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  Speaker 1: and that's pro two Underscores a n t In this
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disguise Coverage, we will be diving into the
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  Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills versus Baltimore Ravens Week four matchup in Baltimore,
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  Speaker 1: a game that I think a lot of Bills fans
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  Speaker 1: had circled on their calendar and schedule for a multi reasons.
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  Speaker 1: The Ravens now potentially do as well with how they've
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  Speaker 1: started the season.
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  Speaker 3: It's a game between two teams.
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  Speaker 1: That were talked about in terms of being favorites for
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  Speaker 1: the AFC, and I think still are favorites for that.
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  Speaker 1: AFC have two heavyweight hitting quarterbacks that are involved in
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  Speaker 1: the MVP discussion every year, one of them winning it
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  Speaker 1: last year in Lamar Jackson. And as we do here
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  Speaker 1: on the show, we are going to dive into all
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  Speaker 1: of the critical matchup elements and important details that will
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  Speaker 1: determine this game between the Ravens and Bill. Schemes, structure,
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  Speaker 1: player analysis, position group stuff, coaching pieces, anything and everything
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  Speaker 1: is up on the docket as we dive through in
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  Speaker 1: this episode. And I say we because I am not
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  Speaker 1: alone in this episode of Disguise Coverage, bringing to the
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  Speaker 1: stage mister Spencer Schultz of the Exit fifty two podcasts
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  Speaker 1: and one of the best Twitter handles when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to being a sports specific thing at Ravens for Dummies.
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  Speaker 1: I laugh every time I type it.
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  Speaker 3: This is your third appearance on the show now positive.
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  Speaker 2: But all your work I want to say yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: want to say three. I want to say three.
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  Speaker 1: I think Ravens Bill's regular season, Ravens Bill's another.
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  Speaker 3: Right, or maybe the playoff time as well.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe in the playoffs probably, I think I went on
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  Speaker 2: with someone else a few years ago, also.
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  Speaker 3: Cover one.
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  Speaker 2: In general, this is at least three for me. I
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  Speaker 2: believe that's fair.
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  Speaker 3: My brain is failing me in fault. I can remember like.
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  Speaker 2: They played, it's been they played twenty twenty two, last
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  Speaker 2: one before I was a playoffs. It's been a little while.
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  Speaker 3: That's fair.
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  Speaker 1: But it's good to have you back. You're awesome, your
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  Speaker 1: content is awesome. I enjoy everything you do and I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time to join me.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 2: Excited to be back. My friend fired up as a
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  Speaker 2: fun matchup, obviously circled for quite some time. Bill's getting
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  Speaker 2: Monday Sunday back to back. A lot of pizza being eaten,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of wings being eaten, A lot of beers
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  Speaker 2: and SODA's being drank up there in Buffalo back to
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  Speaker 2: back weeks. Huh.
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  Speaker 1: How do you feel about primetime games?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Are you a fan of them? Are you a Sunday
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  Speaker 1: at one o'clock type of guy? I asked you that
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  Speaker 1: because I hate the primetime games just because I don't
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  Speaker 1: like having to wake up the next day, and I
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  Speaker 1: just always and then from a content creation perspective, like
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  Speaker 1: I hate this week.
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  Speaker 3: The Monday night game is killing me.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm trying to get through all the stuff from
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  Speaker 1: last night and then prep for this show, and then
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  Speaker 1: I have another show Wednesday. So I'm a big time
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  Speaker 1: I'm a big proponent of Sunday one o'clock let it.
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  Speaker 3: Roll and just be that.
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  Speaker 1: So primetime games are cool, but traditionally I gravitate towards
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  Speaker 1: the Sunday one o'clock games.
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  Speaker 3: How do you feel towards the primetime games? You fan
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  Speaker 3: of them? Obviously I haven't seen them for a while.
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  Speaker 2: It makes it tough to do content, But I am
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  Speaker 2: a primetime football nerd. I don't know when the last
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  Speaker 2: time I didn't watch a Thursday, Sunday or Monday or
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  Speaker 2: Saturday or Friday night football game was I genuinely don't
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  Speaker 2: know it's been. I would have to ask my girlfriend
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  Speaker 2: somewhere around here, Hey, five years, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: love primetime football. It is my favorite, especially because I
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  Speaker 2: feel like it's the one time where you just sit
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  Speaker 2: and watch one game. And last night there were two
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  Speaker 2: caveat but you just sit and watch one game red zone.
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  Speaker 2: Even when I'm watching Ravens or watching you know, one
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  Speaker 2: specific game, you're got red zone, two screens, this this,
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  Speaker 2: this bang bang bang bang bang, and our attention deficit. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, generation I have it for sure. I'm on
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  Speaker 2: my phone still. Of course, I can't stay off of
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  Speaker 2: my addicting little screen. But you sit and you watch
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  Speaker 2: one game and you listen to it. I'm a big
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  Speaker 2: fan of the Manning cast when they don't have like
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Harder, like someone random on if it's a celebrity.
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  Speaker 2: They had Miles Teller on the last time they did
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  Speaker 2: it for a week two hated it, kil Bilichick on Fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: I love when it's just Elon Payton or like another
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  Speaker 2: quarterback or something. That is one of my favorite things
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  Speaker 2: to watch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I am so a couple, A couple like caveats
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  Speaker 1: to it. I love Sunday night football games because they
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  Speaker 1: just feel I like, I'm still thinking back when I
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  Speaker 1: was a little kid in like NFL Primetime with Tom
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  Speaker 1: Jackson and Chris Berman led into the Sunday night game,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like Sunday's kind of overtaken Monday for
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  Speaker 1: the primetime action.
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  Speaker 3: But I love Sunday night games. Monday night is still fun.
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  Speaker 3: But you mentioned an.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome part of like, I love all the little additives. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I love the Manning cast. I don't like games on
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  Speaker 1: Thursday nights, but I love Amazon Prime giving me the
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  Speaker 1: all twenty two angle and all the little bells and
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  Speaker 1: whistles that come with it where they're highlighting guys that
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  Speaker 1: are open and guys that might come on the blitz,
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  Speaker 1: and they got real time data and stats that are
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  Speaker 1: tied into it. Like, all those bells and whistles definitely
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  Speaker 1: make it fun. It's been nice to see a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of that for the Bills. Now with that Thursday night
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  Speaker 1: game against Miami, then they have the Monday night game
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  Speaker 1: against the Jags, and now here we go into Week
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  Speaker 1: four Sunday Night primetime against the Baltimore Ravens in Baltimore
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  Speaker 1: and Spence. The Ravens are one and two at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I think a game that they easily could have won
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  Speaker 1: to start the year against Kansas City, and then a
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  Speaker 1: game that they gave away against the Raiders. They almost
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  Speaker 1: give another game away against the Dallas Cowboys after just
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  Speaker 1: grinding them into the dust for the first three and
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  Speaker 1: a half quarters, almost completely.
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  Speaker 3: Four. Where are the Ravens right now? They're sitting there
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  Speaker 3: at one and two? How do you view them? How
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  Speaker 3: do you see them?
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  Speaker 1: And it's always you know, the Bill parcels, you are
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  Speaker 1: what your record says you are. Are they truly a
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  Speaker 1: one to two team? Is this a team that's been
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  Speaker 1: hard done out by some bad things? Are they a
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  Speaker 1: couple moments away from being two and one or three
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  Speaker 1: and zero?
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  Speaker 3: In your eyes?
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  Speaker 1: Where do you see them right now? Especially in terms
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  Speaker 1: of the larger AFC landscape as a whole.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're very much a work in progress. I
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  Speaker 2: think that the Ravens and John Harball spoke about this
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  Speaker 2: this week. They value being smart, and I think people
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  Speaker 2: joke the league has caught up to them and their
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  Speaker 2: analytics and their comp picks and things like that. They're
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  Speaker 2: not the smartest guy in the room anymore, but they
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  Speaker 2: try really hard to be. They want to be multiple
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  Speaker 2: on offense and multiple in defense. They want to run
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  Speaker 2: spread gun. They want to run under center, run game,
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  Speaker 2: play action game. They want to run pistol. On offense.
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  Speaker 2: They want to be able to push the ball downfield.
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  Speaker 2: They want to work the tight ends, the full back end.
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  Speaker 2: They want to hand the ball off. They want to
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  Speaker 2: get Rise Flowers and Rashad Bateman involved. They have two
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  Speaker 2: tight ends. They really like to get working. Defensively, They've
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  Speaker 2: got a big safety. They move around a lot. They've
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  Speaker 2: got a corner that they play on the outside in
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  Speaker 2: the inside. They've got a highly paid defensive tackle that
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  Speaker 2: kicks out. They've got a linebacker that they like the
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  Speaker 2: blitz a lot. They've got guys they like to move.
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  Speaker 2: They like to stunt. They like to simulate pressure. They
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  Speaker 2: like to play man coverage. They like to play zone coverage.
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  Speaker 2: They like to do middle of the field, open, middle
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  Speaker 2: of the field clothes. They like to disguise before and
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  Speaker 2: after the snap. It's a lot. They do a lot,
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  Speaker 2: and they have some new faces. They have a new
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  Speaker 2: young defensive coordinator. Their offensive line is bad and is
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  Speaker 2: a work in progress and has three new faces, three new,
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  Speaker 2: brand new starters at their positions respectively. Really, I mean
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about it, but two basically rookies, and that's
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  Speaker 2: been tough. That's been limiting because they want to attack
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  Speaker 2: you with this grand this grand symphony where there's Act one,
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  Speaker 2: Act two, Act three. Oh, cooler and likely are on
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  Speaker 2: the field now Card Andrews are on the field. Oh now,
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  Speaker 2: they're an eleven personnel. The offensive line needs some help,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it took until week three to realize, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we need to run a lot of play action. We
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  Speaker 2: need to run the ball a lot. The Cowboys defense,
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  Speaker 2: I think is a little bit of fools gold for
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  Speaker 2: the Ravens. Ravens run for two hundred seventy five yards.
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  Speaker 2: I think anybody can run for undred seventy five yards
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  Speaker 2: of Cowboys right now.
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  Speaker 3: They're bad.
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  Speaker 2: And the Ravens did it in a really cool way.
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  Speaker 3: It looked cool.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of cool highlights. Lamars dancing downfield for
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  Speaker 2: ten yards, Derek Henry stiff farming guys. I think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of teams can put up two yards rushing. Cowboys
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  Speaker 2: defense sticks. They're structurally unfit, schematically terrible. They don't have
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  Speaker 2: guys that are bought in or confident right now. They
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  Speaker 2: lost Dan Quinn who had that defense cooking for a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years. Mike Zimmer's back from Colorado doesn't look great.
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  Speaker 2: So that felt like a little bit of an extension
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  Speaker 2: of training camp in the preseason for the Ravens where
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  Speaker 2: they were able to run the ball a lot, work
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  Speaker 2: it out a little bit, get the line some reps,
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  Speaker 2: get some confidence in the line. But I would say,
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  Speaker 2: again to give short answer, work in progress right now.
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  Speaker 3: From the defensive side of things.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of set the world on fire last year with
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  Speaker 1: what they were doing and kind of potentially leading the
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  Speaker 1: charge for that new identity of scheme and structure in
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  Speaker 1: the NFL and three safety looks and everything that Mike
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  Speaker 1: McDonald was doing. He leaves, Zach Orr takes over former
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  Speaker 1: Baltimore raven himself. Where are you at right now on
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens defense with kind of where they are? Do
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  Speaker 1: you think it's just matter of time for kind of
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  Speaker 1: finding their footing and adjusting a little bit and they'll
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  Speaker 1: get there. I think last year's at the bar so
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  Speaker 1: high really the past couple of years with what McDonald
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  Speaker 1: was doing, and then the pieces that they had on
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  Speaker 1: top of it. What do you kind of forecast for
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  Speaker 1: that defense this year?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think they.
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  Speaker 1: Start to scrape towards the levels that they were playing
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  Speaker 1: at last year, or do you think with you know,
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  Speaker 1: outgoes McDonald kind of out goes that high ceiling potentially
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  Speaker 1: schematically that he had with him.
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  Speaker 2: I think that it's a similar unit. It's a similar
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  Speaker 2: Zach wrs didn't come in to reinvent the wheel. They
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  Speaker 2: didn't as they're not asking him too, they don't want
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  Speaker 2: him to. It's a team system, it's a system defense.
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  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald was a product of working for both DNPS
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  Speaker 2: and Wink Martindale and Jim Harbaugh. That was the product
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  Speaker 2: of what they wanted. The Ravens again want to be multiple,
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  Speaker 2: They want to confuse you. They want to bring pressure
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  Speaker 2: in different areas. Zach r is still doing a lot
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  Speaker 2: of those things. I will say Mike McDonald did have
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  Speaker 2: a propensity to understand what pressure to call or what
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  Speaker 2: structure to put on third down at a scary level,
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  Speaker 2: and he's doing that again with the Seahawks that he
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  Speaker 2: knows when to get you where in terms of pressure baiting,
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  Speaker 2: things structurally. So Zach Orr has not quit and the
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  Speaker 2: Ravens evens hasn't quite caughtton up to the disguise the deception.
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  Speaker 2: They are still actively trying to. They're still going to
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  Speaker 2: go line up in a Cover one press look and
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  Speaker 2: drop out into Tampa two. They're still gonna bring slot
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  Speaker 2: pressures from a Tampa two look. They're gonna do a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it. But Zach or excuse me, Mike McDonald
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  Speaker 2: was doing it at an outlier level. The Ravens were
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  Speaker 2: almost never in the same look pre snap in terms
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  Speaker 2: of coverage that they were post snap. It was I
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  Speaker 2: think seventy two percent of plays last year charted by PFF.
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  Speaker 2: They changed the pre and post snap coverage look middle
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  Speaker 2: of the field, open to closed, close to open. So
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  Speaker 2: they're doing that a bit this year. It feels a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more like they want to sit back a
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  Speaker 2: little softer at times, especially when they do get a lead.
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  Speaker 2: They want to play a little structure. They'll still blitz,
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  Speaker 2: they'll still send pressures. I just broke down the Cowboys
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  Speaker 2: kind of coming back in that game a lot that
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  Speaker 2: was just fueled by simply recovering an on side kick.
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  Speaker 2: Cowboys scored a touchdown recovering an on side kick. They
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  Speaker 2: end up being on the field. The Rams defense is
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  Speaker 2: on the field. It goes from a twenty two point
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  Speaker 2: lead to a touch all right, they allow one touchdown finally,
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  Speaker 2: and then immediately an on side kick goes through Jay
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  Speaker 2: Flower's hands. They're back on the football field, like, oh wow, okay,
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  Speaker 2: we thought Derek Henry was about to get the ball
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  Speaker 2: for like six minutes here and then Zach Orr. I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was a nice lesson of trying to snap
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  Speaker 2: back in from hey, let's make them go the long way.
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  Speaker 2: It was like a seven play drive for the Cowboys.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it took five six minutes. Perfect, that's what
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  Speaker 2: you wanted, even if they scored. But then you've got
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  Speaker 2: to snap back into it because suddenly it's only a
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  Speaker 2: two score game and you need to get your guys
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  Speaker 2: bought back in and it's not a blowout anymore. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: the Cowboys have the ball at midfield. So I thought
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  Speaker 2: that was a nice little lesson, considering they were able
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  Speaker 2: to hold on the critical plays. To me, in that game,
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  Speaker 2: we're kind of the two point conversions. They were able
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  Speaker 2: to stop them both times when they needed to take
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  Speaker 2: away ceedee Lamb Cowboys tried to force the ball to
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  Speaker 2: them twice. If they didn't make those plays, they might
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  Speaker 2: be ohing three right now. Those two conversions were huge.
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  Speaker 2: So I like what I see. Their run defense is narsty.
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  Speaker 2: Their big boys up front are narsty, and I like
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  Speaker 2: that a lot. I think a lot of it was
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  Speaker 2: just little leverage. It's a little leverage things. Oh we
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  Speaker 2: got a rookie corner Nate Wiggins. He can't lose inside. Ah,
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  Speaker 2: he let his guy get inside leverage on him and
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  Speaker 2: run a slant for twenty four yards. Oh, Marcus Williams,
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  Speaker 2: you know it's has to motion out and it's suddenly
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  Speaker 2: man coverage on one side. He can't lose outside. Oh
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  Speaker 2: he let his guy get outside. Just bad, little little
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  Speaker 2: leverage technique things that are that are kind of you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was a good learning point in many ways. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they're definitely, like I said, work in progress on just
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  Speaker 2: those little tiny things.
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  Speaker 1: I love the two point conversion piece that you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: is I thought that was so huge, especially in games
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  Speaker 1: like that where it feels like the other team is
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  Speaker 1: kind of building momentum, but you can still you can
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  Speaker 1: just throw that wrench into the works a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: and they kept doing it with that two point conversion piece.
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  Speaker 3: It was just like no, no, no, no, no, Like just
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  Speaker 3: pump the brakes a little bit down.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, we're gonna kind of keep you at bay
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, and then they have the ability to
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  Speaker 1: kind of close it out at the end. Yeah, they're
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  Speaker 1: just I've really just loved what they've done schematically, really
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  Speaker 1: what they've been even I know Greg Roman and his
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  Speaker 1: offense and everything, but I just I've just loved their
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  Speaker 1: identity for so long, offensively with like, hey, we've got
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  Speaker 1: this unique guy at QB. We're just going to lean
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  Speaker 1: into it. And it's funny now how in different ways
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the league is like, you know, oh,
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  Speaker 1: the too high world and all these answers, so it's
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  Speaker 1: like heavier personnel and bigger bodies and the marriage of
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  Speaker 1: the run of the past and the Ravens have been like, well,
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  Speaker 1: we've just been pretty much doing weird stuff for forever
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  Speaker 1: with pat Riccard and all of our tight ends, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're fine, We're just gonna keep doing what
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  Speaker 1: we've been doing, except upgrade our pass game a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: With Todd Munkin and and then you have the.
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  Speaker 1: Defense, the defensive side with the pieces and or taken
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  Speaker 1: over McDonald and I don't want to spoil too much
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: because some of that is in my points here, but yeah,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: spot on with your pieces and your analysis kind of
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: leading us into this conversation where we will break down
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: the critical elements that will decide Bill's versus Ravens. For
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: those who don't know and are playing at home watching live. Now,
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: what Spence and I are going to to do is
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: we're each win to give our top three elements that
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: will decide Bills versus Ravens. It could be schematic or structural.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: It could be an individual player versus player piece. It
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: could be coaching, it could be a position group. If
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: anything is up for grabs, I don't know his answers,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know mine. For those playing at home and
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: watching live, feel free to put your answers into the chat.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Feel free to throw ours into the fire and drag
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: them if you think they're terrible. Whatever you got thoughts, questions, comments, concerns,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: put it into the chat. I will pull up everything
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: as humanly and as physically possible. Spence, you are the guests,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: so you can start for it is yours. I don't
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: know if you have them ranked like three two one
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: or one two three, but whatever you choose, feel free
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: to start with that and have that.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest key for this game is if
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: the Bills can force the Ravens into third and long
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: consistently and expose the Ravens offensive line by doing so,
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: because what is what are the Bills? What is the
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Bill's system? Kind of similar to what the Ravens do.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: They want to make you dink and dunk the football
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: well down the field. They'll give you some fifteen yard games.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: They'll keep their safeties high a lot, They'll play a
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: lot of nickel. They'll tackle really well. Their linebackers will
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: close some windows, and they're gonna try and stop the run.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: They've got some big athletic dudes, Russo Epinessa, you know,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: all those big boys up front. Epanessa is one of
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: my favorite college prospects in the last few years. I
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: don't know what they did to him, making him so thin.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: It took years for him to emerge as this thin
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: boy who's quick. It's been driving me nuts, but I'm
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: glad to see he's making such a high impact. Broke
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: my heart. What they did? I want to and.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Also too leg not only that happening, but it happening
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: during COVID. So it's like, hey, welcome to the NFL.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: During COVID, we can't really meet a person, and we
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: really need you to change your entire body composition and
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: thus your play style and then relearn everything on the
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: fly in the NFL.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, see you at camp.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: It was it devastated me. I have first time. I
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: was like, why is he so thin? Is he okay?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh? Why is he not playing any three tech?
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's only playing outside linebacker? Okay. But
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: to their credit, it worked. He is playing lights out.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Him and Rousseau another guy that needed a little bit
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: more development maybe, But those dudes von Miller being a
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: pass rush specialist now bringing the juice on third down
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: against the Ravens offensive line that is pissed poor. Their
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: right side of their offensive line is I'm dumbfounded watching them.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: They have better options on their roster. Uh, there's a
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: weird situation going on with the Ravens right now. They
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: had drafted a right guard three years ago named Ben Cleveland.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: He's played in five games He's been pretty damn solid
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: every time. Played against the Dolphins. Last year, let up,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: no pressures, no sacks. Ravens score fifty points. Plays against
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the Steelers the highest you know PFF grades. You can
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: you know, do what you want with them. But he's
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: the highest rated blocker on the Ravens in that game.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Suddenly they have Daniel fole Ala, who I loved as
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: a prospect as a tackle in Greg Roman's offense. I
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: was higher on him in Greg Roman's offense than maybe
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: anyone on the internet. I had a second round grade
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: on file Ale as a tackle. Played played against the
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Bills last time they play. Had to play tackle Ronnie
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Stanley's out had some nice blocks against one Von Miller
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: late in that game. Is in his first game. It
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: was actually the first time he ever started at left tackle.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: But he is a six foot nine, three hundred and
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: eighty pound guard who has slow feet and hasn't played
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: guard before ever. He was late to football. He doesn't
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: see stunts coming very well. Their right tackle is maybe
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: three hundred and five pounds six foot three with short arms,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: and he's a very nice player. He's a swing tackle.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: He can play some center. He can play some guard.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: He's a great six guy to have. But they have
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: a really good right tackle that they just drafted who's
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: showed some really nice flashes for a rookie. It is tough,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: you know, developing rookie offensive lineman is Spencer Brown is
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: an example of that. So I did also love in
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: the drafts. It takes some time to develop those big
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: uglies both sides of the ball. But man, if you
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: can get the Bills pass rush cooking on third down
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: against those guys, Lamar has been doing his best Josh
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Allen impression not taking sacks, yes, but he is not
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen when it comes to not taking sacks. There
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: is no one who compares to Josh Allen in sack avoidance,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: and that is what is so devastating. So the Bills
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: are a little bit more comfortable playing that third and
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: long game. It's a little tougher to actually corral Josh
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Allen and get him down and make him throw the
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: ball away. The Ravens are not quite capable, in my opinion,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: of consistently being able to protect Lamar Jackson unless you're
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: keeping in a guy or two, and then you're limiting
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: your routes and the Bills are sound disciplined on the
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: back end. They be run the same system for years,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: So third down for the Ravens, third and long passing situations,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: it's gonna have to be Lamar making superhuman plays. And
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: if you want to rely on that, you're gonna lose
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: games against a really good Bills team more often than not.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, I love your point. I mean all
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: of them, but leading in with Cleveland like cause that
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: that confused me, Like I just assumed that he would
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: be their starting guard this year. And I just continue
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to see fable Ale like just struggle significantly, especially in
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: like high leverage situations and especially against like high level talent.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I just don't get it.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: And then it's funny too, like juxtapposing the right side
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: with like underbomb through Stanley, like when healthy Stanley's like awesome.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I loved the Ravens taking Voorhees last year, letting him
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: red shirt after that injury. I loved his USC tape.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I was legitimately like sad when he got hurt during
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the draft process and I was sitting there pounding the
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: table for the Bills. I was like, take him on
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: day three, just let him sit like, let him heal.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: And then of course, like you know, you mentioned the intro,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: everybody's kind of catching up to the Ravens now and
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: they're not the smartest guys in the room, but I
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: was like, of course the Ravens will be the ones
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: to kind of pull that Vorheas card. And then you
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: know he's starting this year for them, and just juxtaposing
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: that left side with the right and I think back
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: to that opening game against the Chiefs, and it felt
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: like every time Chris Jones was just abusing someone, it
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: was on that right side and he was coming through
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that B gap or you know, lining up in the
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: B at three and it's coming through that a like.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: It was just that right side was constantly under fire.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I just and again my ear is into
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the ground with them, like like it is for the Bills.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: But you highlighting that is also kind of just kind
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: of gives credence to the thoughts that in the back
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: of my head was like, why isn't Cleveland playing Like
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I just don't is because his name is Cleveland and
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: they just don't want any Browns references.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: And I was like, I just don't.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I just don't get it, and and you know it's
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: funny too. Even within that, I thought, so really great
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: pull from you. In terms of like pressure to sack percentage,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I tweeted this earlier. Out of thirty five qualifying quarterbacks,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen this year has the lowest pressure to sack
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: rate at six point nine percent. He's always one of
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: the best year in and year out. It's usually like
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: him and Mahomes in the in the bottom three in
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: a good way.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Lamar has the fifth.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Lowest at twelve point five and he's been under siege
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: a lot more than the numbers necessarily indicate. So out
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: of thirty one qualifying quarterbacks, Josh Allen has the fourth
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: lowest pressure rate in the NFL at twenty three point
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: eight percent. Lamar has the fifth lowest pressure rate at
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: twenty five point nine percent. I thought it was gonna
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: be higher, just because, like you, I kind of think
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: that offensive line is very worrisome impass protection. But the
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: numbers didn't show. And again maybe it was just that
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Kansas City game sticking in my head, and I know
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the Raiders didn't get after him too much, and that
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: that Dallas game was just we're going to run in
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a million times and grind into dust.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: But that offensive line is still obviously like a worry.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Some peace, certainly. And like you said, they didn't really
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: throw the ball against the Cowboys. They had six straight dropbacks,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: no playcsu, no screen. They allowed pressures on three of
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: them Raiders. It's crazy, yeah, half of it. They just
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: didn't have to throw the ball, basically, And guess what
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: their offense did great because they didn't have to get
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: into third and long. That's when they did. It was bad.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: It's crazy how offenses do better when they can avoid
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: straight dropback situations and or make defenses not know when
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: they're going to have a straight dropback situation exactly.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: And that's what Joe Brady's been doing a great job
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: of up there in Buffalo. And with that, the Raiders, Yeah,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: the Raiders towards the middle of that game didn't get
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: a ton of pressure. There's a couple. Christian Wilkins won
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: a couple. Max Crosby basically book ended the game with sacks.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: He had a huge sack in the first quarter, a
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: meet almost immediately might have been their first drop at
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I can't remember, maybe third at the latest. And then
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Ravens have the ball in a tie game after putting
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: away a lead and then go into a straight drop
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: back with three minutes left for some reason, and Max
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Crosby Everybody's Got a podcast, goes on his podcast affter
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: and says, oh, I saw falle Ale there and it
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: looked like might be getting a set where he's gonna
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: be one on one, and he just ran right by him,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: just ran right in front of his face. The best
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: pass rusher arguably. I mean you can say arguably in
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: the NFL, and I don't think that's a big thing.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: You know, you can put him right up there with
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Watt and Bosa and no.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I love that, especially considering he hasn't had a running
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: mate for years and it's just been him and everybody.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: The Micah Parsons treatment that the Saints gave Parsons in
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: that game between Saints and Dallas, where Parsons was like, oh,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: they had me running through a maze and they're sending
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: tight ends and running backs and chipping him.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: He's going against two or three guys.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Everybody's been doing that against Crosby for years because they
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: have no one else up front. So it's like, let's
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: just send everybody a Crosby, and he still produces efficiency
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: numbers and volume and no jinks never comes off the field,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: is just one hundred miles an hour, one hundred percent
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: of the.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Time for like ninety percent of snaps he had. Dude
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: is just a monster.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, he's licking his chops there, especially because
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: he loves to rush off the defense's left, the offense
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: is right, and then seeing that ravens right side, yea
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: thousand percent.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Feasting feasting on him. So yeah, when they lose, it's bad.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: And when they run straight dropbacks, it's it's a little
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: bit worse. They're like sixteenth. But when they lose, it
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: is so instant and so clean. I can think of
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Christian Wilkins. You mentioned Chris Jones, I can think of Crosby,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I can think of Parsons in this one. Once. It
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: is so immediate and so clean, it is devastating. It
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: is dead into Lamar Jackson's face. Luckily he's a roadrunner
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: and can get around a little bit of it. And
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: he's no I mean, like I said, he's doing his
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: best Josh Allen impression, because Lamar has never been He's
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: elusive and makes a lot of plays, but he has
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: taken a fair amount of sacks as well. He has
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: struggled to just kind of kill the play a little
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: bit at times, and because of that, he also makes
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of great place too. So it's not the
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: end of the world. But he's a little older now.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: He's in year seven. Shall Lamar Jackson, you're seven? Crazy
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: to say six seven seven seven seven? Yeah?
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know why I remember seven because.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Who is Chris Long who has the podcast former egle number?
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: So he did.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I think it was after the opening game of the
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: season when the broadcast talked about Allen being whatever, I
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: forget what crop his family farms, and Chris Long like
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: looked it up and like the life cycle of when
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: like that crop is perfectly ready to be harvested is
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: seven years, and Josh Allen is in his seventh year.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: So Chris Long was like super Bowl for the Bills,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: like tying into his farmer back around. It's the only
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: reason I remember it's year seven or with those number peoples.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, FCA or no f FA president Josh Allen, Right.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, that's right. Actually, yeah, I think so.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I was. I was in the FFA in high school,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: so that's awesome.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I like that. I like that.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny just to see. Yeah, in year seven,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I still remember going back, I wanted the Bills. The
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Bills had so many high value picks in that draft.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I wanted them to stand pat and I was just
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: clamoring for them to take Lamar Jackson at the end
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: of the first round.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: I was like, he's a better passer than everyone gives
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: him credit for. Just take Lamar.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: They ended up packaging a bunch of picks, ended up
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: with Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmonds. But I wanted them
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to just stand Pat, take Lamar and then just you know,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: get that use all of that bevy of pick value.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I'm in a similar so obviously I have my three
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: as well. I'm gonna go with one that kind of
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: ties into yours a bit, and I spoke on it
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: a little.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I just titled it who.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Can win the pressure battle and also mitigate the quarterback
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: run game. I mentioned a couple of those pieces in
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: terms of pressure rate for guys, but also the ratings
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: went under pressure. Josh Allen a QB rating of one
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen point two went under pressure this year,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: which is obviously very very good. Lamar Jackson a rating
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: of one hundred and one went under pressure this year,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: very very very good. Josh Allen first in EPA per
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: drop back at zero point five to nine. Lamar is
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: eleventh at zero point zero four. Alan his EPA per
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: rush is zero point seven to eight on seventeen attempts.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Mars is zero point three to two on thirty five attempts,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: so pretty much double. Allen has a seventy point six
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: success rate when running. Lamar has a sixty percent success rate,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: which is really great considering he has pretty much double
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the attempts with thirty five to seventeen. Add in the
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Design Run game for Baltimore, which you know all about,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just so filthy. And I really like
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the one two punch of Derrick Henry and then even
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Justice Hill, like his speedback there and what he adds.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking immediately back to the Cowboys game. I
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: think it's on the first drive and they run a
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: little qb GT counter bash Reid and Lamar gives it
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to Hill and he's just right around the edge. Defender
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: comes close to getting him and he's like, no, goodbye,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and he gets to that sideline, it scoots up and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Wilson clocks him, but it's like twenty something yards downfield
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: his speed, where Derrick Henry kind of needs that runway
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit. And then once he gets going, he's
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a runaway freight train.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Hill does not.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: He can go from zero to one hundred in the
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: blink of an eye. And how that design run game
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: pairs with and pairs with Henry and all of them
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: in conjunction with one another. And then what they're doing
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: from under center, what they're doing from gun, what they're
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: doing from pistol Lamar in terms of his scrambling, all
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: of that tying in together, and then again from a
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: pressure rate standpoint, what you can do to impact the pass.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Neither of these teams crushing it right now in terms
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: of pressure rate. The Bills are eighteenth in pressure rate
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: right now per next Gen Stats, with a rate of
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: thirty point eight. The Ravens are twenty second at twenty
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: eight point nine. So pretty similar in terms of pressure rate,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: but like you mentioned, the Ravens line a bit vulnerable
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: on that right side. What do you get from von
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Miller who loves to rush off the offense's right defense
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: is left so likes to do it as well. But
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: they've been flipping on more to the other side this year.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: What do you get from that edge production? How much
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: do you get from the interior with Daikwon Jones and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: at Oliver if you are the Bills and then on
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the flip side the Bills offensive line.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think they're a good group. Lewis Riddick Monday.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Night called them the best offensive line in football, which
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I think is a good way crazy high praise considering
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: you've got lines like the Eagles and the Lions that
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: are still out there working and several others as well.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: But this group, you.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Know, Dion Dawkins gets a contract extension this offseason, has
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: one of, if not the best snatch traps and all
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the football. David Edwards a very competent, solid left guard.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: McGovern moves the center. He's been solid. Torrance is in
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: his second year and still plugging along Spencer Brown, who
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you alluded to. Finally seems to be scratching some of
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that surface. But they're getting national recognition in a lot
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of ways for what they're doing in pass pro. They're
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: diversity in the run game. I think that's a huge
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: part of this offense. You have an offensive line that
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: can pass pro and then the run game can block zone,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: can block gap in a variety of fashions. You want
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to run all the tackle rap and tackle pole stuff cool.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: You want to run duo cool like they lean into
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: duo mid zone and all the tackle poll stuff, whether
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it's tackle rap like Dart or it's tackled long trap stuff,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: that all works for them so well. And that's a
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: testament to that line. But and this is going to
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: tie to one of my points later, Ravens got some
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: horses up front, especially with Justin Metabek, Like, what does
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: that look like with everybody kind of button heads on
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: both sides, who can control the trenches, who can try
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and make the other quarterback a little more one dimensional?
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: What's the pressure rate that we see, because again, neither defense,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: for as successful as the Bills have been this year,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: not crazy great numbers in terms of pressure rate and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: what they're doing on a snap to snap basis. And
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: again some of that is influenced by the volume they
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: get ahead that they've been ahead of so many teams
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: this year these first three weeks. So it's a ton
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: of passes, so the gamescript kind of changes things with
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: how much sample size there has been.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm really.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Interested to see who can control the line from a
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: pressure rate standpoint, and who can mitigate the legs of
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the other quarterback, whether it's scrambles, whether it's by design,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and try and again make one of these dudes. I
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: would say solo dimensional, but that's not a thing. Make
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: them one dimensional, which honestly isn't too crazy because Lamar
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: is also good from the pocket, just like Josh. But
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you just can't let these guys get it going with
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: their arm in their lakes because you'll die a really
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: fast and brutal.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Death, certainly. And one of the big questions I have
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: in that regard is we watched the Ravens come out
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: this past week against the Cowboys, who don't really have
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: a dynamic run game. They don't have a line that's
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: firing off the ball cohesively and in rhythm, and James
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Cook and Josh Allen in the run threat, and they
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: played Nate Wiggins on the outside, they kicked Marlon Humphrey
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: inside and had Kyle Hamilton play a little bit more
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: from depth. And against the Bills, I saw someone tweet this.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I love this about the Bills said, it's like the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Bill's built an entire group of pass catchers out of
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: slot receivers, which works so well, so well in today's NFL.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, who said that. That was a good one.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: It was somebody notable good like Stephen Ruiz or something
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good tweet.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it made so much sense. And you know, with that,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the Bills playing in rhythm and they've embraced their run
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: game and embraced Josh Allen's force multiplier in the run
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: game and being able to win underneath really well and quickly,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: and the gate pass rushing things like that. So my
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: question I just asked I was doing. We do a
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: weekly kind of midweek episode called the Jumbo Set where
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: we go between the two games Cowboys game and a
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Bill's game this week. So, who's gonna tackle Josh Allen?
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I mean he I think he is. We talked about
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: the sackavoids, but in the red zone, I mean, no one,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: no one can tackle, no one can tackle him.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: He's a mosse.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: He is a freak. He's the freakiest of the freaks.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: And you know, Lamar does it with you know, juking
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: and stuff. But Josh Allen can plow into the end
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: zone like in the red zone. It's a really big
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: issue when he plays better defenses, it's a big issue
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: for those defenses. There's not someone who can stop him.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: So it's like, okay, well Adafe alway, I don't think
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Solk is really going to beat up on him. They're
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: kind of the same size, always a little skinnier. Calvin
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Noi is quick, but he's older and not that quick
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: and is still smaller than Josh Allen. Justin Matdebique, Sure,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: but he can't catch him in a dead sprint. The
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: other guys are bigger. Rokwan Smith love him. Tiny guy
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: in comparison to Josh Allen. Simpson, Sure, I can put
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: him in that category, but I don't know. Just Trenton
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Simpson who played quarterback like Josh Allen.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I don't know.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: That's kind of first time you see you called him
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: a moose, first time you see the moose run in
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: freight train.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you do?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: So that there's Kyle Hamilton, I mean, sure, we haven't
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: seen those two kind of clash horns. Hamilton had a
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: nice day tackling but it's just a serious issue. You
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: can't get the guy down, whether it's in sack of
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: boys like we said, whether it's in the rung game.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: If he wants two yards, I have not seen him
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: fail to get those two yards very often, especially in space.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: So it's a big problem. I don't know how the
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Ravens are gonna deal with. Like I said, I would
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: imagine you have Hamilton play a lot more nickel and
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: take Nate Wiggins off the field and kick Marlin Humphrey
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: back out and see if you can get a bigger
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: body like Hamilton and Simpson and hope that Roquan Smith
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: and those three guys can kind of crown space. I
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: expect a lot of slot pressure to try and force
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen to his left because he's so lethal. When
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: he can he can just throw using his separation of
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: his upper body to the right. He can do it
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: to the left too, but to the right it's it's
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: a big deal. So I love that point, and yeah,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: it's I don't anyone who has to tackle Josh Allen,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: good good luck man on any team any day in
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: the NFL.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I love that point from you because it I juxtapose
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: it with Schematically, I think the Ravens with their personnel
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: match up well with what the Bills are. The Bills
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: have this eleven personnel grouping and twelve personnel grouping that
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: are kind of mirrors of one another, Like both groups
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: can go spread and be true spread, or they can
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: go condensed and they can mash you. And it's you
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: know this, like how do you match up with a
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: team like that? If you're a nickel defense? Do we
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: take the nickel out? Do we go base?
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Okay? Can our third linebacker cover?
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Are we you know, vulnerable in play action pass or
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: just in general against the past. The Ravens have just
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: natural built in answers to all these questions with their
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: safeties with Roquan with Simpson, like even with what they
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: can do with their corner spots. And so I looked
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: at that and I was like, oh, you know, the
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Ravens actually match up well because of what they can do, Like, Okay, cool,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you want to go twelve and go spread or condensed,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: we can match you. Oh now you want to go
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: eleven and do the same thing, Cool, we can match you.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: But then I was looking at the Allen part and
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, but then who matches up with
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen is like the plus one from a size
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and athleticism standpoint. Yeah, it's so it's so interesting to
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: see that's on the one hand, I'm like, oh, they're
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: a really good fit and really good matchup. And then
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: on the other hand, I'm.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, but then do the Bills have the trump card?
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Like I don't Yeah, I don't know.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: It's it's tough, man. It's got to be a group effort.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: You gotta get You have to figure out how to
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: get your defensive tackles to help you. I think in
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: many ways you have to try and force him back
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: where the big boys can come grab him, because no
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: one else is. I love Kyle Hamilton to death. I
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: think a lot of Ravens fans might be like, oh,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I don't know. I do not know.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: It's tough.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, and you talk about it too, like the
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: difference with the mar Like you're trying to tackle the
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: mar and he's gonna shake you, like pretty much it
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: so you're trying to break down and be like, Okay,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: don't get shooked, don't get shook. Allen has a little
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: wiggle but is more just like, yeah, a moose er.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: He Alan's like the quarterback version of Derrick Henry. And
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: then it's like, well, do.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: You feel like the Derrick Henry version of Derek Henry?
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: To be honest, I mean, what do you do?
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: And everybody know you're good and everybody's always talks about
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: it for years, Like with Henry, once he gets going,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, what do you do?
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: But Alan's in the kind of similar category.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: And for so many of like the Ravens DB's from
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: a corner perspective, that are on the smaller side a
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: little bit, and then the dudes that are bigger still
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: aren't really as big as Josh Allen, and then the
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: guys in the front that are bigger aren't as faster
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: as athletic.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a fun dynamic.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Even on the other side too, for the bills, like Okay,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: who's fast enough to stick with Lamar? And then if
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: you're fast enough, are you agile enough? Like what do
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: your feet look like? Because you can blaze after him,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: but he can stop on a diamond?
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Are you going? Are you getting thrown by? What does
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: that look like?
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: They just the quarterbacks present such a really interesting dynamic
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and then tying that into the Ravens offensive line and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: then even on the other side, the Bill's offensive line. Yeah,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: it's a really fun piece. And obviously, you know, again
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: everything revolves around the quarterback, so obviously we start with
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: points that kind of tie to the quarterback, which breaks
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: my heart as a defensive guy. But you know, it
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: is the way of the world unless they ban too, I.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Mean, especially when these two on the field.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: That's yeah, yeah, it's must And again this makes sense
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: for a primetime game. You got two MVP candidates to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: do the best of the spot, same draft class. Bill's
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: fans hate Lamark because he won an MVP last year
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: over guy that everyday thought Allan should have.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Man, so many storylines in this one. All right, So
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: we've each gone through our first point.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Unless you have anything else to add to wrap that up,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: where you good to go.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Somebody's gotta make a tackle, that's all that fair.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Somebody somebody tackles, and who's going to tackle.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Who's going to tackle the the elusive goose or the
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: big moose?
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's very was that planned? Or off off? Rip off?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Right off?
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: That's very good.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: You need to go with that like market it trade
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: market tweet it a whole march. I like that, and
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: you know it's funny too, like not even just to
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: they keep that conversation going.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: But I just feel like, I don't know if it's
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: because of.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Like two days don't happen anymore, or the lack of
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: added practice or contact like tackling. I just feel like
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: everybody talks about it every year, like it I feel
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: like tackling gets worse year after I disagree.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I think tackling is the best it's been in a
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: long time.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I think from a technique perspective, you get some really
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: nice stuff now, especially from a safety perspective and how
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: guys get through. But I feel like mistackle rates and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: broken tackles. You get dudes who are just like, when
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: it works, it's great. When it's not, it's ugly. You
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: got guys throwing shoulders and guys just coming in high
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: and it just seems like herky jerky, especially in the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: early part of the year. I'll say once like October
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and November, it gets around everybody's like, Okay, we've been
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: playing real football for a while. But I feel like
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: when the season starts, everybody's like, oh, man, we're not
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: in shells and shorts anymore. We don't remember how to tackle.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: And then as it goes through it gets a little better.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: But we will see, all right. Second point floor is yours.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Whatever you got have it?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Can somebody on the Ravens pass catching group. You're probably
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: gonna look mostly at Zay Flowers, Nelson agilorbshad Bateman. Can
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: somebody get over top? If somebody can get over top,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I think that I don't think the Ravens can win
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: this game if you get into a contest with the Bills.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: And the same question applies to the Bills as well.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Like we said, can they get Mvs's long leg stride?
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: They can they get somebody trucking downfield take the lid
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: off a little bit. But I don't think you can
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: play the same game the Bills want to play. The
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Bills want to play their nickel, want to play their
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: conservative kind of defense. With a good front, they can
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: get pressure and make you go the long way. Ravens
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: kind of do too. I think the Bills are better
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: at that game, and I think Josh Allen and Joe
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Brady's offense are very good at that game. Dereck Henry
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: just going through. I don't know it's dumb, but Derrick Henry,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: he's played the Bills a few times, five times. It's
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: only really hurt them once. When that Monday Night game,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: the Monday Night game, Henry had what like a seventy
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: six yarder thirteen yarder, scored three touchdowns in that game.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: But there was like two egregious holding penalties on that
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: play on that huge seventy yarder.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: But I don't want to polish holding. There's a take
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: for you. Let's just get rid of holding.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I can't take it anymore. That's time.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: But then then no roughing the passer anymore, and just
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: full on holding and full on violence every play.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Then then we'll just go back to it.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I can't deal with the whole. I can't deal with
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: the holding anymore. It's it's gotten. I'm getting old. I
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: think I'm just getting old. I just egregious. It needs
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: to be egregious on a run play. It needs to
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: be very egregious. It's a flag like let the big
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: guys in the run plays come on, let it. They're
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: all there's holding every play. It's every play somebody's grabbing
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: jersey twist and they've got a shoulder pad. But I digress.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: If you want to play the game that the Bills
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: are playing and don't generate any explosive pass plays, which
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the Bills limit very very well and have for a
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: long time, I don't think the Ravens can walk away
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: from this game victorious. You have to loosen that defense
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: up by hitting something over the top. The Ravens haven't
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: hit anything over the top yet so far this year. Really,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: they have not generated explosive pass plays on air yards
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: twenty thirty yards downfield has not been a thing. They
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: haven't really tried to. I don't I love Zay Flowers.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I love the separation he can create. I love his speed.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: He just isn't a really big guy. Yeah, he's not
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the biggest dude in the world, and sure Tyreek Kill
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: isn't either, But it's just.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: He's thicker than Zay those they is small and also
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: kind of.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Tyreek is just more rare overall, He's just more rare.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: He can run a ball down a little better than
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Zay Flowers. Ken Za Flowers can okay, But I mean,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Bills don't really let up blow. There's not a lot
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: of blowing coverages on the back end of the Buffalo Bills.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: There hasn't been in a long time. And McDermott's defense
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: and what their DC has been doing there for so long,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: So it's tough. And I have the same question for
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: the Bills, you know, if they've been able to generate
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: a few. But again, it's not really these deep shots
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: that Ravens haven't really let up any deep shots against
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs. Kyle Hamilton blew a coverage, Marlin Hoofrey just
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: sat there and let zavery Worthy run by. Sure if
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: they yeah, but haven't really seen that since you know,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the Cowboys weren't bombing the ball on him. The Raiders
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: were making some sideline toe tap things. But it's not
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: like these big back breaking plays that are forty fifty yards.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I don't Again, I just don't think the Ravens can
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: walk away from this game with a win if they
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: can't get the Bills defense to soften up a little bit.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: And I keep waiting for someone to attack the Bill's
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: safeties because neither Taylor rap nor DeMar Hamlin are Yeah,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: and I see your face there, neither of them are
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the most athletic or fleet of foot. But what they
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: are is a good fit for Sean mcdermists events because
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: they're responsible, they are where they are supposed to be.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: They take away routes well, they know where their landmarks are,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: especially in spot drop. But they communicate well. They understand
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: what their rules are for match coverage stuff. So they
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: all function really well with doing you know, everybody does
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: your one eleventh and you're a cognitive machine type of deal.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: But I keep waiting for two things. I keep waiting
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: for a team to stress the safeties because it's hard
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: to stress the corners. Christian Benford is tremendous, and I
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: think people are starting to kind of get that a
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: little bit. Even amongst Bills fans. There was allowed and
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: strong contingent this offseason and even through camp that was like,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I think Elam should rotate with Benford, and then Elam
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: had a great camp and it was like, maybe elim
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: is two because Douglas is the one. Benford has been
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: great to start the year. He's been the bills best
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: kept secret really since he started as a rookie coming
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: out of Nova. And then Rasul Douglas still playing at
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: a high level. They're both good, but the safeties for
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: as responsible as they are and as smart as they are,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: and as communicative as they are. Again, they are limited
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: a bit with their athleticism, so can they be attacked there?
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: And then I also wonder at some I keep waiting
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: for the other shoot a job with the linebackers. You're
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: missing Mammalano, you are missing Terrell Bernard. At some point,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: is someone going to take advantage of Dori and Williams
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: and BAlN spector are you going to force them to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: have to fit the run consistently? Are you going to
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: take advantage of them with misdirection or eye candy and
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: presentation with the pass game, whether it's play action or
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: motion or any type of deal.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: I thought Miami would do it a little bit once
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Bernard went out. They didn't.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville is just an absolute disjointed mess when it comes
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: to offensive football right now at this point. But I
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: look at the Bills who are without Taron Johnson. Their
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: entire second level is not their starters. Taron Johnson's out,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Matt Malonald's out to rel Bernard is out. We'll see
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: what happens with Bernard and Johnson going forward, But with
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: what the Ravens can do in the run and what
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: they can do with their tight ends and then recard
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: and how they can function in all that heavy world.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: I wonder how much they look to mash the Bills
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: defense a little bit and force them to bring a
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: third linebacker because the linebackers the depth is already being tested.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Do they try to test that further or put cam
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Lewis the backup nickel in hell by trying to make
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: him fit the run against the tight ends and recard
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: like regularly, and then if they can stress them at
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: the second level, I think that can lean to stressing
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: the safeties at the third and creating that opportunity to
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: kind of get over the top a little bit with
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: pure speed, like someone like Zay Flowers for instance. I
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: think it's a really good point and it ties into
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: just how like if I'm the Ravens, that's how I'm
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: attacking the Bills, Like, I am going to go heavy
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: early and stress the hell out of the second level
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: and then tie that in to open up the pass,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: especially if I can get if I can get you
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: walk a safety down, I'm just sending Zay Flowers on
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: a post all day. I don't care who the single
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: high safety is like, because I'm gonna hope that I'm
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: gonna have that inside leverage if the Bills are playing
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: cover one.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: I know I got that.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I think Zay can run away from one of the
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: outside guys and get over the top on that middle
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: of field close safety arm. You know, I'm running a
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yankee concept all day with the over in the post.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get someone to bite, someone, to run
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: away from someone, stress that second to third level connection.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for somebody to do it at some point.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Very very very well, said my friend.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I saw a comment here that said the Ravens have
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: allowed the most twenty plus yard plays NFL. That is true.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Ravens have only allowed one completion over thirty air yards
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: so far this year, one for six. So a lot
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: of it is over the linebackers before the safeties. Where
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: do teams need to attack the Bills over the linebackers
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: between the safeties. And again, I just don't think if
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: you play that game with the Bills, who've been playing
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: that game since Leslie Fraser was there, since Chel McDermott
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: took over, there a little more confident and I think
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: just they've been doing it for so long. It's so
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: consistent with McDermott. I think if you get into their game,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: which is kind of how the Ravens have been playing,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: and you can't get that shot in, I don't know
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: that you're gonna be able to out I don't think
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: you're gonna out build the Bills in that way.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Nice and again, that system, like you talked about, and
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: all the coaching continuity, it's the reason they seemingly year
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: after year kind of no matter who gets hurt, they're
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: just like, okay, cool, we'll just plug in our second
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: or third safety. Okay, we'll plug in our third or
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: fourth corner. And they're able to just kind of toe
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: the line at worst, but they're able to really mitigate
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: any vulnerabilities even when the death guys go in, because
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: their system is sound. The players they bring in, they
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: coach up the hell out of them, and they raise
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: floors and they raise ceilings, and you just see this
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: kind of rotating cast of okay, whatever, like just take
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: this guy off the street, plug him in, coach him
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: up for two weeks, he'll be fine. Yeah, and just
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: can you stress them in that area similar to the Ravens.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I like that point. I like that a lot.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: My second point, it's pretty straightforward, just the Bills mitigating
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens run game. Overall, that's an area that
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I'm hugely worried about, just with where the Bills are
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: is a defense, and again game script has affected this.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: Just from a sample sized perspective.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: The Bills get out ahead against Miami, then two is out.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: They're out in front immediately against Jacksonville, so you're not
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: seeing a ton of teams run against them.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: The Cardinals had a ton.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Of success in the first half of Week one against
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the Bills, especially with just pin and pull. Like basic
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: pin and pull, the Bills could not hold an edge.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: They were getting gouged and mashed left and right. But
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: they course corrected a little bit in the second half there,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: but all of that combining in these first three weeks,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the Bills defense has the seventh highest EPA per rush allowed.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Also relevant, they have the second highest EPA per rush
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: allowed when they have a light box. They have the
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: fifth most runs of ten or more yards allowed. They
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: are eighteenth in stuff percentage. They allow the tenth highest
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: yards before contact per carry, the thirteenth highest yards after
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: contact per carry, the third lowest rushing yards over expected allowed,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: which is nice. And then again game script, they have
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: the seventh lowest run percentage because just how these games
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: have played out, So you talk about the Bills run defense,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: it's been vulnerable a little bit. And then you look
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: at the Ravens run game. We touched on it a bit,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: but just some stats for folks in case you wanted
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: to quantify.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: The Ravens run game.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Second in EPA per rush, second in rushing EPA, third
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: in success rate at fifty percent, which is crazy impressive,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: especially along with the EPA with how much they run
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: the ball. Their fourth in total rush attempts, seventh in
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: run rate at fifty two point eight percent. They have
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: the fifth lowest stuff percentage and for those who don't know,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: stuff percentage is amount of runs they go for zero
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: or less yards. They are second in rushing yards per
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: game at two hundred and three point three. Again, that
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Cowboys game heavily affecting it. Green Bay is first at
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: two oh four, but the Eagles are third at one
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: sixty seven point three, So the Ravens and Packers are
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: in a class of their own. The Ravens are tied
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: for first in run of ten and runs of ten
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: or more yards. They're third in rushing yards over expected,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: They're first in rushing yards before contact per carry, they're
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: eleventh in yards after contact per carry, and all of
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: this tying into Lamar Jackson being eleventh and EPA per dropback.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: You gotta limit that run game. And I don't care
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: who it is, because it's everything. It could be Lamar
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: on design runs, it could be Lamar on scrambles and
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: off script. It could be Derrick Henry, it could be
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Justice Hill. So much of the Ravens success is tied
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: to that run game. And then what can they do
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: with play action or the read element, and what are
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: you accounting for and how? And then again like I
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: mentioned with your second point here, tying them into the Bills,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: who have been a little susceptible to some run woes
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: at times this year, and again you're just playing with
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: all backups at your second level. And cam Lewis has
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: performed admirably, Dorry Williams has been not a vulnerability like
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: he was last year, and Bale Inspector I think, has
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: been better than I thought he would be, especially from
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: a communication and play recognition standpoint pre snap. But some
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: of his fits still need work. He will be a
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: little late in his processing and diagnosing against the run.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: He has to come off blocks better consistently. I think
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: so much of this game is and again like it
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: is every week for the Ravens, like I think they
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: start just on an install days in the week of like, Okay,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: this up.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Next team we're playing.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Can we just mash the hell out of them and
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: win this game by doing that? I think that's a
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: fair question to ask with this Bill's defense, given how
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: they haven't been tested there where they've struggled a bit,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: and then how new they are at the second level.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: I think this also ties into your first point where
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you talk about the Bills defensive line against the Ravens
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: O line. Ravens O line good run blocking unit, you
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: tie in with scheme and structure, a little more vulnerable
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: in the pass if they can lean into the run. Obviously,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: you limit the true drop back scenarios, You limit the
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: vulnerability you have with your O line play on that
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: front foot. I think that's obviously such a hugely important
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: piece given who the Ravens are and who the Bills
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: might be.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Defensively, certainly, and it was just running through some numbers,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: the Bills on plays that have a puller have allowed
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: four point nine yards per carry. Against zone concepts, they
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: have allowed two point eight yards per carry with a
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: twenty six percent stuff rate, the second best in the NFL.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: On place to the outside outside the tackle, off the tackle,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: C and D gap Bill has been really solid too.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: So Derreck Henry we talked about, the Bills have really
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: only had trouble with him once. Part of that was
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: on a very very long run, one long run, which hey,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: if you can get Derek Henry in one run, long
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: run a lot of times, that'll do some damage and
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: help your cause. So it looks like the Bills definitely
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: have been a little more susceptible. A lot of that
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: was probably the Cardinals, like you mentioned, I imagine you
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: do run a lot of man gap concepts, counter and
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: pull guys and option all of those things.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: And who are a good offense.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: And I think people are starting to realize that a
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: little bit with how they performed to start this year. Yeah,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: they they gave the Bills defense fits in that really
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: the first two and a half quarters.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: They certainly did so. Yeah, specifically look in the Ravens
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: gap game, running the bashes, running the counters, running those
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: kind of things those linebackers mentioned. I don't know how
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Sean mcdermick does it. You mentioned I think one of
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the most run underrated linebackers, especially in coverage in the NFL,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: and he's even out as well. So, man, how are
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: they getting that in that level play? Something we have
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: seen the Bills typically do is scrape exchange in option
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: run stuff. They typically have the defensive end or the
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: redefender crash and try and get one of those linebackers
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: to scrape over top for the quarterback. So can those
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: linebackers go make those plays? That'll be a big deal there.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: And man, Bills have been tough against zone. I did
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: not realize. I haven't haven't watched a ton of their
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: defense under that lens yet, but man, I think it
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: was one point eight yards per carry against zone.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but again to sample size, like affected like they're
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: they got the seventh lowest run percentage against them.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: They're not seeing it a ton.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: But to your point, like I, if I'm the Ravens,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I am what I mentioned earlier, like I'm throwing you know,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: QB bash GT counter regularly or whether it's like attaching
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the red element to it. I am stressing the bills
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: with any level of gap that I can, or I'm
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: really trying to create vertical display if I can, which
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: is tough inside because Daikwon Jones is a horse, but
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: you can displace at Oliver from time to time. What
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: makes it so hard to run against on the outside.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Greg Russo one of the best run defensive run defending
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: defensive lineman in football.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Not just edges. He almost shuts off a side by himself.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: And then because of that length.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Reminds me a little bit of trel Sugs to be
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: a little two on the nose. But and then the
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: run game, he's good against screens too.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Yes, and just he's smart.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: He's got the length and for a dud who doesn't
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: have the best change of direction, he has enough of it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: And he's so sound with his run fits like he
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: can just long arm a tackle and just sit in
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: that outside gap and if you cut it back inside,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: he'll just reach that big paw back inside and then
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: he'll just grab you and he.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: Can cover it. He can.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: He can even when he's one gapping, he can still
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: cover two gaps because the length is there. The stride
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: is there, he almost shuts off a side, so he
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: makes it hard to run on that outside. Aj Panessa
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: has been better in terms of setting an edge and
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: von Miller and underrated aspect of his game this year.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: He was one of the few guys in that Arizona
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: game when Arizona was getting the pin and poll working early.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: He shut it off in that first half a little bit.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: He just didn't have a ton of run defense snaps.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: He was getting up field. He was meeting the first
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: polar gumming up the works a little bit. And so
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: to your point, Yeah, if I am the Ravens, I'm
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: throwing some jet motion and some orbit stuff, and I
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: am making you have to make your eyes go left
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: to right and right to left. And as you're doing that,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: I'm creating some mesh point between Lamar and Derrick Henry
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: or Justice Hill, and I'm making you have to read
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: two or three things in the blink of an eye
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: while hopefully one of my offensive linemen is you know,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: creating displacement on a double team. And then while your
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: linebackers are trying to process, they're kind of sitting there,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: so we're staying on that double team. Then they trigger,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: we're climbing to the second level and we're gashing you
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: like that. I really look for a lot of gap
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: scheme stuff in this game because of just what the
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Bills have been, how they've succeeded, and then how the
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Ravens kind of operate.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: I really think it could work for him.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: It's a great, great point. And somebody tweeted at me
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: earlier today, buddy of mine, and he said he was
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: listening to Daniel Wilcox from a Ravens Tight Ends podcast,
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: and he said, you get about sixty snaps a game
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: on offense. Twenty of them are going to Henry. Ten
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: of them are designed runs for Lamar. Probably five to
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: ten of those are going to be a broken play
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: where Lamar tries to scramble drill, same thing with Josh Allen.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Five or so are probably going to be design touches
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: to Justice Hill, maybe a little more, maybe a little less,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: and that's gonna Zay Flowers probably gonna get five to
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: seven targets. So if that is the way you want
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: to go, I think you are making a mistake by
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: not using Isaiah likely right now, who is the best
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: yards after the catch guy you have and I guess
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: this will just really be my third point. Can you
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: get Isaiah Likely the football in this game? And you
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: mentioned Taylor Rapp and Damar Hamlin, who are smart, they
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: have played well, consistent, They're doing their job, They're doing
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: their designment. I don't think those guys can tackle Isaiah
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Likely in space. I think he is a mismatch if
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: you can get him down on them, especially Jamar Hamlin,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: who's not the biggest guy on Earth, and Taylor rap
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: he's a little bigger. He's he's used to bodying around
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: with the tight ends. But can you get Isaiah Likely
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: in space if you only have some and the comment
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Mark Andrews lack of fantasy production, everybody's looking at him
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: right now. Charlie Colar played a lot in this one.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Patrick Card played a lot in this one. Like I said,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Cowboys can't stop a nosebleed in the run game. So
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I think that's why those guys aren't getting targets. The
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Bills can stop the run, they can stuff the run.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: They are doing it. They have done it, They've done
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: it for a long time. So I'm looking to Isaiah
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Likely is a guy that needs to be part of
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: those sixty plays needs to have five, six, seven touches.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: He is so good after the catch. He is so strong.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: He will move the chains and create explosive plays for you.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: He has a big catch radius, he can run and
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: track the ball. So I'm really looking at can Isaiah
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: likely be a difference maker? I guess is my kind
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: of third point here. Can the Bills taking away? Are
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: the Ravens going to use him in a way that
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: would make sense considering the matchups, considering that the Bills
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: can do in the run game. I'm kind of just
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: looking at him and those Bills safeties and linebackers. Is
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: a key matchup because he has been sensational over the
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: last about calendar year since Mark Andrews broke his leg,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: especially after the catchup you can get him the ball
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: in space.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I like that point a lot, and I think that
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: also ties into, you know, obviously the play action game
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: and tight ends and tie into the run game and
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: formations and personnel and alignment and all that kind of stuff.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: The Bills, for as much as they've been like a
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: team over year of the years, it's like mistackles and
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: broken tackles, or they'll give up some chunk plays. They're
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: usually good in stuff percentage or creating negative plays, like
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: they'll give up, you know, a couple first down carries
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: for eight or six yards, but then like the next
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: first down you run it and they'll stop you for
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: like a loss of three, and then it's second and thirteen.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: But with that aggression.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Comes the ability to kind of get misled a little
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: bit with the play action game and with your younger linebackers. Yeah,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: like I look for or likely Andrews, but you know
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: you mentioned that athleticism piece of likely. Yeah, can he
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: stress the middle of the field? Can he stress that
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: linebacker to safety connection? How do you choose to match
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: up with him? Like, I don't think and this isn't
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: a knock against rap or Hamlin, neither of them or
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: the athlete that likely is. And then I think Dorny
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: and Williams can match him from an athleticism standpoint, but
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's there from a process and recognition standpoint.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: So can you get on top of him a little
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: bit and cause him to just peek in the backfield
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit and then likely he's running past him?
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I like that element a lot. And again it ties
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: into if I'm the Ravens again, like I'm looking for
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: a heavy tight end target game. I'm trying to attack
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: the middle of the field, especially in like the high
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: underneath to low intermediate, Like I'm looking for completions from
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: like eight to fourteen yards and like in between the numbers,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: and that's where I'm peppering. That's where i am attacking.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: And then obviously Tynan like, do some play action, do
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: some boots, get some slide routes, get it out to
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: likely earlier with that whatever the hell you want to do,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: try and mislead with those eyes.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: I like that point. I like that point a lot.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Do you think with with what the Ravens have a
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: wide receiver versus what they have at tight end, and
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: then with what the Bills have a corner, do you
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: see this as a game where the Ravens almost kind
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: of like you can't obviously shut willingly voluntarily shut off
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: an area of the field to yourself. But do you
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: see it as a point where they're like, screw it,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: We're not going to go outside the numbers because that's
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: where the Bills coverage strength is, and we're just going
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: to try and hammer them and attack the middle attack
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: between the numbers and just put the linebackers in safeties
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: and help.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: I think that it just depends on what looks the
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Bills throughout them. I don't think they're necessarily going to
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: back away from from the player perspective of it. But
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: if their Bills are playing a lot of outside leverage,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: no I don't. I don't think they're going to try
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: and get into a blind spot and work back to
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: the outside and do all that against this pass rush specifically,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: I expect if the Ravens win this game, it's not
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: going to be without using a large percentage of play
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: action and throwing the ball over the middle of the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: football field and working those linebackers. Like you said, of
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: that secondary and of the Bills structure in general, you know,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: they are designed to not get the ball thrown over
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: their heads. So I you know, there's take what the
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: defense gives you, there's try to bait something, there's you know,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: forcing it, all of those different things. And like we mentioned,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know that the Ravens will be able.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Maybe they can play a similar game. You know, it's
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: it's Khalil Shakir and the tight ends on the Bills
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: that are catching a lot of underneath a lot of motion.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: James Cooks such a big factor out of the backfield
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: and what they do in the past game. But again,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: I just don't know, especially outside the numbers. You nailed it.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: If I'm trying to do something deep, I'm trying to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: run between those safeties, yeah, and have a receiver run
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: under the ball, put too much air on it and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: miss over the top instead of, you know, letting the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: safeties not have to run all the way. So yeah,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: I think it's kind of attacking the flats a little
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: more with the backs with hill with likely those but
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know that it's the receivers trying to work
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: the intermediate deep area of the field. So the Bills
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: are known for trying to bait those throws, those honeyhole throws.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: I love to try to bait them. Rasull Douglas has
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: made so many of those plays baiting those throws, running
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: back underneath of it undera Yeah exactly. So I if
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: you want to take the cheese, you're probably going to
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: pay the price, especially against for Seul Douglas, who's just
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: become a bandit doing those kinds of plays. Good call.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: Oh, I like bandit. That's a good one too. You're
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: nailing these ones tonight.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: It's funny too with like especially the whole two high
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: conversation now and the Bills have been at that for
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: so long, Like you can attack those with like a
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: good speedy receiver who can run a post. The issue
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: is that's a downfield route a little longer developing. You
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: need to pass protect for that, So like, can the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Evens hold up long enough in pass protection to be
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: able to hit that kind of post and take advantage
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: of their speed and the lack of athleticism and speed
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: for the safety group or does it have to be
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: on play action only?
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: And then you know you you mentioned this.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: In kind of a one liner earlier, then you're tying
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: that into Okay, well, how many dudes are we keeping
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: into pass protect versus how many guys are we getting
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: out into the route distribution. The Bills aren't a heavy
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: blitzing team anyway, they really they'll throw out some five
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: man pressures here and there, but when they're blitzing, it's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: really just a sim or a creeper, which is still
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: only a four man rush. So they're really keeping numbers
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: and coverage all the time. So if you're keeping in
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: a sixth or a seventh and you're only sending out
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: three into the route distribution, you're going three versus seven regularly,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: and then how are you tying that together? Are you
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: just you're basically running flood concepts or sale as much
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: as you can, because if you're just going three verse seven,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: you're out numbered.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Where do we just say you didn't want to throw
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: the ball outside the numbers? There you go, didn't We
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: didn't want to throw those smashes and those sail routes
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: because that's where those corners live and trying to bait
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: it and they'll live with the eleven yard game and
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: hoping everybody goes and tackles if you know, they try
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: to sniff something out. So it's a tough one. And man,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: I mean kind of just talking about to your original
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: point now that we talk to this game, it's just
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: like it just feels like it's gonna be a lot
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: of Lamar running around and a lot of Josh Allen
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: running around and who can run around a little faster,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: a little longer and make a couple more plays in
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. What happened last time these teams played
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen was scampering around the Patrick Queen tried to
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: go catch him down the sideline and a big play
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: late in the fourth quarter, and we talked about who
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: can tackle man, And it's just I feel like I'm
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: watching the same I'm talking about the same thing again,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: and I don't know that this game looks terribly dissimilar
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: from that game.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: I take that though prime time, like give me give
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: me Alan and Lamar just playing backyard football and doing
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: crazy Unicorn stuff, like give me Lamar shaking dudes and
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: being the most electric dude on the field, and give
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: me Allen being like an alien Unicorn movie and just
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: running through dudes and hurtling, Like, give me all the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: chaos and the navigation of that.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: I like that element. That's very good.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: My last point, I kept it pretty pretty not generic,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: but I cast like a wide net focusing on the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Bills offense versus the Ravens defense. So and it's part
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: of the reason why you know, I asked you about
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Zach Orr and this defense commatically versus what they were
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: last year. So I titled it scheme versus Talent, the
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Bills offense versus the Ravens defense, and with how it's
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: played out these first three weeks. Again Bill's offense versus
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Ravens defense. I think the Bills have the scheme advantage
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: with their offense versus the Ravens defense. The Bills with
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: all the motion, with all the play action, they are
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: sitting there right now for.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Rh rhythm of all of it, firing off the ball,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: the receivers knowing where to go in soft spots with
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: intention there.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: They're just cruising and crushing. Josh Allen is playing within
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: the scheme. Joe Brady is giving him easy buttons. They're
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: first in EPA per play when using motion at zero
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: point three thre for reference, the Cardinals and Saints are
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: second at zero point one to three, so a pretty
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: large discrepancy. And then the Bills are first in EPA
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: per play on play action at zero point nine to eight,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: so almost a full point added.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: Per pass when they go play action.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: And what they've been able to do schematically, and Allen's
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: taking it like he's hitting the underneath.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: He's taken the free profit. All this stuff.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: The Bills are cooking schematically within the run game, within
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: the past game, how they're marrying both tying things and
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: together pre snap coverage, identicator indicators.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: All that kind of stuff.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: But and I don't mean this disrespectfully to the Bills.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I think the Ravens defense has the better talent and
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: just starting, you know, just a Metabique ropewand Smith, Kyle Hamilton.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: I think all three of those dudes are in the
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: conversation for best like best player at their respective positions.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: Like if you're thinking, you know, what are the.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Best kind of like defensive tackles or defensive lineman, most
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: the best linebacker, who's the best safety? All three of
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: those guys are like in the rolodecks that people are
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: gonna rattle off in their mind for kind of deciding
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: who's the best. I personally think highly of a Dafeoway
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: and Travis Jones.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: I know Travias Jones has been unbelievable.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: So far this year, just right off rip against Kansas
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: City Knockbacks and just creating displacement and playing in the backfield.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: I'm so happy to see him succeed. I loved his tape.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: It was absolute darling of draft Twitter.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, and he was one of the few like darlings
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: that is actually kind of panned out Like usually that
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: guy that's like everyone's dark horse never works out.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: And he has and it's been awesome to see.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I think they have three legit top tier dudes and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: then a good cast or a good supporting cast of
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: B minus to like B plus or A minus guys.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: So I think they have more talent than the Bill's offense.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: But I think the Bill's offense is humming more schematically,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: pushing the right buttons, pulling the right levers. So what
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: gives in that matchup? Does the bill scheme overrun the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Ravens talent or vice versa? Does Ravens talent overcome the
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Bill's scheme? And then within that at which side can
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: kind of step up in the area they're somewhat deficient
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: in versus the other. Do we see some Bills players
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: step up and kind of win the one on ones
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: and go out and get a bucket? Do we see
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: the Ravens start to find some more of their schematic
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: self from last year and kind of settle into who
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: they are this year, and then even just tying into
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: what the Bills are. So I mentioned what the Bills
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: are with you know, play action and motion. The Ravens
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: defense tenth lowest EPA per pass allowed on play action
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: and eleventh lowest EPA per play on plays with motion.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: So they've kept teams in check when they go play
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: action and when they use motion. And then tying into
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: your you know something you mentioned earlier with coverages and
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: everything guy everything, guys like to run. The Ravens just
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: throwing out a lot of stuff. A twenty four percent
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Cover one usage rate, a twenty two percent Cover three
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: usage rate, a twenty six percent Cover four usage rate,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: and a sixteen percent Cover six usage rate, So doing
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: a good job of mixing in single high, mixing too high.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: And then you know you talked about it disguising when
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: they're gonna spin, how they're gonna spin at the last minute.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: They they're so coverage diverse. They have the athleticism and
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: the talent to do that similar to the Bills, just
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: not necessarily with that athleticism, but you're gonna see a
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: lot on both sides of the ball with that spinning, safeties, late,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: disguising looks, getting to coverages creatively. You know, the Ravens
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: were one of those teams last year before it was
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: really cool that would like get to Tampa two in
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: fun ways, and you know, this guy is in the slop.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 3: I guess what, he's the pole runner. And you didn't
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: think that. Now, everybody and their mother's kind of doing it.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: The Bills do it a bunch now, and all these
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: non traditional Tampa two looks. But I really look on
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: that side of the ball of just the Bills, I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: think I don't think they have an abundance of talent.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think you look at them on paper and
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: you're like, wow, like, look at all these names, but
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: everything's clicking and humming. The Ravens aren't necessarily clicking and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: humming yet. But I think they're a group that when
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: you look at that depth charter, you look at that
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: defensive your roster, you're like, oh, he's really good.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: He's really good. He's really good. He's pretty good. He's
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: pretty good.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: And then you're like, uh oh, like how do we
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: back at how do those two things kind of mash
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: and meet at the head.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: I think that's a really important one certainly. And again
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: then the kicker is the legs of Josh Allen and
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: the shoulders of Josh Allen. So it's a big part.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: And Bill's going on the road. I've I've been down
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: to a Dolphins game for a Thursday night game in Miami.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of Ravens fans there. I know how
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: the Bills travel. I'm sure there was a lot of
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: Bills there. I'm absolutely sure it was a takeover in
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: South Beach is every year from what I've heard for
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: for that Bills fan base. So on the road at night,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: prime time loud, this offense has been humming. I'm very impressed.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: I think the two offenses I've seen so far, even
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: even against that tough loss against the Eagles, the Saints
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: and the Saints and the Bills have been the two
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: offenses that are the most on the ball ready. Their
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: offensive line is a unit, it's a five man unit.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Their receivers have in tension behind every route they run.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: Their backs are playing with confidence. So those are the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: two teams of Bills and Saints have stuck out to
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: me in terms of cohesion and tempo and rhythm. So
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: will you know? Another question? Will will playing on the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: road in a loud place, will it look that good?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I've seen it look good before. Like I said, the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Bills have already come here. It was decently loud, and
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: we're able to come back against the Ravens, who have
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: blown a lot of fourth quarter leads at home here,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: So you know, the big issue, can you can you
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: make Josh if you get a lead against Josh Allen, which, hey,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: maybe you don't. Maybe the Bills play from in front,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: maybe there's a turnover this, that or the other. But
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: if the Ravens can get a lead, you've already experienced
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: this death once from from Josh Allen. And you mentioned
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: I think such a good way of putting a scheme
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: versus talent, But then the talent is Josh Allen, and
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen is the most talented player on that side
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: of the field of anyone. So uh, that's that's the
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: kicker for you. And again that's that's that's what makes
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: it an exciting matchup before you go.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: One last question for you, how how much as a
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: person who covers this team, a fan of this team,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: and then even maybe from that the Ravens.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: Perspective, how much does does this game mean to them?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Like do are they sitting here being like, you know,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: we gotta go, we gotta get to five hundred, We
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: want to beat another power in the AFC. They've beaten
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: us the last couple of times they came into our
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: place a couple of years ago in the rain, and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe we felt like we let that one
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: slip through our fingertips, especially with how the game went.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: How important do the rate how important is this game
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: to the Ravens or how important do you think it
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: is to the Ravens? And then for you, how important
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: do you think it is if the Ravens are you
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: know if they lose this game, or you like uh oh,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: or are you like, hey, it's fine.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: The Ravens have struggled with themselves over the last couple
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: of years, very much so as opposed to their opponent.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: They tend to lose games by committing more penalties, having
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: more random turnovers, by punting balls twenty four yards against
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: the Raiders, missing kicks, doing getting into strange timeout challenge
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: situations in the game.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: Any way that they can hurt themselves. They like.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: It's very Bills esque from the drought era, where like,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: if you can find a way to lose and hurt yourself,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: the Bills would do it, and the Ravens have like,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: if yeh, they've been snake bit in that way, good.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Call, especially especially at home. It's been a big issue
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: in home games. The Ravens have blown more home games
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: in the last I think two years than they did
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: in the previous twenty having a lead in the fourth quarter,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: so it's been a big issue. So I think that
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: especially speaking for the quarterback, Lamar Jackson is concerned about
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: the function of his offense much more than his opponent
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form. I think that Rokwan
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: Smith is very similar. Those are definitely the leaders on
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: each side of the football. They don't care if they
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: let up a big play if it was fundamentally sound
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: and then it was within their technique and their assignment.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: They have played a lot of games against a lot
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: of good teams. They have lost some, they've won some,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: they have blown some leads. They've come back a few times.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: So it's Sunday night, so they're gonna be fired up.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: I think playing against josh Al Lamar Jackson makes that
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: very special in terms of entertainment value, even for the players. Said,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: if it turns into backyard football, everyone in the world's happy.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: If it's if it's you know, Lamar Lamar running around
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: making somebody miss and then you know, making a play
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: to a tight end. And then it's Josh Allen running
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: somebody over in the red zone and flexing into the
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: end zone, and you know, the offensive line's picking them
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: up and all that good stuff. That's that's the players
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: know about that too, especially when it's primetime football. So
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: I think that to the second part of it, being
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: one and three to the Ravens, I thought, oh and
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: three was gonna be really really, really really bad if
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: it were to happen, because they hadn't won a game,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: really and it can compound and all of a sudden,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: you're own four or something and it's like, oh my gosh,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: you got the Bills coming to town. Two. Getting that
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: first one out of the way, I think relieved a
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: lot of stress. We've seen the Ravens reel off nine
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: games in twenty nineteen. They reel off twelve straight wins
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: last year. They go on a serious run at the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: end of the year. They hang fifty on the Dolphins,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: they beat up on the forty nine Ers, they crushed
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: the Lions, they crushed the Seahawks. They lose to the Steelers,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: resting their starters in the final week, and then they
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: beat up on the Texans. They played a really good
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: stretch of football for a long time. So if the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Bills win this game, which I think is certainly possible,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: I think anyone who says otherwise is nuts. Very good quarterback,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: very good team on both both sides here. So that's
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: why it's it's the spread will not be very high.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it's okay. It's all right. You know,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: the Steelers three and oh leading their division. The Bengals
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: are row and three, the Browns are of whatever the
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: heck is going on Steelers.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not buying that. Steelers three and oh.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: And I know how there's will always be bad teams.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: They will always struggle to be really good quarterbacks.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: I like that. I like that they were always out coach.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Bad, poorly coached teams. Mike Tummin will always have them
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: more discipline, if it's low scoring, they will always win.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: They will always win eight, nine, ten games. They will
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: always beat up on bad teams.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: It's like the circle of life. It's just what they
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: always are.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: Yet and I feel like, yeah, every year, it's like
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: the Steelers are three and oh, and then like four
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: weeks later it's like, well, now they're three and four,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: and then like four weeks later, it's like now they're
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: seven and four, and it's just like we're just gonna
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: do this dance every year. They're going to be a
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: wild card. They're probably not going to make too much noise.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: We'll kind of see what they can be. Yeah, Like
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: it's I'm interested in obviously interested in this game, but
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: just with with where it can go either way. If
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: the Bills win this, they're four and zero, they beat
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: another quality opponent, and it just kind of furthers the
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen MVP conversation and what the Bills have done
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: defensively with you know, so many important and good players
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: who are injured. And on the other side of it,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: if the Ravens win this game, just they're all of
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: a sudden two and two. They come back to life
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: in that larger AFC conversation and then again down to
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: bring it back. But like that MVP talking conversation, I
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: think for the misthrows that Lamar had to end the
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: game against Kansas City, which one was kind of blown
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: out of proportion a little bit for me, but regardless,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: he really put the offense on his back against Kansas City,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: and if he has another similar performance like this and
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: the and the Ravens win, and then it's like ooh,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: like is that MVP conversation happening? And then yeah, does
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: this spark the Ravens? You know, they were zero in
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: two and one and two and then are we blinking
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: and opening our eyes and all of a sudden they're
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: eight and two And this is the kind of game
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: that sparks them and sends them on one of those
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: runs that they've been able to have, you know, when
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: they're healthy.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just I think it's a good football game, a
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: good schematic matchup. You got two fun quarterbacks, you got
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: two coaches that have seen a lot and done a lot,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: and who also have the Andy Reid connection and connection
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: to one another.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah I am. I am very excited for this game.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Anything else, you got the whole ster that you want
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: to fire off before we say goodbye?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: Very just very curious to what James cook does in
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: this game. I think he's electric. I think he's probably
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: one of the most effective running backs in the NFL
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: right now. I think a lot of people are going
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: to talk about Dereck Henry, but James Cook man really good,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: really dynamic pass catcher, and like I said, you know,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: I love close Shakiri's one of my one of my guys,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: has been one of my guy for a while. I
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: have him been all I've been three Fantasy leagues. I've
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: been all three Fantasy leagues. I would I was drafting
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: him so early. I don't even want to say it,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: but I love, love, love these gritty players. I love
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: that they got rid of Sean Dix. I love that
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: the Bills got rid of Saan Diggs. I think it's
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: going to be a great thing for them to grow.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: And I think this is a big game on the
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: road against the defense that you know should should have
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: for some growth. And I think your question you said
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: was great. Who's gonna step up? Make some go get
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: some buckets? Is James Cook going to get some buckets?
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: Trying to get him out, trying to get him running
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: some rail route, trying to get him run some angles,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: things like that. Very curious to see what James Cook
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: does in this game. For again, I think we're gonna
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: when you tune in for prime Time and they're doing
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: their crazy intro and it's in Derrick Henry's living room
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: or whatever the heck, don't don't forget about James Cook,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: and I want to see what the Ravens can do
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: against the back that is definitely the most dynamic pass
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: catcher that they have played this far. And I think
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: that's a sneaky little thing that could end up winning
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: this Bills this winning the Bills this game.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: If I like that.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Brady, going back to his time at LSU, he's been
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: so adept at getting the running backs involved in the
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: past game. He did it at LSU, even a hinge
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: short stint in Carolina and somebody like, well, yeah, Christian McCaffrey,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: also Mike Davis getting him involved, and then him doing
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: it here with Cook, with Ty Johnson, he's doing it
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: by design. You are going to see if they can
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: get Cook on a rail route against man coverage. They
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: will set it up, they will hit it their out,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: their single receiver to that side is going to run
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: his route at a very good depth and hit his
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: landmark to run interference. You're going to see that open up.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: You'll see you know, running back mess traffic in the
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: low red zone or you know his slither Joe Brady
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: calls it. Yeah, They're they're very adept to getting the
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: backs involved in it. Again with the dynamic ability of Cook,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: although Bill fans still don't like that he drops balls
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: like he did in this game.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Dynamic pass catchers after the catch drop a lot of passes.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: That's fair. But yeah he runs.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: If you slow down, you're not getting them yards after
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: the catch. That's fair.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah he got man. Yeah he got raked over the coals.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: I was the staunch kind of defender of his in
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: terms like the volume and when the drops have been
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: making it seem worse than it was. But yeah, he
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: got raked over the coals and him having that drop
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: O man, if he had dropp against but he's good
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: to go.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: He's good.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: But if it happens in high leverage, people are gonna
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: ge their torches and pitchforks. Ready, I wanted to pull
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't know if you saw this earlier, but I
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: want to grab this awesome comment from Jason who said,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: awesome guests, love how detailed the conversation has been. You
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: don't see this kind of depth of conversation many places,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: and I wanted to pull that up as kind of
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: the beginning of my thank you to you for joining
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: me on this show. I enjoy every time you come
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: around anytime the Bills play the Ravens. I always just
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: assume you're going to be able to join me, but
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: I made sure to DM a couple of weeks out
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: this time to make sure we could lock it in.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: You are one of the.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Best follows on Twitter just for football stuff in general,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: but especially for Ravens stuff. I just genuinely enjoy you
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: as a person, your content, and then every time you
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: come a year, the conversation is awesome. I had a blast.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: This was a really good time. So I wanted to
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: pull that conversation or that comment there from Jason and
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: in case people don't know who you are, what you do,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: where they can find you all that kind of stuff.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Flora is yours, plug yourself, anything and everything you got,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: whatever sure thing.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: You can follow me on Twitter at Ravens for Dummies,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: fifty two podcasts, former NFL Scout Online digital with Sports
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Info Solutions, worked at PFF for a little while. I
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: love football a long time, so feel free to come
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: and follow me. My predictions here, I'll say for this game,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: I'll leave you guys with this as of now, before
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: the injury reports, things like that. I think the two
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: things we talked about the rhythm of the Bills offense
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: and how well orchestrated it are, and how well their
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: defense plays as well. Right now, I think when you
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: ask me what is this Ravens team, I set at
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: work in progress. I think the Bills are a couple
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: steps ahead right now in terms of who they are
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: what they want to be, so I do as things stand,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: I think the Bills take this game in Baltimore. I
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: live in Baltimore City. I go to every Ravens game.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: If you ever find yourself in Baltimore and want to
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: know where to go, please feel free to dm me
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: on Twitter. I am always trying to spread the good word.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: Baltimore's a fun town. Fell's Point has a bar if
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: you are heading down here called Admiral's Cup That is
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: a Bills bar that a lot of folks typically go
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: to when the Bills come to town on Saturday Night's
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: a really fun bar, one hundred and fifty years old,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: right on the water and Fell's Point, which is a
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: nice areas. If you're ever visiting, feel free to dm me.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: I have some lists of things that they'll send to
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: people on Twitter that help them around the city, And
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: with that in mind, I'm gonna say that I think
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: the Bills take this one. I think the Ravens had
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: to Buffalo in the playoffs this year in the divisional round.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: That is my board perdicty round two in the divisional round.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: Man, I'm already I can't look that far forward.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: I refuse to, like the superstitious person and me refuses
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: to look far to like to I can't even look
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: towards like Week five, let alone like playoffs.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: But I like that. I think that's a very fair Bill.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: I think the Ravens head of the Buffalo this year
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: in the divisional round. That'll be my prediction all of
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: you guys.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: I'm waiting for everybody to kind of find their footing
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: a bit in the AFC, and if they do, it's
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: just such a dog fight in the AFC.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Can't wait to see the Bills Texans following week.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I'm excited for this three game stretch for
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: the Bills, not even just from a Bill's perspective, from
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: a football perspective, Bill's.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: Ravens, Bills, Texans, Bill's Jets.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: All three of those on the road for the Bills,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: just kind of testing your metal further. If you're the
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Bills team, but then also kind of we get some
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: movement and shaken a little bit with the AFC, and
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: even though again it's early, start to maybe see some
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: seating and things playing out a little bit again.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: Folks, you heard it here. If you are going to.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: Baltimore to attend this game, hit up Spence at Ravens
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: for Dummies on Twitter. That was very kind of you
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, b be a source of
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: information or it could be a trap in a setup
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna give people horrible information and send them
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: to like where they film the Wire and just everyone's
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, oh my god, like where are we.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: Where's this? Where's this one hundred and fifty year old bar.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: They're gonna look out and be like, oh no, this
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: is where like Chris and Snoop put all those bodies.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: Where do we do it?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: If you haven't watch the wire, you have to. You
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: have to, absolutely, you absolutely have to.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: I wish you.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I wish it was that. I wish you would be like, yeah,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: you know, go here, do this, do the ahead. And
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: people are just getting out and there's like no lights
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: and everything's abandoned.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: They're like what the hell?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, I wish it was a giant troll job
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: that would be great, but you crushed it pretty much
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: everything I said here.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna end up dming you after to thank you again,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: because yeah, I appreciate your time. You crushed it. You
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: were awesome.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your Tuesday night, enjoy the game
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: on Sunday, and enjoy your Baltimore Oriols in the playoffs.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Anybody but the Yankees.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: I wish you the best.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: Anybody but the Yankees. Oil has been five to three.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: Shut down the Yankees.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: There you go, take it.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: Oil's just slinch, a playoff birth, I believe, so we
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: enjoy it.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: Enjoy it awesome.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, an I appreciate you. I'll talk
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: to you, my friend, and looking forward to a fun
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: prime time game. You guys are on back to back one.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: It's going to be. Will be a sleepy Monday for
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: you guys. One way or another.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: I've got a sleepy Tuesday, a sleepy Monday.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: It's it's rough over here with all these first world
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: problems that I'm complaining about, which is so dumb, man wild.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of your night. I appreciate the hell
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: out of you, I'll see in the Twitter verse sounds
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: good my friend later, awesome guest, mister Spencer Schultz. Appreciate
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: the kind words from you folks in the chat. For Spence,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: he is legitimately a good dude, knows his stuff. You
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: can see it the way he talks ball scheme, structure, data,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: all those kind of pieces. I was really excited to
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: have him on for this episode. A message him a
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Sometimes I kind of fly see
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: my pants a little bit when it comes to the guests.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: But I had this one locked and loaded, and he
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: delivered as I anticipated.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: And as always, anything.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: You folks got before we start to wrap up here, questions, thoughts, comments, concerns,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: if you do have anything, feel free to put it
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: up into the chat. I will get to whatever you
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: folks want to put up in the chat as we
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: start to wind down here on the episode. I know
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: for the regular viewers of the show, we usually go
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: like hour forty five two hours on the show. Probably
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: gonna wind down a little bit based on how many
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: questions or thoughts or whatever you folks got into the
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: chat here. I'm looking to do another separate video potentially
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: later tonight or early tomorrow breaking down some stuff from
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Bill's Jags film breakdowns, similar to kind of what I
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: did last week where I did top five plays from
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Bill's Cardinals. So maybe doing another top five things or
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, top five plays for Bills Ristoff and so
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: maybe doing a top five thing for Bills versus Jags
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: or another specific element, some specific pieces of that. I
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: was going to do it on the back end of
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: this episode, but decided to kind of just do it
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: on its own thing. Also have the film Room coming
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: with air tomorrow and just this Monday night game flowing
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: into Tuesday. It's got me all wonky. I see a
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: super chat coming through from Joel. Appreciates you for being here, Joel.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Thinking for the super chat, Joel says, I saw what
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: is this his thoughts on the woman that wanted to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: leave her husband.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: For Josh Allen. Oh, it was like one of the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: signs in the stands.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's something serious or something troll based,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: or if it was I think I saw a sign
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: in the stands briefly that reflected this during the broadcast,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: but I don't remember. If I'm not remembering this correctly,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: feel free to put it up into the chat and
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: if it is something kind of like serious or that
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: I should know ipologizes or not knowing it but.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: Thinking for the super chat. I think it for being here. Yeah,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: the Sign of the Stands. I don't remember what it said.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing it briefly as and almost I was
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: gonna come back. Yeah, Joel says, yes, the Sign of
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: the Stands, and then Johnny's saying it too.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: It was a sign exclamation point.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: I was gonna rewind and go back, and I was
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: writing down a note for something in the game and
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: I kind of just I kind of just stopped and
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: didn't go back to it. That's super funny, you know what?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: And what is that also funny? Tying into this?
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: I saw when was I.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: I was at camp three of like the first four days,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: and the first day some woman was yelling for Josh
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: Allen to like sign her kid and sign her kid.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: And the second day there was a different woman who
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: was yelling for Josh Allen and she was like, I'll
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: leave my husband for you, Josh, I'll leave my husband
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: for you. I mean, I think it's just the aura
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: that he's got right now. Dude, is queshing it on
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: the field and it's the people going gets them excited.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: I think that's fair. You know, it is what it is.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: I guess, oh man, I wasn't expecting that question.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: That's funny.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Richie saying if the Bills limit Flowers and Henry, the
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Bills will win twenty seven to twenty one.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: I think that's fair.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Ja Dubb's saying having a couple running backs who can
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: line up as wide receivers and run routes and a
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: couple of wide receivers who can line up in the
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: backfield and pound the.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: Rock is a cheek coat. Yeah.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: Again, that's part of the value in guys like Curtis
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: Samuel and James Cook. This element where where are they
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: going to align? How are they going to align? And
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: then you tie into all that with all the prestat
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: motion and coverage indicators and all this stuff. It's it's
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: really why you know, Joe Brady has done such a
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: good job playing on the front foot schematically and setting
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: this offense up for success. Nicky saying, here's a question,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: is Derek henryly really worth eight million year? Still James Cook,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Ti Johnson and Ray Davis doesn't add up to that.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: I Oh, I'm gonna talk a little bit on both
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: sides of my mouth here. Like from an on the
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: field play style perspective, Alvin Kamara is one of my
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: favorite players in the league. But I also don't really
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: believe in paying running backs just because of what you
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: can get for cheaper or from a depth perspective, or
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: for that amount of money in terms of multiple guys.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: The way I always put it is, I have no
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: problem paying a running back if.
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  Speaker 3: You are close to a championship already.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: So if I'm the Ravens, I had no fine or
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: no fine, I had no issue kind of throwing that
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: money at Henry.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: Like your close.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: You were in the AFC Championship last year, you were
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: the one seed, you got an MVP caliber due to quarterback.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: You think this will put you over the edge. Fine,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm not paying a running back to start, like to
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: be a core piece of my team that's building or
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: going somewhere. It's similar with the Saquon Barkley piece, Like
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: Philly has been a good team they fell apart last year.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: I'm cool.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: If you think the running back is the guy that
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: pushes you over the edge and opens up things for
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: you a little bit, but overall, I just don't think
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: the return on investment is there given what you can
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: kind of scrape together. Again, no disrespect because there's a
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: lot of really good running backs out there, but it
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: just seems like you can find like a street free
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: agent and they're serviceable as like a running back, or
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: you can get a guy in the third round, fourth round,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: fifth round, or even like the Bucks are getting good
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: production from like Rashad White and Bucky Irving. None of
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: those dudes were like high profile running back picks. I
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: think you can This is gonna make it sound bad,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: but like cobble that position together without sacrificing significant draft
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: or financial capital.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: But I'm fine with it.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: If it's a team that you know, thinks they're close
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: to the mountaintop and they're trying to do that to
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: push them over the edge, I think, or similar to
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: what the Niners did. Right they were close, they traded
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: a bunch to get Christian McCaffrey and they thought it
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: would put them over the edge. They went to the
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: super Bowl, they lost in overtime, but then the year before,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: who knows, maybe they go to the super Bowl again.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: If brock Purty doesn't get hurt in Philadelphia. I'm fine
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: if you think it was kind of it's the last
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: little piece to push you over the edge. But I'm
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: not using it as like a core foundation. Like if
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: I'm a team that went four and thirteen and I
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: have a bunch of money in free agency, I'm not
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: making a running back one of my high profile signings. Well,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Nicky's saying, here's the sign. I just got married, but
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: I'd leave my husband for you, Josh nice man, that's wild.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: I especially too if like someone sees that, Like I
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: don't know if she was at the game with the husband,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: but imagine if like you're watching that at home and
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, that's so and so and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: so and so like or if he's not there, like
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: do you have to explain the joke or is it serious?
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Like do?
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: It's just opens you up for a lot of conversation
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: pieces that I I would.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: Not would not want.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: Oh man wild Walter saying, no, it's true she finalized
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: the divorce and Alan made me his man.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: You're everyways out. The chat is out of control. Oh
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: Joel saying the husband rymes right next to him, or
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: that's wild. I mean, it's obviously in on it. That's
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: just weird.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: It just open, just man fandom, fandom, whatever it is.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: JADB said, it's better to pay your old line than
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: pay your running back. Good enough old line and grandma
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: can get four yards. That's where I'm at too. If
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: you're if you're investing significant money or even just premium picks,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: I'm fine going offensive line all day. You can never
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: have enough good offensive lineman. You can never have enough
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: good offensive line depth. I actually think good o line
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: play is struggling a little bit in the league, which
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: is why it's harder to get to some of these
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: deep shots that take longer to develop versus the coverages
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: that we're seeing because offensive lines can't hold up enough.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, and invest that money in the old line.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Take that eight mil that you were gonna give you
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: a running back and use it for you know, one
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: year of you know, three mill twenty four million dollar
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: contract for a good depth offensive lineman or potential starter
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: for the future or whatever you got. Richie is saying
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Bills need to beat the Ravens. Texas said one of
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: the Ravens of Texans. At the very least last thing,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: I want to hear about is the Alan Jackson comparison
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: and the whole Digs thing thoughts. I'm super over the
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Diggs conversation. I think it's overblown. I understand people's fandom
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: and frustration with him, but everybody just trying to take
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: potshots at him left and right whenever they can. I'm
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: so tired of hearing about the Digs conversation, even the
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: Allen and Lamar conversation, not even from a Bills perspective.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: I was talking about this with Spence before we went online.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I really like Lamar Jackson, and I know he won
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: MVP and a lot of Bills fans thought Allan should
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: have won MVP. But Lamar Jackson's a good quarterback. And
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: I don't like seeing everybody constantly comparing Allen to Lamar
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: and trying to knock down Lamar every chance they can get,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: just to kind of big up Allan or because you're
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: upset at the MVP conversation from last year. So yeah,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: I just I And it's going to happen either way.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: If the Bills beat the Ravens, you're gonna see a
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: ton of conversation points about how Alan should be the
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: MVP and Lamar should have never been the MVP. YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: If the Ravens beat the Bills, it's going to be
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: a Lamar conversation all over again. And then Texans. Yeah
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: either way. If the Bills win, Alan never needed Diggs.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: If the Texans win and Digs balls out, then okay,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: like who made who? It's just I think you know
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: you saying. The last thing I want to hear about
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: is the Alan Jackson comparison to the whole Digs thing.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna happen either way, whether nationally or
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: you know, when the Bills fandom or Bill's mafia Twitter like,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: it's going to be hard to kind of avoid it.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: But I'm in lockstep with you. I'm super over.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: I'm past Diggs want and go somewhere else. I don't care.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: Dude thought he had a better chance somewhere else or
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: wasn't happy with his current job. Everybody thinks that every
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: day and wants to go somewhere else. Cool, do you,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: my man?
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: Like? I got no qualms with that.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: It's upsetting as a fan, I guess, but these guys
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: sacrifice their bodies on every moment of every play. I
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: got no problem with them trying to do what's best
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: for them movie, whether it's short sighted or not. I
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: like this stuff from Robert saying I'm kind of happy
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: that James dropped that TV because Kean would have never scored.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: That's fair, Dennis saying, did the Vikings show the rest
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: of the league how to beat the Texans?
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: So I am going.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: Into I was watching some of their tape yesterday. I
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: have to finish their Vikings defensive tape from that game
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: against the Texans. What I think is tough though, just
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: from knowing the schematics offhand without fully diving into the
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: tape yet, like potentially you know, some things really went
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: were unfortunate going the Texans way, Like they had some
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: third down conversions that got called back as like all
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: legal formation and stupid procedural penalties. But the Viking scheme
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: is very unique. Brian Flores is kind of in his
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: own class. I don't mean like quality, I just mean
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: in terms of schematic design, like how he blitzes what
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: he wants to do. Also, their three safety looks, their
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: ability to have Harrison Smith buying them and them at
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: Tellis allows them to get into some unique looks and
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: packages so I think the Vikings are a bit of
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: a Unicorn defense and turn of how Brian Flores likes
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: to attack, why he does it that way, and just
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: the overall schematic identity and philosophy of what the Vikings
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: defense is under Flores is a bit unique. And then
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: their three safeties and the skill sets they have in
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: that safety room also make them a little bit unique.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: So it's tough to kind of like, you're not gonna
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: get a lot of teams that can emulate that play
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: style or that philosophy necessarily, But I am interested to
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: dive back into the tape and see it just because
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: it was a really impressive performance and even some of
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: the things that I saw, it was cool to see
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: how creative they were in getting to their cover two
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: looks and non traditional Tampa stuff. You got Harrison Smith,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: you know, down around the line of scrimmage looking like
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: he's gonna blitz, and then all of a sudden he's dropping,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of the field like they've
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: done some cool stuff.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: So it's definitely a good group.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Kim said to Keon get disciplined for showing up late. Yeah,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: apparently he showed up late and was benched for the
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: first quarter is what I saw. Slash red NICKI saying,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: just metabute gay or metabat gay lineup across from that
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: can be an issue on a few plays, He'll line
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: up in a bunch of spots on that interior. I
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: think he's going to be an issue wherever he goes.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: He is tremendous. He is a studs stud on that
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: defensive line is just a metabk So.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: His size, like just how he's built.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: He's got power, he's got explosion, he's physical, he's athletic,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: he's got some technique to his game.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be a problem inside, regardless of who's lined
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: up on him.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: I think Torren's having some size and physicality helps a
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: little bit, but it'll be fun. Jadub's saying Diggs was
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: the only guy who showed up for the Texans ZHO
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: on Sunday. He's still a stud and still a little dramatic.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Doesn't matter until we play them, and then Jeremy saying,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: for real, though I don't agree with Diggs's attitude, however,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: he helped guide this ball club, you know, his rise to
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: the top while he was here. I'm in lockstep with
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: you know you, Jeremy and Jadubb. And again it's hurt feelings.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: I understand it, but all the people who were when
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Diggs left in screenshotting or showing the drop against Kansas,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: sitting in the playoffs, and just completely forgettingbout everything else
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: he did, even a couple of weeks ago prior to that,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: in Week eighteen where he's plucking the ball off the
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: ground downfield against Miami on a throw from Josh Allen.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of revisionist history with
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: everything with Diggs when he left and how he left,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: And again I understand it, and I understand where.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: It comes from.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: But he was a really great player while he was here,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: and even a lot of the current Bills still speak
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: highly of him in ways that aren't necessarily coach speak
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: or just generic talk just to give generic talk. I
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: still think he's a very good football player. I don't
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: think he's washed.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: And again I.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: Understand the hurt feelings of him, like kind of wanting
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: out potentially and then going elsewhere. But I just compare
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: it to like a regular life, like how many of
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: us work our day jobs and think, man like I
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: want to go somewhere else from my job or apply
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: for other jobs while we have our current job.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: And that's basically what he did.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't fall to the dude for thinking he
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: has a better shot at success, either mentally or championship
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: wise on the field. Like however he defines success and happiness,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: I don't fault to do it for thinking he can
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: go find it somewhere else and then trying to go
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: find it somewhere else.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: Whether he's right or wrong, I don't know. I don't
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: really care.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: Like do you like chase happiness in whatever form or
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: fashion it comes in, especially in something like football, where
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: your next play can be your last play on the
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: practice field in a game you never know, like guys
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: run a route and their acl or achilles pop, like
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: you never know when you're gonna be diminished goods, and
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: when your last play is your last player, your last
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: chance is your last chance. So yeah, whoever wants to
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: chase the bag or chase happiness or however they define it,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: more power to you, do you.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm that's fair, mister L.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Trell says, I'm done with the national media except those
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: that actually watch the tape don't care about the eye test.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: From Grifter pundits. I mean, I agree.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Nick's saying, I'm sure Alan's just happy his wide receivers
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: aren't dropping balls and getting open. Allen just seems like
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: he's into such a better headspace Bean like that and TC.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of his dudes, you know,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: But I mean, he's had guys before that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think guy's getting open and dropping balls was
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: a huge issue before, unless this is a shot at
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: Digs maybe, But he does seem like he's in a
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: better headspace. I think he took the Digs trade and
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to kind of refocus himself, and I think
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: he kind of wanted to prove something to everybody, whether
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: it was the Digs or himself or the national media.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: Like I think he refocused. He came into this season.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: In training camp and preseason everything he looked slimmed down.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: He looked trimmer, His mechanics are in a lot better shape, granded.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: He didn't have, you know, the arm injuries this offseason
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: like he had in previous ones. Maybe that stopped him
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: from doing some of the offseason work. He just seemed
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: refocused and retooled in a lot of ways, and whatever
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: was the impetus for that, you know, awesome because he
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: looks a lot better mechanically and mentally playing quarterback from
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: the neck up. He just looks very sharp physically and mentally.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: Adam says, how do you feel about bass if it
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: comes down and needing him to be the difference?
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: Not confident.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's a fifty to fifty shot on whether
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: he makes any type of kick thirty yard or forty yarder,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: extra point, fifty yarder.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: I'm not confident. And the Bill's trying out kickers last week.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: Worries worries me a little bit for sure, Nicholas saying,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: Happy victory Tuesday, Happy victory Tuesday. Nicholas Dennis saying I
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: would have loved to see Steph stick around long enough
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: to beat all the Bills records with Josh, they had
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: a special relationship for a while and it was must
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: watch TV when they were owning the league. Yeah, Allen
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: and Diggs was a really special connection. I wish I
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: wish it would have been did better, whether it was
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: with a Super Bowl or just a more amicable split
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: or a better run. And I think a lot of
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: people wish that and I think that sentiment is why
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: everybody was so upset and still upset at him, but
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: you know, again.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: Teach their own.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: I'm always gonna remember Diggs for his play on the
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: field into positive ways and for being the dude who
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: kind of went on his own and went to check
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: on DeMar Hamlet after that game again Cincinnati. He ended
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: up getting caught on camera, but he didn't plan it. It
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't a photo whop. He just went to go do it.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: I'm always gonna remember that him staring as the confetti
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: came down and everything was celebrating for the Chiefs when
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: they lost in the AFC Championship that year. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, Jada,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it was pretty smart to go from Diggs
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: and his extranists to a bunch of vibes guys. I
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: kind of think Matt Collins is just here to be
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: the opposite of Diggs in the locker room. I don't
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: know if it's necessarily going from extranis to a bunch
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: of vibes because the Vibes guys, I think their skill
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: sets play into what the Bills are trying to be
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: offensively this year. How the Bills offense is built, is
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: built to combat modern NFL defenses, and I think moving
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: in that direction was more schematic. Again, it could have
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: been personality, it could have been off the field stuff,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: but I think there's a lot of schematic element that's
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: tied to it too, Jason saying, the fact is Diggs
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: wanted to go. He saw the Brady offense, didn't want
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: to play in it. Wish him the best, but it
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: proved me he really isn't about only willing like he
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: always claimed. But he could be about only willing or
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: about only winning. Maybe he just thinks the Texans are
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: better than the Bills, or maybe he thought there were
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: greener pastures other where elsewhere. I don't think it's I
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: don't think it's necessarily that he doesn't care about winning
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: or doesn't or really isn't only about winning. But maybe
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: he thought he had a better shot with the Texans.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe he thought playing with Collins and Dell and Stroud
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: and Slowick and their offensive line and what they had
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: going there, maybe he thought that was a better opportunity
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: for him. And again, not that you can necessarily always
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: guarantee that, but I think winning is of extreme importance
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: to him, and there's some other elements to him. I
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: don't know him personally, and it's hard to read into
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: on and off the field stuff and merge the two.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: But it could just also be that, you know, who knows,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: maybe he thinks there was a better opportunity elsewhere.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:41:43
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• 1:41:44
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• 1:41:47
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• 1:41:50
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• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: I wish him the best wherever he goes again, for
• 1:41:55
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  Speaker 3: But how do you know that?
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  Speaker 1: What you say Diggs? First of all, saying Diggs certainly
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  Speaker 1: probably believe that's a contradiction, saying certainly and probably.
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• 1:43:39
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  Speaker 3: You don't know that.
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• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: be more successful elsewhere, or he thought another team had
• 1:43:49
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• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: maybe he's wrong. We have no idea until we're sitting
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: here at the end of the Super Bowl, at the
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: end of this year.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: But maybe maybe he maybe he didn't. I have no idea.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not operating with me personally, I'm not operating with
• 1:44:03
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• 1:44:06
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• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: based off of some on the field stuff or some
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: off the field reports. I just know there's a lot
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: of people who said a lot of great stuff about him,
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: for as much as a lot of fans talk down
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: on him a whole bunch of the time. And if
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: a dude thinks he can have more success elsewhere, however
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: he defines success or power to him, it doesn't matter
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: to me. That's good from Joe saying, maybe Diggs just
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: didn't value the cheese the sauce ratio like we do, well,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: then I have a problem. If he didn't value that
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: cheese the sauce ratio, then I'm great. He gotta go,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: he gotta go.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: Nicky saying, Ooh, I like this call back from Nicki.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: Nicki saying, didn't you like the Ravens linebacker Simpson for
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: the Bills to draft a couple of years ago? Do
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: you think he's better than Patrick Queen or a push?
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: I think he's a different player. He's more coverage sound.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: Queen is a hammer coming forward. That's why him and
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: Rope good pairing.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: You take patch a Queen who's a heat seeking missile
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: coming forward, or really good blitzer. You want to send
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: him through the A gap and through the B gap.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: I think Simpson's a better athlete, a more complete linebacker
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: with what he does versus the run and in coverage,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: but I think Queen is better playing to run better
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: coming forward.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: Simpson could get there.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: He's only in year two and his first year as
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: a starter, but I think Simpson is more athletic, better
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: in coverage. Queen is the better guy coming forward and
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: playing the run. Right now, We'll see what happens for Simpson,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: but yes, I did like him for the Bills to
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: draft a couple of years ago.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: I wanted him.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: The round that they took Dorian Williams was the round
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: that the Bills, I believe, or that the Ravens took
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Trenton Simpson. And we were doing the live show and
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: I think Tilt asked me, where do you think Trenton
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: Simpson goes? And I was like, you know, I think
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: Baltimore would be a great fit with how dynamic their
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: defense is and the hybrid stuff that they do. And
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: then I think he went to the Ravens like literally
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: two or three picks later. I still like him as
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: a dude. He looks good this year and his first
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: year as a starter. Yeah, his athleticism and skill set versatility,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: I thought would be a really good fit in the defense.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: I wanted him tremendously, especially where I thought they could
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: get him when he was still on the board.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good times, good times for him.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: Richie is saying, how about a score prediction for Ravens Bills.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: I never do predictions because I'm too superstitious. Oh my god,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: I'm too superstitious and worrisome. So I never do predictions.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: But I appreciate you asking. Oh, this is good for
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Nicky saying Diggs didn't like the pop.
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  Speaker 3: That's funny. That's funny. That's funny. That's funny.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: Good coming here from Jason saying about Diggs. But he
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: was certainly the best wide receiver we ever had, so
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: when it came to the on the field production and
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: his work ethic, I have all the respect and the
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: love for it.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: You know, chase your happiness and whatever former fashion it
• 1:46:42
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• 1:46:44
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• 1:46:45
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• 1:46:47
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• 1:46:49
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• 1:46:51
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• 1:46:54
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• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: I am going to try and drop a you know,
• 1:46:58
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• 1:47:02
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• 1:47:08
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• 1:47:16
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  Speaker 1: and then turn it off and to see you folks
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  Speaker 1: stay here in the questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I greatly appreciate it. It means more than you know, So
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  Speaker 1: about how awesome this show is and why they should
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  Speaker 1: watch it. If you thought this show was terrible, tell
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  Speaker 1: your enemies and try and ruin their day by making
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  Speaker 1: them watch it. I hope you and your family and
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  Speaker 1: friends and loved ones are all doing well and staying safe.
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  Speaker 1: Be kind to one another, take care of one another.
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  Speaker 1: I will see you tomorrow for another episode of The
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  Speaker 1: Cover One Film Room. If not, I will see you
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  Speaker 1: next Tuesday, nine pm Eastern for another episode of Disguised coverage,
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  Speaker 1: and kind words and all that kind of stuff. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for all the thank yous. I don't like pulling
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  Speaker 1: up stuff for myself, especially when I'm solo, because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like it's corny, but I see all the kind
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  Speaker 1: words coming into the chat and it means a lot. Again,
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  Speaker 1: thank you very much, so enjoy the rest of your evening,
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  Speaker 1: enjoy the rest of your week.
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  Speaker 3: God speed, and as always go bills.