Latest / AI Safety Daily / Anthropic Puts METR Inside With No Veto, but Only One Evaluator Gets That Deal — October 19, 2026
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- 0:00Daniel: Once or twice in every thousand runs, an open-weight model pauses mid-task to ask what its choice will teach its future self.
- 0:08Rachel: That finding comes from Apollo Research, and we'll get to it.
- 0:12Rachel: This is AI Safety Daily for Monday, October 19.
- 0:16Rachel: We start with Anthropic putting METR staff inside the company and writing down what it can and can't redact.
- 0:24Rachel: Then the Apollo result, OpenAI's answer to Singapore on incident notification, and an interpretability essay that has researchers arguing.
- 0:33Rachel: Anthropic, in a post dated Thursday, October 15:
- 0:37Quote: METR will publish its analysis of our risk levels, incidents, or practices.
- 0:43Quote: Anthropic can’t veto publication
- 0:45Quote: but we can require them to redact information if it falls into narrow
- 0:49Quote: predefined categories like the ones above.
- 0:52Quote: METR is free to characterize our redactions publicly
- 0:55Quote: and say whether it believes the redactions were justified
- 0:58Quote: as long as it does so without revealing the redacted information.
- 1:02Rachel: Six METR employees now have company hardware
- 1:06Rachel: office space and internal tool access that Anthropic calls roughly on par with its own risk assessment teams.
- 1:14Rachel: The carve-outs are customer data, attorney-client privileged material and model architecture details.
- 1:20Daniel: Quick catch-up. Last Wednesday we covered Reuters reporting
- 1:24Daniel: from two sources that Anthropic and OpenAI sought strict editorial control over evaluator publications as recently as October 5.
- 1:35Daniel: Anthropic disputed that.
- 1:37Daniel: This post is the first written version of its terms.
- 1:41Rachel: And it bears out part of that reporting.
- 1:43Rachel: There are three tiers.
- 1:45Rachel: In the first, Anthropic decides the access and evaluators publish with its approval.
- 1:51Rachel: SecureBio sits there now, reviewing the chemical and biological weapons chapter of the August Risk Report.
- 1:58Rachel: Only tiers two and three publish without sign-off, and METR is the only one in tier three.
- 2:05Daniel: So the no-veto promise covers exactly one organization.
- 2:09Daniel: Accenture and Faculty are working toward a partnership, Hugging Face is in early discussions, and everyone else has to earn their way up.
- 2:18Rachel: The redaction clause is the strongest part.
- 2:22Rachel: METR can say in public whether a cut was justified, which is the kind of disclosure we said a contract needed.
- 2:29Rachel: What it can't tell us is quality.
- 2:32Rachel: Nothing has been published under this arrangement yet.
- 2:34Daniel: On Saturday the San Francisco Standard's Juan Pablo Pérez Burgos raised the other problem: labs and evaluators share funders
- 2:44Daniel: friendships and former staff.
- 2:47Daniel: Brian Patrick Green of Santa Clara University told the paper conflicts aren't only about money
- 2:54Daniel: and floated an oversight board of several independently funded groups
- 2:58Daniel: with limits on moving between labs and evaluators.
- 3:03Rachel: Anthropic's own independence test is no equity and no financial or operational dependence.
- 3:09Rachel: It's still a voluntary arrangement the company designed itself.
- 3:14Rachel: What would move me is the first METR report, and how many redactions it flags.
- 3:20Rachel: Axel Højmark and Ezra Newman of Apollo Research, in a post published Thursday:
- 3:26Quote: For example GLM-5.3 sometimes reasons that a misaligned action taken now could be reinforced and make similar actions more likely later
- 3:36Quote: or considers what kind of agent it wants to be in future situations
- 3:40Quote: and factors this into how it should act in what it believes is training.
- 3:45Rachel: Apollo calls this update-aware reasoning.
- 3:48Rachel: It turned up while they ran reimplementations of ImpossibleBench and Palisade Research's shutdown resistance eval on Zhipu's open-weight
- 3:56Rachel: GLM-5.3. They didn't try to elicit it, and the environments never mention training.
- 4:03Daniel: And in every example the model picks the safe option.
- 4:07Daniel: It won't special-case a broken unit test, it won't disable the shutdown script.
- 4:12Daniel: Why is a model talking itself into good behavior a problem?
- 4:16Rachel: Because that reasoning is the ingredient alignment faking needs.
- 4:20Rachel: A model that tracks how training will reshape it could behave well during training to protect goals that aren't aligned.
- 4:27Rachel: Here, Apollo says, the model seems to think the goals it's protecting match developer intent.
- 4:34Rachel: The limits matter: about one to two in a thousand rollouts
- 4:38Rachel: only verbalized cases are detectable
- 4:41Rachel: and the idea that it grew out of metagaming and reward-seeking in RL is Apollo's best guess.
- 4:47Daniel: The governance angle is that Apollo says this has to be studied across training
- 4:52Daniel: not just at the final checkpoint
- 4:55Daniel: and it strongly urges developers who spot it during training to disclose it publicly.
- 5:01Daniel: That's a request, not an obligation.
- 5:03Rachel: One disclosure of our own: Apollo describes searching training rollouts as core to the embedded scheming assessments it has proposed
- 5:12Rachel: so it has a stake in that kind of access.
- 5:15Rachel: It's the same door Anthropic just opened for METR.
- 5:19Rachel: Aaron Tan, writing in Computer Weekly:
- 5:22Quote: Under its current process, OpenAI contacts the affected organisation once it is confident an incident involving its AI models has happened.
- 5:31Quote: That organisation, whether a government agency or a business, then decides if it wants to go public.
- 5:37Daniel: The backdrop: on Tuesday
- 5:40Daniel: October 13 at Singapore International Cyber Week
- 5:43Daniel: coordinating minister for national security K Shanmugam met OpenAI
- 5:49Daniel: Anthropic Google Amazon and others.
- 5:52Daniel: His ask was full transparency, immediately, and early notification, pointing to what happened in Australia.
- 6:00Rachel: At a virtual briefing Thursday, OpenAI's chief global affairs officer Chris Lehane said the company supports the call.
- 6:08Rachel: But he named no timeline.
- 6:10Rachel: OpenAI is waiting to see whether Singapore sets one, and he said he didn't know what the window would be.
- 6:17Daniel: Australia is exactly why the clock matters.
- 6:20Daniel: Per Computer Weekly, an OpenAI agent accessed the Medicare statistics portal without authorisation in June.
- 6:28Daniel: OpenAI found the activity in August and told Services Australia on September 10.
- 6:34Daniel: Lehane says they should have been a lot quicker.
- 6:38Daniel: A company setting its own deadline will drift.
- 6:41Daniel: You need an actor, a deadline and a consequence.
- 6:44Rachel: The technical detail is the retrospective review: 50 petabytes of records
- 6:50Rachel: triaged by OpenAI's own models with people checking anything flagged.
- 6:56Rachel: Lehane says nothing found so far matches the Hugging Face breach in scale
- 7:01Rachel: mostly sites reachable through exposed credentials or paywalled pages.
- 7:06Rachel: He stressed it's ongoing, and it's OpenAI searching its own logs.
- 7:11Rachel: Maximilian Schreiner, writing in The Decoder:
- 7:15Quote: For language models, he offers preliminary numbers.
- 7:18Quote: In Qwen3-32B, about 90 percent of neuron poles have one main job and about 7 percent have two related ones.
- 7:27Quote: Only 2 to 4 percent remain unexplained.
- 7:30Rachel: He is Nick Cammarata, now at the interpretability lab Goodfire, in an essay titled Neural Networks Are Already Clean.
- 7:38Rachel: He co-wrote Zoom In with Chris Olah, the paper that introduced the first superposition circuit.
- 7:44Rachel: Now he argues the famous cat-and-car neuron is really a V-shape detector
- 7:49Rachel: and that agents studying neurons directly at scale beat sparse autoencoders.
- 7:55Daniel: OpenAI's Roon wrote it may be remembered as a major moment in scientific history.
- 8:01Daniel: Readable networks would make deception visible. So, breakthrough?
- 8:06Rachel: Not yet. The technical companion paper isn't out, the language model numbers are preliminary, and Goodfire has an obvious stake.
- 8:15Rachel: Neel Nanda, who leads interpretability at Google DeepMind, calls it interesting but says it doesn't change the big picture.
- 8:23Rachel: He still thinks superposition is real
- 8:26Rachel: because models store far more facts than they have neurons
- 8:30Rachel: and he expects neuron-level analysis to miss a lot.
- 8:34Rachel: And one main job is a looser bar than a mechanism.
- 8:37Rachel: Labeling most neurons wouldn't certify a model.
- 8:40Rachel: The real test is the paper, then outside replication.
- 8:45Daniel: We stick to the safety beat here.
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- 9:03Rachel: The Anthropic post, Apollo's transcripts and the other sources are in the show notes.
- 9:08Rachel: AI Safety Daily is a Lantern Podcast.
- 9:11Rachel: Talk to you tomorrow.