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What's The Plan For The Ohio State Offensive Line At Penn State? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special live episode of buck Eyes
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  Speaker 1: Tomorrow Morning for Wednesday, October thirtieth. I'm your host, Samore
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  Speaker 1: the Penn State game in three days, the game against
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  Speaker 1: Michigan in thirty one days. Just finished talking to a
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  Speaker 1: high state head coach, Ryan Day, offensive coordinator Chip Kelly,
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  Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Jim Knowles, and oh boy, howdy is there
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to talk about coming out of that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to guess that a lot of the biggest
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  Speaker 1: interest on the audience end is going to center around
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line. And so what's the plan with the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line going into this week?
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  Speaker 2: And Ryan Day was not.
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  Speaker 1: Overly interested in sharing a lot of specifics on the plan.
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  Speaker 1: I guess let's start with Zen Mahalski, left tackle and
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  Speaker 1: a not great game against Nebraska, left with an injury.
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  Speaker 1: But it sounds like if Zen Mahalski can go this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: and I think there's you know, a reason I put
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  Speaker 1: some inflection. Yeah, but if Zen the halls he can
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  Speaker 1: go this weekend, he is certainly in the mix at
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  Speaker 1: the very least to be the starting left tackle this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And just watching him walk past us off the
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  Speaker 3: field on Saturday. There was not the walk of somebody
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  Speaker 3: who's going to be ready in a week to play
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  Speaker 3: and then also ready to practice Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and then and then he wrote that you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about walking off the field. So then he rode from
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  Speaker 1: the bench to the locker room on the cart.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if he can go, Day said, because I
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  Speaker 3: even asked him, so, if he can go, he'll start, yes,
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  Speaker 3: And then I think I don't know if somebody else,
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  Speaker 3: like was basically, are you sure, and he's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: we'd have to work through it, you know, right, he's
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  Speaker 3: still got to see if he's good enough to go.
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  Speaker 3: But if he can go, then that would be the plan.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's because of what we've talked about
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  Speaker 3: in the passwords. It's the easiest, most seamless solution as
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  Speaker 3: opposed to tearing up all of the carpet and you
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  Speaker 3: know whatever else. You know, you're moving left guard left tackle.
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  Speaker 3: Now you've got to put somebody else left guard. If
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  Speaker 3: you could just replace this one piece without undoing any
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  Speaker 3: other parts, that is the easiest thing. And it still
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  Speaker 3: seems like that would be their answer if they had
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  Speaker 3: their druthers.
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  Speaker 2: That was the answer the first time he got asked
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  Speaker 2: the question.
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  Speaker 1: He got asked it again later and it was sort
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  Speaker 1: of like really, and the answer to that time was
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, well, you know, he.
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  Speaker 2: Would certainly be in the mix to start.
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  Speaker 1: So it feels like there's maybe potentially a couple of
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  Speaker 1: ifs in that sentence. If he's healthy enough to go,
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  Speaker 1: and if he's deemed the best person to go, then
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  Speaker 1: he would start.
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  Speaker 2: I don't you know, I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, if he has deemed the best person, he should start. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's one piece of this.
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  Speaker 5: The next thing that was the guy that was asked
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  Speaker 5: about is someone we have really not talked about to
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  Speaker 5: this season much to the point that we've talked about
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  Speaker 5: the fact that we aren't talking about it much, and
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  Speaker 5: that's Carson Hinsman.
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  Speaker 1: And he was asked, Okay, is Carson Hinsman going to
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  Speaker 1: get worked in some different places this week?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he said he would, But I think I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if you've ever really talked about it, like
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  Speaker 3: the danger of moving Carson Hinsman.
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  Speaker 4: Carson Hinsman right now is your backup center.
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  Speaker 3: So to put him somewhere else now, you need a
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  Speaker 3: backup center, and so is that Josh Badilla is. We
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  Speaker 3: saw Luke Montgomery in fall camp do that and then
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  Speaker 3: Spring I believe as well. But also Luke Montgomery was
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  Speaker 3: the first guy in and left guard when Zenmhalski went
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  Speaker 3: down and Donova Jackson kicked out. So it's another thing
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  Speaker 3: where if you're going to move Carson Hinsman, somebody else
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  Speaker 3: is gonna step up and be that backup unless you
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  Speaker 3: would just go back to Carson Hinsman. But then if
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  Speaker 3: you do that, then who's you know, Like, so there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of moving parts, constant moving parts, this whole
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  Speaker 3: Jenga thing that's going on, and so that I can
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  Speaker 3: understand why you want to just like if you could
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  Speaker 3: just move this one guy, if you could just do
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  Speaker 3: this one weird trick, and it would solve itself. But
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  Speaker 3: they will get Carson Hinsman some work I assume at guard.
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  Speaker 3: He did not say, he just said to move him
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  Speaker 3: around a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it sounded to me like he's still primarily
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  Speaker 1: the number two at center. So yeah, they'll probably move him,
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  Speaker 1: you know, play him in a few different places this week.
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  Speaker 2: But my sense, and this is only.
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  Speaker 1: My sense, is that it's like they were practicing Donovan
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  Speaker 1: Jackson at left tackle during the summer at times where yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you want to get him some reps there. That was
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  Speaker 1: not plan a in the in the summer. I don't
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  Speaker 1: get the sense that putting Carson Hinzman at guard this
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  Speaker 1: week is plan A based on the way Ryan Day
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  Speaker 1: talked about it. But Ryan Day, I think is trying
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  Speaker 1: to be very cagey about everything right now, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: we listen to the James Franklin press conference on Monday,
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  Speaker 1: and everyone is a game time decision. You know, you're
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  Speaker 1: starting quarterback is a game time decision. You're starting right tackle,
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  Speaker 1: it's a game time decision. Your defensive end, well that's
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  Speaker 1: a game time decision. And you think Ryan Day's kind
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  Speaker 1: of trying to do sort of the same thing where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, we don't have any idea,
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  Speaker 1: so you probably have.
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  Speaker 4: Some idea, but yeah, the game itself as a game
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  Speaker 4: time decision.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's the next piece. Do we have
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  Speaker 1: a super chet we need to get to sins?
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  Speaker 6: First start was Isaiah Prince level bad and regardless of injury,
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  Speaker 6: he should not start in my honest opinion.
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  Speaker 1: So Ryan Dawes saying that that Maholski's start last week
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  Speaker 1: was so bad that you know, essentially they're you know,
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  Speaker 1: that can't possibly be the best possible solution. I remember
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  Speaker 1: people talking about that last year at times with the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line, and this can't possibly be the best possible solution,
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  Speaker 1: and you know that they should kick that was last year,
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  Speaker 1: Carson Hinsman having some issues, I think at one point,
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  Speaker 1: and they should kick Matthew Jones over and they should
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  Speaker 1: start you from AHT right guard, and you know, sure,
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  Speaker 1: why aren't you doing that? And it can't possibly be
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  Speaker 1: that bad? And then the Cotton Bowl happened. I don't
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  Speaker 1: get the sense that they are intentionally, you know, ignoring
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  Speaker 1: a better solution. Maybe Donovan Jackson would be better at
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  Speaker 1: left tackle. We'll just well run this through hypothetically with
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  Speaker 1: this one thing. Maybe Donovan Jackson would be better at
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  Speaker 1: left tackle. But then they drop off from Donovan Jackson
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  Speaker 1: to whoever replaces Donovan Jackson at left guard is substantial
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  Speaker 1: enough that then you're, you know, on average, wars at
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  Speaker 1: two positions, and and then you you're better at left tackle,
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  Speaker 1: but on the whole you're not as good holistically.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and then you saw Austin Seerveld and Tiger Shabola
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  Speaker 3: both both had their struggles in that game against Nebraska.
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  Speaker 3: So say one of those guys is the option that
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  Speaker 3: left guard if Donovan Jackson, they have not you know,
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  Speaker 3: necessarily proven that they are.
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  Speaker 4: Able, you know, fully capable.
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  Speaker 3: Now Chip Kelly has a ton of confidence, but all
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  Speaker 3: these coaches are only going to talk about the confidence
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  Speaker 3: that they have. But yeah, you walk out of there thinking,
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  Speaker 3: there's still some things that they've got to fix and
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  Speaker 3: figure out and work on, and what combination and how
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  Speaker 3: many times can they run this combination and get the
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  Speaker 3: data that they need versus this many times? So it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be it's a lot of work and a
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  Speaker 3: short amount of a short amount of time against an
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  Speaker 3: opponent that is going to test them pretty pretty religiously
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  Speaker 3: on the outside.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, there there were questions about Abdulla Carter,
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  Speaker 1: who has played defensive end for pretty much his whole
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  Speaker 1: career at Penn State and then was at linebacker, started, started,
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  Speaker 1: then moved the defensive end, and then now was back
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  Speaker 1: at linebacker last week to a certain degree. And then
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  Speaker 1: the other one of the big questions in injury wise
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  Speaker 1: for Penn State is Denie Dennis Smith, who is one
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  Speaker 1: of their edge rushers, really a bigger dude. He was
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  Speaker 1: actually someone who was bulking up to play inside and
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  Speaker 1: then then they felt better about the inside, and then
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  Speaker 1: they moved him back to outside, and then he you know,
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  Speaker 1: has now been dropping weight, right, you know, he put
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  Speaker 1: he's down to like two seventy or two seventy five
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  Speaker 1: something like that. He's a little bit of an issue.
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  Speaker 1: He hit a groin injury at Wisconsin. So is he
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  Speaker 1: going to play? Well, it's a game time decision. It's
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  Speaker 1: you get the fact that you're not getting the whole
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  Speaker 1: truth from anyone this week.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and Franklin said that that will go all the
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  Speaker 3: way up saying with duel or that'll go all the
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  Speaker 3: way up to like Saturday morning on whether or not
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  Speaker 3: they're going to play. He would you would assume they'd
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  Speaker 3: have to practice a little bit, but they are all
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  Speaker 3: those two guys are veterans that they wouldn't need, Like
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  Speaker 3: they could miss today and maybe Wednesday and still be
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  Speaker 3: able to go because of the experience that they have
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  Speaker 3: and also maybe the drop off behind them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's another another question that that was kind
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  Speaker 1: of the injury stuff on the offense. Do you, Tony,
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  Speaker 1: do we want to talk injuries on defense or do
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  Speaker 1: we want to talk talk about the offense and then
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  Speaker 1: we'll move to defense.
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  Speaker 4: Later d my show.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, I honestly thought we were doing Buckeye Weekly today.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
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  Speaker 3: Well, so you beat me to the punch on the opening,
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  Speaker 3: so it's a good thing or else out of Darrel
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  Speaker 3: this entire thing.
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  Speaker 4: So they'll do whatever you want to do.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's let's real quickly talk about Leathan
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  Speaker 1: Ransom and Leithan Ransom. Obviously getting him back this weekend
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  Speaker 1: would be tremendous your thoughts, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Based on what were Ryan Ryan Day said, they're looking
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  Speaker 3: forward to getting a full week of practic just from
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  Speaker 3: him this week and then they'll see. Jim Knowles started
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  Speaker 3: talking about you it's gonna be good to have him back,
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  Speaker 3: assuming you know. Then he had to like throw a
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  Speaker 3: qualifier in there, like he's gonna help the run being
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  Speaker 3: back will help us stop the run. And he's like assuming,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if if he's good to go, So that
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  Speaker 3: all seems pretty positive. Like when a coach like Knowles
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  Speaker 3: maybe accidentally reveals too much, like because we've seen it
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  Speaker 3: over the years where somebody talks that coach talks about
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  Speaker 3: like he is coming back, you talk about how you're
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  Speaker 3: already planning to have him back, and you speak of
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  Speaker 3: him in like in the present tense with no question mark.
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  Speaker 4: So that sounds positive.
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  Speaker 3: But I also think they feel pretty good about what
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  Speaker 3: they got out of Jordan Hancock and what they got
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  Speaker 3: out of Jalen McLain. Made some freshman mistakes but also
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  Speaker 3: rates and plays, so you come back, he'll be better
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  Speaker 3: for being out there in that game. So whatever they
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  Speaker 3: need to do, they now know that they are capable
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  Speaker 3: of moving some things around, which I think they certainly
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  Speaker 3: feel better than they did maybe a week or two ago.
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  Speaker 1: And someone like Lathan Ransom, if he does play, could
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  Speaker 1: be a real significant piece because he probably factors into
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  Speaker 1: how do you stop Tyler Warren or at least contained
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Warren to a certain degree, And it has been
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  Speaker 1: a factor in the run game as well. And you're
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  Speaker 1: probably it's probably a very active week for whoever is
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  Speaker 1: playing safety for Ohio States. So if they can get
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  Speaker 1: Leith and Ransom back, that would be a very big piece,
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  Speaker 1: all right. So there's that's the end of the injury talk.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk real quickly about the offense, and there was
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  Speaker 1: there were a lot of questions, sort of expectedly about
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  Speaker 1: the struggles in the run game and the struggles in
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  Speaker 1: the basket you know what, why didn't you throw more?
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  Speaker 1: And all that kind of stuff, and everything was sort
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  Speaker 1: of couched with you know, hey, listen, I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 1: not a football coach, but yes, yes, it feels like.
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  Speaker 2: There's probably an issue if you're running for two yards.
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  Speaker 1: Per carry and you're running you know, why don't there
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  Speaker 1: There was the why don't you throw it to a
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  Speaker 1: at Buka question and throw it to Meca Buka more,
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  Speaker 1: which is one of the two questions I would ask
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  Speaker 1: in terms of why they're not throwing it to wide
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  Speaker 1: receivers more.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, it was.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing to me how often the answers to all of
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  Speaker 1: that stuff came back to, well, we were one for
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  Speaker 1: ten on third down and that's not good enough.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, and it's not wrong.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you get if you go five of ten,
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  Speaker 3: now you're talking at least what twelve more plays that
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  Speaker 3: you can establish something. At the very minimum, you're talking
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  Speaker 3: twelve more plays and so and probably more than that
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  Speaker 3: because I'm assuming now all those are going to be
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  Speaker 3: then three and out after that. So yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 3: it goes back to that the short yardage stuff. They
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  Speaker 3: had four or five short yardages and maybe failed on
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  Speaker 3: three or four of those. You know, we talked in
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  Speaker 3: the rewatch, you know, just sneak it more. And I
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  Speaker 3: think that's that's one of the solid answers. And I
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  Speaker 3: think I don't know if it's Chip or Day, it's
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  Speaker 3: probably Chip talked about how they have they have a
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  Speaker 3: short yardage plan for every opponent. And this week's plan
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  Speaker 3: will be different than last week's plan because you've got
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  Speaker 3: a different defensive front, different defensive alignment and scheme that
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  Speaker 3: you're facing. So maybe this year, this week it'll be
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  Speaker 3: more effective, not just because you've changed some things, but
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  Speaker 3: because of the defense that you're facing, even though it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be a better defense. But yeah, those third
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  Speaker 3: downs you can't go. I mean, it's it's so simple,
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  Speaker 3: and it's like you're almost ignoring all.
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  Speaker 4: Of the other issues.
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  Speaker 3: If you just say, well, we just need to do
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  Speaker 3: better on it's like, yes, you need to do better.
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  Speaker 4: How can you do better?
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  Speaker 3: And I think maybe that's right now, that's the real question,
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  Speaker 3: how can you do better on those third downs? And
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  Speaker 3: one of the answers is don't get into third downs.
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  Speaker 2: But well, listen, listen.
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  Speaker 1: There was also a few well if you could do that,
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  Speaker 1: then obviously that would be better and everyone would just
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  Speaker 1: do that. But it was interesting you asked You asked
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  Speaker 1: Chip Kelly about some of that as well, in terms
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  Speaker 1: of what.
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  Speaker 2: Well you you how did you frame it? You framed
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  Speaker 2: it as how they were not What did you ask
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  Speaker 2: Chip Kelly? Well, I just had it in my head.
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  Speaker 4: One thing I.
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  Speaker 3: Asked, was there a common to yes that over the
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  Speaker 3: past two games of why outside of the two runs
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  Speaker 3: for seventy yards or trebon against Oregon, that those two
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  Speaker 3: running backs have averaged two yards per carry. He's like, no,
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  Speaker 3: it's not no no one thing. It's it's this or
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  Speaker 3: this or this or this or this, And like, well,
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  Speaker 3: that does that make you feel better or worse that
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  Speaker 3: if it's always something different? He's like, well, you never
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  Speaker 3: feel good about anything like that. And I mean, until
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  Speaker 3: they get that, then you're gonna be dealing with third
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  Speaker 3: down troubles unless you're just fortunately picking them up through
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  Speaker 3: the legs of your quarterback and getting open time and
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  Speaker 3: time again. But if But as we talked about in
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  Speaker 3: the rewatch, they also did pretty well on first downs.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe second down is where third down goes to die.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but Ageah, they need to get those
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  Speaker 3: two guys going one way or another somehow.
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  Speaker 1: Hell or high Water and Ryan Day gave the three
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  Speaker 1: things they need to improve and win on this week
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  Speaker 1: when the turnover battle win, rushing yards.
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  Speaker 2: Win, explosive plays. I mean, it feels like, if you
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  Speaker 2: know what you need to do, yeah, sure, go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and do it. Go get them tiger well.
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  Speaker 3: And that was the cry coming out of the Oregon game,
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  Speaker 3: is that they lost all three of those, and you
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  Speaker 3: can't and you lose all three of those, and you
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  Speaker 3: lose by a point and maybe a second. You know,
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  Speaker 3: so if you just win one of those, then maybe
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  Speaker 3: that changes your entire outlook and your fortune and maybe
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  Speaker 3: things aren't so terrible right now around the.
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  Speaker 4: Nation.
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  Speaker 1: And then on the defensive side of the ball, they
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  Speaker 1: have a potentially unique challenge. One of the reasons that
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  Speaker 1: James Franklin is probably being a little bit cagy about
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback is because he has two very different quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 2: Drew Alur and Bo Prabula.
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  Speaker 1: Alur is more of a traditional dropback guy. Pabulah more
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  Speaker 1: of a dual threat kind of guy who used to
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  Speaker 1: be run first and is now a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: truly dual threat. That's presenting I think some challenges for
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State in practice in terms of you don't just
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  Speaker 1: have to prepare for one offense, you kind of have
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  Speaker 1: to prepare for two.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I do think it's good though that they're actually seeing
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  Speaker 3: Pabula success like throwing the ball and completing passes. A
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  Speaker 3: few years back when Will Levis came in and he
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  Speaker 3: was like this running guy and was able to make
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  Speaker 3: some plays, and I think now that they are aware
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  Speaker 3: that they have to be prepared for the passing aspect
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  Speaker 3: with him as well. Makes it easier because you prepare
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  Speaker 3: for the pass against both guys. But then when Prombula
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  Speaker 3: comes in, you understand that there are gonna be some
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: reads and some keeps that you're going to have to
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: be aware of and defend because he's he wears number nine,
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: so he's got this.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: You trace mcsorly ability to.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: Run and as an effective runner and can get going
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: pretty quickly, so you know he takes some chances with
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: the passing because he's got more confidence with it. So
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: I think they can make some plays there. But two
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: guys that I don't know if I'm watching this, and
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking it might be better if Durale just plays
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: the entire game for Ohio State, because then you know
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: exactly what you're going to get every time. But that's
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: not how they do this anyway. They play both quarterbacks regardless,
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: and they'll play them boat at the same time, which
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: and they'll do all of this just to hand the
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: ball off yeah, to a running back like yeah, inside
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: zone like.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: And when you're playing both of them at the same time,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: are you setting up something else that one of them is?
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know with that kind of thing.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Jim Kelly was actually asked about trick plays and that
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and it was kind of he listened, sorry,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I'm backtracking to the offense now because we're talking about
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: trick plays. He was asked, you know you're not getting
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: anything going on offense for multiple drives in a row.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Do you think about digging into the bag at some
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: point and pulling out something a little unusual?
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know he's always you always got something
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: in mind, but also like you just have to execute
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: and get the first down however you can. And when
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: when you draw those things up, something bad can also
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: happen quite a bit if it doesn't go perfectly and
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: it's not a normal play. But you also have to
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: spend so much time and practice on it. This is
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: something we've talked to with coaches before as well. And
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: if you spend that much time to practice on it,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: you feel obligated to then run it because you've used
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of all this time. And I just wonder
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: right now, I don't know that they have the time
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: to worry about that when they're working on the offensive
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: line and trying to get that running game going.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: And you also wonder they've probably practiced stuff. You know,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: you've practiced two point plays you haven't shown yet. You've
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: probably practiced some of that stuff, and you're waiting to
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: sort of when you really need it, you know, waiting
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: to waiting.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: To pull it out. We'll get back to the defense
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: in a second. Let's hit the super chat.
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: King Bronco Walter White style. Ain't ain't anybody looked at
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: y'all and seeing y'all was tough, and y'all lost at
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: Oracle and this would be more loud noise. Y'all don't
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: got tough meat sass like us.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, King Bronco four and three Michigan
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Wolverines fan, thank you. Uh.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Moving on to the defense and the defensive line.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: It's always interesting to talk to Jim Knowles about the
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: defensive line because he was asked about, you know, changing
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: the pass rush last week against Nebraska. He was asked
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: about the rushman. You know, when you look at the
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: rushman package, you've got j T. Twee, Moloow and Jack
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Sawyer on the outside and who were the bigger guys,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: and then you've got Kaden Curry and Kenyatta Jackson who
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: are not necessarily is quite as big on the inside,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: which feels like it's a little bit inverted from what
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: you might expect.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Jim Knowles answered questions about both of those things.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I kind of agree with them.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: He mentioned, well, you know, there earlier in the year,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Kait and Curry really ran by a guard and I
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: think came. Curry's fantastic on the inside, and that's that's
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: where he was in high school and I always thought
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: he was very effective there. But you would expect, like
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: the bigger guys to be on the inside. And I
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: still remember going back to a twenty seventeen with Nick
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Bosa as a sophomore being happy that he was no
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: longer going to have to run the rushman rushman on
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: the inside. He's like, I'm good enough now I can
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: just stay outside, whereas as a freshman he had to
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: get in there and mess with the guards and the centers.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Even though they also talk about you know, I like
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: going against those guys because I know him quicker than
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: they are and they're slow than tackles, and it's a
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: quicker path to the quarterback. But I mean, they've got
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: to figure some things out there. I think Mitchell Melton
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: whenever he didn't play, but maybe like five or six snaps,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: but when he's in there, things happen.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: And I don't know why.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: I know why they play the starter so much is
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: because they're playing in a close game and they trust
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: those guys more than the others. But these are juniors
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: and fifth year seniors you're talking about that you should
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: also trust. Especially then in the fortunately in the fourth quarter,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: when they've played a ton of snaps, they were still
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: able to make plays and get this done, this thing done,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: and they weren't completely worn out where it's like, well
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: you should have played maybe you should have played Jack,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: you know, Jack Sawyer and JT. Tuomo less than a
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: third quarter or something like that. But as Jim Will said,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: he leaves that up to the position coaches that at
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: the time they talked about it during the week, it
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: should be an all hands on deck type of thing
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: on who should play. But it's so as we always say,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: it's the position coach unless he gets over roomed by
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: like the head coach or whatever it's they control who's
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: or they put the guys out there, and every other
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: coach has too much other stuff going on as well.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: The head coach bay say hey, I want this guy
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: out there some more, or you know, even Knowle's saying
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: like why can't we get this guy out there? But
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: he's also worrying about the play call, worrying about alignment.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: What did they just do, what's successive they had recently?
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: So you got to delegate the stuff to it and
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: trust the people that you're supposed to trust.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: And you know, you've got to trust your cornerbacks as well.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And David Sigunosen is someone who might have fallen out
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: of the circle of trust for some Ohio State fans
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: on Saturday.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Was it three separate pass interference calls? I don't think
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: they all got enforced.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think got declined.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he was called three times. And
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Jim Knowls has come up with a unique solution to
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: that problem.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: During practices.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've put gloves on him, so he can't can't hold.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: They still want them to be physical, and Noles wants
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: them to be physical and he likes that aspect of him.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: But they put some gloves on him. It didn't get
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: asked to be explain more of these bloods.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming like boxing.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Gloves and so he's he's not able to grip or grab.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: So I think that's a good thing because you can
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: become overreliant on that. And we know every quarterbacks coach
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: coaches grabbing, just like every offensive line coach coach is
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: holding what Yeah, And so the key is not to
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: you can't just become reliant upon it. And this is
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: how I play, because then if you are known as
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: a handsy player, you're going to be known by that
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: by the reps as well.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like one, you know, he had that
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: reputation to a certain degree last year. It feels like
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: he's getting called on stuff on it more this week.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: And you know, we've heard in the past about coaches
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: talking to the officials before the game or you know, hey,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: keep an eye on this, or hey, we're running this
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: trick play that does this or whatever, just you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: just so that they sort of know, hey, this guy
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: might and you can't say these five offensive line hole
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: on every play, like you gotta be a little more
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: specific than that, but you get the sense that that may.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Have been a point of him this offensive line a hole.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so do they all?
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: And you could you might also give tip people off,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: like hey, watch for targeting, because it turns out that
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: no one knows what targeting is, not even the officials,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: not even.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: The Big ten replay crew that was you know, this
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: is one of the things that.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: People always get really annoyed that Brian Ay or Jim
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Moles gets asked about something and therefore they answer the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: question about something and then it's like, well, you're making excuses,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: you're whining.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: It's like, no even ask the question about it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: And this week it turns out they were right when
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: they were mad about it the first time.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always a bad thing to send plays to
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: the Big ten and say, hey, can you clarify this?
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I asked Jim Knowles, how do you like,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: what's an acceptable penalty for a play where the and
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: this is not just display, but like other players you've seen,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: the onfield refs disagree with the upstairs refs, and the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Big ten refs may disagree with the upstairs refs, and
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: the NCAA refs disagree with the big Like, what is
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: an acceptable penalty for that? And all's like, yeah, I
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: don't know, And then like should a player be suspended
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: for thys?
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: Like that's above my pay grade?
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: But the answer is no, yes, yeah, clear targeting short, Yeah,
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: but when when it's has to when you're staring in
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: a video monitor for I don't know, three or four
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: minutes trying to figure out then clearly the intent.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Is not there.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, if you're staring at a video monitor for
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: three to four minutes trying to break down what happened
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: in reality in a quarter of a second, you can
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you can, you know, if you duck your head ever
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: so slightly, then yeah, it looks horrible if you're watching
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: in very slow motion. There the intent piece feels like
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: that's that's something that has to get written into that rule.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I keep going back.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: To flagrant one versus flagrant two, you know, hey, targeting
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and maybe it's maybe it is fifteen yards and then
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: but no ejection, and then there's a different one.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever the solution is, it feels like.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: The current rule as written is a very noble attempt
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: to protect players.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: But did they say that.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: They also said that since he was a runner at
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: that point no longer, he was no longer defenseless, So yeah,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: I don't understand how that is not part of the
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: conversation at the time.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Right right, So yeah, all right, do we have questions
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: we want to get to here we go.
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: Uh, Drowsy Dragon. Is Jackson at left tackle and upgrade
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: from Zen? Or could he possibly be worse?
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: What should we be.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Expecting well as Donovan Jackson an upgrade at left tackle?
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Or could he possibly be worse Tom? Based on the
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: cotton ball, anything can be worse. There's there's always no potential,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: but I it would be hard to be worse than that.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: In terms of pass blocking, Zen had some he had
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: some good stuff and also in the running game, but
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: there there were a number of issues where I wouldn't
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I can imagine, but I wouldn't think that Donovan Jackson
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: would be worse. But all so, it's not just Donovan
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Jackson at left guard that you have to or left tackle.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Let's you worry about. It's okay, now who's that left guard?
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Yes? And how much worse? Now now your entire left side, Yeah,
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: is diminished in some sort of way.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if the left tackle spot is twenty percent better
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: but the left guard spot is thirty percent worse, well
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: then yeah it could be worse even if he is better.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So and realistically, you and I don't have a great
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: way to say, yes, it's gonna be better, No, it's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: gonna be worse. Yes, it's gonna be exactly the same
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: because we haven't really seen Donovan Jackson play tackle, so
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: we'll see.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: I'd say the scheming could be better that it was
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: last week. Yep.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: Next one from Chase Young fan Penn State's defensive line
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: will be the difference in the game.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Penn State's defensive line will be the difference in
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the game. Yes, that is entirely possible. And frankly, I
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: think the battle between Ohio State's offensive line and the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Penn State defensive line, one way or another is going
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: to be the single determining factor in this game.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: I would also let people know that Penn State did
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: not record a single sack against Wisconsin. Nobody in the
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: front seven or the back four, so that defensive line
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: was shut out pretty well.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: Lisa Sims, this is an Oregon question since they are
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: the best team in our conference currently. Could they lose
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: a game in November and miss out on going to
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: the Big.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Kid Championship game?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, so could Oregon lose a game in November and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: miss out on going to the Big Ten Championship game?
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: The answer from an Ohio State perspective is, if Ohio
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: State's there, it would be very hard for Oregon to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: not be there.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: It's going to depend on tiebreakers, you know. For this
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: to matter for Ohio State, Ohio State needs to win out.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: So therefore Penn State and Indiana would both have have
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: one loss at least. Do you have Oregon schedule? Yeah,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Oregon is at Michigan. I'm going to give them a
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: win for that.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Maryland.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: That's a win at Wisconsin maybe a home for and
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: you know, November sixteenth at Wisconsin could be a little
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: dicey weatherwise, maybe and then Washington home. Sure they could
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: lose and you could have the tiebreaker fall such that potentially,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: like I, once you get past head.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: To head and with Oregon and Penn State and Indiana,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: none of them play each other.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: So once you get past you know, the sort of
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: obvious tiebreakers, you get into some math that involves a
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: lot of games that we don't have the information on yet.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: So yes, theoretically they could. I think I would say
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: it is more likely at this point that Ohio State
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: does not go to Indianapolis than Morgan does.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: I would also suggests to the fans Big Game Oregon
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: at Michigan this week, root for the Wolverines if if
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: that's what you want to see Ohio State or you
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: don't want to see Oregon in the Big Ten championship game.
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: Mike Ferguson bold prediction, James Franklin will mismanage this game.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: That's no point, that's minus three points.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's yeah, James Franklin managing the game. And
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, I mean there's always grapes about Ryan
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Days Gays management, but not nearly to the degree that
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: James Franklin has watched some games in the past. Okay, okay,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: we're caught up. Well, then great news. Then it means
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: we're done for it. Now we will be back. We
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: have much more coverage coming this week. As we have
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: said before, this is a big game week, which means
• 28:28
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• 28:29
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• 28:30
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• 28:34
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• 28:38
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• 28:41
  Speaker 1: We're gonna try and get another A Penn straight rewatch
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: show in there as well. We're gonna have Russ Fulton
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: shows coming up for you later on this week breaking
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: down the Ohio State offense and defense against Nebraska.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: And of course we're going to be out in State
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• 28:55
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• 28:57
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• 29:00
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• 29:03
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• 29:06
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• 29:10
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• 29:35
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• 29:37
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