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NFC Offseason Update with Nate Tice · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 2: Hello, So I'm in hellot Chad. How you doing, brother?
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Speaker 1: You are as everyone knows. You're in Hawaii for god
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Speaker 1: knows how long. I can't even keep up with it.
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Speaker 1: But you're wearing a little Hawaiian shirt today.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because someone sent me a nice Eagles Hawaiian shirts.
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Speaker 2: I thought I'd busted out for the NFC show. Definitely
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Speaker 2: missing home, so anything I get from back home I
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Speaker 2: try to either wear or just you know, incorporating into
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Speaker 2: my life. So that going for the Sixers as well. Chad.
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Speaker 2: I was either not going to show up today or
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Speaker 2: be a static today. And luckily I'm here today because
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Speaker 2: the Sixers finally, finally, beat Boston at home in the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: I know it doesn't sound crazy to people, but Dolanbiad
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Speaker 2: is one in ten straight up headed into last night
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Speaker 2: in the playoffs against the Celtics. So not saying I
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Speaker 2: gave up Chad, but I gave up when they came
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Speaker 2: back in that game, I gave up. I'm one of
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Speaker 2: those Sixers fans. I'm kind of burned out, but there's
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Speaker 2: new hope. All we need is James Runner score forty
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Speaker 2: points and we can win every game.
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Speaker 1: As you know, Joel Embiid had a great line. The
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Speaker 1: Celtics Sixers isn't a rivalry because they always beat us.
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Speaker 1: But as you know, as you know, I'm old and
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Speaker 1: in the late seventies early eighties, when I was just
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Speaker 1: a lad, I in addition to being a Bulls fan,
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Speaker 1: I was a massive, massive Doctor J fan. And of
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Speaker 1: course my nickname growing up outside Chicago was doctor C.
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Speaker 1: And I could I could give you the starting lineup
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Speaker 1: for the Philadelphia Philadelphia seventy six ers from nineteen eighty three.
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Speaker 1: I could probably go ten deep on their roster. I
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Speaker 1: would play basketball in my driveway and pretend I was
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Speaker 1: legendary spectrum Pa announcer Dave Zincoff, and I'd announce the
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Speaker 1: whole team with myself on it while I was playing
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Speaker 1: in the driveway. And in those early eighties years, the Sixers,
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Speaker 1: until they got Mosim Malone, could not get by the Celtics,
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Speaker 1: and it would give me stomach aches watching them try
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Speaker 1: to beat the Celtics. So I empathize with you, man.
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Speaker 2: Chad, that's your show. So you're a true American and
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Speaker 2: most American team and all of the American sports literally
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Speaker 2: named after our independence, our Freedom Day. The seventy six Ers, Chad,
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Speaker 2: weren't our American colors. I love that you're a fan.
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Speaker 2: And I just want to say one more thing. The
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Speaker 2: Boston fans. All these Boston fans talking shit. When was
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Speaker 2: to the Boston's last MVP in basketball chat? Do you
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Speaker 2: know when? Uh?
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Speaker 1: Probably Larry Bird.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So shut the fuck up.
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Speaker 2: All right, Hopefully we get a championship this year. But
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Speaker 2: I cannot take these Boston fans like Sanka Gratz and
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Speaker 2: your MVP. It's fun. This was a fun year watching
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Speaker 2: Joel embiid. Let us enjoy something.
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Speaker 1: Please, Boston fans, I did love I like I love
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Speaker 1: Philly fans so much. And I did love watching the
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Speaker 1: crowd shots at the end of the game yesterday when
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Speaker 1: it looked like they were just going to be in agony,
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Speaker 1: and then they were just euphoric and you could see
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Speaker 1: them cheering before the refs officially called Marcus Sparts shot
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Speaker 1: as being too late. You could see them jump and
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Speaker 1: time NFL podcaster NFL expert Nate Tice ah. You can
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Speaker 1: hear him on the very popular podcast The Athletic Football Show.
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Speaker 1: Nate Welcome, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 4: You first teased me as the biggest podcaster, which I
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Speaker 4: thought was very literal because I am six five, So
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Speaker 4: I thought that was like, hey, that he is not lying.
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Speaker 3: That is what it says on the ten is just
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Speaker 3: the biggest NFL podcaster. So let's just keep it right there.
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Speaker 4: We don't have to look at talk about numbers or
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Speaker 4: viewership or anything like that.
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Speaker 3: What's that's what I mean, height and weight right there,
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Speaker 3: I'm exact.
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Speaker 1: Literally the biggest, the big podcaster.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: I like that.
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Speaker 4: But hearing you know, people they're a fan of Chicago,
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Speaker 4: Boston and Philly sports. As a person that's cheered for
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Speaker 4: a team from Seattle, in Minneapolis and Jacksonville my entire life,
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Speaker 4: it's really funny to hear.
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Speaker 3: Like the big city people like just go like they.
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Speaker 4: Talk about their teams like they're the scrappy underdogs and
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Speaker 4: like the there's only one hundred thousand fans I cheer
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Speaker 4: for this team ever, and it's like, meanwhile, you look
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Speaker 4: at the markets also coming in right here. Simon, by
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Speaker 4: the way, is that I was a little low on
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Speaker 4: not low. I thought the Eagles would a playoff team
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Speaker 4: this year, but like I took me about week seven
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Speaker 4: till I fully come around on them this year, and
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Speaker 4: i'd Eagles fans coming after me. They're just like no one,
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Speaker 4: you know, nobody believes in us. Nobody talks about the Eagles.
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Speaker 4: It's like you guys are like the fourth biggest media market.
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Speaker 3: What are you guys talking to? What are you talking about?
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Speaker 4: You're not the scrappy underdog like you think you are. Sorry,
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Speaker 4: Invincible is not every year for you, guys, But no, sorry,
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Speaker 4: but thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2: Log rant to.
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Speaker 4: Say, big, big, big, big, big podcaster literally right here,
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Speaker 4: but also very happy to be here on the show.
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Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. I have a theory, okay,
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Speaker 1: and I talk about on this show all the time.
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Speaker 1: Simon doesn't disagree with me, but he knows it invites
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Speaker 1: listener ire, so he doesn't outwardly agree with me. Okay,
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Speaker 1: But as someone who you know your father, as you've mentioned,
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Speaker 1: you mentioned Seattle, you mentioned Minnesota, you mentioned Jacksonville, happen
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Speaker 1: to be places where your father was a coach, and
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Speaker 1: so I have a theory about NFL coach. I have
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Speaker 1: a theory about Jacksonville and Carolina and to a certain extent,
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Speaker 1: Tennessee Indie. Like the teams that are in the NFC
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Speaker 1: and AFC South, they've got regional fan bases, will never
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Speaker 1: have national fan bases. No one will ever care about
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Speaker 1: them the way they care about other teams that have
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Speaker 1: developed more of a history over the years. I feel
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Speaker 1: like their nicknames are nondescript other than the Colts and
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Speaker 1: the Saints, like the logos are nondescript, like they're just
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Speaker 1: not memorable. As someone who is connected to the Jacksonville franchise,
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Speaker 1: tell me your thoughts on that.
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Speaker 4: I agree to an extent because they are they those
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Speaker 4: teams like the Jaguars and the Panthers especially, they have
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Speaker 4: the Curse of the nineties. So it's you know, exactly
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Speaker 4: when those teams are founded just by their colors, like
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Speaker 4: you know exactly, like that was the nineteen ninety four
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Speaker 4: ninety five TiAl going on there. But I also think
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Speaker 4: it's those original where are now NFC East teams. They
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Speaker 4: you know, they run as many teams back then and
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Speaker 4: so they had a more more big fan base.
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Speaker 3: And also people.
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Speaker 4: Love winners, and if you look at obviously you guys do,
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Speaker 4: not just in a betting sense, but just people. People
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Speaker 4: will hop on bandwagons over the years. And I think
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Speaker 4: that all those older teams, as you guys know too,
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Speaker 4: is that those older teams, they were winning a lot
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Speaker 4: of games. When they break down, who have the biggest
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Speaker 4: kind of media falling or fan falling. It's all the
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Speaker 4: big cities that you expect, the Giants, you know, Washington,
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Speaker 4: the Cowboys, and then there was the teams that were
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Speaker 4: good for the Steelers, the Packers, like there's no reason
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Speaker 4: green Bay should have a national falling. But people love
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Speaker 4: that band wagon that's sixties. Those sixties teams were really
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Speaker 4: really good. So it's easy to cheer for a winner.
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Speaker 4: So I think there's that's that double whammy is that
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Speaker 4: you're not of those big big markets like Carolina and Charlotte,
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Speaker 4: you know, or Jacksonville, Lataday, Ax.
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Speaker 2: And Indy a little bit.
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Speaker 4: But it's also it's not their team. That's a big
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Speaker 4: thing too. It's happening here in Vegas right now with
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Speaker 4: the Raiders. Is Raiders, yes, have a lot of fans nationally,
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Speaker 4: but local Vegas fans are kind of like, well, it's
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Speaker 4: not really our team, you know, that was LA's and
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Speaker 4: Oakland's and you know Bay Area that's not US but
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Speaker 4: the Vegas gold Knights.
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Speaker 3: Oh.
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Speaker 4: But one of why the biggest gold Knights have a
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Speaker 4: ton of fans because they won, they.
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Speaker 3: Win, they win.
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Speaker 4: Everybody loves a winner. So it's at that combination of
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Speaker 4: big city early big city teams which are usually in
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Speaker 4: the Northeast and some of the Midwest, but then also
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Speaker 4: who was winning early on, and then those parents had
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Speaker 4: kids and then kids. Well I grew up in Arizona,
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Speaker 4: but my dad was from Milwaukee, so I'm a huge
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Speaker 4: Packers fan. So it's like it's easy to cheer for
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Speaker 4: winners rather than pile on to the Cardinals. So long
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Speaker 4: story short, I think there is it is tough to
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Speaker 4: build that franchise and build that fan base. It's more
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Speaker 4: of like a decade generational thing because now we're seeing
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Speaker 4: more Jaguars fans come up because now it's been around
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Speaker 4: for almost thirty years and so now they can recall
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Speaker 4: some of those guys Tony Boselli, you know, most some
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Speaker 4: of those players that played for that franchise earlier. So
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Speaker 4: it's kind of you need time, but winning can really
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Speaker 4: can really amp it up a little bit, make a well,
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Speaker 4: put some nitro into that fan base.
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Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything you've said since you said I
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Speaker 1: was right.
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Speaker 3: Hey, that's exactly what my wife says too. Yeah, that's a.
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Speaker 1: Simon. I know you agree with me. You just don't
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Speaker 1: want to say it. You're afraid that you're afraid of people.
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Speaker 1: Like everyone knows, you don't like to go after people.
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Speaker 1: You don't like to get criticism on the Twitter, and
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Speaker 1: so this keeps you from getting the criticism on the Twitter.
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Speaker 2: I will say this, once they become the London Jaguars,
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Speaker 2: they will be the biggest team in the world chats,
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Speaker 2: so you will just literally and just wait.
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what some of those I get about
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Speaker 4: the Twitter wrath. Though, there's certain fan bases, usually russ
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Speaker 4: Belt oriented fan bases that if you say.
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Speaker 3: Any of they get that, they get mad quick.
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Speaker 4: Buffalo Buffalo fans are kind of cool with me. Bill's
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Speaker 4: fans because I was early on going like, hey, Josh
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Speaker 4: Allen's turning it around, so they I kind of got
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Speaker 4: a card with them. But then like other fan base
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Speaker 4: and then Bengals fan base. Fan base has been the
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Speaker 4: funniest for me. Because they hated me a couple of
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Speaker 4: years ago because I was like, they're getting lucky, they.
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Speaker 3: Shouldn't make a run, and then they make a run
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Speaker 3: to the super Bowl, so it's like, you know, put
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Speaker 3: a bowl in my brain.
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Speaker 4: But then that last year, I was like, man, the
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Speaker 4: Bengals are really turning it around.
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Speaker 3: They really come around. So Bengals fans are all about.
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Speaker 4: They hopped on our podcasts like Bandwagon, very quickly as
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Speaker 4: soon as we're positive about them. But if they're in
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Speaker 4: the Ross Belt, you know that weather turns south and
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Speaker 4: you're criticizing their team, they'll hop on Twitter and yell
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Speaker 4: at you for weeks on end.
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Speaker 1: All right, well, listen, we're gonna talk about NFC teams.
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Speaker 1: And I know that producer Matt Mitchell gave us a
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Speaker 1: very specific outline about how we should do this and
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Speaker 1: what we should be doing. And I think it's hard
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Speaker 1: to transition from nondescript teams in metro areas that are
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Speaker 1: transient that also had the number one overall pick in
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Speaker 1: the NFC in the NFL Draft and then drafted a
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Speaker 1: pee wee size quarterback. Did you have an opinion on
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Speaker 1: Bryce Young? I mean, you're a guy who was much
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Speaker 1: more qualified than me, probably is equally qualified as Simon
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Speaker 1: to analyze the quarterback class and give us your take
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Speaker 1: on if this was the right call for the Carolina Panthers.
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Speaker 4: I think it's scary to draft a true historical outlier.
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Speaker 4: That there's a last quarterback under two underd pounds to
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Speaker 4: be drafted in the first round was Jim McMahon in
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Speaker 4: nineteen eighty two, So this is no way. Yeah, the
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Speaker 4: last one to go in the first round. The last
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Speaker 4: one to go the first three round was Pat White
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Speaker 4: in two thousand and nine, and so you got you're
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Speaker 4: depending on a historical outlier. I appreciate the mental side
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Speaker 4: of Bryce Young, like he does do a lot of
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Speaker 4: the quarterback things well, but it's not only just his
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Speaker 4: size and his weight. It's the lack of kind of
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Speaker 4: overwhelming arm strength or arm talent, and also athletic ability,
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Speaker 4: Like he is a good mover and a good athlete,
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Speaker 4: but he's one hundred ninety pounds, So it's kind of
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Speaker 4: one of those things where it's like he better be
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Speaker 4: he better be a good athlete, but he's not a
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Speaker 4: rare athlete, you know, a lamar, a lamar or a
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Speaker 4: Mike Vick or any of those guys that are true,
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Speaker 4: true plus plus plus athletes. And on top of it,
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Speaker 4: Kyler and Russell Wilson, the guys that he's getting compared
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Speaker 4: to the shorter quarterbacks. Those guys were drafted to be
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Speaker 4: baseball players. They have true plus arm talent, and I
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Speaker 4: don't think Bryce Young has that. And I do appreciate
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Speaker 4: a lot of his game, but it's I wouldn't be
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Speaker 4: bent on him as the number one pick, So I
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Speaker 4: am a little scared. Even if I do like his game,
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Speaker 4: I do like him as a player, but I actually
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Speaker 4: do like how the Panthers are set up, if we
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Speaker 4: do want to talk about that, but I'll talk about
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Speaker 4: that sect.
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Speaker 3: But Bryce Young was a little little for me.
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Speaker 4: I ended up having him as my quarterback three in
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Speaker 4: this class just because the size and lack of overwhelming
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Speaker 4: arm talent.
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Speaker 3: Those are my concerns with him.
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Speaker 1: All right, So Simon, I'm gonna ask you this first.
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Speaker 1: Sure I actually haven't asked you this yet in any
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Speaker 1: of sort of our podcasts. If we look at the
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Speaker 1: whole big picture for the NFC right now, what single
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Speaker 1: team do you think has helped themselves the most this offseason.
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Speaker 1: I got an opinion, but I want.
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Speaker 2: To hear you. I mean, if we're saying just compared
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Speaker 2: to what they were the last year, it's gonna be
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Speaker 2: the Bears. I think they have the biggest win total
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Speaker 2: jump up from last year. And it's just a team
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Speaker 2: that it was all there, Chad. We already talked about
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Speaker 2: they just had the money, They have the quarterback. They
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Speaker 2: just need to surround that quarterback with the pieces and
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Speaker 2: build an offense around it. So the Justin Fields thing, forever,
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Speaker 2: we'll talk about Atlanta passing on him, Carolina passing it.
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Speaker 2: Just these teams that pass them will never make sense.
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Speaker 2: Now he's you know, Field is in an amazing situation
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Speaker 2: with this Bears team where you have two years now right,
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Speaker 2: you have exactly what we had with Hurts with the
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Speaker 2: Eagles last year. It's like they're giving them the weapons,
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Speaker 2: You're giving them the offense, and now there's no excuses.
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Speaker 2: Like Justin Fields, he had excuses the last two years.
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Speaker 2: Everything was built in for those excuses. Now it's gone.
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Speaker 2: Now this is what you want as a Bears fan.
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Speaker 2: So to me, we already talked about their wintild I
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Speaker 2: love them at seven and a half. I think that's
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Speaker 2: a nice overplay, especially in that division. It's just again,
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Speaker 2: we're gonna go through all these NFC teams. It's a
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Speaker 2: changing up guards. We talked about I think two years ago,
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Speaker 2: the Rogers, the Brady's, the Staffords, that was eventually gonna flip.
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Speaker 2: These guys are gonna get old. This was gonna change.
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Speaker 2: Did it happen a lot sooner than I thought it would?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I did not think Stafford's arm was gonna fall off,
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Speaker 2: and I mean Rogers would be out of the division,
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Speaker 2: out of the NFC so quick. So to me, it's
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Speaker 2: kind of a fun wonky year of we already talked about,
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Speaker 2: like Hurts, is he really a number one guy in
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Speaker 2: the NFC? Chad? It's kind of crazy to think that way.
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Speaker 2: But the NFC, the turnover has been so insane that
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Speaker 2: you know, just just thinking a team that improved so
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Speaker 2: much from last year that could take a huge jump.
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Speaker 2: It's gotta be the Bears. It's just wide open there.
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Speaker 2: They're in a division that they easy can win. This
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Speaker 2: division people are hyping up Detroit. This is exactly where
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Speaker 2: you want to be, Chad. Do you want to be
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Speaker 2: in a division that the team that hasn't made the playoffs,
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Speaker 2: or they do make the playoffs, or just a joke
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Speaker 2: every year like Detroit is the most hype team in
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Speaker 2: your division. So to me, the biggest jump I'm expecting
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Speaker 2: will be the Chicago Bears.
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Speaker 1: Well, look right now with bet three six five. The
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Speaker 1: Chicago Bears. I think I bet them earlier this year
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Speaker 1: at one hundred to one. They are now fifty to
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Speaker 1: one at bet three six five. Nate, I know on
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Speaker 1: your podcast on the Athletics NFL podcast, which is very good,
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Speaker 1: you had interesting comments about the Bears and what they've
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Speaker 1: done with their money, how they've managed it, and how
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Speaker 1: they positioned themselves for next season. Explain yourself.
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Speaker 3: Oh man, I say a lot of words, so I'm
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Speaker 3: not exactly how which you want.
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Speaker 1: Me to run back to you. Matt Mitsure gave me.
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Speaker 3: The quote, Well was it this off season?
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Speaker 1: The Bears had a lot of money in their wallet,
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Speaker 1: said the biggest podcaster of all NFL podcasters.
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Speaker 3: Literal biggest.
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Speaker 1: But they didn't let it burn a hole in their pocket.
18:11
Speaker 1: They kept next off season's cap space and draft capital.
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Speaker 1: This team is feisty.
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Speaker 3: Ah, feisty, Yes, that was the term I used. Also huge.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
18:23
Speaker 4: I'm also big on their overplay. I'm very bullish on
18:25
Speaker 4: the Bears, even we talked about the roster moves. I
18:28
Speaker 4: actually really like Ibra flu Smettie Flus, their head coach.
18:32
Speaker 4: What what the Bears are? Yeah, I there's something to them.
18:37
Speaker 4: He's a ball coach, and I meet that as a
18:40
Speaker 4: very complimentary sense. We want these guys to be CEOs.
18:43
Speaker 4: I thought one of the coolest things that he did
18:44
Speaker 4: was as soon as he came to the Bears, he goes,
18:46
Speaker 4: I'm not taking I'm not doing Blake play calling for
18:48
Speaker 4: the defense. Defense coordinators, got it, I got I got
18:50
Speaker 4: too much on my plate.
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Speaker 3: I love that.
18:52
Speaker 4: I love the humbleness of understanding that I'm not a
18:55
Speaker 4: guru and I'm not like it like this is my
18:57
Speaker 4: defense and letting his guys go to work. I really
18:59
Speaker 4: like the offensive coiner Luke Getzi.
19:02
Speaker 3: I think that what they had to work with last
19:05
Speaker 3: year in Chicago was it was bad.
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Speaker 4: It's even worse than people realized the level of talent
19:10
Speaker 4: that Chicago team had last year. And there's games they
19:13
Speaker 4: gave the Eagles a fight. They're really well coached on
19:17
Speaker 4: offense and defense, and it's a classic like can't or
19:19
Speaker 4: won't kind of thing. The people were getting on them
19:21
Speaker 4: like why don't they do this?
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Speaker 3: Why don't do this?
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Speaker 4: It's like, I don't think they can because they have
19:25
Speaker 4: no talent and that's why they can't do what you
19:27
Speaker 4: guys are yelling about them to do. So I'm optimistic
19:30
Speaker 4: about that coaching staff and then that now we're talking
19:32
Speaker 4: about the talent and flux that they got the Bears
19:34
Speaker 4: from my answer for this question as well, that you
19:36
Speaker 4: guys had about who's most improved, and it was just
19:38
Speaker 4: because they had that roster or that salar cap space,
19:41
Speaker 4: the draft picks and all that. I love Darnell Wright,
19:44
Speaker 4: their first round pick this year from Tennessee. He was
19:48
Speaker 4: right neck and neck with me for me for Paris
19:50
Speaker 4: Johnson as offensive tackle one. I like the defensive tackles
19:54
Speaker 4: they took on Day two. I love the running back
19:57
Speaker 4: Roshawn Johnson and the receiver Tyers Scott from Cincinnati.
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Speaker 3: I really like those pieces as Day three guys.
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Speaker 4: Tyler Scott I think will have great synergy with Justin
20:04
Speaker 4: Fields because he's a deep threat and everything. The Dj
20:07
Speaker 4: Moore thing part of the trade. They did everything. They
20:10
Speaker 4: did a lot of things right this offseason. Was it
20:12
Speaker 4: all perfect, like they did they get some edge rusher?
20:15
Speaker 4: Did they get some you know, did they go with
20:17
Speaker 4: Jalen Carter at the ninth pick? No, But for what
20:20
Speaker 4: they were given, I really liked what they did this offseason.
20:22
Speaker 4: And I'm with you guys where I'm bullish on their
20:24
Speaker 4: over win totals, and I think that they can make
20:26
Speaker 4: some noise in that division. And I do think they
20:28
Speaker 4: are going to be feisty. But and on top of that,
20:31
Speaker 4: I am optimistic on Justin Fields. I'm excited to see
20:34
Speaker 4: what he can be as a thrower this year because,
20:36
Speaker 4: like Simon said, he has no more excuses as a thrower.
20:38
Speaker 4: Those pockets will be cleaner, he'll have a little bit,
20:41
Speaker 4: he'll have much better weapons. So I'm optimistic about him.
20:44
Speaker 4: But now it's like, now I can't keep making up
20:46
Speaker 4: excuses abouts receiver runing the wrong route or running a
20:49
Speaker 4: short route. It's like, Okay, let's see what you got Justin.
20:51
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm pretty pretty high on the Bears this year.
20:55
Speaker 1: Justin Field's college graduate from the Ohio State University on
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Speaker 1: his way to becoming the single greatest quarterback in the
21:03
Speaker 1: history of the Chicago Bears. But here's the thing. I
21:08
Speaker 1: can't believe I'm saying this. Look, I love the Bears.
21:10
Speaker 1: I love everything they did, I love their draft. I'm
21:13
Speaker 1: super excited about how they're managing the cap, how they're
21:16
Speaker 1: managing resources. Acquisition. Season has been great. I know this
21:22
Speaker 1: is counter but the Philadelphia Eagles after the Super Bowl,
21:27
Speaker 1: we're on the precipice of potentially falling into a contract
21:34
Speaker 1: and talent abyss right, And we didn't know what was
21:39
Speaker 1: going to happen with Jalen Hurtz. Could he get a
21:41
Speaker 1: cap for a team friendly contract. We knew they were
21:44
Speaker 1: going to lose their top running back. There were questions
21:48
Speaker 1: about what was happening in the front seven. They were
21:51
Speaker 1: a little bit thin. They lost one of their best
21:55
Speaker 1: linebackers to the Bears in free agency. How he does
22:00
Speaker 1: what how he does and makes the obvious choices, doesn't
22:06
Speaker 1: try to outthink himself or anybody else. He gets Jalen Carter,
22:12
Speaker 1: He makes really smart pick with Nolan Smith. He builds
22:16
Speaker 1: back what you need to build on the offensive line,
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Speaker 1: Like I love he built the defensive backfield. The Eagles
22:25
Speaker 1: were the best team in the NFC last season, and
22:30
Speaker 1: I feel like they natally got better, but they put
22:33
Speaker 1: themselves in a position to be better for a longer
22:35
Speaker 1: period of time. Also because of the contract they signed
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Speaker 1: with Jalen Hurts. I'm surprised neither of you brought that up,
22:41
Speaker 1: especially you Simon.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like the general general fans know
22:47
Speaker 2: that though the Eagles are the best, they just went
22:49
Speaker 2: to Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1: It's right, they don't know that they were also in
22:54
Speaker 1: a kind of precarious position after the Super Bowl, like
22:58
Speaker 1: they had potentially a lot of talent hole and in
23:00
Speaker 1: the span of three months, they've made themselves equal to
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Speaker 1: what they were on paper or potentially better in the
23:06
Speaker 1: longer term, a.
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Speaker 2: Talent hold on what though they won their home game,
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Speaker 2: their first home game, they won thirty eight to seven.
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Speaker 2: Their second one, I think they won thirty eight to
23:14
Speaker 2: seven Chad, So it's like, yeah, if they dropped fourteen
23:16
Speaker 2: points out of that, sure, maybe it'd be a little
23:19
Speaker 2: closer game. But the biggest reason the Eagles are just
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Speaker 2: a boring team to talk about is no one else
23:23
Speaker 2: in the NFC improved to catch them. Right the forty
23:25
Speaker 2: nine ers, we don't know who the hell is going
23:28
Speaker 2: to be their quarterback right, and then you go to
23:30
Speaker 2: the Cowboys. I love talking cowboys. It's fun to shoot
23:33
Speaker 2: on the Cowboys, but it's boring. It's like, Okay, is
23:35
Speaker 2: dad going to take that next step? How the hell
23:38
Speaker 2: do we know? There's just there's no team who put
23:39
Speaker 2: ahead of them. So it's kind of I get what
23:42
Speaker 2: the media was trying to make a case the Eagles
23:43
Speaker 2: were gonna slip a little bit. There was just nothing there.
23:46
Speaker 2: Like even the linebacker they lost to, you guys, Chad,
23:48
Speaker 2: he wasn't that great until last year, like he improved
23:51
Speaker 2: every year. But there's nothing like, you know, having people
23:54
Speaker 2: step in and run a boring zone defense. That's literally
23:56
Speaker 2: what we did last year. We ran the defense that
23:58
Speaker 2: was we will let you stablish ninety nine times that
24:01
Speaker 2: one hundredth time won't kill us. You're not gonna score
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Speaker 2: a touchdown here. We're gonna hold you to a field goal.
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Speaker 2: It's a boring defense, but it worked. I mean, once again,
24:08
Speaker 2: who knows how their defense is gonna be the upcoming year.
24:10
Speaker 2: But I just know their offense. That was the whole
24:13
Speaker 2: key to this. It's like if they keep their offense,
24:15
Speaker 2: if they re signed hurts, they're brought back Aga. They
24:18
Speaker 2: still have Smith on the outside and got her at
24:20
Speaker 2: tight end and that o Lion Chat. I just I
24:23
Speaker 2: never really wavered about it. To me, it's just a
24:24
Speaker 2: boring team. The Eagles. We expect regression that just isn't
24:28
Speaker 2: regression there because there's no really competitive team to challenge them.
24:31
Speaker 2: So you know, it's something that loves good football. I
24:33
Speaker 2: think the Cowboys to them is their biggest challenger. The Cowboys. Historically,
24:37
Speaker 2: when you play a divisional foe, no one's gonna know
24:40
Speaker 2: you better. So that's the only team, honestly, not the
24:42
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. It's the Cowboys. They're really worry me.
24:44
Speaker 2: It's just a team that they know the Eagles really well.
24:47
Speaker 2: Like they both play each other so well every year,
24:49
Speaker 2: so I get where you're coming from. They're just it's
24:51
Speaker 2: just a boring team, honestly, the Eagles, Like everyone's gonna
24:54
Speaker 2: bet they're over, everyone's gonna take hurts for MVP. It's
24:57
Speaker 2: just it's gonna be business as usual again. We talked
24:59
Speaker 2: about it last year, first time in NFL history, first
25:01
Speaker 2: time ever in NFL's history, a new coach and a
25:04
Speaker 2: new quarterback, five years between two different Super Bowls, so
25:07
Speaker 2: It's all about Howie. That's the key here. It's like
25:10
Speaker 2: the players change, the coaches change. You got Howie, you
25:14
Speaker 2: got Stotland, the greatest offensive line coach in football. It's
25:17
Speaker 2: all gonna work chat. So that's just my view. And
25:19
Speaker 2: the Eagles they're kind of a boring team. I don't
25:20
Speaker 2: want to HiPE him too much, but holy shit, man,
25:23
Speaker 2: are they really good.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad he brought up Stotland though, because it's that.
25:27
Speaker 3: That's the thing too.
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Speaker 4: It's like, as long as he's there, psyching can leave
25:31
Speaker 4: the offensive Cordier.
25:31
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, the.
25:33
Speaker 4: Bread is buttered by that offensive line. So he's there,
25:37
Speaker 4: and they always have a plan for the offensive defensive line.
25:40
Speaker 4: That's why I love about Howie's even though he's a
25:43
Speaker 4: kind of stat NERD's.
25:44
Speaker 3: Dream, or at least everybody, but they all want to be.
25:47
Speaker 4: It's hilarious that he doesn't chase like, yes, he chased
25:49
Speaker 4: receivers and everything, but he goes no offense defensive line
25:52
Speaker 4: like we're we're always replenishing those positions, and that's why
25:55
Speaker 4: they are in this position to do this. So you
25:58
Speaker 4: can drop in a quarterback and let him develop. When
26:00
Speaker 4: Jalen hurts when he can just sit in the pocket
26:02
Speaker 4: and clean pockets. And so I always just love that
26:05
Speaker 4: with Howie is just he knows, he knows where the
26:07
Speaker 4: strength of an NFL team is built, and he has
26:10
Speaker 4: no kind of questions about that.
26:12
Speaker 1: So interestingly at be three sus five, the Eagles are
26:18
Speaker 1: eight to one to win the Super Bowl. Uh, the
26:21
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers seven to one to win
26:26
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. UH. And in the conference the hold on,
26:33
Speaker 1: I can't find it, hold on, hold on to win
26:38
Speaker 1: the NFC title. What's interesting is the Eagles are three
26:42
Speaker 1: to one, the Niners are three and a half to one. Okay.
26:48
Speaker 3: And also the Cowboys have Mike McCarthy now too. That's
26:51
Speaker 3: is calling place.
26:52
Speaker 4: That's the thing every time I get optimistic about the
26:55
Speaker 4: Cowboys Mike, because I actually do like some of the
26:57
Speaker 4: things I did this offseason, it's like Mike McCarthy's calling plays.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 3: God, I always just always keep that in the back
27:03
Speaker 3: of your mind when you talking.
27:04
Speaker 1: About the Yeah, well listen, Nate, Yes, if I can
27:10
Speaker 1: read back one of your many quotes from.
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Speaker 3: Your a lot of words from.
27:16
Speaker 1: The Athletics NFL podcast, Mazy Smith was the last piece
27:22
Speaker 1: this defense needed. Yeah, if these off season moves click
27:26
Speaker 1: on this roster, watch out. Yeah, explain yourself the.
27:33
Speaker 4: Other off season moves just to kind of check the
27:36
Speaker 4: check that kind of conversation pieces they trade for Stefan
27:39
Speaker 4: Gilmour and Brandon Cooks on either side of the ball.
27:41
Speaker 4: I usually don't say that a thirty two or thirty
27:44
Speaker 4: three year old cornerback is like a really good kind
27:47
Speaker 4: of king making move. But for the Cowboys, they were
27:50
Speaker 4: able to get through with basically bottom tier second corners
27:53
Speaker 4: outside of Treyvon Diggs last year, which is kind of
27:55
Speaker 4: remarkable of how aggressive they play, how much man coverage
27:59
Speaker 4: they play. But why I said the Mazee Smith signing
28:01
Speaker 4: for a draft pick their first rounder this year is
28:05
Speaker 4: when they had last year when they traded for Jonathan Hankins,
28:08
Speaker 4: who was a big nose tackle from the Raiders. They
28:11
Speaker 4: traded for him, and after he came on board, their
28:14
Speaker 4: run defense just.
28:14
Speaker 3: Exploded in a good way.
28:16
Speaker 4: I guess it exploded offense, it's a better way to
28:19
Speaker 4: phrase that, but they became the best run defense on
28:21
Speaker 4: first and second down in the NFL when Jonathan Hankins
28:24
Speaker 4: was on the field, And it's like was even close.
28:26
Speaker 4: And why that matters. I'm talking about Jonathan Hagens talking
28:29
Speaker 4: about Maaze Smith. It's the same position nose tackle, So
28:32
Speaker 4: they got a younger, more explosive best comparisons like don
28:36
Speaker 4: Terry Poe type nose tackle that could be disruptive even
28:39
Speaker 4: if he doesn't fill the box score. The rest of
28:41
Speaker 4: that defense is so fast with Michaeh Parsons, DeMarcus Lawrence,
28:46
Speaker 4: even just outside of that, they're like Donovan Wilson, Jay
28:49
Speaker 4: Ron Curse, all these guys they fly around, and so
28:53
Speaker 4: getting a guy like Mazie Smith to kind of shore
28:55
Speaker 4: it up and hold the fort on the interior built
28:58
Speaker 4: through the spine of their defense kind of lets all
29:00
Speaker 4: those skill guys, those fast guys fly around and go rogue.
29:04
Speaker 4: Sometimes their defense goes rogue and they make up for
29:06
Speaker 4: it because they're so fast. It's opposite of how the
29:08
Speaker 4: Eagles play. Everybody's a sound, perfect zone. Everybody's sound and safe.
29:13
Speaker 4: The Cowboys are flying around, running around, blitz, we're running
29:16
Speaker 4: man coverage. Then we'll switch it off and uncover too.
29:18
Speaker 4: So now he's just getting more this kind of soundness
29:21
Speaker 4: in the middle. With Leyton vander esh as well, I
29:24
Speaker 4: compared him to Machalele, the old soccer player, you know,
29:27
Speaker 4: kind of he was the central defender kind of shorted
29:29
Speaker 4: up for the real Madrid. I know, I'm really just
29:32
Speaker 4: turning the numbers here with that reference right there, but
29:34
Speaker 4: I think that Mazy Smith just helps out the defense
29:37
Speaker 4: as a whole and just really unlocks with the speed.
29:40
Speaker 3: Of the rest of his players.
29:41
Speaker 4: So it was a draft pick I didn't know I wanted,
29:45
Speaker 4: you know, like when I was a neutral fan, I
29:47
Speaker 4: was like, oh, that pairing, Yeah, I like that, And
29:51
Speaker 4: so it was one I've gotten really excited about because
29:53
Speaker 4: what I think the repercussions of what will happen for
29:56
Speaker 4: the rest of his teammates on that defense. So I
29:58
Speaker 4: think there's not gonna be much regression on the cow
30:00
Speaker 4: Boys defense, But you know, just the offense we have
30:02
Speaker 4: to still figure out with Mike McCarthy Collin plays.
30:05
Speaker 1: By the way, the Dallas Cowboys right now bet three
30:08
Speaker 1: sixty five twelve to one to win the Super Bowl
30:15
Speaker 1: right there with the New York right there with the
30:18
Speaker 1: New York Jets. Come on, come on, that's just ridiculous.
30:24
Speaker 1: The Cowboys are also plus five point fifty to win
30:29
Speaker 1: the NFC. I don't think there's value on any of
30:34
Speaker 1: these that we've talked about so far. But let me
30:37
Speaker 1: ask a couple of YouTube questions. Okay, Simon, I'm gonna
30:42
Speaker 1: start with you. Who is the best team to win
30:48
Speaker 1: the fewest games this year in the NFC? So what
30:53
Speaker 1: team do we think is really good is actually not
30:55
Speaker 1: going to win a lot of games, but will look
30:58
Speaker 1: good losing games.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like the easy answer will be
31:02
Speaker 2: the Lions. It's just they're gonna be the all hype
31:05
Speaker 2: team coming into the year. I think the end of
31:07
Speaker 2: the year eight and two, the public just loves the Lions.
31:10
Speaker 2: I think most better is like them as well. That
31:14
Speaker 2: just would not be shocking to me them not falling apart,
31:17
Speaker 2: but just them not being as good as people think
31:19
Speaker 2: they're gonna be, just because it's a team that I
31:23
Speaker 2: just don't know if I'm buying in on the coaching yet.
31:25
Speaker 2: I know they retain a lot of their guys. They
31:26
Speaker 2: did well not losing guys, but man, I still have
31:30
Speaker 2: a lot of questions about this Lions team. I don't
31:32
Speaker 2: know if they fix a lot of their issues on defense,
31:34
Speaker 2: which was any team any team could run on the Lions.
31:38
Speaker 2: Like That's why I'll never get why they passed on Carter.
31:40
Speaker 2: They were giving up. I mean, I feel like the
31:42
Speaker 2: Eagles set the tone for their entire season. Eagles Week one,
31:44
Speaker 2: I think ran for two hundred yards on them and
31:46
Speaker 2: that was just how it was all year for them.
31:47
Speaker 2: So a team that I think people have high hopes
31:50
Speaker 2: before that could easily disappoint gotta be the Lions.
31:54
Speaker 3: The Lions is a good one.
31:55
Speaker 4: And if you're just looking at like maybe over under
31:58
Speaker 4: total and to to see who's gonna miss it by
32:00
Speaker 4: that much, I would look at the Saints, who are
32:02
Speaker 4: right now, I think at nine and a half, I
32:04
Speaker 4: think is their win toldal right now? Kind of know
32:07
Speaker 4: what Derek Carr is And also you know, it's is
32:11
Speaker 4: that much difference between Dalton and Jamison Jamis Winston said
32:15
Speaker 4: Jameson Williams. It's taking the Lions Jamis Winston kind of
32:18
Speaker 4: like you know tandem that we've seen there. It's just
32:21
Speaker 4: that the really and there's a lot of players I
32:23
Speaker 4: like it on Saints. I love Chris olave here was
32:25
Speaker 4: my Rookie of the Year pick last year. You know,
32:28
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens with Michael Thomas. But you know,
32:30
Speaker 4: but defensively, they lost a lot, especially their defensive line.
32:34
Speaker 4: And for a team that doesn't blitz much. They run
32:37
Speaker 4: some you know, simulated pressures where they bring four, but
32:40
Speaker 4: they're still only bringing forward. It's not a true blitz.
32:43
Speaker 4: They need rugged, badass defensive linement, and they lost three
32:47
Speaker 4: of them this past offseason. So that defense has been
32:50
Speaker 4: such a strength the last couple of years, kind of
32:52
Speaker 4: low key one of the best defenses to watch, and
32:56
Speaker 4: statistically as well, that Saints defense the last couple of years.
32:59
Speaker 4: I think that defense gets a drop off even if
33:02
Speaker 4: the offense, you know, gets a half bump off up
33:05
Speaker 4: or a tier bump up. I just can see them,
33:07
Speaker 4: like one injury and then the whole thing just you know,
33:10
Speaker 4: house of cards just falls apart. So I think that
33:12
Speaker 4: Saints team is kind of one that's their toe the line,
33:15
Speaker 4: or they're walking a thin line between you know, a
33:18
Speaker 4: ten win season or a five or six win season.
33:20
Speaker 4: Hopefully they didn't trade next year's first round or because
33:23
Speaker 4: or they have no kind of ambition to trade any
33:25
Speaker 4: future draft picks like they like to do. So that
33:27
Speaker 4: the Saints I'm kind of uneasy with, even if I
33:30
Speaker 4: do like a lot of other players.
33:32
Speaker 1: Saints are at nine and a half wins at bet
33:34
Speaker 1: three six five, Detroit Lions at nine and a half
33:36
Speaker 1: wins at bet three six five. Nobody mentioned either of
33:41
Speaker 1: the teams that were nearly record setting in winning one
33:48
Speaker 1: score games in which there is always some kind of
33:51
Speaker 1: regression the following season. That is the Vikings and the Giants.
33:56
Speaker 1: And if you were to say to me, if I
33:59
Speaker 1: were to answer that quick question about sort of which
34:01
Speaker 1: good team will lose the most games and probably look
34:05
Speaker 1: good doing it, it's hard not to go with the Giants,
34:11
Speaker 1: like they're going to be playing the Cowboys, who could
34:14
Speaker 1: be improved. They're going to play in the Eagles, who
34:16
Speaker 1: I think are as good, if not better. So why
34:21
Speaker 1: are we not talking about the Giants at eight and
34:23
Speaker 1: a half wins at bet three six five as the
34:26
Speaker 1: team that will regress the most?
34:29
Speaker 3: I guess I guess saw both of them regret.
34:33
Speaker 4: Maybe in my head already have them regressing, so maybe
34:35
Speaker 4: my discussion, I don't see either of them as playoff teams.
34:38
Speaker 3: So like maybe in my own head I was like, oh, yeah.
34:41
Speaker 4: There were only when seven eightish games anyway, so maybe
34:45
Speaker 4: that's my answer with it, but I agree with maybe
34:47
Speaker 4: especially the Giants. The Giants punched above their weight because
34:50
Speaker 4: they're so well coached and they like what they basically said,
34:54
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones, You're not going to ruin the game for us.
34:56
Speaker 4: You're gonna have you just run play action at nakeds
34:58
Speaker 4: and then you need to throw it down the field
35:00
Speaker 4: to run. And that was their offense last year. And
35:02
Speaker 4: let's get say, quant a whole bunch of touches. Let's
35:04
Speaker 4: just do some pony offense. And then on defense, they
35:06
Speaker 4: had nobody at linebacker, they had nobody really playing corner,
35:11
Speaker 4: and they still were okay at times, which is like,
35:14
Speaker 4: again credit to their coaches. So they might play exactly
35:18
Speaker 4: the same this next year, even with a little bit
35:20
Speaker 4: better talent, still seem like an eight win team. But
35:22
Speaker 4: the Vikings, though, is they're trying to bridge between this
35:26
Speaker 4: like quasi reload, quasi rebuild, but also kind of quasi
35:30
Speaker 4: and competing right now, and I think that could easily
35:33
Speaker 4: fall apart too. They wait, like I think their point
35:36
Speaker 4: differential last year was five hundred. Anyways, like I think
35:39
Speaker 4: they actually had a negative point differential last year, and
35:42
Speaker 4: plus the fumble luck, I think they had, they've had.
35:44
Speaker 4: They've so much going against them this year, and on
35:46
Speaker 4: top of it, they've lost some talent too.
35:48
Speaker 3: And yes, I know they.
35:49
Speaker 4: Drafted some guys. Everybody has a draft, but I do
35:51
Speaker 4: see the Vikings. Maybe in my head, Cannon, I already
35:54
Speaker 4: pictured them already losing or being underwhelming and not being
35:56
Speaker 4: a playoff team. So maybe that was not my answer
35:58
Speaker 4: for the question, but I agree with that makings. I
36:00
Speaker 4: can see you having an easy drop off this year.
36:03
Speaker 1: Nate Tice, once again agreeing with Chad Molman Simon, Yeah.
36:07
Speaker 2: I think one of my first bets I gave out
36:09
Speaker 2: was the Giants under it's just it feels like it's
36:11
Speaker 2: just by the book kind of play. It's a team
36:12
Speaker 2: that I didn't. I didn't I put the lines over
36:15
Speaker 2: them and the Vikings. Guy, I think Nate nailed it
36:17
Speaker 2: where it's like we both everyone expects both of these
36:19
Speaker 2: year to regress. The Vikings lost even though a defense
36:21
Speaker 2: sucked last year. They lost a ton of starters from
36:24
Speaker 2: last year's defense. On the flip side of the Giants,
36:27
Speaker 2: I could see them improving, honestly, like they had no
36:30
Speaker 2: receivers and Daniel Jones still somehow made it work, and
36:32
Speaker 2: they were still gritting out these wins when he would
36:34
Speaker 2: run for these random ass third downs and run for
36:37
Speaker 2: ten yards and get her first down.
36:39
Speaker 4: Well, his favorite betts last year was Daniel Jones rushing
36:41
Speaker 4: overs like at every game.
36:43
Speaker 2: It was the best and it just kept hitting like
36:46
Speaker 2: he kept anytime he needed to make a play, he
36:48
Speaker 2: kept making those plays. So it's one of those that
36:50
Speaker 2: they were fortunate they had incredible coaching. But their regression
36:54
Speaker 2: we all expect across the board for them is that
36:56
Speaker 2: they won't have these fourth quarter comebacks they had. I
36:59
Speaker 2: think it was more at the first six games they had,
37:03
Speaker 2: they were down in the fourth quarter, not even single digits,
37:05
Speaker 2: double digits, and they came back and won those games.
37:07
Speaker 2: Like everyone's gonna remember that Lamar game. I mean they
37:10
Speaker 2: were losing. I think Lamar had the ball, They're up ten.
37:14
Speaker 2: I don't know if you picked it or funneled the ball.
37:15
Speaker 2: They took it back for a touchdown. The next play
37:18
Speaker 2: he got the ball back, he threw a pick and
37:19
Speaker 2: they scored a touchdown. It was like a walk off winner.
37:21
Speaker 2: So the Giants just had a lot of things bounced
37:23
Speaker 2: their way. I'm with Chad, I expect the division to
37:26
Speaker 2: be better. I mean, obviously the Commanders are. They're one
37:29
Speaker 2: of those teams people are gonna better for wor worst
37:31
Speaker 2: team in football next year, makes sense. But the Cowboys Eagles,
37:35
Speaker 2: we expect them just to be as good. And I
37:37
Speaker 2: just you know, when I look at this Giants team
37:39
Speaker 2: did a lot of luck out of division, I just
37:41
Speaker 2: don't see it repeat itself. Usually these coaches when they
37:44
Speaker 2: take over a new gig, you don't have much tape
37:46
Speaker 2: on their offense. They're gonna run. That's hard to really
37:48
Speaker 2: prepare for. Now you have a whole offseason of the
37:50
Speaker 2: most brilliant minds of football looking at this offense. He's
37:54
Speaker 2: just gonna be different for this Giants team. So I
37:56
Speaker 2: think the pressures on the Giants because they paid all
37:58
Speaker 2: these guys, I see no pressure the Vikings. This feels
38:01
Speaker 2: like a true tear down burnet team this upcoming season,
38:04
Speaker 2: where it's well Kirk's last last year in the deal,
38:07
Speaker 2: they got nothing on defense. They drafted a new I receiver,
38:10
Speaker 2: which is awesome and good, that then not address any
38:12
Speaker 2: of the real issues. That was a really stupid draft
38:15
Speaker 2: pick by the Lakings. So once again, I just they
38:17
Speaker 2: ad a home run on the Jefferson pick. Everything else
38:20
Speaker 2: this team has done these last ten years just does
38:22
Speaker 2: not really work, this Vikings team. So it's tough to say.
38:25
Speaker 2: But in that division, I got it lines and I
38:28
Speaker 2: got at the Bears, and then I do have it
38:30
Speaker 2: really close between the Lakings and Green Bay. So that's
38:32
Speaker 2: how I see is shaping up in that North division.
38:35
Speaker 1: Hey, Nate, quick aside, there's a great question that came
38:39
Speaker 1: in that I want to ask that I think is
38:41
Speaker 1: really interesting. But since you have a six month old
38:44
Speaker 1: and before the pod we were talking about kids, I
38:47
Speaker 1: want to give you a little preview of what you're
38:50
Speaker 1: headed for. While we were having this conversation, my phone
38:54
Speaker 1: was ringing and it was my sixteen year old son,
38:57
Speaker 1: and I know that he's home, so he's calling me
39:00
Speaker 1: from somewhere in the house. So I texted him while
39:04
Speaker 1: the phone is ringing, recording a pod done in a
39:08
Speaker 1: little bit emergency question mark. He responded, Yes, the TV
39:15
Speaker 1: in basement has no sound. Oh no, I wrote back,
39:20
Speaker 1: that's not an emergency. He wrote back, we have different
39:24
Speaker 1: definitions for emergency.
39:30
Speaker 3: I can't wait for that.
39:33
Speaker 1: I wrote back, You're funny, and that's why I don't
39:36
Speaker 1: leave you with strangers, so good luck to parenting. Here
39:44
Speaker 1: is here are two questions from listeners. This is from
39:50
Speaker 1: AMP listener A Learn and I think it's a great question.
39:56
Speaker 1: Could we ever see a defensive MVP? And the reason
39:58
Speaker 1: he's asking this is because Micah Parsons is two hundred
40:02
Speaker 1: to one. We know what an insane athlete he is.
40:05
Speaker 1: We know he's bulken up to play defensive end. It's
40:08
Speaker 1: very possible this guy sets a single season sack record.
40:13
Speaker 1: Could that make him make him an MVP? Would that
40:16
Speaker 1: make him a value buy for MVP at two hundred
40:20
Speaker 1: and one, Simon.
40:23
Speaker 2: No dumb bet. Cooper Cup had the greatest buy receiver
40:26
Speaker 2: season we'll ever see, most likely, and he didn't even
40:29
Speaker 2: come in a sniff length of winning MVP. It's just
40:32
Speaker 2: it's a QB award. It's just the way the league is.
40:35
Speaker 2: If we have a lockout season, I don't hate that bet.
40:37
Speaker 2: If we have a weird shortened season where it's like
40:40
Speaker 2: they're only going to play thirteen or fourteen games, I
40:42
Speaker 2: do not hate those kind of bets. But in a
40:45
Speaker 2: normal season, I just never Since I've been a pro,
40:48
Speaker 2: I mean, growing eleven years now, I've never not given
40:50
Speaker 2: out a quarterback for MVP. It's just it's boring. But
40:53
Speaker 2: that's just the way the award goes now. Unless a
40:55
Speaker 2: running back runs for a shit ton of yards and
40:58
Speaker 2: their team is the number one seed, is not going
41:00
Speaker 2: to go to anyone else but the quarterback. So I
41:02
Speaker 2: get where he's coming from. I love those kind of
41:04
Speaker 2: long shot bets, but I just wouldn't do it. I mean,
41:07
Speaker 2: is he gonna have thirty sacks? And is a guywaysing
41:09
Speaker 2: me a number one seed? Because that's what you need
41:11
Speaker 2: at two hundred and one, that's not good enough for me.
41:14
Speaker 2: I need maybe three hundred four hundred to one to
41:16
Speaker 2: really get that payoff. There.
41:17
Speaker 3: You're betting on a once in a lifetime season.
41:20
Speaker 4: Exactly, Yeah, not exactly where how I like to put
41:23
Speaker 4: my money throw my money at. And even you look
41:27
Speaker 4: at eight ish, yes or years ago, seven years ago,
41:29
Speaker 4: JJ Watt was having incredible historic seasons. I mean, if
41:33
Speaker 4: it's looking back at those stats, it's even more comical
41:36
Speaker 4: now as as you get further and further away from it.
41:38
Speaker 4: And JJ Watt's got a lot of you know, good pump,
41:42
Speaker 4: a lot of people like JJ Watt, and he didn't
41:44
Speaker 4: get a vote.
41:45
Speaker 3: So that's that. Yeah, I don't think a.
41:47
Speaker 4: Guy like Michaeh Parsons or anybody else like that would
41:50
Speaker 4: have to be It has to be a perfect storm,
41:52
Speaker 4: like you said, has to be a true true shatters
41:54
Speaker 4: a record true true fifteen and two team fourteen and
41:58
Speaker 4: three team all time defense, and then that's like and
42:01
Speaker 4: they might even get a couple of votes, much less
42:03
Speaker 4: getting the actual award.
42:04
Speaker 3: So I like more like a dB.
42:07
Speaker 4: For Defensive Player of the Year than a defensive player
42:10
Speaker 4: for MVP, if that makes sense, as far as got
42:12
Speaker 4: like an outlier beat.
42:14
Speaker 1: One last question from Ian from Egan. He's listening on
42:20
Speaker 1: AMP right now. Last year, Seattle was considered horrendous heading
42:24
Speaker 1: into the season. By Christmas, they were contending for that
42:27
Speaker 1: playoff spot. Who is this year's Seattle Nate As a
42:32
Speaker 1: Seattle backer, I'll start with you.
42:34
Speaker 3: Oh, I was a sale backer last year.
42:36
Speaker 4: I had had over wins, i'd have playoffs, but I
42:39
Speaker 4: was like I had over on there because I like,
42:41
Speaker 4: I was a fan of GIDO.
42:43
Speaker 3: If I had to pick.
42:44
Speaker 4: A quote unquote a Seattle this year, it would be
42:46
Speaker 4: the Falcons. Just that division. What the tape makeup that
42:50
Speaker 4: offense is. I'm a big fan of Arthur Smith and
42:53
Speaker 4: his offensive guru ship. I really do think he is
42:58
Speaker 4: kind of an under rated play color right now because
43:00
Speaker 4: people are too fascinated with Kyle Pitts's box score stats
43:03
Speaker 4: as opposed to what he actually does as a play
43:05
Speaker 4: color and a play designer. I think the defense will
43:07
Speaker 4: not be great. I think they struggle to even be
43:10
Speaker 4: like eighteenth in any advanced metrics DVOA or success rate
43:15
Speaker 4: or anything like that. But if they can get to
43:17
Speaker 4: that level twentieth eighteenth on defense, I think this is
43:20
Speaker 4: a legit top ten offense. They were twelfth last year
43:22
Speaker 4: in DVA, twelfth in EPA per play. I think they're
43:27
Speaker 4: fifth in success rate as an offense last year, and
43:29
Speaker 4: that's with Marcus Murriota throwing half the throws into the
43:32
Speaker 4: stands like so and Tyler Olgiar and Cordero Patterson running back.
43:37
Speaker 3: Now they got Bijon. I'm a fan of Desmond Ritterer.
43:39
Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to be like a superstar
43:41
Speaker 4: or anything, but I do think he could be an
43:43
Speaker 4: average ish quarterback in this league, or above average. He
43:46
Speaker 4: can get to that golf tire that's kind of like
43:49
Speaker 4: my threshold. Can he get to the golf tire? And
43:51
Speaker 4: I do think Rider can in a perfect world get
43:53
Speaker 4: to that, and they're giving him no excuses. So Falcons,
43:57
Speaker 4: I'm pretty bullshan because I do like their offense. I
44:00
Speaker 4: think their offense could be really, really good, and I
44:02
Speaker 4: think the defense they get an injection of talent as
44:05
Speaker 4: a defensive coordinator from the Saints that will kind of
44:07
Speaker 4: change things up of how he attacks, and I do
44:09
Speaker 4: like that. I think Dp's kind of ran this course
44:12
Speaker 4: as an NFL defensive coordinator. Even if I rarely respect
44:14
Speaker 4: coach Piece, but I really like where the Falcons are
44:17
Speaker 4: going as a team and I think they could surprise
44:19
Speaker 4: some people this year first sweep.
44:20
Speaker 1: Of course, we are in Atlanta Falcons podcast. We always
44:25
Speaker 1: have been, to our detriment. We always will be, because
44:29
Speaker 1: they are always the team that is undervalued in the
44:32
Speaker 1: market because you know why, they're an NFC South team
44:36
Speaker 1: and nobody gives a fuck. But if I can quote
44:39
Speaker 1: you back, Matt Mitchell did such good research before this podcast.
44:44
Speaker 1: It was one of the teams that he quoted you on. Okay, quote,
44:49
Speaker 1: this team is clearly all in on their weird offensive
44:52
Speaker 1: identity and I'm into it. I'm bullish on Arthur Smith
44:56
Speaker 1: and this actual positionless foot Simon, you can have one
45:03
Speaker 1: minute to give an answer for Ian from Egan's question
45:09
Speaker 1: about who is this year's Seattle. I don't want people
45:13
Speaker 1: to walk away from here not having your opinion on
45:16
Speaker 1: this question.
45:18
Speaker 2: My favorite left for dead. Nobody believes as US team
45:22
Speaker 2: easily this season's gonna be Arizona. Arizona, They're terrible, they've lost,
45:26
Speaker 2: They've got to the team. What do they have that's
45:29
Speaker 2: left though? Chad Kyler Murray and we know this kid
45:32
Speaker 2: when he's right. I mean, he's obviously one of the
45:34
Speaker 2: top five best quarterbacks in the NFC, Like the NFC
45:37
Speaker 2: just doesn't have good quarterbacks in that So to me,
45:40
Speaker 2: at four and a half, he's worth the risk of
45:41
Speaker 2: taking it over. It's like that Watson last year in Houston,
45:44
Speaker 2: where I think they're over under with six and a half,
45:46
Speaker 2: people are pounding the under. I think they might have
45:48
Speaker 2: went six and ten. But it's one of those where
45:51
Speaker 2: I agree Arizona's horrible. I don't thin they're gonna win
45:54
Speaker 2: any type of Super Bowl, but four and a half
45:56
Speaker 2: wins I could easily bet that over. It's same thing
45:58
Speaker 2: where Seahawks weren't that good of a tea, but they
46:00
Speaker 2: had the pieces there and they got lucky in different games.
46:02
Speaker 2: So to me, if Arizona keeps NWK Hopkins, they keep
46:05
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray head into the season, I don't hate them
46:08
Speaker 2: to be a team that could easily go over four
46:09
Speaker 2: and a half.
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