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Does Everlasting Love Exist? · Obnoxiously Pleasant

• 0:06
  SPEAKER_02: Today's episode is about what, Lena?
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, is everlasting love a real thing?
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_03: Does it does it exist?
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's a heavy question.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's gonna be an awesome question.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_02: I actually let me let me pull up my notes.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because I did a poll.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we asked we asked you guys a couple questions about on Instagram and I asked friends too, right?
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm going by like the numbers on Instagram.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I asked two questions.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_02: The first question was, do you believe in everlasting love?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_02: And the second question was, do you believe in the concept of falling in love with someone?
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but before before you get into that, yeah, we should we should uh see what our opinions are first.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_02: And do I believe in the concept of everlasting love?
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I don't.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: Why not?
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so here's the thing not that I do anyway, but I just I like how she just was like, I was like, listen, I was so judgmental.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, why not?
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's not, it's not um that I don't let me let me rephrase that.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's not that I don't believe in the concept of everlasting love.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think this concept of everlasting love is something that you actually have to work on constantly.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_02: There you nobody loves everyone.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was the last uh episode that you said you have to love the crust.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_02: The crust.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_02: The crust.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_02: When you love someone, you gotta love the crust.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_02: When you love someone, you have to love the crust.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's why I don't think everlasting love is a thing.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_02: I think it is, you know, you grow together and you work on things that annoy you about the other person and that annoy the other person about you.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and that growth that you experience together, that's kind of a bond that you form.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: But and I also don't believe that people fall in love.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: I believe that people fall in lust.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_02: Heck yeah.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: No, nobody ever says, nobody ever looks at someone who's like, man, I love this person.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, that's so not true.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, fine, whatever.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_03: Because I mean, all these like amazing poets and like all these people, you're trying you're trying to tell me that like there's no such thing.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_03: They're just like heartbroken artists.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: Somebody broke their heart.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so you don't believe in everlasting love.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_03: I think it takes work.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't say it.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: No, but I agree with that.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I agree with that because you know, I was like preparing for this episode.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_03: I was reading and doing some research, and most psychologists and scientists say that in order for a love to succeed, you have to kind of give back, like put effort into it.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_03: And that's that's my point.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I don't think anything is everlasting.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: When you first meet someone, let's say you meet somebody and you're in you know, instantly attracted to that person, or not even instantly attracted, you're attracted to that person, you guys spend time together and you vibe, right?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: You vibe, and then you have this deep connection with this person.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think to keep that connection, that's fine.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_02: Lena like did not mute her stuff, but whatever.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um to keep that connection with that person, I think it takes work.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think, like, as both of you grow in the relationship, as the relationship grows, as you change, as the other person evolves.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, okay, fine.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_02: But I understand why I understand you start off.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I don't want to tell me that you're the same person, your love.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_02: No, we agree.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_02: Lena got married.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, Lena, I was 24.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: We were both very young women when we got married.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, you have to put context to that because I'm Palestinian.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_03: We get married young.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_03: They do.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_03: They do.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_03: She was like, you know, like fish out of high school.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's really a nice guy.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_03: Is my makeup okay?
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: Is that how you feel about everlasting love?
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: You think it's a joke?
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't even know where we're dying.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you bring that?
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_02: Because I was trying to make a point.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_03: I was trying to make a point then.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously at 19, sh I need a tissue.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_03: Hold on, we'll be right back.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta admit it's awesome.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's what the people are here for, Lena.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, is your love.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_02: So now that Lena has centered herself, guys, and she's back to her she her laughing fit is over.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and she's laughing because you know, I always make fun of her.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like, that's an inside joke.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna have to tell you guys that story on the next episode.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: What's the inside joke?
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: About why you always laugh when I talk about you getting married at 19.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, shut up, Fadahtina, Fadahtina, yeah.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, anyways, so what I was asking her is do you believe that the um love that you had for your husband at 19 is the same love that you have for him now?
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_03: No, probably not.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it like as we said in last week's episodes, people evolve, people you know, whatever.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_03: But I still do I do agree with the idea that you can have you can love someone.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but I think that love changes.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_03: The type, like the maybe the what's the word I'm looking for?
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: But is it like everlasting?
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because that was the question, right?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_02: Does it go on forever?
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: Is it the same love?
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's the love anymore.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's so much more than just loving someone is what makes it everlasting.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's my thing.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like when you say, like, is love everlasting?
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_02: Let me go to the polls.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: Let me go to the polls.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_03: No, but I was just gonna say that just because I I mean I do agree that ever there is, but I don't think it's as prominent.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's a rare occurrence that might it doesn't stay the same because people don't say the same.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_03: So it's okay.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_03: Just because it's not the same doesn't mean there's no such thing as everlasting love.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's just love by itself, though, that becomes everlasting.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's my point.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's love alone is what makes you stay with somebody, right?
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_02: The concept, the idea.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_02: No, of course not.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: There's other facts.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: When we ask people online, because I said let's go to the polls, I asked people online, do you believe in falling in love with somebody that that can happen?
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_02: 100% of the people said yes, right?
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: But only like 80-something percent of the people said that love is everlasting or that they could believe they believe in everlasting love, which I'm not gonna say proves my point because it's not like I had a sample size of 3,000 people or anything.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it was the folks who actually responded to the polls.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: But what I have gathered from my friends who I've had these discussions with, people besides Lena, is that it takes more than just love for you to be with someone.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_02: So love by itself is not going to live forever.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_03: I understand, but that wasn't that question.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_03: The question is just the idea of love with the same person, I think, lasting forever.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think it's love by itself.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's the thing.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_02: So you're saying it's everlasting love with conditions, it's everlasting love with other things, not with conditions.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's everlasting love, but like it's mutual respect, it's positive community.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, obviously, in any good relationship, in any healthy relationship, you have to have those things.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: That goes without saying.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: It also has to be the loving the crust.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's not love, by the way.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_02: Because loving the crust, I don't file that under love.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's like when you can like barely stand somebody, but you get to a point where you're like, okay, I can actually stand this negative thing about this person.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's no, but what I meant by loving the crust is that you know, when you're with someone, you have to appreciate them for who they are.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like you can't change them.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: You can't that's that was the that was the reason where like where that came from.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: But that but that's why I'm saying like it's not love by itself.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like you just have to appreciate them, right?
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: So it's understanding, like understanding the person.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: So love alone is not everlasting.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's just my opinion.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: So what is everlasting?
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: What is everlasting?
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_02: I think a it's very difficult to say because I haven't lived forever, right?
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: So I can't give you my opinion.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't been around forever, but I have been married for next week, it'll be 16 years.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_02: And we're not gonna talk about how many years I've been married.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_02: She's been married.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, I can write a book.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she got married way before I do.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: But I think what what helps is like, is it perfect all the time?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, but I think it's a combination of like you and that person evolving together, you and that person figuring out positive ways to communicate because you're always gonna have like communication roadblocks, right?
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: But it's constantly working on those communication roadblocks and like being aware of issues about yourself that you need to improve or change.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but that's that that was my point, though.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like in the beginning, okay, yes, I do believe, but I think you can't just expect it to continue.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, you can't expect it.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_03: So I think we're in agreement when it comes to that.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like you have to make an effort, you have to put something into the relationship to actually get something back.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's really funny that Lena and I always agree.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: We just have different ways of saying it.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: We always end up in the same place, but it's like, you know, we both have like different paths that we travel to arrive there, right?
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, we just do things differently.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: I do, we do things very differently.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, I mean, like like I said, the some of the articles that I was reading, I mean, you have scientists saying that there's no such thing, that it doesn't exist.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_02: So what what what was the result?
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, like what was the result?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: So it was like, like I said, 100% of people were like, Yes, you absolutely fall in love.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, we didn't get to that yet.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: Let's do let's let's focus on the everlasting.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: But only 87 87% was like, Yeah, it's everlasting.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's a lot.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: Why are you making it seem like it's not?
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_02: But it's not a huge sample as a people, so it's that's true, but it's okay.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: No, I feel like it's skewed when it's not a huge sample, so that's why I'm kind of like, you know.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_02: 87% agree with me.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_02: But I think 87% of those people are just like in Lala Land.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, man.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_03: Are they married?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_03: We don't know, right?
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, a few of them are not.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, maybe that's why married and they have a skewed vision of like what marriage actually is or image of the colour.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: But do you think do you think is you know, there's another aspect of this because you know, when you watch, you know, like just Hollywood, the way they do stuff, and like in the movies and whatever.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_03: I think it gives people this this false um narrative, yes, an impression of not just what love is, but what marriage is, and marriage is another topic that we'll eventually get to.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_03: I mean it's a very complicated topic.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, do you really don't really want to talk about it, probably?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: But honestly, for me, love is love is complicated as well.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I agree with you.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of folks who are not in love, right?
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_02: Or yeah, and it doesn't have to be love with like a spouse.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: And unrealistic expectations in general.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: But honestly, love is not just about love with a significant other or a spouse or anybody.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_02: Love is just when you love somebody truly from the bottom of your it's a very complicated relationship.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just a friend.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_02: People that you love, you do give a lot of like clearances for.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it makes you realize that, like, yeah, you know, in order for me to keep this person around and for me to stay in their life, like we both have to sacrifice for each other.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: We both have to um, we both have to um what's the word I'm looking for?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like when you meet somebody halfway, compromise.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Compromise.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you couldn't I not think of that.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you have to compromise for, you know, um with each other in order for you guys to have everlasting love.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: You know?
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: By the way, I noticed last episode that I keep doing this a lot with my phone.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, stop.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_02: But wait, I'm gonna tell you.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna link it down below.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: One of my friends, Mona, shout out to Mona Kamel.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: She made this awesome fidget toy.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm gonna link it in the well, she's gonna link it in the info box.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I love how she's like, I'm gonna link I don't do anything again.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no problem, Mona.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: I got you.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: You guys know I'm the talent.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_03: But Shana.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so last time we said if she mentions our age, she's gonna give me five dollars.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_03: Now, every time you say you're the talent, it's gonna be ten dollars.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's a lot of money.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um but she is the talent.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: I love her.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: But it but it's we're talented together.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, but I want to link the fidget toy in the info box.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: She's gonna link the A toy.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: So explain it a little bit more.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's cool.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's this like cube that you know has these pop-ups and you mess with it or whatever, and it's really colorful.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: It's great for adults and kids and anybody who kind of messes with stuff in their hands all the time, but that's just the side.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_02: So and then yeah, and then we're just gonna remove this here and kids have to spin it and play with it a lot.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: So it's distracting.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, but yeah, back to topic.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_03: So, okay, so you should you don't believe just the idea of everlasting love unless you have you work at it.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_03: The idea behind this topic, this like for this.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: Am I gonna have an everlasting love of donuts?
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, I will always love donuts, especially only if they're hot and they're from Krispy Kreme and they're fresh.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: I will forever love donuts.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: Am I going to have that same like unconditional love for somebody else?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_03: No, because donuts don't have opinions.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, forget everlasting love when it comes to a significant other or someone you're doing like that.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_03: What about you have everlasting love with your kids?
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_03: That's different.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: You birth them.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: But there are times when they get on my nerves too.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: See, okay.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I always love them, but even that's a relationship you constantly.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: But I think I was trying to get to the point where when I when I say everlasting love, like, can you, the question is, can't do you see yourself or I mean, without talking about our love lives or marriages or whatever, but like, do you think a person is capable of loving another person the same way?
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: Just to be clear.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: The same way, the same way as when they first met this person?
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_03: No, absolutely not.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: So it's it's it's gonna be different.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'll talk about myself and then you can maybe use like your own life experience.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so like I was saying before, Luna had a laugh about it.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: We'll just let her do it.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: She will.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I think it's important.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: Some of the feedback I got is that you need to share more too.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, what am I supposed to share?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like a life example of a channel.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: I share enough.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: No, she doesn't.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, go ahead.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, but I'll talk about myself.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: All I'm saying is when I met my husband, I was like 20 years old, right?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm mentioning my age and I give her$5.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be 41 this August.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: So, do I love him the same way that I did when I was 20?
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely not.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not even the same person I was when I was 20.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not even the same person I was last year.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: So there's no way it just doesn't make sense to me.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: You want to tell me that your husband now is the same person that he was when you met him, you know, like I don't know, like 25 years ago for the most part.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: But he doesn't change.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: Remember that topic?
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: He does not change.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he has not evolved.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he's evolved, but yeah, I mean, I see what I'm I agree with you.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: That's the thing.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_03: Like you said earlier, we we're we're more in agreement about this topic.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's just but that's the thing.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, do you think he loves you the same way he did when you guys first got married?
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think so.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: You're not even the same person anymore.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_03: No, we're not.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's it's I I like I'm saying I'm agreeing with you.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_03: I agree, but I think we go about it or maybe we think about it a little bit.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe differently.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I just don't believe in that concept at all of this you loving somebody the same way forever and ever.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think you can appreciate things about them that you liked about them when you first met them.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: But I don't like that explain.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I don't think that it's the same kind of love.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: And if it was, it just means that you're both not evolving in the correct direction.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like you're both the same.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_03: Nobody's the same person.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_03: No, nothing is the same because you know, in any relationship, and especially marriage, you have good moments, you have bad moments, you have your ups, you have your downs.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_03: So obviously that's just the way it happens, you know.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like nobody's arguing with that.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: So I mean, I think like you said, I think we're more in agreement.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: We're just about about yeah, we're just thinking about it different ways.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but no, that's the idea of like everlasting love.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: Now, the question of do people fall in love?
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_03: Right, the idea, the concept.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like the question we asked was hold on, I'll do you believe in the concept of falling in love with someone.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, do you believe in the concept of yeah, falling in love?
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_03: I think so with someone.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think I I don't I don't see the issue.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, like I I think absolutely you can fall in love with someone.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: I think you fall in lust, and then love comes later.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely fall in love with each other is when it's not like there isn't like an instant, and again, this is my opinion.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: Love it, hate it, it doesn't have to be lust though.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it doesn't have to be lust, but I think like when you meet somebody the first time, sometimes there's this instant attraction to somebody, right?
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: And you're like, okay, this person's amazing, probably because of the way that they look.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, like 90% of the time.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: There is that 10% where you hear somebody speak and you're like enamored by their thoughts or their values and morals or things that they think or their brain in general.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I I think when you fall in love with somebody, it's because you guys have already built a relationship.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like instant.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: You don't fall in love with somebody instantly.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like you meet them and you're like, that's it.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm not saying instantly.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: I'm saying the idea of falling in love is there.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's it's I believe it's something you have to work out.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: You don't, you don't, it's something that doesn't happen right away.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: And it doesn't, why is it automatically lust?
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't have to be lust when you're first, you know, falling in love.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_03: I need the people to speak here because the people would agree with me.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_03: No, people are on on my side.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, like the idea of falling in love with someone is absolutely legit.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: I guess.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's some people it's it's lust and they have the two confused.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_03: I understand where you're coming from.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I understand some people sometimes confuse lust with love and vice versa.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_03: But I think that idea is still there and it still exists and it's relevant, and and and people have experience it all the time.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, maybe I'm just jaded.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe because I'm not looking for love.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, maybe that's why.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's like because I'm not looking for love.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, I'm good on love.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'm good on love.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: I'm good.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: Alhamdulillah.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, it's it's look, I'm not saying people can't fall in love or people don't fall in love.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: All I'm saying is that it's not something that happens right away.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's not something that, you know, is natural, to be completely honest with you.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's natural to just fall in love with somebody.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: I think it actually takes work on both parties, on the parts of both parties that are involved in any relationship.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: When you put life on top of love, seriously, or when you like kind of like mix those two together, it's a very, very different experience, in my opinion.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I don't think love on its own is eternal, except for inanimate things like donuts.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I agree.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: I love donuts.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, donuts are so good, guys.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, yeah, anyways.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I mean what?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: So 100% agree that you can fall in love with someone.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: 100% people agree that you can fall in love with somebody.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: See, right.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: I'm always right.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: Half those people are single.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, why are you gonna ruin it for them?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: Fine, guys.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: All the single people are gonna be able to do that.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's guys.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, guys, it's it's there, it exists, it's true.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_03: Don't let her just completely I mean, I can't believe I'm the whole! I can't believe that the the how the tables have.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: I know I'm the I'm the I'm the cynic here, not you.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't understand what's happening.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: I think for me, like just when it comes to that, I'm uh a lot more realistic, right?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't I'm realistic, yeah, but you're like, love is eternal.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't, I don't, it's not that it's I just think it takes a lot of work.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and we both agree that yes, love is eternal, but it changes.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it changes and it takes work, it takes so much work.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I don't want to work.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: You don't want so you don't want to love anybody?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I do she wants to love her select social group.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but like her closed social group.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: We talked about that.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: So to go back to the point on people, do people fall in love?
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I think people fall in love, but I think it's a slow and steady process.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's something that happens quickly.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: When it happens quickly, I don't believe that that's love.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean I believe that that's lust.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: If it's too quick, you're right.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: Or for any other reason.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: More like admiration or any of those, you know, appreciation.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of things that happen before you actually get to love.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: Had you asked me this question 20 years ago or even five years ago, I probably would have answered it differently.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: But I think all I'm saying now is that yeah, I kind of believe in the concept, but I need a lot of other things.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's not love by itself, yeah, or being in love by itself.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: There's other factors involved.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but I think I feel the same way about both of the questions we asked, which is you know, does love, is love eternal or is it like everlasting?
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, do you believe in the concept of falling in love?
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's like I like yes, with conditions, like you said.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but but I think for falling in love, it's I I think it's a lot easier to agree with that concept because just because you fall in love doesn't mean you're gonna continue feeling that same way about a person.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_03: Very true, you know?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I agree.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_02: See, we always like arrive in the same place.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's just each of us has a different path.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we end up at the same location every single time.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_03: Every single time, yeah.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's just each of us like takes a you know a different uh I take a detour always.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: Always.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: She always takes the road less traveled by.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm always on the highway.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like she doesn't pay tolls, I do.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, um, what else do you want to say?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: Well I hope you guys like this episode.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_03: I know it's kind of um what's the word I'm looking for?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like we weren't as organized this time.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: No, I feel like we're organized, but it's like you're But we didn't offer them any advice.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um, do you really want to offer them advice on love?
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_03: Just believe.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_03: Love is personal.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but believe, believe, believe.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_03: Don't don't be like, listen, you're talking like I'm I'm the person who should win a title or an award for being the most cynical person ever.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: On earth.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but I think you have to believe in love, being everlasting and the idea of falling in love.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: Because then life sucks if you don't.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I mean, like yes, yes, yes.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_02: Look, I do believe in love.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: I believe in fall I believe in falling in love.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: I believe in it, I guess, being everlasting, but with conditions, like you said earlier.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: With conditions, with rules and regulations.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, you just made it so boring for them now.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's not boring, it's rules and regulations.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's real life.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, here's the thing, right?
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you can love people and love people unconditionally, but even unconditionally still has parameters.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: All right, let's wrap it up.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think we're good.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think we're good too.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: How many minutes do we have?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, 20 minutes.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, this is not bad.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: Let's just do it.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: This was a very like high-level episode, by the way.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: We didn't give a lot of um we didn't really do our homework, guys.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and we didn't really get advice.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: It is what it is, whatever.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's not that we didn't do our homework, but like I'll be completely honest with you.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm busy and so is she, and we're both really tired today.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, today's a bad day, right?
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we're just you know, forgive us.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_03: If you didn't enjoy this episode, we promise the next episode will be a lot better.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_03: I hope so.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, well, we love you guys.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, we do.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: That is true.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_02: We do love you guys.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, especially the people still supporting us and watching us.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 21:57
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• 21:58
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• 22:00
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• 22:01
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• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: I can't talk.
• 22:05
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• 22:06
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• 22:07
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• 22:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because we really do invest a lot of time and effort into this podcast.
• 22:13
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• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and when I say what goes into doing this, I mean like we're just gonna like shoot the shit and tell you like about our busy schedules and how much work this actually takes for us to complete.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it'll be a fun episode.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think so too.
• 22:28
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• 22:28
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• 22:29
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