have been persecuted for their behavior towards women. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: where guild men always had to pay bigger fines for
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  Speaker 2: assaulting and that includes sexually assaulting or harming women in
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  Speaker 2: like the Norse system. Okay, there's always been protections, legal
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  Speaker 2: protections for women in a way that didn't exist for men.
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  Speaker 2: We've always protected women against domestic violence, or at the
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: least reduced the scope of it. So, for example, if
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: you look at a society where men's violence towards women
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: is restricted to a certain amount, they don't restrict women's violence,
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: So a woman can be as violent as she wants.
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: They don't restrict her sexual violence. They they don't even
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  Speaker 2: consider it an issue. They'll blame men for the violence
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  Speaker 2: of the women in their life, and this is consistent
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  Speaker 2: throughout history. We don't look at that. So how is
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: it that men are more defined in their relationship to
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: women by the actions of men who are criminal, who
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: have likely have histories of abuse, who have genetic abnormalities
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: that lead to brain dysfunction in the in the realm
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 2: of impulse control. So these are genetically abnormal men. In fact,
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: let's look at rapists. Rapists are more genetically distinct from
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: normal men than gay men are from straight men. And
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: yet you insist on saying rapists say anything about normal men. No,
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: they have nothing to do with normal men. And the
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: predominant action of men in our society is to marginalize
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: these abnormal, criminal, developmentally delayed individuals. And yet you choose,
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  Speaker 2: as an act of missonry to claim that men are
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 2: more defined by the genetically abnormal criminal men that they
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: actively persecute an attempt to suppress than that persecution and
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: suppression and persecution, I shouldn't use that word that justice
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 2: against men who act in this way, Like, how is this?
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  Speaker 2: How is this fair? Women are two hundred times more
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  Speaker 2: likely to be saved by a man in a fire
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: than to be harmed by one. And yet which one
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  Speaker 2: do we define men by? That is an active missingry.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: Your choice on how to define men is an active
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: miss injry. Screw up off?
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: All right, shall we wrap it up in two and
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: a half hours?
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: So yeah, let's just check everything, make sure we got
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  Speaker 2: all our teas.
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I missed the super chow, but I read it already.
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: Feel much more productive. Will be done today.
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: No, there isn't much else to talk about here, but
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 1: thanks guys for coming on the stream. Go ahead and
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  Speaker 1: take us out.
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 2: Alison, all right, yeah, sure, Once again, I want to
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: do a shout out to Richard Vere for sponsoring the show.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: I think these were some reasonable picks. I know they
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: made you feel deaf.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: But you know, well, just my soul a little bit.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: But it's the same. It's yeah, I know, I know
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: it's a request.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 2: It's a request, but it's also like, what else are
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: we going to do? I mean, this is these are
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: the voices in the sphere, idiots, freaking idiots with no
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 2: creativity and no ability to question fundamental aspects of what
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: they've formed. Their identities on.
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, don't well, they're just adding to the same
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: pile of shit and thinking they did something new. Yes,
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: And like I'm just saying, can we pick up a
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: shovel and move this out of the way, because this
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: isn't the whole conversation.
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: We again, we exist in a box that's in the
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 2: based on something fundamental that's never been proven. Like it
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: hasn't been proven. We don't have to be in this box.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: We can leave it, please, you know, let's do that.
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 2: Let's let's go for wider horizons than being in a
• 2:25:29
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• 2:25:41
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