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Ep. 707: MeatEater Radio Live! Mountain Lions, Hot Gear Tips, and Freaky Sheds · The MeatEater Podcast

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Smell us.
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  Speaker 2: Now, lady, welcome to Meet Eater Trivia, the Metater Podcast.
• 0:26
  Speaker 2: Welcome to me Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: That's one pm for our friends in Kalamazoo, Michigan, on
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  Speaker 2: Thursday May twenty second, exactly one week before my forty
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: seventh birthday. Okay, yeah, I'm fresh out of a yoga studio.
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  Speaker 2: But right now we're live for me Eater World headquarters
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  Speaker 2: in Bozeman. I'm your host, Yanisma tell Us, and today
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: I'm joined by Brody Henderson and Corey Caulkins. On today's show,
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: we're gonna chat mountain lions with my friend Mart George.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: We're trying a new segment called gear Talk, where we
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: talk about equipment we love. We'll pause for listener feedback,
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: so get those questions coming in the chat. We each
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: brought in a special item that will share and show
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: and tell. We might have a conversation with fishing guy
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  Speaker 2: Josh Miller and his Lucky Fishing Charm and Turkey co
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: Captain Ryder. I don't know if I pronounced that right.
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: It's got kind of a funny spelling. We'll discuss haircuts
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  Speaker 2: as well, but first we're going to tell hunting stories.
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  Speaker 2: Corey Brody. Great to see you, fellas. Corey, do you
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: smell that updog?
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  Speaker 3: You know we had about a dozen hot dogs in
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  Speaker 3: here last week? Is that the updog you're referring to?
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  Speaker 2: What's up dog? Is the answer to my question?
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  Speaker 3: Oh what's up dog?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, not much.
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  Speaker 2: Gay For those of you listening in at home, These
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: boys thought that joke would really land with you guys,
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  Speaker 2: So I hope you're all giggling.
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  Speaker 4: That wasn't my joke. That was Corey's joke.
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  Speaker 3: Ori and Phil, Hey, this is your script. Just remember that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm owning it. I'm gonna own it. It does smell.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not smelling it, but you guys are saying you
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  Speaker 2: smell hot dogs because a week ago Randall was in
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  Speaker 2: here pounding hot dogs. Did anybody else have any I
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: had one?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Phil had one. I think Lake and Tony Peterson
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  Speaker 3: had one. It was dog week, so we celebrated four
• 2:23
  Speaker 3: legged dogs and the food variety hot dogs, the Wiener dog.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of sorry I missed out on that.
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  Speaker 3: You should have been here. Yeah, we had some steamed
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  Speaker 3: buns and some hot mustard.
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  Speaker 2: Super tasty hot mustard as in spicy or warmed up.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it was warmed up when you put it on
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  Speaker 3: the hot dog.
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  Speaker 4: I like sweet hot mustard.
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: Oh, I like the spicy brown.
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  Speaker 2: We recently at Turkey Camp had Olympia provisions frankfurter. Those jokers.
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. I didn't measure them, but they're over
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: a foot long. It says right on the package. More
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: meat than your bunk can handle.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, So did you double bottom?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: I cut him in half and went went to two
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  Speaker 2: francs in one.
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  Speaker 4: Bun, cook him on sticks or on a stove, a stove.
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  Speaker 2: Top yep, yep. Just made it quick and easy and
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  Speaker 2: got everybody fed. But yeah, extremely tasty frankfurt. They also
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  Speaker 2: make this sausage become fond of. It's a I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: pretty plain Jane pork sausage, but it stuff. It's got
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  Speaker 2: some chunks of Swiss cheese in it, and then smoked
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  Speaker 2: just a little bit delicious. Wow. So kind of Olympia prevision.
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  Speaker 2: Like a cheddar brought, or like a cheddar brought but
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: upscale up high end, yes, no high tempt cheese in there, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, where can you find these?
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  Speaker 2: It's legit. I believe you can get them. I know
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  Speaker 2: for sure because the owner was telling me that he
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: recently got into Whole Foods, which he was very happy about.
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  Speaker 2: But I think you can get him all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, Olympia Provisions. Check it out. Yeah, it's Memorial weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Go get your hot Oh yeah, there you go. You
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  Speaker 2: want to try something different than just the old Oscar
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  Speaker 2: Meyer hunt stories. Who wants to go first?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you're you're up first. It looks like, oh well,
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  Speaker 4: unless you want to be like the big Finally, I'm happy.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I got it. I got a couple of dandies.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with this one. Have you guys ever
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: heard Steven Ranella blow on a crow call?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's not I know where you're going with this.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he's trying to sound like a crow
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  Speaker 4: He's just trying to make a bunch of like irritating noise.
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  Speaker 2: You're one hundred percent right. I know this as well.
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  Speaker 2: I've always been like right next to him, right when
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  Speaker 2: he blows his loud one and then he goes I
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  Speaker 2: know it doesn't sound like a crow call, but it
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  Speaker 2: gets results, you know, And I'm like okay, cool, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that works. Okay, this is what happened this weekend though.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe and my youngest are out, get on a bird
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  Speaker 2: in the roost, aren't quite in the right spot, have
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  Speaker 2: a hand, fly down just out of range. But then
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  Speaker 2: she goes over little rise. Gobbler follows her, so we
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  Speaker 2: end up sort of paralleling them along. He's gobbling decent.
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  Speaker 2: We're like peeking over these little hills. I can see them.
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  Speaker 2: They're in this giant medal. So we're kind of pinned,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm telling Mabel, listen, we're just gonna be patient,
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  Speaker 2: and when they make a mistake by going into a
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  Speaker 2: little drawer around a corner, we're gonna make a move.
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  Speaker 2: And Maybel don't care if we call the bird in
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  Speaker 2: or if she bush wackx it right, she just wants
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  Speaker 2: a dead gobbler. So we're sitting there being patient, just
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: kind of watching them feed through this metal, and all
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  Speaker 2: this sudden I hear wo w W and I look
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  Speaker 2: at Maybe like, what the hell was that?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: She's like, I don't know. And a couple of minutes
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  Speaker 2: go by and it didn't just it just didn't register
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  Speaker 2: with me at first. And a couple minutes go by.
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  Speaker 3: Woe wee.
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  Speaker 5: I go, oh, that's someone like replicating Stephen Ranella's or
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  Speaker 5: Steve's call. I doubt I think he was in Alaska,
• 6:11
  Speaker 5: but I'm like, it was very startling to me. Well,
• 6:14
  Speaker 5: sure enough, we're like watching these turkeys and all of
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  Speaker 5: a sudden, those turkeys are like doing this.
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  Speaker 4: How close was it, like, did it sound like that
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  Speaker 4: guy was on tap of you?
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  Speaker 2: No, because we eventually saw him. So basically, there was
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  Speaker 2: a big giant meadow that kind of led up to
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  Speaker 2: this hill, and he was on top of the hill.
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  Speaker 4: But he was after the same birds.
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  Speaker 2: Well I don't know if he was because he was
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  Speaker 2: shot calling, yeah right, so I don't know if he knew.
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  Speaker 2: He had probably heard those birds from a distance and
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: they had come in and was trying to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: relocate him. Again, I don't know for sure if these
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  Speaker 2: turkeys saw the guy, because not long after we saw
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: the turkey spook, I see the guy like hot footing
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  Speaker 2: it across the ridge trying to catch him, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 2: He ain't gonna catch a turkey after you spook him,
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: you know. But I'd always agree with Steve, like, oh,
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: you're probably right, You're just making a loud noise, you'd
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: get a shock gobble. Great, these turkeys might have had
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: an adverse reaction to that sound, sure, because they definitely
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: when they heard that we were looking right at them,
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: their heads popped up and they were like, what's up,
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: you know, and they sort of started looking. And then again,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know at what point they saw the dude,
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: or if they saw the dude, but it didn't last
• 7:28
  Speaker 2: much longer, and Mabel had her first experience of what
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: it's like hunting public lane when it doesn't go right.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of it'd be interesting to know if the
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  Speaker 4: noise is what spooked him. I was in Pennsylvania a
• 7:40
  Speaker 4: couple of years ago turkey hunting, and we were hunting
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  Speaker 4: kind of a small couple hundred acres and there were
• 7:46
  Speaker 4: some other dudes hunting the next property over, and first
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  Speaker 4: thing in the morning, like we happen to be right
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  Speaker 4: on the edge of that, you know, like the property line,
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  Speaker 4: and I was cutting loose with a coyote call, and
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  Speaker 4: this other turkey hunter like pops up next to us.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, we don't use those to shut like he
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  Speaker 4: was pissed that I was using a coyote Howler, which
• 8:06
  Speaker 4: I've always had like excellent results with, Like before fly down,
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  Speaker 4: He's like that just scares the turkeys. Like I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: it's worked pretty good for me in the past. But
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  Speaker 4: maybe a noise could, you know, an adverse noise could
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  Speaker 4: do it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I was hoping you were going to say, after you
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  Speaker 3: heard that noise that you looked over and saw a
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  Speaker 3: blue jay or something actually making the noise.
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  Speaker 2: I wish. Yeah, No, it was. It was startling and
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  Speaker 2: it was definitely out of place. It just took me
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  Speaker 2: a second to register exactly what the hell it was.
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  Speaker 3: Well, did you guys get any birds? Then after that mishap.
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  Speaker 2: Mabel did not. We end up we moved spots and
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: did a not a big loop, not a power loop,
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: but we did another loop. And I'm proud of her
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: because the couple days before we did do a power
• 8:53
  Speaker 2: loop and eleven year old, I think she's stuck with
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  Speaker 2: me for like seven miles oh a pound in the
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: ground and making lots of crow calls and loud yelps
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  Speaker 2: with no zero responses. We had some crappy weather. Some
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: wind makes it tough, you know, anytimes sun's out, guns
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  Speaker 2: out with turkeys, you know, when the sun's out, they're
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: playing ball, and it's nice they're playing ball. When it ain't. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: you can still kill them, but it's just it's not
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  Speaker 2: as much fun. It's not as easy, for sure. So
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: we ended up killing uh, I don't know. We killed
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  Speaker 2: Aina killed the tom at a different location on the
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  Speaker 2: way out there Thursday morning, and I doubled up on Jake's.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: My wife doubled up on Jake. She and I were together.
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  Speaker 2: She shot one. The rest of them were staying around,
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  Speaker 2: and she looks at me. I'm like, yeah, shoot another one.
• 9:46
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah. When a gang of them comes in and
• 9:50
  Speaker 4: you're holding two tags.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. A couple guys on Instagram, you know,
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  Speaker 2: had to say something about because I was like, well,
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: tom's are hard to find. So I was happy that
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: when we shot these jakes and they're like, well, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: wonder there's toms are hard to find when you're pounding
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  Speaker 2: the jakes.
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly there is some truth to that, but also hunting
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  Speaker 2: public land, it's like and all the other things that
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: love to eat turkeys. Right, it's hard to say that
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  Speaker 2: if us killing two jakes would have equalled more jakes
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  Speaker 2: next year, or if it's gonna be the or sorry
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  Speaker 2: more Tom's next year, or if it's gonna be the
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: same amount. Certainly there would have been two more that
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: maybe would have made it. But we all know that.
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: You know, what are the chances that turkey makes it
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: from egg to two year old gobbler? It's like one
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  Speaker 2: in fifty or something crazy like them.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I get it, like the not killing Jake.
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  Speaker 4: Things like maybe back east where there's just a lot
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: more hunters and a lot more hunting pressure, and some
• 10:47
  Speaker 4: of those turkey populations are yeah, on their way down.
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: But it's just a different situation out here.
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Yeah, Brent Reeves tell you it's sacrilege,
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: you know, do it down there. They just will not
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: shoot jakes unless you're a kid where it's your first
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  Speaker 2: time hunt hunt. And the way I'm looking at it,
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, that's turkey schnitzel walking around on today, and.
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  Speaker 4: It's still like you're taking whether it's a gobbler or jake,
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  Speaker 4: you're taking a turkey out of the population.
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: Right, you know, Well you can shoot hens in the
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: fall breeding season. Yeah, well in Montana. Yeah, referring to so.
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything was bushwhacked, didn't call in nothing in Montana.
• 11:33
  Speaker 4: Listen, this is I've been wanting to have this conversation
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: about bushwhacken for.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: A while, Like, what's happened?
• 11:40
  Speaker 6: I had a drop for this.
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: Oh no, it's like there are there's a certain contingent
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  Speaker 4: of turkey hunters that really look down their nose at bushwhacken,
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: like the purity of calling them in. I get it,
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: But if you've ever tried to, like stock a turkey,
• 11:58
  Speaker 4: you might like, if you haven't tried it and then
• 12:00
  Speaker 4: you go try it, you might have a different opinion
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  Speaker 4: about it because they're not easy to stop.
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: I guarantee you that half the people that look down
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: on it is because yeah, they haven't tried it, or
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: they or they have a little bit and they can't
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  Speaker 2: do it right because it's too hard to Like, it's.
• 12:16
  Speaker 4: Way harder than stocking a spot in stock rifle, hunt
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  Speaker 4: for mule, deer, elk or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, try stocking an eagle in the tree.
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: They got the same eye sight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always say, man, a turkey doesn't
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: have to hundred yards two hundred yards, doesn't have to
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: look over and go, oh I just saw Corey Kulkin
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: skyline himself. He just sees like some hat brim Yeah,
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: move ninety degrees and he goes, I don't know what
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: that was exactly, but I'm gonna just go the other
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: directions just to be sure. Because ever since I was born,
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: ever since I came out of my mom's kloac, something's
• 12:54
  Speaker 2: been trying to eat. Yeah, listen, it's just the way
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: it is. I still do. I love calling them in, Yes,
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: which is why I'm going to tell you this story.
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  Speaker 2: Because in Colorado a bush whacked one two. I couldn't
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: call one in there. They were super hand up. But
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: I get to Wisconsin, I got one day to hunt, well,
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: I had two, but I knew the second day was
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: just going to pour rain all day, so it wasn't
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: gonna be a good day at turkey hunt. So I
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: have kind of chased a couple off the roost, but
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: they get onto the neighbors and I can't call them
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: back in. And long story short, I've criss crossed four
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: hundred acres for like four hours, maybe longer, yeah, because
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: I probably started at five. Now it's noon. I'm heading
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: back camp, kind of worn out, coming down one last
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: ridge still calling, and I get an answer. Sweet, do
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: a little loop. I kind of know where they're at.
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  Speaker 2: I'm set up on this I set up on this
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: little bench, and I got the roll of the bench.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely not fifteen yards away, maybe closer to ten. It's
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: not far I tried to get. I tried to back
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  Speaker 2: off the edge a little bit so I could have
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: a little more room to work. But everything behind me
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: was kind of ex there's no shade. And right where
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: I was there was a pine tree and it was shaded.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, it'd be better to hide in
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: the shade. So I sit down. I don't even call.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: I just do a couple scratches in the leaves bah
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: and there's two birds, like right, gobble on top of
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: each other. Got my gun up, I'm ready, and I
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: can hear him walking. That's one of the beautiful things
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: about hunting them in the eastern deciduous forest, man, is
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: when they're on those dry, crunchy oak leaves, you can
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: just hear them coming. I can taste the schnitzel at
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: this point, you know, well, the first one pops up,
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: blue and white head head pops up, looks for half
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: a second full strut. You know, I'm like, oh sweet,
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: and I don't shoot. I hesitate for whatever reason, because
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: I was just enjoying the show. I guess. Well, where
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: he popped up just his right my lookers left, there's
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: like a double trunked oak, and he like immediately is
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: behind it, and.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: Which normally is a good thing because you can like
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: totally get into position right right.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: But there's two birds, so I'm thinking, well, no big deal,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna track through that tree. When he pops
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: out the other side, gonna I'm gonna roll him. You know,
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: he's close. How close, like I said, less than fifteen Well,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: I get like halfway through this double trunk tree and
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: I just look out of the corner of my eye
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: and the second gobbler's head pops up. Well, this dude
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: is not white and blue. It's full red. And when
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: I see him, I'm thinking, okay, I should probably need
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: to swing back and shoot him. Well as I'm just
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: thinking that that bird puts one time and is in
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: it on his wings, and the other bird is on
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: his wings. I never even seen this the first one again,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: and both of them pitch off into the woods, never
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: to be touched by Yanni's tss Wow. Moral of the
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: story is like, take your first I wasn't in like
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: full kill mode even though I had just been pounding
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: it for seven eight hours. And here's my opportunity. I
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: could have rolled him, and I just hesitated, and there
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: you go. It was bad. Like my stomach. I haven't
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: had like a stomach in the in the bottom of
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: my was This wasn't what I'm trying to say, like
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: the you know when you get that pit feeling in
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: your in your stomach.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: And say, my stomach falls out of itself.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. Like I haven't had that that
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: bad for a while. Like I was close to camp
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: five minute walk and I almost didn't want to go
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: back to tell the story because it was hurting me
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: so bad.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, some of them that I muffed it. It's good
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: to have those hunts now and then that really hurts.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's good to be humbled. That's why I love
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: the Wild Turkey because that joker humbles me. And and
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: uh yeah, so that's about all of my turkey hunting stories.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a little a little while back, I was out
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: with my older son and uh sprung him out of
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: school after he had a good baseball game the night before,
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: and we got into the spot, slept it, slept in
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: the truck, got up, hiked into our spot, hit the
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: coyote haller a few times, didn't hear anything. Hit it again,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: didn't hear anything. Hit it again, like real aggressively, and
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: wam three gobbles. I'm like, okay, I kind of know
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: where're at, but we we're just like a little too
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: late with the light and so like I didn't want
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: to push it and get in there tight and have
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: malready on the ground and see us.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: So we set up.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: It was probably I don't know, it was more than
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: two hundred yards away, right, but I just didn't want
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: to move. I was like, we're just gonna be patient
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: and they'll come, like and we I called and they'd answer.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I called.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: They weren't getting any closer. We ended up sitting in
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: that spot for an hour and it was cold, like
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: like cold enough that I was getting ready to be like,
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: screw it, We're gonna walk just to warm up and
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: get closer. And we hear like obviously in range, but
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: the same thing over a little lip. This hent just
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: starts making a racket like yelping and cutting and yelping
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: and cutting to the point where I was looking for you,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: to the point where I was like, Hayden, I think
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: there's a dude down there, because it was just it
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: sounded almost unnatural. It was so like aggressive and loud,
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I was like, I think
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: there's a guy in here with us, And I was
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: like my heart was just like broken at that point.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: But then I see Hayden gun.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: I see Hayden like shift his gun this way, and
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: I see that hen's.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Head popped up.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: I was like, don't shoot, that's a hen. She ends
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: up coming into I don't care decoys a lot, but
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: I had him that time, and we had a quartz
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: strut jake and then a hen on the ground. She
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: came up to those decoys puffed up like a gobbler, strutting,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: making all kinds of noise, like not paying any attention
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: to the Jake decoy, just walking circles around that hen,
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: very irritated, and then kind of like gave up on
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: it and wandered off. And then we see a lone
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: gobbler out at like eighty ninety yards and he takes
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: a long time coming in. He gets to like, oh,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: thirty five forty and I'll tell Hayden to cut loose
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: on him. Immediately after he shoots, we hear three gobbles
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: also in range, like right from where that hen came from.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: I'm like, can you see him?
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: Can you see him?
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: Can you see him? And finally it's like I see him.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: And they get in decoys and do the little dance
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: around the decoys and when we get a couple of those.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Nice you had three gobblers in one morning, well one gobbler,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: oh to Jays. Yeah, so that was exciting because he's
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: never had that kind of show before and it like
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: reinforced to me and definitely him like if you sit tight,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: like good things will happen.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So I'm guilty of walking too much when
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: it's a Turkey season for sure. Yeah.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Last weekend of the season this weekend here in Montana.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: So I'm gonna take my younger kid. We're going camping,
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: and we're going to camp in a spot where we
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: might have a sh shot at a at a turkey nice.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Good. So, so he hasn't been out at all, just
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: timing man sports and whatnots. Yeah, yeah, priorities.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in town and country the other day,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: and it was coming around the poultry aisle and saw turkey,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: and I went and crept in real slow, and then
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I went up and smacked him. He was frozen. So
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: that was my turkey hunting I did this year.
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: My congrats.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't buy him, but I could have could
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: have could have tagged that one, could have.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Tagged that one.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: But I've been bear hunting.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Yep, you've been bear hunting. Yeah. How many days did
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: you put in bear hunting? Man?
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: It was pretty quick this year. Only three. Typically I
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: hunt I don't know, ten to fourteen days. It's easy
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: for these long days to just get in a couple
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: hours after work, and I call that a day because
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: it ends up being an eight hour adventure.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: But I went the last week of April, spotted a
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: bunch of bears. Ended up going back to the same
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: spot the first weekend in May and stayed overnight. Spotted
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: a bear in the evening, and then in the morning,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: was hyper focused on the drainage that I saw him
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: in and found him again about two miles away. Closed
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: the distance to.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Two miles from where you first inspired him, or two
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: miles from where you were at.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: About two miles from where I first spotted him. Sorry,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I glassed him up two miles away, what I'm trying
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: to say. And then probably an hour and a half later,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I was within ninety yards of him and I shot
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: him on the run running away. Biggest bear I've ever harvested.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: He spooked him, I did me, Yeah, yeah, I was
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: trying to play the wind as the thermals were switching around.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: They moved so much all the time, but in the spring,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: the bruins especially are just cruise in Roman looking for
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: that fresh patch of grass or new flowers or something dead.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: And I watched this guy cruise probably a solid half
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: a mile, and he luckily stopped in the drainage that
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I last watched him go into.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: But you couldn't see him until you were on top
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, he went into this stick not super thick,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: but thick enough to where I couldn't see him until
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: I was on him and got up into this into
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: the drainage that he was in, and figured he had
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: left because I didn't see him. I was about to
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: set up in predator call and I heard a stick
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: pop right below me and then just saw a flash
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: of black probably that was probably forty yards away, and
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: then he would I could tell he was running away
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: and there was this little gap between some a tree
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: and a cliff, and I shot him right through that
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: little gap, probably about ninety yards.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Could was he full on hauling ass or fast.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: As he could go? He's a he had a big
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: butt on him, so he couldn't go very fast.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I mean embarrassed that. You know they do thirty forty
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: miles an hour.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this guy, like I could tell by the way
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: he was running, was huge. And I knew he was
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: big when I saw him from miles away, like I
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: wanted to kill him. I could tell it was a
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: bore from that far away.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: And I saw him the night before.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: And did he have to leave it?
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: No, it was so close that I just put it
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: right behind the shoulder and that's where it went.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Did you bring in a picture of him?
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: No, I didn't, got it up on my Instagram.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I saw them Seaman Calkins great big nogging on him.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that looked like it looked like a bandy.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I'm tickled his skull. I mean it hasn't had time
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to you know, do the the green scored the skull
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: at twenty inches.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: So which is being seen minimum mm hmm.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: So it might shrink under that again, we'll see. But yeah,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: got the hide in the freezer, fat in chunks, ready
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: to render. Meets in the freezer, feeling good.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Nice. What are you gonna do with the hide?
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: I'd like to get a rug made, but we'll see.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to save up a couple of paychecks
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: for that one.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Dude. It's not cheap, I know.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say I'm going on a guaranteed hunt.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: But the outfitter that I'm going with next week in Manitoba,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: he's texting me, I think two days in a row
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: and one days, like we killed four last night And
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the next day he's like, we killed five last night.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, on is that like you forgot about
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: one and that was from two nights ago, or you
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: guys killed nine bears in two days. It's like, oh yeah,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: we got nine and two days. And then he just
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: like lists all of the numbers baited. You know in Manitoba.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Sounds like there's a lot of bears there, so not
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: guaranteed but high probability. Yeah, I'm not looking forward to
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the rug bill.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a big one I've got.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I think I'm just gonna tan it and just hang it.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: It depends on how big.
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: I was just talking about this man, like that's what
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: I did with my first bear, which was a giant,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: And for two years I just looked at that tan
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: thing hanging there, just like wishing I had gotten a
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: rug maid and then I had a rug made out
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if they have a big old noggin, I mean,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's worth foaming that out just so
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: you can relive that.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Did it cost you any less or more when you
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: got a taxi? It'll cost you a few.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Hundred less if you get it tanned first, because otherwise
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: they got to send it off to get tanned before
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: they make the rug.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't. I wanted to sit right on
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the floor in front of my wood right would burn
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: and stove, and I don't really have that set up
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: yet for it, so I don't. I don't need the
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: rug right now.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see what kind of bear you get. See
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: how big his head is first. That's exciting, though, that's.
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Some newspaper up in that head. After you get oh yeah,
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: there you.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Go, all right? Do we need to move on, Phil,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's time. All right. Well those were good
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: hunting stories, fellas, Thank you, all right? Next, Oh, catch
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Crayfish Counting the Stars is now available in paperback.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Right here here it is.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Why does it take take them like two years to
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: decide to put something out in paperback? So the time.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Varies, but it's the decision that the publisher makes based on,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: you know, when they think the timing is right for
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: a paperback.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: But obviously it's based on probably on sales of the
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: sure art cover too, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: done well enough enough to release it in paperback.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, So it's out now. Lots of cool activities
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: in there for for your kids, outdoor activities, Corey, what's
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: your what's your favorite one in there?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of good stuff in here, but how
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: many of you actually done with your kid?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Man Marshall, To.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: Be honest, I haven't looked through the whole book. I
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: this is one of those where you could just like
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: flip to a page, yeah, and then you know, like
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: find the the most recent chapter that they're talking about
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: and just go from there. Like a couple of winters ago.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: We flipped to the make your own aquarium, and we
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: did that, caught a little uh really perch from a
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: local pond and maybe threw them in there find an antler.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: That's pretty fun to do this the time of year.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: But I flipped to go rock hounting, and we're gonna
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: go look for some quartz and agates this weekend.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Oh nice.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: It kind of just spun off reading this book. Great
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: ideas in there.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's easy to do right there. Go for
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: a walk and pick some rocks. Oh, easy peasy. You'll
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: go for just those two rocks. But your kid will
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: come back with a box of rocks. Oh, it could
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: just be gravel. Yeah.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: I've had to rewild some rocks recently.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, I do all the time. Yeah, because my wife's
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: my wife is bad about it. The kids are kind
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: of like e but my wife like will not let
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: a piece of pet trified would stay on the banks
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of the yellows. It's coming home for sure.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm be honest. What's your what's your favorite one?
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I'll be honest. I haven't done many, uh, but I
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: did do one before the book was out, and then
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: wrote the the little how to to Do It, which
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: was to build a PVC bow, which is an idea
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I think I got from Jimmy Miller. But uh, yeah, man,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: it's super easy. And uh, you still need to make
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: some arrow Is there how to make some arrows? Along
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: with the.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: No, we didn't go that far. That's that's getting serious.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you gotta have we I just used old
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: hunting arrows of mine. But you just take a chunk
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: of PVC and some string and cut some notches in
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: the PVC and use some tape for a little handle
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: in a in a arrow rest and uh, you got
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: yourself a bow that Uh my kids they ran around
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: in Princess.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: I remember when they were little running around. Yeah, yeah,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: just flinging those bars all around. See an arrow.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta gotta wear a helmet in the backyard.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: What about what's you? What's your?
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: There's a couple in there that I'm partial to. The
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: track and animal and the read animal sign one. I
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: think that teaches kids a lot, like looking at poop,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: looking at whatever hair, feathers, whatever they can find, you know,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: maybe it's a snake skin on the ground. Like I
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: just think kids are like naturally, Like the biophilia thing
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: is like just built into them. So like, those are
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: a couple of activities that play into that that I
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: like a lot, and it's going to teach them to
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: be a better hunter, you know. But there's I don't know,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: seventy five more activities in there, like everything from gardening
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: to fishing to like history, there's all kinds.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Of All the kids that I know that have that
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: book love it. Yep, yeah, absolute, I love it.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, such a great one to just throw in the
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: camper in the back of the truck if you're even
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: just going to a local parks. So many activities in there, Yeah,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't just think about Yep.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: All right. This kind of ties it together with activities
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: for kids, getting kids into hunting, and also Mabel's turkey
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: because she didn't get a turkey when we were out
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: on our big trip, but she did kill a Yanni's
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: ranch bird the other night. Oh that's been causing some
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: strife and actually Jennifer's not home, my wife. But when
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: we told her, she's like, I told you guys not
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to kill that bird. And we're like, did you We
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: thought you just said like you didn't want us to
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: kill that bird. You didn't say you can't kill that bird.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: We tried to kill him two other days, one time
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: in the evening, and he stayed over the roll and
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: then he just kept gobbling. And finally I'm like, did
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: he roost? And I went and peeked over the hill,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: and sure enough he's in the tree. So the next morning,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: my oldest and I we get up at five am
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and I got her sitting on the deck like in
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: the dark, waiting for it to get light. Well I
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: didn't cause I dropped back to call a little bit,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: so I didn't see. But the gobbler was in plain
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: view of a them, and so of course, like it
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: was doomed from the beginning because even uh, I don't know.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Jennifer's like, you guys are killing a half domesticated bird.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, kind of like this person doesn't live
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: in suburbia, like everybody around us lives on ten to
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: forty acres or something. There's coyotes around, there's foxes around.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Wolves.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Sure you know these are not quite I mean sure
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: other people feeding them. Yes. Well, anyways, the other evening
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: we could hear him goblin across the way. I told Mabel,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I said, just go out there, and every thirty minutes.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Just give a couple of strokes on the box call
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: he'd answer. And then after dinner, Mabel's like, that's probably
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: getting too late.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you're probably too late, but just keep
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: listening and looking. And we're cleaning up and a looks
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: out the window. He's right there, you know. Oh like
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: oh boy. So anyways, we go out there. It doesn't
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: take much, make a few calls, peek around the corner
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of the garage, kill him. And uh. Maybe she's very
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: aware that it's like a different hunt than what we
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: were just experiencing on our Turkey camp trip. But it's
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: not what I want to talk about. What I want
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: to talk about is that she's very skittish around gutting
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: and the processing. My oldest one. I'll put her up
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: against anybody in this office. She might not be as
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: fast as you, but if you could give her a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: whole deer and she could process it. At this point,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: at the age of thirteen, she's good at it. She
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: enjoys it. Maybe on the other hand, like sticking her
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: hands up in that turkey's cavity and pulling those guts out,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: fighting it, fighting it. So my question is of core.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: You haven't gotten there. You're gonna have to deal with
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: this at some point. But like, for kids that like
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: to kill stuff, do you force them if they're not
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: into dealing with guts and processing, do you force them
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: to do it anyways, because that's part of the deal.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, I can't. It hasn't been a problem with
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: my boys. If anything, they're like curious about it. They're
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: like interested in it. You know, with fish, they want
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: to see what's in the stomach, they want to see
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: what's in the crop. I mean, forcing a kid to
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: do something is maybe not ideal, but you should at
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: least I think you got to get him involved in
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: some of the steps, right. But yeah, I mean i'd
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: lean towards like you killed it, you're cleaning it.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Well, because it used to be just like you kill it,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: you eat it, right. Yeah, that's like the original version
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: of this. And then I think sort of as because
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I know Steve would just bring me home to his mom,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: and his mom would kind of prepare it and then
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: they would eat it, right. I think that's kind of morphed.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: As we've become parents to we're like we're like, oh no,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: there's this other thing too, like you need to be
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: involved in the whole process, right, because we want them
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: to be. But what I'm scared of is if I
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: force it too much, then she she's gonna be like,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: screw it, I don't even kill a turkey. I'll go
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: play volleyball.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, maybe you try doing it in steps, man,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Like will she cut the breast off the carcass or.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: She's yeah, man, she's not huge into any of that stuff.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Once it's in the bag and I ask her to
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: run the seiler, yeah she'll do that. I mean, I
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: guess if I was in that situation, I'd rather like
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: and worried about that you're gonna turn her off a
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: hunting all together.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: I'd rather have her go hunting with me and not
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: do it and force her to do it and then
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: she doesn't want to go hunting, you know what I mean?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: My kid was with me on a turkey hunt last year,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: and it was pretty funny because I'm like, all right,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: now I got to gut this thing, and he's like,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: oh gross, and started walking towards the truck and then
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: he like stopped and wanted to watch and got very
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: curious about halfway through and the next thing, you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: he's like looking up into the turkey and wanting to
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: get his hands dirty and so that I never.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Went through that gross thing.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Man, It's just like a lot of curiosity.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got one in one kind of
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: hung out with the turkey's guts for thirty minutes, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I was sort of heading towards the sauna and she
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: was running around the side of the house with like
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: different pieces. What's this? Then she'd come back, what's this?
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Come back? She took like fifty pictures. Yeah, she doesn't
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: mind getting getting in there.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned fish. That's a great starting point. I
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: feel like something about fish and the lack of eyebrows
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: that maybe or eyelashes.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: May smell really bad.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Boy do they ever?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna do a We're gonna request that you guys,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the listeners. We're gonna do a listener hot tip off showdown,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: So we want you guys to send in a hot tip.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: We're gonna play it next week. If I was here,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: i'd host it on this show on my birthday. But
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be in Manitoba hopefully looking over a bunch
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: of bears eating donuts and maple syrup. Ah, but Brody
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: wants hot tips for taking kids hunting, fishing, camping, that
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: sort of stuff because we're celebrating the paperback release of
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Catch Crayfish count Stars. Yeah, what do you want to
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: add to that.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Brody, Well, we'll take all everyone's gonna send us all
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: those parents out there. It doesn't have to be from parents,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: but I imagine the bulk of it will be from parents.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: But I think if your kid has a hot tips too,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: coming straight from the source and them to it.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But anyway, we'll we'll look through everything we got.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: We're gonna take the three what we think are three
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: of the best ones. Then in next week's show, the
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: hosts are gonna vote.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: On the winner.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Now, the three finalists that are gonna compete will all
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: get a copy of the book, the paperback copy, and
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: then the winner will get this bad boy knife here.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: You want to pull it out and show.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: It, Yeah to the super sharp MKC.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Maybe like, if you give that knife to your kid,
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: be awful careful with it.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, guaranteed you're gonna need some band aids. So if
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: you're the lucky winner, you're gonna give that let your kid,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: mess with it, get yourself some band aids ahead of time.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: This is the Montana Knife Company flat Tail yep, little
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: collab we did with m great do it all hunt night.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: So like sixty to ninety is a long hot tip video.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Keep it says SYNCD folks like sixty seconds is ideal
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: and then just send that. Send your videos to radio
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: at the meeteater dot com. That's that's the right address.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Scord, Yes, sir, and.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: We'll vote on him next week.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Send it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: That'll be fun radio at themeeteater dot com. All right,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: now on to our first guest, Bart George joining us today.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: He's the wildlife program director for the Cowspell Tribe. Bart,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. If meat Eater has a mountain
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: lion expert, Bart is it. We filmed Idaho Mountain Lion
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: in season seven of meat Eater with Bart. Bart's been
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: on several metater podcast episodes. There's a great one where
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: he tells the story of almost losing one of his
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: hounds and having himself having a very close encounter with
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: the mountain lion. You should go. I can't. I couldn't
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: find the episode number, sorry, but search around meter podcast
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: you can find it. Maybe Choreo'll find it now. And
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: he was also on a On the Hunt episode with
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Yours Truly where I followed along as Bar performed the
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: research that we're going to talk about today. Bar.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: How are you, I'm well, yeah, thanks for having me.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome. All right. Explain like where the study
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: came from, how was built, how is how is it executed?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: But save the results here for a minute.
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, of course. So, like you mentioned, I worked
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: for the Callispell Tribe. I'm also a hound handler in
• 39:32
  Speaker 7: northeast Washington. I keep dogs and have for don't know
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: fifteen or so years here the state of Washington. You know,
• 39:42
  Speaker 7: hound hunting is illegal here, so there's not a lot
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: of people with dogs. So when they're you know, when
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: cougars get in trouble, typically it's with pets or small
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: livestock in our area. The state has a pool of
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: folks that they'll call to come out and deal with
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: that situation. Typically it's treat that cat and if it's
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: killed something, the state kills it. So Bruce, who's also
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: on that episode, both the episodes of My kind of
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: My Hunting Partner mentor whatever, he and I have been
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: doing this for quite a while, you know, fifteen years,
• 40:20
  Speaker 7: we're getting these calls from the state every you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: once a month or something like that, until about twenty
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: eighteen and nineteen.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: It really picked up. And I don't know what the
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: change was.
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: We didn't we have no way of really knowing that,
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: but we started seeing a real increase in depredations. And
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: you know, when there's a depredation, we go out, catch
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: that cat, kill it, and it becomes property of the
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: state and typically it's discarded. So you know, as a
• 40:51
  Speaker 7: as a hunter, as a tribal representative, whatever, its kind
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: of goes against what we all stand for. To see,
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: it's such a cool charismatic you know, species and carcass
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: just get pitched in the dumpster. So Bruce and I
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: kind of started brainstorm of kind come up with a
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: way to to have some sort of proactive response for
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: the state. So when you know, a real common narrative
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: when we were at these depredations, you know, we'd be
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: talking to the farmer or the operator and say, yeah,
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: you know, this cat was hanging around a week ago
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: on my neighbor's place and then I got a you know,
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: trail camera picture of it or I got to ring
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: doorbell picture of it or whatever a couple of days ago,
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: and it hadn't caused any trouble. But now here it
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: you know, killed lamas or pets or whatever. So we
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: kept here, you know, we heard that a lot, and
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: we got to thinking, like, what if we'd been out
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: here a week ago when it first showed up and
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: and chased that cat off, would it have still hung
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: around and killed something.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Or would it have you know, left the area or
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: we don't. We didn't know. So he's kind of started
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: brainstorm and working.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: With the WFW enforcement crew that we're you know, we're
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: working with all the time, and we came up with
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: this idea to our hat in the cat, but we
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: didn't really know what that looks like yet, and we
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: didn't have the technology to do it. And I'll get
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: into that a little bit in the In the episode,
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: you kind of get us to see what we're doing
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: with the callers and different things. So I was buying
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: some callers from buddy up there at w Pounce of play.
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: He's really he's a tech guy, you know, he's like
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: an engineering background. He's into that kind of stuff more
• 42:41
  Speaker 7: than I am, for sure, And he came up with
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: this idea to develop the sleep mode on our garment callers.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: So then I could put a collar on a cat.
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: That picture you got up as actually the largest cougar
• 42:56
  Speaker 7: ever collared that we know of. He's one hundred and
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: ninety seven pounds.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Man cat we caught right here nodding. He's a whopper man.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: He's big. That was for the state of Washington. We
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: called that cat for.
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: Them on their Predator Prey project.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: That's what that's what an almost two hundred pounder looks like.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you could see the folds in his arm. How
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: much fat he's got just up around his neck.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah, if he'd have taken a couple more bites, he'd
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: have tipped the two hundred pound mark. Anyways, So working
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: with Buddy and he came up with this idea for
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: a sleep mode on a garment caller. So the survey caller,
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: you know, was the typical wildlife caller. It's big, kind
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: of clunky. Things got a long battery life though, four
• 43:38
  Speaker 7: years of battery life if it's programmed properly. But but
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: the garment callers, you know, you only get a couple
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: of days out of those.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: With the dogs.
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: So we needed a way to get real time data
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: from a cat, but have it long last long enough
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: that we could you know, revisit this thing, you know,
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: for five or six weeks. So the sleep mode that
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: that Garment developed with Buddy self kind of made that possible.
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: So we were able then to couple like a regular
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: dog tracking collar onto our regular survey caller and uh.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: And then revisit that.
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: Cat, you know, periodically and see how it's responding to
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: our hazing.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: So that's that was kind of the next to the thing.
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: Then we needed to come up with a stimuli, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: we kicked that idea around and you know, in a
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: perfect world, we'd have had a whole bunch of time
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: and a bunch of folks helping and a big budget
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: and everything, and we would have tested a whole bunch
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: of different stimuli. But we settled on human voice just
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: because for you know, public safety hiking, for people yelling
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: at a cat to you know, move it along, or
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: whatever else. We just thought human voice made the most sense.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: But I would have liked to test it, you know,
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: dogs barking or an engine or car horn honking or
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: whatever as the stimuli. So the stimuli that we settled
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: on was Meat Eater podcasts. It works nicely and you
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: guys have big, loud voices and everything else, and yet
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: there's not a lot of dead time in it. Other
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: podcasts with like long gaps and people like ruminating silently,
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: that doesn't we wanted. We wanted constant talking.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: So you're saying, this is a crew of talkers we
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: have here.
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Man, when Steve gets going, he doesn't stop, he
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: doesn't come up rare. It's like, keeps it going, constant talk.
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: And that's what we wanted. We didn't want to have
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: gaps or music or anything else.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So and you so you were, Yeah, you were
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: measuring basically what you were walking towards collared lines. You
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: knew the location, and then you were measuring, and you
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: had a loud speaker playing the Mediator podcast. It was
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: eighty decibels, right.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yep, eighty decibels.
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: And that's a you know, that's a kind of an
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: outside voice, right, you know, you're at a cocktail party.
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: Eighty decibels probably wouldn't be obnoxious when you're out in
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: the woods, like and it's quiet, it's loud enough that
• 46:02
  Speaker 7: it's carrying a couple hundred yards. Yeah, so we expected
• 46:07
  Speaker 7: those cats be hearing us approach with this human voice stimuli,
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: and we're able, Like I said, we know exactly where
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: they're at. We're looking at our handheld, we know where
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: we're at, where the cat's at. We approach with this
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: human voice, and we're watching. As soon as that cat
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: gets up to his feet and kind of flees, we stop,
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: gather up our data and we see how it responds
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: to us, like how does it you know, how scared
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: of us is is it?
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: So we're able to major then how far that cat moved.
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: Away, and when it stops, we'd hop on, you know,
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: we'd radio back. They turned the dogs loose, and the
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: dogs would come to us, find the cat track and
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: they'd run that cat tree it the first time we'd
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: treat it. We'd mark it with paintballs, permanent paint, and
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: that was kind of the only hands on, you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: that was the only real whatever hazing that we did,
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: other than the dogs parking. We wanted to test if
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: it could associate then, like this human voice approaching it
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: and then this negative interaction. So we did that with cats,
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: and we would do that four times with each cat,
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: and that was kind of our data set, so each
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: cat had its own unique sort of data set with
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: four points on it. We also did a control portion,
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: so then we would take cats and approach them. It's
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: exactly the same way with the speaker playing, and when
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: they mobilized, they'd leave, and then we turn around and
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: just walk OUTZ no hazing. We just wanted to see
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: how that cat would respond.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and how many how many total cats did you
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: end up collaring and doing this too? Well?
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: We collared more. We ended up trying to.
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: You know, we had some trouble at first getting technology
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: figured out. I think totally total cats collared and handled
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: was around fifty. Uh. We got complete data on forty
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: one cats. Okay, that's a pretty good, pretty good sample size.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: It's a little bit heavy on males, but not bad.
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: So we were able to get you know, they were
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: all adults. We didn't call our sub adult animals and
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: we tried not to. We tried not to capture females
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: that had accompanying young just because it muddies the data.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: When we show up.
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: And there's three cats there, we don't know which one
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: runs first. Is it is you know, one of those
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: sub adults get spooked and runoff and the mom follows
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: her like.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: We just didn't know.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, so independent.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Aged independent cats or what we were after?
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: All?
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Right, So these cats all heard Steven Reel's voice a
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: whole bunch. How did they How did they react to that?
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: Uh?
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Positively, I guess, or negatively, I don't tell you. Look
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: at it.
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: They were they learned to avoid us. It really indicated
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: that the pursuit with the dogs can alter their response
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: to this sort of what should have been a BE
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: nine stimulus with the human voice. So it's called a
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: it's called a flight initiation distance project.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: And they do it with birds a lot because birds
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: are easy.
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: Right, If a bird sitting on a telephone pool our point,
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: you can walk out and measure how close it lets
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: you get.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: And all that stuff. Sure, cougars are a lot harder
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: than that. They're secretive.
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: So this is kind of the first flight initiation distance
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: project with cats and our data, you know, for Project Cats.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. The our mean.
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: Flight initiation distance increased from seventy five at our first
• 49:47
  Speaker 7: interaction seventy five meters to one hundred and twenty eight
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: meters by the fourth interaction, so almost double, which is
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: pretty good when you start thinking about this. Limitations so
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: that they can only hear you from so far away,
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: So sure, one hundred and twenty eight meters is pretty
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: good distance. And then the distance moved. It was really interesting.
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: It almost doubled, went from two hundred and seventy eight
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: meters to five hundred and eighty two meters.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Wow, they really wanted to get away from us.
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: By the end of this thing, they recognized that, you know,
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: this person approaching me is bad news. It means something bad.
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: It's about to happen.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you when you hear Stephen Ranella coming through
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: the woods, there's going to be a pack of hounds
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: not long after.
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: Right, if you're of wildlife and you hear Renella walking
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: towards you, bitter skidattle. The control portion was interesting, and
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: that was a little bit later in the game. We
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: really struggled with how to develop this control idea, so
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: it didn't start until about midway through the project. We
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: wanted to first see if we were getting good data
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: on our project cats, and the control cats showed an
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: interesting thing. Our flight and issue distance decreased. You know,
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: it started at sixty eight. We only had a value
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: about I think twelve for our control cats, but started
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: sixty eight, which is very close to what we saw
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: with our project cats at seventy five, and it actually
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: decreased down to thirty five meters. So by the end
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: of that project, those cats recognized pretty quickly that this
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: human voice doesn't isn't that scary, It doesn't mean very
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: much to them so interesting?
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: So was and was it didn't show clearly that basically
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: with every touch point it was getting closer by just
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: a little bit, or or was it kind of all
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: over the place? Would you jump sometimes from sixty eight
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: to fourteen or was it like always sixty eight, then fifty,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: then forty and then twenty.
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there were certainly some cats that weren't that linear,
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: but there were some that really tracked like you're describing,
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: really closely to that that was a.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Little heavy on toms.
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: We ended up with a lot of thmbs eight in
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: the project, so we don't know if the females would
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: have responded accordingly, but yeah, by there's some of those cats.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: You know, thirty five meters is just the meme, But
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: three or four of those cats by the last approach
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: we were walking up and looking at you know, we'd
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: stop at ten meters. That was kind of what we call,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: you know, close enough.
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: We'd stop at ten meters and we'd be laying there
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: in the brush and looking at each other. So those
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: cats weren't afraid of us at all. That human voice
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: they had recognized is not something to be concerned with,
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: which is really interesting.
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: That's like when you think about these cats in parks
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: and along hiking trails and stuff like that, you know,
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: there's maybe one hundred people a day walking by, talking
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: to each other and stuff, and they've just learned like
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: just be still and let them pass.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, it's a wonder we don't have more attacks.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: And you know, who knows who can explain that. But
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: all right, so you can see there's like two I
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: don't know, there's a lot of ways to look at this,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: but it's like one, it's it's good information for the cats,
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: right and for saving cats because as opposed to you
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: guys just coming out killing these cats and then they
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: go into the dumpster. Like, if you can show that
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: these cats by a little bit of hazing then learn
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: to stay away from humans, that saves cat lives, right, So.
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the idea, right, we want those things out
• 53:32
  Speaker 7: on the landscape for leap, for hunters or for whatever else.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just I don't know, be a part of the
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: landscape that is wildlife out there. So like, how has
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: the research been received or are people reading it looking
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: at it? And then is it changing any minds or
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: is it affecting management at all? Management thoughts decisions in Washington.
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: Uh, you know, I don't know if it's made any
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: major you know, led to any changes just yet. I
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: think it's being well received for the most part. There's
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: of course, people trying to.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Make it into something that it's not on you know,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: it's not a silver bullet.
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: It's not it's not going to correct all cougar public
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: safety issues or defordations or whatever.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: But I think it's another.
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: Tool for managers to consider when you know, you have
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: a landscape with lots of people on it and lots
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: of cougars around and you want to kind of lead
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: to that sort of safe coexistence. It just gives managers
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: another tool, and I think it's being received by the
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: managers fairly well.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: In that way.
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: You know, there's a there's a lot of movement right
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: now with cougar management across the West, there's a you know,
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: people aren't going anywhere. Cougar populations seem to be stable
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: or increasing in a lot of places. Say I'm hopeful,
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: I'm hopeful it gets picked up, and people kind of
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: consider that before you know, killing a cat potentially needlessly,
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: and also when they're thinking about you know, policy and
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: opportunities for hound handlers to get out and sort of
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: recreationally pursue these catches, and maybe an opportunity to get
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: ahead of some of these things altogether just through recreational
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: hound pursuits.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's such a weird idea. Like before
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: I got into hound hunting, I would have never thought
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: that there would be people out there that'd be like,
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, I just want to go and chase these cats.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: I don't even need to kill them, Like just like
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: going out and you know, participating in trying to catch one,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: catching them, taking pictures, and then leaving them. That will
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: be plenty to keep me excited. Now that I've done it,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Like I totally get it. Like you don't have to
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: have a kill season to have hound people be super
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: into it.
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, it's just it's a cool thing and
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: a lot of you know, hound handlers have been really
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: strong advocates for wildlife protections across the West. Just recently
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: in Wyoming is the hound groups that they kind of
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: squashed a bill that would have, you know, an idea
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: that would have really probably damaged while cougar populations in
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: that state, and that you know, hound handlers have came
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: came to the plate several times to sort of protect
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: cats because they want something to do on the weekends,
• 56:33
  Speaker 7: they want to be pursuing cougars, taking their picture, working
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: their dogs. I mean that's kind of the important thing.
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: Now that you have mingus, you sort of recognize how
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: much you know that having a dog in the hunt
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: saying really means.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's another thing too. If you're out there
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: and your dog's not there because he's out on injured
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: reserve or whatever, you might as well just stay home
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: because it ain't no fun once.
• 56:58
  Speaker 7: You've got your own dogs in the races.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: On Well, Bart, thanks for doing the work and thanks
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: for coming and telling us about it. If anybody wants
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: to learn more about this project or actually look at
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: your the results of the research, where can they go
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: to find that.
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: I emailed you guys over a copy of the final publication.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: You can share that if you'd like.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: You know, that episode that.
• 57:24
  Speaker 7: The episode that we did really describes the process of
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: the hazing pretty well.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: They can check that out also.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, thank you. Have a good day, Bart. We'll
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: be in touch soon.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: All right, thank you, thank you.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm watching the clock. Finally after an hour,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: I see that we've burned up sixty minutes and you've
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: got to the first listener feedback. Yeah, we haven't even
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: gotten a listener feedback, So we're gonna do that. I'm
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: gonna also while Phil is doing that, I'm gonna also
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: ask you guys to sort of just, you know, in
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: the chat kind of vote you guys would rather hear
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: gear talk or show and tell.
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: Because here's the thing I was gonna I was gonna
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: call an audible. I'm gonna suggest something because this is
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: if the audience hasn't noticed, this is a little this
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: shows a little different this week. We had to make
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: a last minute change, so we're kind of just mixing
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: things up in the field of the show is a
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: little it's it's it's a little unfamiliar. So I'm thinking
• 58:22
  Speaker 6: we just do one listener feedback, very very familiar to me. Sure,
• 58:27
  Speaker 6: I think we just do one listener feedback at the
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: very end. It'll be the last thing we do. I
• 58:30
  Speaker 6: think we can cruise through gear Talk and Show and Tell,
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: just back to back.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: I think Phil wants to share his sound drops and
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: I really want Okay, that's true.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I forgot that he had roll a special news.
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: I just I just hate cutting things it because we
• 58:43
  Speaker 6: had to cut something last week and it made me
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: feel bad.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, Josh Miller, if you're watching or listening,
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: you know, get your program together so you can join
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: us on a future episode, because it's going to be
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: entertaining for everybody when we uh, when we get to
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: see how you run this program. Because I got a
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: lot of questions for Josh in this program, all right,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: So I like that. So we're gonna save listener feedback
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: for the end. That's what you want to do, Phil, Yeah,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I'll get some more questions in. Okay, bring some more questions.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Now we're on to gear Talk.
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: Let's talk about gear fa beat, Let's talk about sop
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: and beats. Let's talk about boots in bind candle patterns.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: With young beats. Let's talk about let's talk about gear.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Let's talk.
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there we go. I told you, I told the
• 59:38
  Speaker 6: crew I was gonna do a different song. I was
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: gonna I was gonna do jive talking the begi's, But
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: there were just there were too many harmonies and I
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: was feeling lazy this morning. So we're not. I stuck
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: with that one.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: If that was lazy, that's the nails at Phil.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: We should just come up with a new segment every
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: week so that Phil has to.
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: Do a news to come in here at six in
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: the morning before everyone's here and like hide in here
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: and do yeah.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: But you can hear it in his voice when he's
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: doing it. That's what he loves about his job. That's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: what he loves about it. All right. Gear Talk wants
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: to go first.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: Well, you're just going.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: To order that it's written, all right, all right. I
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: recently I've had this cooler for a while, but I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: got to use it again at Turkey Camp. We had
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: the right kind of weather. Last year Turkey Camp was
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: so cold. I didn't even bring these suckers out. Now. Listen,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: this is mega expensive gear. I didn't pay for mine
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: but it's cool. Okay, yeah, no, puny. You can make
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: it cold. You can make ice if you want. Yes,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: it is a solar powered cooler made by Dometic. Okay, roughly,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be in to it. The core is gonna
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: go depending on the size, plus or minus a couple
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: of hundred bucks one thousand. Then you also need a
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: solar panel, and you also need a battery that stores there.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: You go, there's a picture of my setup. So the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: juice goes, is captured by the solar panel, it goes
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: into the battery, is stored there, and then into the cooler.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: You can't go direct solar panel to the cooler.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: How many quartz is that cooler?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: That one is? They call it the fifty five. The
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: nice thing about these coolers is that and I would
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: call them it's more of a refrigerator that is in
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: the shape of a cooler than it being an actual cooler.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: It's definitely not as insulated as a yety. Like if
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: you just used it as a cooler and didn't have
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: power to it, it's not gonna work as well as
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: a YETI would, but if you've got it set up
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: like this and that battery, I haven't tried it just alone,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: but you could probably not have sun or ditch a
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: solar panel. You could. I'm guessing you could run that
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: cooler at thirty eight degrees for three to four days
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: off that battery, which you know gets you through a
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: lot of camping.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Trips Memorial Weekend.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: But man, the real benefit And I don't know, is
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: it worth sixteen hundred bucks for the whole kit in kaboodle,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know. You're gonna have to buy a lot.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to not buy a lot of bags
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: of ice for it to pay for itself.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, buck fifty a bag.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But like not having the wetness in the bottom
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: of the cooler, not having to deal with the ice,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: just constantly knowing that like, oh no, this thing at
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: all times is thirty three degrees or whatever you set
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: it up to. It's pretty sweet. Like it just takes
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: out that element of dealing with the ice, wondering if
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: your stuff's getting too warm, and especially like we we
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: had some birds that needed cooling down right. I used
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: to always bring a separate cooler with separate ice, keep
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: it locked down so that when I get to meet
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I can jam it in there, it'll get cold and
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: I can get it home. Well, this time, we basically
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: just processed the birds, put them into ziplocks and gave
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: them their own little, you know, quadrant of that refrigerator,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: and they're just in there doing their thing. No, don't
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: have to worry about any kind of meat.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: Spoilers all the comforts of home.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, Listen, when your buddy showed up in camp,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: which we had to do, they were giving me some shit.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: They're like, dude, like, did you have to like have
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: a note another trailer with you to carry all this with?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: You say, it looks like it takes up the whole
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: back end of your taco.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: It doesn't, actually, I mean, if you think about it,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: I brought two and I was actually just swapping. I
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: would just unplug one and plug the other one in
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: and then they would they would work that way. But
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: that solar panel, it's skinny, so you just kind of
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: slide it in anywhere you want. The battery is I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: don't know the size of maybe three NuGen bottles, so
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: it definitely doesn't take up any more room. But the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: big benefit is that yeah, no ice, no ice, mess,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: it's got a setting in there. I haven't done it yet.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: I haven't been drinking as I'm getting ready for the
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: big race, so I didn't have to bring any ice
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: for cocktails. But it's got a deal where you can
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: go to the lowest setting and then you basically have
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: like a little mini compartment that sits right on the
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: compressor and you can actually make ice in the field.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: That's a game changer.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: If you like to have your whiskey on the rocks. Yeah, Brodi,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: what do you got?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: I got these bad little mama jamas here.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: This is the sig.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: So these are the image stabilizing buying us that sig
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: hour makes. And I'm generally pretty slow to adopt like
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: new technology, but if you've never looked through these things, like,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: it's impossible to explain to someone who hasn't looked through
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: one of these and just used the regular binos the
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: difference that it makes, like freehanding binos especially, I'm like
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: Western spot in stock hunts. It just sucks like you
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: have to have a tripod. You still do, but with these,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: like you can kick back and throw them up on
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: your knees and actually do a little work with them
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: without a tripod, and it gives your neck and your
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: shoulders a break. You're not hunched over that that tripod
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: all day long, and you can certainly set them up
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: for a tripod. The reason I like these is not
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: for tripod glass and or big spot in stock hunts.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: I like them because they're small. They're ten by thirties,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: so they're light. They're light so like turkey season.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: If I was a tree stand whitetail hunter, they'd be
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: ideal for that. And we've been talking about kids a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: lot today, like they're awesome for kids because especially younger
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: kids just have trouble holding binos steady enough to look
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: at and you're like, the deer's over there, and they're
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: just like all over the place with those things, they
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: can actually see stuff. Yeah, so my boys will definitely
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: be carrying carrying those this fall deer hunting and stuff.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They're small enough that I was carrying them in
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: the pocket. Yeah of my first light turkey vest.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, Like a ten by thirty is not not
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: a wide field of view, right, Like it's for long
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: range class and it's not going to be ideal. But
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: they make what are they twelve by fifties?
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't well, yeah, those are in the newer version.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah that they make They have a bigger objective with
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: the bigger field of view. But I actually prefer these
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: older versions or the first not older, but the first iteration, Yeah,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: just because it is a smaller package and it just
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: they're yeah, super tidy. Love it and I would probably
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: I'll carry I may even carry these.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: And my regular glass and binos this fall like Deer
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: and Elk.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Count Yeah, like you said, for handholding when you're just
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: gonna like quickly need to scan the hillside or you
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: see something moving and you need to get on it quick.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Those things are amazing.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess we're on the battery train or everything
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: that needs charging or takes batteries. But yeah, I am
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: in love with this new well it's not new, but
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: new to me. The uncharted supply companies the Zeus Air,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: which is air inflator.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Uh A couple of time, one of those Corey beats me.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: I thought your whole job was to keep me decked
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: out with all the bitch and stuff.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: No, I'm also a podcast producer. But this thing will
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: pump up any tires, bike tires to truck tires. That
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: also will jumpstart vehicle up to a six liter diesel engine,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: which I haven't had to use that yet. That's a
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: big battery is probably seven years old, so one of
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: these day it is not going to start for me.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: I do have a little like pin leak in my
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: truck tire passenger side tire, so I've had to use
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: this every couple of days. Definitely gonna take it with
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: me camp and it's just a good thing to have
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: in the truck all the time. Also charge USB both
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: types of USB cords has a little handy danny flashlight
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: on it.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: It'll blind you if you're not How much does that
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: thing cost?
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty bucks?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: That's reasonable.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Some other ones out there, like Dwalt makes one, but
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: it's like three times the size. It's pretty amazing how
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: much power is packed into this little kit right here.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: What kind of jacks does it got?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Like USB and like USB and USB C Yeah, so.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: It comes with it's a little cables though to if
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: you had to have you had to hit your battery.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: Yep, comes with the jumper cables and then they hose
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: to inflate your tire and it works. It's kind of slow,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: but it works well. Like I've used it a few
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: times and I don't know, you can probably get all
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: four tires filled up on one like from to fill.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: Like in my before the battery ran out.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: It's pretty impressive. I've been carrying this thing everywhere, so
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: always good to have in the truck.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, Corey wins geared talk.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't realize it was a competition, all.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Right, Onto our next segment, show and tell.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: Many the show.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Good choice, Phil.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: Many a shot.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 6: This is my shriekiest one, A little out of my ring.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Spencer brought a rock? What else did you we.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: Spent no rocks today?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Baby?
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Of course, of course he brought a rock.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: I love this. I love this bit of Yanni just
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: complaining about Spencer all the time. It's my favorite.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know it. Spencer's the whole reason we
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: just don't get to come on here and tell hunting stories,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: especially when all the viewers are like, tell us more
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: haunt stories.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: This is like this show is kind of spends.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: This show is kind of his baby.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: You're the producer does a great job, but it's it
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: all started and you know, kind of morphs off the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: Spencer's ideas. So hats off to Space.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: Come on the show More Off and Yanni, you can
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: crash it and tell more hunting stories.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Hey love to have. Corey knows exactly when I'm available
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: at the hostep. All right for show and tell today,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: I brought in my Axis buck euromount. And this is
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: from a buck that I killed with the Element boys
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: in let's see February of twenty four, so a little
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: over the over a year ago. I like the way
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: it turned out. This is my first animal that I've
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: ever sort of kept the velvet on. The outfitter and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: the Element boys were really impressed. They say this this
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: might have been the biggest one they were going to
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: kill the whole season. They think that it's like top
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: ten or twenty archery sci axis. Oh yes, which.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: Well, I've just never been close enough to a set
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: of those antlers to get a feel for Like looking
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: at it on video, you can't tell how big or
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: small they are. And this isn't a this isn't an
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: insult to you in any way, but those antlers are
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: smaller than I thought they would be.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, access deer is not a giant animal, right,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: like it's an animal that you can buy yourself. Drag
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: along you know.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'll say in the video with the Element boys,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: when you killed this thing, he looks huge on the hoof,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: no offense to the beautiful trophy.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: He's next to some doze. He's next to smaller box.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: That really shows a size in that video.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: I feel like, totally, what's I think the thing that
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: I'd like to share about it?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Though?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a great hunt, had a great, great
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: time with everybody there and Outlaw outfitters. If you're looking
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: for a good access deer hunt team, Outlaw I believe.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so you guys know, oh what makes long
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: I guess trophies or whatever is long brow times? And
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: then I can't remember what they called these, something with
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: a pee it's uh. Anyways, when these are as tall
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: as the main beam, then he gets to be a
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: big boy. But this is a reminder to me that
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: for me to get excited about hunting and killing certain species,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: I need to have some amount of exposure to them
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: more than I have with an axis to here. Now
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: that I've done it three days, I'm kind of excited
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: to go back. I'd like to go back during when
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: they're really roaring in the rut, which is middle of
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: summer in Texas. So it's kind of an adventure because
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be out there with the snakes, you know,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: in the heat and the heat. But like now I
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: know a little bit about them, and I'm kind of
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: like it. I'm titillated by it and I want to
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: experience more of it. But like how excited these guys
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: were to see this animal? For me, I was like,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's like the fourth buck I've ever seen.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: It's just another It's just another axis to me. I
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: don't know. Do you guys ever feel that? Unlike when
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: you're like when you come to new territory, new animal,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: but like you don't know the landscape, you don't know
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: the animal. It's kind of hard to you don't have
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: a connection.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: Right, especially with it'd be especially true with the species
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: like that, which isn't even native to North America.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You got to go to India, yea.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just recently did an odd ad hunt and
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: never seen one before, so I was basing everything off
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: a bigger sheep that I've seen thousands of and very
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: different animal, similar but different totally. That was difficult too.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Did you feel connection with that Ali dad or once?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: No, once I put my hands on them, there was
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: a full on connection. But before that not.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: All right? Brody? Would you bring Corey?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: You want to help me?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: It's a truck.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: Do you go?
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: I feel like I need a drum roll? Here?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: You do? These boys? For those of you just listening
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: and not looking, it's taking two of them to lift
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: up and and.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: Move move a little bit further in there.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: They're moving Rody's giant moose skull and antlers that you killed.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: And was that last fall? Last fall?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: What a beauty that's bigger than my dad's.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: I guess I should sit down and talk about it.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Phil.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, this might be a problem. Sorry, we don't have more.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: You can't like the situations?
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: Ye?
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: You you need me to help you to get positions.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: We're live, all right?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: We can just rest it there maybe.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: This is my first and only bull moose Alaska Yukon
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: moose brought in for a couple of reasons, just because
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: moose antlers are super cool. But one of the reasons
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: is the bulls. And Yannis knows this from his dad
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: killing one and not in the same spot, but same
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: general zone of Alaska. The bulls in that area tend
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: to have these really big fronts. He's like Paul, almost
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: like a second palm, you know, and a lot a
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: lot of bulls will just have like a couple of
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: times coming out. So it just just makes these particular
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: bulls really really neat. The other reason I brought it
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: in is this is the first, uh, big game animal
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: whose skull I paid to have done. Normally, I clean
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: all my skulls by simmer numb and water and then
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: cleaning them up. I paid to have this one beetled.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: And the main reason is is if you look how
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: this these antlers come off of the skull, you can't
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: get it down there in the pot. That's right, Like
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: there's a way to do it where you can make
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: notches in a big pot and all that, but I
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: didn't want to mess with it, so I paid to
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: have it beetled. And I think beadled skulls look better
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: then than can look better than.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Well, and they're definitely stronger. Yeah, they'll hold up longer.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Where's that? Where are you hanging that thing? Haven't decided yet,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: so it's not even on a wall. Yea, yeah, I
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: just put the the uh, the wire, the wire into
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: it the other day.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I gotta gotta pick a spot.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: How much you do you have you waited?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: I'm guessing sixty.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: You think, Yeah, I know when I went to that
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: D and C or DNE is that who shipped yours to.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: Trophy Trophy Alaska Trophy Express.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: I went into one of those in I think it
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: was Fairbanks, and we were going to ship my dad's
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: which was a pretty average fifty three fifty four inch
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: bowl or something, nice fronts, and there's a couple of
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: the big boys in there. Due they were so big
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: that I picked them up and could only hold them
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: long enough for a snap of picture before I had
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: to set them down.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was two bulls when we got back into
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: the town. The hangar from the air service we were using,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: you know, there's there's twenty thirty bullskulls in there. There
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: was a sixty eight and a seventy two. The sixty
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: eight was like my thigh his bases and I'm guessing
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: weighed close to one hundred pounds, I mean amazing. So yeah,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: like packing this thing out, my guess is around sixty
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: Corey says more. Yeah, maybe it's hard to say, but yeah,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: it's like a lifetime for me than that. Let's put
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: the sucker down.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, thanks for bringing that in. Yeah, that's that's a
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: lot of effort. Brody's really committed to this episode. Again,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: if you're just listening at home, we were just looking
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: at Brody's how wide was yours? Mid fifty five inch
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Alaska Yukon moves head beautiful? All right, Corey, Corey, would
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: you bring Corey brought an antler too.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: It's the Horn episode, all right?
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: That thing is dark as can be. You found it
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: that dark if you and you added some shoe posa.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: I told him it looks like a Roosevelt. Yeah.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, now now looking it in the camera, it looks
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: a little better. But this is the coolest shed I've
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: ever found. And if you're if you're listening and not watching,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: you should probably go watch. It's got teeny tiny fronts,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: but it's third crab claws and splits and he's got maybe.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: I ain't no crab claw, dude, you can't call that
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: a crab claw?
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: What is it? Lobster claw?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: No? But I mean it's just like a three yeah. Yeah,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: crab claw means it's like little bitty crab claw. It's
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: huge though.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know that's like a twenty one
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: inch in line coming out of off his fourth off
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: his royal time.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Dude, that ding listen, Corey his numbers. There's no way
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: that's twenty one inches. That extra point there. It might be.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: Seventeen you count it from down here there.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: I'll have to learn give it, give it the old hand.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: It might be seventeen. I can't remember the whole thing.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: The whole thing scored. This shed scored one seventy eight.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: And that's not guessing. That's yeah, boone and Crockett.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: So one A three sixty plus so four hundo with
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: the spread yep, dang.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: But the coolest part about this is how I found it.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: So this bowl, Phil, I don't know if you want
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: to play the video.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, hold on a second.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: I used to guide on a ranch in Montana here
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: and this bowl was found in September. This video was
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: taken by the ranch owner, slash Outfitter, And this is
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: the first time we had seen this bowl, anybody had
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: seen him. And this was in September twenty sixteen.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: And is that the antler you're holding?
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: No, so this is so. Yeah, it's probably a year
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: or two years after this shed was dropped. When this
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: video was tacked, you can tell you regressed a little
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: bit every time. It's a little bit shorter, at least
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: on this side. Look at that in line off is
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: fourth is only seven inches.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: They ever get him, so.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: We couldn't kill him in September, we didn't have that
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: many hunters in archery season, but come rifle season, that
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: was like the bowl everybody wanted, just because he was
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: such a freak. I called him t Rex because he
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: just looked like a dinosaur.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: Good name choice.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And he eluded a lot of hunters for three weeks,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: and my hunter on the third week really wanted to
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: fully commit to finding this one. And now the bull
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: had moved a few miles from where this video was
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: taken to another spot like a little juniper hell hole,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: kind of Missouri break style, and he would people would
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: see him from far off, like not being able to
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: put much of a stock on him, or they'd see
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: him and try and put a stock on him. And
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: he eluded a lot of hunters, a lot of really
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: good guides that have killed a lot of elk, and
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: on the third week, my client and I were sitting
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: up on a knob looking down into the spot where
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: he was last seen. We caught a glimpse of a
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: huge bowl by himself at like eleven o'clock in the afternoon,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: coming over a hill. We dropped everything and rallied down
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: to try and kill him, and the second drainage that
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: we went through, I stumbled across this shed sitting there
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: and nobody had seen him prior to that year, so
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: he was he was on the ranch obviously, at least
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: in the spring. I'm assuming the year before, maybe two
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: years before, but probably the year before. And then the
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: next week we didn't end up killing the bowl. It
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: ended up being another giant seven point that we passed
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: up because he really wanted this one. He ended up
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: killing a different bowl on the last day, but on
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: the next final week of the hunt, one of the
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: last days of rifle season, this bowl was killed in
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: the same exact area by another hunter, so he did
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: go down eventually. But yeah, it's the coolest shed I'll
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: ever find. And I'm not a shed hunter. I just
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: pick him up when I come across him. Shed hunting's
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: gotten a little out of control these days. And if
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: it's if it's hip, I'm not doing it.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an amazing one.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: That's my story.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: That's so definite. Once in a lifetime shed.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Philler, we at the two hour mark.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: Yet not quite that I think. I think, I think
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: there is going to be an extra commercial break, so.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: We'll hit ninety minutes. Questions. I saw one, I for
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: sure want to answer about one week in November.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: Oh yes, please do always skeptical to choose ones based
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 6: on programming that I don't know about, and I don't
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 6: want to, you know, cause any hubbubs. So if you
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: want to answer that one, to have at it.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't remember who what the fella's name was.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: I'll try to Forgal for that matter. But they asked
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: if there's going to be another one week in November show,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: and if you didn't watch it, should go back and
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: watch it. But that's where a bunch of us were
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: hunting different locations, but on the same days, and then
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: we sort of showed the communication that we had through
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: text chats and just phone calls and sort of as
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: the one week in November went on, I thought it
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: was a cool idea. The problem with it is that,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: like every kind of wants to be hunting somewhere, sometime,
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  Speaker 2: we have other hunts that we might want to be doing.
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  Speaker 2: It was hard to get everybody to do another one
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  Speaker 2: cause I think we did two seasons so far. So
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: we just got an invite to go hunt somewhere pretty
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: far south, still in the United States, but southern where
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: the rut is later, and we could do this in January.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: So we're trying to put together a one week in
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: January where we all would be on this on the
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: same location, hunting the same white tails.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: That's cool.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's in the works. Hopefully we will put
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: it pull it off this upcoming January, and you'll probably
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: get to see it fall of twenty six. Thanks for
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: the question, Garrett.
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  Speaker 3: I still think we need to do one week in September,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: get four guys out in different different states, hunt out,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: see what the RT's like. Mm hmmm, use in reach.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we totally forgot. We're gonna check. I
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: forgot to put this in the intro. Let's check to
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: see if Yanni drew his wyoming.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: Elk tag. Oh, that's a great idea. I'll play a
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: little music.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we got time.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 6: I'll play the price of white product music here.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: Now, you seriously haven't looked yet.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: I haven't. Oh boy, how long do you drop the
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: son of a gun?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: It no, it's signed me out Ago Yanni.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: How many points do you have?
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: I think I had fourteen going into this year.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: Must be hunting for a trophy unit.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Then oh buddy, oh buddy, verify the information is correct. Yes, continue, This.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 6: Is compelling podcasting. I love it. This was this was
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: Corey's this was my idea. It sounds like I'm being sarcastic,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: but this is fun. Well, yeah, to do it live
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: on the show.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: I didn't draw way non resident Malago and non resident
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: special elk unsuccessful for both man. Dang.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: Times tough out here in the Western States.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: It's crash back to the hoping board or whatever.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: It'll just be to general season.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: What a down? Or to end this podcast on.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: Breaking we have breaking news from the live chat bring
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 6: it Randall Williams. Oh not hello, Mogo, I mean yes, hello,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: but he said, did you hear, guys hear about Randall's
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: turkey hout this morning?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: He got one?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Who was this guy?
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: I don't know. Possibly Max. I just know he didn't
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: invite me. But that's fine.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Pete Munich probably wow, way to go random breaking news.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 6: Uh that bad luck for Yanni. Good look for Randall.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 6: Congrats Randall.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: He probably was hunting at Walmart.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: Matias is upset that we didn't talk more ice fishing
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: this winter. Do you guys have any ice fishing stories
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 6: or anything fun happening?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Man, I like it's because everybody's giving up on the
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: ice here in uh south in southwestern Montana.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: There was good ice this year.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, yeah, sorry I phrased that wrong.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: They've given up on the fishing beneath the ice, whether
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: it's good or not, you just have to go a
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: long ways. Like there isn't great ice fishing. I mean,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you're happy just catching these little perch
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: and blue gills out of the local ponds, sure, yeah,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: but yeah, we just don't have it great. And so
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: I think everybody's like they don't know what's to drive
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: four hours for ice fishing? Yeah?
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: No, sorry, no good stories this year fly fishing this winter.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: At the top, before the show even started, Tucker said,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: how quick do we think the removal of federal lands
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 6: from the big beautiful bill will come up. Well, Tucker,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 6: it's been about ninety minutes, so you guys want to
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 6: say anything about that?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I figured by now hopefully most of
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: the people out there know what happened, that the sell
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: off of public lands was withdrawn, was cut out of
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: the bill, and our our home state Senator Ryan Zinkey
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: kind of led the charge to go rogue and go
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: against his Republican counterparts along with a small group of
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: other Western congressmen, and so that stuff got cut out.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: It's not the land's not going to get sold. So
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: it's good news. But I'm assuming by now most people
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: have great What.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: Was interesting to me is that I didn't catch the
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: talk about the public lands sell off anywhere besides my
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: sort of like hunting Instagram channel.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: I saw it in a couple of like major news. Yeah,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: so it was like it was almost and they mentioned
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: this morning when they went through what was cut out
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: of the bill. It was mentioned in there. It's great news. Unfortunately,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: like I think that a lot of people aren't aware
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: that it, Like like there's a couple of things that
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: remained in that bill which aren't cool, which is the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: boundary waters like mining right next to it could still happen,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: and protections in anwar are being lifted Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: So while lands aren't getting sold, there's certainly public lands
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: that are are still in danger. So there's a reason
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: to keep paying attention to what happens with this.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: That's right, So take a break for a day or two,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: and then we got to get right back to the
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: fight and give your reps another call. Tell them how
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: you feel about mining next to the wilderness area in Minnesota,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: and how you feel about drilling in an warm.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: Yep yep, Devin says. Heynnas seen the new video with
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: you and Randall blowing stuff up with the new six
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 6: to seventy seven Fury cartridge. What was your favorite thing
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: to blow up that day and what did you like
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: about the cartridge?
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: Ah, the watermelon definitely looked the coolest. You know. We
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: did blow up some some sort of fake ballistics gel
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: animals that also had blood inside of the ballistics gel,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: which was surprising. We didn't know that was a part
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: of it. So that was fun too. But I'd say,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: if you're gonna go shoot something, the watermelon is the
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: thing to do. It's a little way, so you might
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: have to buy two so you can eat the other one. Ah,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: the cartridge. Yeah, man, it's a short action, so it's
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: gonna be a lightweight gun with magnum power. But don't
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: you like about that? Yeah? I haven't gotten a hunt
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: with it yet, Hopefully this fall I will. I'll let
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: you know then.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 6: Cool, that's not what I wanted to do.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a big bull Cory. Hey, he got the
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: early morning turkey too. Looks like the sun's not even
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: over the horizon.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: Sent a roost rocket up there to get him.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: I've heard that one. Bro. That's good Randall wouldn't kill
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: a bird off the roost. That's a beauty.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 6: Jackson says. If any of you used thermocell for mosquitoes,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 6: I never heard them mentioned on the show when the
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 6: topic of mosquitoes is brought up. They work like magic
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 6: for Jackson.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 6: Or if you guys have any other miss tips maybe.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: Oh man, hard hard to beat thermoicelle along with deep
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: everything else. But thermo cells are great.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: How heavy are they? I've never held one like heavy
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: A couple carrying around on a ten mile bear hunt.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, if the if the mosquitoes were really
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: really bad, sure, because they're light. They're kind of bulky,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: but they're light.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: M Yeah, cool, I need to try one.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 6: I don't know I have any of you. Is anyone
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 6: in this room hunted a mountain goat.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: I've helped a couple of different buddies harvests.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 6: Mount Okay, so yes Esbo says that they drew a
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 6: once in a lifetime mountain goat, Idaho tag any tips.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: Get them before the snow gets too deep.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: Don't learn the unit man in the country.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, make sure if you're not in mountain shaped train, Yeah,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: get in goat shape. Make sure you know the difference
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: between a nanny and a billy. That's tough.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: Depending Yeah, he might most go tags though, aren't.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: Most of them are? But yeah, I might as well
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: aim for a billy for sure.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 6: Let's see, does anyone have any good crayfish or crawdad
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 6: recipes from our guy Leland. He's helping run a crayfish
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: BHA event in Arizona and he needs recipes to share.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: Crawfish A two f a man. That stuff's great, and
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: then just the old crawfish boil. You gotta do that too, yeah.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: Uh, specific recipes, I don't know.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: I would.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: I would just go to cajuncooking dot com for those two.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: Any shrimp recipe it worked too or whatever?
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go, but what's that seafood boil that they like
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: to eat low Country or oh? That like the brand? Yeah,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's the brand is Louisiana,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: isn't It might be louis You were down there for
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: a bunch of those boils, don't you remember, Thanks Louisyana brand. Yeah,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: just buy like, go online and order a big box full.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: They got jugs of the boil. You just pour in
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: with the water. Yeah, then you just dump all your
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: ingredients in there. It's easy.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: You know what, guys, we just set the record for
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 6: the longest episode of media.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: We did it. We did that last time I was host.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 6: Let's go ahead and call it there.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: I hope everybody enjoyed it.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 6: I hope you know that you're completely even slowly moving
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 6: out of frame, Yanni, and now nobody can see you
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 6: at all.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: I hope you all enjoyed it. I had a lot
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: of fun retelling our hunting stories and listening to Brody
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: and Corey's hunt stories. We should tell more hunt stories
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: on this show. You like hunting stories. Make sure you're
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: right in and say and put uh you know, attention, Spencer,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: we love hunting stories.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: I'll read it.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 6: Maybe maybe we'll just have we'll have a two hosts
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 6: show soon. It'll just be you and Spencer, and you
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 6: guys can kind of compete for you know, meandering, fun
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 6: hunting stories without any sort of you know, like like
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 6: fenced in. And then you got Spencer trying to move
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 6: the show along. I think there's a lot of contention there.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 6: I think it could be a really fun show. We'll
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: put a pull up at the end of see which
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 6: which format people like the best.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: I just ran a race called Don't Fence me In?
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: So oh nice. Don't fence me in? Spencer, thank you
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: all for listening. We'll see you next week.