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Legally Brunette: Scott Peterson (Part 1) · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to Legally Brunette. I will be your
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  Speaker 1: host today, Emily Simpson with Shane. Okay, guys, today we
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  Speaker 1: are doing the big One. I have avoided doing an
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  Speaker 1: episode on this case just because it's so complex. This
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  Speaker 1: is Scott Peterson and Lacy Peterson, which I'm sure you'd
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  Speaker 1: have to live under a rock to not know about
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  Speaker 1: Lacy Peterson, right, Lacy Peterson, Lacy Peterson. Now, the timing
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  Speaker 1: of doing this episode, we wanted to. I have had
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  Speaker 1: lots of people ask if we were going to do it,
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  Speaker 1: but I also knew. I'm not sure. I think it
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  Speaker 1: was twenty twenty three that the la Innoson's project took
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  Speaker 1: up Scott Peterson's case, which I did know about. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to wait until we did the Scott Peterson case
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  Speaker 1: until a lot of that information and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: that evidence, and a lot of the new things that
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  Speaker 1: they are purporting came out publicly teeth into right. So,
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  Speaker 1: now that I did get a hold of the petition
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  Speaker 1: that the la Innocon's probably filed on behalf of a
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  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson. It's eight hundred and fifty four pages. I
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  Speaker 1: did not read the whole thing, but I did pick
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  Speaker 1: and choose from it and have been going over it anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Now I feel like and also we know that the
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  Speaker 1: new documentary came out with like the New Evidence. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well I watched it on Hulu.
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  Speaker 2: Hulu.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So now we have something that we can divide
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  Speaker 1: into two parts. So today we were going to do
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  Speaker 1: part one of the Scott Peterson case. We were just
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  Speaker 1: going to go back in time, back to two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and two. We're going to talk about the case. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about the circumstantial by the way, it's
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  Speaker 1: all circumstantial evidence against Scott Peterson, the trial, how he
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  Speaker 1: ended up in prison, he ended up on death row.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, but he's not on
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  Speaker 1: death row anymore. He's in for life without parole, but
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  Speaker 1: he's not on death row anymore anyway. So today is part.
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  Speaker 2: One, death row. I mean, you're going to die in jail, well.
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  Speaker 1: Right, but he's not going to just natural cause he's
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  Speaker 1: not going to be executed anyway. So today we're going
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  Speaker 1: to go into part one, and then we are going
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  Speaker 1: to record a separate episode in part two when we
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  Speaker 1: are going to go into the Los Angeles Innocence Project
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  Speaker 1: and their findings and the new information. So are you ready?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 2: So wait, no, currently currently prior to let's say, go
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  Speaker 2: back two years ago, okay, twenty what was your belief
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  Speaker 2: as to the crime.
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  Speaker 1: No, two years ago, I was questioning whether he was guilty.
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  Speaker 2: Five years ago, five years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely he did it. And I also would like
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  Speaker 1: to ask the listeners that not so much in part one,
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  Speaker 1: but definitely when we get to part two, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to be a little more open minded.
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  Speaker 3: And I just wanted to set the record straight at
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  Speaker 3: a point, Yes, Emily was very convinced, as many were
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  Speaker 3: and everyone is, that he was guilty, right, like beyond
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  Speaker 3: a reasonable doubt, right, Okay, just wanted to make so
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  Speaker 3: it's not like, okay and then you saw the light.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know whatever. Well, GE's no idea what
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  Speaker 2: the evidence is that's going to come before us.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get We'll get to that in part two,
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  Speaker 1: but let's go through this. So on Christmas eve A,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and two. Also, by the way, this was
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and two. Do you remember this in the media.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to that was an adult too.
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  Speaker 1: No, I know, but I mean, do you remember how
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  Speaker 1: much it was in the idea, how much it was covered.
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  Speaker 2: I remember when he was being prosecuted, then it was
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  Speaker 2: made eleivised and all over the place. But yes, I
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  Speaker 2: think in two thousand and two, I remember like surfacing
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  Speaker 2: as a you know, breaking news and things like that,
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  Speaker 2: and then it died and then you forget about it,
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  Speaker 2: especially when I'm at that age when school and whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And then it surfaced as a trial, and that a
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  Speaker 2: lot of coverage.
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  Speaker 1: On Christmas Eve A two thousand and two, Lacy Peterson,
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  Speaker 1: who was eight months pregnant, disappeared from her home in Modesto, California.
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  Speaker 1: Her husband, Scott, said that he had spent the day
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  Speaker 1: on a solo fishing trip out in the San Francisco Bay,
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  Speaker 1: a strange choice for Christmas Eve, but it didn't raise
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  Speaker 1: any immediate red flags. The longer investigators looked at Scott Peterson,
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  Speaker 1: the harder it became for them to look away. There
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  Speaker 1: was a secret affair. There was behavior that felt off,
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  Speaker 1: not the frantic desperate energy of a man whose wife
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  Speaker 1: an unborn child were missing. Then April rolled around and
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  Speaker 1: the bay that Scott had fished in that Christmas Eve
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  Speaker 1: morning killed all Hope of Lacy and Connor coming back.
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  Speaker 1: There were two sets of human remains that washed up
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  Speaker 1: on the shore close to where Scott said that he
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  Speaker 1: had been fishing. What came next was a trial that
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  Speaker 1: gripped the entire country in a verdict that landed in
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  Speaker 1: a packed courtroom broadcast live with millions of people watching
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  Speaker 1: from home. Also, I just want to say, in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and two, I was in law school, but I
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  Speaker 1: was so overwhelmed by law school that I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: knew about it, but I didn't pay close attention to
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  Speaker 1: the details and follow it, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I had nothing to other things. It had to do
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  Speaker 2: with schooling.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I was very busy. I was in law school.
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  Speaker 1: May fourth, nineteen sev Lacey Denise Rocha is born in Modesto, California,
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  Speaker 1: to Sharon and Dennis Roacha. She grows up partly on
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  Speaker 1: her family's dairy farman later studies ornamental horticulture. Do you
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  Speaker 1: know what ornamental horticulture is?
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  Speaker 2: Horticulture's vegetation, right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, horticulture is like, I don't know. I think if
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  Speaker 1: you want to be a landscaper or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: you study all the plants and the genesis and all
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  Speaker 1: those things. But I didn't know what ornamental horticulture. To me,
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  Speaker 1: I guess that means more like residential maybe planning, like
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  Speaker 1: different types of anyway, all right, she studied this.
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  Speaker 2: We don't need to know because we probably never hear that.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I just I found that interesting. She studied
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  Speaker 1: at the California Polytech State University and San Louis Obispo,
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  Speaker 1: and she was there in the summer of nineteen ninety four.
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  Speaker 1: While attending cal Poly, Lacey meets Scott Lee Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: Has put out some victims there.
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  Speaker 1: You know what. And when I read this initially, I
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  Speaker 1: read and this is a fun fact, Lacy Peterson and
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  Speaker 1: Kristen Smart were at cal Poly at this same time.
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  Speaker 1: Do you not find that interesting?
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, that's so interesting. So col Pauly has put
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  Speaker 1: out Lacy Peterson and has put out Kristen Smart. I
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  Speaker 1: have decided that cal Poly is not on and Chester
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  Speaker 1: the molester. Cal Poly is not on the list of
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  Speaker 1: colleges that Annabel will be attending in any way, Shaefer Farm.
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  Speaker 2: You could probably go to any single college and find
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  Speaker 2: some unfortunate crimes like that. So what is she never
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  Speaker 2: going to go to school?
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  Speaker 1: Again, what are the chances of lace the huge crimes
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  Speaker 1: Lacey Peterson and Kristen Smart or both at cal Paully.
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  Speaker 2: They're not huge crimes. They're murder no less than any
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  Speaker 2: other murder, no more.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the media attention on a global basis.
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  Speaker 2: Two to go to school where the crimes are swept
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  Speaker 2: under the rug, and they'll get media.
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  Speaker 1: I want her to go where there's no crime, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So she meets Scott Lee Peterson, who is a fellow
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  Speaker 1: student who is working as a waiter at the Pacific Cafe.
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  Speaker 1: Lacy leaves him her phone number and they begin dating.
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  Speaker 1: Soon afterward. Around Christmas of nineteen ninety four, Scott and
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  Speaker 1: Lacey become engaged, and then August ninth of nineteen ninety seven,
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  Speaker 1: Scott and Lacey mary at Sycamore Mineral Springs resort in
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  Speaker 1: California's of Villa Valley, approximately one hundred and fifty family
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  Speaker 1: members and friends at ten. In June of nineteen ninety eight,
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  Speaker 1: Scott graduates from cal Poly with a degree and agricultural business,
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  Speaker 1: and he and Lacey later operate a Hamburger restaurant called
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  Speaker 1: The Shack. That's interesting, I didn't know that. I think
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  Speaker 1: the first time around that they owned a restaurant together,
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  Speaker 1: like a small little yeah. I think it was popular
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  Speaker 1: near cal Poly for students.
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  Speaker 1: In two thousand, Scott and Lacey sell the shack and
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  Speaker 1: moved to Medesto to be closer to Lacey's family as
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  Speaker 1: they plan to have children. They purchased the home at
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  Speaker 1: five twenty three Covina Avenue. All right, please add that
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  Speaker 1: to my Leely Brunette tour. That's their home. It's in Modesto.
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  Speaker 1: The address is five twenty three Covina Avenue. Scott works
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  Speaker 1: for the agricultural Supply Company Trade Corp. While Lacey works
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  Speaker 1: as a substitute teacher. He sells fertilizer.
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  Speaker 2: Did you know that he's been selling it ever since?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. June of two thousand and two, after experiencing difficulty
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  Speaker 1: conceiving and undergoing fertility treatments, Lacey announces that she is pregnant.
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  Speaker 1: The couple learns they are expecting a boy, and they
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  Speaker 1: plan to name him Connor. I know of the other
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  Speaker 1: issues that came up at trial, and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if we get a lot into it, but they're the prosecution.
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  Speaker 1: I do believe alleged that part of the reason that
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  Speaker 1: he allegedly killed Lacey was because he did not want
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  Speaker 1: to have children, and that he had made it clear
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  Speaker 1: that he didn't want to have children, so that was
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  Speaker 1: a source of the for are.
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  Speaker 2: Other measures to take so you don't have children other
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  Speaker 2: than killing your family?
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  Speaker 1: Again, I said, allegedly killed, And I'm just saying that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, right, don't you Well it sounds like you're going
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  Speaker 2: in the direction of wrongfully blamed for killing.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe possibly, but we're going to talk about that in
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  Speaker 1: part two.
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  Speaker 2: We got Part two.
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  Speaker 1: On November twentieth of two thousand and two, Scott begins
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  Speaker 1: a romantic relationship with Fresno massage therapist Amber Fry, after
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  Speaker 1: being introduced to her by a friend named Sean Sibley.
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  Speaker 1: Scott tells Amber that he is single and lives alone
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  Speaker 1: in Sacramento. From November to December of two thousand and two,
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  Speaker 1: Scott becomes involved in Amber's life and spends time with
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  Speaker 1: her young daughter. According to Amber, he discusses a future
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  Speaker 1: with them, but says he does not want biological children
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  Speaker 1: of his own and has considered having a vasectomy. In
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  Speaker 1: early December of two, Sean Sibley, he was the friend
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  Speaker 1: that introduced them, learns that Scott is married and confronts him.
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  Speaker 1: Scott reportedly claims that he has lost his wife, but
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  Speaker 1: does not explain what happened to her. December of two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and two, Scott purchases as small he.
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  Speaker 2: Has to say he has a wife beat because they
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  Speaker 2: know he has kids.
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  Speaker 1: Who has kids?
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  Speaker 2: Well, why is he saying he lost his wife?
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  Speaker 1: Because he's having an affair and he doesn't want her
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  Speaker 1: to She never knows that he's married.
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  Speaker 2: But that's the thing. Why did he even have to
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  Speaker 2: say that. Why can't you say I'm single?
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know, because he just says he
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  Speaker 1: lost his wife. He says he doesn't look he's a douchebag.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not disputing that the.
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  Speaker 2: Guy is a I wasn't alleging that. I was just saying,
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  Speaker 2: why why does he have to come up with a story.
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  Speaker 1: That's his story he comes up with, and I believes
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  Speaker 1: that's what he tells amberfry to He says that he
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  Speaker 1: lost his wife. This is before it's weird. This is
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  Speaker 1: before Lacey disappears.
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  Speaker 2: No, I do.
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  Speaker 1: That's not great for him. That doesn't look great for him.
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  Speaker 2: I will love it looks great for this guy.
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  Speaker 1: I will agree with that. In December of two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and two, Scott purchases a small fishing boat for approximately
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  Speaker 1: fourteen hundred dollars in cash and keeps it at his
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  Speaker 1: warehouse without telling Lacey. We'll dispute that. Later records later
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  Speaker 1: introduced by prosecutors reportedly showed that he researched boats, fishing locations,
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  Speaker 1: and fish in season and currents in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: Saying that is this statement that he bought it without
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  Speaker 2: her knowing and did not disclose it to her, implying
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  Speaker 2: that it was in preparation of, yes, fishing trips with
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  Speaker 2: dead bodies. He threw me off when you said, fishing
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  Speaker 2: trips with dead bodies.
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  Speaker 1: The prosecution during the trial alleges that the boat was
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  Speaker 1: bought in secret as a premeditation to tactic in order
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  Speaker 1: to get rid of his wife, and that she did
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  Speaker 1: not know about the boat.
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  Speaker 2: However, that means nothing to me. So whether he told
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  Speaker 2: her or not does not imply murder or not murder.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but that's part of their I mean, it's all
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  Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence that he's convicted on.
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  Speaker 2: You can see the fishing boat and be like, wait,
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  Speaker 2: what do you have planned for me? What's going on here?
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  Speaker 1: No, but there there. Their argument is that he bought
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  Speaker 1: it in secret so that he could get rid of
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  Speaker 1: the body. And no one knows that he has a
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  Speaker 1: fishing boat.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they're other people knowing he has a fishing.
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  Speaker 1: It was supposed to Well, he claims, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: get into this impartant too, because there's more. He has
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  Speaker 1: a boat, right, but he claims that he bought the
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  Speaker 1: boat as a gift for his father in law, and
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  Speaker 1: that and then the prosecution during the trial makes it
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  Speaker 1: out to be like it's a secret fishing boat that
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  Speaker 1: nobody knew about, and this is his way of premeditated
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  Speaker 1: that he knows he's going to kill her, and this
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  Speaker 1: is his way of getting rid of the body. However,
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  Speaker 1: we will dispute that later. We're not going to do
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  Speaker 1: that now, Part two, Part two. According to Amber, this
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  Speaker 1: is December ninth of two thousand and two. So this
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  Speaker 1: timeline's very important because you know that Lacey is going
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  Speaker 1: to disappear soon. So December ninth of two thousand and two,
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  Speaker 1: according to Amber, Scott tells her that he has lost
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  Speaker 1: his wife and that the upcoming holiday will be his
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  Speaker 1: first without her. This conversation occurs approximately two weeks before
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  Speaker 1: Lacey actually does disappear. Now, this does not look great
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  Speaker 1: for Scott.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing it looks great for Scott.
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  Speaker 1: I know, nothing looks great. I understand. But when we
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  Speaker 1: get to part two, there are going to be some
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  Speaker 1: things that you are going to have to No, no,
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  Speaker 1: we can't.
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  Speaker 2: We gotta do this and then we'll do a prequel.
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  Speaker 1: But one this does bother me that he continues to
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  Speaker 1: tell people that he lost his wife. Why not like
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  Speaker 1: you said, why not just say you're single? I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't tell people I lost you. I had
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  Speaker 2: to say I'm single.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, that's great.
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  Speaker 2: They let make me feel better.
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  Speaker 1: I feel great now, thank you. Now, I know you're
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  Speaker 1: not going to kill me, get on me. You're not
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  Speaker 1: going to kill me.
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  Speaker 2: Though, And I don't by the fishing boat, I tell you, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I would know if you had a fishing boat. I
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  Speaker 1: know everything you do, I know everywhere you do anything.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Now we get to December twenty at the
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and two, Scott purchases a two day fishing
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  Speaker 1: license valid for December twenty third and the twenty fourth.
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  Speaker 1: All right, December twenty third to two thousand and two,
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  Speaker 1: So this is the day before we know is.
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  Speaker 2: He a fisherman by trade?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 2: Is he?
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  Speaker 1: I think he enjoys fishing.
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  Speaker 2: So that's not that's It's not like if I bought
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  Speaker 2: a fishing boat, you'd like, can never fish in your life?
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  Speaker 1: Would you know if you bought a fishing boat, that
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  Speaker 1: would be weird. I went and call Shane outdoorsy a
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  Speaker 1: fisherman or outdoorsy.
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  Speaker 2: Like I can't go out. I'm trapped at home all
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  Speaker 2: the time, right, you keep me kept in here?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sorry, all right, false imprisonment, all right. So
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  Speaker 1: now we get to December twenty third to two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and two. This is the day before her disappearance, and
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  Speaker 1: this is the day before Christmas Eve. Lacey visits the
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  Speaker 1: salon where her half sister, Amy Roacha works. Amy assumes
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  Speaker 1: that Scott plans to golf the following day because she
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  Speaker 1: had recently cut his hair for that purpose. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I guess he needed a haircut for a golf outing,
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  Speaker 1: he does tell police when they interview him. I do
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  Speaker 1: remember that they said, what were your plans for that day?
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  Speaker 1: He's going through the timeline of when Lacey, you know, disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: He had seen her that morning. He says that he'd
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  Speaker 1: planned either to go golfing or to go fishing. So
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  Speaker 1: the fishing trip, according to him in the interviews, was
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  Speaker 1: a spontaneous Okay, I'm just going to go fishing. December
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  Speaker 1: twenty third to two thousand and two, approximately at eight
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  Speaker 1: thirty pm, Lacey does speak briefly with her mother, Sharon Roache.
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  Speaker 1: This is the last confirmed contact that anyone other than
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  Speaker 1: Scott has with her.
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  Speaker 2: This is on the twenty third.
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  Speaker 1: This is the twenty third, so this is the day
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  Speaker 1: before Christmas Eve. Now we get to December twenty fourth,
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  Speaker 1: at two thousand and two. It is the morning time.
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  Speaker 1: Scott later tells investigators that he and Lacey ate breakfast
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  Speaker 1: and watched Martha Stewart Living. He says Lacey planned to
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  Speaker 1: mop the floor and walk the couples this old watch
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  Speaker 1: riever Mackenzie more innocent.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, we were watching Martha Stewart Living.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, But this is funny though, because he does
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: tell investigators that and they don't believe him at all,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: and I believe they don't do their due diligence. So
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: then in trial, I believe that they think that they're going.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: To be They question him, like what she was preparing
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: that day, Martha Stewart.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Or something, Yes, and he said merengue, and.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Then they looked it up.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: They didn't look it up. They just assumed that he
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: was lying. Then the defense pulls up the actual episode
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: and she does talk about marengue. Oh, I think they
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: talked about marringe at nine forty eight in the morning,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: So that's establishing a time.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: You're like, that would be weird if it was like,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: what if they watched Housewives, Yeah, and they're like, I
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: remember it was in Emily said I'm going to kill you. Yeah,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: and then they pull it up in court.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be great. I would love to contribute
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: in any way possible. December twenty fourth two or in
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the morning, he talks about Martha Stewart living After approximately
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: nine forty eight am, Scott leaves the couple's home and
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: drives to his where house located about three miles away.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about this timeline and the timeline
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: and trial because the timeline, Yeah, well and part two
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: we're going to pick up our turt right now. I know,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: but right now we're just going to go with what
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: the prosecution alleges.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: So we're kind of going in chronological order of how
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: the evidence is being surfaced and everything.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: They claim that he left prior to ten in the morning,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: because I believe when he gets to work his work
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: computer he's logged on I think at like ten oh
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: eight or something like that, and his office is very
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: close by his home. So the timeline is suggesting that
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: he probably I think the Martha Stewart episode where they
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: said Meringue was nine forty eight, but then he logs
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: into his work computer at ten oh eight, So you
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: can you can give.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Twenty minutes is not reasonable for him to go from?
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: No, it is? It is, So I'm saying.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: He can't add up.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Then well, yeah, he probably leaves the house at nine
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: point fifty and then he gets to work at ten.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: But they have They're very stuck on that timeline because
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: for the prosecution, they claim that she was murdered prior
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: to that time. That's the how Scott's guilty. Right. She
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: has to be dead before he leaves for work.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Right, because he logged into his computer. That was the
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: alibi for where he was at that time. Thus the
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: murder had to take place prior to if it was him.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Also, on December twenty fourth, this is approximately at ten
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: eighteen am, the neighbor Karen Service, finds Mackenzie the dog
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: wandering outside with his leash still attached. She returns the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: dog to the Peterson's yard.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: What time is this again?
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: This is at ten eighteen. She claims it's ten eighteen,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: and the prosecution goes with her timeline again. I'm going
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to say this probably five million times. There are other
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: witnesses that we're going to talk about in part two
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: that might pick apart this timeline. But as for today's purpose,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: based upon a receipt that she had and some other
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: things going on, she narrows it down to about ten
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: eighteen that she finds the dog with the leash attached. Also,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know if this was in
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the original trial or not, but the leash is found
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: wet and with lots of pieces of grass on it,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: which would mean that the dog.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: Well at least went through some grassy area, right, Not
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: that the dog, Not that Lacey had had the dog
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: and put the leash on and then maybe ran back
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: in the house really quickly to get something, and the
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: dog was only briefly there that Scott Peterson put the
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: leash on the dog and set the dog loose. Well
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: wait a minute, but why couldn't the dog by itself
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: go through a gag grassy field.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: It could. I'm not saying that she took the dog
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: through the grassy field. I'm just saying that its significant
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that the leash is wet and has grass stuck all
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: over it, which means that the dog had been probably
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: out somewhere, not just left briefly in front of the house.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying right now, all right, all right,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: So the dog is found with the leash still attached.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Now December twenty fourth of two thousand and two. Now
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: we get to approximately ten thirty to eleven am. Computer
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: activity places Scott at his warehouse where he reads and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: sends emails. He then attaches his fishing boat to his
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: truck and drives roughly ninety miles to the Berkeley Marina.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Now that's another question I have, and a lot of
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: people question this, and this is why a lot of
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: people think that he was guilty if you're going to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: go fishing, because he claims that he only takes the
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: fishing boat out. This is a very small fishing boat.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: If you've seen a picture of it, it's it's just
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: like a little like ten fishing boat blow ten. I
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's great aluminum.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: It's ten ten ten ten T I number no ten
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: t N like a just small little fishing boat.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have a cover.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not something you would go out with
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: your girlfriends on.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Not with your with your No. I would suggest don't
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: go out in as an old right, Yeah, right December
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: twenty fourth of two, twelve fifty four pm, a parking
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: receipt places Scott at the Berkeley Marina. He later says
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: he took the boat out to test it and fish
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: near Brooks Island approximately between one and two pm. Scott
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: says he fishes in San Francisco Bay, and prosecutors would
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: later emphasize that Lacy and Connor's remains were eventually found
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: close to this area. All Right, around two fifteen pm,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Scott calls the Peterson home and Lacy's cell phone. He
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: leaves a message saying he is leaving Berkeley and asked
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Lacy to pick up a holiday gift basket. I have
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: listened to this voicemail. He's very, very very sweet. Now
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: here's the question, go k salved. Well, here's the question.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Is she already dead and he knows that she's dead,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: so he's establishing an alibi by calling and leaving a voicemail,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: or is she not dead? He has no idea she's
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: dead and he's just being and playing the doting husband
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that's having an.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Affair that she has hearst of. That is, does he
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: normally leave messages to her? Well, if I left a
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: message for you. That would be weird.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: It would be very weird.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: On well, we do texting now, but that that's what
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Out of the ordinary.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Well, he calls and leaves a message, and he calls
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: her sweet and he's like, if you called left me
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: a voicemail and you called me sweetie, there's a serious
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: problem that you've done something wrong. You're up to no good.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Then we get to approximately four thirty pm. Scott returns
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: to his warehouse, leaves the boat there, and drives home.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: He says that he finds Lacey's car in the driveway,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the front door unlocked, and Mackenzie is in the yard
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: with the leash still attached. Later in that afternoon, Scott
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: puts his clothes in the washing machine, eats leftover pizza,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and takes a shower before contacting Lacey's family. He later
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: says he initially assumed that she was at her mother's house.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Then by five seventeen pm, this is still on Christmas Eve,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Scott calls Sharon Rocha and learns that Lacey is not
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: with her family. He tells Sharon that Lacey is missing.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Five forty seven pm, Lacey's stepfather, Ron Grantsky calls nine
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: one one and reports that eight month pregnant Lacey has disappeared.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Approximately six pm, the Mowdesto Police begins searching East Laloma Park,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: where Lacey reportedly walked the dog Anna's Sam In the
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Peterson home. Investigators find no obvious signs of forced entry
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: or a violent struggle. December twenty fourth to the twenty
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: fifth police search the home, Scott's truck, and his warehouse.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Scott voluntarily participates in a videotaped interview shortly after midnight
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and initially says he is willing to take a polygraph.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: He later declines on his father's advice. Let me just
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: say a little bit about this taped interview. They show
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: this interview all the time. Anytime you watch a Lacy
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Peterson Scott Peterson documentary, they show this interview of its
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: detective Brokini interviewing Scott about Lacey, what he did that day,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: he went fishing, all those things. Scott looks like the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: biggest doucher in this interview because his wife is missing.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: At this point, no one knows where she is. She
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: hasn't been seen, she's eight months pregnant. They interview him
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: it's on video tape. I've seen it multitudes of times.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: He's completely relaxed. He shows no emotion, stoic kind of huh, well,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I mean stoic. He's disengaged, disassociative, whatever you want to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: call it. Like, he doesn't seem to give a carer
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: in the world. That is pregnant wife of eight months
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: is missing and no one can find her.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I can picture that. I remember that Scott Peterson used
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: the word missing immediately when calling his mother in law Sharon,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: on Christmas Eve in two thousand and two, which Sharon
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: testified felt like a premature and suspicious choice of language
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: when he called her.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, but listen, if you come home and you can't
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: find me and you don't know where I am, you
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: wouldn't call my sister and say Emily is missing.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: No, your sister lives in Ohio. How that can help me?
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: This is this? Nope, you have to make it apples
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: and apples. If you don't hear from me from ten
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: o'clock until five o'clock, right, I don't respond or anything,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: and then you want to know where I am because
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: you want to get mad at me for something, Right,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: then you call my parents, Do you say Shane is
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: missing or I can't. I haven't heard from him. I
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: can't find him. Have you heard from him? Do you
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: know where he is? You don't say Shane is missing.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: That's not that's not true. It's not missing. He's not
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: missing yet.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe I would say Shane is missing because you're always here.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: If you're always here and you're not here, you're missing.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I probably would call your mom and go, Shane is missing.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, stucking up, Shane is missing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Though he initially says
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: in the interview that he will take a polygraph, and
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: then he goes, it's accurate, right, he asked the detective,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: and the detectives like, well, yeah, I mean, I guess, yeah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: it's accurate.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Would you advise him if you were his attorney, would
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: you advise him to take a polygraph?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: No?
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Well, he then he declines later I believe after he
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: talks to his dad and he just declined a polygraph,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I would not. Yeah, would you take a polygraph if
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I was missing?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Do I have anything to do with it? Because that
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: changes my answer.
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• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Now December twenty six, so we get to the day
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: after Christmas as Search headquarters opens at the Red Lion Hotel.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Volunteers conduct extensive searches by foot, horseback and boat. December
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: twenty six, of two thousand and two, a home across
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the street from the Peterson residence is burglarized. The defense
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: later argues that the burglary could be connected to Lacey's disappearance,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and police arrest the burglars and conclude the crime occurred
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: on December twenty six and was unrelated, although the timing
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and possible connection remained disputed by Peterson's supporters. Again, I
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: will say that I do not think in any way,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: shape or form that this burglary took place on December
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: twenty six. There's no way. By this point Lacey had
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: been missing for two days, which means that her entire
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: street is full of police, police, investigators, caution, tapets, reporters.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me that with all that police presence
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and all those reporters, and they.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Probably would rather steal all the Christmas presents under the
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: tree on the twenty fourth rather than on twenty six,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: and they have to go find it exactly.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: So, you cannot convince me that that happened on December
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: twenty sixth. It happened on December twenty fourth. But we
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: will talk about that more or later. Part two, Part two.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: On December twenty ninth of O two, Fresno police officer
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Richard Byrd tells Amber that the Scott Peterson she is
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: dating appears to be the husband of the missing Modesto woman.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Amber then contacts Modesto police and meets with detectives Al
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Brokini and John Buehler. She provides photographs, gifts, and details
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: establishing her relationship with Scott. At investigator's requests, she agrees
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to secretly record future conversations with him. Then, on December
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: thirtieth of two, Scott hires attorney Kirk McAllister. While the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: missing person investigation is underway, you know, it's also there's
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: so much footage of everyone looking for Lacey, and I
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: don't know if Scott was really involved in a lot.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: He didn't go to the memorial thing or the thing
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: where they hold candles.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's not a good look for him.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like he I think nothing.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Nothing is a good look for this guy.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: You keep saying that, you know, and he avoids the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: media in the beginning, he doesn't answer questions. Not a
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: good look for him. And then when he does decide
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that he's going to go in front of the media
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and do interviews and answer questions. Horrible, horrible look for
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: him awful.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Well, then then I know we're fast forwarding. But then
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: he tries to run away, doesn't He bleach his hair
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: and get a bunch of cash and he goes to
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: the border. It's like, dude, this guy.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: He does he does? Yeah, I don't know, though. You
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: could look at that two ways. You could look at
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: it like he already knows the police have honed in
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: on him, and that you.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Can always look at it like you're running because you're innocent.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just saying be open minded. On January
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: sixth of two thousand and three, Scott does admit to
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Amber that he has not been traveling overseas and that
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: his pregnant wife has disappeared. On Christmas Eve, Amber confronts
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: him about why he previously said he had already lost
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: his wife, and Scott does not provide a clear explanation
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: or confess to harming Lacey. You know, she records all
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: these conversations thinking that at some point she's going to
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: get some kind of evidence where he's going to admit
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to her that like he did, something to Lacy, but
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: he never does.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: My favorite though, is when he pretends to be in Paris.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: He tells her that he's been traveling across Europe.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I guess something.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, I'm and he's like talking to
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: her and he's like, I'm looking at the Eifel.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Fertilizer in Paris.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I was like, my gosh, why would he do that?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Is he trying to say he's romantic without her? Like,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I don't get it?
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I think he can't see her because the police
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: are looking for his wife, so he has to come
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: up with a reason why they can't get together. So
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: he tells her he's traveling in Europe. So he keeps
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: calling her to keep this relationship going, but he can't
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: physically see her because he's supposed to be looking for
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: his wife, right right, And he can't get caught with
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: his I mean, he's got the media all over him.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: They'reollowing him every where he goes. So he tells her
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: he's traveling Europe and he's looking at the house.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Do not think that Amber Frey's going to see him
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: on TV?
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not saying the guy's bride and.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: It's not a good look. It's not a good look
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: for him, not a good look.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: January twenty, third of three, Amber publicly reveals that she
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: began dating Scott after he told her that he was unmarried.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: She explains that she immediately contacted the police after learning
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: of Lacey's disappearance. Lacey's family announces that it has learned
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: of Scott's affair, and family members who had initially defended him,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: they withdraw their public support. They withdraw their support, like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: on camera, they made sure they made a thing out
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: of it. They basically go up into a press conference
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: and say, we no longer support Scott Peterson.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Would you, I mean, was your son in law?
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what I would do. I
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: don't know. I've never been in a situation like that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't be.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: He's county, so it's hard for you to say that's
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: what you would do.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yes, all right, he doesn't, like I said,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: He initially avoids all media contact. He doesn't do interviews,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: he doesn't talk to anyone, he declines comments. He's always
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you know, they show everyone out searching. He's like on
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the outskirts or not there. He's not involved. He doesn't
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: look like he cares. So I think they.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Sell his car too soon.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: He sold her car, yeah, not soon, but it was,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: you know, not a good look. It was before I
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: believe he sold I'm not sure when he sold her car,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: but I think it was before the body was found.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: On January twenty eighth of two thousand and three, Scott
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: does an interview with Diane Sawyer on Good Morning America.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: He should have never done this interview.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Why why would you do an interview? Well, you know
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: why you would do an interview if you if you're innocent,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and you're trying to get the word out, and you're
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: really trying to get exposure so hopefully you get some
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: leads and stuff.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: No. I think that because so many people were telling
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: him that he looks so bad in the press and
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: in the media, that maybe he sho should.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: You should go in Good Morning America and look bad.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I'm terrible for the press.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: He denies murdering Lacey or having anything to do with
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: her disappearance. However, this is so ridiculous. I can't believe
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: he did that. He claims that Lacey knew about the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: affair with Amber Fry and that she was okay with it.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, why would you say
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: And then they always say that, They always say like, oh, yeah,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: we were kind of separating. They kind of knew.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: No, but he doesn't claim that they were like separated right.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Now, but they always kind of Oh, this is even worse.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: He's like, he.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Claims that, like she knew about it, she was okay
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: with it. She's eight months pregnant. She's fine with him
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: having an affair with somebody else.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Most couples watch Martha Stewart and then he can go golfing,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: fishing and screws someone on the side.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Right, Yes, he you know, I don't. He needed a
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: media consultant, He needed someone to help him before he
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: did this interview.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Don't go into me, or he needed.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: To just not say anything. He needed to stick with
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the not talking to the media because going in front
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: of Diane Sawyer and answering questions about an affair, but
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: then saying that Lacey was fine with the affair and
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: she was cool with it, and then when Diane pressed
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: him on it and he said, well, you just don't
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: know our relationship. You sound like an idiot, a complete idiot.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: You sound like a liar.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Not a good look.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: It's not a good look. Early in two thousand and three,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: investigators monitor Scott as he makes several trips to the
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: Berkeley Marina, authoritizing his vehicle. I think, right, oh, yeah,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: they had trackers on him. Yeah. Authorities conduct searches of
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: the bay, but initially failed to locate Lacey so this
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: she disappeared on December twenty fourth. On April thirteenth of
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: two thousand and three, following a storm, the remains of
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a male fetus are discovered along the San Francisco Bay
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: shoreline in Richmond on April fourteenth. The following day, the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: decomposed torso of an adult woman is found nearby. The
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: body is missing its head, forearms, and lower legs. Investigators
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: note that both sets of remains washed ashore near the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: area where Scott said he had gone fishing. Autopsies and
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: DNA testing identify the remains as Lacey and Connor, and
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: because of the condition of Lacey's body, examiners cannot conclusively
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: determine precisely when, where or how she died, and that
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: is a theme that will carry all the way into trial.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: There is no evidence. I just want to reiterate this.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: There is no evidence, no DNA, no forensics that can
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: identify how she died, when she died, where she died.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: In April of two thousand and three, forensic pathologist doctor
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Brian Peterson concludes that Connor died in Utero and was
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: likely expelled from Lacey's body after her death. He finds
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: no indication that Connor was naturally delivered or removed by
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: cesarean section. All right, so now we get to the
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: arrest of Scott Peterson on April eighteenth, the two thousand
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and three police follow Scott into San Diego as he
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: drives toward Tory Pines golf Course, where.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: It's an hour four months later or four months later,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Modesto and San Diego. It's a little bit of a drive.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: It's like eight hours, right, because it we're Modesto's up
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: by the San Francisco.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Up towards that direction, Amita, how far up.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: And now we're getting down to San Diego. It might
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: even be longer than eight hours, maybe that's nine.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Either way, it's now meaning it's not just like the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: county next door.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: It's like right, right, they issue an arrest warrant for
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: him for murder, but they they're tracking him, and they
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: track him in San Diego.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: They probably saw it as fleeing, and so they quickly
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: right got an arrest warrant.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Right because he's getting close to Mexico. Right after Scott
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: attempts to evade the vehicles following him, officers arrest him.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: This is on April eighteenth. Of three authorities find approximately
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars in cash, four cell phones, camping supplies,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: his brother's identification, a map to Amber's workplace. His hair
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and goateee have been dyed blonde. Prosecutors and the media
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: characterized these circumstances as evidence that he may have planned
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: to flee. Scott's family says he changed his appearance to
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: avoid reporters and possessed the other items for innocent reasons.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, maybe he was planning to flee.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Where did they catch him though? It wasn't he golfing?
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Well, they claimed that he was supposed to meet, you know,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: his family to play golf at the Tory Pines golf course.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Uh huh do you know? Did they just pull him over?
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and arrest him. But he was driving somebody else's vehicle.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: He wasn't driving his own. He was driving like some
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: older two seater Mercedes. Obviously he's trying to avoid. I mean,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I understand he's probably trying to avoid not only police,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: but also he's trying to evade. I'm sure he's followed
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: everywhere by reporters too. Yeah, I mean, this guy can't
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: He can't go golf at Tory Pine's golf course without
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: having a media frenzy following him everywhere he's going. While
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: detect his transport Scott back to Modesto, they receive confirmation
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: that the remains belong to Lacy and to Connor. Scott's
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: response is later described by investigators as limited. I don't know.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think he shows much emotion once he knows
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that it's confirmed that it's his wife and son that
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: have been found in the bay. I don't think he
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: shows that's a big thing, like.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: One way or another. Like he's not feeling like, hey, okay,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: well I'm glad we found her body. We can now
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: investigate further. And it's not even sadness that she's dead.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Right, No, he doesn't show much emotion ever since the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: day she disappeared. But then, you know, sometimes I think
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: if someone if I was missing and someone interviewed you
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: about me missing, I don't know if you would show
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of emotion either, because you're not a very
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: emotional person. But that doesn't mean you're guilty.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: No, that was a very nice thing to say.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying, like, you're not the kind of
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: guy that's going to be like weeping and crying and
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: like throwing yourself on the ground, and like why why I.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Don't know any guy that would do that in media
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: if their wife is missing, throw themselves on the ground.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just saying, you're not going to
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: make a big emotional You're not going to look emotional.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I just know you. You just you don't show a lot
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: of emotion sometimes. So I'm just saying, if I disappeared
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: and they interviewed you, I.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Might show some emotions.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right. Scott is arraigned on two murder charges.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: He is charged with first degree murder in Lacy's death
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and second degree murder in Connor's death. Prosecutors announced that
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: they will seek the death kind of.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: You know, if I didn't show emotions.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Oh we're back to that again.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, it wouldn't work really too much against me, you
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: know I because I also didn't go fishing where your
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: body was found. I didn't have an affair that I'm
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: saying is so stupidly recognized by you and is okay
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: by you. You know. I wouldn't have any of those things.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: I get it. You're so you could and that.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Would be one thing, big deal.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so you're allowed to have a lack of emotion.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Could you do anything else wrong? Scott's family hires high
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: profile defense attorney. Who does he hire? You know this?
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: He hires?
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Come on, yes. Garago's team investigates possible sightings of Lacey
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: after Scott left home, and the burglary across the street,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and other alternative theories. April first of two thousand and four,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: President George W. Bush signs the Federal Unborn Victims of
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Violence Acts, sometimes called the Lacy and Connor's Law. The
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: legislation recognizes an embryo or fetus as a separate victim
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: when injured or killed during certain federal violent crimes. California
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: already had a fetal homicide law, under which Scott was
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: charged separately for Connor's death. All Right, he goes to jail,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: or he goes to trial in January of two thousand
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and four.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, if he's found not guilty and he's now has charged,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: his conviction is reversed, does that make Garrogos look like
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: a bad attorney? Is that not a good look for him?
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Well, just in general, if let's say, let's say evidence
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: now surfaces. Yeah, let's say I don't know, there's a
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: retrial or a mini trial or some appeal or something
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: where now it's like, you know what, Scott Peterson, there
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: is doubt, well that.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Is going on right now, the project is according.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: To that's the that's the court order. They reverse it.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Does that make his defense attorney look bad?
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Well? I think that Gargos made some mistakes, that's for sure.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: But I also when we get to part two, we
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: will talk about the fact that there was a lot
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: of evidence that the that the police suppressed that Gargos
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: was not privy.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: To Okay, Okay, So that's more of a legal administrative matter.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: A prosecutorial problem. Okay, And we'll get more to that,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: all right. In January two thousand and four, Because of
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: extensive publicity in Modesto, the trial is transferred from Stanislaus
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: County to San Mateo County. Guerragos has requested Los Angeles,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: but the court selects Redwood City. A jury selection takes place,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and prospective jurors are questioned extensively about media exposure, their
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: opinions of Scott, and their views on capital punishment. Look,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: this case was so huge and it was so much
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: in the media. I don't know if change of venue
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: does anything to help Scott Peterson. I mean, I know
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: they're going to take it out of the Modesto ARAA.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: That was probably defense wanting a more favorable venue. Maybe
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: he's more familiar with them, Maybe the peers will be
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: more lenient.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe. June first of two thousand and four, Scott's trial
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: begins before Judge Alfred de Lucci. Prosecutor Rick Distasso argues
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: that Scott killed Lacy because he wanted freedom from the
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: marriage and from fatherhood. The prosecution theorizes that he killed
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: her at home in the morning, transported her body in
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: his boat, and then dumped her in the San Francisco
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Bay using homemade concrete anchors. Garrigosa Hiss defense attorney argues
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: that Scott's adultery and lies do not make him a murderer.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: That's very important because a lot of times when people
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: talk about Scott Peterson and they talk about how he's guilty,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone can actually articulate solid evidence as
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: to why they think he's guilty. Just everyone hates Scott Peterson,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: so they put they hate that they have for Scott
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Peterson and the fact that he had this affair with
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Amber Fry and that he looks like a douchebag. That
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't equate murderer. Just wanted to put that out there.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you thought he was a murder at one
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: point for all those reasons.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I did until I until I've dug further into it,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: which we will talk about.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: At part two. In Part two, does you start to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: look better? In part two?
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Does what like?
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: So far? In part one? The theme is not a
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: good look?
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Does he do anything that has a good look in
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: part two? Or is he still not a good look? Well?
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think he doesn't change his demeanor or
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: look better. I'm just saying in part two, there's a
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: lot of things that a lot of evidence that was
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: left out and that was suppressed, and I think that
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: we're going to dig into that and that you might
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: be more open minded and have an alternative viewpoint after
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: listening to other sides.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Sense right now life without parole?
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Is he doing anything to better himself in prison? Like
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: we learned with the Meninda's brothers, it regardless they were
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: pursuing education and reform and helping prisoners. Did he do
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: any of that? Because if not, it's not a good look.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: He has long hair, I know that, and it hasn't
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: a ponytail.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Well, that doesn't equal murder, I know.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't know. Garrgos argues that Scott's
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: adultery and lies do not make him a murderer.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I have a comment on that. It doesn't make him
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: a murder. Yes, but it does and.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Help, No, it doesn't help.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: It's not a good look.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: No, it's not a good look. But the point is,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, because they hate him
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: so much, it is hard to get past that hatred.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: You just get to the point where you think he's
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: such a douchebag and such a terrible person, and he
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: comes off so horrible on camera that you just say
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: he did it without there being any evidence, no DNA,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: no forensics, nothing linking him to it.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: There's nothing showing him to be not guilty either, so far. Maybe.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: In Part two, the defense emphasizes the absence of direct
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: forensic evidence establishing that Lacey was killed in the house, truck, warehouse,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: or boat. There is no forensic evidence to prove that
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: she was killed in the house. There's no forensic evidence.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: How did he do that? You're telling me he cleaned
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: four sights before the evening when he calls her mom
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and tells her that she she's missing. He so he
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: manages to time. I ask you, no.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Did he Is there any record that he cleaned anything?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: No?
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Is there any record that he washed clothing or anything?
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: He did he washed his clothes, but maybe he always
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: washed his clothes. I don't know. Do you wash it?
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: You do laundry?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not Skott Peterson, all right, he he I
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: don't know. He watches Martha Stewart Living. Maybe he does
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: wash his clothes.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Yes. Juror Justin Falconer is questioned after making a comment
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: to Lacey's brother. He initially remains on the panel, but
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: is later removed after other jurors report that he discussed
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: evidence outside of the formal deliberations. This is on June
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: seventeenth of two thousand and four, after the trial started.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors present evidence including Scott's undisclosed boat, the fishing license
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: is at Berkeley Marina, receipt, cell phone activity, concrete residue
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: at his warehouse, and his research into boats and bay currents.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Investigators also testify that Scott returned to the marina several
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: times after Lacey disappeared.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Ooh, why do he keep going to the marina? Maybe
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: he was fishing when his wife is missing.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Well, he's calling his girlfriend too when his wife is
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: missing and telling her, telling her that he's looking at
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the Eiffel Tower. I'm just saying the prosecution experiences setbacks.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: This is in the summer of two thousand and four.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: During the trial, it incorrectly suggests that Scott lied about
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: watching a Martha Stewart segment involving meringue. The defense produces
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the episode and confirms that the meringue was discussed. I
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: do know that when this trial first started, Garagos was
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: on a roll. I mean, he thought he was going
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: to win this thing.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I remember that he was media announcements.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: He was taking out the prosecution right and left, and
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: it was looking good.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Add Peterson pay for this.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I think he has pretty wealthy parents.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: They his parents retained Garagos because Garagos was going onto
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Larry King Live. Because Larry King was always talking, like
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: every night they were talking about the Scott Peterson case,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: and Gary Gos was always the you know, the guest,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: the guest, the legal and he was always saying things
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: like there's no evidence. He was commenting on it, and
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Scott Peterson's family watched it and liked that he was
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: always taking the position of there's not evidence, there's no DNA.
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: No.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: I know they did. They reached out and hired him.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: The defense produces the episode and confirms that meringue was discussed.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: A police officer also gives testimony about Scott's behavior that
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: had not been properly disclosed to the defense. August tenth
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: of two thousand and four, Amber begins testifying jurors. Hear
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: about her relationship with Scott and listen to recorded calls
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: documenting his lies. Some jurors later say that the tapes
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: were important because they demonstrate his ability to manipulate others
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and remain focused on Amber while Lacey was missing. You know,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: amberfries that when she turned those tapes over to police
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: that she didn't have any idea that they were going
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: to be used in court, in open court, and that
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it was embarrassing for her for
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: those conversations to be publicly out there globally for everyone
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: to listen to their conversations. Detective Craig Grogan presents a
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: lengthy list of circumstances that investigators believe point to Scott.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: They include his secret boat purchase, the marina, received fishing license,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: bay research, concrete debris and limited early cell phone activity,
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: and repeated visits to the marina. Forensic pathologist doctor Brian
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Peterson testifies about the condition of Lacy and Connor's remains.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: He says Connor most likely died before being expelled from
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Lacey's uterus, undermining the theory that Lacey gave birth while
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: being held captive by abductors. I do know that Lacey's
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: mother went to court every single day except for the
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: day that they talked about the condition of the remains.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Gregory DeVore estimates that Connor died honor around December
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: twenty third. Isn't that convenient that he just uses this information,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: this chart from nineteen eighty four and he comes up
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: with this conclusion that Connor died on December.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Based on some evidence he saw as to the bot
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: and status of the body. He is some chart and
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: it leads to December twenty third.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Yes, I just find and he's the expert, and I'd
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: find that interesting. Defense expert doctor Charles March places Connor's
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: death several days later, but admits that his calculation relies
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: partly on assumptions and that fetal age cannot be determined
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: with complete certainty. Jury's later report finding DeVore that's the
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: first one. That's the prosecution's expert more credible. You know,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. Sometimes I feel like, you know,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: when you talk about junk science, like we've talked about
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: how bite marks have been used in the past to
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: convict someone one.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Well, in last week we talked about fire science, right,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: and how now how that that was a wrongfully reported
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: origin of fire with arson accelerants versus electrical.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Right, So now when you look back on this fetal
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: age and being able to look at a body and
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: determine the gestational age. Obviously, the prosecution wants to establish
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: that Lacy and Connor died on December twenty third, because
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: if they died any later than December twenty third or
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: the twenty fourth, that means Scott Peterson didn't do it.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: So it has to be the twenty fourth or twenty third,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: And so to find an expert that says that based
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: upon I don't know, these are.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Really composed fetus right.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, it seems more like junk science. Again.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: November first of two thousand and four, closing arguments began.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Prosecutors stress that Scott placed himself at the bay on
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: the day Lacey disappeared, and that the body's surface near
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: his fishing location. They acknowledge that the exact manner of
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: death is unknown, but suggest strangulation or suffocation. He also
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: ran into people when he was there, so he so fishing. Yeah,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: So they alleged that he takes his truck and he
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: puts the body in his truck. So he's got to
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: move the body from the house to the truck without
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: anyone seeing him, even though the neighbors see him in
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: the morning when he's outside.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like he has some remote home on
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: some property behind trees, right, So it's like a regular
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: neighborhood with homes across the street and right next door neighbor.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: So he's got to get let's just think about this logically,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: he's got to get a pregnant woman out of the
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: house and into the back of his truck. Then he's
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: got to drive his truck to his warehouse where he
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: keeps the boat. Now I saw the video of his warehouse.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of businesses that are in this warehouse.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: It's not just a loan warehouse. There's multiple doors like
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: garage doors, so he has a space, so there's lots
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: of other people that have space here. So he then
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: has to get the body out of his truck and
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: into the boat without anyone seeing him. Again, this is
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: just a shallow aluminum boat, not a ten. Then he's
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: got to drive the body in the boat ninety minutes
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: to a marina, and he doesn't go to.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Some remote Let me disagree with you. Why did he
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: have to put the body in the boat. I'm telling you.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, maybe you're the amount of transferring of
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: the body isn't as much as you think he puts
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: in it. It was a truck.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: He has to put it in the boat. How does
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: he take it?
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Let me finish my statement, lady. He put it in
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: the truck right then he drives and he connects the boat.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: He didn't need to take it out yet. Then maybe
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: he went when he had a more secluded area that
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: he was in for taking it off the trailer. When
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: he's dipping the boat into the lake of the bay,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: then he could have put it in there at that time.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: But he goes to a highly populated place to put
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: his boat into the water. He's talking to other people
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: about fishing and what they caught that day. So I'm
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: saying the prosecution claims that the body is in the
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: boat November two. In two thousand and four, Garrigos argues
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: that there is no direct forensic evidence proving Lacey was
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: murdered in the Peterson home or transported in Scott's vehicle
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: or boat. He portrays the investigation as a rush to
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: judgment against an unfaithful husband. Now we get to the
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: deliberations and the verdict. So during the deliberations, jurors reviews
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Scott's first police interview, examined his boat, and reconsidered the
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: prosecution's circumstantial case again circumstantial. Some jurors interpret his early
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: mention of grief, council, efforts to sell the house and
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Lacy's vehicle, and addition of adult cable channels as signs
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: that he knew she would not return. I mean, he
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: did try to sell the house and he did sell
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: her car before she was found, So that is an indication.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: You could look at it as an indication that he
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: knew that she was not coming back.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Not a good look.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Not a good look.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: You know. I remember the one that made for TV
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: movie on this Yeah, who played Scott Peterson? No, Dean Kine.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: Dean Kane.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I remember that? Oh really yeah, I watched. It was
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: a poorly dumb movie. I wouldn't recommend it.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: No, well, there's a lot of documentaries on the documentaries.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Juror fran Gorman is removed after disclosing that she independently
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: researched a fishing website, and foreman Greg Jackson is later
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: replaced and eventually removed after reporting that he discussed the
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: case outside formal deliberations. Alternates to join the panel, requiring
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: deliberations to restart. On November twelfth of two thousand and four,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the jury Scott guilty of first degree murder for Lacey's
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: death and second degree murder for Connor's. The first degree
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: verdict reflects of finding that Lacy's murder was deliberate and premeditated.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Jurors select second degree murder for Connor because they find
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: insufficient evidence that Scott separately planned to kill him. After
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: a separate penalty phase, the jury recommends that Scott received
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the death penalty. Judge Delucci formally sentence Scott to death
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: by lethal injection. This is on March sixteenth of two
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: thousand and five, and he is sent to San Quentin
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: State Prison, where I believe he is still today. And
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: as we discussed earlier, he is no longer sentenced to death,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: that has been re sentenced to life in prison. All right,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: we have gotten through Part one. All right, This concludes
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: part one of our analysis on the Scott and Lacy
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Peterson case. Please listen to Part two exclusively and the
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• 57:03
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• 57:07
  Speaker 1: expect to see next with this case. Also, I would
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: just like to reiterate that the Los Angeles Nosence Project
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: is a very respected innocence project that only takes cases
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: where they believe someone is factually innocent, not that there's
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt, not that they didn't have good defense counsel,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: where they truly like the evidence that someone is factually innocent.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: So we will get into that into part two, so
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: please make sure to listen to Scott Peterson Part two.
• 57:50
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