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SMNTY Classics: The Last of Us Special, Episode 8 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stuff
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  Speaker 1: I've Never told you production of iHeart Radio. And welcome
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  Speaker 1: to episode eight of our reruns of the Last of
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  Speaker 1: Us the TV show. This was the pin ultimate episode.
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  Speaker 1: It was a very intense one. I was discussed in
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  Speaker 1: this episode. This is, in my opinion, the scariest part
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  Speaker 1: of the game. It's when you're playing as Ellie and
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: you don't really have any weapons, and it's just it's
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  Speaker 1: a grim It's a grim episode. It's a grim part
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  Speaker 1: of the game. By the way, I just beat the
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  Speaker 1: Last of Us to again Surprise. After we got back
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  Speaker 1: from Seattle, I replayed it and it was it was
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  Speaker 1: very I'm just I know I say it all the time,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm very good at that game. I did it
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  Speaker 1: pretty quickly. But now I'm replaying well for the first time.
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: I'm playing Silent Hell to the remake, and I'm horrible
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  Speaker 1: at it because I'm so used.
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  Speaker 2: I can't learn the new buttons.
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  Speaker 1: I am dying like all the time, like I'm on
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  Speaker 1: the verge of I've been on the verge of death
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  Speaker 1: for at least three hours, and that's the entirety of
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  Speaker 1: the time I played I'm gonna try again tonight and
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  Speaker 1: see if.
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  Speaker 2: I can improve some things. I'm gonna like practice or something.
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  Speaker 2: You got good.
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  Speaker 1: It's not good, but yes, this is one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite parts of the game, as brutal as it is,
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  Speaker 1: so please enjoy. Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to stepan never told you protection, No, iHeartRadio
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to what is probably the penultimate episode of
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  Speaker 1: our Last of Us, a mini series special wherein we
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  Speaker 1: react and discuss the HBO Max series, which is not
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  Speaker 1: a sponsor, And thank you to everyone who is. Lovingly
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: I mentioned that there's an official podcast that they listen to.
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  Speaker 1: That's all right, I understand.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't listened to it. Does that make you feel better?
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  Speaker 3: I only listen to you Annie. Oh thanks, But I
• 2:34
  Speaker 3: do have to remind you that, yes, we are not sponsored.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, no, it's all friendly. It's all in good fun.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure, I'm sure you hope.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do appreciate you've been hosting.
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  Speaker 2: We've been having watched parties. They've been a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: So as always, there will be spoilers for episode eight,
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  Speaker 1: called When We Are in Need, the most recent episode
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  Speaker 1: of the Last of Us and all of the episodes
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  Speaker 1: before that. Samantha was very good, has been very good
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  Speaker 1: of trying to get me to not spoil anything else.
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  Speaker 2: So I think, I think we can do it.
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  Speaker 1: This one thing.
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  Speaker 2: We got, this we do, but.
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  Speaker 1: I oh, I want to be like, let off the leash.
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  Speaker 3: I know I will wait, but we know even with
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  Speaker 3: this finale, you still can't be fully off the leash.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I know I'm gonna I'm gonna put some
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  Speaker 1: annoying teaser bag teaser things at the end of this one.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't want to hear them, you can skip it,
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  Speaker 1: but I have to put them in, Okay, and if
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, then you know. So
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: these are coming out every Saturday after the most recent
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: episode has aired on Sunday, uh and they are replacing
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  Speaker 1: my bi weekly Happy Hours, which you've probably noticed have
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  Speaker 1: been classics.
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  Speaker 2: That will we'll go.
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  Speaker 1: Back to our regular schedules scheduling programming once this is over,
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  Speaker 1: probably probably probably They have announced a season two and three,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that'll be at least two years from now.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, well sort of prepping.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, content warning on this one. We're not going to
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  Speaker 1: get too in depth on these because this sounds really dire,
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: and this episode is really dire, but we are going
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  Speaker 1: to be talking about them. Some pedophilia, sexual assault, attempts, cannibalism,
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  Speaker 1: child abuse, and torture. This is the seconds. There's only
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  Speaker 1: one more episode left, and I just saw headline that
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  Speaker 1: it was record breaking with seventy four viewership increase from
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  Speaker 1: the premiere.
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  Speaker 2: It was a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It was huge increase, so a lot of people watched it,
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  Speaker 1: and it was quite disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say that.
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  Speaker 1: I got a lot of once again angry text. Well sorry,
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  Speaker 1: So with that teaser, if you haven't seen it, can
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  Speaker 1: you give us your excellent recap of the episodes?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 4: Well, before we do that, I need to know.
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  Speaker 3: I need to do a check in because there's one
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  Speaker 3: episode left.
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  Speaker 4: One episode. How are we doing? Annie?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you saw, I'm like excited. Now it's Tuesday. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't come out till next Sunday. I'm very, very excited.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be absolutely bonkers. I did
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  Speaker 1: get spoiled on one thing. I'm atle mad about that,
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  Speaker 1: but that's okay.
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  Speaker 4: Did I do it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you did it.
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  Speaker 1: No, you did it, but it had in conjunction with
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  Speaker 1: something else that happened together. It spoiled down something. I
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  Speaker 1: do think it's it's only forty three minute song. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's going to pack in a lot. I think
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  Speaker 1: there was a recent article with Bill Ramsey where she
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  Speaker 1: said this is going to really divide the fandom, and
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  Speaker 1: I think that it will, and that's one of the
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  Speaker 1: big things I've been wanting to talk about since the beginning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm like, I'm very very excited. I like that
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  Speaker 1: kind of like angsty conversation that's gonna come out of it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm worried there's gonna be a lot of like anger
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  Speaker 1: and hate, but that's kind of part for the course
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  Speaker 1: for gaming, so that's unfortunate.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm nervous as well, but I am very excited.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited.
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  Speaker 4: Oh and are you doing okay?
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  Speaker 3: Knowing that your Sundays are about to be a little
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  Speaker 3: bit emptier with.
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  Speaker 2: I am going to miss them. It's been really fun.
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  Speaker 1: We hang out, we have like a meal, we drink,
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  Speaker 1: we talk, and then we watch it together and then
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  Speaker 1: I watch it again.
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  Speaker 3: It's like you and my partner have a new tradition
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  Speaker 3: where you watch it immediately after and I go to bed.
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  Speaker 1: After everyone has left in Samantha's gun to bed, we
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  Speaker 1: start again, and I just like picking up on things
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  Speaker 1: that like I don't really watch TV that often. I
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  Speaker 1: have it on in the background a lot, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't really like sit and watch, especially in a group,
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  Speaker 1: very often. So it's been fun to do that, be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: look at that Easter egg, go look at that thing.
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  Speaker 2: I am. I'm gonna miss it a lot in two years.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, you know, I would say, even
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  Speaker 1: if I have, you know, critiques about it, wish I
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  Speaker 1: will talk about. And I've heard some from my friends
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  Speaker 1: about it, like oh it's too short, it's moved too fast,
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  Speaker 1: or all that stuff. I think it's good, Like undeniably,
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  Speaker 1: it's very good. And that has been very nice to
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  Speaker 1: like just watch something and be have this kind of
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  Speaker 1: feedback of people like oh wow, I'm watching it now
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  Speaker 1: and I love this and this scared me so much,
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it is from people in person and from
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  Speaker 1: people online.
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  Speaker 2: It's been very fun.
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  Speaker 4: Good.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad now that we've done the check in, let's
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  Speaker 3: do this recap ready, so we open up to watching
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  Speaker 3: a new group of people sitting together reading a verse
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  Speaker 3: from Revelation it seems that they are very churchy, very
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  Speaker 3: religious group of people. They are mourning. At the same
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  Speaker 3: time they're worshiping together. A young woman, young lady probably teens,
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  Speaker 3: is crying and cannot stop from during that time in
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  Speaker 3: which he comes over, he being the pastor or the
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  Speaker 3: leader as we know, find out his name is David,
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  Speaker 3: and if you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, you know warning.
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  Speaker 3: He comes over to talk to her, talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: letting the dead russ and knowing that it's hard to
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  Speaker 3: lose people we are together, all these things, and then
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  Speaker 3: she says, can we at least bury him? And it's
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  Speaker 3: talking about her father who had gotten killed, named Alec,
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  Speaker 3: and he said, everybody stops. We look around, and he
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  Speaker 3: looks over at probably the secondhand man.
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  Speaker 4: Who was played by Troy Baker, And if you don't
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  Speaker 4: know who that is, we'll explain in a minute, but
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  Speaker 4: it is.
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  Speaker 3: Important and we've talked about him before, and his name
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  Speaker 3: is James, and they kind of give each other the
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  Speaker 3: face and the David, the leader comes around and he's like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we knew, we've talked about this.
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  Speaker 4: We can't bury him because the ground is too cold.
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  Speaker 3: It is a wintry, renty wintry mess, ice and cold
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  Speaker 3: and snow. Everywhere you feel it, you feel in the colors,
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  Speaker 3: you feel it in their face as they walk out.
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  Speaker 4: After the meeting, David goes to speak.
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  Speaker 3: With James and there was like, oh, there seems to
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  Speaker 3: be a lot of doubt there, and James's like, people
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  Speaker 3: are just scared. He's like, no, I'm not talking about them,
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  Speaker 3: and ret row not a good sign. Then we hear
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  Speaker 3: him saying, you know, come on, we're going to go
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  Speaker 3: try to find deer, which people have said that have
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  Speaker 3: been seen out around.
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  Speaker 4: We cut two.
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  Speaker 3: Ellie is in the basement with Joel still who was
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  Speaker 3: still unconscious, as she's freaking out, trying to give him
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  Speaker 3: some water because she's like, are you thirsty? And then
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  Speaker 3: she splits us two bites of food I guess a
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  Speaker 3: jerky and places one on his chest hoping that he
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  Speaker 3: will eat.
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  Speaker 4: Then she takes his rifle decides to go hunt. She hunts,
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  Speaker 4: and he actually gets a deer.
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  Speaker 3: There is a moment that you think she's about to
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  Speaker 3: kill a rabbit, which if you've played.
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  Speaker 4: The game, you know you know beat dubs.
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  Speaker 3: She does not, So we go on to see that
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  Speaker 3: she's following the track into the bloody deer.
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  Speaker 4: Because she did get a shot off.
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  Speaker 3: Then we come back to James and David, who has
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  Speaker 3: discovered this dead deer looking around. They're like, well, they're
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  Speaker 3: not here, so maybe we can grab it. We can
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  Speaker 3: go quickly, which Ellie pounces and she's like, step away
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  Speaker 3: from the deer.
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  Speaker 4: Put down your rifle, and David turns around. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want to rob you. What if we give
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  Speaker 3: you a trade? Let me put down the rifle. Bah
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: bah them put down the rifle. And he's like, we
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  Speaker 3: got a whole village of people we would need to feed,
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: and she's like, so do why And then he's like, well,
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: how about you know, we do a trade. And he's
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: like we've got food, we've got boots, and she's like
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: do you have medicine and he's like, well, yes, we do.
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: And so she's like, okay, well, why don't your buddy
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  Speaker 3: boy go and grab the stuff. You stay with me,
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: and if he brings it, we can split the deer.
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  Speaker 3: Which I still can't understand how that was going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: How was she even going to drag the deer? How
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: is she going to cook the deer? There were so
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: many questions, but I get it. But during this time,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, James's like, oh am, I supposed to
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  Speaker 3: kill her. And he's like, no, this is not code.
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  Speaker 3: Go get Pennis, Go get syringes. Go now, we'll stay
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  Speaker 3: here Ellie and hit them hang out for a minute.
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  Speaker 3: Ellie empties the guns and he's like, why don't we
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  Speaker 3: go into that shelter. I've got supplies to make a fire,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll just hang out until James comes back.
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  Speaker 4: Cool. Cool, Cool.
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  Speaker 3: They go and sit and there's this lot of philosophical
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  Speaker 3: conversation happening in this moment, very important conversation in which
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  Speaker 3: she talks about you know, it's all.
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  Speaker 4: About luck or whatever. He's like, I don't believe in luck.
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  Speaker 3: For instance, let me tell you this. I sent a
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: bunch of men to a village to go see if
• 11:33
  Speaker 3: they can find supplies, and turns out they were murdered
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: by this really crazy man.
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  Speaker 4: And get this, this crazy man had a little girl
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  Speaker 4: with him. Shoot to see. I don't this is what
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  Speaker 4: I mean. This is fate.
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  Speaker 3: And then we see that James has got a gun
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  Speaker 3: on her, in which David says stop giving the syringes.
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  Speaker 4: She can go. Essentially, he's like, what you know, Like yeah, He's.
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: Like, I can help you. You're not going to survive
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: here out in the cold alone.
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  Speaker 4: And again she's like, you know, I'm not alone. Be fine.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, we can help you. But whatever, whatnot.
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  Speaker 3: She takes the medicine, runs away, comes to Joel, and
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: then she gives him a shot of venicella into his wound,
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  Speaker 3: which our friend Marissa, who is in the nursing field
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  Speaker 3: who you have heard from, had a lot of critique
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  Speaker 3: on this, the way that she was putting the medicine in,
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  Speaker 3: but she does it does well, keeps going. This time,
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  Speaker 3: David and James returned to the village. They're like, look,
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  Speaker 3: we got venison. But before they get there, all the
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: townspeople are eating some kind of yummy meat and everybody
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  Speaker 3: kind of sits there and goes, what are we eating?
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  Speaker 3: And they're like venison And then they're like, wait, but
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: the venison wasn't there, how hmm. But David comes back
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  Speaker 3: trying to be joyous, like, look we got deer, we
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: got meat, and they are all somber and quiet, and
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: he's like, if you've heard this rumor that yes, we
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  Speaker 3: did find that man.
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  Speaker 4: We did.
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  Speaker 3: I did let her go, but we will go back
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  Speaker 3: and track them down. At that point, the same young
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  Speaker 3: teenage girl gets up and says, you should kill them,
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  Speaker 3: you should kill both of them, at which point David
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  Speaker 3: comes over and violently slaps her and says, you know,
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: you act like you don't have a dad. I'm your daddy,
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  Speaker 3: and that's not in the internet way we were talking about.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: So as that goes down, we realize, oh, he's not cool.
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: This is not cool.
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  Speaker 3: So he does take a group of men and they
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: go on their way to hunt him down. While she's
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: singing with Joel, she goes back out trying to look
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  Speaker 3: around to see I guess either maybe get the breath
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: of fresh air or a situation, and she hears a
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: noise like, oh, fluttering of birds. Obviously something's disrupted the atmosphere.
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  Speaker 3: Goes and sees that the men have come back, followed
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  Speaker 3: her to the house. So she goes downstairs, gives Joel
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: a knife and says, I'm gonna try to lead them away,
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  Speaker 3: but if they do come down here, kill them, And
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  Speaker 3: so she does that. She puts a bookshelf against the door,
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  Speaker 3: runs away, takes the poor horse, choos off at them,
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  Speaker 3: tries to distract them.
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  Speaker 4: As she does, the horse gets shot.
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  Speaker 3: Very sad I hated that, and she falls off, falls unconscious,
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  Speaker 3: and David and James and another man take her back
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  Speaker 3: to the village, while three others stay behind to hunt
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  Speaker 3: down Joel, in which David says, if you want your vengeance,
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  Speaker 3: go get it, so we'd go too. They go away
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: and huh, and we see that she is locked up.
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  Speaker 3: She wakes up and she's like, what's going on? Why
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: am I in a cage? And then he goes through
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: all of these conversations about how, oh you know, I
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: can he be here to help you. We're one and
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: the same. I have a violent way and so do you.
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  Speaker 3: I've always known this and I.
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  Speaker 4: See it in you. We are much alike. We can
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: do a lot together.
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  Speaker 3: And then does that creepy thing where he touches her
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: hand and be implying things, not good things, in which
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: at that point he's like, what's your name?
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  Speaker 4: And she's like, I don't care, like try not to him,
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: and then she.
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  Speaker 3: Breaks his finger and this ruckus happens, and she tries
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: to grab the keys and he bangs her head against
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  Speaker 3: the door and she falls back and he's like, I
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: tried to help you, because at that point he was
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: bargaining everything from like you'll be helped, you won't be alone.
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  Speaker 4: We'll let Joel go.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell the men to stop hunting them. They
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  Speaker 3: listen to me. I'm a leader, you're a leader.
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  Speaker 4: And at that point, because he's bad, he goes, now,
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  Speaker 4: what you what's going to happen to you?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 3: What's going to happen to him? You know this is
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: on you. Essentially, I'm gonna go take care of things.
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  Speaker 3: So he runs out after calling her media words which
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: would be bleeped.
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  Speaker 4: On here, so I won't say it. Flash back to
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  Speaker 4: oh No.
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  Speaker 3: The men are hunting Joel down and one of them
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: discover where he is.
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  Speaker 4: But Joel woke up, realizes he has to.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Get into survival tactic, kills one man real hard and
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: then tortures another man oh and knocks out both men,
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: essentially ties him up, put him in the same area,
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: talks to one man who's tied down, who wakes up
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: when he was unconscious to see Joel like covering over him,
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: saying where is she? Where did they take her all
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: the tricks of the torture. He's like, if you don't
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: tell me, I'm gonna blow off your kneecaps. He just
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: goes like, man, man, you don't have to do this,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: and then he stabs his knee and we hear him
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: scream and the buddy boy scream in the background. And
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: so he says, point to where she is on this map,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: and if your partner doesn't agree, y'allre both dead, in
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: which the dude does, do do, dude, I'll tell her.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: I tell you here she is, and then he kills them. Anyway,
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: the other dude was like, man, what are you doing?
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Why did you do that? I'm never going to tell you.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Now he's like, that's fine, I believe him, and then
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: he kills him too, and then so he goes after Ellie.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: At this point in time, we see James and David come.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Back grab her out of the cellar. Oh big key point.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: She had seen ears on the floor and.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: Realizes they have been eating people and she accuses them
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: of being monsters and she would never She asks him,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: are you going to chop me up in tiny pieces?
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: And now he comes back and he's like, yeah, I'm
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: going to chop you up in tiny pieces. So they
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: grab her, put her on the butcher block, essentially ready
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: to go to town. She starts screaming, no, don't do this,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: don't do this. I'm infected, and they both stop and
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: they're like what, because he had at this point gotten
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: bitten by her and had a bloody, bloody nub of
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: a hand, just getting his bloody hand, and she's like,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: roll up my sleeve. Look you'll see, you'll see I'm infected,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: and now so are you. So they pull up her
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: sleeve and James is freaking out and David's trying to
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: figure things out. He's like, there's no way, there's no
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: way you'd have turned by now, you'd turn by now,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: And this gives her enough time to grab the axe
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: and hack James in the neck, which he dies violently,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: while she rolls off and runs away and David is
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: shooting at her and chases her down into a restaurant
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: of that little area. She throws a burning branch stick
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: at him, which hits a curtain, sets the place on
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: fire slowly, and he's like, you know what I am
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: going to take you.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: You are going to live, and so am I all
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: of these things, and I am good. I decided you
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: do need a father and I will be your father.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: That feels very threatening, and.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: Then he does a whisper I'm coming to get you.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Where are you? Illy does all of that stuff, and
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: she's hiding in the background.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: She jumps on him.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: He is able to take her down, and at this
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: point we know things are getting gross because he is
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: implying that he's about to rape her at that point,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: but she's able to grab a knife jams it in
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: his neck.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: He flips off. She pounces on him.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: And repeatedly stabs him, repeatedly stabs him in a very
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: violent and malicious way, screaming, and then she runs out
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: the door, traumatized, bloody. When Joel comes around and grabs her,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: she's freaking out, thinking to someone else, until he captures
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: her face and says it's me, It's me, and she
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: stops to look and he hugs her and says I
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: got you, baby girl, as she's saying he was about
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: to and then they leave.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I like how you always ended with it, dude.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: I feel like it has to happen.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent as always, Thank you, Samantha. I do want
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: to a couple of like housekeeping at the top. Number
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: one is in the last episode we kind of made
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a very vague, weird dimension of the rabbit scene. Yes,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: if you've been like turning over your head, what could
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: they have meant about that? So there's an infamous scene
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: in the game where Ellie there's like a pretty rabbit.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: It like literally goes to the serene. It goes from
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: like you think Joel has done hard cut. You are
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: now Ellie and you're hunting, and that there's no other explanation.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: You were playing as Ellie now, which I'm going to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: talk about more in a second. And you see this
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: rabbit and it's so pretty, it's like snow is glistening
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: in the light. You're like, oh, rabbit, and then an
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: arrow comes from right through the neck, blood everywhere. And
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: the reason why it's kind of infamous is because a
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: lot of those like YouTube videos where a guy is
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: usually a guy is like, hey, girlfriend, come watch me
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: play this, or come play this. Look how cute, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: then they're shocked and horrified at what happens. And so
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that's what we were talking about that and that's why
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think with the effects, it
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: would have been worse the cost of what would have taken.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: They had a nod at it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: They had a little like that, and they did switch
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: up her lessons. So in the game she has a
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: bow and arrow, but they gave her for the show,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: and I'm assuming they'll never have her using a bow
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: and arrow in especially in season one, because that's not
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: being introduced at all.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I think that is because what I'm going
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: to talk about more in a second, But because these
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: are video games, I've seen a lot of arguments about
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: like why did they cut this?
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Why did they cut this?
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: There is a whole scene where you're playing as Ellie
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: where you have to work with David when you first
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: meet him, and there are clickers, there are bloaters.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: You have to fight all of them.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And in the game that's meant to endear you to him,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: like you have to work together.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: He does.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Protect her, he gives her weapons like you know you
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: do you have to work with him, And part of
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that is she only has the bow and arrow and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: he gives.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Her the rifle.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: It's not Joel's rifle because she leaves that with him
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: thinking something maybe he'll need it. But it's also because
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: you have a whole scene. As I said in the
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: last one, this is the scariest section of the game
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, because suddenly you're playing is Ellie. Ellie
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: is much smaller, She has like no weaponry other than
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: a couple of things, and is like where's Joel can
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: take a lot of good hits. She can't, but she's stealthier, Like,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: she has things that she's better at than Joel, and
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: like I said, one of them is she can kill
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: it clicker in one hit.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Joel can't do that generally.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: But the bow and arrow is like the compromise because
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: they can't hear you use the bow and arrow, So
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: if you're.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Really good at it, it's like my favorite weapon.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Then you can take out a lot of people and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: they'll never hear it, so you're still kind of being
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: stealthy but taking people out.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think they'll introduce it at all
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: in this season.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I have so much to say about this one,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: but I do want to start with Also, yes, Troy Baker.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Who's on the podcast.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Is the voice actor of Joel and also a lot
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: of other like if you've played any video game, in
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: this realm. You've probably heard him. He does do a
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: lot of these kind of griff fatherly figures. It turns
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: out I'm telling you about that TikTok. People have been
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: sent to me about people cosplaying his quote try Baker's daughter,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: because in so many video games he plays that role.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: He was James who is the Creeper number two And
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: you can watch the you know, behind the show afterwards
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: where he talks about like how amazing this was, how
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: rewarding it was for him. He never thought he'd do this.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: He thought maybe he'd be a clicker at most. It
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: was cool to it's like we talked about Samantha. It's
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: cool to see that they're including the voice actors in it,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: at least some of them. And it was kind of
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: a bit. It kind of messed with my mind about
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: because in the game he's Joel, yeah, and he's protecting
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Ellie and he looks like Joel.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: We all had a bet about who was gonna end
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: up killing James, and so many people was like, it's
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: gonna be Joel on Joel, but it was Ellie on Joel,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: which was almost the worst.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, and then he's the one that shoots
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the horse and puts her in this like really dangerous situation.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: So that was a really interesting right.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: And he also knew about the cannibalism.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Oh I forgot that part where Joel sees the dead
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: bodies without their heads hanging upside down.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: We'll creep this.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like like curing like meat in their plastic acts.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: And oh they're the dead, including the father. Yes, they
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: did not bury.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, And so David is sitting in front of this
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: poor girl who he just slept and she's eating and
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: she is eating her father, who she's so worried about
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: it wants to bury and she does it though, and
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: it's like one of the most.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Disturbing and disturbing and BT doves. We did not mean to,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: but we do have food during our before us, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: we ended up having like a meat stew. And I
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: did not think about it until my partner's sister because
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: she knows we have these themed things and typically it's
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: not just themed on Last of Us. It could be
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: like something's happening that week, but we're just going to
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: make this thing.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: And she asked, did you have be stew?
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: We were like, oh, my God, we did, and I
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: did not even think about it until then.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I thought about it, and then I was like, I'm
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: not going to mention it because I don't want anybody
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to feel like nauseous.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: It's nauseating, but I thank.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: You for that. It wasn't.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: After I thought, I was like, oh, shoot, we did well.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: They don't really.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Show that in the game, like you know it's happening,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: but you don't have like such a visceral graphic scene
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: of everybody eating it and not knowing.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: But also our lovely friend aforementioned versa, she made this
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: wonderful meal, but I did not know there was going
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: to be a beef stew.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have told her no, but I didn't know
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that was going to be part of it.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so delicious. She slept overs and I'm
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: eating it still. It's one of my favorite things. We
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: were telling her. It feels like just a homy hug
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: the soup does.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: But then you think about in that context, you're like, oh,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: never mind.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, there's something about all of them because they're
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: so hungry, and there's like the clanking of the spoons
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: against them silently. If to know this is human and
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: it's their friend that they're all crying about.
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: So that this morning, Oh my gosh. Anyway, moving okay.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Anyway, Yes, So I did want to go back to
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the point of playing Ali during the game. So, as
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I said in the previous episodes, the first game is
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: divided by seasons h and they get progressively shorter hints.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Why there's only one episode left, and you do play
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: as Ali during the winter section, and I think it
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: is the serious section. As I've said, you don't know
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: that Joel has survived the first hint. You get that
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: he has survived when she's like medicine, medicine and they're like, oh,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: maybe he's still He's still there. But if you've listened
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: or watched the behind the show thing, if you've read
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: some of the articles about this game, this whole section
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: is what inspired the game. What Neil Druckman, the creator,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: inspired him to do. It was because he writes about
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: this game he played where wherein it's a very traditional
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: game where you're playing the kind of like I got
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: to rescue the incess in the castle situation as a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: male protagonist, and then it turns out not only does
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: she not need rescuing, she rescues you, so it really
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: flips and then you're playing as her. So this was
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: what he really wanted to explore. And it kind of
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: like I was thinking about this last night when I
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: was trying to get over the nightmare I had about
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a spider.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Long story.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: But whatever, it's unfortunate, but I don't know too many
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: games we have done that, Like a lot of times
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: you do just play, you know, your traditional hero character,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: and he saves your younger, innocent character, usually a woman
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: or a girl. And we're going to talk about that
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: more in the finale episode, and we have talked about
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: it in our episode on survival gaming, because.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: That's still there in this as well.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: But it was like a new thing, like suddenly you
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: are playing as Ellie, this young girl, and it's like
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: totally up to her to save. And in fact it's
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: interspersed with Joel waking up. He does do this torture scene.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Like I said in the last one. I know this
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: sounds strange, but it's a really cool game mechanic because
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: he's still sick, so he can't like aim as well.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: He'll fall over like he's not doing well, but you
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: still think he's gonna save her and then.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: He doesn't.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: It's just like the timing of it, but the way
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: it's cut, you still think, oh, okay, but that's not
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: what happens. And that's what they said in the behind
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: the show things that that was like the opposite of
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: what they wanted was for him to come in and
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: save her, but that you're still expecting it because that's
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the story we see all of the time, and even
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you know, to an extent, you want it to happen,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: like you don't want Ellie to have to deal with
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: this this horrific thing. And one of the things I
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: love about this game, which I'm gonna have a lot
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: more to say about this in the final episode, but
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: one of the things I do love about it is
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: this event does not leave Ellie. She is traumatized after this,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: like she It changes the way she interacts with you
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and with the world. She is notably despondent and like
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: just gets distracted, kind of doesn't listen, Like I really
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: like that they didn't just put under the rug, like, oh,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: she she went through this horrible thing and.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Killed this guy. No, it stays with her.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: For a long time in the game, and there are
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: kind of big cuts in the game, which has been
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I think the source of some people is like wait
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a minute, because it just it'll just cut to spring,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I'll just cut to winter or whatever, and you miss
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: kind of a section of them traveling. But and that's
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: also like it's unclear how long Joel has been very
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: sick in the game, but it's it's not like days,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: it's longer than that. And she the whole, like DLC
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: left behind, she had all already kind of exhausted these
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: efforts of healing him. So it's not like a couple
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: of days. But you know, it's not clear either. All right,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: But we got to talk about this cannibal group, Okay,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: so they really leaned into the religious aspect, which I'm
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: going to come back to in this. In the game,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: there is that, but it's like not nearly as prevalent,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: but it is another example that we've talked about throughout
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: this of like humans are the worst, Like you've got
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: your infected, but what's the.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Real horror here is humans? And so the big.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Gosh, the big thing with David he is so creepy,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, because you do work with him.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: He identifies with those zombies.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: He does he has a whole speech where he's like,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: they're fruitful, they multiply, they provide, and they protect using
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: violence when necessary. He does have this strange They kind
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: of played it up, especially between him and James. People
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: were starting to doubt him because there was no food,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: they were being deprived of food. They were starting to
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: doubt his leadership, and he was getting more and more
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: angry at his own group and especially around Ellie. Ellie
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: was kind of like this blowing up of like, no,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: I think we need her, and they were like, what
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: are you talking about. We can't even provide for the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: people that we have. But that whole like his big
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: line is everything exists for a reason. When I tell
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: you that gives me chills. I was so annoying when
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: we were watching. I was like, here it comes. He's
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: gonna say it because in the game, that's when you're like, oh, no,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: they know that we killed those people.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: But him kind of like he says he turned to
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: religion after the apocalypse and in part because the cordeous ups.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: He almost makes it sound like that's his God is
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: not God, but like cordioships showed him the way you
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: see all these like signs he shall provide hanging around
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: and I think, you know, his constant discussion around fatherhood
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: and oh you need a father, I'm your father.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: In his head, he's taking.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Up this role and it's like a real power trip
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: for him, absolutely, And he has so many like petty
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: lines that we can you know, we're not talking about cannibals,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: but we can connect to of like, oh, you know
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: how it hurts me embarrassed, Ellie, Like you've really humiliated me,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Like all of these kind of like petty Oh you're
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a guy who's not used to being rejected or any
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: kind of like.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Somebody questioning your authority.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: And then he has also like this whole thing where
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: he's like, I'm only the leader because they want me
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: to be the leader. They need a god, they need
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: a father, they need heaven. They're just basically sheep. Well
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: he says sheep, but you know, and he's like, I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: want an equal But he's just very condescending of to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: the people that he's supposedly supposed to look after, which
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I do think is a lot of commentary on religion.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: There's also a lot of commentary of daughters with missing fathers,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and this was interesting in the behind the show thing
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: where they were talking about like, Oh, you think he's
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: going to be like a good person and a good
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: father and he turns out like the worst, which I
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: guess I don't know. I don't think I ever put
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it in my mind like that, but I suppose it's
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: supposed to be some kind of Oh. I think he
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: is meant to look like he could be a good guy,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: but he's so creepy.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Oh anyway, I feel like he's a lot creepier in
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the game from John.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: He's creepier immediately in the game, whereas in the show
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: he's like not as creepy, and then oh god, worse. Yeah,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: So this is speaking of This has caused a lot
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: of conversation because some people are like, David was never
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: pedophilic in the game, and I told you the voice
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: actor who played him always intended for him to be
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: read that way, and it certainly can be read that way.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: I think it was more overt in the show, but
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: it's not like.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: It's there. It's there in the game as well.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Like he does the whole like holding of the hand scene,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: he does the whole like basically become my wife thing
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: with Ellie in the game as well. I think what
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: really like watching it again, really like struck me is
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: I hate he has this line where he was a
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: teacher and he taught kids about your age.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: So upsetting.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: But he also has a lot of clients like I'm
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: a decent man. You don't know how good I am.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: You do need a father, Like you said, I can
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: protect you. It's mercy to protect her. Like he's very
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: much painting himself, like, you need me to protect you.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: But if you do anything wrong, anything that is not
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: like in my favor, what I think you should do,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: then I'm going to do like the very worst things,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: calling you the very worse things like And there's definitely
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: like again commentary, I think about the whole like preacher father.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Thing happening here. But he, I mean, he's terrified. Like
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: this scene.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Where you're in the restaurant in the game is one
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: of the scariest things I've ever played, because you it's
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: burning down. He can hear you stepping on glass. He's
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: so much bigger than you. He's got like this huge
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: cleaver and you have to sneak up on him and
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: he's saying like these horrible things. It's just like a
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: really upsetting, upsetting scene.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Well, if you're saying all this and we're all like, yeah,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: this is our favorite game, y'all.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I know, we have a really fun idea to maybe
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: compare us playing our favorite games, which I think would
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: be great.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Well, so.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: All of this is juxaphose with Yes, Scholl is waking up.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: He's realizing like, oh no, Ellie is in trouble, and
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: so he uses the old map trick which we talked
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: about in episode six. He does that a couple times
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: where he has somebody point to a spot on the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: map and then the other person has to confirm it
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to make sure that they're not lying. This like really
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: horrendous torture scene, and then him you know, struggling through
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to find her and seeing those dead bodies, seeing her
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: backpack away. And I do think it's interesting that the
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: previous episode no. Episode six set up his like anxiety
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and so much worry of failure, whereas they didn't do
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: that in the game, Like he was definitely desperate, and
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: you could tell by like how he tortured these men
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and killed them that he was definitely desperate, but it
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: didn't set up kind of that like which I felt
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: you could feel in his performance of the oh God,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I'm failing again and here it is.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: But as all this is happening, we see Ellie.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she gets he threatened, David threatens her with sexual assaults.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: She gets the cleaver and just.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Like completely is screaming, stabbing him over and over and
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: over again, which does happen in the game. And I
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: saw the next day a lot of people were like,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: this is she should get an Emmy for this, this performance,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: and it was very you know, I think the first
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: time I watch it, I was like, oh, so caught
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: up in it, but I have cried at other watches
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: because it's so upsetting, like it's so like seeing her so.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Visceral about it and it's so hurt. And he did
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: have that.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: David did have that conversation with her where he's like,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: you've got a violent heart. I have one too, I
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: see you you in me like I see me and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you and all of this really upsetting stuff that you
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: can tell is like, oh getting in her head. And
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: does he say there's no fear in love, which is
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: such an upsetting, upsetting line, But this was like, you know, again,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Ellie didn't need saving. They did say in after the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: show thing like you know, she it was like an
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: emotional saving but not like this, and I do love
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: she uses that infected trick.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Is so smart like that she was.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: It was a very show of intelligence during a very
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: horrific time when they're about to chop her up into
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: pieces and eat her.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I love the guy and Ellie is. Ellie is the
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: girl who broke your finger.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite lines, the little girl who
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: broke your finger, because he was so embarrassed.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Like what am I going to tell the others?
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: What will I say? She's like, oh, tell them? But
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: then you know, you have the line from the showrunner Cognizon,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: who was like, you know, as much as we love her,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: we have to be a little scared of her. And
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: that is something I've said a million times. Ellie is
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: so she's got a lot of like curiosity and innocence,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: and she's a child, and I think it's important people
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: remember she's a child, because I think they forget. And
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I'll have more to say about that as well. But
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: she's terrifying, like I wouldn't mess with her. She will
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: kill you. She will kill you. And then yeah, you
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: do see kind of this is another example of trauma.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: What does it take to survive in this world? And it,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: as they said in that like after shifting, it scars
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: her in a way that forever changes her. It's kind
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: of like Riley when Riley died. This is the thing
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: that say with her and this whole idea that they
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: are very very much hammering home of like Ellie having
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: this violent heart of being turning to violence or that's
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: the only way she can survive or things like that.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And again, just like Joel, and the big thing that
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: happens here is, you know, finally Joel calls her baby girl,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: which is something that he called his daughter. He hasn't
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: used it for twenty years. This is the first time,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: and that's just like the turning point of oh, he's
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: finally okay. This is like a daughter figure to me.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: She clings to him. It's like I need some kind
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: of comfort. It's it's one of my favorite scenes in
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the game. It's very upsetting, but it's very well done.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: And you know, after again the kind of whole talk
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: about what can't fail and seeing this that's definitely definitely
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: setting some things up. I also want to just call
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: out the sets. This was really on point with the game.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: It was very beautiful, slash terrifying, kind of wintry landscape
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: was really good. But yeah, that's it's so funny because
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: it's like only sixty minutes, but they packed so much
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: into the sixty minutes.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: It was full of action, very quick.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: It was and so many like there was a lot
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: of like exclamations of disgust.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: It costs a lot of conversation. I do have a
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: couple of random things.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: One is, did she lose her pun book in the game.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: She doesn't lose her pun book, but he did not
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: pick up her backpack, so I don't know about that.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: I'm sure they grabbed it.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I hope so.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And also, Samantha and I took a BuzzFeed quiz, very legitimate, yes,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: BuzzFeed quiz about what character we would be, and.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: I got Frank oh, and I was Tess.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Oh who Okay? All excellent.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Actually, everyone I've talked to about this has gotten a
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: different character.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't mention in the previous episode how important that
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Aha song is take on me to the series, but
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: just to mention that in there, here's my up next
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: if you don't want anything. I'm not going to spoil anything,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: but if you don't want anything, you can you can
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: click off and return.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Next time there will be.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: A certain animal appearance, perhaps maybe Ashley Johnson, who I
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: realized in the previous episode. I just said her name
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and didn't say anything else about her. She's the voice
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: actor of Ellie.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Just Ashley Johnson, and she's somewhat infamoused. She is a
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: child actor that's been around for a very very long time.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: She was in very quickly for the original Avengers as
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: the waitress. But she is a very distinctive voice. Yes so,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: and it's never like she's had since childhood. Like there's
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: a very distinct way that you when you watch these
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: family sitcoms, you know you've heard this voice.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and if you know after this ends and
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: you're looking for more content, I know I've mentioned it before,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: but you can see a lot of like them filming,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: and she does the filming the games, and she does
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: the like acting and body movements and everything.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: But it's really cool to see her do it. And
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: she's great. She's great.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, apparently she's some huge D and D yes I.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Know, yes, I do.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Also look This was my vague anti promise that they
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: are setting some things up.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, like they are really but yeah, it's the end
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: of the next episode. That's it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: I know, I know we will have another clip of that.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: That's what you're in. No, it's gonna be oh my gosh,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be great.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: But we hope that you have been enjoying these whether
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: you've watched the show, played the game, none of the above,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: because we have.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I have, definitely. I hope we have loved doing that.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Yes we have, and I'll miss them. I'll miss them greatly.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: But yes, we will be back next week with our
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: final addison. In the meantime, if you like to contact us,
• 44:03
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• 44:06
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• 44:10
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• 44:15
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• 44:18
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