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Nashville Mayor's cemetery sex romps with police bodyguard trigger criminal probe · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious XM Triumph Channel
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Speaker 1: one thirty two, who said it was wrong to have
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Speaker 1: sex in the cemetery. Okay, well, for me, that is scary, creepy.
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Speaker 1: Im plus, just from my point of view, you're likely
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Speaker 1: to get mugged or arm dropped or carjacked in an
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Speaker 1: empty cemetery in the middle of the night. But who
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Speaker 1: am I to judge? It's not a crime. It's a
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Speaker 1: moral issue. I'm not the church lady. But this case
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Speaker 1: is so much bigger than that. Sex in a cemetery
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Speaker 1: seemingly has rocked the foundation of a political so called
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Speaker 1: genius and now it's a crime, and actual crime involved
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Speaker 1: all from sex and a cemetery. Actually, it sounds like
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Speaker 1: a horrible mixed alcoholic drink. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Okay, let's
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Speaker 1: just start at the beginning. Joining me right now from
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Speaker 1: the scene. I hope you're not in the cemetery, Pamela
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Speaker 1: for Crime Stories, investigative reporter. Before I get to the crime,
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Speaker 1: why do we care if to nuts sneak off to
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Speaker 1: a cemetery to get it on. I mean, I don't
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Speaker 1: really want to think about it. But now it's been
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Speaker 1: forced into my psyche. What happened? Right? Well, I mean
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Speaker 1: you're right, nobody cares if two people want to do
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Speaker 1: whatever they do. But the reason why we care here
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Speaker 1: it's the Nashville mayor for bodyguard. Well wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: didn't you see bodyguard with Kevin Costner Whitney Houston. Didn't
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Speaker 1: you see that? So what's the problem. I don't care
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Speaker 1: what they do. I just really don't want to hear
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Speaker 1: about it. Well, here's the problem, taxpayers, Kay this bodyguard.
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Speaker 1: He is an employee of the Metro Nashville Police Department,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of overtime hours were scheduled in the
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Speaker 1: two years that mayor National National Mayor Magan Berry admitted
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Speaker 1: to having this affair. He put in more than a
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Speaker 1: hundred seventy thousand dollars worth of overtime during that time,
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Speaker 1: and so National taxpayers are very upset about this and
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Speaker 1: now the cheating. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, I
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Speaker 1: lost my breath when you set a hundred and seventy
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Hold on, let me Jackie. Jackie may need
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Speaker 1: to give me a baby aspirin because now my chest
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Speaker 1: is hurting. Wait a minute, did you a hundred and
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Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars of overtime on top of his regular salary? Correct? Okay,
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Speaker 1: so to me to to physical to physical years? So
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Speaker 1: two years here to me, I've got two questions. One,
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Speaker 1: these are yes knows. Let me draw upon my cross
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Speaker 1: examination skills such as they are. Did the mayor sign
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Speaker 1: off on the overtime? She did not, but the from
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Speaker 1: my understanding, the police chief did, and this is her
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Speaker 1: personal bodyguard. Correct? And Second, can we show that he
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Speaker 1: charged for his duties quote e air quote at the
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Speaker 1: time they were Well, I just there's just really no
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Speaker 1: nice way to say it. Having sex in the cemetery?
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Speaker 1: What were those some of the hours or do we
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Speaker 1: know that piece of the puzzle yet, that is the
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Speaker 1: part that the t D I believe is a yes,
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Speaker 1: because clocked in during the hours that the cemetery activity
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Speaker 1: was taking place the overnight. By the way, you said that,
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Speaker 1: Pam for the cemetery activity, you make it sound like
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Speaker 1: there's somebody like two guys out there in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the a landscaping or arranging flowers, a cemetery activity.
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Speaker 1: That's not what was going on. Joel Brodsky, renowned defense
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Speaker 1: attorney UH known best for his defense of the killer
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Speaker 1: the wife killer, Drew Peterson. Don't take that the wrong way,
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Speaker 1: Joel Brodsky. Joel Brodsky joining me, you have quite the
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Speaker 1: reputation and the UM let me just say history of
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Speaker 1: dealing with corruption. What what do you have to say?
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Speaker 1: I mean when we when I first said sex in
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Speaker 1: the cemetery, it sounds almost laughable. But now that I
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Speaker 1: found out somebody is getting paid about two dred grand
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Speaker 1: for it, that's a whole another can of worms. You know,
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Speaker 1: my mother Joel Brodsky eighties six years old, still teaches
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Speaker 1: piano lessons to make a living. And I don't take
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Speaker 1: kindly to somebody stealing from the taxpayers. That's yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: like a larseny, like a theft. But we have in
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Speaker 1: public corruption cases you have to watch out for is
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Speaker 1: the difference between what's a criminal act or if we're
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Speaker 1: just taking some regulation that's created UH in somebody's job
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Speaker 1: and then saying to violate the rule of your job
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that's a felony because that allows UM.
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Speaker 1: You know, people who just employers will make rules to
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Speaker 1: UH an all of a sudden legislative. Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Joe Brodsky, hold on, hold on, it's
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Speaker 1: a whole another can of worms. If it's a private
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Speaker 1: corporation and somebody's patting their expense report. Oh, I had
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Speaker 1: a three martini lunch here with this one and that one,
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Speaker 1: and it cost me four dollars because we went to
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Speaker 1: Zan George in New York City. And Okay, that's one
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Speaker 1: thing that's bad. But what about when you're defrauding the taxpayers?
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Speaker 1: Now that is a crime where the other one is.
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Speaker 1: I guess um, I would call it a tax violation.
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Speaker 1: I mean there there's a big difference when you're defrauding
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Speaker 1: the taxpayers versus your private your private employer. Well, I
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Speaker 1: guess maybe I'm getting to a little bit technical, But
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Speaker 1: what was he you know, if he was putting an
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Speaker 1: overtime knowing that he was not going to be uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, doing his job as a bodyguard, uh at
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Speaker 1: the time when he was doing you overtime, that would
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Speaker 1: you know be the uh But I okay, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, Jackie Howard, you're gonna have to control yourself.
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Speaker 1: Jackie is here making very very inappropriate jokes and writing
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Speaker 1: inappropriate comments on her whiteboard at me while I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to focus on crime. You know what, there's no doubt
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Speaker 1: it went down. Okay, that's not a good choice of worse,
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Speaker 1: there's no doubt it happened. Listen to this, I, as
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Speaker 1: a public official, have had a private event in my
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Speaker 1: life that I need to to share. I had a
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Speaker 1: consensual relationship with a member of my security detail. And
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Speaker 1: I am deeply sorry for that. And I am embarrassed,
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Speaker 1: and I am sad, and I am so sorry for
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Speaker 1: all the pain that I have caused my family and
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Speaker 1: his family. And I know that that God will forgive me,
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Speaker 1: but that Nashville doesn't have to. And I hope that
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Speaker 1: I can earn their trust, and I can earn your
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Speaker 1: trust back, and that you will forgive me. What I
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Speaker 1: did was wrong. I should not have had an affair.
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Speaker 1: I would have had the security detail with me as
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Speaker 1: part of my mayor responsibilities, regardless of who that person was.
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Speaker 1: That I should not have had that affair. Is it
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Speaker 1: possible that you could have once the affair story, maybe
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Speaker 1: believe him of his duties or ask him to resign
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Speaker 1: because you've caused yourself so much having this affairwell, he
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Speaker 1: was still on duty. You understand now, all these these
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Speaker 1: normal things like a trip to blank now gets scrutiny
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Speaker 1: like you'll never get before, every single trip, every meal,
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Speaker 1: every hotel mill. It was wrong, and I should have
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Speaker 1: gone to the chief and I should have said what
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Speaker 1: was happening, and I should have made a better decision
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Speaker 1: about that. Um. But everything that Sergeant Forest did in
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Speaker 1: the course of his responsibility to be my detail was
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Speaker 1: business related. I think as a public official, and with
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Speaker 1: the conversations that we're starting to swirl, it was clear
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Speaker 1: that our personal lives were going to become public and
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Speaker 1: and we had made a serious mistake and we needed
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Speaker 1: to step up and we needed to own it. And
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Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing today. I will look forward to
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Speaker 1: continue to work for Nashvillians. We have an agenda in
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Speaker 1: this office that is robust, and we have and focused
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Speaker 1: on transit and housing and education. Uh and we'll continue
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Speaker 1: to do that. I think that today I'm here to
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Speaker 1: admit that I have personal failings. I am only human,
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Speaker 1: and I didn't stop being a human when I became
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Speaker 1: the mayor. And I believe that as the mayor, I've
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Speaker 1: been able to do a lot of really good things
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Speaker 1: in the city with the Metro Council and with the
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Speaker 1: people I work with, and I have disappointed them terribly
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Speaker 1: and that that is my biggest sadness today. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: to Dr Brian Russell, you know it's gonna take me
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Speaker 1: the rest of the hour to explain all of his credentials,
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Speaker 1: no offense, brodsky fur and he'll but uh. Dr Brian Russell,
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Speaker 1: psychologist and lawyer, host of the hit show on Discovery
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Speaker 1: I d fatal vows And as if that weren't enough
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Speaker 1: for one person, he informed me just before we go
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Speaker 1: to air that he also wrote a book called Stop
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Speaker 1: Moaning and Start own Ing. I really liked that title.
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Speaker 1: I wish I could steal it, but sadly now I
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Speaker 1: know about it, Dr Brian Russell, I mean, you deal
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Speaker 1: with disastrous relationships. Obviously, this is a disaster in the making.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Dr Brian Russell, I guess I'm going through
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Speaker 1: life with blinders on. But I don't want to look
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Speaker 1: at another guy. I don't want to get involved. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to even know about another guy period. I'm
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Speaker 1: in it to win it. Okay. I learned that at
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Speaker 1: dancing with the stars. Everybody else was saying it, so
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Speaker 1: I started to saying it too. I'm in it to stay.
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Speaker 1: I don't even want to be tempted, you know. I
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Speaker 1: want to find happiness in my own home with my children,
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Speaker 1: my husband, my eighties six year old mother who lives
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Speaker 1: with me, a cat and a dog, and two guinea pigs.
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Speaker 1: With all that on my plane, I don't have time
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Speaker 1: to look at another guy. Dr Brian Russell. I mean,
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Speaker 1: people get tempted all the time. That doesn't mean you
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Speaker 1: have to follow through with it. And it's great that
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Speaker 1: you don't want to, because let me tell you, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: if somebody wanted to be on my show, if somebody
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Speaker 1: wanted to be on Fatal Vows, getting involved in an
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Speaker 1: extramarital affair would be the very best way to do it.
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Speaker 1: But you know, when it's a politician, this isn't just
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Speaker 1: dangerous to them. This is dangerous to the public because
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Speaker 1: it exposes the politician to blackmail. And the kind of
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Speaker 1: a person who would rationalize and justify cheating on their
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Speaker 1: spouse may very well also be the kind of a
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Speaker 1: person who would rationalize and justify doing some kind of
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Speaker 1: a favor for a blackmailer rather than leaving office. Um, now,
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Speaker 1: hold on, you're making a giant leap legally. Dr Brian Russell,
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Speaker 1: host of I D S Fatal vows to say because
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Speaker 1: she would go have sex in a cemetery with the
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Speaker 1: bodyguard while he's charging overtime according to reports, Okay, that's
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Speaker 1: got to be proven that she would be open to blackmail.
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Speaker 1: I don't think we've gotten as far as a blackmail.
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is people get tempted, no offense guys,
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Speaker 1: but it's usually guys, And I'll just put it out there.
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Speaker 1: That's just an anecdote. I don't have a statistic, but
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Speaker 1: they get tempted all the time. That doesn't mean you've
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Speaker 1: got to follow through. That's where impulse control comes from.
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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, former Nashville police officer, he knows this beat
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Speaker 1: and now very well known private eye. Vincent Hill, how
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Speaker 1: do you go about actually proving the nuts and bolts
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Speaker 1: of this thing? Well, Manti, you talk about the secret
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Speaker 1: Service boy where there's some secrets going on here. But
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Speaker 1: I think it would be pretty easy to determine if
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Speaker 1: Rob four too, I knew personally on the police department
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Speaker 1: was submitting over time while he was actually engaging in
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Speaker 1: sexual acts with the mayor. And you have all the
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Speaker 1: powder kegs for this. You have a police officer, and
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Speaker 1: women find lice officers attractive. It's about power. You have
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Speaker 1: the mayor, she's about power. So you have these two
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Speaker 1: high powered individuals who unfortunately took advantage of taxpayer of
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Speaker 1: dollars and did not fulfill their duties while they said
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Speaker 1: they were doing. It's very, very disturbed. So you know
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Speaker 1: this guy, you know, the bodyguard, Well, we definitely didn't
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Speaker 1: hang out, but I knew of him. He had been
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Speaker 1: on the department, you know, years before I joined. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't suspect him of doing this, but again,
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Speaker 1: you never know. And as you say, people get tempted
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Speaker 1: all the time, especially us as guys like you said.
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Speaker 1: So it's definitely not a surprise that it could have happened.
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Speaker 1: This is what we know. The Nashville Mayor, Megan Barry,
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Speaker 1: has admitted having an extra marital affair with Sergeant Rob Forrest,
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Speaker 1: her bodyguard. The Nashville Mayor's bodyguard, Well, they don't have
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Speaker 1: to work too hard at proving it. The mayor is
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Speaker 1: caught on camera in the early morning hours in cemetery,
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Speaker 1: visits with her bodyguard lover while he claimed over time,
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Speaker 1: and nude photos apparently found on his work phone. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, back to you Dr Brian Russell, psychologist and lawyer.
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Speaker 1: They're not really even trying to cover it up. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what idiot would send nude photos? This is the biggest
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Speaker 1: question that I get asked in these cases. Why would
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Speaker 1: someone smart enough to get to the high level position
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Speaker 1: be dumb enough then to jeopardize everything by doing stuff
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Speaker 1: like that to get caught cheating. And you think about
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Speaker 1: you know, you go back to Bill Clinton, you look
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Speaker 1: at this woman in Nashville. Uh, you can list a
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Speaker 1: lot of them, and it really comes down to the
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Speaker 1: narcissistic entitlement in the personality. They surround themselves with sycophants
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Speaker 1: and yes men. They rational lines that their achievements and
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Speaker 1: sacrifices for us the masses are so wonderful that they're
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Speaker 1: entitled to do things which, by the way, they would
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Speaker 1: never tolerate being done to themselves. And and here you go,
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Speaker 1: and it does it really does make them, uh, not
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Speaker 1: just narcissistically entitled, but it really does make them susceptible, vulnerable,
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Speaker 1: to blackmail because if somebody finds out about this, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, they can be they can be threatened with
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Speaker 1: disclosure unless they do something for the person who finds out. Well,
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Speaker 1: this is what else we know. Pamela Furge joined me
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter. Now I love this. Okay, the footage,
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Speaker 1: the surveillance footage shows her what suv entering the graveyard,
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Speaker 1: usually around seven am on several occasions during their two
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Speaker 1: year six affair, before she heads to the back of
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Speaker 1: the graveyard, sometimes re emerging in about twelve minutes. Okay, Uh, now,
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna that's not a crime, of course, but
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let that sink in from her. But
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Speaker 1: listen to this. Listen to what her spokesperson says. Quote.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes she would go for a walk. Other times she
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Speaker 1: would sit in the car and either reflect, make calls,
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Speaker 1: catch up on emails, or report issues with vandalism in
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Speaker 1: the cemetery. Okay, then the new the nude photos emerge.
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Speaker 1: Pamela for please take a listen to the mayor herself,
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Speaker 1: insisting that people still want her on the job. Listen,
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Speaker 1: why not. I have lots of work to do in
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Speaker 1: this city and every day, I get up and I
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Speaker 1: do it. And today is a great example. We are
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Speaker 1: here cutting a ribbon on affordable housing. And that's what
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Speaker 1: the voters have asked me to do when I and
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Speaker 1: two years ago, that's what I'm gonna do. You can
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Speaker 1: your administration survived? Can your administries that survive everything that's
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Speaker 1: come out in the last week? Uh? You know, I've
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Speaker 1: been very forthcoming with everything, and I think that the
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Speaker 1: citizens of Davison County continue to want us to get
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Speaker 1: up every day and go to work. And I have
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Speaker 1: a great team. We have great Metro employees who get
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Speaker 1: up every day and make sure that the city runs.
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Speaker 1: I want to continue on this one to Pamela. Pamela,
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Speaker 1: what do we know? Well, we know that there is
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Speaker 1: now a move on to recall the mayor um. There
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Speaker 1: is a process through Metro government and so it takes
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Speaker 1: sixty thousand signatures to start that process and it has begun.
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Speaker 1: Nashvillians are not very happy with the affair. They're not
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Speaker 1: very happy of the alleged possible criminal wrongdoing, but more
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Speaker 1: importantly now they're embarrassed about cemetery sex and nude photos, which,
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Speaker 1: by the way, Rob Forrest not only allegedly took with
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Speaker 1: his phone, but he also email to himself to his
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Speaker 1: Metro police email account, which is so reckless and careless.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Joel Broad's key high profile defense attorney, Joel Broadsky,
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Speaker 1: he emailed all of this to his work email. It's
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Speaker 1: like he's begging to be caught. Yeah, it is. But
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Speaker 1: is it you know, is it? Is it a crime?
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Speaker 1: Because I remember one time I had a case where
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Speaker 1: a police officer had you know, there was a rule
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Speaker 1: police officer, I'm supposed to go outside of their zone.
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Speaker 1: They're they're beat during during hours. And a guy went
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Speaker 1: outside his zone. And they all do all the time,
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Speaker 1: you know, they go out of the launch or whatever.
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Speaker 1: But in this case, he did something that they didn't like,
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Speaker 1: so they accused him of of official misconduct, which is
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Speaker 1: a crime. And the appellate court said that's not a crime. Uh,
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Speaker 1: just by making work rules, you cannot criminalize work violations.
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Speaker 1: So you know, bad overtime or uh, improper emailing. We
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Speaker 1: have to make sure, I mean, why they could be
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Speaker 1: work violations? Why they can be grounds for removing somebody
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Speaker 1: from office, perhaps if the voters don't like it. But
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Speaker 1: is it a crime? You know, is this what we want?
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Speaker 1: Do we want to give uh? You know, people, employers,
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Speaker 1: even even if their municipalities, the power to criminalize actions
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Speaker 1: without the state legislature doing it. And that is a
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Speaker 1: concern I have why, you know, obviously the behaviors and
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Speaker 1: is inappropriate and probably should we've result in there, especially
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Speaker 1: at the overtime resulting they moved from office. I just
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned that we're making too many things criminal as well.
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Speaker 1: That's spoken like true criminal defense attorney. Now, Forest had
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Speaker 1: served in the place force for thirty one years. He
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Speaker 1: led security details for three mayors. He accompanied Mayor Barry
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Speaker 1: on out of town trips beginning in June two thousand sixteen,
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Speaker 1: nine trips in two thousand seventeen, claiming they were all
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Speaker 1: for legitimate business purposes. Now Barry has told USA Today
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Speaker 1: that their affair began in Spraying two thousand sixteen, but
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Speaker 1: has declined to say when it ended. We know that
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Speaker 1: the cop has stepped down and it's no longer with
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Speaker 1: the department. Now this is another thing. I know. Photos
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Speaker 1: were discovered, as we pointed out, on forest work email.
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Speaker 1: According to official filings, two hundred and sixty deleted chats
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Speaker 1: between Forrest phone and the mayor's phone and thirty five
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Speaker 1: deleted collogues. According to the AFFI, David to Vincent Hill,
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Speaker 1: former Nashville police officer where all of this occurred and
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Speaker 1: current p I private investigator, sounds like he's trying to
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Speaker 1: get rid of Avid. Yeah, that's exactly what it sounds like, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: But unfortunately, you as well as I know that you
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Speaker 1: can delete something doesn't mean it can't be found. And
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Speaker 1: you know the fact that he was sending this on
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Speaker 1: a work email, as secure as that's supposed to be
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Speaker 1: because you're supposed to talk about cases and things of
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Speaker 1: that nature. You know there there's a big problem there,
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Speaker 1: big for us. So what happens now back to Pamela
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Speaker 1: for Crime Stories investigative reporter. What's the rest on the
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Speaker 1: legal end. But on the legal end, the mayor is
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Speaker 1: asking for the d A Glenn funk Here, to recuse
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Speaker 1: himself from this case. He's the one that called for
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Speaker 1: the investigation. So there's a d a's office investigation, a
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Speaker 1: tb I investigation. The d a's office, his budget comes
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Speaker 1: before the mayor, she has to approve it, so she
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Speaker 1: thinks he should recuse himself. Altogether. She called for that
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Speaker 1: on Friday. Here is what the mayor has to say.
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Speaker 1: We actually Glenn funk To raised this issue to my
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Speaker 1: attorney last week. He was concerned about potential conflict of interest.
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Speaker 1: We took that very seriously when he said that, and
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Speaker 1: we did our due diligence. We got the head of
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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Bar Association to give an opinion on that. Uh.
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Speaker 1: He absolutely says that Glenn has a conflict tension recused
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Speaker 1: and that there is precedent out there based on other
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Speaker 1: case law. Uh. We take that very seriously. We wanted
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Speaker 1: that opinion and end because Glenn had raised it. Back
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Speaker 1: to Pamela for Crime Stories, investigative reporter. What's the rest
22:33
Speaker 1: um the other As far as the investigation goes, there
22:36
Speaker 1: are rumors that possible indictments could come down this week.
22:40
Speaker 1: Those are just rumors, But the investigation continues from a
22:45
Speaker 1: criminal standpoint of theft of property is what they're investigating,
22:48
Speaker 1: and official misconduct which are uh taken care of with
22:53
Speaker 1: the state legislature. They had those laws here in Tennessee. Um.
22:57
Speaker 1: The other part of this rob for Rish wife has
23:01
Speaker 1: now filed for divorce. That happened on Friday, so now
23:07
Speaker 1: you've got that investigation going on as well. She left
23:10
Speaker 1: him officially according to the divorce documents, on February the first,
23:16
Speaker 1: the day after it was announced there was this affair,
23:20
Speaker 1: and she filed for divorce on Friday to base. And
23:23
Speaker 1: you have the city council also investigating the mayor for
23:27
Speaker 1: official misconduct through the Metro investigation. So there's a special
23:32
Speaker 1: committee with the Metro City Council. So there's four different
23:36
Speaker 1: investigations going on right now with Mayor Megan Berry. I
23:41
Speaker 1: am deeply sorry, and I've made a mistake, and I
23:46
Speaker 1: am human and I have human failings. As I said,
23:50
Speaker 1: I didn't stop being human when I became the mayor,
23:54
Speaker 1: and I deeply regret this. And my hope is that
23:57
Speaker 1: as we continue to do the good work of the city,
24:01
Speaker 1: that the Nashvillians who have always expected me to do
24:07
Speaker 1: what's best for our city will continue to have that expectation.
24:11
Speaker 1: Let me just pause as we discuss I never thought
24:13
Speaker 1: i'd say these words. Sex in the cemetery. Again. It
24:16
Speaker 1: sounds like a horrible alcoholic drink, but it deals with
24:21
Speaker 1: the public. It deals with people that work every day
24:27
Speaker 1: like us and expect our leaders that we elect and
24:32
Speaker 1: we pay to behave themselves and focus on our business
24:38
Speaker 1: during work hours. At the very least, the thought of
24:43
Speaker 1: my mother still teaching piano at her age and somebody
24:49
Speaker 1: sucking up tax pay your money so they can have
24:53
Speaker 1: sex in the cemetery two d thousand dollars of overtime. Uh,
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Speaker 1: one thirty two. And I'm very embarrassed, and I'm deeply ashamed,
26:34
Speaker 1: and I'm very sorry. But when I've had a an
26:44
Speaker 1: extra mental affair, um, since I've been in the Mayor's office,
26:49
Speaker 1: and I have heard a lot of people we are
26:52
Speaker 1: live in Nashville today and the latest regarding a lady
26:57
Speaker 1: mayor married who apparently was having a sex affair with
27:02
Speaker 1: her chief bodyguard in a cemetery and early morning hours
27:07
Speaker 1: and charging the taxpayers to boot. Now, that is an
27:11
Speaker 1: issue that will have to be determined. It's alleged right
27:14
Speaker 1: now now. Megan Barry has long been viewed as rising
27:19
Speaker 1: within the Democratic Party, and it says she does not
27:22
Speaker 1: want this affair to uh impact the me too movement
27:26
Speaker 1: in any way since this is between consenting adults. I mean,
27:29
Speaker 1: I don't know at this point if she can be
27:33
Speaker 1: a rising star in any party but that's really not
27:35
Speaker 1: my concern. My concern is was they're a crime committed.
27:41
Speaker 1: Here is what the mayor has to say, it was
27:44
Speaker 1: inappropriate for us to have this affair. But I think
27:46
Speaker 1: that when we talk about the me too movement and
27:49
Speaker 1: those conversations, I think I want to be clear because
27:51
Speaker 1: I don't want to muddy the Me too movement. The
27:53
Speaker 1: Me Too movement is about women who have been sexually
27:56
Speaker 1: harassed and economically disadvantaged for hundreds of years. This is
28:01
Speaker 1: about two middle aged, consenting adults who had feelings for
28:06
Speaker 1: each other and for human and had failings. I think
28:10
Speaker 1: I'm going to go back and and say this again.
28:13
Speaker 1: This is a consensual relationship between two middle aged people
28:18
Speaker 1: who had feelings for each other, um, and what we
28:21
Speaker 1: did was wrong. I'm not running away from that. But
28:24
Speaker 1: this is not the Me too movement. This is not
28:26
Speaker 1: about sexually harassing and economically disadvantaging women, which is what
28:31
Speaker 1: that's about now. Joel Brodsky thinks that this is no
28:34
Speaker 1: violation of criminal statute. To Dr Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer
28:39
Speaker 1: and host of Fatal Vows as well as author, I'll
28:42
Speaker 1: stop moaning and start owning. We talk about entitlement. Okay,
28:49
Speaker 1: they're married and they think they won't get caught meeting
28:55
Speaker 1: in a public cemetery and then coming out with that
28:58
Speaker 1: ridiculous story that she goes there to reflect Dr Russell,
29:03
Speaker 1: I mean sending each other, sending photos, naked photos, deleting chats.
29:08
Speaker 1: I mean they have all people should know that this
29:11
Speaker 1: is a powder kig wanting to blow up. Well, absolutely,
29:14
Speaker 1: and as much as I don't want to defend this
29:19
Speaker 1: guy either one of them, the lawyer in me has
29:22
Speaker 1: to point out that, you know the best defense that
29:24
Speaker 1: the bodyguard might have is that this was the CEO
29:28
Speaker 1: of the organization for which he worked, participating in this
29:31
Speaker 1: stuff with him, So you know, his uh, his best defense.
29:36
Speaker 1: Maybe Look, my boss, who I assume has the authority
29:40
Speaker 1: to okay over time and to direct to me where
29:43
Speaker 1: to be, told me all this was fine. But absolutely
29:47
Speaker 1: it's it's total narcissistic entitlement driving this. That's why people
29:51
Speaker 1: who seem so smart in some respects do such dumb
29:55
Speaker 1: things in other respects. The TBR, the Tennessee Brew of Investigations,
30:00
Speaker 1: says it obtained nude photos of a woman taking on
30:02
Speaker 1: the phone of Sergeant Rob Forrest evidence, investigators say shows
30:09
Speaker 1: that the mayor engaged in that affair with her bodyguard. Okay,
30:13
Speaker 1: she is saying she doesn't know whether it's her, but
30:17
Speaker 1: there is the issue of a black purse. Pamela for
30:22
Speaker 1: why does a black purse factor into these nude photos.
30:25
Speaker 1: Apparently in the nude photo, the black purse was laying
30:29
Speaker 1: beside this woman who was partially closed here. Uh, and
30:34
Speaker 1: it was laying beside her on the bed. Uh. It's
30:37
Speaker 1: my understanding that there is been a picture maybe two
30:41
Speaker 1: hours later of her at an event with that same
30:46
Speaker 1: exact purse. It looks like the same exact purse. So
30:50
Speaker 1: that's what investigators are saying, could prove that he during
30:56
Speaker 1: the hours that he clocked in that he was on duty,
30:59
Speaker 1: he took the picture and then two hours later, there
31:02
Speaker 1: she is with the same purse, and that again, that's
31:05
Speaker 1: what they're see Pamela. For her, she insists she's cooperating.
31:11
Speaker 1: Listen to this, Pamela, we have absolutely cooperated with the
31:15
Speaker 1: tv I. We said we would, and we have been
31:17
Speaker 1: uh the original affidavit. We asked for that so that
31:20
Speaker 1: we could see what the underlying piece was. The distarch
31:23
Speaker 1: attorney denied us that um, we didn't see that until
31:27
Speaker 1: it was already given to the press, so we needed
31:29
Speaker 1: to review it. And then after having spent time with
31:31
Speaker 1: the director of the t V I we got the
31:34
Speaker 1: assurances that we need. We have always been cooperating with them.
31:36
Speaker 1: We've given them over thousands of pages of documents. End up,
31:39
Speaker 1: we're continuing to Pamela for what I mean, if she
31:43
Speaker 1: violates the public trust and possibly a law that's yet
31:46
Speaker 1: to be determined. I guess what she wants the gold
31:49
Speaker 1: star for cooperating. Is that correct? She wants the gold star,
31:53
Speaker 1: but evidence shows that she was not cooperating at all.
31:56
Speaker 1: At first, she was refusing she would hand she hand
32:00
Speaker 1: it over her cell phone because that was requested in
32:02
Speaker 1: the search warrant, but she would not turn over the
32:05
Speaker 1: past code to actually open that phone. Her attorney was
32:09
Speaker 1: trying to negotiate terms, which she says she felt was
32:14
Speaker 1: reasonable that they would not look at her personal text
32:19
Speaker 1: messages and photos of her son, who by the way,
32:21
Speaker 1: passed away not too very long ago, also messages with
32:25
Speaker 1: her mother, with her sisters, with her family, with her husband.
32:29
Speaker 1: She didn't want any of that looked at. She just
32:31
Speaker 1: wanted messages that had to do with the investigation the
32:36
Speaker 1: t V. I said, no, we have to look at
32:37
Speaker 1: all of it. And so she refused for quite a
32:41
Speaker 1: while to give that pass code until the end of
32:43
Speaker 1: the day, when I mean, people were blasting her for that,
32:47
Speaker 1: being hypocritical, saying she's cooperating when she wasn't. That's right.
32:50
Speaker 1: The mayor's office contended certain information documents relating to the
32:55
Speaker 1: two year affairs should be kept from from the public.
32:58
Speaker 1: Pamela for what happened to her. Her son actually passed
33:01
Speaker 1: away back in the summer from an accidental drug overdose.
33:06
Speaker 1: He he had been having some problems anyway with drugs
33:09
Speaker 1: and he took way too many and and ended up
33:12
Speaker 1: passing away. So at first the question was was she
33:15
Speaker 1: going to that cemetery by chance to visit her son. Well,
33:18
Speaker 1: her son's not buried there. His son was her son
33:22
Speaker 1: was cremated, and so she still has the ashes, hasn't
33:25
Speaker 1: actually interred those ashes yet, and so that was the
33:29
Speaker 1: first question that popped up. Maybe she really is going
33:32
Speaker 1: to for silent reflection to visit her son, but he's
33:36
Speaker 1: not buried there, so that's not the case at all.
33:38
Speaker 1: And some had said, you know, maybe because of this,
33:42
Speaker 1: the death, tragic death of her son. Maybe this is
33:46
Speaker 1: why she engaged in the affair, but the affair happened
33:50
Speaker 1: long before her son passed away. You can't give her
33:53
Speaker 1: any of those benefits of the doubt. Mayor Buried tells
33:57
Speaker 1: Nashville News Channel five that it is her son's death
34:02
Speaker 1: that helps her keep what is going on right now
34:05
Speaker 1: in perspective. Listen, you know the political world. There may
34:11
Speaker 1: be some people who say she cannot govern, she must resign.
34:17
Speaker 1: What do you say to them, No, Uh, this is
34:24
Speaker 1: a bad day. I'm going to have a lot more
34:27
Speaker 1: bad days coming up. I've already had my worst day.
34:32
Speaker 1: And and I know the difference between a mistake and
34:36
Speaker 1: a tragedy, and this is a mistake. And I think
34:40
Speaker 1: that we've been able to show in this administration over
34:42
Speaker 1: the last two years that we've done a lot of
34:44
Speaker 1: really good things. And that's going to continue to be
34:47
Speaker 1: my focus. What happens now. Back to the information and
34:50
Speaker 1: records the mayor's office has declined to release, include the
34:55
Speaker 1: number of employees in her office who have been involved
34:59
Speaker 1: respond ending to the un unfolding scandal instead of their
35:04
Speaker 1: usual duties for the taxpayers, the hours they spent on
35:09
Speaker 1: the scandal. All these employees are paid by taxpayers. Written
35:15
Speaker 1: communications between the mayor, her aids, and officials in the
35:19
Speaker 1: police department about the affair. State law gives members of
35:23
Speaker 1: the public the right to review government records, including texts
35:28
Speaker 1: and emails involving public officials. They are refusing to release
35:36
Speaker 1: written communications between the mayor, her aids, and a private
35:41
Speaker 1: individual working on behalf of the mayor that reference to
35:45
Speaker 1: the affair. Um She keeps saying we'll give any records
35:51
Speaker 1: over to anyone who would like them, and a news
35:54
Speaker 1: conference where she admitted the affair. But it hasn't been
35:59
Speaker 1: that easiest, more like pulling a tune to Joel broad Sky,
36:03
Speaker 1: defense attorney, So what do you make of it? Will
36:05
Speaker 1: there be some sort of a prosecution or now probably
36:09
Speaker 1: I can probably under a theft uh theory, it would
36:14
Speaker 1: sound to me, uh that there would be. Now that's
36:17
Speaker 1: you know, hundred thousand dollar theft. It's probably a felony,
36:20
Speaker 1: So it's a serious crime. I don't know if it's
36:24
Speaker 1: putting anybody in jail, but I wouldn't be surprised too
36:27
Speaker 1: to see something along in those lines. I don't know
36:29
Speaker 1: about official misconduct because it has to be violation of
36:33
Speaker 1: a law as opposed to a rule or a regulation.
36:36
Speaker 1: But yeah, I could I could see a theft charge here,
36:39
Speaker 1: and I think it'd be very difficult to beat. If
36:41
Speaker 1: you could show that he knowingly put in uh a
36:44
Speaker 1: request for overtime pay for a time when he knew
36:47
Speaker 1: he was involved in the tryst with the with the
36:50
Speaker 1: with the mayor. It would be a difficult case to defend,
36:53
Speaker 1: except if you could definitively show that he knowingly put
36:56
Speaker 1: in an time slip for a period when he knew
37:00
Speaker 1: he was not um. Yeah, well what I see, uh,
37:07
Speaker 1: Vincent Hell with me private eye and former Nashville police
37:10
Speaker 1: officer in this very jurisdiction. The search affidavits and warrants
37:16
Speaker 1: state that state statutes from misconduct of public officials and
37:22
Speaker 1: employees as well as theft of property. Now, what do
37:26
Speaker 1: you make of theft of property charges? Vincent Hall? How
37:30
Speaker 1: will that be supported by the law? Well, I think
37:33
Speaker 1: you have all the elements of that, Nancy. I mean,
37:37
Speaker 1: you're you're submitting these these documents for this overtime which
37:42
Speaker 1: turns out to be false and anything over. I believe
37:45
Speaker 1: five dollars last I remember is considered a felony in Nashville.
37:50
Speaker 1: We're talking about a hundred and seventy thousand dollars worth.
37:54
Speaker 1: So you know, for Rob it's it's definitely not looking
37:58
Speaker 1: that great for him. Not only is he going through
38:01
Speaker 1: a divorce now he's possibly looking at some serious gentle
38:04
Speaker 1: time as well. Well, here's my issue back to Joel Brodsky,
38:09
Speaker 1: the photos taken without the mayor's knowledge. She's claiming she
38:13
Speaker 1: didn't know about these photos. That seems those allegations seem
38:17
Speaker 1: to be the most serious to me of what's being
38:21
Speaker 1: alleged right now, What do you think of that? Well, yeah,
38:25
Speaker 1: obviously you know, and this happens more and more with
38:28
Speaker 1: the new technologies cell phones, everybody has cameras of taking
38:33
Speaker 1: pictures of people, um, in compromising situations, in places where
38:39
Speaker 1: you know, normally you wouldn't expect for your photograph to
38:42
Speaker 1: be taken. So they have an evasion of privacy issue
38:47
Speaker 1: there that that has been criminalized in a lot of jurisdictions. Uh.
38:53
Speaker 1: And obviously you know the math unknowingly taking you know,
38:57
Speaker 1: new photographs of a woman, uh, without their knowledge or consent?
39:02
Speaker 1: Is you know? Now, I'm just morally wrong, but but
39:06
Speaker 1: potentially criminally wrong. Listen, you mentioned that there were taken
39:10
Speaker 1: if they were of you, they were taken a your puition,
39:12
Speaker 1: are you prepared to rushes against prism. I haven't seen
39:16
Speaker 1: the pictures, um and so I don't know what they contain.
39:19
Speaker 1: I don't know what that looks like. And at the moment,
39:22
Speaker 1: that's not what my focus is. My focus is on
39:25
Speaker 1: dealing with the this investigation and collaborating with TV. So
39:28
Speaker 1: what about that? Did Dr Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer and
39:32
Speaker 1: host of Discovery Ideas Fatal Vows. You know, you deal
39:36
Speaker 1: with relationship issues at ending crime. What about if she's
39:41
Speaker 1: telling the truth that these nude photos, assuming they're her
39:46
Speaker 1: and based on the black pocket book, they are unknowingly
39:50
Speaker 1: taking nude photos, that is a crime, I believe Dr
39:54
Speaker 1: Brian Russell, But you have to see it all the time. Well,
39:57
Speaker 1: and it's absolutely not surprising that the person who would
40:01
Speaker 1: do the other things that this guy allegedly did. You
40:04
Speaker 1: know what what, Well, it's hard to sympathize much with
40:08
Speaker 1: this woman in this case because of her culpability in
40:11
Speaker 1: this If you think about just the guy in the
40:13
Speaker 1: taking of the pictures, it's not hard at all. It's
40:16
Speaker 1: not much of a stretch from from the kind of
40:18
Speaker 1: a person who would engage in all of the other
40:20
Speaker 1: things we've been talking about. Two also then engage in that,
40:23
Speaker 1: which which is why you don't want to get involved
40:26
Speaker 1: with the person like that. You know, every everybody when
40:29
Speaker 1: they think about cheating, they just think about, you know,
40:32
Speaker 1: how bad it is for the spouse to be betraying
40:35
Speaker 1: their spouse. Well, you know what, the other people involved
40:39
Speaker 1: in these affairs, even if they're not married, usually are no,
40:43
Speaker 1: uh are are not a lot more moral people. And
40:46
Speaker 1: then almost always they know that the person they're involved
40:49
Speaker 1: with is cheating on a spouse and they don't care.
40:52
Speaker 1: A lot of times their kids involved they don't care
40:54
Speaker 1: about that either. So you know what, what a surprise
40:57
Speaker 1: that that she got involved with this guy and he
40:59
Speaker 1: turned turns out to if if he did turns out
41:02
Speaker 1: to have victimized her in this way with the picture,
41:05
Speaker 1: it's what, how what a shocker? Well, here's the other thing. Legally,
41:07
Speaker 1: Joel Brodsky. For instance, if a cop is walking along
41:12
Speaker 1: and they see opening your car a bag of coke,
41:16
Speaker 1: that is not an illegal search, okay, because any pedestrian
41:21
Speaker 1: can look in your car and see that. That's just
41:24
Speaker 1: the cop hasn't done anything wrong in this case. If
41:28
Speaker 1: she claims that the naked photos violated her privacy, she's,
41:34
Speaker 1: according to allegations, having sex in a public area that
41:39
Speaker 1: anybody walking by could have seen. So the photos aren't
41:45
Speaker 1: anything that a passer by couldn't see. Well, we don't
41:48
Speaker 1: know where those photos were taken. They were taken into
41:51
Speaker 1: the central area or half when they were on one
41:54
Speaker 1: of their there. They're quote unquote business trips or monkey
41:58
Speaker 1: business trips, uh the quick it could have been taken there. Obviously.
42:04
Speaker 1: If they were taken in the public place, and they're
42:06
Speaker 1: having sex in a public place, I think may also
42:09
Speaker 1: be a crime, even though I don't know if it's
42:11
Speaker 1: a very serious one. Another crime, that's right, you know, yeah,
42:16
Speaker 1: I mean clearly if they're doing if they're taking the
42:17
Speaker 1: photos in a place where she had no expectation of privacy,
42:20
Speaker 1: then she wouldn't it wouldn't be a criminal act to
42:23
Speaker 1: take the photos. That so, Pamela for where does it
42:25
Speaker 1: stand now? Again, where it stands now is that you've
42:28
Speaker 1: got four different investigations going on. Uh. My sources say
42:32
Speaker 1: there could be some indictments handed down this week from
42:36
Speaker 1: the d a's office. Um and and at this point
42:40
Speaker 1: she's refusing to resign. There is a divorce that's starting
42:44
Speaker 1: to happen. Rob Forrest seems to be out of the
42:48
Speaker 1: public eye and Nancy. Sergeant Forest did release a statement
42:52
Speaker 1: through his attorney. I'll read it. For over thirty one years,
42:57
Speaker 1: I've been honored to serve in the Metropolitan nash Ill
43:00
Speaker 1: Police Department. I devoted fourteen years of that time supervising
43:04
Speaker 1: the Mayor's protective detail during three administrations. I deeply regret
43:09
Speaker 1: that my professional relationship with Mayor Barry turned into a
43:13
Speaker 1: personal one. This has caused great pain for my wife,
43:16
Speaker 1: my family, friends, and colleagues. At no time did I
43:20
Speaker 1: ever violate my oath as a police officer or engage
43:23
Speaker 1: in actions that would abuse the public trust. I have
43:27
Speaker 1: recently retired from the police department. I hope that the
43:30
Speaker 1: media and public respect my privacy and that of my
43:32
Speaker 1: family as I seek to rebuild the trust of the
43:36
Speaker 1: ones I love the most. That's where it stands. It's
43:40
Speaker 1: and Nashville is embarrassed at this point. Well, here's the
43:44
Speaker 1: other thing. Men do it all the time, and they
43:47
Speaker 1: get away with it, and they continue successful political careers
43:50
Speaker 1: and all sorts of careers. I'm not saying that's a
43:53
Speaker 1: good thing. But is she being more persecuted because she's
43:56
Speaker 1: a woman or does it have to do with the
44:00
Speaker 1: over time and stealing from the taxpayers. That's the big question,
44:05
Speaker 1: and that is a question that that I will say
44:08
Speaker 1: Nashville voters, that's what they care about. They honestly don't
44:12
Speaker 1: care about the sex. Now listen to what the mayor
44:14
Speaker 1: tells Nashville News Channel five. Were all of those legitimate
44:20
Speaker 1: business trips, absolutely every single one of them. And if
44:23
Speaker 1: it hadn't been Sergeant Forest, who would have been traveling
44:26
Speaker 1: with me as detail, there would have been other detail
44:28
Speaker 1: and traveling with me the details. Security policy is set
44:33
Speaker 1: by the police department and they they say I have
44:36
Speaker 1: to travel with security. Some people will look at that
44:41
Speaker 1: and say that taxpayers are paying for this relationship. What
44:46
Speaker 1: would you say to them? And when I think, what
44:49
Speaker 1: this reflects is again the policy that the police have
44:52
Speaker 1: about making sure that when I'm working that I have
44:55
Speaker 1: detail and uh, and I don't think it's a secret
44:58
Speaker 1: that I do work a lot and I do have
45:01
Speaker 1: a pretty aggressive schedule was he getting paid by taxpayer
45:06
Speaker 1: at any point when you were having your personal time?
45:11
Speaker 1: How can taxpayers know that all of that overtime was
45:14
Speaker 1: completely legitimate. I think that the records will show if
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Speaker 1: you look at my schedule versus his overtime, you will
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Speaker 1: see that my schedule reflects that I was out there working.
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Speaker 1: When it comes to the city in Nashville, you we're
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Speaker 1: sergeant for his boss. Why did you not say at
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Speaker 1: some point, if I'm going to have this relationship, he
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Speaker 1: needs to be removed from my detail. That was a
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Speaker 1: mistake and I should have so that was a failure
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Speaker 1: as the mayor. That was a failure from a personal
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Speaker 1: perspective to say, you know, this is something that's happening
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Speaker 1: and I should I should remedy this. What I should
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Speaker 1: have done is not remedied and being a part of
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Speaker 1: my security detail, whether or not I should have owned
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Speaker 1: up and not had the affair Nancy Grace Crime Stories,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,