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Exploring Nashville's Music Scene: Jared Farley on Porter's Call and Artist Support in the Music Industry · Takin’ A Walk Nashville

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  Speaker 1: Taking a Walk Nashville. Hi, this is Sarah Harrelson, your
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  Speaker 1: host of Taking a Walk Nashville, and I just want
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  Speaker 1: to start off by saying thank you to our listeners
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  Speaker 1: who have been tuning in. We just hit number five
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  Speaker 1: or a review if you like what you're hearing. But
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  Speaker 1: today I am here in Franklin with Jared Farley. We
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  Speaker 1: are at the Porter's Call office. Jared is the program
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  Speaker 1: manager at Porter's Call. It's an organization and place where
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  Speaker 1: artists can find support and encouragement with services provided at
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  Speaker 1: no charge to them. So Jared, thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for being on Taking a Walk Nashville today. Can you
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  Speaker 1: give our listeners a little background on how Porter's Call
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  Speaker 1: was started and what this organization does for.
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  Speaker 2: Our Absolutely i'd love to, so thanks again for coming
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  Speaker 2: all the way down to Franklin. I know it's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a hike. We at Porter's Call. We
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  Speaker 2: really love story and so I find the best way
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  Speaker 2: to give some of that description of how do we start,
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  Speaker 2: what do we do, how do we do it is
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  Speaker 2: kind of just by telling a little bit of the
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  Speaker 2: porter's call story, and so we really started with the
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  Speaker 2: one man named Al Andrews in two thousand and one
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  Speaker 2: who saw that though he was a trained therapist and
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  Speaker 2: clinician in town, which meant that when you're a therapist
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  Speaker 2: in Nashville, at least part of who you're going to
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  Speaker 2: see or artists, he found that there was no shortage
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  Speaker 2: of reason why they would need help, encouragement support because
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  Speaker 2: of the lifestyle that they lead, the specific challenges that
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  Speaker 2: come with being an artist, the way that he was
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  Speaker 2: able to provide that within a clinical setting. He just
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  Speaker 2: felt there was a big gap, There was a big
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  Speaker 2: ask to try to get artists to come and adopt
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  Speaker 2: that model, and so he had the idea of trying
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  Speaker 2: to end the support from the industry. He got the
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  Speaker 2: buy in from some labels in town, and he wanted
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  Speaker 2: to try to fill in the gap. He wanted to
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  Speaker 2: care for artists emotionally, mentally, even spiritually if they wanted
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  Speaker 2: or needed that, because the lifestyle that they lead, how
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  Speaker 2: nomadic it is, the isolation having to deal with fame
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  Speaker 2: and shame, the financial volatility, the normalization and access of
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  Speaker 2: addictive substances and processes, it's just his rife with reasons
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  Speaker 2: why people would struggle with anxiety and depression and all
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  Speaker 2: these types of diagnostic disorders. But he wanted to take
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of a more kind of comprehensive approach
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  Speaker 2: to it and not just work through kind of a
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  Speaker 2: diagnostic lens. And so he set out to do that,
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  Speaker 2: and it is almost next sure will be our twenty
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  Speaker 2: fifth year in doing this, and so one of the
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  Speaker 2: most foundational things I wanted to do. Though, he noticed
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  Speaker 2: when working with artists in particular in the industry, not
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  Speaker 2: just people in music, but specifically artists. When you're an artist,
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  Speaker 2: it's really easy to be in really transactional spaces with
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  Speaker 2: people because a lot of them you employ, and then
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that want to there's kind
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  Speaker 2: of always angles that people can take in social relationships
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  Speaker 2: around artists, and so al wanted to provide this service
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  Speaker 2: for free, and that did two things. One, it meant
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  Speaker 2: people that otherwise couldn't get access to the help that
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  Speaker 2: he would provide could because there was no cost barrier
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  Speaker 2: to entry. But more importantly than that, it directly dealt
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  Speaker 2: with that transactional nature of these artists. For some of
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  Speaker 2: them finding the first time in their story where where
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  Speaker 2: they didn't have to give something back to al they
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  Speaker 2: just got to come and receive. And we've been doing
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  Speaker 2: this now for, like I said, almost twenty five years.
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  Speaker 2: Alice now retired, but we've got two of our other
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  Speaker 2: longtime folks who have met with artists. We call ourselves porters,
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  Speaker 2: which is really not a very commonly used term these days,
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  Speaker 2: but it really speaks back to this old tradition where
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  Speaker 2: a weary traveler could come to a monastery and they
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  Speaker 2: could find safety, shelter and provision free of charge, and
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  Speaker 2: they didn't have to be a person of faith. They
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  Speaker 2: just needed somebody to care for them. And there was
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  Speaker 2: a man who would be stationed along the road and
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  Speaker 2: his title was a porter, and it was his role
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  Speaker 2: to just meet the needs of the weird traveler however
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  Speaker 2: he could. And when now heard that description of a
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  Speaker 2: porter from his wife Nita, he was like, that's exactly
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  Speaker 2: what I do for people who are not just kind
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  Speaker 2: of metaphorically on the road of life, but who are
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  Speaker 2: quite literally sometimes pulling up to our office out of
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  Speaker 2: a van because they've just been on the road. So
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  Speaker 2: we have a really unique approach because we serve a
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  Speaker 2: really unique kind of demographic of people.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, and who is that demographic? Is it just
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  Speaker 1: touring artists and signed or independent that are eligible for
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  Speaker 1: these services.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So we honestly, if it were up to us,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we would have any limitations on who
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  Speaker 2: we could see because we recognize that the entire industry
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  Speaker 2: needs help and care. It can be really brutal. So
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  Speaker 2: anybody's listening that is wondering if they feel crazy for
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  Speaker 2: the industry being brutal, it is brutal. Yeah, So we
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  Speaker 2: do recognize there's so currently there's five five of us
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  Speaker 2: that porter full time, so those people actually sit behind
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  Speaker 2: closed doors and work with artists. I'm right now, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sitting with you. I have spent an entire day just
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  Speaker 2: behind closed doors with artists, helping navigate their struggle. They're
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  Speaker 2: paying their story. Because there's only five of us, and
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  Speaker 2: only two of us are behind closed doors full time
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  Speaker 2: with artists, that just means we just can't see everybody.
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  Speaker 2: And so we do have some eligibility requirements because we
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  Speaker 2: find that when you are an artist that is recording
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  Speaker 2: and producing and then having to then tour your own music,
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  Speaker 2: the stakes are really high when it's your music and
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  Speaker 2: when you're really giving it a go. If it's not
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  Speaker 2: a side project but it's your full time, that's always
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  Speaker 2: going to almost always going to require travel, touring, all that,
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  Speaker 2: and so that also comes with unique struggles. And that's
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  Speaker 2: really who we've worked with really closely for the last
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  Speaker 2: kind of two decades. And so the eligibility parameters are
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  Speaker 2: just kind of in a nutshell, and these are laid
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  Speaker 2: out with more detail on our website, But twenty shows
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  Speaker 2: in the calendar year, so twenty public performances of your
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  Speaker 2: own materials, so not you covering somebody else's, but music
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  Speaker 2: where you've invested kind of your heart, your story into.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think off the top of my head
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  Speaker 2: if there are any other parameters around that. And then
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  Speaker 2: we also recognize not if you're not the artist, but
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  Speaker 2: if you're if you're the partner of an artist, if
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  Speaker 2: you are a romantic partner and you're really committed, that
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  Speaker 2: comes with unique struggles as well. When your significant other
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  Speaker 2: is a way for you know, one hundred and hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty two hundred show days a year, you can
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  Speaker 2: be kind of almost in like bachelor bachelorette mode or
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  Speaker 2: single parent mode, and so we recognize that comes with
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  Speaker 2: unique struggles as well, and so our eligibility has always
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  Speaker 2: extended to the artist and to the artist's significant other partner.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to be signed. You can be independent
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  Speaker 2: as long as you're doing at least twenty shows each year.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's great, and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: great for artists to know that there are services with
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  Speaker 1: no strings attached for them. They don't have to recoup
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  Speaker 1: of balance. And there's so many artists nowadays that are
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  Speaker 1: road warriors because you know, that's where you make the
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  Speaker 1: majority of your income, and a streaming world is you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're all human and we face sickness and challenges. So
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  Speaker 1: if something comes up, especially health wise, you're missing out
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  Speaker 1: on show dates, you're missing out on income, and.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have a PTO bank to fall back on,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have maternity leave, paternity leave, bereavement, all that
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  Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And that's also where we love to
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  Speaker 2: partner with existing organizations like Music Cares, Music Health Alliance
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  Speaker 2: because we recognize, well we do kind of fit a
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  Speaker 2: very kind of small niche of care for artists that's
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  Speaker 2: really tailored and specific to their struggles. Also recognize sometimes
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  Speaker 2: like sometimes you just need dental work, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Like I'm not gonna be able to help
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  Speaker 2: with a root canal, but let me get you connected
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  Speaker 2: with an organization that already has a team, a passion
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  Speaker 2: funds to help supplement some of those things. So we
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  Speaker 2: really see, like to care for any human just requires
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  Speaker 2: there's a huge range of need that no one organization
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  Speaker 2: entity are going to cover, and so we like to
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  Speaker 2: see we are this kind of tailored mental, emotional, social
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  Speaker 2: support that a lot of artists need. And then we
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  Speaker 2: love to also kind of be in some ways the
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  Speaker 2: gateway for them to also get with those organizations so
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  Speaker 2: that they can get additional.
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  Speaker 1: Care that they want. Yeah. Yeah, And I love that
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  Speaker 1: it's tailored to their needs because there's so many resources
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  Speaker 1: out there, some that musicians may know about, maybe they
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  Speaker 1: don't know about, but it can be overwhelming when there's
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  Speaker 1: so many resources to dig through, you have to figure
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  Speaker 1: out if you're eligible or not. It takes a lot
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  Speaker 1: of time and research to figure out which resource is
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  Speaker 1: the best for you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the reasons that we feel really confident
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  Speaker 2: about what we provide is because we've been doing it
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  Speaker 2: for a really long time. This is not like we're
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  Speaker 2: not a new thing. Like this is long before there
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  Speaker 2: was ever even really conversation in the industry about mental
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  Speaker 2: health emotional wellness. I mean this is two thousand and one,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when when Al Andrews first started this, and
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  Speaker 2: so we we have a long history that we get
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  Speaker 2: to rely on and pull on, and we've got we're
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  Speaker 2: lucky to have a good buy in from for even
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  Speaker 2: a number of people in the industry. We've got label
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  Speaker 2: execs that are on our board or have been on
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  Speaker 2: our board, and we've we've got buy in from management
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  Speaker 2: companies and booking agencies and all that because they recognize
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  Speaker 2: when when artists are healthy, that also makes for good
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  Speaker 2: business too, like it does actually aid them and what
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  Speaker 2: they do. We really hone in on this idea of
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  Speaker 2: you know, all of our artists are in somewhat shape
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  Speaker 2: or form. Storytellers play music. We were talking just before
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  Speaker 2: we went live that you know, you have a round
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  Speaker 2: coming up even that you're going to play at and unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times the environment that you're expected to
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  Speaker 2: do that if you're going to make a living at
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  Speaker 2: it really it kind of requires you in telling those
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  Speaker 2: stories actually lose touch with your own story along the
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  Speaker 2: way because of the cadence or the pace at what
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  Speaker 2: you're expected to do this creative thing. So we like
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  Speaker 2: to provide a space where people can come off the road,
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  Speaker 2: come out of Music City, come on down to Franklin again.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's a hike, but provide a space where
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  Speaker 2: they just get to be human again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's so important, so they're not
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  Speaker 1: stuck in what feels like a constant machine having to
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  Speaker 1: go on the road, write songs, produce, make music. I
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  Speaker 1: think so important. I was reading some of these stats.
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  Speaker 1: I want to read some of these off that I
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  Speaker 1: was seeing, because you do have a lot of sponsors
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  Speaker 1: from labels organizations that provide the funding for these services.
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  Speaker 1: And because of this, you have two hundred plus new
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  Speaker 1: eligible clients reaching out per year. A million dollars have
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  Speaker 1: been saved by artists and their partners and costs associated
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  Speaker 1: with mental health support. It's so important. And seventy five
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars provided through your Artist Community Fund to cover
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  Speaker 1: emergency situations through the ACM Lifting Lives. So that's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I think on there and even says that
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  Speaker 2: there's a percentage of our of the artists that we
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  Speaker 2: see that make significantly less than you know, aless artists.
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  Speaker 2: Right They're they're making you know, between fifty and seventy
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  Speaker 2: five thousand dollars a year and sometimes with a spouse
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  Speaker 2: or with kids or family, just expensive just living in
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  Speaker 2: Middle Tennessee these days, that is not a ton of money.
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  Speaker 2: And therapy can be really expensive. Treatment can be really expensive,
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  Speaker 2: and there's all kinds of reasons why not to get help,
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  Speaker 2: and we just never want money to be kind of
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  Speaker 2: a determining factor that and so we rely heavily, not
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  Speaker 2: heavily exclusively on the generosity of people in our community
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  Speaker 2: that want that are kind of our mission with us,
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  Speaker 2: that they don't want to live in a world where
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  Speaker 2: you know, the beauty and art of music is lost. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and so we want to make sure that the artists
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  Speaker 2: that's helping to create that that they don't lose themselves
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  Speaker 2: along the way to right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely a lot of financial struggles with artists
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  Speaker 1: who maybe just got signed that are trying to make it.
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  Speaker 1: Publishing deals you get, you know, lower advances now, so
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  Speaker 1: a lot of artists are going out on the road
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  Speaker 1: to make their money, and so a lot of musicians
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  Speaker 1: baddling not only financial struggles, but it even says on
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  Speaker 1: here seventy three percent of independent artists reports struggling with
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  Speaker 1: mental illness. So I think that definitely goes hand in hand.
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  Speaker 1: Can you provide some examples of some artists who have
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  Speaker 1: really benefited from the service as a porter's call?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and these are all on our website. So this
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  Speaker 2: is a you know, we we do. We do hold
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  Speaker 2: a confidentiality so it's one of the things that we
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  Speaker 2: we we kind of bring over from the clinical model,
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  Speaker 2: which all of our porters are trained in. Like I
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  Speaker 2: went to Treveca Go Trojans, so I was a licensed
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  Speaker 2: manage of family therapist. But but there's test motives on
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  Speaker 2: our website, so I know Hayley Williams from Paramore has
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  Speaker 2: a quote on there. I think Hillary Scott looks like
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  Speaker 2: Thomas Comic are, Yeah, and so there are that that's
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  Speaker 2: a that's a big way too. While artists don't ever
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  Speaker 2: give directly for anything they receive and if they come
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  Speaker 2: in for We've had some artists coming in for ten
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  Speaker 2: to fifteen years different stages of their career, different stages
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  Speaker 2: of their life. They might not darken our doorstep for
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  Speaker 2: a year and then something might happen and they kind
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  Speaker 2: of circle back in, and so we kind of take
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  Speaker 2: this longer, kind of longitudinal approach with artists, and sometimes
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  Speaker 2: even though they have not given anything financially, they some
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  Speaker 2: of them get to a point where they do want
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  Speaker 2: to give financially as a donation, and so that's not
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  Speaker 2: uncommon for that to happen, and that helps us keep
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  Speaker 2: our doors open as well. But it doesn't matter if
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  Speaker 2: you're busking on Broadway or selling out Bridgetone, Like, we
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  Speaker 2: don't really have any any investment in your career other
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  Speaker 2: than are you are you well doing it? We definitely
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  Speaker 2: have had some of those larger artists come in, but
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  Speaker 2: I would say probably the vast majority of artists that
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  Speaker 2: at least I see and I know a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the folks that come in here would would not be
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  Speaker 2: ones that are going to be, you know, top Spotify streamers,
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  Speaker 2: but they are. They're putting their heart and soul into
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  Speaker 2: what they do and they need a place to come
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  Speaker 2: and process what that's like when it goes well and
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  Speaker 2: they accounter fame or success or whatever that might look like.
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  Speaker 2: And when it doesn't go well, which is really often.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's very important. You mentioned about
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  Speaker 1: a writer's round. There is a monthly writers round hosted
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  Speaker 1: here in East Nashville. It's held on the third Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: of every month at Prospect House. You can find it,
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  Speaker 1: i believe, through event Bright tickets for it. It's a
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  Speaker 1: house show. They charge I think a ten dollars cover,
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  Speaker 1: which benefits Porter's call. I'm going to be playing at
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  Speaker 1: the one on January twentieth. If people are in town
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  Speaker 1: want to come out and support. I think it's great
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  Speaker 1: that there's so many organizations around town supporting the cause.
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  Speaker 2: And what's beautiful about that too, is we never have
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  Speaker 2: really taken the approach of promotion. We've always taken the
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  Speaker 2: approach of attraction. Like how when he started, just kind
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  Speaker 2: of leaning into almost a stubborn belief that the right
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  Speaker 2: people will kind of come around, and that's shown to
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  Speaker 2: be true for the last twenty something years. Is we've
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  Speaker 2: never taken out ads or we all have billboards as
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  Speaker 2: you're driving into town. In fact, I was a practitioner
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  Speaker 2: in town. I was a musician in town. And for
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  Speaker 2: over a time had lived here and had never even
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  Speaker 2: heard of this place called Porter's Call until I got
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  Speaker 2: a call one day where the founder had met with
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  Speaker 2: the founder of another organization that was a part of
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  Speaker 2: at the time, and basically they Porter's Call was trying
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  Speaker 2: to I was about to retire and they were looking
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  Speaker 2: for another porter and they had kind of gotten my name.
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  Speaker 2: But it's just even in this town, I had never
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  Speaker 2: heard of it, you know, And I know that there
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  Speaker 2: are people that will probably listen to this who maybe
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  Speaker 2: they've been in town for a long time or maybe
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  Speaker 2: they were just getting into town, but would definitely benefit
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  Speaker 2: from just just knowing that there are spaces here in Franklin.
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  Speaker 2: But there's also spaces even in the industry where where
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  Speaker 2: it's not always transactional, like they are places that you
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  Speaker 2: can go to that they're less interested in anything you
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  Speaker 2: do create or produce, they're more interested in who you are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it's great, a great resource resource
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  Speaker 1: for artists. What about musicians, are they eligible for this
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  Speaker 1: service or where would you recommend any touring musicians?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a great question because when we get
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  Speaker 2: often we also we we always hear where's where's the
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  Speaker 2: porter's call for you know, songwriters, where's the porters call
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  Speaker 2: for the higher guns or for the crew we we
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  Speaker 2: we don't like there there are services out there. Because
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  Speaker 2: of our eligibility requirements, we aren't able to see anybody
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  Speaker 2: that's not really like the the the artist or the
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  Speaker 2: partner of an artist there. But there again, are tons
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  Speaker 2: of organizations. There's uh, I know back Line is one.
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  Speaker 2: There are again, I don't know. It's the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day right now, so my my brain is fried,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm trying to think of other but there are
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  Speaker 2: definitely resources and and if you don't know what those
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  Speaker 2: are and you call in and you're wondering, am I eligible?
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  Speaker 2: And uh, we have a hostility coordinator. Her name is Mara,
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  Speaker 2: and she's incredible and she will she will help. If
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  Speaker 2: we're not the spot, that's fine. We're not for everyone,
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  Speaker 2: but will know who to get you to to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that you get the support that you need. So
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  Speaker 2: that being said, if you are maybe a higher gun
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  Speaker 2: or a studio musician, and maybe that's what you're doing
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: as you get your artistry built up, then that's a
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  Speaker 2: different you know, that's a potentially different story. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: The reason for that is because one of the I
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  Speaker 2: found one of the biggest stressors and unique stressors in
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  Speaker 2: working with who we've worked with for so long is
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: the travel component. This kind of constant departure, re entry
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  Speaker 2: from life, from family, from friends. That is one of
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  Speaker 2: the things that most people that don't spend their entire
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  Speaker 2: day with artists, it's kind of hard for them to
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: wrap their mind around what like that dynamic and what
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: that's like and how to navigate it and the pains
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: that come with that. And so really, when you find
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: you're an artist and you're you're having to go on
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the road and that comes with those unique things, that's
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  Speaker 2: really who we've worked with and specialized with.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: For a long time. So yeah, and that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of hired musicians that go
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  Speaker 1: on the road all the time, but when you're the
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  Speaker 1: signed artist or sign van, you know, you have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of commitments with your label and that's usually a
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  Speaker 1: heavy touring schedule. You have a lot of money to
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  Speaker 1: recoup what and if you're the hired musician, you're not
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: really attached to that contract like ye artist is. But
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I think it's definitely important for hired musicians to have
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  Speaker 1: these resources too. But I think the great thing about
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Porter's Call is this organization provides community and awareness. So
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  Speaker 1: if you're a hired player with an artist who has
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: been affiliated with Porter's Call and you're struggling, maybe you
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: have a conversation with them and they lead you to
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  Speaker 1: an organization like Music Health Alliance. So I think it
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  Speaker 1: can only bring awareness to anyone in the music industry
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  Speaker 1: who needs help.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's what's funny because we've worked sometimes with
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: people that started out as a hired gun and then
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: became an artist themselves, or it was the other way around,
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  Speaker 2: And this isn't maybe everybody's experience, but it's not all
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  Speaker 2: that uncommon when I sit with somebody who is who
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: is in the hired gun spot, who is also an
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: artist over here, who says, oh, man, it's really nice
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: to just go on the road and to not have
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: to be an like I just get to show up
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: and do my thing, because there's it's it's not a
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: better or worse, it's just a different type of pressure.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: It's a different type of it's a different experience. And
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I think most people that are in the industry that
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: do it have to some degree felt that difference of
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: like when when you're an artist versus when you are
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: on the road with an artist. Again, that's not everybody's experience,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: but there's just it's just a different it's just a
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: different kind of of thing. And when we set out
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: to do this, it was it was it was it
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: was to make the biggest impact we could. And we
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: found when working with the person that is the artist,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: that is a kind of the head, that the impact
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: that that can have on the entire team around them
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: can be really strong as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely so if someone's listening and they want
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to support Porter's Call, or maybe they're an artist themselves
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and they are eligible for these services, they feel like
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: they need to talk uh to someone because they're struggling
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: where they Where can they go to find Poor's Call
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and connect with you.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, our website's going to be one of the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: easiest we have. We have some stuff on socials as well.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I know, we have an Instagram page that you can
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: that you can find and right on there, there's there's
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: a link if you want to if you want to
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: get in on what we're doing and you want to
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: support it, there are all the ways to give right there.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: And most importantly I would say, if you're if you're
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: hearing this and you're in the struggle, you are, I
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: think exactly where you're supposed to be at hearing this
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: whenever you hear it, And so please just know the
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: hardest step that you can ever take is that first
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: one of reaching out, and if you do, you'll be
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: met with Mara, who is an absolute wizard at what
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: she does. You can call her office. You can also
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: see the eligibility stuff online and you can do all
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: of your internet sleuthing and check us out on our
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: website and see who's eligible, why do we do what
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: we do, and all that informations on there.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: That's great, Jared, thank you so much for being on
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: taking a walk Nashville today. This is quiet in I
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: always ask my guest at the end, but since we're
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: on taking a walk Nashville, do you have a favorite
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: place to take a walk in Nashville or even Franklin?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Ooh gosh, Well, I like to think of myself as
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: kind of the walking porter because if it's not freezing
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: outside as not raining, I really like to walk with
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: my people. And there's a park right next door called
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Pinkerton Park. That's really like, I really enjoy walking that.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: But my answer would have to probably because where I
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: proposed to my wife will be Percy Warner Park.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Phil great answer. Yeah, that's my favorite part to go
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to as well.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: It's so beautiful, so yeah, it's got some good memories too.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: So if you're ever in town you need a great
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: place to walk, can't go wrong with Percy One.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always a popular answer on our show. Here
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: we Go, Jared, thank you so much again for being
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: on the show today, and I hope our listeners will
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: go and check Porter's call and support them.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Taking a Walk Nashville with singer
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: songwriter Sarah Harrelson, and check out our other podcasts, Music
• 23:34
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• 23:41
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