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Sean Fain Wins Reelection as UAW President With LOW Turnout · IndieNewsNow LIVE! Clips

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  SPEAKER_00: Who are these people?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know that I've been not a fan and a heavy critic of Sean Fain and
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  SPEAKER_01: the United Auto Workers for years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Since before Sean Fain was the president, they ran a candidate named Will Lehman in 2022.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Socialist Equality Party ran him and the World Socialist website did a lot
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  SPEAKER_01: of promotion of him.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he lost that vote by a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was a lot of suppression.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people claimed they never got their votes.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was very low turnout as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the UAW doesn't just represent auto workers, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_01: They represent hospital workers.
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  SPEAKER_01: They represent college students.
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  SPEAKER_01: They represent a wide swath of workers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it is my contention that there is no possible way that that man, Sean Fain...
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  SPEAKER_01: Can possibly represent the interests of all of those workers' needs individually as
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  SPEAKER_01: an organization.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't buy it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is Jacob Cross at CrossbarX on Twitter.
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  SPEAKER_01: UAW election debacle.
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  SPEAKER_01: More than 90% of members boycotted the vote as apparatus reinstalls fame.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's reinstalls or what, but he had the most votes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Only 98,029 ballots were counted, a turnout of 8.9%, with 97,043 votes cast for president.
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  SPEAKER_01: A thousand were left blank.
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  SPEAKER_01: More than one million members, nine out of every 10, didn't vote.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, I did not see anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Any other news organization critical of this vote at all
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  SPEAKER_01: that didn't absolutely glaze fame and just kind of You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: mention, oh yeah, he won re-election, no big deal.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was all that they had to mention.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because, well, he won a... You know, he got VW Chattanooga unionized and, and, and, and, and.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he...
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  SPEAKER_01: The stand-up strike,
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  SPEAKER_01: which was not effective and didn't protect jobs in the way that he said it would.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, again, the media sold that as a win.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the media...
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  SPEAKER_01: He did a good job of using his media apparatus,
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  SPEAKER_01: his PR arm, to sell him as doing a lot more than he actually did.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's get into this article written by Jerry White from World Socialist website, WSWS.org.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a fan of Jerry White,
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  SPEAKER_01: honestly,
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  SPEAKER_01: but this happens to be a pretty good piece that I will argue with a couple
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  SPEAKER_01: of points.
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  SPEAKER_01: But there is really important information in here that, again,
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  SPEAKER_01: I saw published nowhere else,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is shameful that this website and this outlet is the only organization
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  SPEAKER_01: that has the courage to take on a major labor union like this
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  SPEAKER_01: and follows it closely enough to know what the hell is actually going on
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  SPEAKER_01: because they actually are in contact with an active member.
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  SPEAKER_01: UAW election debacle, more than 90% of members boycott vote as apparatus reinstalls fame.
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  SPEAKER_01: The 2026 election of officers of the UAW has ended in a debacle for the union bureaucracy.
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  SPEAKER_01: More than 90% of the membership boycotted the vote.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't even say they boycotted.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would say that a lot of them are just,
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  SPEAKER_01: they don't give a shit or they don't know about it or they're not informed.
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  SPEAKER_01: More than 90% of the membership boycotted with the entire apparatus of the union
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  SPEAKER_01: at his disposal.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sean Fain has been, quote, re-elected with the votes of 6% of the active members.
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  SPEAKER_01: Two opposed tendencies found expression in the election.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fain represented the bureaucratic inertia of the apparatus, which closed ranks behind him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Will Lehman,
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  SPEAKER_01: the socialist Mack trucks worker who ran for president,
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  SPEAKER_01: represented the development of a rank-and-file rebellion and a growing socialist
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  SPEAKER_01: and internationalist orientation in the working class.
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  SPEAKER_01: Minuscule in comparison,
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  SPEAKER_01: partly because they're suppressed by leadership and what they refer to as
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  SPEAKER_01: the apparatus.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would call them the administration.
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  SPEAKER_01: Under conditions in which his campaign was effectively barred from reaching
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  SPEAKER_01: the membership, the vote he received is of great significance.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they're doing mental gymnastics to congratulate their guy and pat him on the back
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  SPEAKER_01: in spite of all the ways that he was hamstrung.
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  SPEAKER_01: The World Socialist website has examined the tally sheets released by
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  SPEAKER_01: the court-appointed monitor, region by region, and local by local.
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  SPEAKER_01: These are the actual numbers.
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  SPEAKER_01: A more detailed analysis will be provided in the coming days,
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  SPEAKER_01: but here are some of the more salient facts.
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  SPEAKER_01: One, roughly 1.1 million active and retired members were eligible to vote.
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  SPEAKER_01: Only 98,029 were counted, a turnout of 8.9%.
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  SPEAKER_01: Out of all active and retired, more than 1 million members, 9 out of every 10, did not vote.
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  SPEAKER_01: None of the above is what I heard.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fain received 66,166 votes.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's 68% of the votes cast for president,
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  SPEAKER_01: but only 6% of the active membership, about one in 17.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's fewer than he received in the 2023 runoff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even this figure includes the votes of thousands of officials,
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  SPEAKER_01: staff, and appointees whose positions depend on the apparatus.
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  SPEAKER_01: In 2022,
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  SPEAKER_01: the union's first direct election of officers,
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  SPEAKER_01: 104,776 ballots were cast with 103,495 for president.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was already the lowest turnout last time of any national union election
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  SPEAKER_01: in American history.
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  SPEAKER_01: This year,
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  SPEAKER_01: after his first term in office,
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  SPEAKER_01: he did so well that 6,700 fewer members voted this time.
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  SPEAKER_01: In 2022,
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  SPEAKER_01: the factions of the leadership around then-President Ray Curry
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  SPEAKER_01: and around Fain together received 78,530 votes in the first round.
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  SPEAKER_01: This year,
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  SPEAKER_01: Fain and his Vice President Rich Boyer,
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  SPEAKER_01: who ran against him, received about the same number, almost exactly the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: The vote of the apparatus held steady while the membership stayed away.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the point there.
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  SPEAKER_01: The number of ballots fell in seven of the union's nine regions.
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  SPEAKER_01: In Region 9A, covering New York and New England, it fell by almost half.
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  SPEAKER_01: It fell 17% in Region 8, 14% in Region 4.
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  SPEAKER_01: Significant numbers.
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  SPEAKER_01: It came, okay,
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  SPEAKER_01: the only substantial increase was in Region 6 out west,
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  SPEAKER_01: came from an entirely academic workers at the University of California
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  SPEAKER_01: whose locals vote doubled but remained a tiny fraction of its membership.
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  SPEAKER_01: So like even out there, the academics, they're not voting.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I'm going to show you here also.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the academics are worse than the actual plant workers.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's weird because they worked so hard to unionize.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now that they're unionized, they don't participate in their own union elections at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: In regions 1 and 1A, this is horrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Detroit metro area and the historic center of the union,
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  SPEAKER_01: less than 10% of the votes were cast out of more than 300,000 active retired members
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  SPEAKER_01: that could have voted.
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  SPEAKER_01: Under 9%.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bain got about 16,800 of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fewer than 6%.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they talk about Dana, Magna, and other low-paid parts workers.
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  SPEAKER_01: 273 votes out of 5,600 members.
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  SPEAKER_01: Less than 5%.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the less they pay the workers,
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  SPEAKER_01: the less they're invested in voting in union leadership because they feel
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  SPEAKER_01: that union leadership doesn't represent them or do anything to support them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: Of the 420 locals that returned any ballots at all,
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  SPEAKER_01: cast 63 votes or fewer for president, And 190 of those barns, fewer than 50.
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  SPEAKER_01: The 50 largest locals accounted for more than half of all votes cast.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the one that really upset me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Among academic workers at Columbia University, roughly 3,000 members cast 29 ballots.
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  SPEAKER_01: Less than 1%.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, the union actually stood up and had a free Palestine stance in 2023.
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  SPEAKER_01: In 2024, they got in trouble for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: 29 votes out of 3,000 members.
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  SPEAKER_01: What does that say about leadership?
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  SPEAKER_01: It says that there was no leadership, yet he continues to be the leader.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is where the UAW intervened to block strike action over the war and the attack
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  SPEAKER_01: on democratic rights.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that might be why more than 4,000 graduate workers at Harvard went
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  SPEAKER_01: on strike this spring and the union election five months later,
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  SPEAKER_01: their local cast 53 ballots out of 4,000,
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  SPEAKER_01: about 1% of the membership and down from 308 four years ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: These figures overstate participation because the vote totals
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  SPEAKER_01: for each local include retirees who make up a majority of the eligible membership,
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  SPEAKER_01: while the membership figures cited count only active workers,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is about a third.
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  SPEAKER_01: Two-thirds of the union is retirees.
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  SPEAKER_01: Participation among workers in the plants was lower still.
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  SPEAKER_01: At the same time,
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  SPEAKER_01: there is deep discontent among the hundreds of thousands of retirees also eligible
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  SPEAKER_01: to vote.
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  SPEAKER_01: The conclusion from these facts is unavoidable.
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  SPEAKER_01: They document the isolation of a bureaucracy that has no roots among
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  SPEAKER_01: the workers it claims to represent.
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  SPEAKER_01: Rank-and-file workers regard it with indifference and hostility.
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  SPEAKER_01: Spain's supporters will attribute this to apathy.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is a lie.
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  SPEAKER_01: The election took place after a summer of rebellion in the parts plants.
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  SPEAKER_01: At next year in Saginaw,
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  SPEAKER_01: Michigan, workers rejected three tentative agreements and voted by 86% to strike.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't hear any about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: The UAW buried the strike vote and pushed through a fourth agreement and
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  SPEAKER_01: a vote held inside the plant on company property, which you're not supposed to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Workers at Dana and Bridgewater rejected UAW-backed contracts by wide margins.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, like I said,
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  SPEAKER_01: a union that represents this many different interests cannot possibly fight for all
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  SPEAKER_01: of the needs and demands of the workers for each one of the individual organizations
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  SPEAKER_01: that are its members.
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  SPEAKER_01: They can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's impossible.
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  SPEAKER_00: And at times, they're in direct opposition to each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: When workers were asked to vote on the contracts, they turned out to reject them.
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  SPEAKER_01: When they were asked to vote for the leadership of the union
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  SPEAKER_01: that imposed those contracts, they stayed away.
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  SPEAKER_01: But here's the other factor is
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  SPEAKER_01: that many workers simply didn't know what election was taking place
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  SPEAKER_01: or didn't receive ballots.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we have history here from back in 2022.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I covered this on How Do We Miss That?
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  SPEAKER_01: Lehman provided evidence to a federal court,
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  SPEAKER_01: to the Monitor,
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  SPEAKER_01: and to the Department of Labor that masses of workers never received ballots
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  SPEAKER_01: and didn't know what election was taking place.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nothing was done, and this year, workers again reported problems getting ballots.
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  SPEAKER_01: Will Lehman himself had to request one repeatedly because they didn't want his ballot.
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  SPEAKER_01: They knew it wouldn't be for fame.
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  SPEAKER_01: For the apparatus, the election served to settle its internal divisions.
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  SPEAKER_01: Facing a growing rebellion, it closed ranks around Fain.
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  SPEAKER_01: He brought figures from the old administration caucus onto his United UAW slate,
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  SPEAKER_01: the same layer he had denounced four years ago for selling out members
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  SPEAKER_01: and opposing direct elections by the membership.
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  SPEAKER_01: The pseudo-left factions of the Democratic Party, including DSA, also united behind Fain.
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  SPEAKER_01: These forces accept and welcome the exclusion of the membership
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  SPEAKER_01: because their base is the bureaucracy itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lehman's was the only campaign that challenged the apparatus itself.
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  SPEAKER_01: It called for the abolition of the bureaucracy and the transfer of power
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  SPEAKER_01: to rank-and-file committees in the workplaces.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he got a paltry number of votes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Two percent of the votes cast for president.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cut in half.
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  SPEAKER_01: From where he was in 2022.
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  SPEAKER_01: But there's a good reason.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And again, there's mental gymnastics over how well he did.
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  SPEAKER_01: He didn't even win the majority at his own plant.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the UAW Local 677,
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  SPEAKER_01: which represents his plant,
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  SPEAKER_01: he won 67 out of 301 votes, 22% finishing second to fame.
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  SPEAKER_01: He gained 4% over the last four years.
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  SPEAKER_01: As bad as Fane's been, you haven't been able to capitalize like that?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's in your own freaking barn.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you're not going to win then, you're never going to.
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  SPEAKER_01: The decline in Lehman's vote reflects the decline in turnout,
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  SPEAKER_01: which benefited the apparatus and the conditions under
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  SPEAKER_01: which his campaign was conducted.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here's the problem.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here's the big rub nobody wants to talk about right here.
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  SPEAKER_01: A series of rules was adopted at the 2022 convention,
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  SPEAKER_01: how convenient for Sean Fein, and applied for the first time this year.
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  SPEAKER_01: On the specious grounds that the World Socialist website is to be treated as
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  SPEAKER_01: an employer because Lehman has published here,
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  SPEAKER_01: its support for Lehman was ruled a prohibited contribution.
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  SPEAKER_01: The World Socialist website was barred from endorsing him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Its autoworker newsletter,
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  SPEAKER_01: which tens of thousands of workers followed during the 22 campaign and which was
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  SPEAKER_01: the most important means of reaching them,
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  SPEAKER_01: Couldn't be used to promote the campaign this time.
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  SPEAKER_01: They hamstrung this guy with the best method that he had to reach the workers.
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  SPEAKER_01: A direct email newsletter run by the World Socialist website.
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  SPEAKER_01: Non-members were also barred from contributing anything of value to a candidate,
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  SPEAKER_01: while the apparatus,
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  SPEAKER_01: of course,
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  SPEAKER_01: had at its disposal the enormous resources of the apparatus itself,
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  SPEAKER_01: including the PR department that smeared the federal monitor,
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  SPEAKER_01: that smeared Margaret Mock, that smeared Rich Boyer, that illegally...
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, threatened and bullied people into potentially writing all kinds of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: We covered that thanks to Payday Report.
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  SPEAKER_01: They also severely limited the UAW's ability,
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  SPEAKER_01: World Socialist Website's ability,
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  SPEAKER_01: and Lehman's,
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  SPEAKER_01: to use the costly emails organized through the monitor,
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  SPEAKER_01: including to inform workers that an election was taking place.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: They wouldn't let them do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Despite this, Lehman won significant support where his campaign reached workers directly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kumbaya.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those who voted for Lehman identified him as a socialist opponent of the apparatus
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  SPEAKER_01: and cast a class-conscious vote.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lehman used the campaign to popularize the fight for rank-and-file power,
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  SPEAKER_01: the international unity of the working class, and socialism.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a symbolic run.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sounds like Other congressional runs I hear of right now
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  SPEAKER_01: that really don't have any chance, sadly.
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  SPEAKER_01: The mass abstention is the clearest indication of the potential support for
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  SPEAKER_01: an alternative,
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  SPEAKER_01: though they won't vote for any alternative because they had one and they chose not
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  SPEAKER_01: to vote, didn't they?
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  SPEAKER_01: The hundreds of thousands of workers who didn't vote want a way to fight.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: they just don't want it through the union because the union is taking dues from them
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  SPEAKER_01: and not representing them.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've drawn the conclusion in their own way that the UAW is a union in name only.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, not just name only,
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  SPEAKER_01: in political clout that supports the Democratic Party and licks Trump's nuts to
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  SPEAKER_01: a certain point too.
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  SPEAKER_01: Over decades,
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  SPEAKER_01: the UAW has been transformed into an instrument of management and a corporatist arm
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  SPEAKER_01: of the state.
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  SPEAKER_01: Its function is to police the workforce,
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  SPEAKER_01: impose contracts that the corporations demand, And suppress opposition to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: The election substantiates the position advanced by Lehman and the World Socialist website.
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  SPEAKER_01: The development of the class struggle requires the formation of new organizations.
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  SPEAKER_01: The opposition of workers will not develop through the reform of this apparatus,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is what Fein came in as a reformer, but through its abolition.
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  SPEAKER_01: That requires new organizations controlled by workers themselves,
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  SPEAKER_01: rank-and-file committees in every plant and workplace that represent themselves
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  SPEAKER_01: against management linked across plants,
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  SPEAKER_01: industries,
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  SPEAKER_01: and national borders through the International Workers Alliance
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  SPEAKER_01: of Rank-and-File Committees.
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  SPEAKER_01: The conclusion that flows necessarily from the UAW election is the imperative
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  SPEAKER_01: to develop such committees to organize the struggle of auto workers
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  SPEAKER_01: and other UAW members and of workers in every industry,
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  SPEAKER_01: whether in a union or not, in the United States and internationally.
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  SPEAKER_01: Reach, but yes, yes, across industries, organize organizations.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fight management together, but still fight to represent your little piece of the pie, too.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't see anybody representing next year.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't see anybody representing Dana, specifically when it goes to bat.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, the workers against Dana Corp.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not, because they also need to make a deal with Ford and with
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  SPEAKER_01: So Dana supplies the parts to Stellantis.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they have to be very careful about that
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  SPEAKER_01: because their Stellantis workers might get pissed off that
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  SPEAKER_01: the Dana workers got more.
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  SPEAKER_01: The whole thing is just a balancing act that should not be necessary, honestly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like these larger unions only exist as political animals to be bullied by the Democratic Party.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like bullying the parties into conforming and doing things for the workers.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're bullying the workers into voting for the party that they're aligned with.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the complete opposite of what the whole point of the union is supposed to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was a lot of fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love ranting about unions and working and bullshit.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: I used to do a show called Nobody Wants to Work Anymore.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody wants to work anymore.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: See, I'm not kidding.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: That show has been away for a while because I don't have a...
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I got a job, but it's different.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't go into an office and have to go report to a boss and deal with all
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: the normal bullshit that people do.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm fortunate for that.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Very grateful.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: And therefore, I don't do that show anymore because I kind of feel guilty.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, kind of railing about workers not being one in that way myself in the field.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: But I certainly do support them and endorse them and want to champion their stories
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: and champion their causes against the bosses.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Fuck that.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: What do we got left?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think I just had the lighting round.
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• 21:54
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• 21:58
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• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's what she said.
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  SPEAKER_01: Night, everybody.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: No!
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: We just fucking lost the stream!
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: I guess this isn't such an awful place Is that what you want me to say?
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: You'll prove it's possible to sleep for days And I still think you're right here away.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: The cost of living isn't much to me.
• 22:30
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