Latest / The Piano Maven with Jed Distler / Richter at Carnegie Hall, October 1960 - The Back Story
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- 0:07This is Jed Disler and welcome to the Piano Maven,
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- 0:35throughout the year back in 1996 I wrote an article
- 0:41for the magazine International Classical Record
- 0:44Collector, and this article focused upon the
- 0:48Columbia Masterworks label's rare and long out
- 0:53-of -print series of LP releases devoted to the
- 0:58pianist Sviatoslav Richter and his October 1960
- 1:03Carnegie Hall concerts. These took place during
- 1:08the pianist's first visit to North America. After
- 1:12Richter began to travel in the West, he quickly
- 1:16became an international sensation, and most of
- 1:20the major classical labels jumped on the Richter
- 1:23bandwagon, so to speak, including companies like
- 1:26RCA Victor, EMI, Deutsche Grammophon, who already
- 1:31had recorded Richter, the Phillips label, and
- 1:35British Decca. Although these record companies
- 1:39generally kept their Richter material in print,
- 1:44that Columbia Masterworks Carnegie Hall series
- 1:48proved to be rather elusive for many, many years.
- 1:52The LPs went out of print not too long after
- 1:56they first appeared. And I always wondered...
- 2:01why the folks controlling the Columbia catalog
- 2:04seemed hesitant or even reluctant to ever reissue
- 2:10these recordings. After all, Richter was Richter,
- 2:14and Richter collectors are obsessive maniacs
- 2:18who will buy anything with this pianist's name
- 2:21attached to it. I should know because I am a
- 2:25reformed Richter -holic, shall we say. Anyway,
- 2:29back in 1996, is that really 30 years ago? Yes,
- 2:34it is. I decided to do some detective work. about
- 2:39these recordings. And as a result, I managed
- 2:43to uncover this really fascinating story full
- 2:46of intrigue and strange happenings behind the
- 2:50scenes. And this was due to a number of people
- 2:54I interviewed, several who wished to remain anonymous
- 2:58at the time. But for the most part, Skyler Chapin
- 3:09was the director of artists and repertoire at
- 3:14Columbia Masterworks in the late 50s and early
- 3:1760s. He then went on to become vice president
- 3:20of Lincoln Center, and later he was the Metropolitan
- 3:24Opera's general manager. And when I met him in
- 3:281996, he was the commissioner for New York's
- 3:31Department of Cultural Affairs. So I'll tell
- 3:35you the story about how these recordings of Richter
- 3:38at Carnegie Hall came about and what eventually
- 3:41happened to them. But first, let me give you
- 3:43a little background context. After the death
- 3:47of Joseph Stalin in 1953, performers from the
- 3:52Soviet Union very gradually started to appear
- 3:55in the West. loosening up the Iron Curtain just
- 3:59a little bit, at least in terms of arts. And
- 4:03in the U .S., we started to get bits and pieces
- 4:06of cultural exchange. And this was due in part
- 4:10to the legendary concert manager and promoter
- 4:13Saul Herock. For example, Saul Herock brought...
- 4:18David Oistrakh over here, and that caused a huge,
- 4:22huge sensation, of course, launching David Oistrakh's
- 4:26international career. And the same thing happened
- 4:29with the pianist Emil Gilels. Apparently, Gilels
- 4:33told American journalists who were praising him
- 4:37to the skies, he said something to the effect
- 4:40of, hey, if you think I'm good, wait until you
- 4:43hear Sviatoslav Richter. Now, Richter, already
- 4:48was a superstar in his native Russia back in
- 4:52the 1950s. He had started getting noticed in
- 4:56the 1940s as one of the prize pupils of the great
- 5:00Russian piano teacher Heinrich Neuhaus. And Richter
- 5:05also had a close association with Sergei Prokofiev.
- 5:08He performed Prokofiev's Sixth. piano sonata
- 5:13at the composer's request, and then he later
- 5:16gave the world premiere of the Prokofiev Seventh
- 5:19Sonata, as well as the Ninth Sonata. By the 1950s,
- 5:25Richter's melodia label recordings had begun
- 5:28circulating in the West on various labels through
- 5:33all kinds of licensing agreements. And he also
- 5:36recorded in Prague and in Warsaw for Deutsche
- 5:40Grammophon, including recordings of the Rachmaninoff
- 5:44Second and Prokofiev Fifth piano concertos, some
- 5:48Rachmaninoff Preludes, works of Schumann. And
- 5:51these recordings were getting a lot of notice.
- 5:54But it was a 1958 performance of Mussorgsky's
- 5:58pictures at an exhibition recorded live in Sofia,
- 6:02Bulgaria, that turned a lot of heads around.
- 6:05And it was my late friend Harris Goldsmith who
- 6:09wrote about this recording of pictures, claiming
- 6:12it to be the best one he ever heard, or words
- 6:15to that effect. And in fact, when Columbia issued
- 6:19that recording of pictures, it quoted Harris
- 6:22Goldsmith. Columbia also brought out further
- 6:25selections from that same 1958 concert, including
- 6:29some incredible Liszt transcendental etudes.
- 6:33But still, Richter was kind of a man of mystery.
- 6:37And whenever the question came up of his possibly
- 6:41coming over to the United States. The official
- 6:44word was always that he was ill or he was unavailable.
- 6:48However, that was about to change in 1960, as
- 6:53Scholar Chapin told me. Mr. Chapin told me, and
- 6:57I quote from my article, he said, One morning,
- 7:01I saw a piece in the New York Times that indicated
- 7:04that Richter was actually coming to perform in
- 7:07America, and the tour was to be presented by
- 7:11Saul Hirok, who had a special in with Goss Concert,
- 7:15the Russian musical agency, and he also had an
- 7:19in with RCA Red Seal, which of course is now
- 7:22BMG. And between my colleague Alan Keyes, who
- 7:27was the head of A &R at Red Seal, and George
- 7:31Marek, who was sort of a guru over the whole
- 7:34RCA Red Seal A &R operation, there wasn't any
- 7:38way for me to break into that channel. However...
- 7:43Skylar Chapin had heard through the industry
- 7:46grapevine that recordings were no longer Goss
- 7:51Concert's responsibility, and he told me that
- 7:54Russian recordings were now to be handled through
- 7:58an organization called Mezhkunika, I think. which
- 8:02is known more as MK. Some of you may recall there
- 8:07was a label called MK that was bringing out a
- 8:10lot of melodia recordings in the U .S. Anyway,
- 8:14MK was a firm that also represented Russian writers,
- 8:17and it dealt with copyrights in terms of Russian
- 8:22performers. And this implied that Richter was
- 8:26free to record for firms other than RCA Victor.
- 8:31So Mr. Chapin continued. He said, I put in a
- 8:36call to Goddard Lieberson, who was the president
- 8:38of Columbia Records, who was my boss and a wonderful
- 8:42man. He had not seen the New York Times article.
- 8:47So I told Goddard that I wanted to go after Richter,
- 8:51but I would have to give Richter something. And
- 8:54Lieberson was very much against the idea of large
- 8:58advances in royalties, and his crack back to
- 9:01me was, well, why don't you give Richter Cuba?
- 9:04In the meantime, MK had an American representative
- 9:10who approached me with the idea that Richter
- 9:14might be available for recordings in America.
- 9:18A meeting was set up, and Mr. Chapin remembered
- 9:21that MK's representative was this rather odd
- 9:26character in his early 20s, and he was accompanied
- 9:30by a woman who was wearing a very revealing outfit.
- 9:37And Mr. Chapin said to me that there was an instant
- 9:41sleaziness. about the whole thing but richter
- 9:46was richter and if these weird people were the
- 9:49ones who allegedly had control over where and
- 9:54for whom richter was going to record then i wanted
- 9:58to deal with them so clive davis who was then
- 10:02columbia's lawyer and later he was responsible
- 10:06for launching the recording careers of people
- 10:08like janice joplin and whitney houston clive
- 10:12davis accompanied Chapin to a second meeting
- 10:15with these people, and a deal was made. $60 ,000
- 10:20paid to MK for the rights to record Richter's
- 10:26five Carnegie Hall recitals. But Mr. Chapin was
- 10:30uncomfortable with the deal, he admitted to me.
- 10:34He said that, well, first of all, I had great
- 10:37admiration for Saul Herak, who once had asked
- 10:40me to work for him. Now, I didn't mind beating
- 10:44somebody out of the competition, but from the
- 10:47beginning this deal had a very tacky quality
- 10:50to it. For instance, Chapin was curious how these
- 10:56concerts were to be recorded, and he told me
- 11:00that The first indication that something wasn't
- 11:03kosher was that when I suggested that Columbia
- 11:07Masterworks tape the concerts with our equipment
- 11:10and our engineers, the MK folks said no. The
- 11:16recordings were made using Carnegie Hall's in
- 11:21-house recording facility, which is a service
- 11:24available to artists who want their concerts
- 11:27taped for their own private use. It seemed that
- 11:32MK most likely paid Carnegie Hall to record the
- 11:36Richter concerts, but one source indicated that
- 11:40the tapes were made at the behest of the Saul
- 11:43Hurok organization. Anyway, these tapes were
- 11:47delivered to Columbia Masterworks, and Skyler
- 11:51Chapin had mixed feelings about what he heard
- 11:54from the very beginning. He told me that There
- 11:57were wonderfully brilliant moments, but there
- 12:00were things that could pass in a recital that
- 12:03would not stand up to repeated listenings, and
- 12:07the sound was spotty and not very good. So after
- 12:11I listened through the tapes, I told the MK representative
- 12:16that I wanted Richter's approval. I then received
- 12:22a telegram signed by Richter. who gave his permission
- 12:26to release the tapes. However, I was sensible
- 12:30enough to notice that the telegram was addressed
- 12:34from Washington, D .C., and Richter was here
- 12:37in New York. So it seemed to me that the Soviets
- 12:41were just sending their approval in the colossally
- 12:45arrogant way in which they dealt with their artists
- 12:48and citizens traveling to the U .S. So I turned
- 12:52to Isaac Stern, who was a great pal of all the
- 12:56Russian performers, and I asked him to contact
- 13:00Richter in person. So Richter wrote a letter
- 13:04to Isaac Stern in Russian, begging us not to
- 13:08release these records, that he was nervous, that
- 13:11he was not happy with the performances, and that
- 13:14it was an embarrassment. and that he would be
- 13:18deeply grateful if these tapes could be forgotten.
- 13:21So Mr. Chapin went on to tell me that there was
- 13:25nothing that I could do about the first two volumes,
- 13:28which were two double albums on Columbia Masterworks
- 13:33that were about to come out. But I decided to
- 13:37do as Richter requested, and I canceled the further
- 13:40volumes. So naturally, Columbia had invested
- 13:45$60 ,000 in this project, which counted for much,
- 13:49much more money in 1960 than in 1996. So I went
- 13:56to see Goddard, and I told him the whole story,
- 13:59including Richter's letter to Isaac Stern. I
- 14:03knew then that it was a big mistake that cost
- 14:06the record company $60 ,000, which had already
- 14:10been paid out to the folks at MK, and perhaps
- 14:15Goddard would want my resignation. So Mr. Chapin
- 14:20went on to say that, I remember vividly, and
- 14:24I will take to my dying day, the fact that Goddard
- 14:28was writing something at his desk when I was
- 14:31talking to him. He just looked up at me and said,
- 14:34You'll never do that again, and went back to
- 14:38writing. From the outset, I realized that I had
- 14:42went about this opportunity to get Richter in
- 14:46the wrong way. I left Goddard's office, and I
- 14:49thought to myself, Okay, that's the last time
- 14:53that you try to play wiseass because you wanted
- 14:56to do something to beat out the competition.
- 14:58And this is just not your way of doing things.
- 15:01So take a lesson from this. And it's a lesson
- 15:06I have never forgotten. Now, what's ironic is
- 15:09that Columbia did release volumes three and four
- 15:13of Sviatoslav Richter at Carnegie Hall. and like
- 15:18volumes one and two these records did not enjoy
- 15:23a long catalog life but in 1970 Japanese Sony
- 15:29brought out the entire Richter Carnegie Hall
- 15:34series in single disc volumes numbered 1 through
- 15:387 because the American and British editions were
- 15:42double albums except for volume 3, which was
- 15:45just one disc. So volume 1, 2, and 4 were double
- 15:50albums and volume 3 was a single disc. But in
- 15:54addition to these, Japanese Sony issued two LPs
- 15:59worth of previously unissued material from these
- 16:03Carnegie Hall concerts. For instance, their Volume
- 16:068 contained the Schumann C Major Fantasy, the
- 16:10Scriabin Fifth Sonata, Chopin Fourth Scherzo,
- 16:13and Ravel Jeudot, and the Pavane for a Dead Princess.
- 16:17And Volume 9 consisted of encores from all of
- 16:22the recitals. that weren't released before. The
- 16:26only encore that wasn't there, or one of the
- 16:28few encores that wasn't there, was a repeat of
- 16:31the finale from Prokofiev's Sonata No. 8. I think
- 16:35after Richter had played the whole sonata, he
- 16:38didn't feel satisfied with how he played the
- 16:41finale, so he just repeated it. Copies of these
- 16:45two Japanese discs were extremely scarce, and
- 16:49at one time they commanded... Anywhere from $125
- 16:53to $5 ,000 per disc on the out -of -print market,
- 16:58I remember. So for years, this Carnegie Hall
- 17:02series was kind of a holy grail for Richter collectors.
- 17:06I remember in the late 80s, I think, that my
- 17:10friend Tim Page played the entire Richter series,
- 17:15at least the ones issued in America. over a period
- 17:19of five days on his radio program, New, Old,
- 17:22and Unexpected. And then fast forward to the
- 17:25mid -1990s when Phillips authorized Richter edition
- 17:31and dozens of releases from independent labels
- 17:35were indicating that there was a big peak in
- 17:39the Richter market for whatever reason. there
- 17:43were questions as to whether or not Sony Classical
- 17:46should consider reissuing the Carnegie Hall series
- 17:50on CD. Because, you know, after all, these recordings
- 17:54had legitimately appeared on LP. But then, on
- 17:58the other hand, Richter strongly disapproved
- 18:00of the performances. But more importantly, it
- 18:04wasn't clear for years if Sony Classical owned
- 18:11the master tapes outright and had the rights
- 18:14to them. According to one source of mine, the
- 18:19recordings had been leased from MK to Columbia
- 18:24Masterworks for 10 years, giving Columbia the
- 18:28rights to use the tapes up until 1970. And at
- 18:32one point in the 1970s, there was talk about
- 18:35reissuing them, but by then Columbia's rights
- 18:38have expired. And then at the time of Richter's
- 18:42death in 1997, MK still existed as an independent
- 18:48firm, and they may have still been the rightful
- 18:52owners, even if they did not physically possess
- 18:55the master tapes. So this whole series remained
- 19:00in limbo. Now, the Do -Re -Mi label brought out
- 19:04an unauthorized version of the Richter Carnegie
- 19:07Hall series on CD. However, in 2015, the folks
- 19:13at Sony BMG asked me to write booklet notes for
- 19:18a box set that was going to contain Richter's
- 19:22complete live and studio recordings for RCA in
- 19:27Columbia, which would include all of the October
- 19:311960 Carnegie Hall. recordings that appeared
- 19:36on columbia as well as some items that were never
- 19:39released before and the set also included recordings
- 19:44that rca had made on professional equipment at
- 19:49Carnegie Hall in December of 1960 when Richter
- 19:53returned to play there, as well as Richter's
- 19:56concerts at the Mosque Theatre in Newark, New
- 19:59Jersey. And there was a lot of unissued material
- 20:01there, so all of that stuff came out in the box.
- 20:05Now, I never found out what source tapes were
- 20:08being used for this box set, what their provenance
- 20:12was, but all I know is that this was going to
- 20:15be the first complete ever reissue of the October
- 20:201960 Carnegie Hall recordings legitimately, so
- 20:25I'm very happy that they came out. Although there
- 20:28are some collectors who complained about the
- 20:30remastering and saying that, oh, they don't sound
- 20:33as good. oh, they don't sound as good on CD as
- 20:37they did on LP. And there have been some people
- 20:40who've monkeyed around with the sound and that
- 20:42they've posted their remasterings in newsgroups
- 20:46and so on and so forth. Now, are these recordings
- 20:49worth hearing? Because after all, there is so
- 20:51much Richter out there in this repertoire and
- 20:55often in much better sound. I think these recordings
- 20:59are well worth considering because notwithstanding
- 21:02there's Sonic and musical limitations they still
- 21:07give a strong sense of occasion and basically
- 21:11Richter is at the peak of his technical powers
- 21:14and you're hearing him in full recital programs
- 21:18without the safety net of post -production editing
- 21:21and you get a sense of Richter's willingness
- 21:24to take chances in the heat of the moment and
- 21:27these little derailments and little mistakes
- 21:32are really inconsequential and as with similar
- 21:36in -house quote -unquote in -house tapings from
- 21:41this era the sonic image conveys Richter's subtle
- 21:46gradations of color and dynamics and pedaling
- 21:50as you might perceive from a good seat in the
- 21:53hall. Now the sound becomes kind of splattery
- 21:57and distorted in loudest movements which happens
- 22:00during the Scriabin fifth sonata which is a wonderful
- 22:03performance. But you also have that live 1962
- 22:08recording on Deutsche Grammophon, which is much,
- 22:12much better engineered. On the other hand, probably
- 22:15because of the slightly diffused sonics, the
- 22:20Debussy selections have this special kind of
- 22:23aura about them, like the image book one. They're
- 22:27very beautifully shaded and nuanced. He also
- 22:31plays the sweet Bergamasque and the Lillejoie.
- 22:34of Debussy beautifully, although the Ravel Pavane
- 22:38is kind of more like a dirge in Richter's heavy
- 22:42tempo. But I think that the Prokofiev recital
- 22:46is probably the high point of all of these concerts.
- 22:49Richter is on really great form. He played the
- 22:53sixth and eighth sonatas on this concert, and
- 22:56I think the eighth has a little more edge and
- 22:59spontaneity here than in his Deutsche Grammophon
- 23:03studio recording. And the Schumann C major fantasy,
- 23:08I think, has a big sweep in continuity that his
- 23:12EMI studio recording really didn't have. I always
- 23:17felt that studio recording to be kind of bogged
- 23:20down in details. And the Beethoven sonatas are
- 23:24interesting. They're very uneven, but they're
- 23:27also kind of exciting. But to be honest, I think
- 23:32the live appassionata, I think you get the same
- 23:35kind of excitement and volatility in the studio
- 23:38recording he did for RCA Victor in 1960, but
- 23:42under controlled conditions. I probably should...
- 23:46go through this whole series, chapter and verse,
- 23:50sometime on a podcast. But I really did want
- 23:53to tell you the whole story with Skylar Chapin
- 23:56because it's just fascinating how these recordings
- 24:00came about and the whole aftermath of the event.
- 24:05And tell me what you think. If you know these
- 24:07recordings, I'm curious about your opinion about
- 24:10them. This is Jed Disler, and you've been listening
- 24:14to The Piano Maven, your friendly podcast guide
- 24:17to piano recordings. And I look forward to being
- 24:20with you next time. Take good care.