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- 1:13Speaker 1: to China will join four hundred other guests, including diplomats
- 1:16Speaker 1: from our Five Eyes partners, at a black tie ball
- 1:19Speaker 1: on the Great Wall of China in a fortnight. That's
- 1:22Speaker 1: the latest from Will Glasgow, the Australian's North Asia correspondent
- 1:26Speaker 1: and the first Australian journalist invited back to Beijing. In
- 1:30Speaker 1: today's episode A Correspondent's Long and Winding Road back to China.
- 1:46Speaker 4: My way overordered was delicious, but I did not need
- 1:49Speaker 4: that well beef noodle suit, not with the cucumber garlic
- 1:54Speaker 4: dish and the spinach peanut dish and the beef coomin skewer.
- 2:01Speaker 1: That's The Australian's North Asia correspondent Will Glasgow. He's back
- 2:05Speaker 1: in his old stomping ground, Beijing's Donjamen district for the
- 2:09Speaker 1: first time in four years.
- 2:11Speaker 4: I got to work on my portion sizes.
- 2:13Speaker 5: I got to adjust.
- 2:14Speaker 1: Donjamen is one of Beijing's more expat friendly neighborhoods, with
- 2:18Speaker 1: journalists like Will as well as diplomats and business people
- 2:21Speaker 1: historically calling it home. These days, it's buzzing with locals
- 2:25Speaker 1: and domestic travelers out to see the sites. It's summer
- 2:29Speaker 1: in Beijing and the sky is a clear, glittering blue.
- 2:34Speaker 1: Will was invited to return to Beijing by the Chinese government,
- 2:37Speaker 1: and so with Camber's blessing, he set off.
- 2:40Speaker 2: So my passport's over with the Exit and Entry Immigration
- 2:44Speaker 2: Office of the Public Security Bureau, and as long as
- 2:48Speaker 2: I get the green light from then I've got a
- 2:52Speaker 2: residency permit to allow me to be a foreign journalist
- 2:55Speaker 2: in China for the next year.
- 2:57Speaker 1: Last week, Will became the first Australian journalists to be
- 3:00Speaker 1: granted media credentials since twenty twenty. Will had been living
- 3:06Speaker 1: and working in China for six months when in twenty
- 3:09Speaker 1: twenty he returned to Australia to get his wife. The
- 3:12Speaker 1: COVID nineteen pandemic, which originated in China, was gathering steam
- 3:16Speaker 1: and things were getting tense. They had an exemption to
- 3:20Speaker 1: return to China after a stint in hotel quarantine, but
- 3:23Speaker 1: Will was advised against boarding his return flight by Australian
- 3:27Speaker 1: officials shortly before they were due to depart. Will's been
- 3:30Speaker 1: living in Taipei since twenty twenty one. Will was one
- 3:37Speaker 1: of dozens of foreign journalists who left China in twenty twenty.
- 3:40Speaker 1: Some departures were voluntary, but most were ordered out.
- 3:44Speaker 6: China has defended its decision to expel more than a
- 3:47Speaker 6: dozen American journalists and also bar them from working in
- 3:51Speaker 6: Hong Kong. Beijing says that it is within its rights
- 3:54Speaker 6: and has threatened further action. This latest diplomatic row was
- 3:58Speaker 6: triggered last month when Washington forced Chinese state media outlets
- 4:03Speaker 6: to register as foreign embassies.
- 4:05Speaker 1: Australia's relationship with the People's Republic was on the rocks too.
- 4:09Speaker 1: The Government of the day, led by Scott Morrison, back
- 4:12Speaker 1: to an international inquiry into the origins of the pandemic,
- 4:15Speaker 1: a move that didn't go down well with the Chinese
- 4:17Speaker 1: Communist Party. Will A lot has happened in the last
- 4:22Speaker 1: four years. Has any of that been on your mind
- 4:25Speaker 1: as you've made this return to Beijing? Are you scared?
- 4:28Speaker 5: I'm not scared. I'm not scared, but it is on
- 4:32Speaker 5: my mind of course, right. I mean, I didn't just
- 4:35Speaker 5: get a letter from the Chinese government and then book
- 4:37Speaker 5: a ticket and fly over here. I think listeners will
- 4:40Speaker 5: be amazed at how long this process has.
- 4:42Speaker 3: Gone on for.
- 4:43Speaker 5: I mean I've literally been back and forth conversations with
- 4:47Speaker 5: the Chinese in a quite a focused way on whether
- 4:49Speaker 5: this was possible or not for more than eighteen months.
- 4:52Speaker 5: Foreign reporters, we have a lot of hurdles for how
- 4:56Speaker 5: we do things, like one getting access to the internet,
- 5:00Speaker 5: like everyone in China has that problem because of the
- 5:02Speaker 5: Great Firewall, and that's got worse.
- 5:04Speaker 3: Right, that's just.
- 5:04Speaker 5: A simple one that frustrates every day that you're trying
- 5:08Speaker 5: to do your job here. But we have the problem
- 5:11Speaker 5: of getting people to speak to us, right because of
- 5:13Speaker 5: the propaganda machine that demonizes as foreign media and has
- 5:17Speaker 5: created such suspicion and nervousness amongst Chinese people here and
- 5:22Speaker 5: amongst Chinese experts, and even amongst Chinese government officials, who
- 5:27Speaker 5: for the most part decline interview requests from foreign media
- 5:32Speaker 5: because they just see it as too risky. And one
- 5:35Speaker 5: of the big challenges for Australian media as we come
- 5:37Speaker 5: back to China is navigating that extreme distrust that our
- 5:42Speaker 5: readers have about this place because of so much of
- 5:46Speaker 5: the things that have happened over the last four years.
- 5:48Speaker 1: You know, you've been running around all over town having
- 5:51Speaker 1: meetings and chatting with Chinese officials since you got back.
- 5:54Speaker 1: How has your arrival been received this time around? Are
- 5:57Speaker 1: you finding you having to tread more carefully the.
- 6:00Speaker 3: Various meanings I've had.
- 6:02Speaker 5: There's sort of different times, some are quite kurt and
- 6:04Speaker 5: brief affairs others are much more expansive and much more
- 6:07Speaker 5: of a back and forth. And one of the real
- 6:10Speaker 5: striking takeaways is they're very aware that I am the
- 6:14Speaker 5: first Australian journalist from Australian media returning here. They're very
- 6:18Speaker 5: aware of that, right, and so there's a bit of
- 6:21Speaker 5: attempts by them to flatter me for that, you know,
- 6:24Speaker 5: and impress on me what a great opportunity is and
- 6:27Speaker 5: impress on me my role as a.
- 6:29Speaker 3: Bridge builder between Australia and China.
- 6:31Speaker 5: And look, I just repeat to them what my job is,
- 6:33Speaker 5: which is to serve my readers, and that's what I'm
- 6:36Speaker 5: here for. My job's to do my job as best
- 6:40Speaker 5: I can and as accurately tell the story about China
- 6:43Speaker 5: right now what it means for Australia. But it's clear
- 6:47Speaker 5: there's a desire to impress on me that I'd wanted here.
- 6:51Speaker 3: That I'm going to be safe.
- 6:53Speaker 5: The return is being welcomed by bits of the Chinese
- 6:56Speaker 5: system that said I wouldn't over do it, right. I mean,
- 6:59Speaker 5: you can see the very opposite, and I've experienced the
- 7:01Speaker 5: very opposite. There's definitely parts of the Chinese system that
- 7:05Speaker 5: would much rather I wasn't here right.
- 7:07Speaker 3: They think that having no.
- 7:09Speaker 5: Australian journalists in China was a pretty wonderful situation and
- 7:12Speaker 5: long may that have lasted, right, And so there's nervousness
- 7:15Speaker 5: from bits of definitely well nervousness and perhaps a bit
- 7:19Speaker 5: of grumbling about the return of on Australian journalists and
- 7:23Speaker 5: from those parts of the Chinese state there are concerns
- 7:26Speaker 5: that you know, am I the first of a number.
- 7:28Speaker 3: I mean, we'll find out.
- 7:29Speaker 1: Right coming up what's happening below the surface of Beijing's
- 7:36Speaker 1: impressive facelift. We'll be back after the break.
- 7:56Speaker 3: Out for a.
- 7:56Speaker 2: Stroll along the Liangma River, which when I live Tea
- 8:00Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty was well was it dump?
- 8:04Speaker 3: I mean quite literally it was just full of rubbish.
- 8:06Speaker 3: It was disgusting. It was building works all along it.
- 8:09Speaker 1: The Beijing will Glasgow has returned to after four years
- 8:12Speaker 1: in Taipei is a different city to the one he left.
- 8:15Speaker 1: That's because it's had a pretty major facelift in places.
- 8:19Speaker 2: Well, it turns out they were building a greenway park
- 8:21Speaker 2: that runs all the way along the river to chow
- 8:25Speaker 2: Young Park links it up and it's I have to admit,
- 8:28Speaker 2: it's really beautiful.
- 8:29Speaker 3: It's really popular.
- 8:30Speaker 2: It's full of walkers and people fishing, and I can
- 8:34Speaker 2: see up ahead people kayaking and even some people swimming,
- 8:37Speaker 2: which if you tell me four years ago people would
- 8:41Speaker 2: swim in this thing, I would have just well, I
- 8:43Speaker 2: would have been horrified. Frankly, I'd be worried about their health.
- 8:45Speaker 3: But people look pretty happy doing it.
- 8:48Speaker 1: Will's a dedicated runner, and he's enjoying running along the
- 8:51Speaker 1: river in his old neighborhood without a mask designed to
- 8:54Speaker 1: protect him from Beijing's notorious air pollution. Nowadays, the city,
- 8:59Speaker 1: once dubbed Airport sometimes boast air quality almost as good
- 9:02Speaker 1: as Sydney. The sky has been clear and bright, with
- 9:06Speaker 1: heavy summer storms washing away the last remnants of pollution.
- 9:11Speaker 1: In Beijing's the glitzy Chao Young district, the once famous
- 9:14Speaker 1: Opposite House boutique hotel sits vacant. Its doors were closed
- 9:19Speaker 1: just last month, a symbol of the economic uncertainty bubbling
- 9:23Speaker 1: just under the surface of this gussied up city.
- 9:26Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a funny thing.
- 9:28Speaker 5: In whats of ways, Beijing looks wealthier than it was
- 9:31Speaker 5: when I left, right, I mean, maybe it's just so
- 9:34Speaker 5: long out of the country, and just the jarring sight
- 9:37Speaker 5: of seeing cashed up Beijing is out in posh shopping
- 9:42Speaker 5: centers and sandy turned buying lots of stuff. It's just
- 9:45Speaker 5: a very visual reminder that there is a lot of
- 9:49Speaker 5: money still being spent in the Chinese economy. That's real, right,
- 9:52Speaker 5: But Beijing is not representative of much of China at all. Right,
- 9:57Speaker 5: it's a very wealthy, privileged part of this warness country.
- 10:01Speaker 5: And Stanleyton is a really unrepresentative part of Beijing. So
- 10:05Speaker 5: you know, you have to just remember most Chinese aren't
- 10:08Speaker 5: living lives anything like that. But you know, we're still
- 10:11Speaker 5: talking about five percent growth, so it's not nothing. And
- 10:14Speaker 5: across the Chinese economy you see this price war. It's
- 10:18Speaker 5: even in dentists in Beijing, where customers are negotiating down
- 10:23Speaker 5: what they'll pay to.
- 10:24Speaker 3: Get a tooth filling.
- 10:25Speaker 5: It's happened to me in my own experience here at
- 10:27Speaker 5: the gym, and just across the Chinese economy, people are
- 10:31Speaker 5: arguing prices down and there's actually deflation in the Chinese economy,
- 10:37Speaker 5: not inflation.
- 10:38Speaker 3: Prices are going down here.
- 10:39Speaker 5: So there's a really weird mismatch in this moment of
- 10:43Speaker 5: the Chinese economy between its headline economic numbers which have
- 10:48Speaker 5: helped Australian exporters, and we continue the Australian economy continues
- 10:52Speaker 5: to make a lot of money from There's a big
- 10:54Speaker 5: gap with how people in China are feeling, and you
- 10:58Speaker 5: just talk to people here and they're doing it tough.
- 11:01Speaker 5: A lot of people are finding things pretty grim and
- 11:04Speaker 5: they're very concerned about the outlook here. The Chinese government
- 11:08Speaker 5: knows about the problems. They're taking them very seriously and
- 11:12Speaker 5: trying to fix them. But we just don't know if
- 11:15Speaker 5: they're going to be successful or not. But we do
- 11:17Speaker 5: know that it's going to have an enormous impact on Australia.
- 11:21Speaker 5: Whether they're successful or they're not successful, or they kind
- 11:25Speaker 5: of muddle through. Either way, we're going to feel it
- 11:27Speaker 5: back in Australia.
- 11:33Speaker 1: Book Glasgow is The Australian's North Asia correspondent. You can
- 11:39Speaker 1: read all about his longer way to return to Beijing
- 11:41Speaker 1: and see pictures and videos of the city four years
- 11:43Speaker 1: on right now at the Australian dot com dot au