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Reali-TEA Crime Stories: Jersey Justice - The Manzo Case · Reality with The King

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Speaker 4: topic crime stories involving all of your favorite reality TV personalities.
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Speaker 1: And if today's story taught us anything, child, is that
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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Reality Crime Stories, Courney Parker and
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Speaker 1: I are going to dive into the Tommy Manzo Paine
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Speaker 1: as it relates to his ex wife, Dina Manzo and
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Speaker 1: why he was found guilty and have to serve subven
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Speaker 1: years in prison, as federal prosecutors say that Tommy hired
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Speaker 1: a mind family to carry out a violent home invasion
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Speaker 1: and assault on Dina and her now husband David. So, Courtney,
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Speaker 1: you have a friend who's also a judge that is
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Speaker 1: going to help us break down this particular case.
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Speaker 4: Tearmy Gundy is a personal friend of mine. She is
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Speaker 4: an author, she is a sitting judge in Atlanta, and
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Speaker 4: just an overall good friend of mine and just an
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Speaker 4: insightful person as we break down these reality crime stories.
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Speaker 2: All right, well let's break it the High Judge.
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Speaker 3: How are you, hey, Carlow, Hey, Courtney, Hey, how are
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Speaker 3: you guys? We are doing wonderful. Are you all ready
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Speaker 3: to talk about mob ties and Jersey lives?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we absolutely have to, so listen. Full disclosure, I
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Speaker 1: was the producer on the first two seasons of The
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Speaker 1: Real House Washing New Jersey. My talent that I was
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Speaker 1: responsible for was Teresa Judais and Dina Manzo, who was
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Speaker 1: Manziel at the time she was married to Tommy.
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Speaker 2: Which the interesting thing about all of this.
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Speaker 1: Is we had two women who are sisters, Dina and Caroline,
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Speaker 1: that were married to brothers.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so two sisters.
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Speaker 1: I mean a set of sisters married to a set
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Speaker 1: of brothers, which is like so unheard of.
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Speaker 2: So Tommy Manzel is the brother.
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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, exactly exactly, that's what it's given.
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Speaker 2: What's interesting. What's what's interesting is Tommy Manzel never signed.
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Speaker 5: A release to appear on the show, which is unheard
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Speaker 5: in the Housewives, I guys, and this is season one
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Speaker 5: of the Real Housewives on New Jersey that debut in
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Speaker 5: two thousand and nine.
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Speaker 1: I would be around him sometimes he avoided the cameras.
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Speaker 1: We will be at their home, he will avoid the home.
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Speaker 1: The following season, Dina decided to walk away from the show,
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Speaker 1: and I believe during that time too, is when she
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Speaker 1: was on the verge of divorcing Tommy. I had a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a front row seat into all of this.
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Speaker 3: I'll know about his case. I'm sure it makes more
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Speaker 3: sense to you why he refused to sign the release,
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Speaker 3: why he avoided the cameras.
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Speaker 1: Well, now it's starting to make sense. So Judge, I
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Speaker 1: do have this question for you. Can you explain to
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Speaker 1: us exactly what occurred, because Tommy Manzeau hired mob people
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Speaker 1: to attack his ex wife her then boyfriend.
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Speaker 2: For what though?
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Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing, Like, what was the
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Speaker 1: reason why he decided to do this.
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Speaker 3: Well, we can't speak for the state of mind of him,
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Speaker 3: of course, right, but what we can talk about is
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Speaker 3: what was in the court documents, correct, And so what
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Speaker 3: was in the documents is that he hired a soldier
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Speaker 3: from the Lukesey family. And everybody, if you've ever watched
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Speaker 3: any Mob movies, have heard of the Lucasey family. You know,
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Speaker 3: there's a family reference to him and the Godfather and
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Speaker 3: good Fellows and even the Godfather of Harlem. Now, so
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Speaker 3: this name is very popular. They are one of the
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Speaker 3: five families in the Mob. So if you have heard
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Speaker 3: of them, then you know exactly what we are dealing with.
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Speaker 3: And he hired one of their soldiers basically to intimidate
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Speaker 3: this woman. And all I can, again from the documents
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Speaker 3: tell is that he was trying to assert some fear
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Speaker 3: and intimidation against her. But he is not technically a
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Speaker 3: part of the mob. And I think that is important
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Speaker 3: to know. Even though he was avoiding the cameras, even
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Speaker 3: though he refused to sign the release, he's not a
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Speaker 3: member of the Lucasey family. He hired a Lucas member
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Speaker 3: soldier and in exchange for this, he catered a wedding
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Speaker 3: for him. M yes, yes, what.
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Speaker 2: Not to stop you just here and he so that
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Speaker 2: this is the gas It's a gag. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So my my rainows are listening are Bravo aholics, Bravo
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Speaker 1: you know fanatics as well. So the Brownstone is the
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Speaker 1: Mansoh family catering facility Rangejos remember.
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Speaker 3: Yoh wow. So he's used the family business to contract
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Speaker 3: this violence against her, right right. That is how we
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Speaker 3: got to our mob ties got it because this is
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Speaker 3: why the federal government even if and you have to understand,
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Speaker 3: and let's let's clear this up. Even though we're talking
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Speaker 3: about the housewives, you're not on social media, you are
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Speaker 3: not in America, and you haven't heard of the record
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Speaker 3: heering case against Sean Puffy Combe's or Jesse Young Thug Williams.
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Speaker 3: So many young people don't realize that racketeering. They have
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Speaker 3: associated that with Young Thug and Sean Tolms. But racketeering
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Speaker 3: originated with the mafia. It was originally actually passed so
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Speaker 3: that they could get and prosecute members of the mob. Wow,
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Speaker 3: which is how they got to the conspiracy and anything
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Speaker 3: that you do in the act of a criminal act.
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Speaker 3: That's because it was ever think that catering a waging
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Speaker 3: is criminal, right, But if just your payment to a
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Speaker 3: my soldier, now it's a part of the criminal conspiracy.
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Speaker 3: Got it?
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Speaker 4: Let me ask a question because this is sounding like
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Speaker 4: one of my favorite episodes of the Sopranos.
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Speaker 3: Shout out to the Sopranos.
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Speaker 4: But when we were going through the exactly when we
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Speaker 4: were going through the charges, I know, even as we
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Speaker 4: prepared for this, you made a correction that a lot
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Speaker 4: is a lot of people are reporting wrong. It wasn't
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Speaker 4: The indictment didn't come with a clear agreement. Can you
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Speaker 4: speak to us a little bit about the difference between
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Speaker 4: a plea agreement and being found guilty or pleading guilty.
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Speaker 4: Can you speak to us a little bit about so
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Speaker 4: that way we have a clearer understanding going into some
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Speaker 4: of the questions that the rain drops in our audience.
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Speaker 3: Might even have yes, yes, So I heard Carlows when
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Speaker 3: he spoke and introduced the case. He said he took
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Speaker 3: a prele deal. As all pleadale is when the defendants
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Speaker 3: and the prosecutor get together and they come up with
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Speaker 3: an agreement and say, hey, we have decided if you
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Speaker 3: enter into a plea of guilty, then this will be
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Speaker 3: your sentence. That's not what happened in this case. In
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Speaker 3: this case, he had a two week track. He went
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Speaker 3: before a jury and they found him guilty. Okay, yes,
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Speaker 3: which is really And I want to make this note
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Speaker 3: because I think it's important when we're educating about the
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Speaker 3: legal system. This is the Justice Department, this is federal law,
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Speaker 3: and I want people to hear me and be clear
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Speaker 3: the federal law in trials have a greater than ninety
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Speaker 3: nine percent success rate. Wow, that means that less than
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Speaker 3: one percent are quitted. But I think what happened in
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Speaker 3: this case again is because he is not an actual
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Speaker 3: member of the mob. He probably felt like, there's no
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Speaker 3: way I can be convicted a rica because I am
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Speaker 3: not a member of the mob of the mob. But
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Speaker 3: the prosecutors were clear in this case. They wanted to
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Speaker 3: make sure that the message went to the mob and
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Speaker 3: anyone who was going to conspile with them that if
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Speaker 3: you get in bed with the mob, rather you are
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Speaker 3: a member of the mob for not if there's a
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Speaker 3: criminal activity, you will be held accountable for a conspiracy
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Speaker 3: under the Rico Act, under the Vicar Act.
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Speaker 1: So I have a question for you, because I never
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Speaker 1: watched the Sopranos. I I know, judge me later, I know,
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Speaker 1: just mey later, Rain Josh, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: You know you watch the Wire. Oh, okay, that is
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Speaker 3: a problem.
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Speaker 2: No, guess what I have watched now.
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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with Housewives of New Jersey, the Power Universe,
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Speaker 1: on Stars.
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Speaker 3: It's not the same, it's not the same.
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Speaker 4: Disrespectful to them.
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Speaker 2: I don't judge. I'm sorry, don't book my black bart.
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Speaker 3: But what I will say, don't judge me.
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Speaker 4: But you're being judged by the judge.
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Speaker 3: And I'm the jury. So no, okay, but we'll deal
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Speaker 3: with that.
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Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, Okay, we'll deal with that later.
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Speaker 2: You're right, But I do have a question. Can you
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Speaker 2: explain to.
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Speaker 1: Those who have never heard, uh is the lu Casey family?
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Speaker 2: Is that how you pronounce the name family?
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Speaker 3: It's lue Casey.
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Speaker 1: Ok.
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Speaker 2: Explain to us who the lu Casey family is.
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Speaker 3: So the Luca case family is one of the five
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Speaker 3: families of the mafia. So there are five families that
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Speaker 3: basically early nineteen hundreds have branded all of organized crime,
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Speaker 3: and the Luksey family is one of those five families.
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Speaker 3: And they have had their hands in almost any illegal
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Speaker 3: activity and corruption that you can think of, from unions
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Speaker 3: to drugs to trafficking, bribes and a host of other
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Speaker 3: heinous thinks. So this is a serious family that he
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Speaker 3: actually got in bed with. And I'm pretty sure that
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Speaker 3: he was very aware of who he was getting in
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Speaker 3: bed with. It's the reason he went to them. He
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Speaker 3: wanted to send a message to that woman to say,
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Speaker 3: I am going to just let you move on. You're
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Speaker 3: going to have to deal with me because I have
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Speaker 3: the mob behind me, and that sends a totally different message.
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Speaker 3: But the government basically said, that's fine. You think that
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Speaker 3: you're going to go to family court, but no, you're
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Speaker 3: gonna have to come see the Justice Department. We're going
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Speaker 3: to prosecute you whether you are a member of a
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Speaker 3: mob family or not. And that ended up with him
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Speaker 3: during several years. And I mean, you said you work
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Speaker 3: with them for two years. You're pretty familiar with him.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to, you know, talk about his exact age,
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Speaker 3: but he's over fifty years oh, you know, so at
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Speaker 3: fifty years old, you have more years behind you than
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Speaker 3: in front of you. And the way that we always
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Speaker 3: said that when I was growing up is seven years
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Speaker 3: may not seem like a long time to you, especially
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Speaker 3: for the threat and the violence against her, But at
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Speaker 3: fifty plus and you miss seven Christmases, think about that,
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Speaker 3: that's a long time.
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Speaker 4: One of the things that has been plaguing social media
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Speaker 4: right now is the strain between Dina and Caroline because
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Speaker 4: Caroline allegedly wrote a letter, a character letter on behalf
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Speaker 4: of her then brother in law that went against her
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Speaker 4: own sister, Dina, What does that?
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Speaker 3: What does that say? In your opinions? Guys?
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Speaker 4: What does that say when your own sister kind of
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Speaker 4: goes against in a in a universe where family is everything,
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Speaker 4: particularly Italian families are almost as close, if not closer
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Speaker 4: uh than us in Black families. There is a code
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Speaker 4: that we live by that family is everything. So when
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Speaker 4: your own blood sister goes against and writes a character
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Speaker 4: letter to speak to the man that set up a
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Speaker 4: violent crime against you and an assault. What do you guys,
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Speaker 4: how do you guys feel about that? Because that's something
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Speaker 4: that the rain drops, that's something that our audience has
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Speaker 4: been posing with the strain between Dina and her sister Caroline.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I can, I can talk about these sort of
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Speaker 1: so related issues they've had and and Judge feel free
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Speaker 1: to talk about anything from the factual standpoint, especially what
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Speaker 1: us listed in the court documents. What I will say
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Speaker 1: is this, when we only season one of the Real
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Speaker 1: House Washing New Jersey, Like I said, it was a
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Speaker 1: set of sisters married to a set of brothers, Caroline
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Speaker 1: and Dina have I believe it's nine siblings total, and
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Speaker 1: I'm a product of ten siblings. And what I will
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Speaker 1: say is you grow up being the best of friends,
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Speaker 1: and you grew up being close. We did not see
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Speaker 1: any friction between Carolina and Dina when we filmed season one.
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Speaker 1: The infamous scene of season one, the finale where Teresa
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Speaker 1: July splipped the table. What happened prior to that table flipped,
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Speaker 1: maybe thirty minutes before, was when Danielle Style accused Dina
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Speaker 1: of showing this book that had all of Danielle's past
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Speaker 1: in it, Caroline said, it wasn't my sister, Dina, it
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Speaker 1: was me. We're thickest bees when it comes to this family, right,
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Speaker 1: So what happened after that? At the reunion of that
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Speaker 1: same season, Caroline pride as she was talking compassionately, angrily
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Speaker 1: to Danielle and says something along the lines of you
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Speaker 1: know what you did, You know what you did?
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Speaker 2: You know what you did.
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Speaker 1: Rumors world that Caroline was intimating something in regards to
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Speaker 1: the biological father of Dina's daughter Lexi, and Dina, who's
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Speaker 1: a very private person, allegedly did not want that out.
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Speaker 1: When we started season two of The Real House Spots
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Speaker 1: New Jersey, these two sisters were not close by any
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Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. Dina filmed for a week and
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Speaker 1: quit the show. She came in the show telling the producers,
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Speaker 1: I will tell my own story. I'm telling you this
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Speaker 1: story in a week two Max, but I'm out of here.
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Speaker 1: They have not spoken in years, Dina Caroline. They do
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Speaker 1: not speak. Their children do not talk. The cousins do
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Speaker 1: not speak. Dina does not live in Jersey anymore. I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to disclose her location.
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Speaker 2: She is.
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Speaker 1: She has decided for herself. These are her words, not mine,
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Speaker 1: to personally ostracize herself from Caroline's life and some of
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Speaker 1: his siblings, not all, And she listened to a whole
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Speaker 1: different location. It was a surprise to the Bravo audience that, yes,
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Speaker 1: as we know with siblings, you go through your issues.
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Speaker 1: It was a surprise to the audience that Caroline. But
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Speaker 1: remember Caroline's husband is Tommy. Yes, is the brother of
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Speaker 1: Tommy Manzo. And I'm not here to get into the
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Speaker 1: family drama. I can only assume that when you are
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Speaker 1: living with your husband and this is your family and
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Speaker 1: his brother is on trial for at this time allegedly
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Speaker 1: at the time write the letter, it was alleged allegedly
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Speaker 1: doing this to your sister her, but you're not speaking
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Speaker 1: to I don't know what the reason was, but Caroline
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Speaker 1: did say in the letter she did describe Tommy Manziel
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Speaker 1: as a kind hearted and caring person. Dina's Manzo's daughter, Lexi,
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Speaker 1: expressed profound betrayal and confusion, stating that she could not
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Speaker 1: understand how her aunt would support the man who tormented
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Speaker 1: her mother. Caroline's son Albi Manzell defended his mother's actions
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Speaker 1: on his podcast emphasizing that she made an unpopular choice
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Speaker 1: based on her relationship.
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Speaker 2: With Tommy and believed that he was not a threat.
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Speaker 3: I think that we also have to look at the
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Speaker 3: psychological kna. There's no way that we can discuss the
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Speaker 3: family of two brothers married to two sisters without bringing
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Speaker 3: in and overlooking the mob times. We have no idea
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Speaker 3: what Caroline and her husband the pressure that they may
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Speaker 3: have been under, because you're not just taking on Tommy,
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Speaker 3: You're taking on the new Hazy family. And I think
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Speaker 3: that that is nothing that could be overlooked. Likely. I
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Speaker 3: am not defending her behaviors. Those could have truly been
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Speaker 3: how she felt and her sentiment towards her brother in law.
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Speaker 3: But you also have to take into a cow the
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Speaker 3: pressure mounting against the entire family family. Right, we keep
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Speaker 3: using this word family. You have the biological family of
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Speaker 3: the two brothers and the two sisters, but you have
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Speaker 3: this mob family, right that has and you know, we
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Speaker 3: have this culture now where they have made snitching, which
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Speaker 3: don't get me started. I'm a judge. I believe that
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Speaker 3: telling the truth is a part of what makes the
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Speaker 3: legal system phenomenal and protects victims. But we're talking about
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Speaker 3: the culture of a crime family, and so I think
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Speaker 3: that you can't have that conversation without being fair if
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Speaker 3: you're not mentioning that there is a crime family in
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Speaker 3: the background that could have been imposing pressure.
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Speaker 1: So my question for you is this, though, judge, if
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Speaker 1: the luc case family has some sort of involvement, did
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Speaker 1: they Did somebody from the family get convicted, get arrested?
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Speaker 1: Any the people who elect the people who I'm sorry,
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Speaker 1: did the people who violently beat up Dina and.
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Speaker 2: Her now husband? Are they in jail? Were arrest made?
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Speaker 2: Are the Lucasey family members in jail? What's going on there?
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Speaker 3: So he was a luke Casey family soldier and the
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Speaker 3: lucase family was not brought into this, which is again
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Speaker 3: why I brought that up when we were talking about Caroline.
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Speaker 3: The lu Casey family is going to probably do everything
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Speaker 3: that they can to make sure that they were not involved.
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Speaker 3: They wanted to make this a domestic issue versus a
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Speaker 3: rico issue. And so the actual we will call him
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Speaker 3: the trigger man, the man who actually committed the act
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Speaker 3: of the assault, was also convicted, but it had nothing
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Speaker 3: to do with the lucase family where they actually had
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Speaker 3: anything to do with it, so the two people who
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Speaker 3: were actually involved in it. And again I go back
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Speaker 3: to I think that's why Tommy was really taking this
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Speaker 3: to trial because a lot of people don't fight the
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Speaker 3: Justice Department, not with the ninety nine percent win ray,
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Speaker 3: because if the Justice Department goes to trial, they are
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Speaker 3: pretty certain of a conviction. But I think that he
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Speaker 3: was really going to hold on to the fact that
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Speaker 3: he was not a mob member, but again, he paid
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Speaker 3: a mob member for the act. This was very dangerous
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Speaker 3: for everybody involved, right.
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Speaker 4: Do you think that's also why Dina has been responding
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Speaker 4: the way that she has, Like even with the conviction,
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Speaker 4: when you see and you hear that Teresa reached out
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Speaker 4: and said justice was served and she just hearted it
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Speaker 4: like she's been really quiet. Is it because do we
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Speaker 4: assume it's because she just does not want any more smoke,
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Speaker 4: she understands the gravity of the family that did these
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Speaker 4: violent acts. Or is she just in a position now
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Speaker 4: that she just kind of wants to move on with
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Speaker 4: her life. No matter what, I believe it's probably all
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Speaker 4: of it, okay, because you do not go through a
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Speaker 4: violent act without trauma, right, and as a victim, all
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Speaker 4: you want to do is put your life together and
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Speaker 4: move past that.
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Speaker 3: But you also made decisions where you do not put
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Speaker 3: yourself in that same position again. And so I believe
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Speaker 3: that Dina has probably changed the way that she moves
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Speaker 3: because she wants a different outcome. She never wants to
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Speaker 3: put herself in that predicament again. She has probably put
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Speaker 3: up safeguards to try and avoid that at all costs.
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Speaker 3: I also think that she definitely has a keen awareness
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Speaker 3: of what it means to be involved with a mob
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Speaker 3: family and the reach of a mob family. And again,
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Speaker 3: my family have long memories, and so Dina is probably
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Speaker 3: stepping very likely with that. And who could blame her.
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Speaker 1: Right saying yeah, because listen, I work with Dina. Dina
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Speaker 1: is a beautiful, sweet woman. She's not confrontational, She's very
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Speaker 1: fragile in nature. She is the youngest child out of
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Speaker 1: nine siblings, the youngest, okay. She is extremely close to
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Speaker 1: her mother, both her parents, and she is just somebody
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Speaker 1: who again on the show, like she she always tried
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Speaker 1: to avoid the drama. I mean, she can read you back,
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Speaker 1: you know, but if pope, she ain't no pump.
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Speaker 3: But you gotta be able to hold your own.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and she's she's she's and funny and she stands
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Speaker 1: her ground.
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Speaker 2: But it breaks my heart to know how viciously she
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Speaker 2: was attacked.
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Speaker 1: And the idea of you walking to your home with
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Speaker 1: your again your your then boyfriend and it's dark and
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Speaker 1: you get attacked, and it's hard to talk about, but
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Speaker 1: the fact that this woman wasn't just tied up. They
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Speaker 1: viciously attacked, like violently, viciously attacked a woman.
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Speaker 2: What I do want to ask you, judge, is this
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Speaker 2: what evidence did.
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Speaker 1: The police department, the government fined to trace this back
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Speaker 1: to Tommy Manzau and then obviously what now has led
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Speaker 1: to his conviction.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know the specifics of the case. From
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Speaker 3: that detail, I do that the guy who actually committed
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Speaker 3: the assault was connected to him and actually found guilty,
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Speaker 3: and so what I would have to presume is that
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Speaker 3: there was evidence that led back to him, especially because
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Speaker 3: the family business was used for the payment payment. Remember
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Speaker 3: he catered a wedding for him after this vicious attack.
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Speaker 3: And so the federal government is very good at paper trails,
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Speaker 3: which is why they have such a huge success rate,
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Speaker 3: because they are going to always got their eyes and
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Speaker 3: cross their teeths. So I am sure that they followed
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Speaker 3: the money, they followed the wedding, they followed the payment
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Speaker 3: of this guy, because again, Dina is a reality huge
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Speaker 3: TV star. Yeah, and we would like to believe that
28:59
Speaker 3: everyone gets the exact same amount of coverage, right, But
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Speaker 3: we are also smart enough to know that there are
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Speaker 3: certain people who can bring more light on issues and
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Speaker 3: an attack against a woman who has beloved in her
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Speaker 3: community and a TV star is going to push answers
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Speaker 3: in a different way, right. And so I believe that
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Speaker 3: the investigation was very robust in finding the evidence that
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Speaker 3: it needed against the actual guy who committed the assault,
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Speaker 3: and once they identified him, it let him back led
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Speaker 3: them back to Timmy Right.
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Speaker 4: Let me ask one final question, if I might, do
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Speaker 4: we think seven years is enough considering the crime?
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Speaker 3: Do we feel like seven years.
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Speaker 4: Was a slap on the wrist or do we feel
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Speaker 4: like it's an adequate sentence for the crime that was committed.
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Speaker 3: Well, the one thing I think it's important to note
30:06
Speaker 3: also is that with federal sentencing, there are guidelines that
30:11
Speaker 3: must be followed, and I think a lot of times
30:13
Speaker 3: people don't understand that. And so the federal guidelines tell
30:17
Speaker 3: you what the sentencing will be based on your criminal history,
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Speaker 3: based on the level of offense, and based on what
30:27
Speaker 3: you were actually convicted of. So I think that's important
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Speaker 3: for everybody to know. But I also think that as
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Speaker 3: someone who deals with this daily, seven days in jail
30:43
Speaker 3: is a long time. Got Losing your freedom for any
30:47
Speaker 3: amount of time is a long time. And I don't
30:52
Speaker 3: want to get too sentimental, but I want you to
30:54
Speaker 3: really understand that people spend the weekend in jail. They
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Speaker 3: lose their jobs, which leads to them losing their homes,
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Speaker 3: which leads to them losing custody of their children. That's
31:08
Speaker 3: just a weekend. Now we're talking about seven years. Seven years.
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to speak because I'm going to trust
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Speaker 3: that the judge in this case followed the federal citizen guidelines.
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Speaker 3: But what I am going to tell you is that's
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Speaker 3: not a slap on the wrist. That that is real time. Wow.
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Speaker 1: Well, judge, thank you so much for taking time out
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Speaker 1: to really talk to us about this case in a
31:43
Speaker 1: very captivated way, because Wow, the information that you provided
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Speaker 1: to us is so paramount and the bigger grand scheme
31:53
Speaker 1: of things, because again, I know these people. I'm away
32:01
Speaker 1: at what occurred. I wasn't fully privy to a lot
32:05
Speaker 1: of the particulars of this case, Dina, Like I said.
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Speaker 3: To you for humanizing this, because you know that you
32:15
Speaker 3: were able to bring that element of intimacy and humanization
32:21
Speaker 3: to them to make this real, because sometimes people look
32:24
Speaker 3: at TV personalities and don't believe they're real people. So
32:28
Speaker 3: kudos to you in Courtney for bringing light to this
32:32
Speaker 3: to make sure people understand this was a real crime
32:36
Speaker 3: and it was real trauma that forever changed her life,
32:41
Speaker 3: and he and his right and.
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Speaker 2: His Yeah, so no, so thank you so much.
32:48
Speaker 1: And listen, I know you're busy doing the Lord's work,
32:53
Speaker 1: but I would love to invite you back for a
32:58
Speaker 1: future episode because as you are excellent and again as
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Speaker 1: a TV producer, you know, I think you have a
33:08
Speaker 1: life from the camera just saying.
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Speaker 3: Well, I I believe the community. It is a part,
33:16
Speaker 3: as you say, of my Lord's work. I've wanted to
33:18
Speaker 3: be a judge since I was nine years old, and
33:21
Speaker 3: I always go whenever anybody invites me to talk about
33:26
Speaker 3: this because I think that a huge part of the
33:29
Speaker 3: justice system is education, and the more we educate people
33:33
Speaker 3: about their rights about how the system works, the better
33:37
Speaker 3: it works. So I cannot thank you enough. My friend
33:41
Speaker 3: Courtney of course always thinks of me, but I appreciate
33:45
Speaker 3: you and your comments and having me.
33:48
Speaker 4: Thank you, and we're still going to judge, good judge
33:54
Speaker 4: until he watches the Sopranos and.
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Speaker 3: The Wire say the wire first. There we go, There
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Speaker 3: you go.
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Speaker 2: I got my marching artist. Thank you, ladies so much.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you and rang Jos will see you in
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