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11-11-26 Hour 1 - Broncos trade for a LB/Avs win in Toronto, HUGE NHL hit/NFL Trade Deadline moves · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: This is Mosher, Lombardi, and Kane on demand.
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  Speaker 1: The clock will hit zero, and the Avalanche will get
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  Speaker 1: two points again on the road in Toronto. Final score
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  Speaker 1: from Leafland.
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  Speaker 2: The Leafs are falling off the trees outside, and they
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  Speaker 2: fall tonight inside Scotiabank Arena.
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  Speaker 1: 6-3 Avalanche get the win in Ontario. Maple Leaf fans
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  Speaker 1: are going to murder somebody. There's not a more unhinged
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  Speaker 1: fan base in sports than Toronto, and they've now lost
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  Speaker 1: four straight at home.
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  Speaker 2: At home.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to the Colorado Avalanche getting a win last night.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Mosher, Lombardi, and Kane on this Wednesday, November
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  Speaker 1: the 11th. Happy Veterans Day. Hug a veteran. Brett Kane
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  Speaker 1: is out. I'm Mark Bertinelli. We're joined by.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on now. This is an important thing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: It's important.
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  Speaker 1: What is important?
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  Speaker 2: Number one, your father made a career in the military. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: he did. Full bird colonel. Yep. In the United States Army. So,
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  Speaker 2: thank you, Mr. Bertinelli, for your.
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  Speaker 1: He's in Texas yelling at squirrels right now, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably is, for your service. My old man, of course,
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  Speaker 2: was in the military as well. He was a weapons
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  Speaker 2: guy on the USS Coral Sea back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: How come you didn't enlist then, Moshe? Because that's the
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  Speaker 1: question I always get when people find out my dad
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  Speaker 1: was a full bird and then my grandfather was in
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  Speaker 1: the military. Like, how come you didn't? So why didn't you, man?
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  Speaker 1: Why didn't you serve?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a great question. If I could
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  Speaker 2: go back in time and serve, I probably would, Bert,
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  Speaker 2: to be honest with you. Because, as you know, I
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  Speaker 2: have many, many friends in the military.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure you would have made it.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'd like to. But but, you know, taking
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  Speaker 2: the veterans over to to Normandy every year for for
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  Speaker 2: so many years and so on. Anyway, all you veterans
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  Speaker 2: out there and people get Veterans Day Memorial Day confused.
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  Speaker 2: Veterans Day is for anybody who serve men, women, doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: And thank you for your service. Appreciate it. Memorial Day
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  Speaker 2: is for those who paid the ultimate price and ultimate
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  Speaker 2: sacrifice for our country. So that's different. Nonetheless, that's in May. Nonetheless,
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  Speaker 2: happy Veterans Day to everybody out there, and thank you
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  Speaker 2: for your service. Good morning, boys, here in Toronto. Wait,
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  Speaker 2: you're still in Toronto? I thought you were in Ottawa, brother.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to leave here. In fact, I'll miss the
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  Speaker 2: last segment of the program. I've got to hit the bus,
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  Speaker 2: and we've got to get to Ottawa. But I'll say this.
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  Speaker 2: One thing I do learn on the road, and I
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  Speaker 2: like to learn, Vic. Good morning, Vic. How are you?
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  Speaker 3: This has been a rough opening segment already.
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  Speaker 2: It has been. Okay, well, we're thanking our veterans, so
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  Speaker 2: that's not very rough. Across the street, they're turning this
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  Speaker 2: old giant house into a commercial space, at least I
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  Speaker 2: can see on the signs. And there's a truck parked
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  Speaker 2: across the street that says, demolition experts. Well, it's amazing
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  Speaker 2: in a big city how early you can start demolishing things,
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  Speaker 2: number one. Demolition experts, and they're going for it. Number two,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't realize today was garbage day in Toronto. And
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  Speaker 2: apparently our hotel here has like 87 dumpsters. And the
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  Speaker 2: building across the street's got like five dumpsters. And 645
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  Speaker 2: in the morning, man, that truck is dumpstering. I mean, bam,
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  Speaker 2: it's just. Just crazy stuff. Nonetheless, it's all solved by
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  Speaker 2: a 6-3 win last night.
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  Speaker 3: Did you think that story was going to make the
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  Speaker 3: segment better?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was rough, man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it did make the story better. Yeah, dude,
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  Speaker 2: because I've been up now for about two hours and
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  Speaker 2: 15 minutes because of demolition and garbage day. It's great.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Grandpa, let's get you to bed.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, you know what, Vic, let's hear from
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  Speaker 1: the voice of reason. Tell me about the NFA tread deadline.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think about the– did you think that
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  Speaker 1: the Broncos were going to go for the offensive side
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  Speaker 1: of the ball and then instead they pick up Henley
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  Speaker 1: from the Chargers?
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 4: You know, as much as I'm perplexed, I'm not surprised.
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  Speaker 4: I sort of saw this happen. Like, okay, they're going
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  Speaker 4: to get somebody, but watch. They're going to get somebody
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  Speaker 4: on the defensive side. I think the Broncos are leaning
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  Speaker 4: into what they do best. And what they do best
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  Speaker 4: is on the defensive end. So they figure, well, let's
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  Speaker 4: just keep doing that. Let's add some more depth there.
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  Speaker 4: Let's add a tackler. Let's add a guy who can run.
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  Speaker 4: Let's add somebody who can anchor that defense a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: This is a good player behind you. This is a
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  Speaker 4: really good player. Now, am I upset that they didn't
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  Speaker 4: add an offensive stalwart?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am.
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  Speaker 4: But at the same time, they did something. They didn't
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  Speaker 4: sit back. They did something so that something serves a purpose.
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  Speaker 4: They added some depth to their defense.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think they wouldn't give up on a first?
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  Speaker 1: Did they think that Jonathan Taylor wasn't worth a first? Or,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just too expensive? I mean, they're
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  Speaker 1: still playing it. Listen, Vic, there is a reason Calvin
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  Speaker 1: Booth is no longer working in the NBA, and it's
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  Speaker 1: because Calvin Booth kept thinking about a year or two
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  Speaker 1: down the road instead of right damn now, is the
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  Speaker 1: Broncos falling into the same trap? Or is this a
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  Speaker 1: completely different scenario?
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  Speaker 4: I would respectfully disagree with that. I think Calvin Booth's
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  Speaker 4: problem was he gave up too much for the picks
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  Speaker 4: that he thought were valuable. I mean, he gave up
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  Speaker 4: way too many assets, and it cost the Nuggets dearly
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  Speaker 4: down the line. I mean, the assets he gave up
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  Speaker 4: to trade some of the players he traded, the assets
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  Speaker 4: he gave up to move up and get to Ron Holmes,
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  Speaker 4: the contract to Zeke Nagy. He lived in the here
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  Speaker 4: and now a little too much and gave up a lot.
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  Speaker 4: I think the Broncos, maybe they thought Jonathan Taylor's price
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  Speaker 4: tag was just prohibitive to the point where, man, it's
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  Speaker 4: not worth the salary we have to pay him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what, Vic and Berto? The Broncos weren't
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  Speaker 2: the only team in on Jonathan Taylor. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts had a lot of inquisitive minds asking about him.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody pulled the trigger on it. Because apparently, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you can only deduce that, yes, the asking price was
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  Speaker 2: way over the top. And did they really, truly want
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  Speaker 2: to move him? I think it's one of those cases
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  Speaker 2: where he's a valuable piece. And if we don't get
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  Speaker 2: what we want for him, if we don't get the
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  Speaker 2: moon for him, then we're just simply not going to
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  Speaker 2: move him. And that's okay with us. I'm sure that's
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  Speaker 2: the way the Colts thought about it. So not only
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  Speaker 2: did the Broncos not trade for him, nobody else traded
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  Speaker 2: for him either. And he's going to stay with the
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  Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts. Vic, you're right. They're leaning into what they
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  Speaker 2: do best, the defensive side of the football. I just
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  Speaker 2: would have liked to see some sort of offensive weapon
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  Speaker 2: come here. You know, just some sort of something to
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  Speaker 2: keep up with the Joneses a little bit. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, what they're doing now is working. I
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  Speaker 2: just would like to have a little reassurance for the future,
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  Speaker 2: I suppose.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted some depth, at least, in the offensive zone.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand why they couldn't make a move to
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  Speaker 4: at least get a piece back there that could help
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  Speaker 4: down the stretch. I don't know, man. Valuing those picks
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  Speaker 4: is important when you're a team that's developing. But this
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  Speaker 4: team's already developed. We've already made that statement. This team's
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  Speaker 4: already there. This team's already on the precipice. They're on
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  Speaker 4: the doorstep. You know, like Jacksonville. Jacksonville's developed.
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  Speaker 2: What'd they do?
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  Speaker 3: They went out and got pieces.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right?
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  Speaker 4: They were very close to the vests with these picks.
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  Speaker 4: And if they had to overpay for one, I'm good
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  Speaker 4: with that. Are you guys good with that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Are you guys good with overpaying at this point?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it ain't my picks and it ain't my money.
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  Speaker 1: But it's... Okay, well, let me ask you this, Vic.
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  Speaker 2: And most... So, this was the.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me make sure I got the number right.
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  Speaker 1: This was the fourth most active trade deadline in NFL history.
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  Speaker 1: During the in-season moves, we had 18 in-season moves. Now,
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  Speaker 1: of those moves, only two teams spent a first-round pick
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  Speaker 1: to make a trade. Matter of fact, the Bears spent two,
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  Speaker 1: and the Jacksonville Jaguars spent one first-round pick. Both those trades...
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  Speaker 1: were for defensive players. That was Jordan Davers and Jeffrey Simmons.
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  Speaker 1: So is the offensive side of the ball, is there
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  Speaker 1: just not a first-round pick out there? I mean, a
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  Speaker 1: first-round level of talent on.
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  Speaker 2: The offensive side of the ball? I would argue to
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  Speaker 2: you that both those other teams that you're just talking about,
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  Speaker 2: the first-round picks, they both have pretty killer offenses.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right on that. You're right. But of all
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  Speaker 1: the teams in the league, the only time people use
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  Speaker 1: the first-round pick is to get better on the defensive
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  Speaker 1: side of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, well, because they needed to, because their offenses
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  Speaker 2: already kick ass, because their offenses already can put up
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  Speaker 2: a ton of points, right? The Broncos did the inverse.
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  Speaker 2: So these teams are like, listen, our offenses are pretty
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  Speaker 2: damn good. I mean, Caleb Williams and Trevor Lawrence are
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  Speaker 2: having seasons, right? So, okay, cool. We'll go shore up
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  Speaker 2: the other side of the football and become a more
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  Speaker 2: balanced team. The Broncos are like, look, our offense ain't
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  Speaker 2: that great. Not right now. But it's getting better. It's
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  Speaker 2: getting better. It's inching towards getting better. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you say that? What makes you think that?
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  Speaker 1: What makes you think that it's getting better?
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  Speaker 2: Well, because they're actually scoring points. And, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: actually are putting the ball in the air a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And it's not all happening in the fourth quarter. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they're scoring points in the first half. Okay, good. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just saying, they went inverse and said, like Vic just
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  Speaker 2: talked about, our defense is awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Let's just get one more defense player. They basically added
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  Speaker 4: another feather in that cap. But I also would love
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  Speaker 4: to hear that conversation that's taking place in the executive
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  Speaker 4: offices over there. So, George Payton calls John Payton. Hey,
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  Speaker 4: we got this dude ready to roll. We're thinking about
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  Speaker 4: giving up a first and a seventh.
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  Speaker 3: I think my offense is getting.
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  Speaker 2: better.
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  Speaker 4: I think my offense is good. I think my offense,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying? I just think he's, I
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  Speaker 4: think Sean at some point is so protective of his offense.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: That is interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I think that plays a role in this. I really do.
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  Speaker 3: That's his baby.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: And he loves those guys except for maybe the running
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  Speaker 1: back room outside of Jonah, but, and you, you didn't
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  Speaker 1: improve that. You didn't improve.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, man, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: I guess, let me ask you this question. Was it,
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  Speaker 1: was it more interesting that the Broncos didn't make a
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  Speaker 1: trade on the offensive side of the ball or that
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  Speaker 1: they were getting calls on Evan Ingram? They almost traded
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  Speaker 1: away an offensive piece on that side. I mean, what
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  Speaker 1: would have been more surprising to you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, if you don't use a guy and you trade
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  Speaker 4: them away, you got to replace the position at some point. Again,
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  Speaker 4: I am not sitting here, I'm not shell-shocked or surprised.
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  Speaker 3: They added a player.
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  Speaker 4: And the fact they added a player to the defensive
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  Speaker 4: side at the beginning of the season, before the season started,
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  Speaker 4: would you have been surprised that the Broncos add a linebacker?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: Right? Because that was a position. Yeah, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: so either.
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  Speaker 3: They just did it mid-season.
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  Speaker 2: They did it mid-season, that's all. Which is fine. I
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  Speaker 2: guess the question that can only be paid off with
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  Speaker 2: an answer way down the line is, did they do enough?
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  Speaker 2: Is this enough to compete with the Bills and the
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  Speaker 2: Jags and the Bengals or whomever is going to be
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  Speaker 2: there at the end with you? Because the Broncos will
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  Speaker 2: be there at the end. They're going to be– I
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  Speaker 2: think they're going to win the division. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: said that after they beat Kansas City, the division's been
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  Speaker 2: wrapped up. At least that's my opinion. And they're going
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  Speaker 2: to be there. They're going to be a force in
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  Speaker 2: the postseason. So are you going to be good enough
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  Speaker 2: to beat those other teams? We won't know until we
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  Speaker 2: get the payoff.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting thing about Henley, the linebacker they traded for, is
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  Speaker 4: that he actually started his football career as a wide receiver.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how many guys go from receiver... To backer.
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  Speaker 3: To linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. None that I've ever heard in my entire life.
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  Speaker 2: You can go from receiver to DB. I've seen that happen.
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  Speaker 1: Is this a rental or are they going to pay
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  Speaker 1: him after this year?
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  Speaker 2: We'll find out. Yeah, he's making five mil. And he's
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  Speaker 2: probably going to want a raise.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to get a big raise.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's that good. So Jonathan Taylor was the best offensive
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  Speaker 1: player available. You decided not to do it. Is there
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  Speaker 1: any other of, like, what happens if the Cardinals would
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  Speaker 1: have lost their damn mind and said, yeah, we'll give
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  Speaker 1: you Trey. What would the Broncos would have spent on that?
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  Speaker 2: Dude, I would have taken whatever body part you want
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  Speaker 2: to get rid of. And I would have. I would
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  Speaker 2: have taken, I would have sold your kidneys. What's the difference?
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  Speaker 2: I would have sold your kidneys.
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  Speaker 1: You tell me the difference between like, yes, we'll give
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  Speaker 1: you two firsts and a second or whatever for McBride,
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  Speaker 1: and we won't give you a first or a second
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  Speaker 1: for Jonathan Taylor.
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  Speaker 4: I think what the trade deadline told me and told
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  Speaker 4: all of us is that their rationale inside headquarters over there,
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  Speaker 4: they're not as worried about the offense as we are.
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  Speaker 4: They're not as, they don't react the same way we do.
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  Speaker 4: They probably see some things that are happening behind the
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  Speaker 4: scenes and say, okay, it's going to.
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  Speaker 2: Be better here. We're going to be better.
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  Speaker 3: Or, or, listen, Sean Payton's an offensive guy. Sean Payton
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  Speaker 3: makes the final call. Sean Payton has fingers on the button.
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  Speaker 3: He's the guy who pushes the buttons.
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  Speaker 4: He is so enamored with his offense and his system,
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  Speaker 4: he just refused to make a move there.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think you can look at it either way,
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  Speaker 1: where Sean Payton is confident the offense is going to
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  Speaker 1: get better, or Sean Payton is confident they couldn't find
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  Speaker 1: an offensive player to raise all boats when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to Bo and the rest. Bo's limitations doesn't allow you
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  Speaker 1: to trade for Jonathan Taylor and hand that dude the
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  Speaker 1: ball 20 times.
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  Speaker 4: Somebody from Elizabeth, Colorado chimes in with this. Vic, you're
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  Speaker 4: not shell-shocked, but perplexed. There's always contradictions with Vic. Can
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  Speaker 4: you explain the difference to that person, the difference between
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  Speaker 4: shell-shocked and perplexed? Just a little definition this morning for
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  Speaker 4: the person in Elizabeth.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, shell-shocked means, by the way, I love Elizabeth, Colorado.
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  Speaker 2: It's a quaint little country town.
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  Speaker 4: We used to play Elizabeth High School all the time,
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  Speaker 4: and we handed it to them every time we played them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's because they don't have a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: of people out there. They got more now. The point
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  Speaker 2: is this, is that shell shock means you're absolutely stupefied
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  Speaker 2: as a human being. On the floor, like, yeah. Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: It's that song from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle movie.
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  Speaker 2: Now, give this person the definition of perplexed. Perplexed is like, hmm,
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  Speaker 2: it's just a little inquisitive. You know, it's a little confusing,
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  Speaker 2: you know. Shell shock means your whole world's been turned
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  Speaker 2: upside down. Perplexed is like, hmm, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 4: That is what the Broncos have done to my brain
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  Speaker 4: at this trade deadline. I'm not shocked that they made
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  Speaker 4: a trade for a defensive player. I think a lot
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  Speaker 4: of us would have probably said, yeah, typical. I'm a little,
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  Speaker 4: I guess, frustrated that they didn't do anything to improve
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  Speaker 4: the offense.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a better word? Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Get a head start on your holiday shopping with Nate
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: and Andy today at Rally House in Westminster. They've got
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  Speaker 1: an outrageous selection of Broncos, Nuggets, Abs, and Bubs gears.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait. Do you say Westminster? Yeah. Westminster. No, Westminster. Westminster. No,
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  Speaker 2: there's no minister. No, no, no. Westminster.
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  Speaker 1: That's how you say minister, right? There's like three syllables
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  Speaker 1: in there.
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  Speaker 2: It's M-I-N-S-T. Westminster. Westminster. Minister. There's no extra. You're screwing
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  Speaker 2: it up. There's no extra I in there, bro.
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  Speaker 1: win only on Altitude Sports Radio. 92.5. Welcome back. The
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Abs last night got a win in Toronto.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Moj.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: Give us a little breakdown. The Avs trailed, then ripped
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: off a couple of goals. Then Toronto comes back and
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: ties it, and then the Avs rip off three straight.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: What did you see for your local hockey club last night?
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a very professional win last night.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: You knew there was going to be some pushback. It's 3-1.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: There's going to be some pushback by the Maple Leafs.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: As far as Blackwood is concerned, Bertag, the second goal
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: for the Leafs, The one that slipped inside the post.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's there. He's a big goalie. And when
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: you're a big fella, you're going to have a little
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: bit more gappage at times. I'm not making excuses, but
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: he was in perfect. It wasn't like he blew it.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: He's against the post. He's got everything covered. His glove
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: hand is down. The cheater is there. There's just a
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: spot about the size of a puck by his hip.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: And dude, Cowan could shoot that out another hundred times
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: and not score. And it finds that hole. Okay. I
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: didn't like the third goal, the Roslevic goal. I didn't
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: like the five-hole being opened up there. You got to
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: keep that close. I mean, he knows that and so on.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: But it was a professional win because as soon as
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: they tied the game, that Landy, Kadri, and Waugh line
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: last night, guys, was really good.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Kadri's been great of late.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: He's turned up his game.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: You could tell the last couple weeks. You are correct.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Do you have a reason why, Moshe? Why do you
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: think Nas has suddenly caught fire?
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I go back to the movie Stripes. I'm pacing myself, Sergeant.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I notice you're always last. Well, I'm pacing myself. I
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: just think that, again, not a long training camp, and
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: you get into the season, and the whole team has
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: been sleepy at times. Well, that line, as soon as
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: the Maple Leafs tied it up, they said, all right,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: enough of this crap. They charge into the zone. The
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: shot is ricocheted over the top of the net, but
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: they're crashing in. Cadry retrieves. What a perfect pass through
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the crease to Landy. Bangs it home. And that's all
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: she wrote from that point on. They locked it up
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: and sucked it up. It was just a good professional
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: win last night. Good professional.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Enjoyed that greasy goal by Landy. Just crashing the net.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Greasy goals like that. Those are the best.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: And you know what, Vic? Everybody loves a pretty goal.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Everybody loves a beautiful breakaway top shelf.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Greasy goals means everybody's engaged.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're 100% correct, man. When you're crashing down there,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and you're like, I'm going to get me some in
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the greasy, dirty, filthy pig area, that makes you feel
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: good because you know those guys want it, and they're
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: digging for it. And that's exactly what happened. Good stuff.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was terrific. And then the Lekanen goal
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: at 17-15, so they.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: McCarr comes in with Lekanen. I mean, Arturi Lekanen, dude,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: he buried that son of a gun. I mean, he
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: absolute rocket right along the ice, and that's all she wrote. And,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: of course, Nate just with the empty netter. But it
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: was good stuff. That's a professional win. Great way to
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: start the road trip.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: They just did to Toronto what Toronto did to them
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: here in Colorado a month ago.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: That is correct. And it's funny, 13 different players had
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: a point last night. 13 different players.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Well, Mo, let me ask you this.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Not one of them was named Nathan McKinnon, which is
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: crazy because he loves to play the Maple Leafs.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this. Nas Kadri, Brock Nelson,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Kale McCarr, Parker Kelly, Nicholas Waugh, none of them can
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: score goals like Devontae's is scoring goals.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: What is going on?
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Devontae's has got six goals, brother.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: What is going on?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Is he going in this? He's going to have more
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: goals than he's ever scored in his career, obviously, if
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: he keeps doing it like this. What's going on with Taylor?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Man well you know I Bert last year was a
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: tough year for him I mean he had he had
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: an injury to start and so on and so forth
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: and and it's just I mean overall off defensively Devontae's
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: is always going to be good boys when I tell
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: you he's got maybe I don't know if it's the
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: best stick in the NHL but he's got an unbelievably
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: good stick He's so good with it. It's a long stick.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: His timing is perfect. He's just so damn good. He's
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: such a good defender. Offensively last year wasn't so great
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: for him. Vic, you ready for this? Lombardi, listen to
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: my face. Last year he had 24 points the entire season.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Three goals. Right now he's got six goals and he's
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: got 18 points already. That's why Bednar broke him and
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Kiel McCarr up, separated them for the most part. I mean,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: they still play together in certain situations, but he's like, look,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I'm going to balance this out because when one is
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: doing this, the other one's kind of bad. He goes,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I want both of these guys to be going. Smart
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: move by the coach. He's just come out like gangbusters
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and playing great hockey. I don't know. And by the way, defensively, man,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: this guy is just so good. He's just so damn good.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: His legs are moving well. His position is good. His
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: compete is great. Now, offensively, you're starting to chime in
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: with all this stuff? Hell yeah. Let's go get it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Last night in the NHL, there was a couple of
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: interesting things that I want to get your opinion on, Moj.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: One was, listen, are you down for all the, like,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: drama that the NHL has kind of embraced? Like, listen,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Hellebuck is talking about his emotions in a press conference.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Ten years ago, I'd never imagine an NHL player talking
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: about his emotions in a press conference. And you got
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: all the things going on with the Jets and the Devils,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and Winnipeg wins that thing last night. The Canadians and
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Wild play a crazy game. They have an– I mean,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: they celebrate Carey Price. They had the whole big ceremony
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Then Minnesota wins it, and the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Wild are going crazy. They now lead or tie for
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: the most points in the NHL. But, Moj, if Chikrin
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: hit Vic the way he hit Cousins last night.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, God. Death.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, he erased that dude. Like, he almost obliterated
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that man last night.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: That was so violent to me. It was hard to watch.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: It was so viral.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: And then, like, did Cousins, was he knocked out immediately?
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Because he goes down and does not move.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I think he was knocked out by the hit rather
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: than his head against the glass.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: It lights out immediately.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: So you asked me the question, if Chikorin hit Vic
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: like that, I'd probably buy him a steak dinner. I'd
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: be appreciative of it. Dude, I'm not sure that I've ever,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen violent hits in this league, especially
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: boys back in the day. When you could go for
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the head, you could lay guys out. The Scott Stevens
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: hit on Eric Lindros is still etched in my mind from, golly,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: you know, 20, 27 years ago or whatever it was.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Changed Lindros' career. It did. But this hit was, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: that would be an incredibly dirty hit and Stevens would
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: be suspended nowadays. This hit by Chikrin was clean. Yeah.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And Cousins, he was wheeling up the board. Tell me
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: what makes it clean. Well, it was just shoulder to body.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: It wasn't, there's no headshot or anything like that. But,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: excuse me, think about the amount of inertia that Chikorin
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: has to have to, because Cousins was elevated. He was perpendicular. Yeah. Okay.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, he hit him so hard. Yeah. He went,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: he went. Completely lateral.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he erased gravity.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: He hit him so hard. Steve, put it in the background.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Gravity just disappeared.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: He hit him so hard. Yeah, he defied the laws
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: of physics.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen a hit like that in... Five,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: ten years in the NHL?
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: The guy who gets hit has to be in that
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: perfect position to actually go through it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, he was in that most vulnerable position.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's looking down, and right when he looks up,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Chikrin's right in his face already. He can't do anything.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: He goes horizontal and then into the glass. It was
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: almost like, you ever seen somebody get blown up in
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: a Hollywood movie? And they get blown up and thrown
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: against the wall like it's AI stuff. That's what it
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: looked like to me. It looked like AI. Right.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Like Chikor was the Hulk or a superhero.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: You hit him so hard. Yeah, it's so violent that
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: it's not real, right? But it was entirely real, and
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: it was a clean hit. And I hope Dylan Cousins
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: is okay because, man, if that happened to a guy
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: on my team, I'd be feeling terrible.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Here we go. Watch this bad boy.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Look up. Look. Oh. Oh, my God.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: How much air did he get? Like, he pushed him two,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: three feet up in the air and into the glass.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: But you know what's crazy is how come nobody.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Wait. Blam. Look at that. Look at him.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: Look how far off the ground he is. And he's
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: out right now.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: He is out. He is unconscious, right? That is correct. Correct. Yeah.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: And then, damn.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Blap.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Dude, that is just beyond violent.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the most violent hit I've seen in like
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: five years.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: It was almost like a fake human body, like a
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: sack that just got hit.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, like a crash test dummy.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: It doesn't look real.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Like, I mean, who would you like to get hit
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: with the least in the NHL? Like, I mean, Chikrin
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: led that dude out, but who's the hardest hitter in
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the NHL right.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Now, do you think? Probably Tom Wilson.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Like, if Chikrin did that to Cale or somebody, he
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: would have got jumped, right? Or do you think everybody
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: on the ice realized, you know what, I was a
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: pretty good hitter, man.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: What is the necessary reaction to that?
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: If he does that to an avalanche player, a skilled
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: avalanche player.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: What do you do?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Just because it's a clean hit does not mean a
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: guy doesn't need to get jumped. Okay. I think it's
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: who you do it to has a lot. First of all,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: if it's dirty, that's an automatic jump. Okay? Automatic. Obviously.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: But if it's one of your star players and somebody
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: blows that guy up, clean or not, you're going to say, hey, man,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: as a team, we're not going to accept you blowing
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: up our best players, even if it's clean. You know
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: what I mean? So I would expect a response from
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the abs, but listen, cousins is a good player for
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Ottawa and we'll be there today. We'll be in Ottawa today.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: He's a good player for them.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, is he going to play tomorrow? I didn't even
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: think about that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: So you'll play.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't, I don't think he, I don't
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: think he is brother.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: What is he listed as under the injury report? Erased
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: from existence?
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Coma. I mean, you tell me. And it sounds like
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I'm making fun of it. I'm not. It was just
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: so violent. It was unbelievable. So I would think that
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: if it happened to a star player for the Avs,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: that that other player would get jumped in one capacity
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: or another. Do you remember?
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, again, this is the highlight era we live
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: in where plays like that are going to make social
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: media posts all day.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I liken it to, do you remember that quarterback? Was
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: it the Arkansas quarterback who got hit along the sideline
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and did like a 720 flip?
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Do you remember that a couple years ago?
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: It's just those kind of hits that you're like, oh,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: my God. How did you survive that?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Man, it's– and the thing is, too,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: is it's a fast game. I don't know how fast
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: chicken was going, but think about this in terms of
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: car crash. If one car is going 40 and the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: other car is going 40– and they hit head-on, it's
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: like going 80, right? So Chikrin's coming down the boards.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: It's not like he's doing 21 miles per hour. He's
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: not at top speed. But if he's going whatever, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Cousins is wheeling up the boards going whatever, then it
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: multiplies on that collision. And one guy knows it's coming,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the other guy doesn't, and he gets body position, and
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: he's a big... Jacob Chikrin is not a little tiny guy, okay?
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: He's a bigger dude, and it's just... That inertia, man, just...
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: What do you say?
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you. What's the biggest hit the
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: two of you can remember seeing in sports? What's the biggest,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the nastiest hit that you can remember seeing?
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Well, this wasn't nasty. It was just violent. It was
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Steve Atwater and Christian Akoya.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: That's one of the first things I think of, too. Like,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Steve Atwater's the first person I think of when I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: think just brutal, nasty, vicious, violent hits in the NFL.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: That was a hit that featured two very large human beings,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: and inertia just stopped.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: What about when you break something? Like Lawrence Taylor snapping
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Joe Theismann.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was more gory. I'll tell you what. The
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: 49ers back in the day, and Vic will remember this,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: they turned a world champion gold medalist hurdler into a
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: wide receiver.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Ronaldo Nehemiah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What did you just call him? Ronaldo Nehemiah. Yeah,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: You just said something else. But it's okay.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I think we said it at the same time.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: You're drinking Mylanta out there. I saw that cup you're drinking.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Good old cup of Mylanta. Okay, so Ronaldo and Nehemiah,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: they turn him into a wide receiver for the Super
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Bowl champion 49ers. And I forget who on the Falcons
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: hit him, but over the middle, Bert, this is when
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: you could blow guys up, okay? And whoever it was
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: for the Falcons, and I forget who it was, but
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: absolutely exploded him in a crossing route in the middle
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: of the field. And he kept playing football after that,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: but not a lot of football. That basically ended his
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: career because it's one of the– Nelly, if you can
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: find that, Ronaldo-Nia Maia hit. It's one of the most
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: violent football hits I think I've ever seen. On a
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: basketball court. Crazy violent. One of the more violent things
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I've seen.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Seen is back in the day, Isaiah Thomas was driving
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: in Utah, driving to the Cup, and Karl Malone hit
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: him with an elbow and split his head in half, basically.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: And he was bleeding everywhere.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't get that in the NBA anymore. Like,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: people get to the basket all the time without getting
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: put down in the paint, and that used to be
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: the rule in the NBA. Like, you get into the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: paint one too many times, and we're going to knock
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you down, and the NBA just doesn't do that anymore.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I remember Cam Chancellor erased Vernon Davis.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: This is that Arkansas running back.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I think, right?
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Is this what you're showing us?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: It's the Mississippi State quarterback, but yes, this is the
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: one you're talking about.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: This is the one from a couple years ago. Watch this.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he gets hit.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: It's like a... He did a flip and a 360 spin.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: It was a 720.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: And caught like 10 feet of air.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: Well, that's because he put himself in that vulnerable position again,
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: trying to jump.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: When you're trying to hurdle the defender, you got to be,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you got to be super athletic to pull off the hurdle,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the defender move. Cause yeah, that's pretty brutal.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Although I will say in terms of violent hits back
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: in 1984, My mom got me with one of her
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: wooden shoes.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Across the table. I don't remember what happened shortly thereafter.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: But in terms of sheer violence, I think that has
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: to be up there.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my mom used to use that wooden spoon, man.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: She had one of those wooden spoons that she'd take
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: after you. Yeah, yeah, those are good old times.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: If shoe throwing was an Olympic sport, I'm guessing Bambina
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Lombardi probably would have... She would have meddled for sure.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: It was like a boomerang, dude.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: It came right back to her. She's like.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's out there like an Australian in the outback.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Boomerang in shoes across North Denver.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: For those who lived in that era where that was fine.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Nobody said anything about it.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: An Italian mom could chuck a shoe and not be
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: sent to child services.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: It was just part of the deal.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: You could.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: You could field a pretty good violent hitting football team
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: from some of those mothers back then who partook, partake
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: in that.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Well, you know my mom used to be able to
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: throw like a ninja star? What were those plastic shoes?
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Like jelly shoes? Are they called jelly shoes?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Jellies?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, she used to,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: like a batarang, she used to be able to throw
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: that thing. But either way, Moj, help us, Vitalant, and
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: the Colorado Avalanche. Fight cancer, my man.
• 32:12
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• 32:15
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• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Today.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Mosier, Lombardi, and Kane on this Wednesday,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: on this Veterans Day. As tonight, the Nuggets are in action.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: They'll take on the Memphis Grizzlies. Last night, the Avs
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: were in action. They beat the Maple Leafs. Tomorrow, they'll
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: face the Senators in Ottawa. The NFL trade deadline went
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: on yesterday. We talked about what the Broncos did, but fellas.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you about what else would happen
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: on the tread down land, especially what the Minnesota Vikings did,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: because this affects the Broncos in two different ways. The
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings acquired quarterback Kirk Cousins from the Raiders for
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: a third-round pick. Now, there's two things for the Broncos. One,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl contender. Just got better, and you are
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl contender, so one of your competitors got
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: better in the Vikings picking up Kirk Cousins. And two,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I don't like the fact that the Raiders are making
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: smart moves. I don't like the fact that the Raiders
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: are actually doing smart things. So you guys tell me,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: what do you think about Kirk Cousins going to Minnesota?
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I thought it was a brilliant move by the Raiders.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: It was only a matter of time before they were
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: going to pass the baton, and they were going to
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: do it voluntarily, right?
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Later in the season, we all expected it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: So once you pass that baton and you give the
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: job to Mendoza It's over. I mean, there's no reason
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: to have Kirk Cousins around anymore because you want the
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: kid to get all the reps. You just want him
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: to fight through any adversity.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: It's his job. So you get a third-round pick for that?
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: That's gold. That's currency. That's found money is what that is.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: That's a 20 in your jeans. That's great stuff by
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: the Raiders.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Now, the Raiders are going to take.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: A step back for a little bit, you assume, until
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: he gets up to speed. but it tells you all
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: you need to know about what their expectations are now
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: and later.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, the Broncos will face them in two weeks
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: coming out of the bye. I wish the kid was
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: on a bye this week, too, so that his first
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: start in the NFL would be against the Broncos defense,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: who's going to be all over his bacon, all over it.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: But he's going to get a start against Seattle, okay?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: And you're right. We're used to the Raiders kind of
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: screwing things up, right? Doing the wrong thing, whatever it
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: may be. This is pretty good. I mean, Spytek, so
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: he signs Kirk Cousins, and then he's able to spin
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: him off. And by the way, they're a 4-5 team.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: They're not going to the postseason, but he did what
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: he should do. He came in, he played pretty dang
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: well for them, and then they spun him off for
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: a pick. That's the ideal situation. And so... Give them credit.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I'm used to them screwing things up, but this is
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: a home run type of move by the Raiders for sure.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: And as far as Minnesota is concerned, look, their defense
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: is rad. They needed a quarterback. And maybe they're going
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: to be in the Broncos situation where Cousins in his
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: second stint there will do just enough to be able
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: to get them going deep.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: But what's going on with these quarterback whispers and these
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: offensive geniuses? How come Sean Payton's offense looks the way
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: it looks? And how come Kevin O'Connell, quarterback master, hasn't
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: figured out, how come he hasn't made Max Brosmer into
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the next John Elway? How come Kyler Murray was trash
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: with that team? I mean, what's going on with that offense?
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: You have to have enough clay, right? I mean, you
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: have to have enough clay to make something out of it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: And I think with Kirk Cousins, I.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Love the move that Minnesota just made, dude.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Again, if you're a fan, you've got to stand up
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: and applaud what the Vikings are doing. They see a
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: defense that can play with anybody, that can stop anybody.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: They're missing that one piece, that one part, and they
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: went out and got it.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: And he's a guy that played there already. He's fine.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: He's welcome there. I think it's great.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: What a great move. I agree. You can have the
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: best mechanic in the world, okay, Bert? Best mechanic. I mean,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: this guy can tune a motor to perfection, right? I mean,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: eke out every bit of horsepower out of that engine.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: But if he's working on a Toyota Camry and he's
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: putting it in the Indy 500, I don't care how
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: good of a mechanic you are, you ain't going to
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: get a win, okay? So you got to have a
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: player with some ability, but I think that like McDonald's
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: doing in Chicago, you get a brilliant offensive mind and
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: a quarterback whisperer with a guy who's got a ton
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: of talent. Caleb Williams just goes to the moon.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Did anybody watch Carson Wentz the other night, how bad
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: he looked?
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Terrible. Bad, bad. It's hard to believe that's
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: the same guy who at one point was an MVP
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: candidate before he got hurt and guiding the Philadelphia Eagles
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl championship. I know that what's-his-face came
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: in and won the damn game, but, I mean, he
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: was great that year. And now he I don't know
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: if he just doesn't like football anymore, but he looked abysmal.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: And they do have some weapons offensively. I mean, the
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings have some weapons, including one of the best
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: receivers in the game. And Justin Jefferson, who's probably is going,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: thank God. I feel I feel like my my prayers
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: have been answered because now we've got a quarterback who's not,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: you know, anybody's super all American or anything. But he's
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: going to get that football to some guys, for sure.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Well, the top five teams in the NFL. I think
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: the top five teams in the NFL. Buffalo Bills, San
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Francisco 49ers, Chicago Bears, Denver Broncos, Jacksonville Jaguars.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: All five of.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Those teams made deals, but... The Bears made a huge deal, obviously,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: for Jeffrey. The Niners made two deals. They got a
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: wide receiver and a DT. And obviously, the Bills got
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: a safety. So, when I say those... And the Jags
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: made big... They loaded up. They got two defensive... They
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: got a defensive lineman... You've got a defensive end, and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: they've got a safety. So, first off, after yesterday, do
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: you think those are the top five? Are those the
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: five best teams in the NFL, or am I missing somebody?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Do you think the Cincy or Casey or somebody like
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: that should be in the top five?
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: You're going to have one of these teams that wiggle
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: their way in. Like Detroit, dude, offensively, they're really good.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: And on any given game, they can put up 40
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: and beat you, even if they give up 38. Maybe
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: the Chiefs will again have something to say about it
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: because they got a wide receiver from the Colts as well.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: The Colts had a total fire. So, yeah, they got
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Josh Downs. But, yeah, I mean, listen, Detroit and Cincy
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: could be in the mix. The only team that didn't
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: do anything that's there, and they are a fraud, I think,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: is Pittsburgh. I don't think they're a real team. But
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: who knows? I mean, they're a 6-2 club at this point. But, yeah,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I think your top five bird are right on the money.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: And then you're going to have somebody, you know, one
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: of these other teams that's going to be even more
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: dangerous down the stretch.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I wonder if the Broncos– all right, so the Broncos
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: sit atop the AFC West. They're sitting pretty right now.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: I wonder if they're not leading the division, had they
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: been more– More aggressive at the deadline. Interesting.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Being at the top, I'm not calling it a false
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: sense of security by any means because they earned it.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: I just wonder if they're like, eh, we are where
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: we are. We've proven we can play and beat the
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: best teams in the league. There's really nothing we really
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: need to do there. But I'm still flummoxed why they
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: wouldn't add at least some depth on the offensive side
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: of the football.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Depth was added to defense.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: And my only.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: And my only answer is they look at their defense
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: and they say, we are a defense-first team. It's carried us.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: It's helped us win games. Let's just do what we
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: do best and add another piece to that side of
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: the ball.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: That's my only answer.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Isn't Henley automatically your best linebacker as soon as he.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Let's see what he does. Let's see how long before
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: he really takes on that position.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: He was the boss in L.A., right? With the Chargers,
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: he was the green dot. They trusted him with everything.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Which is great for an 0-9 team. That's great.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: He has 31 tackles so far this season. Alex Singleton
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: had only 31 tackles in one game.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say, he does lead the
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: league in tackles at some stupid number.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: That's a two-week span for Alex Singleton, man. That guy's
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: a tackling machine. But no, you just strengthened the side
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: of the ball that you were already really good at.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: So if you want to throw all your eggs in
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: a defensive basket and hope that the offense can do enough, Bert,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: it's worked so far. I mean, they've won five games
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: in a row for crying out loud. You know what
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, but once again, there's a difference. I think everybody,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: even the Broncos, can tell there's a difference between who
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: they are and who the top teams in the NFL
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: are right now. It doesn't mean they can't win the
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. It just means that the Bills and the
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Niners are just, Chicago may be just a little step
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: ahead of where the Broncos are, and it's because there's
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: nobody the Broncos can't beat at home. If you win
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the AFC, if you somehow catch Buffalo and you win
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: the AFC... Your path to the Super Bowl is open
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: because there's nothing you can't do when you're playing it
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: in power field. Now, on the road, on the road,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: do you have the offense to put– how many points
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: is it going to take to beat the Bills in
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Buffalo if you have to do that?
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: They clearly believe they have enough inside that room, or
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Sean Payton believes it. Listen, I'm telling you, I would
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: have loved to.
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Be in the building near trade deadline day because I
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: want to know how those conversations went. I want to
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: know if something was taking up the flagpole It gets
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: to Sean. Because Sean has the final say on his offense, right?
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Especially his offense.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Nah, we're good there.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: We're good there. Nah, nah, nah, I like this guy.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Nah, nah, we got plenty.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Because he clearly looks at this.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Here's another.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: I think this was a referendum on what they believe
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: to be wrong with the run game.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: They don't think it's a running back problem.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: See? See? Ooh.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I see what you're talking about. I think I see
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Vic's vision on this one. Do you see it, Moj?
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's interesting because if they don't think it's
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: a running back problem.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Is it a line problem or is it a Bobart
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: problem or is it a scheme problem?
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Ryan Harris was on this program. Yeah, Ryan Harris was
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: on this program yesterday and he intimated that it's a
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: running back situation. That the way the backs are toting
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: the rock could be better. And Vic, go back to
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: last year's Super Bowl and you're talking to Terrell Davis,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. What did he say about the Broncos'
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: running game? He said it's a running back problem. Okay, well,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: if it's not, then I would say this to Sean
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Payton and company. If it's not a running back problem,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: if it's not a personnel situation, it's a scheme situation,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: it's an overall thing with how you're blocking the run game,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: when you're calling run plays, what run plays you're calling,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: it's all-encompassing, well, then fix it. If you think you
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: have the personnel... inside that building and on that field,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: then make it work. Because right now, while it's inching
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: up and getting a little bit better, it still ain't
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: working the way you're going to need it to work yet.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Like you said, Bert, if you've got to go on
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: the road to Buffalo in January and win. Mm-hmm. You
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm thinking about it the wrong way. Maybe it's
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: just absolutely incredible belief in Jonah Coleman and what he
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: could be. And they're like, Jonah's going to be as good,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: if not better, than Jonathan Taylor.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: That's a hell of a lot of faith. That's a
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: hell of a lot of faith to put on a
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: rookie running back, bro. It sure is. Maybe that's the
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: case and maybe they're right, but that's a hell of
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of faith to put in that kid.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Somebody on Twitch says, Vic, you're wrong.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: It's a confirmation that they tried to go for Pollard, Taylor,
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: and a few others, but Colton and Titans said no. Well,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: if they tried and whiffed, then that's a different story.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: But you would think there'd be somebody on that chain
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: of running backs that they would have brought in.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Somebody out there. There's somebody willing to deal. Deals have
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: been made.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: So if they're that desperate for a running back, that desperate,
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: a running back would be here today. A running back
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: would be here today if they were that desperate. Clearly,
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: conversations were had. Desperation ends somewhere. They're not willing to
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: give up what they wanted.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, they're still looking at the future, which is fascinating.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Do you guys want to talk to the coach next?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk to the coach. Let's do that. Altitude
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