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The Story of Roy DeMeo_ The Mobster Who Became a Serial Killer(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan experience.
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  Speaker 2: How many bodies are they associating? How many dead people
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  Speaker 2: do they think could possibly be associated with this Philadelphia thing?
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  Speaker 3: Five missing?
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  Speaker 4: Those are amateur numbers, dude. Gilgo Beach was like 11.
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  Speaker 4: Come on. Yeah, I think they think it's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: More because of all the images.
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  Speaker 4: And the videos.
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  Speaker 2: They just don't know who the people are.
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  Speaker 1: They have that museum in Los Angeles, the Museum of
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  Speaker 1: Murder or Museum of Death. I think they have one
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  Speaker 1: in New Orleans, too.
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  Speaker 2: They have one like that in Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Zach Bagans. He's got this haunted museum, and it's got
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  Speaker 2: Ed Gaines stuff in there.
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  Speaker 1: They got John Wayne Gacy shoes, the clown shoes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's hilarious that someone had to bid on that. You're like,
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  Speaker 1: did we get the shoes? Yeah, I secured the shoes.
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  Speaker 2: They have Jack Kevorkian's van where he killed people.
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  Speaker 1: No way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a big one. That's a biggie. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they got the van. Damn. Yeah, you can step in
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  Speaker 2: the van.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Kevorkian's on the same level as those guys.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think so.
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  Speaker 1: He got consensual murder. Come on.
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  Speaker 2: But there's something weird about his paintings.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not. I don't think any of it's great.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But you can't put them in the same category as
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  Speaker 1: those guys.
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  Speaker 2: No, he's killing people that want to die because they're
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  Speaker 2: terminally ill.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Philadelphia House of Horrors. Having gone through roughly 30% of
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  Speaker 2: the files, investigators say in update that they have identified
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  Speaker 2: 58 people from the files.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: 10 of whom died in unrelated circumstances and many others
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  Speaker 2: who are still alive. They're still alive. Okay, so.
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  Speaker 4: Of millions of files.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, God. But it says 10 who died in unrelated
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  Speaker 2: circumstances and many others who are still alive. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: say how many of those people are dead. It says
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  Speaker 2: many who are still alive.
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  Speaker 1: It's like when you get COVID, but you had like
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  Speaker 1: a heart condition already or something.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Died with COVID.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Police have not found any bodies and caution. They cannot
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  Speaker 2: confirm any of the missing women are dead based solely
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  Speaker 2: on digital evidence.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I think once you find out that a guy
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  Speaker 2: has killed seven of them, you might be able to
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  Speaker 2: make an inference.
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  Speaker 1: And you really only need to get them on one, right?
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  Speaker 1: That's really the case.
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  Speaker 2: But I think they want to know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, of course they want to know. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's like.
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  Speaker 2: What's the substance?
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  Speaker 4: I think it's big barrels of probably acid or something.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot the name of the other book.
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  Speaker 4: Built into the house is the problem.
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  Speaker 3: The description of what it is isn't just like a
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  Speaker 3: barrel laying around in the corner of the garage. It
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  Speaker 3: was like tubes all over the place, down in the basement.
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  Speaker 1: Can you look? I don't know what the name of
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  Speaker 1: the book is. It's by Michelle McNamara about the East
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  Speaker 1: Area Rapist. That's an incredible book. I'll Be Gone in
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  Speaker 1: the Dark or something? It's about the guy who, it's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: What is it about?
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  Speaker 1: It's about the East area rapist in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: What's that one?
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  Speaker 1: He was, he was, he was just like a huge rapist.
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  Speaker 2: And so the guy, he's a pornographer who made snuff films. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's a, what is it?
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  Speaker 1: What is a snuff film?
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  Speaker 2: Snuff film is supposedly films where people actually die. What? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I thought it was a porn.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think for some people it is.
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  Speaker 3: There's a, Fucked up movie that Nick Cage made in
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  Speaker 3: the 90s or early 2000s called like eight millimeter.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah Once and I will not watch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was at the Palma. I think yeah, dude
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  Speaker 1: There's there was an era of Hollywood where they would
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  Speaker 1: film you Mickey Cone and those gangsters would film you
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  Speaker 1: in the 40s doing gay shit and they would blackmail
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  Speaker 1: you so they try to get all these big actors
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  Speaker 1: like the Humiliatrix the humiliatrix, but not I don't think
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  Speaker 1: with consent I think they really I don't think they
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  Speaker 1: want any part of that shit and the craziest story
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  Speaker 1: was Lana Turner is dating one of these gangsters. The
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  Speaker 1: big movie star, Lana Turner, is dating one of these gangsters,
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  Speaker 1: John Stimpanato, who's abusive as fuck, like charms her, won't
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  Speaker 1: leave her alone, sending her flowers on set. Good looking gangster,
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  Speaker 1: works for Mickey Cohen, crazy guy. And to the point
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  Speaker 1: that like, she's trying to break up with him. She's
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  Speaker 1: filming a movie with Sean Connery, who at the time
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  Speaker 1: was like a nobody in the 50s. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: in Europe somewhere. And he fucks with Connery and Connery
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  Speaker 1: fucking duck, he just knocks out a fucking gangster, no fear.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't care. Guy could have killed him. And later, after
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan Bonato is abusing the daughter, abusing Lana Turner, the
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  Speaker 1: story goes that she killed him, I think, but that
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  Speaker 1: the daughter killed him. But I read a book where
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  Speaker 1: it says she 100 percent killed him and put it
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  Speaker 1: on the daughter so she wouldn't go to prison for life.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that a crazy story?
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  Speaker 2: She killed a gangster.
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  Speaker 1: She shot him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he was abusing her for years and he would
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  Speaker 1: have he would have killed her probably. Dangerous dudes.
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  Speaker 2: But have you ever heard of Roy DeMeo?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: So Joey Diaz gave me this book called Murder Machine
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  Speaker 2: back in the day. And it's this guy, Roy DeMeo,
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  Speaker 2: who was some mob guy who just started killing people
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  Speaker 2: for whatever reason. And they had an apartment upstairs above
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  Speaker 2: this bar. And they would take people into the bar.
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  Speaker 2: They'd take him upstairs to the apartment, kill him, and
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  Speaker 2: cut him up in the bathtub. Oh, my God. And
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  Speaker 2: he just started doing it to a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: He started becoming, like, really sloppy because, like, no matter what,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't like the way he looked at him. Fuck
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  Speaker 2: this guy. Let's kill him. And he just got interested
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  Speaker 2: in just, like, taking people out. The book is horrifying.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: You guys sloppy how? Anyone sloppy with getting rid of
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  Speaker 1: the remains?
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  Speaker 4: Both.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he got caught eventually, but I think one of
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  Speaker 2: the things was he just got very eager to kill people.
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  Speaker 2: So he was killing people for unreasonable reasons. You know,
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  Speaker 2: in the beginning, I think he was killing people. He
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  Speaker 2: was probably contract killing people or killing people that disrespected
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  Speaker 2: somebody or that someone, you know, they had to get
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  Speaker 2: dealt with. And then he just started killing.
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  Speaker 1: Some guys holding up the line at the deli. You're like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to kill that guy, too.
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  Speaker 2: The buck's nuts because you start. You got to read
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  Speaker 2: this book, dog. Like, I'm reading the book. I'm like, geez,
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  Speaker 2: I think he's playing Roy DeMeo in a movie now.
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  Speaker 2: Joey is. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Dude, manifest.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: It is crazy. Yeah, he's got some, maybe I shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have said that.
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  Speaker 1: Joey's a good actor.
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  Speaker 2: It might be like private information, but either way.
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  Speaker 1: That's exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's a very good actor, but that book
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  Speaker 2: is fucking terrifying. That guy, his whole thing was like,
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  Speaker 2: there was a social club, like some sort of a
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  Speaker 2: bar that was downstairs. See if you can find that story.
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  Speaker 2: Can I grab a drink?
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  Speaker 1: Is there any alcohol?
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  Speaker 2: The Gemini Lounge, this.
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  Speaker 4: Whole situation called the Gemini Method.
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  Speaker 2: Jamie, please order us two glasses with ice and a
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  Speaker 2: bottle of that Buffalo Trace that almost got you killed.
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  Speaker 1: Dude. That was like what I'd look forward to at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the weekend was just the drinks.
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  Speaker 2: The Gemini Method. 1970s progressed. DeMeo cultivated his followers into
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  Speaker 2: a crew of experienced with the process of murdering and
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  Speaker 2: dismembering victims. With the exceptions of Killing intended to send
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  Speaker 2: a message to anyone who would hinder their criminal activities
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  Speaker 2: or murders that presented no other alternative. A set method
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  Speaker 2: of execution was established by the DiMeo crew to ensure
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  Speaker 2: the victims would be dispatched quickly and then made to disappear.
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  Speaker 2: Style of execution was dubbed the Gemini method after the
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  Speaker 2: Gemini Lounge, a bar which served as the crew's primary hangout,
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  Speaker 2: as well as a site where most of their victims
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  Speaker 2: were killed. The process of the Gemini method, as revealed
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  Speaker 2: by multiple crew members and associates who became government witnesses
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  Speaker 2: in the early 1980s, was to lure the victim through
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  Speaker 2: the side door of the lounge and into an apartment
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  Speaker 2: in the back portion of the building. At this point,
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  Speaker 2: a crew member, almost always DeMeo, according to member-turned-government witness
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  Speaker 2: Frederick DeNome, would approach with a silenced pistol in one
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  Speaker 2: hand and a towel in the other, shooting the victim
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  Speaker 2: in the head. and then wrapping the towel around the
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  Speaker 2: victim's head wound like a turban to staunch the blood flow.
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  Speaker 2: Immediately afterward, another member of the crew, originally Rosenberg, would
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  Speaker 2: stab the victim in the heart to prevent more blood
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  Speaker 2: from pumping out of the gunshot wound. Wow, they had
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  Speaker 2: a method. By then, the victim would be dead, at
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  Speaker 2: which point the body would be stripped of clothing and
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  Speaker 2: dragged into a bathroom where the remaining blood drained out
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  Speaker 2: or congealed within the body. This was to eliminate the
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  Speaker 2: messiness of the next step, when crew members would place
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  Speaker 2: the body into plastic sheets laid out in the main
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  Speaker 2: room and proceed to dismember it, cutting off the arms, legs,
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  Speaker 2: and head.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of work.
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  Speaker 2: Following dismemberment, the body parts would then be put into bags,
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  Speaker 2: placed in cardboard boxes, and sent to the Fountain Avenue
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  Speaker 2: landfill in Brooklyn. So many tons of garbage were dropped
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  Speaker 2: each day at the landfill, it would be nearly impossible
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  Speaker 2: for the bodies to be discovered. During the initial stages
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  Speaker 2: of an early 1980s investigation targeting DeMeo crew, a plan
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  Speaker 2: by authorities to excavate sections of the dump to locate
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  Speaker 2: remains was aborted when it was deemed too costly and
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  Speaker 2: unlikely to locate any meaningful evidence. The landfill opposite the
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  Speaker 2: Starrett City apartment complex in East New York was closed
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  Speaker 2: in 1985, capped over, and converted into parkland. There's a
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  Speaker 2: park there where there's dead people dismembered underneath it. Some
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  Speaker 2: victims were killed in other ways for varying reasons. At times,
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  Speaker 2: suspected informants or those who committed an act of disrespect
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  Speaker 2: against a member of the crew or their superiors had
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  Speaker 2: their bodies left in the streets to serve as a
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  Speaker 2: message and a warning. How many people did he kill?
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  Speaker 2: Put that into perplexity.
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  Speaker 1: It just seems like so much work to do all
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  Speaker 1: this shit. Like, just talk out your shit.
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  Speaker 2: I think he probably enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, clearly, but it's just.
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  Speaker 2: Look at that list of people.
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  Speaker 1: That's your whole day.
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  Speaker 2: Bro, look at that list.
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  Speaker 1: Between killing and disposing, that's got to be, what, four hours?
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  Speaker 2: Fun.
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  Speaker 1: How long do you think that takes?
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  Speaker 2: Talk some shit, drink a couple drinks, smoke a cigar.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole process to let the blood drain.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, hang with the boys. Put another notch on the wall.
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  Speaker 2: Play that Queen song. Damn, that's a lot. Bites of dust.
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  Speaker 1: How many is this?
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  Speaker 2: One, two, three, four, five. She started in 73. And
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  Speaker 2: he did it all the way up to.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't kill Mickey Spillane.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Mickey Spillane's a writer.
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  Speaker 2: It's a boss.
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  Speaker 3: Mob boss.
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  Speaker 2: Irish mob boss shot five times, killed outside his apartment
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  Speaker 2: building in Woodside, Queens by DeMeo and Grillo as a
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  Speaker 2: favor to Coonan. Oh, another Irish mob boss. So they
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  Speaker 2: had the Italian mob killing the Irish mob.
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  Speaker 1: This is a lot of names.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he started killing his own guys. Look at this one.
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  Speaker 2: Scroll up a little bit. Right there, Danny Grillo. A
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  Speaker 2: longtime member of the DeMeo crew was killed and dismembered
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  Speaker 2: by DeMeo, Rosenberg, and Center and Testa. for racking up
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  Speaker 2: gambling debts and falling into drug addiction. They were just
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: finding reasons to kill people. Oh, he owes money. This
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  Speaker 2: piece of shit.
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  Speaker 1: Gambling debts and drugs, though, if you're in a gang,
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  Speaker 1: that's got to be a no. That's why they killed
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  Speaker 1: Chrissy in The Sopranos.
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  Speaker 2: Gary Gardine was shot and killed by Rosenberg after he
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  Speaker 2: failed to pay him back from a marijuana deal. Gardine
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  Speaker 2: was found inside the trunk of his torch car. Cocaine dealer. Shot, stabbed, dismembered.
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  Speaker 2: For being a suspected informant.
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  Speaker 1: That's a fair reason.
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  Speaker 4: Dispute over copying porn films on this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. He stabbed. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Even duplicating a porno film back then probably took a while.
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  Speaker 1: You got to do two VCRs. That's a whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: In 79, I don't even think they had VCRs. Here's a.
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  Speaker 2: Todaro was shot by DeMeo and stabbed by Rosenberg after
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  Speaker 2: his nephew hired the DeMeo crew to murder him due
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: to a dispute over the building in which they duplicated
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  Speaker 2: pornographic films.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Someone was shot. Here's a good killing. Scott Cafaro
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  Speaker 2: was shot multiple times by a DiMeo crew at the
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: behest of a rape victim's family. All right.
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  Speaker 4: We'll look at the one below it. Mistaken.
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  Speaker 2: Ragucci, a college student and door-to-door salesman, was mistaken for
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  Speaker 2: a Cuban hitman. Parked outside DiMeo's home, DiMeo chased Ragucci
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  Speaker 2: from Massapequa Park to Suffolk County and shot him seven
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  Speaker 2: times after he crashed his car.
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  Speaker 1: Goddamn.
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  Speaker 2: Whew.
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  Speaker 4: You're 18 and he thought you were a Cuban hitman?
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  Speaker 2: Look, he killed Rosenberg. Look at this. Rosenberg was shot
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  Speaker 2: and killed by DeMeo and Center to avoid a war
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  Speaker 2: with a Cuban drug cartel over a March 1979 cocaine
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  Speaker 2: ripoff murders caused by Rosenberg. So he's like killing his boys.
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  Speaker 2: The guys that he was killing people with, he killed them.
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  Speaker 2: It must be just wild. Just killed....
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  Speaker 1: This list is insane. This has gone on for two.
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  Speaker 1: This is like the NBA draft. This is that many names.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: This is like 60 names.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, he was a legitimate serial killer.
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  Speaker 1: Who's Constance Burr? Ooh, another informant.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Informants. There's a lot of need to get rid
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  Speaker 2: of a guy, but there's a lot of people that
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  Speaker 2: just decide, fuck this guy. Yeah. Damn. That's a lot
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: of people. I think he just got super comfortable with
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  Speaker 2: killing people. The book is insane because it goes in
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  Speaker 2: great detail about how he did it and what he did.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, it's very, it's, I don't know why those,
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  Speaker 2: it's so disturbing because you know that people, thanks, sir,
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  Speaker 2: people are very malleable. You know, like you get used to,
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  Speaker 2: like kids get used to living in war zones.
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  Speaker 4: True.
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  Speaker 2: Like you, that's normal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you grow up, if you're like in the
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  Speaker 1: Sudan or something and you're a child soldier, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's just your life. But cheers, bro.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: Cheers, sir. Cheers. Good to see you, my brother.
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: Good to see you, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Always.