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The Kenny Report | 30 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Tragic news from the Northern Territory. Police have found the
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  Speaker 2: body of the five year old girl who's been missing
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  Speaker 2: from an Alice Springs town camp. They're still searching for
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  Speaker 2: her alleged abductor. The interim report of the Royal Commission
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  Speaker 2: into the Bondai massacre and anti Semitism, the report and
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister ignore the central threat of Islamist extremism.
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  Speaker 2: Alex Rifchin will share his thoughts with us how to
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  Speaker 2: fix the runaway in dis A detailed report by former
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales Minister Prue Goward makes clear recommendations.
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  Speaker 1: She'll join me live.
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  Speaker 2: Will need some light relief tonight and in Sport with
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  Speaker 2: Mark Robinson we'll get that also Tim Blair and Mark
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  Speaker 2: Nicholson will cut through the chaos for us as well.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get cracking. As I mentioned, Northern Territory police have
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  Speaker 2: confers that they've found the body of the five year
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  Speaker 2: old girl missing for five days, believed to have been abducted.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go live now to Matt Cunningham in Alice Springs.
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  Speaker 1: Matt, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: So Polis are now searching for the little girl's alleged
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  Speaker 2: abductor and alleged killer, Jefferson Lewis.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, and they haven't minced their words about that search.
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  Speaker 3: Chris Assistant Commissioner Peter Maley this afternoon said to Jefferson Lewis,
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  Speaker 3: We're coming for you. There have been reports from police
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  Speaker 3: that there are people in the community trying to hide
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  Speaker 3: this man, that they're not coming forward to police with information.
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  Speaker 3: They have again implored those people to come forward, warning
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  Speaker 3: they themselves could face criminal charges if they continue to
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  Speaker 3: hide this man. This has been a tragic case here
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  Speaker 3: in Alice Springs. It started on Saturday night at the
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  Speaker 3: Old Timers Aboriginal Town Camp about five kilometers south Chris
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  Speaker 3: of Alice Springs. That's where there was a party going
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  Speaker 3: on at a house where young Sharon was staying, sorry
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  Speaker 3: the girl was staying there. She was seen at about
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  Speaker 3: eleven pm on that night holding hands with Jefferson Lewis,
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  Speaker 3: a forty seven year old man with an extensive criminal history,
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  Speaker 3: a man who had only been released from prison six
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  Speaker 3: days earlier. There was a search that was sparked when
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  Speaker 3: the girl's mother called police at about one point thirty
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  Speaker 3: on Sunday mornings. Over the past five days, police and volunteers,
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  Speaker 3: hundreds of them, have been scouring bush land around Alice
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  Speaker 3: Springs and around that town camp. And it was at
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  Speaker 3: about midday today that they made the grim discovery of
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  Speaker 3: the girl's body. Martin Dole, the Police Commissioner, broke that
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  Speaker 3: news at a news conference at about two pm, and
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  Speaker 3: we then heard from Leanne Little, the executive director of
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  Speaker 3: the Northern Territory Police who has been liaising.
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  Speaker 1: With this girl's mother.
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  Speaker 3: She read our statement today on behalf of the family.
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  Speaker 4: Kumujar a little baby. Me and Ramsey miss and love you.
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  Speaker 4: I know you are in heaven with the rest of
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  Speaker 4: the family, with Jesus and the Father Son and Holy Spirit.
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  Speaker 4: Me and your brother will meet you one day. We're
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  Speaker 4: giving our lives to Jesus. It is going to be
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  Speaker 4: so hard to live the.
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  Speaker 5: Rest of our lives without you.
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  Speaker 4: Ramsiah wants to tell you that when he sees you
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  Speaker 4: in heaven, he is going to give you the biggest
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  Speaker 4: hug ever. Love from Mum and Ramsiah.
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  Speaker 2: Gut wrenching stuff from the family, their matt to the
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  Speaker 2: family's assis not to use the little girl's name, So
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  Speaker 2: that's not out of disrespect, that's out of the family's wishes.
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  Speaker 2: I've been in contact privately with just Sento Namba Jimpa
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  Speaker 2: Price because she's this little girl was her niece.
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  Speaker 1: What she said to me.
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  Speaker 2: Privately, I'm certain she'll say publicly, and that is that
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  Speaker 2: she wants justice for the little girl, but also so
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the country to stop turning a blind
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  Speaker 2: eye to the terrible social and criminal problems in some
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  Speaker 2: of these town camps. You've seen so much of this
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  Speaker 2: over the years, Matt.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would share that cinnamon wholeheartedly.
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  Speaker 1: Chris.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's just horrific to be back here on
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  Speaker 3: the ground in Alice Springs, to be reporting on another
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  Speaker 3: case like this. I mean, if I turned my mind
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  Speaker 3: back eight years and I was on the ground in
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  Speaker 3: Tenant Creek where we were reporting on the rape of
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  Speaker 3: a two year old girl in not dissimilar circumstances, a
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  Speaker 3: situation where there'd been a party, there'd been a young
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  Speaker 3: child who had been left unattended, and then a horrific
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  Speaker 3: crime had taken place. You know, there was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of fuss made in the wake of that. We saw
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  Speaker 3: Malcolm Turnmule, the Prime Minister at the time, traveled to Tenant,
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  Speaker 3: Greek we saw an announcement of a huge amount of
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  Speaker 3: funding for that area. And that's one thing that strikes me, Chris,
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  Speaker 3: is whenever we have these sorts of incidents that do
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  Speaker 3: briefly shine a light on some of these tragic circumstances
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  Speaker 3: that some of these people are living in, the response
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  Speaker 3: seems to be more money. You know, when we were
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  Speaker 3: here in Alice Springs in twenty twenty three, when crime
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  Speaker 3: was just running absolutely rampantly out of control and the
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister came here, his response was two hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifty million dollars. But that money gets spent and often
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  Speaker 3: we don't have a good idea where it goes. So,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's going to be a lot of questions
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  Speaker 3: that are going to be asked in the wake of
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  Speaker 3: this tragedy here. There will be a lot of questions
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  Speaker 3: asked about what happened on that night and why that
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  Speaker 3: little girl wasn't protected. But they're not questions that haven't
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  Speaker 3: been asked before. You know, there was a damning report
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  Speaker 3: done by the former Children's Commissioner, Colin Gwynn following the
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  Speaker 3: rape of that two year old girl in Tenant Creek.
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  Speaker 3: That girl had been the subject of fifty two notifications
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  Speaker 3: to authorities before that incident had happened, but no one
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  Speaker 3: had intervened. Obviously, we don't know all of the ins
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  Speaker 3: and outs of this case here. The Chief Minister was
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  Speaker 3: asked a question about legislative change today in.
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  Speaker 1: Her news conference.
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  Speaker 3: He said it was too early to say, but she
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  Speaker 3: did say that nothing was off the table as far
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  Speaker 3: as making the changes that may be required to ensure
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  Speaker 3: that this sort of tragedy never happens again.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Cunningham, thanks again for your fantastic reporting. Appreciated Matt Cunningham.
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  Speaker 2: They're live in Alice Springs. Just a tragic outcome and
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  Speaker 2: a terrible, terrible outcome for everyone involved. Such important issues
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  Speaker 2: and there's no one better in the country than Matt
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  Speaker 2: Cunningham when it comes to shining a light on these
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  Speaker 2: issues and trying to get some long term action.
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  Speaker 1: Now. It was the Royal Commission that.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi was dragged to kicking and screaming in the
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  Speaker 2: days after Australia's worst terror attack, when fifteen innocent people
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  Speaker 2: were killed and dozens more suffered horrendous injuries at Bondai
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  Speaker 2: Beach when a father and son pair of gunmen, who
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  Speaker 2: police allegedly said were inspired by is the myst extremism
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  Speaker 2: when they attacked a Jewish Hunnaker celebration. While the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister resisted calls for a royal commission, he was booed and.
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  Speaker 1: Jeered at a memorial.
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  Speaker 2: And when he refused to budge, he was harangued by
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  Speaker 2: members of the public. Petitions were signed by thousands of people.
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  Speaker 2: Members of the Jewish community lobbied him, as well sporting
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  Speaker 2: icons and a former Liberal treasurer.
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  Speaker 6: The most deadliest terrorist attack in Australia's history as occurred
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  Speaker 6: on your watch. There is no ifs, there is no butts.
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  Speaker 6: There must be a royal commission called immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually, Albaneze had no option and he called a Royal commission.
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  Speaker 2: Inquiry is yet to hold public hearings and it lost
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  Speaker 2: the input of Dennis Richardson, the former AZO Foreign Affairs
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  Speaker 2: and Defense chief who was.
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  Speaker 1: Investigating the security response.
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  Speaker 2: But still it has delivered an interim report today.
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  Speaker 1: The report is tame and incomplete.
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  Speaker 2: Some of it is confidential, and it is entirely inadequate,
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  Speaker 2: but Albanezi is trying to pass it off as an
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  Speaker 2: endorsement of his actions.
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  Speaker 7: The recommendations show very clearly that in terms of the
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  Speaker 7: government's legal regulatory frameworks, did not hinder the agencies that
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  Speaker 7: we are responsible for in either preventing or responding to
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  Speaker 7: the Bondai attack, and that there are no urgent changes
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  Speaker 7: that are required to keep austraand safe.
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  Speaker 2: What an infuriating and heartless piece of obfuscation. Even this
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  Speaker 2: superficial report shows significant missteps, as my colleague Schrry Markson
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  Speaker 2: has highlighted in the months before the attack, when the
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  Speaker 2: alleged gunmen, who had already been investigated by ASIO as
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  Speaker 2: security risks when they traveled to an Islamist terrorism hotspot
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  Speaker 2: in the Philippines, Border Force and the Federal Police knew,
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  Speaker 2: but critically others were not told.
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  Speaker 8: The recommendation is classified, but you can see where they're
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  Speaker 8: going with this, given the background information that I have
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  Speaker 8: about the fact that Borderforce and AFP knew they traveled
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  Speaker 8: to the hotspot, but this information wasn't shared with ASIO.
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  Speaker 2: If ASIO and the New South Wales Police had been alerted,
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  Speaker 2: would the attack have been thwarted.
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  Speaker 1: We will never know.
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  Speaker 2: Today's report also outlines how New South Wales Police were
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  Speaker 2: asked by Jewish Community security to provide extra port for
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  Speaker 2: Harnaka events last year, but police carried out no specific
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  Speaker 2: risk assessment and allocated only four officers to keep an
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  Speaker 2: eye on the Bondai event on that fateful Sunday. Where
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  Speaker 2: this report is entirely inadequate and where the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the Royal Commission must focus is on the obvious and
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  Speaker 2: building threat, the rising tide of Islamist extremism and anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 2: and the constant public and private warnings about the risk
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  Speaker 2: to Jewish Australians in the two years leading up to Bondai.
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  Speaker 2: The report, for instance, didn't even mention this event on
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  Speaker 2: October the eighth, twenty twenty three, that's a day of courage,
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  Speaker 2: elements of Muslim communities in Sydney celebrating the slaughter of
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  Speaker 2: innocent Israelis when the horror was still unfolding in Israel.
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  Speaker 2: That was a blaring alarm right at the start, as
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  Speaker 2: I said so at the time. The interim report does
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  Speaker 2: mention the ugly scenes at the Opera House the following night,
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  Speaker 2: but the report only mentions f the Jews, not gas
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  Speaker 2: the Jews, as heard by many, Nor does it even
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  Speaker 2: mention where's the Jews, which is what police say was
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  Speaker 2: chanted and which was a clear and chilling warning. Here
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  Speaker 2: were people setting out, apparently on a hunt for Jews
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  Speaker 2: in Australia, two days after Jews were hunted down and
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  Speaker 2: killed and taken hostage in Israel. I. Was one of
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  Speaker 2: many demanding stronger action from government and authorities all the
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  Speaker 2: way back then, and it never came. I've got to
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  Speaker 2: say it sickens me now. It literally sickens me to
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  Speaker 2: see our Prime Minister pretending he's done all he reasonably
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  Speaker 2: reasonably could have done.
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  Speaker 7: I have said on multiple occasions governments could always do better,
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  Speaker 7: always do better. Social cohesion is important. Governments don't control
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  Speaker 7: by themselves social cohesion. That's something that everyone in the
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  Speaker 7: community has a role in. When it comes to racism
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  Speaker 7: in general, when it comes to any Semitism, where there
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  Speaker 7: has been a specific rise in any Semitism, that's why
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  Speaker 7: we appointed an envoy, especial envoy on any Semitism. That's
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  Speaker 7: why we'd already increased security funding.
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  Speaker 1: A special envoy.
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  Speaker 2: Don't forget you are pointed a special envoy for Islamophobia too.
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  Speaker 5: Those are not the words of leadership. That's buck passing.
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  Speaker 2: Albanizi has never called out Islamist extremism. He's never called
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  Speaker 2: Muslim leaders together to demand they do more.
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  Speaker 1: To fight radicalization.
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  Speaker 2: He's never gone to Muslim communities to enjoin them in
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  Speaker 2: this fight. In his media conference today he did not
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  Speaker 2: even mention the words Islamist extremism or radical Islam. Yet
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  Speaker 2: this is the threat. Islamist extremism is what threatens Jewish
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  Speaker 2: Australians and our social cohesion. But our Prime Minister will
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  Speaker 2: not even utter the words how spineless and how dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: Incredibly, this Royal.
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  Speaker 2: Commission an interim report does not even mention Islamists terrorism
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  Speaker 2: specifically except in a footnote. In fact, the report mentions
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  Speaker 2: Islamophobia more often than it mentions Islamist terrorism. This is
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  Speaker 2: exactly the sort of Ghad denihialism that left this country
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  Speaker 2: so badly exposed in the lead up to Bondai, and
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  Speaker 2: there is no sign the government has learned a single thing.
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  Speaker 7: There has been a rise in any Semitism. That is
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  Speaker 7: a global phenomenon that has occurred since the October actions
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  Speaker 7: of Hamas. That is something that has happened right around
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  Speaker 7: the world. A government's need to respond to it. We
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  Speaker 7: are responding to.
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  Speaker 2: It weasel words the actions of Hamas.
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  Speaker 1: Don't blame us. It's a global problem.
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  Speaker 2: Australians expect and deserve better. Remember Albanezi praised the march
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  Speaker 2: across the Sydney Harbor Bridge where the emblems and figureheads
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  Speaker 2: of Islamist terrorism were paraded and where some people chanted
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  Speaker 2: for death to the IDF and taking the inter farda global.
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  Speaker 2: And after police arrested no one for celebrating the October
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  Speaker 2: the seventh atrocities and arrested no one for chanting against
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  Speaker 2: Jews at the Opera House, the police and politicians also
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  Speaker 2: stood by while people called for inter farda, that is
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  Speaker 2: terrorism against Israel and Jews on Bondai Beach last year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: on the beach at Bondai calling for interfarda after almost
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  Speaker 2: two years of anti Semitic attacks, fire bombings and protests.
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  Speaker 2: Months later, into Fada came to that very place and
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  Speaker 2: killed fifteen people. Police and politicians did nothing to stop
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  Speaker 2: those chants, those calls for inter farda.
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  Speaker 5: Yet now they tell us they were vigilant.
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  Speaker 7: But I can assure the Australian public that the government
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  Speaker 7: will do everything necessary to protect the community. In the
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  Speaker 7: way of the Bondi attacked, my government took immediate action
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  Speaker 7: to bolster the resources of our security agencies, tackle anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 7: crack down on hate preachers and deliver tougher gun laws.
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  Speaker 2: You did next to nothing before Bondai, Prime Minister, and
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  Speaker 2: you've done next to nothing since. You showed no leadership
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  Speaker 2: standing up against the Islamist extremism that you were still
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  Speaker 2: afraid to even mention. You gave the terrorists of Humas
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  Speaker 2: exactly what they wanted by demonizing Israel at every turn
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  Speaker 2: and even recognizing the non existent state of Palestine. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: ALBINIZI has had this country of Australia recognize as a
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  Speaker 2: nation what is a terrorist bad land run by terrorists
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  Speaker 2: whose sole aim is to eliminate Israel and Jews. And
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  Speaker 2: now the PM tries to dodge any serious accountability or responsibility,
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  Speaker 2: jumping in front of the cameras before journalists even had
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  Speaker 2: a chance to read the report and cracking down on
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  Speaker 2: hate preachers. The same hate preachers are still out there preaching.
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  Speaker 1: The same staff.
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  Speaker 2: At least one of them was part of that Sydney
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  Speaker 2: harbor Bridge March that the PM praised as peaceful and
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  Speaker 2: gun laws Really, how dare the Prime Minister talk up
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  Speaker 2: gun controls by invoking the tragic memory of Port Arthur.
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  Speaker 7: There was no politicization of any of those events and
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  Speaker 7: to the credit of John Howard, Tim Fisher and Kim Beasley,
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  Speaker 7: the Parliament acted in a way that was appropriate and
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  Speaker 7: the nation is safer because of that. And I again
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  Speaker 7: would reiterate a constructive call for states and territories to
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  Speaker 7: work with the commworth.
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  Speaker 1: Really young controls.
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  Speaker 2: I've shown you before what's happened outside Jewish schools, community
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  Speaker 2: centers and synagogues in Sydney, something other media ignores. What
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  Speaker 2: have these barriers got to do with guns?
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  Speaker 1: They are to.
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  Speaker 2: Stop terrorists in cars or trucks targeting Jewish worshipers and
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  Speaker 2: school children. They are evidence of the grotesque hatred our
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  Speaker 2: governments and authorities know about but will not mention. It
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  Speaker 2: is this hatred, this ideology of Islamist extremism, that needs
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  Speaker 2: to be called out and tackled. Guns are a minor
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  Speaker 2: issue when we know Jihadis fanatics will use bombs, cars, trucks,
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  Speaker 2: knives or anything else as we saw in London overnight.
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  Speaker 2: Knives are a weapon of choice two, but knife control
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  Speaker 2: is hardly plausible. What we need is politicians prepared to
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  Speaker 2: tackle hatred. A public forum is booked and promoted for
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  Speaker 2: Sydney's Inner East next week. As I've shown you before,
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  Speaker 2: it's a forum arguing that it's okay to chant globalize
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  Speaker 2: the interfata. In other words, it's okay to call for
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  Speaker 2: terrorism and murder against Israel and Jews. It's being held
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  Speaker 2: in a Sydney City council building.
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  Speaker 5: Seriously, how can.
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  Speaker 2: Councils, police, state and federal governments just allow this hatred
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  Speaker 2: to fester? How can Albanisi and the other state and
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  Speaker 2: federal leaders and our law enforcement authorities seriously say they
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  Speaker 2: are tackling terrorism when they sit back and allow people
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  Speaker 2: to publicly advocate for the killing of Jews.
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  Speaker 5: It is insane. It is obscene.
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  Speaker 2: Why should Jewish Australians be forced to live under a
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  Speaker 2: threat that no other Australian would ever be expected to tolerate.
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  Speaker 2: Let me join the dots for you, Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 9: If people are free to preach, protest and chant hatred
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  Speaker 9: against Jews, and if they can take to our streets
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  Speaker 9: to demand inter fada or terrorism against Jews around the world.
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  Speaker 5: Then it will happen time and again.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen that fanatics follow through on these threats. Unless
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  Speaker 2: you are prepared to tackle this and call out Islamist extremism,
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  Speaker 2: more lives will be lost. That much is tragically certain.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to Alex Ritchin now, who's heads up.
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  Speaker 2: He's a co CEO of the Executive Council of Australian Jury. Alex,
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  Speaker 2: I've just got to get your top of mind response
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  Speaker 2: to this interim report today.
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  Speaker 10: Well, top of mind. It's a step, It's a step
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  Speaker 10: in a long and arduous process. We never expected a report,
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  Speaker 10: they learned an interim report to solve our problems. To
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  Speaker 10: get this society back to a state where the Jewish
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  Speaker 10: community doesn't have to live in the way that you've
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  Speaker 10: described with cement barriers, for us to be able to
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  Speaker 10: get to our homes and synagogues without being murdered. This
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  Speaker 10: is going to be a long process. And you know,
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  Speaker 10: the Prime Minister spoke this morning almost as though he
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  Speaker 10: was exonerated by the report because there was a finding
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  Speaker 10: that the legislative framework around security is adequate. That is
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  Speaker 10: only a very small part of this puzzle, and we
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  Speaker 10: look to our federal government, as we have done for
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  Speaker 10: two and a half years, to lead, to set a tone,
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  Speaker 10: to stand in solidariwn equivocally with the Jewish community, and
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  Speaker 10: to denounce anti Semitism and violence and incitement against us.
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  Speaker 10: That hasn't happened. So, as I said, it's a step.
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  Speaker 10: There are some things there which will I think make
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  Speaker 10: the security agencies more efficient and effective. I hope so.
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  Speaker 10: But we're such a long way from getting back to
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  Speaker 10: any semblance of security or normality for this community, for
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  Speaker 10: this country.
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  Speaker 2: There's so much to talk about that. But two main
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: aspects I want to get your thoughts on. First is
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the security failure. If this event had happened from people
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: that had never been known to our security agencies previously,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: it would be a security failure. But the fact that
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: the alleged government were both both investigated by ASIO, that
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: other parts of government knew, they went to the terrorism
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: hotspot in the Philippines, and they still were able to
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: carry out this attack, it shows it's a massive security failure. Yeah,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: there's no sense of that in this interim report.
• 23:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, there's no doubt about that. What you've said
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: is spot on correct. There were pieces of information known
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: by some agencies but not by others. There was an
• 23:19
  Speaker 10: assessment made in twenty nineteen that deemed these two murderers
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: to be of little threat or no threat. They then
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: traveled to terrorist's hotspots, they acquired weapons and held those
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: weapons trained. This wasn't a spontaneous eruption of psychosis. This
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: was planned and methodical, step by step, and there were
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: pieces of intel clearly that pointed to these people being
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: radicals and being on the cusp of an attack. That's
• 23:45
  Speaker 10: the way it certainly appears, and the fact that they
• 23:48
  Speaker 10: were allowed to do this and carry through this attack
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: is a fatu. There's no question when you have a
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: Cana terrorism apparatus in the country and an attack of
• 23:56
  Speaker 10: terrorism occurs at this scale and devastation, that by its
• 23:59
  Speaker 10: nature is a face of caniterrorism. There's also, of course,
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: the questions arising from the day itself, and I've heard
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: this from so many witnesses and so many survivors and families, why,
• 24:10
  Speaker 10: given everything that we knew about the threat level, at
• 24:13
  Speaker 10: the threat level at Jewish Australians, specifically about the vulnerability
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: of public sites of high profile venues. Why was this
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: event only secured by three police officers on foot walking
• 24:26
  Speaker 10: the perimetery was that adequate? And so these are all
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: things that the survivors come to me with all the time,
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: asking for these answers, and this is why we called
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: for the Royal Commission to answer these questions. As yet
• 24:38
  Speaker 10: they've not been answered, and perhaps it's outside the scope
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: of this interim report, but by the end of this
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: process we have to have answers to these questions.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: So I want to get to this second aspect. And
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: as you could probably tell from my opening, it just
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: makes me furious, It makes me despair. But the Prime
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Minister's complete refusal to address the issue of his almost extremism.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: He loves to use the word of anti Semitism, some
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: amorphous gray area of anti Semitism. We know that the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: killer threat is Islamist extremism. We know about hate preachers,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: we know about the various Islamis terrorism groups radicalizing people.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Yet he will not talk about it, and he will
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: not address it either with the public or with Muslim communities.
• 25:22
  Speaker 10: Well, for a while there, the government couldn't even talk
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: about anti Semitism without talking about Islamophobia, even though they
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: are totally disconnected. They're different in their manifestations and there's
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: a crisis of one, but very clearly not of the other.
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: So there's been I suppose an evolution in the government's
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: language where they can now talk about anti Semitism, but
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: they still can't pinpoint the threat itself. Now ASIO, on
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: the other hand, which isn't interested in these political niceties.
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: They are comfortable identifying and specifying threats, and they've been
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: very specific for years now that the primary threat to
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: the Jewish community and to all Australians is from radical Islam,
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: the Sunni stream in particular, and those on the periphery
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: of certain movements and ideologies that break off and carry
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: out acts advance in their own name. They've been extremely
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: specific about it. I don't see why the government can't
• 26:10
  Speaker 10: mirror that language from their own security agencies and speak
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: in those terms. But again, this Royal Commission can have
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: no favor for these political formulations. They need to get
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: to the bottom of this. If this weren't attack her
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: it out by neo Nazis, you can rest assured that
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: the Prime Minister would be talking about the Neo Nazi
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: threat all the time, so we need to be specific
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: about what we're dealing with here. There's a mortal threat
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: to Jewish austrains into all the strains posed by radical Islam.
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: That much is clear and it needs to be spoken
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: about and confronted.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Spot on, Alex, thanks so much for joining us. I
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: appreciate Alex Ripchin there. He's just such a strong leader
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: for the Jewish community in Australia.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I believe, I don't quite.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Understand how he manages to maintain such a measured and
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: composed form because the Government of Australia has let down
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: his community so badly and they continue to do so.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I want to go to One Nation leader Pauline Hanson.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Now he joins us from I don't know where, because
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: she's got a plane now she can turn up wherever
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: she likes.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: Oh, she's back at home and seen Ick grim. Good
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: to talk to you, Pauline. I'll come to that plane
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: in a moment.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: But I've got to ask you about this and the
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister today, even when talking about a Royal Commission
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: report into the Bondai massacre, the worst terrorism event in
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: this country's history, he can't mouth the words Islamist extremism.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: How can you fight a massive social and criminal problem
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: unless you are actually prepared to speak about it.
• 27:35
  Speaker 11: Trying to agree with you, Chris, it was a pathetic
• 27:37
  Speaker 11: report and I don't hold out any hopes for the
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: final report being handed down, and as you've said, they can't.
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: You know, I think Islam was referred to about seven
• 27:47
  Speaker 11: or prossibly ten times. She had about the gun is
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: she about one hundred, one hundred and fifty times. So
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: he's not addressing the white alphan in the room. And
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: that's about Islamic terrorism and the ideology behind it and
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: why this has happened in Australia and it's happening all
• 28:00
  Speaker 11: around the world, and yet we are being shut down
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: to really discuss and debate the whole issue. It should
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: look at immigration, the people brought in the country. The
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: Imams are preachers, the hate preachers. What's happening in our
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: mosques to create this hate in the country. And they're
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: going after Jewish people now at this moment. Don't worry,
• 28:19
  Speaker 11: they'll turn around. They'll go after Christianity and the people
• 28:21
  Speaker 11: after that, you know, white, anyone who's not a Muslim
• 28:24
  Speaker 11: in Australia. That's our future. If we can't look at
• 28:27
  Speaker 11: what's happened now the countries around the world, we're absolutely fools.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, this is the problem here.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: People want to try and dismiss this as some issue
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: for the Jewish community, as horrendous as that is, as
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: if it wouldn't be what worth fighting for, if that's
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: all it was. But this is an issue for all Australians,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: and those Jewish Australians are of course just important as
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: the rest of us.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: But it's a threat to everybody.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: In this country, including Muslim Australians of course, who are
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: so often victims of the extremism that creeps out of
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: their own communities.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: Let me go to your playing Pauline. It's a handy donation.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: A couple of big donors, Gina rein Hart and the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Aken family helping you out here. If you're going to
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: run candidates in every seat in the country, you're going
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: to need this. You're going to be flying around the
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: whole country. So it's a pretty important tool. Whose idea
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: was it?
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Did you?
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Did you suggest it or ask for it, or did
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: someone suggest you needed one.
• 29:25
  Speaker 11: Chris to tell you the truth, I don't ask anyone
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: for anything, and I've said that, okay. So anyway, it
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: was seeing that we used to have the Jabbaroum we
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: traveled around that and then they saw the benefit of
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: actually we needed another plane, so Missus Ryan Hart was
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: kind enough to donate it to the party so we
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: can actually get out to rule and registra. Her heart
• 29:45
  Speaker 11: is with the Australian people, to rule regional Australians very much.
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: So remember she was one that flew Barnaby and I
• 29:51
  Speaker 11: up on her plane to Julia Creek during the floods
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: when you couldn't get up there to visit the people
• 29:57
  Speaker 11: up there and to talk to them.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: She's got her gold.
• 30:01
  Speaker 11: And I really appreciate this offer of the plane which
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: enables us to get around to those remote areas that
• 30:07
  Speaker 11: don't see politicians and go and listen to the grassroots stones.
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: So I really appreciate it, and I'm very grateful and
• 30:14
  Speaker 11: appreciative of the assistance and help, and also from Angus
• 30:20
  Speaker 11: and Sarah Aiken who actually have donated money to the
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: party of course in Climber as well, and Adam Giles.
• 30:27
  Speaker 11: So the donations are very well accepted, and you know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: people out there start saying, now I am buying your votes.
• 30:36
  Speaker 11: No one, No one buys my vote. I look at
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: all pieces of legislation based on their merit what I
• 30:41
  Speaker 11: think is best for the country and for the people.
• 30:44
  Speaker 11: No one will ever turn me with money, you know,
• 30:48
  Speaker 11: donated to the party people keep on top of everything.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I got no issue with that, Pauline. I got no
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: issue with political donations. I think they should be declared
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: up front and open up time. And that's what I
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: love about this. Donate as much as you like and
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: just do it publically and so everyone knows that's fine.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And you say Gina Righthart is big hearted, no doubt
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: she is, but she'll be breaking the hearts of the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Liberal Party by giving you that's sort of support rather
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: than them. Which brings me to the by election in Darrah.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: And it looks like your man Farley is in the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: box seat to grab that seat from the Liberals. Do
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: you back him in as the favorite of this stage.
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: Chris isn't over to the fat lady things, as they say,
• 31:32
  Speaker 11: And that's on the ninth of May when the final
• 31:34
  Speaker 11: vote is cast, and then we'll actually see how it goes.
• 31:38
  Speaker 11: We're put up our policies. David Farley is very strong
• 31:41
  Speaker 11: about the Murray Darling Bason issue with the water issue,
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: which is farming sector, communities and the growth of the area.
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: It's been really ignored for the last twenty five years
• 31:52
  Speaker 11: under seasonally and they want change. They want to have
• 31:55
  Speaker 11: a voice out there and that's what we're going to
• 31:57
  Speaker 11: give them. I want to see Royal commission in Murray
• 32:00
  Speaker 11: Darling basin and I think it needs it desperately.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, while you're at order up a raw commission into
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: the snowy Hydro two point zero that would be useful.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: You might have better rope that in. That's part of
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: the Murray Darling. Thanks for joining us, pulling the appreciate it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Pulling Hanson there the One Nation founder and leader live
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: from Queensland.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: We've got to get to a break. On the other side,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about how to.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Fix the runaway indis.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: There's been a detailed report put together for the Center
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: for Independent Studies by New South Wales former New South
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Wales Minister Prue Goward.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: She'll join me next.
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Albanezi Labor has finally committed to getting the runaway growth
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: of the National Disability insurance scheme under control if you
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: can have any faith in them. Here's the Health and
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: NDIS Minister last week.
• 32:48
  Speaker 12: The NDIS was originally intended and expected to support around
• 32:52
  Speaker 12: four hundred and ten thousand people with a disability. Today
• 32:56
  Speaker 12: there's more than seven hundred and sixty thousand people on
• 32:59
  Speaker 12: the SI. Our initial modeling will see the number of
• 33:03
  Speaker 12: people on the scheme reduced to around six hundred thousand
• 33:07
  Speaker 12: by the end of the decade.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: That's one hundred and sixty thousand people set to be
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: booted off the scheme for more. Let's bring in form
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: in New South Wales's Liberal government minister Prue Goward. She's
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: written written a paper for the Center for Independent Studies.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: It's called a Better Track for the nda IS to
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: fix the flaws and cause the blowouts. She has done
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: this report, been working on it for a number of
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: months and unfortunately, just as we're about to go to her,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: she has disappeared. So we'll try and re establish that
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: link in.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: A short moment.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: But Preu Goward for Independent Studies has been working on
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: this report for a number of months leading up to.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: The current time.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Of course it's been quite fortuitous for them, but the
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: government has now decided to act on this issue when
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Prue Goward and the Center for Independent Studies have been
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: looking at it for such.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: A long time.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: What we will do while we try and re establish
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: a connection to prove Goward is get onto sport with
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Robbo and Robbo wanted to catch up with you about
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the NRL because the expansion plans for the West Tigers
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Mark Robinson of course joining US sports broadcaster and writer mate.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: The big news in the NRL.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: This week is about this expansion plan of course to
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: PAP in New Guinea and they managed to sign up
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: the West Tigers star Jerome Lewi. He's going to go
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: up and play for the P and G Chiefs, Sir
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Marquee signing for twenty twenty eight is when they're going
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: to start. He was actually flown from Sydney to Port
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Moresby earlier in the week by the PAP in New
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Guinean government on a private jet and he's apparently signed
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: up to a three year, multi million dollar tax free
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: deal which is going to make him perhaps the highest
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: paid rugby league player ever. Now it's going to be
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: a tough gig, living and playing and traveling and out
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: of pap in Neuinea.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: But tax free money might make it worth while.
• 35:04
  Speaker 13: One million tax free, I mean, let's be honest. I
• 35:07
  Speaker 13: mean with all expensive clubs, we've senate in the AFL
• 35:09
  Speaker 13: as well, and we serve it in the rugby league
• 35:12
  Speaker 13: as well. He's not going to be the last major
• 35:14
  Speaker 13: signing for this new franchise. And what always happens is
• 35:19
  Speaker 13: he's achieved. Players have achieved a lot in their career
• 35:22
  Speaker 13: and law four time premiership player Panthers, he saw an
• 35:26
  Speaker 13: opportunity and he's saying it's not about the money, but
• 35:29
  Speaker 13: one million tax free will make you have a have
• 35:32
  Speaker 13: a think and they're going to go after more players.
• 35:34
  Speaker 13: I have to make this success. As you know, mate,
• 35:37
  Speaker 13: I've heard you speak about it. The Australian government has
• 35:40
  Speaker 13: put a lot a lot of money into this new franchise,
• 35:44
  Speaker 13: so it's got to work.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's effective.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: He's effectively in RL's first public servant given it's funded
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: by the federal government.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Let's have a listen to what he's had to say.
• 35:54
  Speaker 14: I think everyone wants me to say, you know, tax
• 35:57
  Speaker 14: free and how appealing that is from the outside in,
• 36:00
  Speaker 14: But that's not that's not what got the deal signed.
• 36:04
  Speaker 14: Being over there, you sort of realize that it's bigger
• 36:07
  Speaker 14: than a game over there, and when the time comes,
• 36:10
  Speaker 14: we'll be able to change a lot of lives for the.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Bettert Yeah, his life will change for the better, but
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: no good on him.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: There is an altruistic side to this, There's no doubt
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Let's go to Ossie Rules and rule changes. They do
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: drive me nuts.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: What I've always loved about our great game of Ossie
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Rules is that outsiders off and look at it and
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: think there are no rules. It's a pretty free flowing affair,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: and I think so many of these changes over the
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: past couple of years have made it too technical with
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: the umpiring.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Here's Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge.
• 36:39
  Speaker 15: One of the ridiculous things that's happened recently is what's
• 36:42
  Speaker 15: happened with this between the ARC's last possession thing. I mean, ultimately,
• 36:47
  Speaker 15: if there's confusion as to who went off, what do.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: We used to do? We used to ball it in.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: We've tried to create more goals.
• 36:55
  Speaker 15: In the game. We've turned the game into this ridiculous
• 36:58
  Speaker 15: game of ping pong because we want money from broadcasts,
• 37:02
  Speaker 15: because there's more ads during.
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: The goals, strong words, Robo, what's your take on it?
• 37:08
  Speaker 13: I agree with him the first part about the last touch.
• 37:11
  Speaker 13: I mean, we're turning into NFL. It's an imperfect game.
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: We know that, and we're going to them.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: We're going to the arc.
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: To decide who touch the ball going out. I don't
• 37:22
  Speaker 13: know if that's good for the game. We don't need
• 37:24
  Speaker 13: more stocks. We have an app now the second point, Chris,
• 37:28
  Speaker 13: and I don't know if you'll agree with me or not.
• 37:30
  Speaker 13: That is so, I disagree strongly with Luke Beveridge about
• 37:34
  Speaker 13: ping pong footing. I see football Ria Haroldstone, and I
• 37:37
  Speaker 13: wrote many times. I remember the headline Gil. We have
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: a major problem. The game was a quagmire in defensive
• 37:44
  Speaker 13: actions you've seen in our football, Chris. You used to
• 37:46
  Speaker 13: go to the games and think there's no highlights, there's
• 37:49
  Speaker 13: nothing happening in the game because there was so many
• 37:52
  Speaker 13: players around the ball. So what the new rules did
• 37:55
  Speaker 13: They They were brought in to try and take on
• 37:58
  Speaker 13: the coaches who were smothering the game. Now now the
• 38:01
  Speaker 13: game has opened up. Now the argument could be it's
• 38:04
  Speaker 13: opened up too much, rather than the free flowing game
• 38:08
  Speaker 13: and highlights and marks and goals than the defensive slug
• 38:13
  Speaker 13: that we saw for about six years.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, spot on.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: You want a high scoring game, and if you want contests,
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: I agree with with the last touch.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: And if it's clearly a kick or a handball, that's easy, right.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: But if there's any doubt, if it's sort of just
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: fallen over, you don't know whose foot it's offul then
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: just throw it in.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: It's pretty easy.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: That's why we do it at under thirteen so that
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: we don't have any video reviews. But the other thing
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I keep coming back to this, you know what I'd
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: do to fix it, and I'll just get rid of
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I'd really cut back on interchanges. If you've got to
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: have the same players staying out there for longer, a
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: little bit more fatigue comes into it, a little bit
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: more kicking the contests and the fit of players running
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: the space, maybe higher scoring, more marketing contests.
• 38:53
  Speaker 13: You've just jumped on the wagon that Kevin Bart's been
• 38:57
  Speaker 13: riding for about fifteen years.
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: This is sorry, and Lee Matthews said the same thing.
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: They've got to reduce the interchange. But what they did
• 39:05
  Speaker 13: they didn't induce it, but they got rid of the
• 39:07
  Speaker 13: sub rule which now people have got clubs, have got
• 39:10
  Speaker 13: five players that they can bring on the ground, and
• 39:11
  Speaker 13: we have players only playing sixty percent of game.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Time in some cases. Just find on the rules.
• 39:19
  Speaker 13: There is a lot of rules, and some of them
• 39:21
  Speaker 13: look and feel stupid. Yeah, but I think the AFL
• 39:26
  Speaker 13: is trying to make it the best possible spectacle we
• 39:30
  Speaker 13: can have because what all happens, Viebel will tune out
• 39:32
  Speaker 13: and Vibel will not go.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we want, Robert, we want.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: We want a great contest, high scoring contest, attacking contests.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us, Mark Robinson early, because we lost
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Preue Gowd.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: We'll get to her after the break, just before we
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: lose the foot he let me just put a shout
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: out to my own footy club, the Mighty Adelaide Crows.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: In the shocking time they've been through there with the
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: skipper Jordan Dawson. They won't be playing tomorrow night because
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: of that. But our hearts have been with him, his
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: family and the club absolutely and they've handled with class
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and he's going to take all the time he can
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: after the break.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Prue Goward on the ndis.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Now, as I mentioned, former New South Wales Liberal minister
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Prue Gowds has spent months looking at a fix for
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: the NDIS. She joins me, now for gold and forget
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: the NDIS. Prow we need the NBN in GOLBN jazzed
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: up a bit, but good to have you on board.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: You've been looking at this for ages, writing up with
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: this paper and then Mark Butler's come out with his
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: prescription last week.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Has he got some things right? Yeah?
• 40:33
  Speaker 16: I think he has got some things right, But there's
• 40:35
  Speaker 16: a lot further to go. And it's one thing to say, oh,
• 40:38
  Speaker 16: we're going to get growth down to two percent, which
• 40:41
  Speaker 16: by the way, means a real reduction in a year
• 40:44
  Speaker 16: in the total budget. It's one thing to say it,
• 40:46
  Speaker 16: but you've actually got to work out and explain to
• 40:49
  Speaker 16: people how are you going to do it now. I
• 40:51
  Speaker 16: think there are four main things that need to change.
• 40:55
  Speaker 16: The first one is to cut the fraud. You've got
• 40:58
  Speaker 16: to really limit choice and control so that people can
• 41:04
  Speaker 16: choose their providers only by exception, because at the moment
• 41:08
  Speaker 16: we've got a whole lot of unregistered providers of services
• 41:11
  Speaker 16: who are allowed to provide services because it's the choice
• 41:16
  Speaker 16: and control of the participant. Now in the Netherlands, for example,
• 41:20
  Speaker 16: where they've got sort of a similar scheme. Less than
• 41:22
  Speaker 16: ten percent of people can choose their providers and choose
• 41:27
  Speaker 16: unregistered providers.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: Oh well, of.
• 41:31
  Speaker 16: Course, because you've got unregistered people who don't have to
• 41:34
  Speaker 16: Even the therapists don't have to be registered, so they
• 41:37
  Speaker 16: don't have to meet professional standards, they don't need to
• 41:40
  Speaker 16: do the books properly, they don't have to quit their
• 41:45
  Speaker 16: spending properly, and they don't have to account for themselves,
• 41:49
  Speaker 16: and no wonder it's been defrauded to this extraordinary extent.
• 41:53
  Speaker 16: So that's the first thing, Chris. I mean, choice and
• 41:56
  Speaker 16: control isn't really incredibly important human principle, but when you're
• 42:00
  Speaker 16: talking about billions of dollars, it's got to be better managed.
• 42:04
  Speaker 16: I think the second thing is there's got to be
• 42:06
  Speaker 16: independent eligibility assessments at the moment you are eligible on
• 42:12
  Speaker 16: the say so of your doctor, you're treating, clinician, you're cleaning,
• 42:15
  Speaker 16: pediatrician or psychiatrists. And what we've seen is those psychiatrists
• 42:21
  Speaker 16: they've got to know their patients, they've got to know
• 42:23
  Speaker 16: the parents, and they're a bit inclined to say that
• 42:27
  Speaker 16: somebody's got a serious level of autism where another psychiatrist
• 42:30
  Speaker 16: and independent psychiatrists might say something very different.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: So indeed there's a lot of that. We've spoken to
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: experts about that in the past. That's a very wise point.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: And your third key factor.
• 42:41
  Speaker 16: Well, I've got two more. One is ditch all therapies
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: for which there is no evidence base. Now it's a
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: huge organization. The NDI is it's absolutely got the capacity
• 42:51
  Speaker 16: to do the proper work on finding out which therapies
• 42:54
  Speaker 16: work and which ones don't. I mean, in autism, there's
• 42:58
  Speaker 16: a huge number of therapies that kids try that parents
• 43:01
  Speaker 16: hope for. You know, you read online every day there's
• 43:04
  Speaker 16: a new therapy. But if there's no evidence that they
• 43:07
  Speaker 16: work and they cost a fortune, I mean, the therapeutic
• 43:10
  Speaker 16: budget is billions, then why should we fund therapies where
• 43:16
  Speaker 16: there's no evidence that they'll work. And of course the
• 43:18
  Speaker 16: fourth thing is of course that there are a huge
• 43:22
  Speaker 16: number of people who have every day living supports. Now,
• 43:25
  Speaker 16: if you were blind or in a wheelchair, or you
• 43:29
  Speaker 16: had quadriplegia, you can understand that you'd need people to
• 43:33
  Speaker 16: provide you with toileting, dressing, shopping, cleaning assistance and community
• 43:40
  Speaker 16: access assistance. But that's not most people in the scheme.
• 43:44
  Speaker 16: I mean most people in the scheme. The majority of
• 43:46
  Speaker 16: people in the scheme have psychosocial disabilities and they're perfectly mobile.
• 43:50
  Speaker 16: So what I saw, both as a member of the
• 43:53
  Speaker 16: Administrative Appeals to be in at the time and now
• 43:56
  Speaker 16: in the research I've done for the CIS, was those
• 44:00
  Speaker 16: supports being used by people who really could do their
• 44:04
  Speaker 16: own clean, their own shopping.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: That's fascinating stuff. They're for very clear points.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: We're going to need to come back to you another
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: time though, because we are out of time.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: It's important you've said also that people need to be
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: able to graduate move out of the scheme where possible,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: and also that means testing won't work, So we'll come
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: back to that one another time.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Prue gald cut short there a bit because we had
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: that signal drop out earlier. We're going to get to
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: a break on the other side, Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: One of the things we'll chat about with them is
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the King's trip to Washington. We'll recap that for you.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Let's it straight into the National Cabinet with Tim Blair
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: and Mark Nicholson. Thanks for joining me, gentlemen, Tim, How
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: can alban easy do a long press conference to do
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: with the Royal Commission into the Bondai Islamist terrorism attack
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: and not even mention Islamist extremism.
• 44:56
  Speaker 17: I think that's part of the course with this government
• 44:59
  Speaker 17: and with this Prime Minister. So we've seen as well
• 45:01
  Speaker 17: in the interim recommendations they're still running this gun control line,
• 45:05
  Speaker 17: which was the most ridiculous smoke screen thrown up very
• 45:08
  Speaker 17: early by people who didn't want to recognize what the
• 45:11
  Speaker 17: real problem might be Islam.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, It's just it is a smoke screen.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: It is a distraction.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Bollards out in the front of out the front of
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: synagogues and schools around Sydney, and not there to stop guns.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: There's there to stop hatred, which we'll use whatever it
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: can get its hands on.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: Let's lighten the mood though. A bit for you, Mark,
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: I want to show you what your favorite minister's been
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: up to.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 45:37
  Speaker 18: Good morning everyone from Chinchilla, I mean Western Down's Queensland
• 45:40
  Speaker 18: today talking to locals about our renewable rollout and I
• 45:44
  Speaker 18: just had a beautiful run around town. Wholesale price is
• 45:47
  Speaker 18: down twelve percent. That's because renewables set the price through batteries.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Batteries.
• 45:52
  Speaker 18: Batteries batteries now sitting the price around a third of
• 45:55
  Speaker 18: the time, cold down, gas down, and that's led to
• 45:59
  Speaker 18: wholes prices being twelve percent lower for the quarter.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know why he thinks we want to know
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: how his run's going, Mark, But there's nonsense about prices.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: We don't pay wholesale prices.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: We have to pay to get the electricity to ourselves.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: And guess what, that's still going up exactly, mate.
• 46:19
  Speaker 19: But who's he talking to? Who is he talking to
• 46:22
  Speaker 19: on these who's watching that and getting convinced? Who is
• 46:25
  Speaker 19: sitting there going like I'm struggling with the power bills. Hey, honey,
• 46:28
  Speaker 19: don't stress. Chris Bowen's on the instagrams. He's not wearing
• 46:31
  Speaker 19: a shirt. He tells me everything's going to be great.
• 46:34
  Speaker 19: Don't worry about what Sky News and the abundance of
• 46:36
  Speaker 19: evidence says.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: We're good.
• 46:38
  Speaker 19: Everything's great, everything's cool. I don't even believe he went
• 46:41
  Speaker 19: for a run. That's how much I don't believe this broke.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: He's gone. Look at him.
• 46:45
  Speaker 19: The only time he's going to be running is away
• 46:47
  Speaker 19: from the town.
• 46:48
  Speaker 17: He's walking because they run out of electricity.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: That's what happened. Look at the guy.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Last, he's waiting, he's waiting in the queue to get
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: to the charger.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: While while we're having a laugh, I've got to share
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: with you a bit of surprise you. I'm not a
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: big fan of the Royals, and how illustrious King acquitted
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: himself pretty well for his main country, England. He wasn't
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: representing Australia, he was representing the UK. Of course, a
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: lot of the primacy for them, But I thought he
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: did pretty well with the human May I have a
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: look at this.
• 47:21
  Speaker 20: Indeed, you recently commented, mister President, that if it were
• 47:24
  Speaker 20: not for the United States, European countries would be speaking German.
• 47:29
  Speaker 20: Dare I say that if it wasn't for us, you'd
• 47:31
  Speaker 20: be speaking.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: French, as you'd probably known to him. In some parts
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: of Louisiana they still speak mainly.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: French, they really do.
• 47:42
  Speaker 17: It's a very colorful form of the language, a sort
• 47:45
  Speaker 17: of a creole. But no, no, everything's going very well
• 47:48
  Speaker 17: over there. It is odd, don't you think that a
• 47:51
  Speaker 17: bunch of lefties in the Democrats and someone who recently
• 47:54
  Speaker 17: had these No, King's demonstrations suddenly are very much embracing king,
• 48:00
  Speaker 17: a genuine king, And I can't really work that one out.
• 48:03
  Speaker 17: It's almost as though there are cynical and opportunistic and stupid.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: It's beautiful here they are standing ovation for the king.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: You know, just days ago they're marching in the streets
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: in the No King's rallies.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: It's just hilarious stuff. And of course Donald Trump didn't
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: miss it.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Here he is.
• 48:18
  Speaker 20: You got the Democrats to say, and I've never been
• 48:20
  Speaker 20: able to do that.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it. They liked him more than they've ever.
• 48:29
  Speaker 20: Liked any Republican or Democrat.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, Mark, they just suckers for celebrity in the end.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah that's right mate.
• 48:39
  Speaker 19: And of course you know they were laughing and applauding
• 48:41
  Speaker 19: a joke which it is rooted in colonialism, like they're shypocrites.
• 48:46
  Speaker 19: I actually I like the joke. I think I actually
• 48:48
  Speaker 19: think the King's been nailing it. It's who would have
• 48:51
  Speaker 19: thought Charles had bangers?
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: You know, That's the thing.
• 48:54
  Speaker 19: Everyone when they talk about, you know, Charles having bangers,
• 48:56
  Speaker 19: they're referring to his sausage fingers. But he was dropping
• 48:59
  Speaker 19: sincere jokes. That whole thing was brilliant. Yeah, And to
• 49:01
  Speaker 19: be honest, I'm sold on the monarchy now. That was
• 49:04
  Speaker 19: That's some good old fashioned diplomacy. He's charmed the pants
• 49:07
  Speaker 19: off of unbelievable work.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: For me, he's got a better speech, right for sure,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: because the last time I saw him he was talking
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: about putting cheese into his petrol tank or something.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: But yeah, he had a good trip.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about him.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: And talk about Charles in his years, he used to
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: he used to get a lot of ribbing for having
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: his big ears.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I'm glad President Trump didn't do this to him on
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: the visit.
• 49:28
  Speaker 9: Are you considering relocating NASA's headquarters out of DC once
• 49:32
  Speaker 9: the leases up to states like Texas, Ohio.
• 49:35
  Speaker 18: Well, the best man to tell you that is a
• 49:37
  Speaker 18: man sitting right over here.
• 49:38
  Speaker 20: You heard that question with those beautiful ears of yours.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: He's got great hearing. You know, he's got superhero trick
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: of the trade.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Sir, that's pretty cruel, it'sim I mean, back off, President.
• 49:53
  Speaker 17: It reminds me of a couple of decades ago when
• 49:55
  Speaker 17: Adam Gilchrist was in the Australian Vice captain of cricket
• 49:58
  Speaker 17: the Test team. He was appointed a stand in captain
• 50:02
  Speaker 17: when Steve Wall was crooked, and he stood up at
• 50:05
  Speaker 17: the press conference and said, you know, anyone wants to
• 50:07
  Speaker 17: come forward with any ideas, I'm all he is, because
• 50:09
  Speaker 17: he basically was. And you've got to get in first
• 50:14
  Speaker 17: with these sort of gags you do. Indeed, both Bill
• 50:17
  Speaker 17: Kristin and that chapter might have shown.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: That right out of time. Thanks so much, Tim, and
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: thanks so much Mark and Gilly.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: We love you. I'm sorry for Tim's chibe. There here's
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Peter Kredlin