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Forced to wear my Hijab (Ft. Sh Saleem Bhimji) · After Maghrib 🌙

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All the billahi Min ash-shaytani.
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No, no James Miller of mannerheim respected, brothers
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and sisters, salam-o-alaikum, but I thought a lot and welcome
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back to the aftermath of the podcast before we get into the
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discussion. I just want to say thank you to
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everyone who's engaged recently, an, especially over the Muharram
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and suffer season. It's been an absolute eye-opener
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for us. And, of course, we've learned so
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much from you also, thank you for that.
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But today, brothers sisters, we want to talk about a topic which
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is really interesting, and I think quite relevant nowadays.
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The idea that no one can judge me.
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Except Only God can judge me and in doing so there's no
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compulsion in religion that it could all have 15.
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This is a narrative, which we've been seeing a lot online
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recently and we wanted to get into this to analyze it, to
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discuss it. And as always I would say
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highly. I'll make him say quick, quick,
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slow mo are doing on the law, Abdullah Abdullah.
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IBN Mubarak. We are all out of the season of
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Muharram and suffering on. We are indeed and I'm looking
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forward to all the celebrations in sha.
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Allah, you shall have the Muslim Community.
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All of us together, shot around inshallah inshallah, double
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overlays a month where we have a load of things to celebrate each
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other. We're going to be talking about
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these things in the coming weeks and hopefully doing a
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celebration on the podcast as well as to keep an eye out for
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that. We are really lucky and blessed
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to be joined. By none other than Chef selling
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Benji. Some way they can share now
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while they can slam off until then, thank you so much for
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being here. Thank you for having me here
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tonight on this program, not to you, or to a chef come, all the
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way from Canada. How has your time been in the
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UK? You know, so far so good.
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I've been able to interact with some of the communities in
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Birmingham, specifically. And in London, yeah, kind of
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meet some of the Young Generation we can say, I think
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as well and get a feeling, get a pulse of what's happening on the
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ground over here. Nice recognizing that some of
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the Has that that we have in Canada are similar over here?
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Yeah, so the ocean might divide us but our challenges kind of
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United's together and hopefully that means our Solutions can be
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a common solution, right? For the challenges that we both
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are facing on this. In this time that we live in
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right now sha sha Allah. I don't think just all
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challenges. You know, it's also our coffee
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because now we've got a lot more Tim Hortons.
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Well, so don't Park Royal. Yeah, everybody's popping up in
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the Canadian influence Marshall lives for those who don't know.
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To say just before we actually started the podcast when the
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check arrived at Mission to Morton's because that's the
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first thing I can remember, being in Canada's the staple
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branch of vanilla latte. For those who don't know, Chef
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Salim. I'll tell you a bit about him
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and his background. Of course, this doesn't do
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justice to his really impressive and extensive CV or resume for
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listening from North America, but the sure grew up in Canada.
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He then traveled to the holy city of come to pursue Islamic
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Studies and then after that, he returned to Canada if I'm not
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mistaken, correct? He's also the director of the
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Tuscany mr. Chu?
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No no. It's like Publishing House.
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Okay? Nice Marshall.
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Yes. Yeah.
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Okay, fantastic. And on top of that as well, the
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Shockers working with the Alcazar Foundation to work on
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eight volumes of commentary in the English language to farseer
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of the Holy Quran, due to be released, and Charles in the
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next six or seven years and shoulder volume, 1 will be in
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the New Year from January. And then one year of Subs, one
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volume per year subsequently after that.
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Okay, fantastic, fantastic. So, you were really lucky to
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have the show. We are indeed and I was telling
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the chef is you're very familiar found out you've crossed paths I
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believe elevated we had somewhere in 2016.
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Yes such a pleasure having you here.
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Thank you once again but more importantly is pleasure that I
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believe not just myself and am table, everyone watching or
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listening wherever they are on the world.
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They're going to gain from the sea of knowledge that we have
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on. You do our best inshallah we can
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do in Charlotte. Now, I don't know how we will
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ensure love start this conversation because I feel like
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I'm a student sitting beside you beside you.
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Have a question if I'm allowed to personally go ahead and it's,
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you know, I have many friends and handle are part of a huge
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Community here in the UK. And I see a statement that a lot
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of people always say. And it's whether you it's not
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about judging, it's about maybe telling them what's right what's
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wrong. And they always say, only Allah
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can judge me. Now sometimes it makes us think
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are we being judgmental? Or are we right to judge
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someone? All we actually not judging
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anyone. Where do we stand with the
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statement? We tell, for example, you know,
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our brothers, our sisters, this is wrong, or this is what's
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right? Where do we stand as Muslims?
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When it comes to advising other brothers and sisters?
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Good, good question. I think, an important way to
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start the discussion. So I think at one level, when we
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say that only, God, can judge me, I think, to an extent where
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right meaning on the day of judgment when we are in the
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presence of our creator, obviously he will be the only
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one to judge us at that time. But I think at the same Time
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that we believe that God can only judge us.
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We recognize that in the life of this world.
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We do have Concepts within religion within Islam.
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Within the teachings of the often invade peace, be upon
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them. Where we are kind of expected to
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not necessarily judge one, another would help one another
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out on the path. So that for example, the Quran
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says, you know what to, I want to.
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I love building what taqwa. Well, doctor I want to a lift
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me. What would one that encouraged
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and helped one another towards piety and goodness?
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And kind of help dissuade other, you know, one another from sins
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and evilness, right? So there's this, I think there's
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a misconception that people have where we think.
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Well, you know, this person is doing something wrong, I
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shouldn't tell them, or, you know, where is we have to look
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at it as we're not trying to push or impose this llama on
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them but we are as, as believing brothers and sisters because we
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are awliya, we are friends and Protectors of one another that
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we want the best for one another, right?
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I want to get to heaven, but I want all of All of my brothers
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and sisters to get to heaven. And so if I can give a little
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bit of guidance to help them out because sometimes or I would say
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most of the time I don't think are believing brothers and
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sisters break the laws of God because intentionally don't like
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God or Allah or they want to displease the prophet or the 108
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peace. Be upon them.
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I think sometimes we just don't know better or we're stuck in a
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situation of a secular society and we're kind of were pushed
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into those kind of Corners, right?
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So, I think it's almost an obligation that we need to
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encourage one another towards goodness and peyote, it looks
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like we're kind of stepping on people's, you know, on their
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feet, on their toes, so to speak.
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But I think if we recognize it as a community, that we're all
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helping one, another get to the ideal path, then I'm not looking
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at it. That why is he?
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Or she telling me what to do. It's like, you know, thank you
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for helping me put myself straight, right?
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Did you think shift, of course luck?
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Especially nowadays. Instead, I'm sure you can agree.
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We live in. This post modern 21st century,
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social media age. Now, with with social media
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especially there's so many more Avenues to put yourself out
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there and then of course as a repercussions to them be judged.
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So every time I post something, I post a status, I post a photo,
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I post an opinion, there's a flurry of judgments and those
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judgments sometimes can be subtle so they can be in the
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form of like a reaction or an emoji or a like or dislike or
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something like that. So the the modern-day judging is
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An expanding the ways, in which we can judge people and
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nowadays. Sometimes, of course.
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There's there's, there's a term which you here, which is
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snowflakes, which you guys here, of course, and on the news and
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on Twitter and so on people will each other snowflakes and people
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saying that people, you know, deserve to be canceled and so on
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and all of it comes down to the concept of emotion.
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Now, to what degree in the religion of Islam, should we be
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emotional if that makes sense? And should we be Be allowed to
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have a response to someone's Judgment of us.
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Is it a case where, for example Allah, Subhan Allah tells us in
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the Holy Quran and I had the tells us I'm gonna build my own
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roof and that, you know, munch on so we should accept it or are
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we allowed to respond and to have an emotion?
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Mmm. So I think, you know, with all
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of the obligations, we have all of the photo and Dana's.
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We have the ten. Let's say, we know that there
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are prerequisites for all of them, right?
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Like if it's a lot time right now, I need to make will do or
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purify myself. I need to know the direction of
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the Qibla. And all the other rules with all
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of the photo ID and we have those similarly similar
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prerequisites, right. So when we come to a mobile
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model for not handling, one car encouraging, good and forbidding
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evil. There are multiple
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prerequisites. That have to be in place before
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I can even think about commenting on somebody on their
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on their status or on their, you know, their clothing or
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something or whatever that they're doing.
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Yeah. Right.
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So I think we also have to recognize that there are
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limitations There are rules that have to be followed and it's not
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just okay. I see somebody doing something
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wrong on social media, or even, you know, in person and, you
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know, in real life. And I that I need to, for
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example, immediately comments, and maybe even reprimand them,
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let's say right, there is so many things that we have to keep
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in mind, right? Just as an example, right, some
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the scholars say that when it comes to you see somebody doing
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wrong is that you have to know that they know the difference
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between right and wrong. If if you see somebody doing
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something that's not valid from the Islamic perspective, there's
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a different way that you have. Carry yourself and you have to
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know what they're doing is wrong many times.
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You know, I think people are not aware of what is happening and
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they see somebody doing something and they think, well,
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that's how am I need to go and correct?
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Correct them. Right.
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But if we don't, if we ourselves are not aware of the religion,
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and all the nuances than we're, not really, in a position to
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judge that person, right? We don't know what they're
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doing, why they're doing it? There may be other reasons why
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they're involved in something, you know, not to condone immuno
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impermissible actions. But we don't Know what's going
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on at that particular juncture in their life, right?
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I just give you a very, very practical example that actually
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happened to myself when I was working in the corporate world.
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So we had a team lunch with my director and my co-workers.
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And so I managed to get to the restaurant before my before my,
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you know, the rest of my team. So the next two team members
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that came were female. So now, we were sitting at the
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same table in a Halal restaurant and Canada, they're both Muslim,
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women, Maja Jabez, right? Um, now if somebody from our
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community were to come in and see that, what are they going to
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think about a bad impression, right?
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But they didn't, they would they're not have known that.
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Our team members were coming in a few minutes and we just
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happened to get to the restaurant wicker furniture.
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So you know, when we if we look at any incident in our lives
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like that whether it's on social media platform or in real life,
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we recognize that what we see is not necessarily what is
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happening behind the scenes, beautiful.
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So I think we always need to keep be careful, right?
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That we don't want to be judgmental.
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Play that holier-than-thou. Now card, recognize that what
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we're seeing might not necessarily be the entire
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picture when you try, right? Yeah.
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So no. I like that.
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You like that. Yeah, it's true.
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And I think say it is, well, you know, reminds me of it.
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Reminds me of discussions. We've had about mental health
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and so on of moves because people will, for example,
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sometimes react in spite or maybe an anger, but maybe like
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the sheriff said, we don't know how what someone's going
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through. We don't know what sort of
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challenges, they're facing, well, maybe they don't, they
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don't even What they're doing is wrong and that and sometimes we
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do things and we don't even know it's wrong.
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And we get told this wrong nothing, you know, Chef to
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mention two important words. You said, we want to encourage
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them and we want to help them. I didn't ever see it from that
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perspective, you know, because because the other side of the
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argument of the people that only say, Only God can judge me is
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that you guys are being too judgmental, but they've never
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seen as a way of actually trying to help or advice and support
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them, which is, I think very important that you mentioned.
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But you think share that this concept of like us Support
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system, is it? Our fault as a community that we
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that people have an impression and within the community, people
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have an impression of us being judgmental or community at large
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being a judgment or Community. Because when that counsel is
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given, for example, it doesn't come across as supportive and it
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may come across as as to couple for example, and looking down on
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someone and condescending in that sense.
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So what role do we have to play? Or how do we approach people?
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Because, of course we can we can say something I'm just trying to
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help you And so on, but it may come across the wrong way.
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So how do we approach that? I think like you mentioned that
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many times, it comes off as a very condescending attitude of
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the whole year. They'll holier-than-thou
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perception, right? And I think it has to do with
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maybe again, the way that we have looked at religion and how
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these obligations have to be put in place, right?
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Like I mean if you look at Even in our traditional medressa
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system, right? How many hours and and and
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sessions are devoted to how to make will do how to pray the
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Salat, right? Everybody singled out.
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And all these things we learn in detail in medressa fasting, how
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to fast all the, you know, the doubts.
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If you do this wrong, how you break your fast, but I would ask
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myself and you know, ask both of you as well.
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That I think both, you probably went through some other as a
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system or some form of learning for our of our religious studies
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at how how many hours or weeks did your teacher dedicate to
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encouraging good and forbidding evil.
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And I'm going to build my roof and nothing under the moniker.
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Like how much what we taught of the rules and recommendations
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and and methodology and how to speak to People like, did we
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ever learn their mother? So how to how to speak to people
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and how to help them. Write like Allah says, in the
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Quran, for example, what we lost a billion, Rebecca will hit
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Mighty Wilma with their tail hasanah.
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You know, invite people to the way of your lord, not through
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yelling and screaming and, you know, you know, violent
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aggression. It's through beautiful,
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exhortation to encouragement, to words of guidance.
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But have you ever been taught that in a madrasa system?
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I'd have our elderly generation the seniors and that generation
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where Were they ever taught how to speak to people to encourage
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them? Right.
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I don't I don't I don't see our Prophet who was a man of Mercy.
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If that if you saw somebody doing something wrong in Mecca
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or medina that he would just go and you know slap him or you
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know, use vulgarity or profanity or saying your agenda me you're
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going to hell. What are you doing, right?
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He was a man of mercy of compassion.
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Allah says about him in the Quran had you been further
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Inland a little Pub than fuck demand holik.
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If you had been hard, you know, very Turn people would have run
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away from you. So if we look at these I out of
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how rasoolallah was hmm and I'm sure the actual date that they
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had a similar obviously characteristic to them.
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I don't think we have that in us where we see people doing wrong
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and we become extremely judgmental.
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Rude harsh. You know we might use - names to
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describe them, not recognizing that the Quran gives us a
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completely different picture of how you communicate to other
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people, right? Give you just one example is
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that if you look in the Quran, when a lot Allah tells me Musa
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and harun to go to Pharaoh on a man who claims to be the God,
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who claims to be the Rob. Allah says it Hubble Affair.
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Own vakula home, cold and lien, speak to him, a gentle word.
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Wow. So imagine you're going to a guy
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who calls him wrong. Yeah.
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And God says speak to them and speak to my gentle word.
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If you're going to speak with you.
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A guy who claims to be God gently?
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Wow. How can we not talk to our
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fellow brothers and sisters with with respect it baffles him?
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Mind to think that we can be rude to one another, right?
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So that's a beautiful example because, you know, I'll be in in
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scenarios where I live and it's normally people that we respect
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along and these are people who are more learned that the Elders
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of community like when they come and they want to advise a
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brother, for example, sometimes they do in front of everyone, I
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think that's wrong. Yeah.
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And I think the best thing, the best way to advise someone or
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help them encourage them to do. The right thing is pull them,
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aside speak to them in private. And I think if there is more of
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That more people will be welcoming decide bison shown
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here just to ask that as well. It's I think I believe if I'm
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not mistaken there's a Hadith I hope of Muhammad's Allah will
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send them all. Actually a story where a man
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comes the holy prophet Muhammad and he says, give me a jazzer to
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commit zener and the holy prophet instead of bashing into
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him and and slaughtering him and banishing him from the religion,
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he responds to the man and I'm paraphrasing along the lines of
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saying the lady who are looking to commit Xena with Is also
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someone's daughter and sister and so on and so forth.
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Rethink this action of whether you changes to protect your
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change of respect and the man subhanallah rethought this and
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the holy prophet Muhammad made a dart or last month has been
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looking at a lot. He's not committed this sin, but
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he has the desire to do. It remove this illness or
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disease from his heart and his soul and I'm delighted it
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worked. And of course that man didn't
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commit such an action. But it's just an example.
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That's like you said, she act to follow in the footsteps of the
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added. Basically almost Um, that, you
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know, there are ways maybe to communicate these things and and
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that maybe we don't have to be so spiteful when we do this.
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I think we fall into this trap, a lot of the time as so-called
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practicing Muslims, as practicing people that I'm in a
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mosque and this guy's praying wrong for example, or he's just
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the smallest things. I'm gonna go up to envelope
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brother. You shouldn't do this.
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This is very bad. If you do this Allah will do
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this to, for example like this, there's many ways where you can
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guys, always, you're gonna end up.
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And help. Yeah.
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So he's very scary. It is it is, it's unfortunate.
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Hmm. Definitely, you know we
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definitely have to as I said, right?
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We've learned all the rules of praying and fasting and Hajj and
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all of these things. But we haven't really learned
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interpersonal skills, right? As relievers, right in the
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Quran, again, as I give you one example of Moses and Aaron with,
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with the Pharaoh. There are so many more examples
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in the Quran that if we were to read the Quran with that kind of
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the reading that we're looking for guidance, we recognize.
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Allah is teaching us even, you know interpersonal relationship,
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skills of how to deal with other people.
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Again, we always jump to conclusions, were always very,
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you know, we're very rude to people many times, right?
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And I think that obviously is pushing people away from the
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religion. Yeah, whereas again, you know,
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the prophet brought the religion and all the rules within the
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Quran and his in his Sunnah, to get us closer to Allah, right?
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And you can't get closer to Allah when you have that kind of
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an attitude with with other people, mmm-hmm, I was going to
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ask you now this concept and I know, I know we've talked about
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this before the episode when we briefly mentioned, the vast,
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like I have Ford in. Why is that something?
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Which we want to discuss today as part of this discussion?
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Dr. Crawford in this from Surat al-baqarah mistaken and it's the
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reason why discussing is because even I've been looking at a lot
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recently, you know, given the recent Affairs around the world
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today I'm sure the viewers and listeners.
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They know what's happening around the world.
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This is this verse has been quoted everywhere even by
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non-muslims and the Surprising thing is that Muslims are using
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this to say that you can do whatever you want, just like a
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freedom pass, you know, you can be a Muslim, you can do whatever
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you want. There's no consequence.
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What is the what is the vast mean?
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There is no compulsion in religion.
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Yeah, that's I'm not an expert when it comes to, you know, the
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tafseer of this verse. So I'm going to pass this
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question on said, so yourself. The beauty of having.
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Yes, yes, yes, it is the easy job.
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So yeah, you're right. You know, in Reverse 256.
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So I was obviously as we know I talk or see 255.
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Yeah. And the Hadith say 256 and 257
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complete I talk or see. So 256 the very first part says,
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like, haha 15ml, right? That there is no compulsion in
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religion and so I think one of the things that we have to
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recognize is obviously the history of Revelation.
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This is one of the things as Muslims we kind of tend to
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overlook you know we have to put ourselves in the mind of a
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Muslims 1400 years ago because every verse that came down to
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the prophet was coming down. Because things were happening in
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Mecca or medina. Yeah.
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And in order to respond in order for the prophet to respond to,
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let's say that the non-believers around him or when Muslims were
19:59
posing questions, allow would reveal to the prophet,
20:01
Revelation, the Quran, and then the prophet would convey it.
20:04
Mmm. So every verse we have to remind
20:06
remind ourselves, it was being revealed in the, in historical
20:09
context. So like, could I have 15 as the
20:12
Quran, clearly says there's no compulsion in religion with a
20:16
few different opinions of why it was revealed one of them.
20:19
I'm not about to buy mentions and I'll Meson is that there is
20:22
a man named Hussein in the city of Medina, who had two sons.
20:27
So they were a Muslim family and they, you know they had a lot of
20:31
different Traders and Caravans that would come to the city of
20:33
Medina selling their goods. One of those Caravans belong to
20:37
a Christian and so the two boys of this man Hussain they were
20:41
kind of you know, they went to the Caravan to maybe buy
20:44
something and this man was also pedaling religion, you know.
20:48
Unfortunately he was using his, you know, his businessman, kind
20:52
of, you know, job as also, a propagator for Christianity.
20:57
So anyways, the two boys, converted to Islam.
21:00
They left the prophet, they left the religion of Islam, they
21:02
became Christians. Sorry.
21:04
So now the father is distraught obviously like, you know, how
21:06
can I, how can I allow my two children living at the time of
21:10
the Prophet to leave Islam and become Christians?
21:13
So he goes to the messenger of Allah.
21:15
He says do I have the permission to coerce and force my To come
21:20
back to the religion of Islam. Can I reuse?
21:22
You know, violence or force? And this verse comes down.
21:26
Like it could all have 15. Look, your children are adults.
21:29
You cannot force them to come to Islam or you can to come back to
21:32
Islam rather from, you know, leaving Islam going to
21:35
Christianity. So, you know, we have to
21:37
recognize like Raw Feed in its historical context.
21:40
And what it means is that as Muslims from the time of the
21:44
Prophet till today and until the end of time, we're not allowed
21:48
to force. It's somebody to convert and you
21:51
think about it. You can't change the heart of
21:53
somebody by force, but you can make their bodies submit, but
21:57
you will never make their heart submit to Allah who guided them
21:59
alive, diet, and Alaska's us so many times.
22:02
The Quran that, you know, he tells the prophet, you cannot
22:04
guide whom you want. However, Allah will guide whom
22:07
he wants, right? So like a 15 definitely is a
22:10
part of our religion, but it doesn't mean that, you know, it
22:14
doesn't mean, I think, what most of the Muslims wanted to mean,
22:17
or what the orientalists are normal.
22:18
I'm sorry. Trying to say this verse means,
22:22
right? It's about coming into Islam.
22:24
You we can never force people, we give them the message and
22:27
then we let Allah, you know, mold the heart towards Islam.
22:31
Mmm. Dude, that's I'd be, that's a
22:33
beautiful interpretation of the bus because it's, by the way,
22:37
Shannon is one of the first time I've heard, I've heard it from
22:39
this business perspective and I think it's important that we can
22:42
have more people who actually speak about this from.
22:45
Yes, Aslam expects. It, it's more important because
22:47
you know the way the media is Hijacked this verse is just
22:50
completely different area. Completely this ironic because
22:54
the concept of compulsion and Islam, like you said, in the
22:57
media and in day-to-day, his seemingly looks like it's hand
23:00
in hand. That slams compulsion.
23:02
A compulsion is a slab. Of course, we're not.
23:04
Like you said, she has the last one table is does not like
23:07
compulsion and, and other, if I correct me if I'm wrong here,
23:10
but in the Holy Quran, Allah spawned all that mentions that
23:12
you cannot compel, for example, your daughter's into
23:15
prostitution, for example, and things like that.
23:18
And I know, It's a bit crude to mention but compulsion even in
23:20
filk you cannot compel. For example a divorce, if a
23:25
husband and a wife and a family compelled, the husband to
23:30
divorce the wife. In fact that's not accepted,
23:32
it's an invalid divorce. So, of course it's something for
23:35
us to consider and so specifically on that verse year
23:39
when people are using that verse for their own purposes.
23:42
Yeah. Or to say like that I can do, I
23:44
want God's not compelling me to do anything, I don't have to
23:46
pray five times a day. I don't have to wear the hijab.
23:48
Bob, I don't have to not do X Y or Z.
23:52
Is it an incorrect use or is it a kind of an abuse of of the
23:56
verse that I do want to go to that extreme?
23:58
But how wrong is it to use the best for your own means?
24:01
Yeah, I think those Muslims and even non-muslims who try to use
24:05
this portion of that verse to justify their lack of practice
24:09
of Islam. They're doing a disservice to
24:11
the Quran and their I think they're cheating themselves, I
24:13
would say right because we have to look at it.
24:16
That yes, there's no compulsion in religion to come.
24:18
To Islam. But once you come into Islam,
24:21
once you acknowledge that you are a Muslim, then you are
24:24
basically obliged to follow the rules, right?
24:27
Give you a very practical example that we all fly around
24:31
the world, right? When covid hit obviously flights
24:33
were mostly cancelled but once once the airlines began to
24:37
reopen, I wasn't compelled to fly to UK for example.
24:41
But once I booked my ticket and I walk onto that plane, I'm now
24:45
compelled to wear a mask, right? I'm now compelled to do so, Some
24:48
things that I would normally want to do such a such a good
24:52
analogy. Somebody could say, well, you
24:54
know, you're impeding on my rights.
24:56
Well, yeah, you might have a right to not wear a mask but
25:00
there's a right for the people on that plane to be protected,
25:03
right? And if the medical experts have
25:05
said, that, one of the ways that safer covid to spread was
25:07
through, droplets in the air and the mask is a preventative
25:10
means. Then I can say, well okay, I
25:12
won't board the plane then then you know, then you don't have to
25:15
wear the mask. So similarly with Islam, when
25:17
Allah says like Rahab Dean don't come into a swamp if you don't
25:20
want to follow the rules, but once you come into this house
25:23
called Islam, then you're expected to follow the rules.
25:27
Now, the Challenger comes right, is that Islamic rules are at
25:30
could maybe two different levels.
25:32
One are the personal and one of the societal rules so like
25:36
rafidhi, and if I don't want to pray my salaat, I can just, I
25:39
don't have to pray, you know, there's no, there's no morality
25:42
police coming to my home and knock.
25:44
Hey, did you pray fudger today, right.
25:46
Nobody knows whether I prayed or not but me.
25:48
E not praying is not going to impact a society on a whole,
25:52
right? Like it won't affect any of you
25:54
are there. Other Muslims or non-muslims.
25:56
If a Muslim doesn't pray, but there are societal rules within
26:00
Islam and some of them are not even in the Quran or they're
26:03
very generally mentioned in the Quran but those societal rules
26:06
impact the society, right? So those are the rules, were
26:10
Aslam says that. Yes, you may not be compelled to
26:13
follow the, you know, the praying and the fasting and the
26:16
other aspects. But When you step out of your
26:19
house when you're in the public sphere, then even if you don't
26:22
like those rules, like the masking policy.
26:24
Yeah. Now you have to follow it
26:26
because you are living in a society and a Muslim Society,
26:29
has certain norms and values, which need to be upheld even if
26:33
you kind of don't like those rules.
26:35
Right? Right, right.
26:37
So I think we have to recognize and especially Muslim Community
26:40
have to recognize that. There are those rules that that
26:42
verse can't be misused. But once we've come into Islam,
26:46
then we need to follow the rules.
26:48
The purse at a personal level, you don't have to wear hijab at
26:51
home. Let's say if you want you know
26:53
your friends come over you know male family and friends that are
26:55
non Muharram. If a woman doesn't want to wear
26:58
hijab in front of them, she's free to do it if she wants, but
27:01
whence a woman or let me even say that once a man even comes
27:04
into the public because men have hijab as well.
27:07
Yeah, right. We have to also men have to wear
27:09
a certain level of clothing when we go out in public.
27:12
Just as women, do women have a more defined specific form of
27:16
covering of the body? Yeah.
27:18
But when Go into the public sphere.
27:19
Then those rules of you can't force me or you can't judge me.
27:23
They change, right? Once you go into that public in
27:27
the pot is now affecting Society.
27:29
Yeah, exactly. Right.
27:31
Yeah. And I think it's probably
27:33
applicable with so many so many different things.
27:35
Yeah, it in religion and just generally, like you said in
27:39
day-to-day lives and the lines are so blurred living in the
27:42
west because you can do something or avoid doing
27:46
something, which I slammed tells you to do or not to Do perhaps
27:49
and even though it's a personal decision and like you said, she
27:51
acts, we have the free will to choose what to do.
27:55
There will be an effect at the bare minimum on ourselves and
27:59
then that the most, they'll be in effect to our immediate
28:01
circles in the wider society as well.
28:03
Yeah, so it's something for us to consider.
28:05
But what about, for example, say, I want to ask you as well,
28:08
because I know we've seen a lot and you alluded to kind of what
28:11
we've been seeing in the current affairs and so on.
28:14
But we have seen the backlash of people who feel compelled to do.
28:18
I think so. For example, if there is a law
28:23
in place or if there's some some sort of narrative out there and
28:27
someone feels compelled and they Rebel as a result of that
28:31
compulsion, if you see what I mean, they may come out and
28:34
throw sticks and stones and get angry and so on, what do you
28:38
think living here? Kind of like in London is our
28:41
responsibility or just generally in the west because of course
28:43
there's there's times where people will will maybe respond
28:47
with. - and say, you Muslim, or you, she are forcing X Y, or Z,
28:53
for example, and we are then put in a really precarious position
28:58
as to how to approach it, you know?
28:59
I mean hmm. No, I asking in terms of, for
29:02
example, as a non-muslim coming here or the like a Muslim,
29:05
either all that, but if someone is, for example, on the
29:08
offensive against the community or against Islam, as a whole,
29:12
whether they are within their religion, but unwilling to
29:16
participate or to practice or even outside The religion, but
29:19
are not in favorite. She's awesome.
29:20
And I generally genuinely believe that, if you tell anyone
29:24
anything, yeah, but they got offended.
29:26
You said it the wrong way, Yanni.
29:28
It all comes down to how you have judged them.
29:31
Yes, sometimes you can. You can judge them and you can
29:34
miss judge them and not know why they are not doing this or why
29:37
they're not doing the watch about or why they've maybe, you
29:39
know, gone to the side of the path where they usually walking
29:42
on. And that's because they feel
29:45
like you are telling them what to do, and you just need to
29:48
remind And um this is this is a nose on law is law.
29:50
My for example, the Salah is why do we all know as watch it?
29:52
You have to pray five times a day.
29:54
This is how you pray, you have to do a little before.
29:56
This this is this is, you know, the story.
29:58
You have to mention here, they know how it's done.
30:01
But some people, they choose not to pray because they say, you
30:04
know what? For example, you know, I'll pray
30:06
in 10 years. I'll go to Hajj, I'll become a
30:09
Muslim and Allah will forgive all my, she know what?
30:11
Like this, sorry to interrupt, but this is something which I
30:14
feel was becoming more toxic and more frequent.
30:16
So, this whole concept of For example, Islam is a personal
30:19
choice is that God only got lost.
30:22
Once Allah can judge make the chef Michelle because of society
30:24
and Society, for example, the lady choose not to wear the
30:27
hijab at home. Yeah, that's her decision but
30:29
when you come outside, you're affecting society.
30:31
And if they see a sister that's always what the heck?
30:34
Job randomly know suddenly has taken of the idea.
30:38
What does it tell the other people?
30:40
She still, she says, I'm still praying, I'm still fasting, I
30:42
still believe in Allah, but I'm choosing not to whether a job
30:44
that's our choice. Yeah, let's make that clear.
30:46
That is, her choice not between her.
30:48
Last part of town about she's affecting society and because of
30:50
that we are seeing this today. Hmm.
30:53
Yeah, I need for anyone to come and say you know what you're
30:55
saying, this is on the increase. That's because of society, my
30:59
opinion, because you can go to Iraq.
31:01
Let me give an example of a lot. For example, Iraq majority.
31:05
Muslim country majority Shia go to Baghdad.
31:09
Half of them. Don't wear hijab and you
31:11
actually see no compulsion in religion.
31:13
I don't know if that's the right right.
31:14
Place to give an example but people are practicing or people
31:17
not practice as up to you between you and Allah subhanahu
31:20
wa'ta'ala. That's, that's the beauty of
31:22
know, you know, forcing someone Islam on them.
31:26
I don't know if I'm giving you the right answer, most of what I
31:28
understood you correctly. But one thing I want to add to
31:30
the conversation and I had a brother once asked me was like,
31:34
you know, say it. I don't pray.
31:38
I believe in Allah, you know, I go Ciara, I do love for me, you
31:41
know, the she has really love my job and everything because I
31:43
can't pray sometimes on some days.
31:45
I don't fast. Is it wrong, he knows is wrong.
31:48
Do you judge me because we're close friends.
31:50
He said, you judge me when I told him that, I don't judge
31:52
you, that's between you. And I lost part of Tyler, but if
31:55
someone ever comes to ask me, you know, this brother, you
31:58
know, him, he wants to get married, to my sister, who wants
32:01
to get married to my niece. Hmm, I'm not going to come and
32:03
tell him. You pray.
32:04
I'm gonna have to tell him the truth.
32:05
Yeah, so sometimes you need to look for your own.
32:08
You know, sometimes maybe not just the our camera, but for
32:12
this world as well, if you want to find that Soldier Zoila had
32:15
used to do some of these acts. Yeah.
32:17
That was the perspective. Like I would like to give the
32:20
brothers an hour so let's not just be judgmental, Let's help
32:23
them. Yeah yeah I think that you know
32:27
I think that I think that covers that you know, it's It is
32:31
difficult, definitely a difficult situation where I
32:33
think we're in, you know, I mean, I think maybe with with
32:36
social media and the world just to Communications of the world.
32:39
You know, these has become more Amplified, right?
32:41
We're seeing it more, like, I'm sure there have always been
32:43
people who didn't wear hijab women.
32:46
Men who didn't dress appropriately people who didn't
32:49
pray, but I think because social media has given everybody this
32:53
this right to kind of this to be who they want to be.
32:59
We just see it more. But I think at the same time
33:02
again you know we have to I think if we came back down to
33:05
religion Islam being a religion of submission you know.
33:09
Again I think it may also have to do just with the way that we
33:12
haven't taught religion. I think sometimes I had this
33:14
discussion, just I think yesterday or a few days ago with
33:17
some it was some brothers and sisters in the community where
33:20
at one level I think are you know forefathers that came to
33:23
these countries and establish religious centers and the Sunday
33:26
schools. They did.
33:27
What they could do based on their level of education and
33:30
weather. A level of ability to
33:32
communicate to the Next Generation, but perhaps, you
33:36
know, the religion wasn't taught in the right way, you know,
33:40
maybe, for example, myself being brought up in Canada, we were
33:43
kind of as young children taught to worship God, out of the Fear
33:46
Factor. Yeah.
33:47
Worship. Or you go to hell.
33:49
You know, do this or you. Go to hell.
33:51
If you listen to music, you'll have this punishment, right?
33:54
So it was always a Fear Factor and sometimes I think we are
33:57
also kind of inculcated with this.
33:59
This thought, where you would also Face punishment in this
34:02
world like things wouldn't go right for you, right?
34:05
And then if you see you're living a life, you're not
34:07
praying, you're not fasting and nothing.
34:08
You know, fire and brimstone is aren't being showered down upon
34:11
you like we just because you didn't pray or because if you
34:14
have strands of hair were showing, you know, we kind of,
34:18
you know, we lost a lot because there's just that Fear Factor,
34:22
right? But like like Imam Ali would
34:24
say, right? He didn't worship God out of
34:25
fear or out of that slave master relationship but he recognized,
34:29
God was worthy of being worshipped.
34:31
Shift to thank God for all that. He's given to him.
34:33
So he worshiped worshipped him. I think at one level, you know,
34:36
this discussion on on the hijab, for example, because this is
34:40
what's in the news right now, right?
34:41
This don't compel me to wear hijab.
34:43
I should be free to roam the streets with whatever I want to
34:46
wear. I think a lot of it, I think a
34:49
lot of it stems from the fact that we've maybe lost that
34:52
connection with Allah, we don't really know God, you know?
34:55
And because we were never given a clear, presentation of what
34:58
God is or who he is. It was just again.
35:01
Fear Factor why we worship God? I think it's an interesting
35:04
conversation because for someone to say, only Allah can judge me,
35:09
I feel there's an element of humility in it.
35:12
The reason why is because you are accepting even
35:16
subconsciously. The fact that perhaps you are
35:18
not at the level you should be. And I think this applies to all
35:21
the hospitals of course were none of us are flawless by any
35:23
means but there's an element of humility because you understand
35:27
that, I'm not where I should be and I don't want my sins to be.
35:31
Opposed to the world. So that's between Allah and
35:33
there's an element of I want to keep that private so I
35:36
understand that and I also think there's an important thing and I
35:39
have to stress this again, okay? That if you are within the
35:42
Muslim Community, there is no right for anyone to go up to
35:47
another person and to say to them, you are doing X, Y and Z
35:51
wrong. Why are you doing this?
35:52
Because this is to cupboard and this is condescending and it's
35:55
offensive to people and there should be a softness in the way
35:58
we approach people and the way we discuss issues Both on the
36:01
private level and of course on the member and in our
36:04
organizations and so on, and so forth.
36:06
It's, I also want to mention a couple of things that we've,
36:09
we've got because, of course, we've started getting some
36:13
really good feedback. We try something new to say that
36:15
we put out some questions and polls appalling honestly.
36:18
Yeah, honestly G. Which is really cool.
36:20
Can I just interject for just us?
36:22
Yeah. Just, you know, because we're
36:23
just coming out of the season and Muharram, and commemoration
36:26
of the tragedy of a credible line of the start just came to
36:28
my mind, about judging, Polite and we reflect on Imam, Hussein
36:34
peace. Be upon him in horror.
36:35
Yes, he judge her and say, you're, you're the one
36:38
responsible for my children and, you know, becoming orphans and
36:41
my women be taken as captives and, you know, the death of my
36:45
family in a few days to come, right?
36:46
He didn't have that nature and that and that attitude with
36:50
horror, right? He spoke to her in again and
36:52
that loving way, he, you know, even when Horace like, it's time
36:55
for Salat and Imam. Hussein says, do you want to
36:57
lead the prayers? Or do you want me to lead?
36:59
Wow. In say, right?
37:01
He's like, Jose, you're the, you're the grandson of the
37:04
messenger of God, your lead rights and, you know, we have
37:08
the, you know, the famous narration where Imam, Hussain
37:09
tells his house, tells the men that go and feed, not only the
37:13
soldiers of whore water, but feed the animals, the water, he
37:16
knew, obviously a sued, to the knowledge of the Unseen that God
37:19
had given him in these instances, where he needed it
37:22
that this man was blocking his way and it would lead to the day
37:26
of Ashura, but yet he didn't like, you know, he didn't cut
37:29
him off from religion, right? And I think we have to, you
37:32
know, especially because, you know, as followers of the actual
37:34
bait, we hear this narration about about whore every year.
37:38
And we, I think sometimes we just think of it as the
37:40
historical whore, not recognizing that that has to be
37:44
also embodied in our lives. Yeah, right, I mean, who could
37:47
be a greater quote-unquote sinner than hoarder, you know,
37:49
you're blocking the Imam of your time, you're leading to his
37:52
death, but yet you see the compassion in mom, has with him
37:56
and how he interacts, and he ends up coming to the side of
37:59
Imam Hussain. Had he been hard with him?
38:02
And you're you're you're going to hell and you're this and
38:05
you're that who are probably would not have moved over,
38:08
right? He shows how most of Allah
38:10
subhanahu wa'ta'ala. Yeah.
38:11
Indeed. Yeah, it's my employer, I've got
38:15
lost in it. What you're saying?
38:16
Well, I was the one back to our sure.
38:18
I understand besides was hitting me, like, I completely forgot.
38:22
I was gonna say, we're going to talk about Instagram.
38:25
Yes. Sorry.
38:26
Should just shows us that karbala has also, I think in
38:29
many of our communities off topic, but in karbala has become
38:32
just a an event to commemorate, not something to learn from,
38:36
right? If we took all of these events
38:38
is little, little kind of lessons that, you know, the 108
38:41
were showing us, you know, for those first seven days and then
38:45
the last three days before the day of Ashura and everything
38:47
that happened on our show today. If we looked at all of those, it
38:50
kind of as life learning lessons, I think we become
38:53
better human beings. Mmm.
38:55
But unfortunately, we just we come we sit for 10 days.
38:58
We beat our chest. We drink some tea, we Some
39:01
cookies and we leave and we don't reflect on the message
39:03
that that Imam Hussain Ali. Hassan left for us, right?
39:06
And in that in that Sega some absolutely notice.
39:10
This countless lessons from the story about the love saying it's
39:13
a lot of life's longing and you know, we can always look and
39:17
even though we've ended the season.
39:18
Now, in terms of the calendar, we should continue to research
39:21
and to learn to reflect on it. Like I said, yeah.
39:24
But I think a lot of people like like we've discussed earlier are
39:27
open to receiving this feedback could call it.
39:30
Yeah. Yeah, but it comes down to us,
39:32
like you said, said, and the way we say, as to whether we offend
39:36
them, so, for example, we pull up an Instagram.
39:38
If someone approaches you to give you their opinion on your
39:40
actions, do you think it's judgmental to which 86 percent
39:44
of people said? The feedback is always helpful
39:47
and they're willing for people to approach them.
39:49
So it goes to show that if the majority of our communities
39:51
willing for people to approach them.
39:53
Yeah, then that's amazing. Surely though, it's comes down
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to us to do it in the right way. I also want to say another
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another Another question, we put up saying to you, what does the
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term like could I have 15 min? No compulsion, in religion, a
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couple of answers. We've got someone said, it's
40:09
incorrect to force anyone to perform an action without them
40:12
being convinced to do it. Someone else said, it's not a
40:16
literal. Verse religion, has Halal and
40:18
Haram. Another interesting point,
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someone says it means to teach people when asked a question
40:25
about religion and each mentality, each mentally sane
40:29
adult is And each each adult is responsible for their own acts
40:34
and religion, okay, fair enough. Then there's a last point, which
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I wanted to maybe wrap up on. Maybe the question is to me,
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this verse means, I have more freedom than modern-day
40:44
Scholars. Would deem me to have now is an
40:46
interesting point, because, for example, one may go to the
40:50
modulus, they may attend lectures, they made, they made
40:53
listen on YouTube and so on, and to be honest here, they may be
40:56
listening to you now for example, and they may think,
40:59
well, this is all well and good but The Day The Scholar or the
41:02
share, or the marja says, I have to do X, Y and Z, but they think
41:07
I have a restricted amount of freedom in their bubble of
41:13
element and knowledge and Islamic scholarship.
41:15
When they don't know what I go through in day-to-day life in a
41:18
western society and so on and I have more freedom than they may
41:21
think. I do, how would you respond to
41:22
that kind of from a scholarly perspective and as an Islamic
41:25
educator one? Someone would say to you that I
41:27
have more freedom to practice my religion in the way I view.
41:30
View it in this scene. You have the way to practice the
41:32
freedom to practice it in the way you view it.
41:36
So I think maybe we are not understanding the the word
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Islam. Right Islam as as Imam Ali
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peace, building would say. It means Tesla means to submit
41:47
to submit to who to Allah or God, right?
41:50
But the question comes, or the what we have to ask ourselves is
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that am I worshipping or submitting to God as I want to
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worship and submit or how he expects me to submit to him.
42:00
You look at the problem with, with a beliefs, with the devil,
42:03
right? And najibullah.
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Imam Ali, peace. Bottom says that it believes
42:06
worship God for 6,000 years and then Imam.
42:09
Ali goes on to say that, I don't know if that is 6000 Earth years
42:13
or years in the Divine realm because there's no sun and moon
42:17
to quantify days weeks, months and years.
42:19
So, 6000 years is maybe trillions of years and our an
42:23
understanding, right? But the point being is that
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Imam, Ali then says, that it believes was told by Allah when
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he created Adam, he told all the angels and it bleeds was in that
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Gathering, so he was expected to fall.
42:35
Oh, the order. And I'll a said, you have to do
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the act of prostration towards Adam.
42:39
The Quran says that all of the angels and all of those in that
42:42
Gathering submitted ilahi beliefs, right, except iblees,
42:46
he became proud and arrogant and he was of the disbelievers.
42:49
Yeah, so the goal here is that I am not allowed to worship God,
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how I want to worship him, right?
42:56
I can't say that I'm going to pray like this, or I'm going to
43:00
eat this kind of food or I'm going to wear my hijab in a
43:03
certain way because I Of the freedom of the right to choose.
43:07
If I'm really a Muslim and submitting that I need to go
43:09
back to the Hadith, go back to the Quran, go back to see how
43:14
Allah wants me to worship him, right?
43:16
And if and then from there, then I basically, I need to follow
43:20
those rules. If I want to be within that
43:22
religion of Islam, then I have to submit to God as he wants me
43:25
to write. And but, you know, keep in mind
43:27
that we might not find a lot of the things of Islam in the
43:31
Quran. But this is I think one of the
43:33
things that many people bring up at About the hijab, right?
43:35
Is that? Well, there's no verse of the
43:37
Quran for the lotion, right? That's one doesn't talk about
43:40
her job. Yeah, and if you look at the
43:41
Quran, Allah uses the word hijab, if I'm not mistaken for
43:44
times, but it never means a piece of cloth, right.
43:47
It's a barrier between a man and woman that like a, like a cloth
43:50
partition. For example, Allah uses the word
43:53
hijab to mean a barrier in the Seas between water, right?
43:57
So there are other and you know and also the bottle Zach can I
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ask ya sorry, especially in the fashion examples.
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Yes. Is that a physical barrier
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between the Women which are lost but I was referring to all kind
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of like a social barrier of distance.
44:09
So I think there's one verse of the Quran, Allah speaking to the
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wives of the prophet. And he tells the the men of the
44:14
community that whenever you want to speak to the wives of the
44:17
messenger of Allah, asked, them from behind a hijab.
44:20
So, I'm like a physical curtain or, you know, a piece of cloth
44:23
that so you're not physically interacting with the wives of
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the messenger of Allah. All right, that's interesting.
44:28
So there are but you know, if you look at the other ayat of
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the Quran, which are in Surah Noor chapter 24.
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There are two verses about he Job.
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And you know it's Unique because Allah speaks to the man first
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and then he tells the women after that or you look in
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chapter 33. So Allah has odd.
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The verse of hijab is and that verse but we also have to
44:47
recognize that we need to go back to how the, how the out of
44:51
women at the time of the prophet of the women in general, were
44:54
were dressing at that time, right?
44:56
And we have to study that historical background.
44:59
And then read the ayat of the Quran to kind of complete the
45:02
picture of hijab, right? So, if somebody is, Watching or
45:05
listening today and saying, well, there's no direct
45:08
methodology of wearing hijab in the Quran there.
45:11
Correct to one extent, right? But there are ayat.
45:14
As I mentioned in chapter 24 and chapter 33, which explain it,
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but we always have to remember that religion of Islam is not.
45:21
We're not Quran Centric in the sense.
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That if it's not in the Quran, we're not going to do it.
45:25
I'll give you a very practical example, right today, across the
45:28
Muslim World in UK, and Canada, and the Middle East shiah, and
45:31
Sunni alike, when a Muslim passes away.
45:34
Way, we give them the closer, we wash the body, we do, the who
45:38
Newt, we wrapped the body in white cloth, we buried them
45:40
toward Mecca, that's not in the Quran.
45:43
There is not a single verse of the Quran, even bit, even giving
45:47
a basic guideline on how to bury a Muslim but yet we don't
45:50
cremate the bodies, why not, right?
45:53
There's no verse of the Quran that says when you died
45:55
yesterday, how you bury a Muslim, but because the prophet
45:58
taught us and the Companions and the ahlulbayt followed up those
46:02
teachings right now, we Every Muslim from, you know, from
46:06
China to Africa to the Middle East to Europe in the same
46:09
fashion. So hijab is similar right?
46:12
When a sister will say well there's no verse of the Quran
46:14
that tells me to cover a specific amount of my body.
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Yeah I can just cover however I want and you know and God will
46:21
judge me. Nobody should tell me what to
46:23
wear, then we have to ask that sister a look.
46:26
Okay fine, we agree, there's nothing in the Quran or very
46:29
maybe very generic versus if you want to use that term.
46:32
But what about the the son of the prophet?
46:34
What about, if you're, if you're a follower of the Arnold bait,
46:37
how did say the Zohar alayhis-salam were her job or
46:39
how did he say that Xena wear hijab, peace be upon her if
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they're not the paragons of piety and women that are Role
46:45
Models, right? We we, I mean, we will be
46:48
commemorating. The fact to me are very soon, we
46:50
cry over the tragedy, but let's look at how she lived her life,
46:54
right? And for those who follow others
46:57
streams and Islamic thought, well, you have the wives of the
46:59
Prophet, right? You have how they live their
47:01
lives. So, let's see how they cover
47:03
themselves, right? You have.
47:05
DJ peace be upon Him, ultimate meaning you have many other
47:08
respectable wives of the prophet in Medina.
47:10
Let's study their lives and study the lives of the women
47:12
around the prophet, the daughter, you know, the the
47:15
granddaughter of the Prophet, the wives of the prophet.
47:18
And let's see how they wore hijab.
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And if they were doing something wrong, then the messenger of
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Allah would be obligated to tell them, you're doing something
47:24
wrong. And if they're doing right, then
47:27
obviously that the prophet seeing that and commenting on,
47:30
it shows us that, that is the ideal.
47:32
He job for a woman. Now, obviously, Culture and
47:35
things. They know they'll be certain
47:36
nuances of hijab but on a whole we have we have the example of
47:41
the Prophet course. We have to recognize the fact
47:43
again that the Quran gives us the basic, the general
47:46
guidelines. And then we need to go back to
47:49
the Sunnah of the Prophet, right?
47:50
And obviously, the prophet was a man, so he's not going to be
47:52
wearing hijab. So, then we need to go to the
47:55
Quran and are the son of the messenger and see how the women
47:58
around him were hijab. Right.
48:00
The the wives of the Prophet, the daughter, the granddaughter
48:03
of the profit, although Zane. They hustle on was only three
48:06
four, five years old. But at least Fatima Zahra
48:09
alayhis-salam grown mature woman.
48:11
She was wearing hijab, right? How did she wear the hijab,
48:15
right? And and we have to look at what
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she was doing. Now, you know, again, we, you
48:19
know, we would have to say that her hijab would be the perfect
48:22
version of hijab. We could call it women of today
48:26
may not be expected and it may not be practical.
48:28
Let's say the word nickel but face Veil, right?
48:31
Some of them are Roger, actually demon Haram to her face veil in
48:33
the West. Because it is it, your you're
48:37
showing a side, you know, which shouldn't be there.
48:39
Like, you know, that's it's clothing, which is kind of
48:42
considered as being out of the norm for Society of Western
48:45
Society, right? But generally speaking we have
48:48
the general rules of a hijab that women need, you know,
48:50
should look at from the from the daughter of the Prophet from the
48:52
wives and recognize that that is the ideal of hijab, right again.
48:57
And I'm not gonna, you know, point fingers at a sister if
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she's not wearing it because again, it is a struggle as men.
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We have no idea what it It is like to be that kind of singled
49:06
out in society, right? We are beard.
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Does it signify anything? Right brown people have beards
49:13
white. People have beards, right?
49:15
We can change our names but when a Muslim woman wears the hijab,
49:18
obviously, she becomes a fumble identifiable and many times,
49:22
unfortunately may be a target for four people, right?
49:26
So I'm not saying that women, you know, that they remove the
49:29
hijab, right? But it will take the.
49:31
I mean, I think we need to have an educational process, really?
49:34
Revamp to understand why the hijab is there show.
49:38
The verses of the Quran show, the Hadith, the Practical
49:40
example. And I think we have to develop
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it right as a community and I think at the same time as we
49:46
talked about in the beginning, that we can't be judgmental with
49:48
one another. Yeah, we need to recognize that
49:50
we're all on that path towards Islam towards true submission,
49:54
to Allah but we're all traveling at a different pace and we you
49:59
know and if we kind of are too abrupt or harsh with somebody on
50:04
that, We might kind of divert them completely away from God,
50:08
right? And we don't want to do that.
50:09
We don't want to be responsible, at least.
50:11
I don't want to be responsible for somebody who was trying to
50:14
travel a path towards Allah to completely make them diverted
50:18
and and they hate God or they hate people of religion or they
50:21
hate the prophet or Yahoo debate.
50:23
And we see that happening, right?
50:25
People are burning the Koran they're using vulgarities
50:28
against the prophet in the National debate.
50:30
Over, you know, what's happening in the world today.
50:33
And maybe it's because they were just given a very bad taste of
50:35
Islam by people who are very condescending and very rude in
50:38
their, in their, you know, trying to get them to follow or
50:41
to teach in the religion. Sure, sure.
50:44
Sure. Also.
50:45
It's just, I mean, so much to think about, and so much to
50:48
digest, and I just want to make it clear and absolutely
50:51
emphasize to the viewers or home that we are discussing this
50:55
particular point. I think, as a back on the back
50:58
of obviously, recent conversations, both in the news
51:01
and the media around the world and online, of course.
51:03
And we, as As three males discussing, this are purely
51:08
analyzing it from an external perspective like this year.
51:10
So there's well, we have no idea what sort of efforts and hard
51:14
work. All of our sisters around the
51:16
world are putting in. And we know, of course you have
51:19
family members, we have mothers and sisters and daughters and so
51:21
on. So we understand of course from
51:23
a male's perspective how hard it is, you know, we cannot do
51:27
anything but credit you for your efforts and shallow.
51:29
We only pray that I'm a lost man.
51:31
Tyler makes it easier for you and you know especially with all
51:34
all of the noise and distraction and pressure around you keep
51:38
going. And of course from from our
51:41
perspective as men as hopefully lines for our for our community,
51:45
we should be out there defending you in any way we can but it's a
51:49
very important discussion to have a everyone at home.
51:51
Just please please engage in this discussion put your
51:54
comments Down Below on YouTube. Let us know what you think, how
51:58
we can discuss this topic specifically on her job but also
52:01
on the wider conversation of compulsion, in religion and The
52:05
idea of judging each other and hopefully to try and find a
52:07
solution said any last comments before we wrap up.
52:10
Truly only Allah can judge us. That's all I can say sent.
52:14
Yeah, I know many people always use the same.
52:16
Only Allah can judge me. There is some truth behind it.
52:19
There is yeah. Chef.
52:20
Anything last to add, before we wrap up, you know, just
52:25
recognize that life is a struggle life is difficult, and
52:30
all of our struggles will come in different levels, different
52:33
different times in our life. Life.
52:35
And I would say, just always keep God in the Forefront,
52:38
right? God told us in the Quran so many
52:41
times. They're being a Believer will
52:42
never be easy. Yeah.
52:43
At the time of the previous prophets you know it was a
52:46
challenge at the time of the last prophet is a challenge at
52:48
the time of the last Imam is going to be even a greater
52:51
challenge. So just keep our head up, right?
52:54
Keep our focus on God, keep our, you know, eyes on the prize, and
52:58
continue to just ask God for help right to guide us and keep
53:02
us, you know, we say and then I set out to almost of game, you
53:04
know. Itís and keep us on that
53:06
straight path. And you know, when people are
53:07
slipping and and situation is in society, become turbulent, we
53:12
just have to ask God for our feet to be firm, right?
53:15
And to be able to stay on the path of Islam, as taught by the
53:18
prophet and the eyelid bait. Peace, be upon all of them.
53:21
Awesome, Chef. It's been an absolute pleasure.
53:24
Having thank you, very great to be here.
53:25
It's been great to be here today.
53:27
And will we be seeing you again, is the main question.
53:32
I don't know when off tomorrow will be in Canada, but
53:34
Initially, we'll be in the UK soon.
53:36
After fragile new time difference will be here again
53:43
and we hope to try to discuss, you know, not only problems and
53:50
challenges but, you know, achievements as a community that
53:52
we've made and how we can keep the momentum rolling as a
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54:03
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54:39
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Thank you as always for tuning in.
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