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Talks to Elliot about his choice of The Gunfighters (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing quicker quicker.
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  Hello everybody and welcome back to a hamster with a blunt pen
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  knife. I am Elliot and I am saddling up
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  for another, well, the final instalment of the Gunfighters
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  with my good friend and usual person who does this, Joe Ford.
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  Saddling up, you say? Well.
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  Sounds hopeful. We've done a story about Cowboys
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  out in the in the OK Corral, lots of men in in chaps and
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  tight trousers and I'm surprised that there's been a severe lack
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  of innuendo. Innuendo.
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  All right, so I'll make up for it.
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  I shall turn this into an episode of RUP.
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  And so, mind you, look, we've both got a bit of scruff around
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  our faces. We would make pretty good
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  Cowboys, don't you think? I mean, I'll be the minceest
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  cowboy you've ever seen. Yeah, I mean, I, I, yeah,
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  wouldn't be, wouldn't be strong enough to do any of it.
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  But, you know, I'd like to wear a hat.
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  I've been purposely growing my hair out for fun so I I feel
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  like I've looked. I do look.
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  Like hair right now, this is no good for anyone listening
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  because they can't see you, right.
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  But when I was, when I was a teenager, you know, sort of
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  curtains were all in. Yeah.
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  And I tried desperately, like, you've got a fabulous wave going
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  on here, so hang curtains. Please don't let me insult.
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  You. Oh no.
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  Your hair is desperate. What?
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  What is so badly when I was younger?
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  It it all go back this into into yeah, a dissection of a
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  dissection of my hair. So if you don't want to listen
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  to politics, but. They're here for it.
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  But it does now it is long enough where if I kind of
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  basically I got really bored of, I've had the same haircut for
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  about 10 years. And I do that by just waxing
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  like literally creating a hard parting in my own hair.
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  And then it falls like that naturally.
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  Now I create in my own sort of the way my hair grows.
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  But I, I always had, I always have it sort of short back
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  inside, but I really like it when it's long and WAVY.
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  So I purposely kind of mess it up now.
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  So sometimes it does fall into curtains because I'll kind of
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  comb it into the place. But then throughout the day I go
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  run my hand through it and I it ends up sort of form of falling
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  like this. And so it's it's a complete mess
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  at the moment, but I really like it long so.
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  Yeah, you like it long, do you? A hard parting, you say?
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  I like a hard parting I did. Promise you I would.
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  I mean, everything you say now is going to be an innuendo for
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  the rest of the episode. Yeah, well, I dread to think
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  what anywhere that you can make out of the phrase short backing
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  sides. I mean, do you know what, right?
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  Your hair looks so well, quaff, you're there.
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  I mean, I will put you in for a shampoo advert because you're
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  worth it. Oh, well, thank you.
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  That's if anybody's listed. I'm, I'm available for voice
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  work and now apparently for hair work as well.
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  That's right. Absolutely, he's a man of many
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  talents, although I suppose our talents today will be stretched.
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  Give your bum the bum by forcing ourselves to endure.
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  Sorry, Enjoy the gunfires Episode 4, which is called the
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  Corral Horse. It's called the OK Corral.
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  What else would it be called? Well, can I ask you, do you like
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  seeing men sort of drawing their pistols and firing long
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  distances? Oh absolutely.
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  Like I said in episode 1, Episode 2, Swords and swords and
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  guns, Swords and guns. Can I ask you, you know, like
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  how far? How far can you fire your gun?
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  If I if I try I was trying to think for funny.
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  You're quite a young man, you know, so I hear that you can
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  fire it quite far. Depends how well hydrated I am,
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  but I don't know what, I don't know what it is.
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  I keep having these dreams about Roman soldiers falling on me
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  with their swords. You do.
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  OK. Is that a line from the myth
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  makers? It's filthy.
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  It's filthy, yeah. And there's a line, isn't there
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  about a bacanite at a first orgy?
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  Yes, it's it's a dirty story. Is it?
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  Is it, Is it Cassandra, who says in the myth makers, Yeah, about
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  Roman soldiers falling on her with her sword?
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  Say we don't. Listen to her.
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  We don't need much help interpreting that one.
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  She's right though, isn't she? She's right throughout that
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  entire story. Yeah.
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  Trust Vicki. Don't bring that horse in.
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  But because she's such a an old ham.
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  Well, there we go. Well, Are you ready to insert
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  episode 4? I.
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  You've never should have said that about innuendos.
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  There we get. Yeah, we're filling.
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  Up. Please tell me if you get
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  uncomfortable at any point, all right?
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  I'm just, I'm just not as good as you.
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  So my, my, I'll keep trying to rebuff the way that it just
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  makes me laugh more You. Can rebuff me any day.
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  Good grief. I did that in the first episode,
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  perhaps where I made I can't even remember.
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  It wasn't even very good innuendo.
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  And then I had to pause because I made myself laugh too much.
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  You laughed at your own joke. Yeah, I have to do.
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  That all the time for me. I was going to say, you know, if
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  you've got to love yourself, isn't you?
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  What self love are you talking about?
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  Yeah, yeah. We better go to episode 4 quick.
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  Wow. Whose turn is it to count in?
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  I can't Remember Me, you, me. I think it's me because you
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  start. I think it's you.
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  That's right. You start us off.
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  I'll finish us. Thank you. 321 off we go.
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  My favorite, my favorite Bodden Alan Partridge.
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  I love Alan Partridge. I love modern Alan Partridge
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  especially. And he's talking about, I can't
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  remember what it is, but a special lady in his life.
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  And he says because I I wouldn't go so far as to say she
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  completes me, but she certainly finishes me off.
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  I love Alan Partridge. I think for anybody who likes
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  Alan Partridge and has ears to listen most of the early stuff
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  and even some of it now of coming on podcast is essentially
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  me just slipping Alan Partridge references where I can for fun.
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  And only about two people have ever noticed.
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  So if you're really into Alan Partridge, go go and listen.
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  Real stiff that corpses, good grief, have.
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  You ever been? As stiff as that corpse.
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  Only when I am trying to sort of do public speaking.
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  Not because I find it sexy, but just because I clap up.
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  I fucking hate public speaking. You know, when you you're in a
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  ring and it's like a oh, a get to know you question, you have
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  to stand up and oh man, I perspire and oh, it's just
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  awful. If I can, if I can do, if I have
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  lines, I can do it fine. You know, I performed, you know,
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  shows and monologues and songs, everything I could do.
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  They're absolutely fine. But if I don't know what I'm
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  saying and I've got to speak, especially about myself now,
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  forget it, forget it. I can't do it.
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  I hate it. I mean, you've done quite well
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  today on this podcast. Thanks.
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  Well, you know, it's such a lovely, inviting.
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  Oh, save it, all right. Oh, look who's this guy?
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  Actually, do you know what? Right.
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  Please, this man has just entered the scene.
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  Now, I don't know who he is, but he's got a very impressive
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  moustache. Is.
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  It bat, someone said Bat. I don't know if that.
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  Was is it Bat Masterson? Is that?
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  Right. Oh yeah, of course, because yes,
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  the yeah, Hartnell there takes I'm pretty being called Pop.
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  Take a look down below, he is wearing the tightest trousers
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  you've ever seen. I think the subtitles are
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  covering the. Oh, this is where he touches the
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  body. Look.
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  Oh dear. I love jokes with with Hartwell
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  about him having issues with how he's, you know, how he's
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  addressed like him getting getting annoyed there about
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  being called Pop. I love his when he first meets,
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  when he first meets Stephen, isn't it?
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  And he's like, yeah. And he's like, don't, yes, don't
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  call me Doctor or no, don't call me Doc, isn't it?
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  Yeah, don't call me Doc. And then he goes, yeah, whatever
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  you say, Doc. And then he looks in with those
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  eyes and then immediately tour. Doctor, really I've.
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  Just realized something and please don't take a rude meaning
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  of this. There are almost two generations
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  between us. You could call me Pop, you know.
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  Good grief. Yeah, I don't know because I'm.
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  44 I mean, I would have actually been quite young.
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  I was going to say because I've not asked, I've not asked you
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  your age, but that's because, you know, I'm, I'm the one who
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  gets asked like a step and everyone's like, you know, blow
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  me out. How young are you?
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  But it feels feels rude to do it the other way around.
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  But I might start if everyone wants to question me about my
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  age and whilst I go. Yeah, all right, but you have to
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  tell me. About 27, aren't you?
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  You're 27. I'm 44.
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  Yeah, nice. I'll make a note of it.
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  I'll have to ask everybody anytime I do it because it'll
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  come up next time I do strictly, I'll get.
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  I'll ask because I'm sure, but I'll ask if you're.
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  In return, without Please tell me your age, it was Luke Malloy,
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  who is just turned 30, that you are now officially the youngest
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  contributor to a Habsur Blum pen knife.
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  Well, but as you said to me, as you said to me the other day,
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  you think that I'm 27 but with the spirit of a a middle-aged
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  man. You've got a copy of the gun
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  fighters target book, all right. Yeah.
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  I don't know how many of the TikTok generation have that.
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  I've got, I've got to compensate somehow, you know?
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  Compensate for what? Well.
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  Oh boy, oh boy. But that, that is the that's not
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  what I'm not quite sure what I meant.
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  I think I just bet I'm very proudly into the things that I'm
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  into. And yeah, it's definitely got a
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  Doctor Who mainly that's a nice straight.
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  Space. Yeah, absolutely.
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  That's how I've spent my entire life, you know?
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  But I think there was a probably a version of me that would have
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  been a bit ashamed by it, and now I just don't.
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  I don't care. Oh, so you skipped all of that
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  sort of borrowed embarrassment we all had in our, what, early
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  20s? No, it was mostly my 20s
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  actually, where I was like, oh, should, might be, should not
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  have grown out of this by now. Then I hit my 30s and I was like
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  oh fuck it. I think going to going going to
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  art school gave me that like horribly annoying phase of being
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  able to kind of be a bit pretentious and into art stuff
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  and be like maternity. Yeah.
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  Yeah, and then I've sort of and you know, don't get me wrong, I
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  was still basically the same person at university, but you
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  know, you get to you get to be a bit more pretentious about
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  stuff. And now I currently have a side
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  of it and I just say I like what I like.
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  And also as well my life, you know, sorry this is all getting
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  a bit. So this is your life.
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  But you know, my for everyone who's I always think of Reeves
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  and Mortimer with that and to get like a little a little sort
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  of Glock and spit out and go this is your life.
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  But yeah, you know, like. I've got work here by the
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  episodes, you know. Well, I've got to I've got to
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  demonstrate to people for again, I might be I might be 27, but
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  yeah, I at least I know, I know my readable for my freeze of
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  Mortimer. I'm not just.
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  Did you hear that, you old folkies out there?
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  27 All right, I know you guys can't remember bat bat far, but.
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  I've not just all about maybe with TikTok dances and.
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  TikTok dances? Really.
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  Oh, the first, apparently what they do over there.
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  Oh, OK, you'll never catch me. Down now you sound 44.
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  Apparently that's what they do over there.
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  Look proudly creative, but with two left feet, I was never.
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  Very presence on your podcast. You should know all about this
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  stuff. We do and I have an account
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  mostly to see what we post and that is about it.
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  But. I only see videos of kittens
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  really. Yeah, To be fair, my, yeah, my,
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  my feed is, is our podcast, Yeah.
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  Or videos of cats doing stuff. And I'm pretty happy with that.
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  Now you might be wondering why we've spent the last sort of 10
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  minutes of the gunfighters flirting, making innuendo and
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  talking about cat TikTok videos. And that's because not a lot
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  happens in Episode 4 until the gunfight.
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  It's just a lot of standing around.
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  People talking about there's going to be a gunfight.
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  We've got to get ready for a gunfight.
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  A gunfight's coming. But.
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  In the same breath, you've still got Hartnell touching the body,
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  you know, you've got new characters coming.
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  There is there is stuff happening, but there's there's
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  no narrative happening. And you get Hartnell saying that
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  he would never, he would never raise his gun in anger.
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  Which again, I'm going to rail against people who talk about
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  how there are later incarnations of the Doctors that just will
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  kind of wield guns Willy nilly and they find all of the, the,
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  they find all the stuff to be a bit overblown.
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  But I think that the First Doctor should have set the
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  template by saying that he would never raise, never raise a gun
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  in violence and anger. Raising guns in anger Willy
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  nilly. I mean, how many openings are
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  you offering me here? Well, not as many as you used
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  to. It's true.
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  It's true. It is true.
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  OK, but those. So that's it.
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  We just sort of skip back from either sides.
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  Now the doctors. There's a bit in the minute
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  where the doctor is literally just sitting around the
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  breakfast table with Dodo going well, my child, I don't suppose
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  we're going to be able to stop this scum fight.
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  Oh well. Oh well, let's go.
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  Come on. But usually, like you look at, I
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  look at the myth makers. So that's Donald Cotton's last
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  one. And that last episode, it is
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  packed full of story. I mean, almost too much because
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  Stephen gets hurt, doesn't he? Obviously there's the the huge
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  massacre Vicky leaves. Like there's so much going on in
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  that episode 4 compared to this. Yeah, they're not.
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  Again, I love, I love this sort of having fun with it.
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  It's not big on it's character work.
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  No, it's jokes. You know, we're not learning
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  much about Stephen or Dodo. I mean, it's nice to spend more
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  time with Dodo and she feels proper fleshed out in this one.
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  It's a shame that. She just gets back.
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  Oh no, we've just had this less we talk maker.
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  Yeah. So is it net?
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  Is it war machines? Next isn't.
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  It. Oh, savages.
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  Oh no, Savages next. Yeah.
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  And then? Actually, she's pretty great in
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  that as well. You know she goes off Explorer
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  in the city. I really I really love the
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  savages again took me to listen to the to the audio just got on
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  its own for fun to be like wow I really like this.
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  But I I think the savages is really special and doesn't get
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  talked about enough. And I love those Teller snaps,
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  especially the end of episode 4. Was it 3 when they rescued
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  Hartnell from the city? And he looks absolutely fucked
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  up. He is he's he's costumes toured
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  and he looks like he's out of breath.
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  It's brilliant. Well, you've got Frederick
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  Yeager, isn't it? As Jaino doing the heart?
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  No impression once he's been through the brain sucking
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  machine. I am really, I'm really excited
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  for the animation. They announced it.
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  I don't I've seen the trailer. I'm not I'm not sold by how
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  they've portrayed sort of the look of the savages.
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  But it's such a weird story to do for the animation range that
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  I'm really excited for it. I was.
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  Offered a ticket to the BFI screening, but I just hate those
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  group events. I just hate crowds, so I
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  declined. Yeah.
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  Oh my God, look at Dodo. Woo.
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  Wait for the gun. I'm here.
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  Oh my dear. I'm not in the slightest bit of
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  danger. She's.
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  Dressed like Annie Oakley in this story.
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  I don't know how. I've really just got to realise,
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  actually, you look for like Annie Oakley.
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  I mean, I don't object too much to the plot slowing down because
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  you've got Dodo, Doc Holiday and the doctor in this camp.
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  You've got Johnny, Ringo and Stephen in the other camp.
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  And so there's great. It's, forgive me, engorged with
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  charm, this story. Yeah, and like I say, I know
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  that they're not doing. They're not doing.
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  Oh, sorry. It's a the dot collar.
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  There's a real good, real good example for why some men should
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  just keep wearing hats. Because he, he did.
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  He looked all right of his hat on quite, you know, quite
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  handsome in that distinguished way.
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  They took his hat off. And that hairline is fighting
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  for his life. Doesn't Hartle look great with a
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  martial star on him as well? Again, that's what would be
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  about that costume, just feeling so like natural for the time
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  period that yeah, in that silhouette, he just looks like a
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  cowboy character. He looks like Doctor Marshall
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  with the hat and then that start act on.
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  And he opens his mouth and goes and here's your wretched weapon,
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  you know, take it back. I I do feel, though, like the
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  expectation is that the doctor will be part of the like he will
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  walk down the the Main Street at the end with the others and be a
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  part of the action somehow. Not far gun but.
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  Yeah, but it would be. Some some really clever, you
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  know, like if you just fire up there for the power of
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  mathematics, we can go bunk, bunk, bunk, bunk and knock them
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  all out with a sign. Which is is what they do in Red
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  Dwarf. That's where I took it from.
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  Oh look, he's got his little glass of milk.
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  Look, finally. Yeah, I love that he's into his.
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  He's into his milk. Although actually sorry, you
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  know, I'm sorry. I'm not going to pick tolls of
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  the gunfire. But you were saying earlier
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  about this is again to say, you know that your life is over.
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  The in in the book they go, you know, explain that he doesn't
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  have any aspirin on board. He's got machines for bones and
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  everything. And that's why he goes and gets
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  his tooth full. And again, I don't have a
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  problem getting his tooth full because the story needs to
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  happen. I'm not complaining.
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  But of course, in the the Daleks, Barbara has a headache
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  from the radiation. Susan does make her up a little
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  cup of liquid, which goes here you are drink this get ready
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  headache. And she has it.
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  And straight away she's like, oh Blimey, that has helped.
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  But I'd do. A Terran sticks and cover it
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  with a line then and say that that was the full supply.
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  I'm afraid that. Oh yes, Barbara's.
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  Barbara's had it all. Selfish Barbara.
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  Honestly, to be my dear, my dear child, we're just going to have
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  to sit here and talk until the plot gets ready for the for the
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  climax. It's we felt I was also like,
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  again, you can't be a doctor fair about like being pedantic
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  about things because I was trying to just like read some
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  information about this and sort of see what people, other people
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  were saying. And one of the bits of, of
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  supposed trivia that I stumbled across was that it was the first
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  time that Doctor Who had ever gone to the United States as a
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  saying. And I was like, bullshit.
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  They go to the top of the Empire State Building in the chains
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  which so. A truly accurate representation
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  of America there. Absolutely.
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  A lone Texan man standing on top of the Empire State Building.
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  Or that poor fella that's showing around the tour party.
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  You know, the lady with the hat. Here we are on top of the the
• 19:18
  Empire State Building. It kind of reminds me of the IT
• 19:23
  reminds me of the tour guide for the For the Alamo from Pee Wee's
• 19:27
  Big Adventure. Actually, this is quite nice,
• 19:30
  Hartnell coming across to the other side and saying, you know,
• 19:35
  one, I'm taking Stephen with me and two, just call it off.
• 19:40
  You're all going to end up dead. And I think again, I'm, I'm not
• 19:46
  so squared up on it, but I, I think there was a lot of, there
• 19:52
  was a lot of attempts at diplomatic negotiation to stop
• 19:57
  the gunfight at the OK Corral, you know, because I think it's,
• 20:01
  it's one of those beautiful myths, isn't it?
• 20:03
  We have that everyone there, everyone wanders around with
• 20:05
  their, their pistols on their hips and so on, on a steals you
• 20:09
  drink in a bar and they get shot in the back of the head.
• 20:11
  But it was, you know, towns and settlements have gun.
• 20:15
  I mean, you can see in the there's that sign that says no
• 20:16
  shooting in the saloon in the story.
• 20:18
  You know, this was. A way to settle disputes.
• 20:21
  But it was the last resort. It was not quite as blood first
• 20:24
  as I think people like to. Mike was saying in the book that
• 20:29
  there was a law that you weren't allowed to carry a gun in a town
• 20:33
  at all. Well, I.
• 20:35
  Think we see so much stuff about Cowboys always outlaws, whereas
• 20:39
  the actual general day-to-day life is very, very boring.
• 20:43
  So do you reckon some of this is, you know, the fiction
• 20:47
  becomes myth, becomes fact? Yeah, I think it all ends up
• 20:51
  just kind of because I suppose it's also a really difficult
• 20:55
  time to. And again, it's why I say it's
• 20:57
  more like the myth makers than a pure historical because there's
• 21:01
  so much of this stuff is more passed down in in oral tradition
• 21:05
  or is, you know, written down by sort of, you know, third
• 21:08
  parties. This is all stuff that's told by
• 21:11
  other people who were there to people at campfires, to people
• 21:13
  in other settlements that's then kind of recorded as fact.
• 21:17
  And I don't think you ever, I think it's hard.
• 21:19
  It's kind of like pirates. It's really hard.
• 21:21
  I think to get a true representation on what actually
• 21:23
  life was was like. Because we like the romantic
• 21:27
  myth a hell of a lot more. Well, like in in all the movies,
• 21:31
  you know, you get lots of references to like showgirls,
• 21:35
  don't you? And things like that.
• 21:36
  In the theatre, it's bullshit. That's just them.
• 21:40
  They were prostitutes. The men went to these towns, to
• 21:43
  Fark. That's why you get Marco
• 21:45
  Lightley's House of Sin in the Book of the Gunfires, and he's
• 21:50
  very explicit as to why, what you know what the girls were
• 21:54
  about. But obviously in a movie, in a
• 21:56
  musical or something like that, they ain't going to show a lot
• 21:58
  of hookers hanging about the place.
• 22:00
  So they just dress them up as as showgirls.
• 22:02
  And we also get a lot of it from other media and other movies.
• 22:06
  I mean, the whole Stetson hat thing is all just, that's not
• 22:11
  accurate at all. You know, it was people.
• 22:14
  People wear hats because, yeah, people wear hats because of the
• 22:17
  sun. But, you know, you're talking
• 22:19
  Bola, Bola caps and more sort of things like that.
• 22:23
  But it just looks cool. And it was used in very famous
• 22:26
  cowboy movies that have become the template, I think the the
• 22:29
  original or one of the original film versions of Treasure Island
• 22:34
  as Long John Silver speaking with the very.
• 22:36
  Yeah, the West Country pirate accent that has now just become,
• 22:40
  that's your pirate voice. But it's just he was just doing
• 22:43
  a West Country accent for that movie and it's now.
• 22:46
  I think if you're doing a. Great.
• 22:48
  Parody of a Western, which is technically what this is, right?
• 22:51
  Yeah. Then just having all the
• 22:54
  cliches, factual accuracy be damned, is absolutely fine.
• 22:59
  It's actually kind of a shame they never did pirates because I
• 23:01
  would have quite liked to have seen there.
• 23:03
  No, you say more. Look at this camera, it's just
• 23:05
  lovely. And you get it, both sides.
• 23:08
  They're just, I feel like they're outside here.
• 23:11
  I know they're in a studio. No, but it does feel and that
• 23:14
  shot as well, like it's difficult to crane and everyone
• 23:17
  talks about is it the searches? I think we'll look it up because
• 23:20
  I'm wrong. Everyone talks.
• 23:20
  There's that really famous crane shot from the end of that
• 23:22
  Western, and I know that goes much higher than that, but you
• 23:25
  got to think it was probably only about 10 years before this
• 23:28
  and this is being made in ATV Studio.
• 23:30
  I can't quite understand that they were just firing their guns
• 23:34
  about 5 metres away from them and didn't hit them once and
• 23:38
  they were just continually walking towards them.
• 23:41
  I've no idea. There's probably there's
• 23:43
  probably a combination of, you know, action cliche, you know,
• 23:50
  taking liberties and then also probably something that had the
• 23:53
  handguns of being very reliable or accurate.
• 23:55
  But I'm not. Again, I'm not up enough on my
• 23:58
  Wild West history. I know Johnny Ringo is now
• 24:01
  holding a gun to Dodo's head, which means she's not entirely
• 24:05
  to blame when she gets away, but really, she's responsible for
• 24:08
  him dying because Doc Holiday isn't going to shoot him while
• 24:12
  she's there. She shoves him away and then he
• 24:14
  gets shot. He looks a bit like, only in
• 24:16
  those close-ups, he looks a bit like James Khan.
• 24:19
  But yeah, of course, he's got the Doc Holiday.
• 24:21
  He's got the little eringer. And in the book, right, he
• 24:25
  literally describes him as shooting Johnny Ringo where it
• 24:31
  would hurt the most. That's your imagination.
• 24:36
  Oh yeah, OK. But he dies screaming in pain.
• 24:40
  Lovely, I'm going to have to read it now.
• 24:42
  Oh. It's a really good book.
• 24:45
  Remind you the reading's great as well.
• 24:46
  Shane Rimmer's reading. He really sounds like an old
• 24:49
  time westerner. I have got the I also again, if
• 24:53
  I could have, I've been, I've been wanting to get like hooked
• 24:57
  up with a proper like VHS player.
• 25:01
  And yeah, so I know you can hook them up now to modern TV's with
• 25:05
  technology, but like a proper old CRTTV because I think you
• 25:08
  get that effect. They've got the gunfighters on
• 25:09
  video and I would have loved to have watched this on cassette.
• 25:12
  I think it adds to the atmosphere of it so much more,
• 25:15
  but I haven't got the money. Going back years and years now
• 25:18
  but fucking VHS isn't the tracking.
• 25:21
  You'd have white lines going because because they go all the
• 25:24
  way through. Oh my God.
• 25:26
  I'm very, I don't know, I was going to say fortunate.
• 25:29
  I suppose people wouldn't necessarily say fortunate or
• 25:31
  unfortunate either way, but I kind of grew up on the, you
• 25:34
  know, on the cusp of video and and DVD kind of both being a
• 25:40
  thing. But I had AI had a video player
• 25:42
  still for a really long time because they were cheap and easy
• 25:44
  to get a hold of. It was the best way for me to
• 25:47
  get a hold of movies because if I could buy a, you know, if I
• 25:49
  buy videos for less than a less than a pound because I don't
• 25:53
  want them anymore. And I had a video player, it was
• 25:55
  quite good. So I do still have a lot of
• 25:57
  nostalgia around for AHS, which again, probably also makes me
• 26:00
  sound much older, much older than I am.
• 26:05
  We're learning that you are the oldest soul to contribute to how
• 26:08
  I still now. I hate streaming and I love I
• 26:12
  love videos. This shot here, so it's from the
• 26:15
  top of the stairs of them shooting him.
• 26:18
  That's gorgeous. I just think as well the
• 26:20
  bloodbath is great, man. There's people dying left, right
• 26:23
  and centre here. And that's again, you know, this
• 26:26
  stunt work of having having fall off that railing is very
• 26:31
  impressive. The doctor goes now as we count.
• 26:34
  Oh well, everybody's dead. We may as well go.
• 26:37
  I would love to. I might get a hold of this on
• 26:39
  it's one of those stories, but I might get a hold of it on DVD
• 26:42
  just because, I mean, I don't think there's going to be a
• 26:45
  season 3 box fit for a long time, which I understand why,
• 26:51
  but I would love to this one of those stories.
• 26:53
  But now actually watching it, there's so much in the technical
• 26:56
  craft and this is so impressive. I would like to see, I'd like to
• 27:00
  just absorb as much information about how they actually managed
• 27:02
  to do half this shit. I.
• 27:05
  Was actually joking. He literally walked in going
• 27:08
  well all the Clantons are dead and he's dead.
• 27:10
  There we go. I love this little, this little
• 27:13
  like I don't know what he's like the livery or whatever that
• 27:15
  they've landed in. Very it's reminding me of, you
• 27:21
  know, Totters, Totters Lane, you know, the junkyard.
• 27:25
  It's it looks like that quite a lot actually.
• 27:28
  I love that ending for Doug Holiday as well.
• 27:30
  There is, mate. Rustled him up a wanted poster.
• 27:33
  Keep my reputation intact so they don't think I'm a good guy.
• 27:40
  Oh and Dodo, now she hears the singing, doesn't she?
• 27:44
  Do you know who sings the song with the Ballad of the Last
• 27:46
  Chance Saloon? I can't, I can't remember her
• 27:50
  name, but I don't know if the name is the name significant?
• 27:53
  Yes, because. You would have seen her in a new
• 27:56
  series episode, but probably not one you'd want to remember.
• 28:01
  She plays the lady who works in the shop in closing time who
• 28:07
  thinks that Matt Smith and James Corden are a gay couple.
• 28:10
  Of course, isn't she? Is she also this is this might
• 28:14
  be my my she also that character that that the actor is Linda
• 28:20
  Baron, isn't it? Isn't she also from Come Outside
• 28:23
  enough? It's I think she hosted Come
• 28:26
  Outside, which for me as a child, that's the informative
• 28:29
  kids TVI. Mean.
• 28:31
  I mostly remember her as Captain Rack in Enlightenment.
• 28:34
  The evil pirate woman. In Oh yeah of course see the
• 28:38
  only surviving the surviving footage of the sandwiches we've
• 28:41
  got there, which is always nice to see keep.
• 28:43
  Going fuck a duck. No, they're shovelling the
• 28:47
  shovelling the film into the furnace as we speak.
• 28:50
  It's why I always it's why if I always want, well, not everyone,
• 28:53
  I suppose, but why it'd be really nice to get it'd be nice
• 28:55
  to get all the stories back, but it'd be nice to get episode 1 of
• 28:58
  Celestia toy maker that has footage from the massacre and
• 29:03
  some other things like, well, it's got it's got a master plan
• 29:05
  footage in it, doesn't it as well?
• 29:07
  Because Stephen says, hey, look, there's me on Kemble.
• 29:09
  Do you know why? Earlier after we managed to
• 29:11
  successfully talk about almost every single William Hartnell
• 29:15
  story there. So we've hit our brief.
• 29:18
  And we actually talked about the gunfighters at the end.
• 29:21
  We did, We did. I thought you'd be quite
• 29:22
  surprised, actually. I think we managed to touch it
• 29:24
  at least 10 minutes per episode. There's at least 40 minutes of
• 29:27
  the gunfighters in there, more than the sensor rights.
• 29:33
  Before we depart, we need to elucidate our three fabulous
• 29:38
  reasons that we would recommend that whoever's listening to
• 29:41
  right now press stop, go straight to their shelf and puts
• 29:45
  the gunfighters on. If you go 1st and then I'll go
• 29:48
  next and then we'll go back and forth.
• 29:51
  OK, the first one for me, and it's the most obvious one, is
• 29:56
  the humor. I think it is dreadfully funny.
• 29:59
  I think sometimes I love, I love the science fiction stories, but
• 30:03
  I think sometimes they can just get a little bogged down in
• 30:06
  technicalities and science stuff.
• 30:08
  And you know, again, if you listen to the Season 5, we've
• 30:12
  got 2 Vargas and a Marga. They're so sometimes it all just
• 30:15
  gets a little bit planet BLOB from the whatever.
• 30:17
  And it's so refreshing to just have very, very witty scripting
• 30:23
  and also brilliant physical comedic acting.
• 30:27
  And it's it's nice, nice to be able to see.
• 30:29
  I think you should take the opportunity to be able to enjoy
• 30:31
  the fact that you can watch William Hartl doing very good
• 30:34
  physical comedy because one of the only surviving stories from
• 30:37
  this season. So that's going to be my reason.
• 30:40
  My first one that I've got a sort of segue from that to mine,
• 30:44
  which is William Hartnell himself.
• 30:46
  And something you said in episode 1 is that he's, you
• 30:49
  know, way more comfortable doing historicals and comedy, that he
• 30:54
  is doing sort of earnest science fiction or when he has to say a
• 30:57
  load of technobably gobbledygook.
• 31:01
  And he's just sublimely. I mean, we've pointed out quite
• 31:04
  a few times where he's made us laugh to, you know, holding them
• 31:07
  all up at the bar, putting his hand on the body, disgusting
• 31:11
  habits, you know, all of this, Mr. Werp, It just gives him
• 31:15
  countless opportunities to do what he does best, which is
• 31:18
  great comedy. So William Hartnell was my first
• 31:21
  thing. My second, and I think it's
• 31:24
  something actually that I'm going to have to thank Joe for,
• 31:29
  that is, is just the technical aspects of the story.
• 31:32
  I always watched it and I I have always enjoyed it and found it
• 31:34
  funny, and that's kind of why I liked it.
• 31:37
  But until really watching it, I hadn't actually quite taken into
• 31:40
  appreciation just how impressive everything is.
• 31:44
  I mean, I always knew that the set is the set is incredible.
• 31:48
  The ambition is insane. But yeah, the camera moves and
• 31:52
  the thing that the the way Rex Tucker directs the story is just
• 31:56
  sublime and so, so difficult to pull off and I think just makes
• 32:00
  it a joy to watch personally. My second thing then, in this
• 32:05
  madly experimental season is the song which no other Doctor Who
• 32:13
  story is narrated by. Technically terrible song, but
• 32:21
  it does tell the story, right? It really does.
• 32:23
  It does guide you through the story and it provides extra
• 32:27
  laughs during really dark moments.
• 32:29
  It's curtains for Charlie after he's just been shot dead.
• 32:34
  So I just, I just think, and that's something that really
• 32:37
  people point out and say This is why This is a Dog.
• 32:40
  Isn't that song. It doesn't grate on me, that
• 32:43
  song at all. I must say I never really found
• 32:45
  it. I don't know.
• 32:45
  I don't find it to be irritating.
• 32:47
  I don't, you know, sometimes it's a little inappropriate, but
• 32:51
  yeah, it doesn't never rub me the wrong way personally.
• 32:53
  Should you ever think that Linda Baron is not given a good
• 32:56
  attempt, may I please direct you all back to episode 1 where
• 33:00
  Elliot and I sung the song and that's what you could have had
• 33:03
  for 4 episodes, all right? Could have really hard not
• 33:06
  trying to do it actually. I'd like to hear that.
• 33:10
  I would like to hear that for me, the 3rd I'm going to be a
• 33:14
  bit cheeky here because there are a lot of things that I could
• 33:16
  espouse about why this is great, but I'm going to say look, it's
• 33:20
  three-part it's four parts. Sorry, it's four parts in a
• 33:24
  season that has, you know, a a brilliant 12 or 13 to predicate
• 33:30
  what you think you know, darling, master plan and in
• 33:32
  seasons to come, which we have sort of end the six past.
• 33:35
  Sometimes it's just nice to put on a really concise 4 four
• 33:38
  episode story. You're in and out.
• 33:40
  It's only a couple of hours and you can just watch it in an
• 33:43
  evening and have fun. And I have the attention span
• 33:46
  for longer parts, but sometimes it is just nice to you have to
• 33:51
  put it on and just enjoy it I think.
• 33:53
  You know, when we was enduring or one of those six parts in the
• 33:55
  Strictly Season 5. I mean, imagine if we'd had a
• 33:58
  couple of four parts in there, it would have been lovely.
• 34:00
  It would have been really, it would have been really nice.
• 34:02
  Yeah. I love the gunfire.
• 34:03
  Imagine the gunfires as the six parter.
• 34:06
  I I'm going to say something now that's going to really shock
• 34:10
  everybody, but my last reason is Dodo.
• 34:13
  OK. And just deal with it,
• 34:15
  everybody, because Jackie Lane does exactly what you want at
• 34:19
  the start of a comedy West. And she comes out and goes, my
• 34:21
  God, I'm in the Wild West. Yippee.
• 34:23
  You know, And she wants to hang out with Calamity Jane and Sam
• 34:27
  Bass. She's playing on the piano.
• 34:29
  She's abducted by Doc Holiday. She holds him hostage.
• 34:33
  She's involved with the the finale.
• 34:35
  She's responsible for Johnny Ringo's death.
• 34:39
  I mean, she's all over the story.
• 34:40
  And do you know, this is one of the very rare 60 stories where
• 34:46
  you can see photographs of the rehearsals?
• 34:49
  There's pictures in the rehearsal room of this one.
• 34:51
  And it feels like they're having the best time putting this
• 34:54
  together. And Jackie Lane looks like she's
• 34:56
  having the best time of everybody.
• 34:57
  So I know a lot of people don't rate dodo, but sometimes
• 35:01
  enthusiasm can get you a long way and in a comedy it gets you
• 35:05
  really far. So dodo.
• 35:09
  It's insanely my last reason. I think that can be sort of
• 35:15
  unspoken for sometimes when when we're going back and looking at
• 35:18
  them, especially in hindsight. And it's I know that it is being
• 35:21
  made for the audience, but I think their their schedules are
• 35:24
  so gruelling and so nightmarish to work through.
• 35:29
  And yeah, this is this is William Hartnell's third year
• 35:32
  going at it. And I think sometimes just for
• 35:34
  the cast, it's nice that they've got a four episode comedy set in
• 35:38
  the Wild West again. So that William Hartnell wanted
• 35:41
  to do, you know, it was kind of there to keep him sweet.
• 35:43
  And if Jackie Lane's enjoying herself and Peter Purves is
• 35:46
  enjoying himself and William Hartnell is enjoying himself, I
• 35:48
  think that comes across on the screen.
• 35:49
  And I'm just glad that they didn't have to sort of endure, I
• 35:52
  don't know, another 12 weeks of doing something like Master Plan
• 35:55
  I. Mean super rare to have a story
• 35:58
  in the 60s where someone doesn't have a week off.
• 36:01
  Yeah, everybody's there. Yeah, William Hartnell doesn't
• 36:04
  turn invisible halfway through the story.
• 36:07
  Well, we was going to talk about the Ark, wasn't we?
• 36:09
  You and I, as are into talking about the Hartnell era.
• 36:13
  I'm kind of pleased because he switched to the gunfire.
• 36:17
  I like the Ark a lot. Yeah, I love, I love the Ark,
• 36:20
  but I think it's one of those stories that it, it is quite,
• 36:26
  it's almost sort of typical 60s sci-fi Doctor Who.
• 36:30
  And it is very enjoyable and there's lots to talk about.
• 36:32
  But I feel like it's had a bit of a reappraise and some people
• 36:35
  really don't like it, but some people do like it.
• 36:37
  But you never hear anybody talk anything nice about the gunfires
• 36:39
  at all. So finding out that we both had
• 36:41
  a love of the gunfires to laugh away.
• 36:44
  Through it. Although, you know, we were
• 36:45
  talking about the earnest science fiction.
• 36:47
  There's nothing more earnest than that fella in the arc.
• 36:50
  Listen to him, my people. You know the one in episode 1?
• 36:53
  Oh man, he's terrible. I do and I, I I do love the I
• 36:57
  find the the monoids are adorable and ridiculous, and
• 37:00
  again, it's everything that I love in Doctor Who.
• 37:02
  If you can't quite. Long You know, you could maybe
• 37:04
  I'm quite a good We put a ping pong ball on your foreheads.
• 37:07
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:12
  Take him to the security kitchen.
• 37:15
  Well look, before we go very quickly, will you please tell
• 37:19
  everybody once again where they can find you elsewhere and about
• 37:23
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• 37:26
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• 37:29
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• 37:35
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• 37:41
  Anywhere where you find your podcasts.
• 37:43
  Yeah, Amazon. So many, so, so many places with
• 37:48
  my wonderful Co host Dan, We talk about an episode of Dogs
• 37:52
  who every other week and we analyse it and we laugh about
• 37:57
  it, we reminisce about it and we also mostly talk about how gay
• 38:02
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• 38:09
  We we really like doing it. It's always just unfair.
• 38:11
  We don't take ourselves very seriously.
• 38:13
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• 38:17
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• 38:19
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• 38:22
  But if there's reasons why we're not uploading episodes or
• 38:24
  something's happening, you know, that's the main place you can go
• 38:27
  to. But we do also do a cinema
• 38:29
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• 38:30
  because have only just launched it, so we'd like more people to
• 38:34
  go over there. It's called Surfing Cinema and
• 38:38
  we just talk about any movie we feel like talking about in
• 38:41
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• 38:44
  springboard into actually finding new films, because I'm
• 38:48
  sure you'll be talking about films that I've never seen.
• 38:50
  We've just done. Let's see, we've we've done.
• 38:53
  Yeah, we did. We did the we did X Maxine and
• 38:58
  Pearl, and then we did Wicked and we did The Wizard of Oz.
• 39:03
  And we've done a thing about how people are absolute twats at the
• 39:06
  cinema bar these days. And probably in this, our most
• 39:10
  recent episode should be on Nosferatu.
• 39:14
  The most recent Nosferatu. So I mean.
• 39:16
  Of all of those, I've only seen two of them and then the two
• 39:19
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• 39:21
  We like to, sometimes we do new releases, sometimes we do older
• 39:24
  things. Sometimes we just talk about
• 39:25
  what we want to, whatever we want to talk about.
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  You know, it's the same kind of thing with with coming upon.
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  We're not, we're not married anymore really to a, a linearity
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  in a format. We just, you know, it's our
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  podcast. We talk about what we want to
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  talk about. We're not married to the
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  linearity there speaks a true Doctor Who fan.
• 39:47
  It's a it's a better way of saying timey wimey, which I
• 39:49
  refuse to say for reasons. Please do refine when saying
• 39:53
  that. But, you know, you said at the
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  start of that little biog there that for those people that want
• 40:00
  to hear more, well, I do want to hear more of you.
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  And we've already got a path ahead of us.
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  Please, will you tell everybody where we're going next so we can
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  explore the entirety of the Second Doctor 0?
• 40:14
  Oh, absolutely. And I am.
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  I'm just going to you. Forgot myself.
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  Have you? Have you?
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  I mean, well, do you want me to do?
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  I can. I was going to say I was going
• 40:23
  to go through all of them, but do you want me to just say the
• 40:25
  Second Doctor's one or do you? Want me to say yeah, no, let's
• 40:27
  let's do it at the end of each one?
• 40:29
  OK, that's all right. That's all right.
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  I know what one is. I know what one it is because
• 40:32
  it's the macroto. That's easy.
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  OK, I thought I was going to go for all of them.
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  I was like, hang on, let me just double check.
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  That's the way. Well, this is gay.
• 40:39
  Yes. So next time, say as a as a, as
• 40:42
  a springboard to just really complained and talk about the
• 40:45
  Second Doctor's era, we're going to talk about the macro terror,
• 40:49
  a brilliant, brilliant story from again, powder dry, but
• 40:53
  Second Doctor's best season, which is season 4.
• 40:56
  Can you do the Harlem Fling? If I try hard enough.
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  We were killed. Well, I do have Scottish lineage
• 41:04
  so I probably should at some .0. My God.
• 41:06
  Well then, everybody prepare yourselves for the TikTok
• 41:09
  footage that's now going to come out of the hump.
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  No, I got no time for that. No, but if you're all lucky,
• 41:15
  maybe a bit of rough and tumble. You know what, I'm going to cut
• 41:21
  it there. Always good to run with an
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  innuendo. Thank you very much for your
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  time today. It's been an absolute.
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  I mean, we've been going for four hours.
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  It's been an absolute. Pleasure I had.
• 41:30
  I had great fun. Thank you.
• 41:32
  It's really good. Until we head to the unnamed
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  colony of we haven't got a fucking clue what planet is on
• 41:38
  either, but there's going to be cheerleading and a lot of crabs.