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Best of Brian Thomas - 12 26 25 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Welcoming and happy to have her on the program. Isabelle Brown,
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  Speaker 1: an author of a couple of books. This book we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about the Morning the End of the Alphabet, How
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  Speaker 1: gen Z can save America, which sounds very optimistic. It's
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  Speaker 1: a full time live streamer, independent content creator, giving a
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  Speaker 1: voice to Generation Z by breaking down culture's most important
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  Speaker 1: topics to thousands of viewers' real time. She streams and
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  Speaker 1: other content or her streams and other content reach millions
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  Speaker 1: of people around the world daily, so she is an influencer.
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  Speaker 1: Her first book, frontlines, Finding My Voice on an American
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  Speaker 1: college Campus. She's also a regular speaker on high school
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  Speaker 1: and college campuses and activism to organizations worldwide. You saw
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  Speaker 1: her on Newsweek cover and regular appearance on national and
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  Speaker 1: international television and radio. Welcome to the program, Isabelle Brown,
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the End of the Alphabet.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Excited to be here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to have you on. So first off, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to figure out what we're talking about when we
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  Speaker 1: say gen Z. Now, I've always felt sight of generation
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  Speaker 1: letter confusion because I'm too young to be a baby
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  Speaker 1: boomer and on the front end of Generation X being
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  Speaker 1: a vintage in nineteen sixty five. So I know where
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  Speaker 1: my perceptions are. I know the era that I grew
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  Speaker 1: up in, and I think, mostly if you sort of
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  Speaker 1: pulled my listening audience, we kind of view the younger
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  Speaker 1: people these days as a bunch of woke, in doctrinated,
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  Speaker 1: gender confused leftists. Now your book suggests we should have
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  Speaker 1: some optimism. What specifically, though, what generation is Generation Z?
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  Speaker 1: What lay or what era are we talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Isabelle great very important question. Most experts have agreed that
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  Speaker 2: gen Z encompasses a group of about seventy million Americans
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  Speaker 2: born between the years of nineteen ninety seven and twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 2: So when you hear the term gen Z, you're looking
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  Speaker 2: at a group of people starting at about twelve or
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  Speaker 2: thirteen years old, up through high school, college, young adult years,
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  Speaker 2: and the oldest of us, like myself, turning twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: and getting married and coming well into adulthood at this
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  Speaker 2: point in time. You're right, there is this perception that
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  Speaker 2: this whole group of people is unilaterally lazy, entitled, woke
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  Speaker 2: socialist cry babies who are desperately trying to bring leftism
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  Speaker 2: into the fold. And American culture. But throughout the last
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  Speaker 2: several years working on my own college campus as an
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  Speaker 2: activist on thousands of other high school and college campuses
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  Speaker 2: across the country, and certainly in the digital space as well,
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  Speaker 2: I anecdotally, at the very least, knew that that wasn't
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  Speaker 2: true and set out to try to prove that narrative
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  Speaker 2: wrong through my new book. What if I were to
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  Speaker 2: tell you that Generation Z actually is proving ourselves to
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  Speaker 2: be the most conservative generation America has seen since World
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  Speaker 2: War II on a cultural and lifestyle basis.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that would suggest that you are paying attention, You're
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  Speaker 1: being observant. You have studied history, and you've seen the
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  Speaker 1: mistakes of the past and what it's left us with
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  Speaker 1: here with Yes, the dependent, woke, entitled group of people
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  Speaker 1: that exist that seem to dominate the narrative on social media.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly correct, And it's following the same pattern we've seen
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  Speaker 2: throughout really all of human history. Every young group of
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  Speaker 2: people wants to do essentially the same thing, and that
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  Speaker 2: is rebel against the people who came before them. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's funny that we think about punk rock and
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  Speaker 2: countercultural in America within the context of covering your body
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  Speaker 2: in tattoos or getting a whole lot of piercings. But today,
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  Speaker 2: to be punk rock or rebellious or radically countercultural means
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  Speaker 2: to embrace timeless, traditional conservative values. And that's exactly what
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  Speaker 2: Gen Z is doing. In fact, ninety three percent of
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  Speaker 2: our generation still wants to get married in a time
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  Speaker 2: that we have the lowest marriage rate in American history.
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  Speaker 2: We're realizing we don't have to spend two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars on a degree in underwater LGBTQ basket
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  Speaker 2: weaving in order to get a job after college, and
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  Speaker 2: instead we're choosing more meaningful degree programs. Sixty two percent
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  Speaker 2: of us have already started our own businesses. We're putting
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  Speaker 2: our birth control, we're deleting our dating apps, we're moving
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  Speaker 2: out of big cities. You're watching this big, giant pendulum
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  Speaker 2: swing happen culturally, and as we know from the late
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  Speaker 2: great Andrew Breitbart, you can never change politics unless you
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  Speaker 2: first change culture because politics is downstream from culture. So politically,
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  Speaker 2: you're watching that pendulum start to shift as well. And
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  Speaker 2: the younger cohort of Generation Z is overwhelmingly, at least
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  Speaker 2: with young men becoming wildly politically conservative too.
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  Speaker 1: I am so pleased to hear that because that flies
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  Speaker 1: in the face of the narrative, the constant stream, the
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  Speaker 1: narrative you get. And I think it's because the mainstream
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  Speaker 1: media is dominated by leftists, and we also have you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're a very obviously an important social media influencer, but
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  Speaker 1: some of these social media influencers is where well a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people get their information. You know, it's like
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  Speaker 1: one size fits all. If you aren't thinking the way
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, then you must be ostracized, you must be docked,
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  Speaker 1: you must be criticized and maligned. And I get the
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  Speaker 1: impression people just crawl in their hole and don't speak out.
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  Speaker 1: No one wants to speak out for fear of getting abuse,
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  Speaker 1: presumably online.
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  Speaker 2: That's such an interesting observation. And actually, I see so
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  Speaker 2: much hope and I have so much gratitude for social
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  Speaker 2: media because it really has become the one tool that
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  Speaker 2: Generation Z has two break free of the narrative.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Just the other day on my live stream, we were
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  Speaker 2: reading through the forty five goals of the American Communist
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  Speaker 2: Party from sixty years ago. I had never read these goals,
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  Speaker 2: but these were read into the congressional record in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: sixty three, and essentially, the Communist Party's main goal to
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  Speaker 2: take over America was to take over our institution, the
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  Speaker 2: entertainment industry, journalism, academia, and certainly politics. That's exactly what's
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  Speaker 2: happened now by twenty twenty four, the least controls the
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  Speaker 2: narrative in every single pillar of American culture and politics alike.
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  Speaker 2: But for the first time ever in human history, you
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  Speaker 2: with a little device that you carry around in your
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  Speaker 2: pocket as a nobody has the opportunity to have substantially
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  Speaker 2: more influence and impact than say the president of the
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  Speaker 2: United States or entire media companies.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how do you get the message out in the
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  Speaker 1: face of efforts by the larger platforms to suppress your message,
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  Speaker 1: which again flies in the face of this liberal leftist narrative.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic and important question, and certainly is something our country
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  Speaker 2: needs to be taking a closer look at to protect
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  Speaker 2: freedom of speech in the digital age. But really, I
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  Speaker 2: like this conversation because I think so many people are
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  Speaker 2: wildly frustrated with what's been happening with censorship efforts in
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  Speaker 2: social media. But you can be quite clever in telling
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  Speaker 2: somebody the exact same thing in a bit more of
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  Speaker 2: a creative way, sometimes avoiding certain words or phrases which
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  Speaker 2: we should never.
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  Speaker 4: Have to do.
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  Speaker 2: And that's an important steps forward as a country. But
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  Speaker 2: there is sort of this undertowing message in the conservative
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  Speaker 2: movement that one hundred percent of the time conservatives have
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  Speaker 2: the depth backed against them on social media. The truth is,
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  Speaker 2: I think we use that often as an excuse to
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  Speaker 2: say that we don't have as much reach as the
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  Speaker 2: left on social media, when really we're not showing up
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  Speaker 2: to the table to even have that cultural conversation to
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  Speaker 2: begin with.
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  Speaker 1: We need more people like you. They think that way,
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  Speaker 1: they agree with your opinion, Yet if they're silent, they're
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  Speaker 1: not helping spread the message in the news that no,
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  Speaker 1: you are not alone. You know, I have these things
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  Speaker 1: called listener lunches every month, and you know, I feel
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  Speaker 1: quite often with my little old libertarian perspective of life.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I just want to live my life, make
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  Speaker 1: my own decisions, make my own choices in a free society.
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  Speaker 1: That to me is the beautiful thing about America. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, I quite often feel like I'm the only
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  Speaker 1: one out here. I'm the only ones I'm speaking to
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  Speaker 1: myself and I get this reassurance that listener lunches and
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  Speaker 1: when I'm out in the world. No, no, Brian, you're
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  Speaker 1: the one speaking the truth. Thank god, your message is there.
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  Speaker 1: Thank God you were speaking the narrative that flies in
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  Speaker 1: the face of this garbage that gives heap down upon us.
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  Speaker 1: So you know that's is that one of the reasons
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  Speaker 1: you wrote the book is to encourage younger people to
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  Speaker 1: get out there and talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's the primary reason I did. You know. I
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  Speaker 2: always like to say, especially when I speak on high
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  Speaker 2: school and college campuses, that courage is contagious, and more
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  Speaker 2: often than not, what happens with writing back against culture
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  Speaker 2: is one person being willing to be courageous in the
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  Speaker 2: face of all of this insane indoctrination. And that often
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  Speaker 2: doesn't look like starting a revolution, but instead posting a
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  Speaker 2: fifteen second video on TikTok or raising your hand in
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  Speaker 2: your college class. As soon as you're willing to do that,
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  Speaker 2: other people always will be as well. So in the book,
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  Speaker 2: I give activism tips to young people on how we
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  Speaker 2: can do that, be it becoming a content creator, yourself,
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  Speaker 2: raising your hand in your college class to tell your
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  Speaker 2: professor that they were wrong. Profice yourself, and you're starting
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  Speaker 2: to see college students and young adults to like really
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  Speaker 2: embrace opportunities to do that every day.
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  Speaker 1: Scratch Liberty's ears for me right now. I heard your
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  Speaker 1: corky bark in the background. My notes revealed that you
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  Speaker 1: too are a dog lover. I'm a huge, huge dogman fan.
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  Speaker 1: So you just said something that I find absolutely amazing.
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  Speaker 1: And of course I think you probably addressed this in
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  Speaker 1: frontlines Finding my voice on an American college campus. I
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  Speaker 1: loved college all right, Like I said Vintage sixty five
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  Speaker 1: from my college ages, what was fall of eighty three
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  Speaker 1: to eighty seven? And then went to law school for
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  Speaker 1: a few years. You could debate, You could have an
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  Speaker 1: alternative viewpoint. One of the great things about it was
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  Speaker 1: the exchange of ideas. A college professor would say one thing,
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  Speaker 1: you raised your hands said, but what about this? How
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  Speaker 1: about this? The Socratic method was in play. I get
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  Speaker 1: the impression that college campuses nothing but sit down, shut up.
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  Speaker 1: Here is the way it is. I am telling you
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  Speaker 1: the truth, and if you say anything to the contrary,
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  Speaker 1: not only will I fail you in the exam, We're
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  Speaker 1: going to ostracize you from campus. Are you telling me
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  Speaker 1: that debate is still alive and well on the college campus.
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  Speaker 2: It sure is, And that's such a beacon of hope
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  Speaker 2: to hear for so many people because the truth is,
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  Speaker 2: for most young Americans today, we aren't being told that
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  Speaker 2: should be a virtue in our curriculum, especially in higher education,
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  Speaker 2: and badly, students are having to do the job of
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  Speaker 2: university administrations and professors alike by reliving what you guys
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  Speaker 2: experienced on your college campuses, with debate, with meaningful dialogue,
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  Speaker 2: with exchange of ideas. And you're watching student organizations like
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  Speaker 2: Turning Point USA or Students for Life on the pro
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  Speaker 2: life side of things bring speakers to campus, hold seminars,
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  Speaker 2: to debate style events on campus every single day across
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  Speaker 2: the country. And most importantly, there's a hunger for that
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  Speaker 2: within our generation. There's a demand for it.
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  Speaker 5: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: I do cover that quite substantially in my first book
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  Speaker 2: that I self published about my college experience. But in
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  Speaker 2: our experience at Colorado State University, for example, when we
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  Speaker 2: brought speakers like Charlie Kirk and Dennis Prager and Candas
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  Speaker 2: Owens to campus, we regularly were turning out audience says
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  Speaker 2: of a thousand plus people, mostly students, who were desperate
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  Speaker 2: to hear a different idea than what was constantly told
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  Speaker 2: to them in this unilateral opinion.
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  Speaker 6: In their flatroom.
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  Speaker 1: Isabelle Brown, maybe you have answered the question on why
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  Speaker 1: these leftist college campus leaders and administrators are so desperate
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  Speaker 1: to shut down that message because they know it's resonating
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  Speaker 1: among gen Z and they don't want them to hear
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  Speaker 1: it and don't want to have a vehicle to allow
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  Speaker 1: them to hear it because it does fly in the
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  Speaker 1: face of what they're trying to shove down your collective throats.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly correct. But we are a truth seeking generation, if
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  Speaker 2: nothing else.
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  Speaker 3: And whether that be through social media activism on our campuses,
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  Speaker 3: I reason just having great conversations about culture and politics
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  Speaker 3: over coffee with a friend. I'm watching that search for meaning,
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  Speaker 3: purpose and truth itself happened every single.
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  Speaker 2: Day within gen Z.
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  Speaker 1: Well you have made me feel a lot better today,
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  Speaker 1: Isabelle Brown, author of the End of the Alphabet, How
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  Speaker 1: gen Z Can Save America. Get a copy of that book,
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  Speaker 1: you get a fifeve Casey dot Com. Jos jreker My
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  Speaker 1: Executi Producers put a link to it. Isabelle. I can't
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  Speaker 1: thank you enough for what you're doing and inspiring and
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  Speaker 1: giving me some positive hope for the future. I can
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  Speaker 1: only hope your message spreads and grows and that ultimately
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  Speaker 1: it trumps the leftist narrative which is sending it sending
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  Speaker 1: us down a terrible, terrible path.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me, and excited to
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  Speaker 2: continue giving hope to more people for the.
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  Speaker 6: Future of our country.
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  Speaker 1: Jared Nod who has had numerous articles published in the
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  Speaker 1: MENSA bullet and Fellow Mensine and graduate school textbooks as
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  Speaker 1: well subjects rating from the Supreme Court Reform to Arctic Exploration,
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  Speaker 1: Decorated Combat Infustry officer in Vietnam, and the first Cavalry Division.
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  Speaker 1: As we approach Veteran, say God, bless you and thank
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  Speaker 1: you for your service to our country. He also served
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  Speaker 1: as vice president of sales and marketing in his civilian
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  Speaker 1: career marketing director in the home improvement industry. He is
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  Speaker 1: a father of five. Welcome to the program, Jared, it's
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  Speaker 1: great having you on today.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you very much. It's an honor to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Joke about my MENSA membership and I usually use it
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  Speaker 1: in the context of when I don't know, Jack squat
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  Speaker 1: about something and I say, see, there's the value of
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  Speaker 1: being a MENSA member. Doesn't mean really anything about being
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  Speaker 1: critical of it. But you do have to be a
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  Speaker 1: member to write an article in the MENSA bulletin. Is
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  Speaker 1: that Is that like a prerequisite?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, they prefer the people to be members. It's not
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  Speaker 7: an absolute rule, but they prefer people who are members.
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  Speaker 7: I like to point out to people that MENSA began
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  Speaker 7: in England many years ago, and in England it's the
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  Speaker 7: upper one percent. The one it was that moved over
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  Speaker 7: to the United States, either accidentally or on purpose, it
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  Speaker 7: was changed to the upper two percent. So American MENSA
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  Speaker 7: has a lot of riff raff in it. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 7: that's how I got in.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, I'm gonna throw myself in the same lot, Jared.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where I fell on that percentage. I
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  Speaker 1: just knew that I qualified. So anyway, moving over the book,
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  Speaker 1: Tiny Blunder's Big Disasters. You know, as I was reading
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  Speaker 1: the materials on this, and I hadn't saw the Amazon
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  Speaker 1: page for it, I immediately thought of the butterfly effect,
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  Speaker 1: which most people know you know, butterfly flaps his wings
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  Speaker 1: in India, which causes a breeze, which has a chain
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  Speaker 1: reaction that ends up causing some natural disaster thousands of
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  Speaker 1: miles away. That's kind of what this book is about.
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  Speaker 7: Exactly, Ryan Tech. I almost named that as the subtitle
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  Speaker 7: for the book, but a lot of people don't know
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  Speaker 7: what the butterfly effect is, so I therefore I did
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  Speaker 7: not use it. But as Professor Lorenz was a mathematician,
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  Speaker 7: very famous in his field politician in I mean the
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  Speaker 7: mathematicians back in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and he's
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  Speaker 7: the one that coined the fray that they started real quickly.
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  Speaker 7: He had this way back then, he had this long number.
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  Speaker 7: It was a number with the decimal and then eighteen
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  Speaker 7: numbers behind it, getting infinitesimally small, and it was taking
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  Speaker 7: so long for the computers of the day to run
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  Speaker 7: that number. So lets somebody's go ahead and whack off
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  Speaker 7: of sixteen six of those numbers that could make it
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  Speaker 7: a point twelve set of point eighteen. It's so small
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  Speaker 7: it won't make a difference when they ran the program,
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  Speaker 7: and he was amazed what a massive difference it made
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  Speaker 7: in the final outcome. It's somewhat analogous to saying you're
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  Speaker 7: leaving the San Francisco and heading to London and your
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  Speaker 7: compass is off like half a degree or a degree
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  Speaker 7: or something like that. Instead of in the up in London,
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  Speaker 7: you ended up in Madrid or something like that. That's
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  Speaker 7: sort of situation in there. But anyway, and so that
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  Speaker 7: he coined the phrase a butterfly I just said, flapping
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  Speaker 7: its wings in Brazil and set off a chain reaction
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  Speaker 7: that ends up being a cyclone in Texas a year
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  Speaker 7: and a half later.
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  Speaker 1: Every little bit counts reminds me of a discussion I
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  Speaker 1: had with my constitutional law professor a flee urinating in
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  Speaker 1: the Pacific. He looks at it, says, every little bit counts.
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  Speaker 1: It was in the context of the commerce clause. We
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  Speaker 1: don't have to go down that road. Let's I tell
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  Speaker 1: you what I usually kind of end with this question
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  Speaker 1: on books like this, but what's your favorite one? Because
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  Speaker 1: I have a number of illustrations in the notes of
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  Speaker 1: what you know, all the different weird things that have happened.
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  Speaker 1: But of all the thirty nine ones you talk about
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  Speaker 1: in this book, which one stands out to you is
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  Speaker 1: like the most bizarre or your favorite story that's incorporated
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  Speaker 1: in there.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, and let me give you the nutshell versions of
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  Speaker 7: that has to do. If I had not been for
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  Speaker 7: this mistake made by Woodrow Wilson back in nineteen nineteen
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  Speaker 7: at the Versaia Treaty, is a serious chance that China
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  Speaker 7: could be a democracy today. And I mean, I give
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  Speaker 7: you just a brief version of it. Of course, that's
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  Speaker 7: World War One. All the winners, people on the winter
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  Speaker 7: side were dividing up the spoils. The Chinese had given
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  Speaker 7: one hundred thousand workers to go to France to help
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  Speaker 7: dig the trenches. A Japanese had defeated the Germans on
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  Speaker 7: the Pacific, and there's something called the German Concessions, a
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  Speaker 7: part of China that had been controlled by Germany. Well,
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  Speaker 7: if Japan wanted two things, they wanted to control of
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  Speaker 7: the German Concessions, and they also wanted a statement of
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  Speaker 7: racial equality to all people of the world. All ethnic
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  Speaker 7: groups will be treated equally under all the laws of
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  Speaker 7: the different nations of the world, which shounds today like
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  Speaker 7: a very simple thing, but for a very sensitive thing
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  Speaker 7: back then. Down in Australia, even today, thinking themselves as
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  Speaker 7: a white island floating in an Asian sea. They did
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  Speaker 7: not want a lot of Asian workers coming in and
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  Speaker 7: lowering the wages. They were opposed to such a statement.
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: Also in the Western United States, same thing. A lot
• 17:12
  Speaker 7: of the senators there did not want Asians coming in
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: lowering the wages of workers. So both of those two
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: groups were opposed to the statement of racial equality. The
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  Speaker 7: senators Wilson needed batter it to get u a United
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  Speaker 7: Nations bill passed through the Senate, which it failed anyway.
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  Speaker 7: So anyway, he caved in to their pressure and told
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  Speaker 7: the Japanese you cannot have a statement of racial equality,
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  Speaker 7: but as a sop to make up for that, we'll
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: let you keep the German concessions on mainland China. Well,
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: that was a point blank violation of Wilson's fourteen points
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: that a local determination that people would not have colonies
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: posed on top of them, they could choose their own
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: governments freely, of their own will. It was a betrayal
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: of what he had promised the world. Now that dates
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: are important, it was announced on May third that the
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: Japanese is going to be allowed to take over the
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: German concessions. Of course, the Chinese one of their land back.
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: So on May Fourth demonstrations all across China. That was
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  Speaker 7: the beginning of the May fourth Movement, which later became
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  Speaker 7: the Communist It became the Communist movement. Mals tongue took
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: it over. Here was the kind of the summary of
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: the whole thing. A Chinese nationalists had said, we had
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: believed in Woodrow Wilson and the Western democracies, and then
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: we decided that they were all great liars. So they
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: rejected Widow Wilson. They rejected to the Western democracies. Coming
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: out of Russia at that same time was a new philosophy,
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: call it communism. The May fourth move became the Communist movement.
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: Malace Tongue, like I say, took it over, and in
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: nineteen forty eight he took over all of China. If
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: Woodow Wilson had not betrayed the Chinese and kept fidels
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: to us fourteen points, very serious chance that China would
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: be at democracy today. Imagine how different the world would be.
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  Speaker 1: That is truly amazing, and that is obviously my reaction illustrates.
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  Speaker 1: That's something I'd never heard of before. You can read
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: about it in Big Disasters thirty nine Tiny Mistakes that
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Changed the World Forever by my guest today, Jared Jared Knox. Hey, Jared, not,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I have to ask you about this when I'm intrigued
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  Speaker 1: by this. A soldier accidentally kicks a helmet off the
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  Speaker 1: top of the wall and causes an empire to collapse.
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  Speaker 1: At what all?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it doesn't seem to make much sense. How is
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: that possible? It's very interesting. I gave you a nutshell version.
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: They're also a big war was developing an ancient world
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: between Cyrus the Great, who was the founder of the
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: Persian Empire, and also Creases from the expression riches Creases,
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: who is the leader of the Lydia, either moving more
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: and more towards war, and then the war began. By
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: the way, Creases, he wanted to win this big confrontation
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: against Cyrus the Great, so he sent representatives to the
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: Oracle of Delphi, and they went and he splashed a
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: bunch of gold around around to all the people and
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: in the Delphi area, and that's how he got his
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: reputation for being so rich. When he wanted to know
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: who's going to win this big war, this big battle,
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: and the ora called Delphi said a great battle will
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: be fought and a great victory will be won. But
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: he and he took that to me.
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: He was going to win after.
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: All this gold had given him. But no, it didn't
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: quite turn out that way. So anyway, he fighted in
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: a great, big battle. It's basically a draw. Then Cyrus
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: puts his men on ships and sails away. Okay, Then
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: the Persians that were helping Cyrus. Uh, I'm sorry, said Creases.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: They leave, but they didn't call him Cyrus the Great
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: for nothing. After about a week or so, he sails
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: back and then again engaged in a major battle.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: And then Creases basically loses the battle and pulls his
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: troops up into the giant fortress up there on Mount Cyrus.
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  Speaker 7: So winter is coming. It's not clear that Cyrus the
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: Great has enough supplies to support his troops through the winter,
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: and may have gotten himself into a real box. Uh
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: So anyway, but here they are laying siege to the fortress,
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: and here comes the tiny mistake accidentally kicks his helmet
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  Speaker 7: off the top of the wall. It comes tumbling all
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  Speaker 7: the way down off the mountain side off this giant
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  Speaker 7: fortress and lands at the bottom the soldier gets off
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: the top of the wall, walks down a secret passageway
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  Speaker 7: down the side of the wall, gets his helmet and
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: walks all the way back up, climbs all the way
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: back up, and Sara's the great Man's seas the super
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: passageways up the side all So the next night they
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: send a rating party up that SuPAR passageway, goes over
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: the top of the wall, goes over there to the gates,
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: forces the gates open. Cyrus the greats Men are there,
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: come flooding into the city and they defeat Creasus. Now
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: it hadn't been for that tiny mistake. Instead of and
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: call Cyrus the Great, Cyrus the chump.
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  Speaker 1: So that's hilarious. You know, he was the centurion there,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: probably was ordered by his superior in the army to
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  Speaker 1: run down and get his damn helmet, get out and
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  Speaker 1: get that work.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, where's your damn helmet?
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Right right, I'm gonna get it.
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  Speaker 7: I'll get it.
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  Speaker 6: Target, don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: Go They're gonna put me in the brig up on
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  Speaker 1: in my helmet on and I'll be right back. Awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Some great stories along with his lines. Now I I
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: always say this, I qualify this by saying I mean
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: this as a compliment, absolute compliment. Is this one of
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the books that would lend itself to being a bathroom book?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: In other words, stories that are short enough to read
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: in a you know, smaller amount of time.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, it's not through the novel. Get read all the
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: way through the Yeah, find what happen. So this was
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: really a basic series of short stories. It's great, forty
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: five short stories. You can just page through it, pick
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: out the ones they like, and just read about half
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: the book and enjoy it fully completely. Can do it
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: that way. You can read it one into the other
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: either way.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, fantastic. Like I said, I view that as a positive,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a definite positive. Jared not First off, thanks again for
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: your service to our country. Thanks for writing this wonderful book.
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  Speaker 7: Fascinating that we mentioned too. You can you can go
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: to the website Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters dot com. Tiny Blunders,
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: Big Disasters dot com. There's two and a half free
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: pages there, plus the portrait gallery and also the traders
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: are there, and so it's kind of a funn exvent
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: and we're running a special this week.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Oh fantastic. Well, my executive producer always makes things easy
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: for my book authors by putting the link to the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: place where people can get the book on my blog page.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: So if you can't remember Tiny Blundersbig Disasters dot com,
• 23:41
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• 23:43
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  Speaker 1: the book and the special from Insanity The World's So Crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Thank god for you guys. Fifty five KRS talkstation at
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  Speaker 1: six on a Friday eve. Brian Thomas here, and I've
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: been looking forward to this interview all morning. And please
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: welcome to the Picky five KREC morning show man whose
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: books you've probably read. Richard Battle, a multi award winning
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: author of ten books, has been a public speaker on leadership, motivation, faith,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: sales and volunteerism for over thirty years, and experience corporate
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: executive and nonprofit leader who serves on organizations in an
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: advisory role, and author of the book we're going to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: be talking about Day Today, an uplifting book born of
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: a bit of tragedy too. The Unopen President President, Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the program. It's a real pleasure to have you
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  Speaker 1: on today, Richard.
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  Speaker 6: Good morning, Brian, thank you so much for having me today.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I want to read a quote from you, because
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it reminded me of something I've said so many times
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: over the years. You know, I and many people say
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I'd never want to go back and have to relive childhood,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: because you know, it's difficult growing up. I got bullying
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: and all that. But I would go back in a
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: heartbeat if I could take with me what I know
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  Speaker 1: and have learned in my fifty seven years of existence
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: on this planet, because life would be so damn easy.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: That's what you wanted to do for your son when
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you wrote him him a very comprehensive letter about life experiences.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Let my listeners know what prompted you to do that,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and then what happened afterwards was led to the book
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  Speaker 1: The Unopen Present.
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  Speaker 6: Well, thank you. And this letter was written over twenty
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: years ago, and I was an older, first time father,
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: and one day, all of a sudden, I was thinking,
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: what happens if I don't live long enough to teach
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: my son the important lessons I want him to know
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: in life? And so I wrote the letter, and I
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: outlined forty three lessons that I thought were critical for
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  Speaker 6: any young person to learn. A friend of mine asked
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: me why forty three, and I said, well, that's all
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: I thought of at the time, and I set the
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: letter aside because he.
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: Was an infant.
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: He was six months old at the time, and unfortunately,
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: three months later he passed away, and I included the
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: letter as an appendix and a grief book I wrote
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: about him. But the letter sat for many, many years
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: until a spark last year.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and obviously condolences on the loss of I can't
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  Speaker 1: understand or can't comprehend, and I don't think anybody can
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  Speaker 1: who has been hasn't been through it, the loss of
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: a child. I understand from psychologist it's one of the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: worst things that can happen to anybody emotionally. But what
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: were you contemplating your own mortality when you wrote this book.
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  Speaker 1: I have never been really that forward thinking to be
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: thinking about, Gee, what the hell are my children going
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: to do if I'm not around. They're both adults now.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I got a twenty seven and a twenty nine year old.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: They seem to be doing fine. But what was it
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: about that moment in time when you wrote the book?
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  Speaker 6: There wrote the letter, Well, that's exactly correct, and I
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: was blessed being an older parent because I was thinking
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: about that thing younger parents are so busy focused on
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: making a living and raising their kids day by day,
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: yes by week. Very often it's easy. And when I
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: was younger, before I was a parent, I didn't think
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: as long term as I thought later and think now either,
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  Speaker 6: And so that's why I think it's important to share
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: this and expand upon it at which we did last
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: year as we wrote this, and the reason that generated
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: it's a very unique story as well, because I was
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: told by a friend that this is something you ought
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: to expand upon and put into a book because it's universal,
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: it can help everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Fair Enough, I consider myself extremely grounded. I know what
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: my personal philosophy is politically, I know what I believe in.
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  Speaker 1: I'm firm on it. That allows me to get through
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: life and engage in sometimes uncomfortable conversations because I'm so
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: confident in my position. What experience has formed your philosophy
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: of life, which I believe is well presented here in
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the unopen present.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: Well, that's a great question. When I wrote it, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: thought I was pretty much a traditional, what I would
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: call middle of a road American. Today, with some of
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: the things going on, it may appear much more conservative
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: than that, but the first lesson that I wrote about
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  Speaker 6: was God exists, have faith, pray and listen, because to me,
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  Speaker 6: that was the bedrock, was having a faith in something
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  Speaker 6: beyond us, and that's the most important grounding and foundation
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: for anyone's life in my opinion, and.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I agree with that philosophy. My perception of
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: a prayer, my view of prayer and I do engage
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: in prayer, is if you believe, I think, as anybody
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: who believes in a higher power does, that higher power
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: knows what you're thinking, knows a lie from the truth.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: You can't lie to an all seeing, all knowing higher power,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: which forces you during prayer to be introspective. If you're praying,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I really need something in my life, or you know,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I'm struggling with this particular problem. I mean, if you have, like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: for example, a drug problem and that's leading, you can't say, well,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: God dealt me a bad hand. No, you have to
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: look at yourself and be honest with yourself and say,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I know the genesis of it. It's me, and I
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: need to do something about it to fix it. Introspection.
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  Speaker 6: That is exactly correct, and everyone in life gets dealt
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: bad experiences. If you will no one is exempt. The
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: only question is when and how and how we respond
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  Speaker 6: to it.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Well, what other messages are in the unopen present? And
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: who is this? Who did you write the book for?
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I suppose it's really written for everyone.
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: Well, it's written for everyone. I've been overwhelmed with people
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: that have given copies for gifts, for baby showers, for weddings,
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: for graduation, for young people who are young adults, if
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: you will, for young parents, because the life lessons are
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: based on Western civilization values. The second one I put
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: in there was love your mother. You will be the
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: man of the house. She unconditionally loves you and deserves
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: your love, respect, and attention. And every day when I
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: would leave with my son and later my daughter, I
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: would say, take care of your mother. Take care of
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: your mother, even when they were too young to understand it,
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  Speaker 6: because I wanted to instill the importance of family above
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: everything else into them at the earliest possible stage.
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  Speaker 1: What a beautiful thought that is, and consistent with you know,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I guess I could go directly the Ten Commandments. I
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: believe there's a commandment of thereabout loving and honoring one's
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  Speaker 1: father and mother. It's important stuff that How is the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: book presented, how do you communicate your message? Because I
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: know you are a public speaker on again leadership, motivation,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: faith and volunteers and doing this for decades. How's the
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: book laid out in terms of its message presentation and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: how you communicate that message so readers can clearly understand it? Richard,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: that is a great question.
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: And I write as I speak, very conversationally, very down
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: to earth, so that anyone can pick it up and
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: read it. And what I did was I took the
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: lessons and after the friends suggestion to write the book,
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: which was a very humbling moment that created that genesis,
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: I took each lesson and I added context, examples, historical examples,
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: quotes one scripture to add inspiration. So each one is
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: a very easy to read five to six hundred words
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: like a newspaper opinion piece, if you will. Each one's
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: very easy to read and digest, and they can be
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: read in any sequence at any time and referred to.
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: And it's just a very easy thing to pick up
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: and look at and be able to reference something you
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: may be thinking about with your children or we've had
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: a lot of grandparents buy copies and give to their
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: children to help raise their grandchildren.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Oh that's wonderful. Well, and when I say this, I
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: mean it with the highest level of praise and respect.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: It sounds like what it could be a good bathroom book,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you know, concise, easy to read and understand points that
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to sit down and go through like
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: for example reading You know my favorite author, I always say, Dostoyevsky.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: It's going to take you a while to get through
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: one of his novels and you can't just pick it
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: up and glean something and put it back down again.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Is it that type of book? It sounds like it.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: Absolutely. There's forty three lessons, plus the story of writing
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: the book, and each one, like I say, can be
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: read in two or three minutes. You can read one
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: a day, you can read whenever you like. It's just
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: a couple of minutes per each one of the lessons.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: My guest today, author of the book we're speaking of,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: is it's The Unopen Present by Richard Battle again award
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: winning author of multiple books. Do you speak to and
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: we are in interesting times? And I think that's a
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: gross understanding. You probably agree with that. Here in the country,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: lots of political divisions lots of divisions, generally speaking your
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: life in your book The Unopen Present, do you speak
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: about country and its relationship to us and we are
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: how we view our country?
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: Well, one of the things that closed the letter with.
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: Originally and again I wrote this letter in nineteen ninety seven,
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: and to him, I said, God blessed textas God bless
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: the USA. We are blessed to be able to live
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: in the greatest area in the world. This country doesn't
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: owe you anything. Do you want something, be prepared to
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: earn it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Man, what a great message, especially in these times when
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: people just want to turn to government for the answers
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to all of their life problems. And that is not
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: where the answers lie. Now, since it's forty three specific points,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: let my listeners know one of the more obscure lessons.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, we can all agree higher power and prayer
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: and you know, respecting father and mother and the point
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: you made about country. What is one of the more
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: obscure points that you found was necessary to write down
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: in this letter.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: Initially, Well, I wrote one just because someone has something
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: you don't doesn't mean they're rich. And many years ago
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: I had as a side business. If you will investment
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: real estate property. And I had a lady who wanted
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: a screen door put on her duplex so she could
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: look out and watch her grandson play in the driveway,
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: and so I put one on. I was very proud
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: of it. I was a straight commissioned sales guy, scrapping
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: every dollar for this invest property. And I went back
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: two weeks later to collect the rent and lo and behold,
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: the screen door was torn off. And not only did
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  Speaker 6: she not care about me, All she wanted was a
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: door replaced, and she perceived me to be in a
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: rich guy because I was a guy that collected the rent.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: And even though I tried to explain to her I
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: was scraping along nickel by nickel, she didn't care. Her
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: perception was I was rich. And it just illustrated to
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: me how often we have perceptions about people based on
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: what we see, and we always need to be careful
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: about that.
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  Speaker 1: Well. And you know, and you wrote this letter at
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: a time when there wasn't social media, and how much
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: worse have we come in terms of our perception versus
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the reality. When you look at somebody's Facebook life and
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, how idyllic is that? And
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: you know, if you know the people who are depicted
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that way on Facebook or any other social media platform,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: you might know them to be a miserable family who
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: fights all the time. But Lord Almighty, look at how
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: wonderful they are, and then you start feeling bad because
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: you don't have it as good.
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: Well, there's no doubt that social media has made us
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: much shallower people. And my father used to describe it
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: as people that were a mile wide and an inch deep,
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: and we were seeing had much more today than we
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: were in the past.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And my dad always referred to them as empty suits. Fortunately,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: up until this past November, I had my father in
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: my life. I'm blessed to have a great mother and
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: father who provided me with the greatest gift of life
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: beyond life, which is education. And I thank them regularly
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: for that gift. And this is a important component. You
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: can get educated with the unopened present. And it's a
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: positive message, Richard, and these times, thank you for writing
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: a book with a positive message. We certainly need them
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: these days. And you recommend it again. I guess I
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: love the idea about grandparents passing along a copy to
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: new parents. This sounds like the ideal gift.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: Well, it's a book that will help give people ideas
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: on living a better life. And if you look back
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: all of the Wendell Holmes Supreme Court Justice said, man's mind,
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: once extended by a new idea, cannot return to its
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: previous state. And with any personal growth type item, all
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: it takes is one idea to be life changing, and
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: we never know when that one idea can happen or
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: the source for it. And that's the greatest thrill for
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: me is when people look at my work and come
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: back and say that idea helped me change my life.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: That is amazing. Richard Battle, it has been a distinct
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: pleasure talking with you. I feel uplifted just based on
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the conversation, and my listeners were certainly going to get
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a copy of your book The Unopened Present, which my
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: producer has put a link to get on my page
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: at fifty five kre sea dot com. Make it real
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: easier for everybody. Just Shy of eight oh six here
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: at fifty five KRCD talk station. A very happy Friday Eve,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas, please to welcome my next guest, Vincent Vargas.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Vince was born and raised Los Angeles, California for four
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: years of active didy the United States Army, serving in
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: three combat deployments with the second Battalion of the Elite
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: seventy fifth Ranger Regiment. Joined the US Army Reserve, where
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: he continues serving as a drill sergeant. Back in nine
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: he became a federal agent with an Apartment of Homeland
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Security and served as a medic with a Special Operations Group.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Also a successful entrepreneur and actor, writer, producer, currently starring
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: on the hitch FX show. Mayans MC motivational speaker. He's
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: also the father of seven children and author and talking
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: about his new book Borderline Defending the Home Front, which
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: is an inside look at the US Mexican border through
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the eyes of my friend here, Vince Vargas, former US
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Border Patrol Agent, which we're adding to his resume. Evince,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: welcome to the program. It's a real pleasure to have
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: you on. And let me start by thanking you for
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: your service to our country.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you for having me.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Now, how did you go from from seventy fifth Ranger
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Regiment to Border Patrol agent? How did you make that
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: connection or even I guess, desire to become a border
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: patrol agent.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a friend that told me about the
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: borderful career field in depth, something I had no idea
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: about it, just in passing. I'd see them when I
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: was going to Roseriedo, Mexico to hang out with friends
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: or whatever. But eventually, you know, it came down to
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: wanting to continue to serve my country, but on our
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: own soil.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Fair enough. Well, I think at least I can sum
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: up the border from my perspective because I only know
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: what I read in the papers and what I see.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: It seems to be a bit of a catastrophe. Every day,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: thousands of people coming across the border. Sometimes they interact
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: with border security folks who it seems have become processors
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to get them into the country, you know, taking note
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: of who they are, biometrics or whatever they're doing. But
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: then there's also the hundreds of thousands of so called godaways.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Everybody's concerned about national security. Who are the people that
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: have come in? Do they mean ill will toward us?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: But your focus in the book, as I understand, is
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: more on the plight of these people rather than the
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: political battle that they have been used for in Washington,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: d C.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of two parts, and you have two
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: sides of an argument.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: You have the left side of the argument the right
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: side of the argument, and everyone wants two different things.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: You know, you're talking home madsecurity one issue, and then
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: you have immigration another issue. Both of those have to
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: be to be answered in this conversation. And right now
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: currently this subject is so divisive. If I wanted to
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: write a book to really explain the foundation of what
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: the border patrol career field does, which most people.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: Don't really know, they assume they know.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: And then as well as once you understand what the
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: border patrol does, you'll have a better understanding of how
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: the process works. Currently, the process that we have in
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: place isn't a benefit to the United States, It's it's
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: a benefit to the to an illegal immigrant who's coming across.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: We've almost we've almost incentivized illegal immigration. And so how
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: do I explain a lot of this in the book
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: that there's got to be a balance, and right now
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: we're definitely out of balance.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Well, do you have a I mean, in your perception,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: a solution for it. I keep hearing we need to
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: change the immigration laws. The answer to the problem is
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: changing the immigration laws. Well, there are immigration laws on
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the books, and here I put myself. I want to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: try and put myself in the position of a border
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: patrol agent. They know what the law is and they're
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: supposed to enforce the law as border patrol agents, and
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: yet they're getting conflicting information from the lords and masters
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: who are sort of using their prosecutorial discretion to ignore
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the laws and allow people to come in who aren't
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: lawfully allowed to come in under the current law. Have
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I got that wrong?
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: Then's yeah, it's partially wrong. The truth of the matter
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: goes that the border traders are still doing their job.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: It's after they process them. What is the policy that's
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: put in place?
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: And currently people are getting released into the United States
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: with a notice to appear, which only three percent actually
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: returned to a peer. And so it's not a border
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: patrol issue so much as it's higher up. It's the
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: disconnect between the policy and what is enforced. Anyone entering
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: the country illegally is breaking a law still to this day,
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: and they still have to be processed. But after the
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: border patrol is done processing them is where the issue lies.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: How are we holding them? Are we detaining them?
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: And so on and so forth fair enough. Well, while incentivizing,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with your assessment. We have incentivized
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: them to come. No one is saying don't come. You're
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: not gonna be able to come in. If you cross
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: through a neutral country, you won't be allowed in some
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: of the rules that are in place. But the misery
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: by incentivizing them. People go on thousands of miles journey
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: from the four corners of the world to go up
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: through Mexico through all this harsh terrain and the drug
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: cartels and the smugglers, and they face so many challenges
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: and so much misery along the way. And then it
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily end there. As I understand it, So many
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: of the younger people are being are victims of human traffickers,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: and that the cartels continue to make money off of them.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I guess a concept of like indentured servitude for having
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: brought them to the border in the first place.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's correct.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: It's everything that happens down south is a mess. It's
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: a lot of manipulation happening. It puts a lot of
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: them at risk, and it's two parts. One the manipulation
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: by traffic organizations, but the other part is us and
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: how it's easy to circumvent our current system.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Tell me about this elite search and rescue unit called
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Borstar which you volunteer to participate in.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: So, Borchstar and Bortech are the two special operations unit
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: in the Border Patrol. They're not spoken of publicly too often,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: but they they served a great deal down on our
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: borders and doing the mission. Borchstar specifically provides search, medical,
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: and trauma services all across the border for not just
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: illegal immigrants, but for Americans anyone in the borders, from
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: car accidents to search and rescue situations to any kind
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: of medical intervention that needs to happen in those borders.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: We rescue more lives than most agencies out there will
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: ever even see. I've done swift water rescues for truckers
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: who are swept off by by massive water massive you know,
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: high high water issues.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: And so this is a career feel that no one
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: really knows all the fine details.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Of well I understand. I mean, I don't want to
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: draw draw parallels from your service in the Middle East
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: to the border situation. I'd like to think the border
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: isn't nearly as bad as combat, but you there have
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: been gun battles on the border.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, I.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Think there's a misconception of how often that happens. Yeah,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: there's definitely, there's definitely, you know, the cartel on the
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: Mexican side, they're always fighting for control of their area,
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: But on our side, it doesn't cross over as often
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: as the media elect to portray or people want to
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: assume it does happen. There's always a chance when you're
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: doing law enforcement and you're doing such a dangerous job,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: and especially dealing with drugs and smuggling, there's a chance
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: that there's someone going to be armed, but it's not
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: as prevalent as the world likes to believe it is.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Well, that's comforting information. What's the morale like among the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: border patrol agents? I imagine my understanding is there's the
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: concerns about being under funded and understaffed. Obviously the dangers
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: associated with the job are how are they able to
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: maintain a decent morale and continue to do their job?
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Then, yeah, that's that's a challenge, right when you have
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: a system that's that's in place right now that they
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: demonize the border patrol career field, like everyone in the
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: media is wanting to say to blame the border patrol.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: They want to say the borderfoal is that fault the
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: portfol does this.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: That's not easy to do a job day in and
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: day out, that's selfless, and to be demonized and.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: To be politicized.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: It makes it so hard to do this job and
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: be proud of it because no one is supporting them.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: And that's the big reason why writing this book, I
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: want to really highlight how important this career field is
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: for America.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I think among my listening I haven't ever heard
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: personally people demonize the border patrol agents. I kind of
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: feel like they've been stuck between a rock and a
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: hard place, given the well the confusing nature of our
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: immigration policy. It's I don't think anybody's laying the blame.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: It's like laying the blame on the police department for crime.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that the out of control border situation
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: is being bled on the border patrol agents. Perhaps some
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: on one political perspective or another blame the border prol
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: agents for even doing their job and protecting the border. Absolutely,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: you're right, So if you could have your way. Vince
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: vince Vargas, author A Borderline defending the home front. If
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: you could lay hands on what the obvious multitude of
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: problems are on it, how do we fix the situation?
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: What would your sort of thumbnail sketch of legislation or
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: fixes include vents?
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, this is like a it's not a
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: one plus one equals two enter. This is like a
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: recipe for a cake. Right, So there's a lot of
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: layers here.
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: One first thing is not incentivize it.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: We have to make it a challenge to come across illegally.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: You break the law, you have to serve time, you know,
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: and so you start to create deterrence when people know
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: they'll go to jail for coming illegally. Now that's obviously
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: a different conversation for US seeking asylum. There has to
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: be a better process to really identify if they're seeking asylum,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: if they come from a country that can deem it
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: seeking asylum. But on top of that, you have to
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: start addressing South America. We have to start addressing the
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: conversation of the manipulation that happens for trafficking organizations. We
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: have to teach and educate what's the right way of
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: doing it, but also those who do it. The right way,
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: sometimes have to wait twelve years. So maybe we have
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: to create a streamline process for those who are genuinely
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: coming here to invest back into our country, who want
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: to see this country be successful, and so those individuals
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: should be given the opportunity to have a streamline process.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of layers to this that we have
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: to address, but we could start there and I think
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: we'll start seeing changes.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Well in something else that seems to me to have
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: deteriorated pretty substantially from the prior administration to this one
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: is our relationship with Mexico. I don't know if that's
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: because the drug cartels have completed and successfully taken over
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Mexican government generally, and they're getting their way because they
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: make so much money off of trafficking these immigrants through
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: the country. But Mexico was tended to be cooperating with
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Trump and keeping the flow within the country or otherwise
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: removing the folks that are coming in through the southern
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: part of Mexico and keeping them in those other countries
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: that seems to have just disappeared. It now seems like
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Mexico's facilitating this.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: You know, it's really tough down there with a lot
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: of the corruption that does happen, like you've hit it
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: the nail right in the head. It's like when someone
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: takes over and wants to put their foot down, will
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: they be assassinated?
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: And so we have to see what's going on down there.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: But we still have to manage our own borders, and
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: currently our policies in place are not helping us.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Fascinating book, Vince Vargus, Let me thank you again for
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: your service to our country and your ongoing continued service
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Borderline Defending the Home Front by my guests today, Vincent Vargas. Vince,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: we made it real easy for my listeners get a
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: copy of your book. My producers put it on my
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: blog page fifty five cars dot com. Click on the link,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: get a copy, learn about the difficult nature of the job,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: and have some respect for the border patrol agents. We
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: got your back, Vince, and I appreciate you know on
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the program today and for writing the book about it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, my pleasure. Eight seventeen fifty five krs.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: The talk station ah US lead list as I can
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: be to welcome my next guest, her named doctor Rachel Arenfeld,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: author of the book We're going to be talking about
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: this morning, the Soros Agenda. Her background is extensive and
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: I will try to give you enough information on it.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: See get an idea where she's coming from. Founder and
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: president of the New York based American Center for Democracy
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and the Economic Warfare Institute. She takes a multi multi
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: disciplinary approach and looks at all kinds of factors out
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: in the world that influence US economic warfare, disinformation, free
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: speech and doctrination, propaganda, PC, coercion, law, fair yeah, the
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: warfare with the law, corruption, etc. Focusing on identifying patterns
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: of what seemed to be unrelated domestic and foreign events
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: as they link to threaten the United States political and
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: social economic stability. More than fifteen hundred publications, five books,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: academic and policy papers She's written us slew of them
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: and appeared in every major news outlet, including my favorite,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times, Forbes Newsweek.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I could go on, but let's talk about the Soros Agenda.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Doctor Rachel Hinfeld, Welcome to the fifty Care Morning Show.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: It's a real pleasure to have you on today.
• 49:03
  Speaker 10: Thank you very much, thank you for having me, and
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: good morning, good morning.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: You called it a couple of decades ago, unchallenged, Soros
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: would change the political landscape of the United States. And
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: there is no question in my mind. He has billions
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: of dollars and the sort of an out loud question.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: You go back to one of the quotes, and you
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: quoted Georgesaurus. If I spend enough, I can make it right.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Your book addresses what does he mean by right? Why
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: is he so interested in undermining the freedoms and liberties
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: that we enjoy here in America that do not exist
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: elsewhere in the world.
• 49:37
  Speaker 10: Doctor because he wants to create another society. He wants
• 49:45
  Speaker 10: to change America. He said that. He said that the
• 49:49
  Speaker 10: main obstacle to a stable and just world order is
• 49:53
  Speaker 10: the United States. This happened after the Soviet Union included
• 50:00
  Speaker 10: and Uh. Until then he was preaching for democracy and
• 50:04
  Speaker 10: for capitalism one that was gone. It was like the democraty.
• 50:09
  Speaker 10: Right after it was gone, he started to be the
• 50:13
  Speaker 10: too held actually socialism, I didn't call him that, He
• 50:19
  Speaker 10: didn't call it. That is in socialism and anti capitalism
• 50:27
  Speaker 10: and anti anti American propaganda.
• 50:31
  Speaker 9: And uh.
• 50:32
  Speaker 10: He has his uh philosophy which he which basically comes
• 50:38
  Speaker 10: down to what he thinks should be a different society
• 50:44
  Speaker 10: with a different conceptual, conceptual look, with a different manner,
• 50:49
  Speaker 10: with a different uh world view, with the different uh
• 50:54
  Speaker 10: different social and social, political and economic uh reah it
• 51:00
  Speaker 10: is which he actually if we want to summarize what
• 51:05
  Speaker 10: it is, because.
• 51:06
  Speaker 11: It's so such a mumbo jumbo combination of Rwelian Awelian
• 51:13
  Speaker 11: ideas and language and the new Brave world of Aldo
• 51:18
  Speaker 11: Saxley and sources on neo Marxist ideas, let's call it
• 51:24
  Speaker 11: all a stunt.
• 51:26
  Speaker 10: I think that would be good.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: He's in favor of a Dystopian or Weellian world where
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the top controls everything, our thoughts, our impressions, what we
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: can read, what we can't read, How we think that that?
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: How is how in any rational? Maybe it's maybe maybe
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: he is completely irrational? How is in that in any
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: way shape of reform stable and just.
• 51:49
  Speaker 10: Well stable and just according to his point of view.
• 51:54
  Speaker 10: Look at look at what is happening now with our well,
• 51:58
  Speaker 10: our previous justice system, our old justice system. He from
• 52:04
  Speaker 10: the beginning when he started his activities here, and that's
• 52:09
  Speaker 10: when I realized what was going on, and I warned
• 52:13
  Speaker 10: against not challenging him. I suggested to challenge him was
• 52:20
  Speaker 10: changing the laws. And he didn't go to Congress to
• 52:24
  Speaker 10: change the laws. He chose the system where he wanted
• 52:29
  Speaker 10: to change the laws from within the states, within the localities,
• 52:35
  Speaker 10: not through Congress. And unfortunately it was successful pretty much.
• 52:40
  Speaker 10: Look at the best example is the drug organization movement,
• 52:45
  Speaker 10: which he started and funded. There was a little movement before,
• 52:50
  Speaker 10: but he took it up. He funded it with a
• 52:54
  Speaker 10: lot of money, created his own organization, and in nineteen
• 52:59
  Speaker 10: ninety six nineteen ninety five when drug legalizations at the
• 53:04
  Speaker 10: time so called marijuana legalization started and now everybody in
• 53:09
  Speaker 10: the United States can then can get doped as much
• 53:12
  Speaker 10: as they want, right right, So he only duped the
• 53:17
  Speaker 10: system into approving something that he said where many drugs
• 53:23
  Speaker 10: are addictive but not marijuana. Well, he knew at the
• 53:27
  Speaker 10: time that marijuana was addicted, and we certainly have since
• 53:31
  Speaker 10: then mountains of evidence to show how addictive marijuana is.
• 53:37
  Speaker 10: Yet each state is doing whatever they can in order
• 53:43
  Speaker 10: to legalize it because of greed. They have so much money.
• 53:47
  Speaker 10: There is so much money in the business, legal and illegal.
• 53:51
  Speaker 10: And this is crazy because marijuana causes not only psychosis,
• 53:55
  Speaker 10: not only all kinds of mental problems, but also makes
• 53:59
  Speaker 10: your bodies seek This is the worst enslavement of a
• 54:03
  Speaker 10: human being, drug addiction, and he succeeded in it, and
• 54:07
  Speaker 10: he succeeded in changing. At the time when he suggested it,
• 54:13
  Speaker 10: drug legalization was unthinkable, unacceptable, but he managed to actually
• 54:19
  Speaker 10: have enough for pa Ganda to get it done and
• 54:22
  Speaker 10: there are now we see it more moving forward, we
• 54:26
  Speaker 10: see it how he changed the legal system by getting
• 54:30
  Speaker 10: das elected, das that don't want to actually apply the law,
• 54:37
  Speaker 10: that are acting against the non criminals, against the vistims
• 54:43
  Speaker 10: actually and working with the criminals. So basically what he
• 54:48
  Speaker 10: has done and he hasn't been doing, is creating cows
• 54:51
  Speaker 10: in this country, a racial division, gender new genderism, working
• 55:00
  Speaker 10: to promote abortion, and by the time they will be
• 55:05
  Speaker 10: if they are very successful with their transgenderism, is there's
• 55:09
  Speaker 10: no pushback and having abortion laws the federal government will
• 55:17
  Speaker 10: announce or as Biden is doing it, having executive order
• 55:23
  Speaker 10: that abortion is allowed. And in between these two, well,
• 55:28
  Speaker 10: I guess they won't have to worry too much about
• 55:30
  Speaker 10: abortions because castrated people don't produce too much abortion.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: That's true, that is true. My guest today, doctor Rachel Erinfeld.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: We're talking about her book. This Soro's agenda. Well, on
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: the marijuana legalization, it seems kind of it's an interesting ploy.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I guess many folks believe, you know, why would we
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: ever criminalize self abuse? And I happen to be among
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: those folks. For example, alcohol is I would say, equally,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: if not a greater problem than marijuana, simply because it's
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: more prevalent. Its millions of people, liver crhosis, breaks up families.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: You know, we could go on and on. We had
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: a failed experiment when we tried to with through prohibition,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: so that didn't work with alcohol.
• 56:10
  Speaker 10: With alcohol takes longer to be a trick.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: But I gets okay, and we can make the medical
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: argument is a difference. My only point is that a
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: country that embraces freedom can be drawn to this argument that, well,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: we should just legalize marijuana. Why are we throwing people
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: in jail that are, you know, buying and selling marijuana?
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: That there's a certain freedom appeal to that, a freedom
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: that he does not believe in yet is using to
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: advance his agenda. The underlying point, though it sounds like
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: you're saying, is he knows it's terrible for us. Clearly,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: legalization is going to result in more people using marijuana,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: so it undermines the stability of the United States. That's
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: his goal.
• 56:47
  Speaker 10: But he knows, but he knows that this is terrible,
• 56:52
  Speaker 10: and so so all the medical associations that's approved. It's
• 56:57
  Speaker 10: not the laws that are bad and therefore you shouldn't
• 57:01
  Speaker 10: use them. It's not the laws. It's because the chemical
• 57:05
  Speaker 10: effect of the physiological effects of the drugs which you
• 57:08
  Speaker 10: are taking on your body, right on your system. It
• 57:11
  Speaker 10: sleaves you old branded slaves your own body. And now
• 57:14
  Speaker 10: they are actually legalizing all drugs in Oregon, in Washington State,
• 57:21
  Speaker 10: it's different places. This is crazy. So Heroin and Sentinel
• 57:25
  Speaker 10: and whatever you want you can take. So we have
• 57:30
  Speaker 10: more criminalists and we have more homeless people in the streets.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: That's the point though, right, I mean, he knows about
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: everything you're saying, and he can make all these libertarian
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: freedom gestures in the name of not criminalizing people. But
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: your point being, all this evidence suggests the reason he
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: is after this as an agenda item is because it
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: does destroy us.
• 57:54
  Speaker 10: Yes, but well that's his agenda. The question is why
• 57:58
  Speaker 10: are we Why are why are governors of states people
• 58:04
  Speaker 10: who are elected to the states, judges, public thinkers, Uh,
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: the newspapers. Why why is the medical association? Why is
• 58:14
  Speaker 10: this allowed? Well, I this was this seems to be
• 58:18
  Speaker 10: a free country. We should we should have opposed because
• 58:20
  Speaker 10: there was no pushback. You saw a lot of pro
• 58:24
  Speaker 10: pro pro pro pro god majuana from marijuana legalization. You
• 58:29
  Speaker 10: didn't see anything.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Again, going to the research that you do, this multi
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: multidisciplinary approach that you take, and you look at disinformation,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: and you look at indoctrination, you look at all these
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: different elements and what the net effect is on our culture.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: And I understand that the problem that you and I
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: and others who have a better sense about things have
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: is getting the message out. The message is quite often there,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: and the anti marijuana legalization or the pro police message,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: or the freedom message is there. It's just quashed. It's
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: suppressed by all these forces that he seems to have
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: his hands in Twitter and Facebook and social media. I mean,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: if you can't find out Hunter Biden's laptop is real
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: when our own federal government knew about it for a
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: couple of years and the federal government takes steps to
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: quash that information from getting out to American people. You've
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: got a real uphill challenge here, and that's something he
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: is also funding. Is it not?
• 59:26
  Speaker 10: Well, Apparently he's behind the Democratic Party. For sure, He's
• 59:30
  Speaker 10: not the only one. But this is why I owed
• 59:33
  Speaker 10: the book. I lowed the book The Souce Agenda land
• 59:36
  Speaker 10: out his agenda, the different planks he had, and also
• 59:40
  Speaker 10: the strategies that he has been using in order to
• 59:42
  Speaker 10: implement them. And people who want to stand up need
• 59:47
  Speaker 10: to know their enemy.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: So amen, you'll read the book.
• 59:52
  Speaker 10: We'll see, we'll see how this has been done, and
• 59:55
  Speaker 10: we'll be able to challenge it and count it.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: There you go, Doctor Rachel aaronfel from behalf of all
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: my listeners. There on your side. I'm on your side.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: The name of the book, the Soros Agenda. We can
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: all get a copy at fifty five care see dot com.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: My producers put your link right there for all to get.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I will recommend people buy it. I will recommend people
• 1:00:13
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• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Doctor Ehrenfeld, keep up the great work, and thank you
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: for bringing this to our attention this morning. Welcome to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: the program, Bob Drury. He is the recipient of several
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: National Journalism Awards, a three time National Magazine Award finalists,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Pulitzer Prize nominee. He's honed his investigated skills writing for
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: all four New York City newspapers, as well as a
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: variety of national publications. He went from sports writing to
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: crime and adventure, travel, foreign correspondent, author and co author
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: or editor of more than ten non fiction books. You
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: may have read many of them. The book we're talking
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: about today he wrote, along with Tom Clavin, Throne of
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Grace a Mountain Man, an epic adventure in the bloody
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Conquest of the American West. Bob Jury, Welcome to the
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: fifty five cares in morning, So it's real pleasure to
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: have you on. I was going to ask you because
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I've been I've been reading the counts of these Columbia
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: law students, and they're asking and demanding that the school
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: cancel final exams and give a passing grade to all
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: students because they have been irrevocably shaken after witnessing police
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: arrest their fellow protesters. They can't handle the trauma of
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: seeing someone arrested. Bob, do you think they could manage
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: the life of Jedediah Smith.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 12: Brian, I don't think I could say, well, I'm an
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 12: old timer now, but in my ute, so to speak,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 12: I mean, I was in the edens of the earth Afghanistan, Iraq.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 12: I took some shrapnel in Sarajevo, I got shot in Darfur.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 12: I could not handle the life of Jededia Smith, those
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 12: mountain men. I mean, what they went through, and it
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 12: was normal. I mean, whether you're crossing a freezing river,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 12: that is a frozen river that you fall through and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 12: it freezes the legs off your pack mules. The next
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 12: corner there might be an Indian attack deserts. You know,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 12: Smith was the first euro American to cross both the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 12: Escalante and the Mojave Desert, first American to hit California
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 12: from the east. So the short answer, I guess that
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 12: was a long answer is no, hell no.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: But you know what, true folks like Jedediar Smith to
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: go out into completely uncharted, at least from the mindset
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: of an early American. I appreciate Native Americans were living
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: there before we showed up and screaming at the radio
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: folks out there. Okay, we all get that, but you're
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Jededia Smith. You're on the east coast, and you're like,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: we got this land purchase that Thomas Jefferson engaged in,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: and so you've got early nineteenth century, all this land
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: yet to be explored by the American population, and you
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: go into it not knowing what you're going to face.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: That takes either a tremendous amount of stones or an
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: unbelievable amount of ignorance, because you should have a lot
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: of fear when you're thinking about doing something like that.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: But yet there were guys like this that did it well.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 12: I think in Smith's case he was an anomaly. Most
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 12: of these land pirates and reprobates and that became mountain men.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 12: I think they were in it for the money beaver trapping.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 12: At the time that beaver was the most expensive fur
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 12: in the world, and you could make a lot of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 12: money up in the mountains. But Smith, when he was
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 12: a kid, a doctor, a local doctor had given him
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 12: the journals of Lewis and Clark, and he was about
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 12: twelve or thirteen, and he decided he wanted to follow
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 12: in their footsteps. They were his idols.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 13: Now.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 12: If he was going to make a little money along
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 12: the way, fine, And so he made his way to
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 12: Saint Louis, which of course was in the westernmost part
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 12: of the United States, Missouri, the westernmost state, and signed
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 12: up for one of the first fur trapping operations to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 12: go up into the Rockies and beyond. And as I said,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 12: there was an economic factor there. You could make a
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 12: lot of money, and he did. But I think in
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 12: Smith's case, he wanted He didn't want fame. He wasn't
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 12: a crocket or a boon. He wanted adventure and.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: He sure found it.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 12: I mean twice he made it to the West coast,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 12: whereas Lewis and Clark only did it once. He was
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 12: I was kind of gratified. We got a review yesterday
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 12: in the Los Angeles Times that Jedediah Smith is our
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 12: most unheard of and perhaps most important nineteenth century explorer.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 12: And when Tom and I decided to kind of settle
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 12: on him as our guide through this era. We consider
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 12: Throne of Grace a biography of the era as opposed
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 12: to a biography of Jed Smith. But we needed a guide,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 12: someone to take us through it, and Smith Zelig like
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 12: just happened to be everywhere where something was happening.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Well, how did the where do you get the name
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Throne of Grace.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 12: It's from the Bible. See once again anomaly. All these
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 12: whiskey swilling, cigars smoking, they all these mountain men, they
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 12: all womaned up, as they called it, with a quote
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 12: unquote Indian wife. But Smith was from this hard Puritan stock.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 12: And there was a wonderful quote from one of his contemporaries,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 12: considered the mountaintop his altar, and the forest glade is
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 12: confessional and so late when he was writing letters back
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 12: to his brother, back to his father, and at one
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 12: point he said, oh, I miss home so much. It's
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 12: been five years since I was in Saint Louis. I
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 12: longed to be in the Christian community. I longed to
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 12: be in the almighties throne of Grace. And as soon
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 12: as I read that one of his letters, I said, Tom,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 12: there's our title.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean perfect you never you never know.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 12: I mean the Daniel Boone book. We wrote Blood and Treasure,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 12: almost the same thing. Late in life. Daniel Boone was
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 12: giving an interview to this. I'm not sure if it
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 12: was a magazine writer, a dime store novelist, and he said,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 12: I've given so much blood and treasure because he had
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 12: lost three children. I've given so much blood and treasure
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 12: to this country, and Tom and I just said, there's
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 12: our title, blood treasure. It was the same thing Throne
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 12: of Grace. I think it's Hebrews for sixteen. I'm not
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 12: that much of a religious man, but I knew I
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 12: was going to get this question, and Throne of Grace
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 12: just it summed up what he was all about and
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 12: basically what the country he was discovering was all about.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Well, considering the moment in time you were in and
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: you talk about you know, they maybe money was a factor.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: They obviously the fur trading was lucrative. How in the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: name of hell were they able to get their wares
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: back to say Saint Louis from far of the far
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: reaches of the West. I mean, we're not talking about,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: you know, railroad here, We're talking about at best horseback
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: or mule. So how is it even possible to make
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: money in any given trade that would require you being
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: so far away from shall we say civilization?
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 12: Well there was an old mountain man saying I'd rather
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 12: float my goods than carry them, So you're right. Pack trains,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 12: mule trains sometimes did it. But for the most part
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 12: these guys stuck to the rivers up the Missouri and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 12: then down it's many tributaries, the Tongue, the Muscleshell, the Judith,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 12: and they would carve out their own parogies and flatboats.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 12: Flatboats would be pulled or pulled up to Missouri. They
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 12: were all equipped with the sail, but as you know,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 12: the Missouri is such a winding river, sails on a
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 12: boat basically did nothing for you. Yeah, and these giant
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 12: flatboats would just be lugged thousands of miles up into
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 12: the mountains and parked, and then they carve their perogies.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 12: They'd go up and down. Luckily, beaver is an aquatic animal,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 12: so they didn't have to go too far from the
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 12: water to trap these beaver and up and down until
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 12: until now, Tom and I were loath you mentioned it before.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 12: We're loath to use the word discover in our books.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 12: Daniel Boone no more discovered the Cumberland Gap than Jed
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 12: Smith discovered South Past and Southeast Wyoming. But he was
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 12: the first American to kind of stumble through south past
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 12: this chink in the Rocky Mountain. It's about eighteen miles wide,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 12: and although it's at elevation, it's at eight or nine
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 12: thousand feet. It's rather gentle. And that was the beginning
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 12: of the Oregon Trail. You could get wagons through South Pass.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 12: You no longer had to take a pack train, as
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 12: Lewis and Clark did through one of these snowbound thin
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 12: had a chink. Now you've got Now you've got wide
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 12: open mountains. So they basically went from flatboats and canoes
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 12: to wagons.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: And this was all pre PATAGONI yeah, right, I just
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: cannot imagine having to deal with the elements, let alone
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: and before we part company. And this is an absolutely
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: fascinating books. I know my listener are going to want
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: to get a copy of Thrown a Gray, So you
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: can did that at fifty five care Sea dot com, Bob,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: So it made it real easy for him to get
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: a copy. The idea again going back to the Native
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: American population, had we'd gotten out in the west, to
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: the native tribes in the West, that these new settlers,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: these explorers, these folks that were you know, the sphere
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: of manifest destiny as you write, represented some sort of
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  Speaker 1: existential threat to them? Were they a threat to guys
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: like Jedediah Smith?
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  Speaker 12: Oh, of course, of course, the Harry white men. Who
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 12: are these harry white men invading our territory? I mean,
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  Speaker 12: as we both know, long before any Europeans set foot
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  Speaker 12: on North America's fatal shores, these tribes had kind of
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 12: staked out their own territories. And whether it was the
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  Speaker 12: Sioux and the Arikara along Missouri corridor, or the Cheyenne
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 12: or Rapaho on the plains, or the Crow in the mountains,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 12: the black Feet in the mountains. And at first when
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 12: Lewis and Clark was a perfect example, they were treated
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 12: well by the Indians. Now the Indians robbed from them,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 12: but that's what Indians did in those days. The Crow
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 12: used to brag, we don't kill the white men because
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 12: we'll steal your horses, and if we kill you all,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 12: you won't come back with more horses for us. But
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 12: the other tribes were not so accommodating. In fact, the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 12: very first Indian war was the Mississippi that involved the
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 12: United States soldiers took place on the Missouri with the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 12: Eric Carrott tribe and Smith once again Zelig like he
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 12: and his trapping crew happened to be there. They're the
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 12: ones who's fired.
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  Speaker 6: The first shots.
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  Speaker 1: The book is just going to be fabulous. Readthrown of
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Grace Mountain Man Epic Adventure in the Bloody Conquest of
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: the American West by my guests today, Bob Drury along
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: with Tom Clave and Canniber Look Tom's complished or a
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: contribute contribution to the book. Fascinating discussion. I really appreciate
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: you joining the Morning show, Bob. I know my listener
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: is going to want to get a copy of this
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: and read up on it and appreciate the fact that
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: we had men like this who are willing to put
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: some sacrifice out in the name of just checking it
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: out and being the first to do it. Lord knows
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: we can't. We could use more people like Jedediah Smith
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: on the world. And thank you parenthetically but very importantly
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: for your service to our country. I truly appreciate that
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: as well. Hi, Henry Armstrong, this is Brian Thomas from
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: the fifty five Casey Morning Show. I just want to
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: let you know what a distinct pleasure it is to
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: have you on my program to talk about Well, let
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: me start by sincerely on behalf of my listening audience,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: myself and my producer and everyone here at fifty five ksee.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you for your service to our country ninety nine
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: years young you are, and you were there. You saw
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  Speaker 1: it as we come, I asked, approached the eightieth anniversary
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: of the D Day invasion of France. You were part
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: of that invasion, sir, and that in and of itself
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: is in an extraordinariyly accomplishment. And I'm thankful that you're
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: on the program to talk to my listeners all about that.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: And I understand you're going to be going to Normandy
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: to attend the eightieth anniversary. I don't know if I
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: want to call it celebration, but at least commemoration ceremony.
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  Speaker 4: I know what you mean.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, no, I'm leaving. I'm leaving next week.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's fantastic. I wish you the safest of travels.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a real But have you been
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: back since you landed on I guess it was D
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  Speaker 1: Day number two? You landed on the beaches on the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: eighth correct, Omaha, yeah, omaha beach now key, have you
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: been back since?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 13: I haven't. I have sat on a side of a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 13: hill up at Lake Erie here a few years back,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 13: and there was a young lady sitting next to me,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 13: and we got acquainted. Her name is Marie, and I
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 13: found out she is a French official. I don't know
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 13: what her job is for the French government, but she
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 13: got to talking to me and she asked me if
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 13: i'd ever been back over there, and I said no,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 13: but I would.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: Like to go.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 13: She says, well, you're going, and she's sory she put it.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 13: She says, you're going. And I started to feel she's
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 13: a little bit instrumental in with me going over next week.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 13: And her name is Marie. What her last name isn't
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 13: I don't know. And I call her Frenchie. That's great,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 13: and she says, well, Henry, you're the only one I'm
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 13: going to let call me frenchie.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's wonderful. Well, Henry, you know, it's just so
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: neat to have the opportunity to speak with you. You're
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: flying there with seventy World War two veterans from around
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: the country.
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  Speaker 13: Is that well, now, that's the first time I heard
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 13: that many.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got some notes here and that's what it says.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: That's going to be. It's gonna be really while to
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: be able to talk to those fellow veterans and share
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: your experience I'm hoping.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 13: I'm hoping that some of them are some that I
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 13: served with the night that I know. I have no idea,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 13: but I'm hoping, well, can I.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned the beach because that was one of
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: the questions I wanted to ask you. Had you thaught Omaha, Juno, Gold,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: and I believe Sword were the multiple beaches least the
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: code names for them. Omaha was mine, Omaha was yours,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: and that was one of the bloodier conflicts, if I
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: recall correctly my World War II history? What was it
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: like on day two when you landed.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 13: I had my first kill there?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: Oh my yeah.
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  Speaker 13: I was part of the seven man team and we
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 13: were sleeping on the beach that night under a tree,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 13: trying to get some sleep, and Michelle went all over
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 13: our head and it lit it up like daylight, and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 13: we woke up and stand there looking at us. We
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 13: thought was a German soldier with his rifle pointed right
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 13: at us, and one of a shot and killed that
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 13: tree that night. It was a tree branch. But being
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 13: scared to death, kids, our imagination went wild.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Well it's kids, yeah, but any human being in that
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: position would have had the life scared out of them.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: This is what we call badassory, Henry Armstrong. But yeah,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: i'd shoot a tree. I'd probably shoot it a shadow.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: And how could anyone get any sleep under those circumstances?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: How do you accomplish it?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 13: You try, You just try, and you don't get what
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 13: you would call normal sleep. It's dozing sleep. I think
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 13: you you doze off and the least little sound will
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 13: wake you up, and then you go back to sleep
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 13: and the sound will wake you up again. So I
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 13: don't know that anytime over there that I would be
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 13: able to say that I went to bed at night
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 13: and slept a full night.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Oh so how long did it take you to make
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: it off the beach and move? I guess it's south
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: is the direction of head?
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  Speaker 13: Well, we moved really the next day, because you weren't
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 13: on the beach very long. And we moved the next
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 13: day and start moving out of there. I have a
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 13: young fellow at church, and he got me a picture
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 13: of the beach, and the beach is exactly what it says,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 13: it's a beach. There's nothing there but earth the beach.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 13: And then he got me a picture of the same
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 13: area today and there's one hundred somewhat homes that have
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 13: been constructed on that area. On that beach area, there
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 13: is now a military cemetery, there's a military memorial, and
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 13: it's really bit up. It's an attractive area right now.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 13: And I've got pictures of both.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 9: Then and now.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's got to be a little bit heartbreaking
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: to see how much development has shown up since those days.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: But that's what they call progress in many circles.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I guess you're you're absolutely right.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you you get off the beach rather quickly.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: How bad and intense was the fighting as you proceeded
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: south over the next course of days, weeks, months, I
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: guess I need to know that as well.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 7: Well.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 13: It varied, Let's say, let's put it that way.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: It varied.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 13: It all depends on what you came across. If you
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 13: came across a German division, then fighting was pretty furious.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 13: But if you came across just a small we're trying
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 13: to say, a group of Germans patrol, it wasn't bad. Yeah,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 13: I could patrol or something like that. It wasn't that bad, really,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 13: But it all depended on what you were finding along
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 13: the way, And it was surprising the number of things
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 13: that we found along the way that we didn't particularly
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 13: care about it, and one of those was after we
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 13: left France, we went on over to Paris and we
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 13: were supposed to take Paris my division, and we were
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 13: on the outskirts about ready to do it because the
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 13: Germans still occupied Paris at that time, and then we
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 13: were told to stop that they wanted General de Gaulle
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 13: to take Paris.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 13: General de Gaulle being the French general, it's logical that
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 13: he take his own country, you know. So we moved
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 13: and we let General degaul do it. We moved north
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 13: of Paris to a town called Bichet, and it was
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 13: occupied no where was the American division and was fighting
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 13: at the battle for a while. But anyway, we relieved
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 13: them and took the town of Bichet the next day,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 13: and we changed the name. The name of the town
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 13: was called in French Bichet, and it is spelled b
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 13: I T C h E.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: I can understand why, yes, I do, And that provides
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: a perfect springboard for a question I wanted to ask you,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: because you know, I've seen a lot of you know,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: Hollywood movies on World War Two, the D Day Invasion,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: of the like and other various conflicts within the war.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Because obviously raged on for years. What was the reception
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: by the locals when let's say you entered Bochet and
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: liberated the town.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 13: Well, the French, the reception was always great. It was
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 13: just fantastic. And in Germany it was a lot different.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 13: But in France, as we would progress where we were going,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 13: uh into these French countries or French towns, let's say,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 13: and uh and get rid of the Germans there, the
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 13: French were just I can't say, just how polite and
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 13: how nice they were, because they were eager to see
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 13: you and eager, you know, to be relieved of that
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 13: German thing. Because Germans I just had the hardest problem
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 13: in the world with why an adult person, I don't
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 13: care uniform or not, would treat other humans the way
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 13: they did, like the concentration camps for instance.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 13: The one story that really irritated me more than anything
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 13: else over there was when we went through a small
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 13: a small village and in the village we found a
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 13: box car on the railhead, and outside the box car
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 13: were just huge piles of rags and we couldn't figure
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 13: out why so many rags until we got there and
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 13: we found that the rags contained the bodies of women
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 13: and children and little babies, and they had all been executed.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 13: They were all shot. And we found out later on
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 13: that they were Jewish, of course, but you figure, you know,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 13: I love children, I have a lot of my own.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 13: But to realize that a grown person would have the
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 13: nerve to shoot a baby in arms, Why what is
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 13: that baby done to this world? Nothing, It's still a baby.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 13: But they did, and there were several babies that had
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 13: bullet holes in them. And we there because and we
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 13: were really irritated then. But we went on down the
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 13: road and we came across a concentration camp called Gunskirk
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 13: and Lager and the Germans were still occupying that camp,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 13: and we, I guess got rid of about twenty five
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 13: or thirty SS troopers in that camp because of what
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 13: we had seen down the road. And when I say
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 13: got rid of, I mean we got rid of. And
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 13: we opened up the camp to one hundred and some
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 13: odd inmates, and a lot of the inmates there were
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 13: families of the ones we'd found on the road. Oh my,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 13: and the way they treated them. They gave them one
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 13: cup of beef broth a day. That's the only food
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 13: they got. And then if any of them died, and
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 13: a lot of them did, because they were all skin
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 13: and bones, if any of them died, instead of taking
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 13: them out and putting them in a bear ground somewhere,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 13: they just take them out in the woods and put
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 13: them on the ground even later. And that's the way
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 13: they treat them. And I said, that's the reason I
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 13: got so irritated more than anything else, is the way
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 13: they treated another human being.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, you'd think that we'd have learned
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: something by then, but then you know, October seventh of
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: last year occurs, and it seems to me the same
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: type of thing goes on and.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 13: Human it goes on and on and on.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is truly a shame, uh Now, in
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: terms of your recollections of the war. And I had
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: the pleasure to talk with another World War Two veteran
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: who actually was a prisoner of war in Stalog Low three,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: which is the subject matter of The Great Escape, which
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: is a movie we all understand and know about, and
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: he had he commented on that. He said, well, with
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: the exception of Steve McQueen and his motorcycle antics. That
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: movie pretty much was dead on accurate about you know,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: what they did and how they escape. Is there any
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: particular movie that you could say, Yeah, this pretty much
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: sums up the Invasion of Normandy. It's kind of act
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: curate that we could look at and kind of get
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: a feel for what it was truly like. Or has
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: anybody done that yet to meet your level of expectations
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: having been there.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 13: I'll put it this way. I've seen probably most of
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 13: those movies, and I look at it this way. For
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 13: them to make a movie the way they did, they
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 13: had to have a lot of facts about it. And
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 13: I'm going to say that most of the movies that
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 13: I saw were pretty realistic.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 12: But I.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 13: Am not going to put it I wasn't involved in
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 13: a lot of that stuff that they showed. They wanted
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 13: to show all the extreme things. I think, yeah, and
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 13: I wasn't involved in.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 13: I had a few extreme things, but nothing that I
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 13: would say would make a movie.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: Fair enough well to thank god you're still here to
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: talk about it. I understand you had an encounter at
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: some point with a General Patten at the Rhyane River.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 13: You heard that I met General Patten as far as
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 13: I'm concerned, as far as far as most of the
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 13: gis over there are concerned about him. Was the best
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 13: general we had during World War Two. And the reason
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 13: I say that is General Patten was what we called
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 13: a general. He was a leader of troops.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: And he was.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 13: Not only a leader, he respected the troops. You had
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 13: a lot of generals that really didn't respect the people
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 13: that served Dunham. But you had a lot of generals
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 13: that went instead of being up with their troops, they
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 13: were back behind a desk, directing everything over a telephone
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 13: or over a radio, where Patten didn't do Thatten he
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 13: was a leader. And I met him at the Battle
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 13: of the Ryan River. And when the battle was over,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 13: he came down to the river, sit out on the
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 13: barge and gave a little speech of how proud he
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 13: was of the man that served under him. And no
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 13: other general ever did that that I know of, anyway.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 13: And when he got through, he says, I got to
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 13: leave my mark in the river, and he did.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 7: How about that?
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 13: And he went out on the barge and zip his
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 13: pants and he put in the river. And I've got
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 13: that picture.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Oh no, we should have that out. I'm sorry that
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: that should have been on the cover of Time magazine. Henry.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 13: It probably was, because that's been noted in a lot
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 13: of history things. It's a popular thing. I didn't take
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 13: the picture. Somebody else took the picture.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 10: Wow.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: Well, after serving the Army forty one years, reached the
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: rank of what commands sergeant major. Have I got that
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: part right?
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 13: That's there's only one rank in the Army enlisted rank
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 13: that's higher than that, and he's a sergeant major of
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 13: the Army. But I was when they came out with
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 13: a sergeant major rank, which was after the war. Really,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 13: I was on the first order to get it. And
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 13: then they progress from sergeant major to command sergeant major
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 13: and sergeant major of the Army. That's the way they went.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 13: They're all equal ranks, but there's only one that outranks me,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 13: and that's a sergeant major of the Army.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: Well, you rank really high in the hearts and minds
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: of my listeners. This conversation has been absolutely fantastic. Henry
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Armstrong ninety nine years on his way to attend the
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: eightieth D Day Anniversary ceremony at Normandy leaven next week.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: We wish you the best of safe travels. I hope
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to enjoy yourself. I'm sure it's
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: going to be a sort of a melancholy moment reflecting
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: on what you'd experienced when you were there.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 14: Oh, oh, it will be.
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  Speaker 13: If I may, I want to share a story I'm
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 13: very fond of.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Please do.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 13: When I was wounded. I had a little bullet my wrist.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 13: But I was in the hospital for two weeks and
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 13: my nurse that came in took care of me. American nurses,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 13: you can't beat them, They're fantastic. He came in one
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 13: day and she's got this little boy with her. He's
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 13: about seven eight years old, and she says, I want
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 13: you to meet my rose boy. And she pulled his
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 13: jacket up and on his chest and his stomach in
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 13: the pink scar tissue is a full bloom rose. And
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 13: she said him and his buddies had found an American
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 13: hand grenade and they were throwing it back and forth
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 13: like a ball. They had no idea what it was,
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 13: and it went off and most of his buddies were killed,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 13: and he caught a lot of shrapnel in his stomach
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 13: and chest. And an American doctor got a hold of
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 13: him and was able to save his life and fix
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 13: him up. And she was in the process she found
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 13: out that he was an orphan boy. And this American
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 13: nurse now was in the process of adopting this little boy,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 13: and she's taken him home with her. Oh, and I said,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 13: that was such a fantastic story. I can't I never
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 13: forget telling about it.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you do, because it's little stories like
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: that that illustrate you know this, there were heroes and
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: and and you know, fighters like you, people who did
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: the did the heavy work and fought bullets and dodged death.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: And then there's the behind the scenes stories like that
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: that no one ever hears about, but just illustrate that,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: you know, just sort of the highlights of again humanity contrasting,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: you know, the way we are and how we act
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: and how we treat people versus how the Germans treated
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: those poor Jewish folks.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 13: Oh gosh, you just don't understand how an adult person
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 13: can be.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: That mean, no, you don't, Henry Armstrong.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 13: I have a lady here at the home that she
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 13: first time I saw her. She's a little lady in
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 13: a wheelchair, and she come up to me and she
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 13: had to give me a big good everything. You saved
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 13: my life, I did. And I found out that she's Jewish,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 13: and she is. She's American born and lives here at
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 13: the Center with me now. But she because she's Jewish,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 13: she says, I saved her life. So and I can't
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 13: see her when I get in a hug from her.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Oh that's great. I keep saying it all the time. Obviously,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: you quite the ladies, man, Henry Armstrong. I love here
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: all now. Well, you know, and it's real quick here
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: since you literally were involved in liberating one of the
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: concentration camps. I mean, you have a few words for
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: people out there in the world who deny that that
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: actually happened, that the Holocaust did not happen. I mean
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: I hear those words from people and I just I
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: am just appalled at their ignorance.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 13: Well, I look at it this way that what you
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 13: had the word right there, ignorance is it's probably not
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 13: ignorance as much as it is. I don't want to
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 13: hear something like that, no, they didn't do it, because
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 13: I said they didn't do it. And that's what's going
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 13: on really is people are so ashamed of what their
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 13: ancestries did that. They don't want to admit that they
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 13: did it, And I said, you have to be there
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 13: and go through it to realize that what they're saying
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 13: is the truth. And if you stop and realize, today
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 13: is still going on.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Literally still going on even as we speak, Henry Armstrong,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: And it has been a distinct pleasure having on the
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: fifty five Case Morning Show. I wish you's safest travels.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: As I mentioned, as you attend the eightieth d Day anniversary,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: and you know what, you have a welcome spot here
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: on the fifty five Carssy Morning Show to give us
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: an account of your experience there when you come back.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 13: All right, I appreciate that well, I hope thank you
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 13: for the.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Interview bringing back hometown hero Bob Dolan, who is celebrating
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: his one hundred and four birthday this coming weekend March
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: twenty first, and who proudly served his country in World
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: War Two and also knows everything that went on at
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: stalog Loft three, which is that movie Steve McQueen was
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: in Great Escape and I had the pleasure of meeting
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: and having lunch with Bob Doolan a year or two
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: ago thanks to Steve Murray, who also is a veteran.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Steve entered America's military because of Bob Doolan. Bob Doolan, welcome.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: It's a great pleasure to have you on the fifty
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: five KRC Morning Show.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 9: Sir, good morning, Thank you.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: And I know Steve Murray, you influenced that man's life
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: tremendously because of you. He joined America's military and he
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: proudly served until retirement, so he was career military and
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: he always gave you credit for influencing him in a
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: positive way. Bob, And I know you influenced a lot
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: of young men. You were a scout master back in
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: the day, right, yes, And that's after you, that's all.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: That's after you served your country, of course, in World
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: War two. So let us thank you for your service
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: to our country. And let's find out what year did
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: you enlist in the military, Bob.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 9: August nineteen forty.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: One, So you heated the call? Is that the World
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: War two? Or that was before fly you wanted to fly?
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: Was before? That was before the bombing of Pearl Harbor,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't it?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 14: It was before?
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: How about that? That's right? Because that was December seventh,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: nineteen forty one. Yeah, yeah, you were already in that bet.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: That came as a shock to you, Bob.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 9: Yes, it was editor. I was home on that weekend.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: Oh you're on leave.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 9: Well, I had gone to pilot school and I wasn't
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 9: good enough to go beyond shingle engine, so they shent
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 9: me home until I was going to go back to
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 9: navigation school and.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: You ended up. You ended up as a navigator on
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: a B seventeen. Right now, how many missions did you
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: go on until Well, sadly you were shot down because
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: you ended up in Staloch three. We all know that.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 9: Because it's thirteen missions.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: So you're telling me the lucky number thirteen is the
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: mission you were on when you got shot down.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 9: At that time, we had to do twenty five and
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 9: we could go home, and you're ready for the Pacific.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: Wow? Where were you flying over when you were shot.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 9: Down, sir cousin Kirktain in the ruh Rallies northeast of
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 9: the Rhine?
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: Okay? And were you immediately captured when you're plane landed
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: or crashed or what happened?
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 9: I told the other manner with me, shout is that
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 9: way get out of here? The Germans will be hearing
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 9: five minutes and I did mid contact with the resistance
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 9: and I was loosed for three weeks.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: Louis, but ultimately got caught by the Gestape.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 9: I guess, yes, yeah, we would walk, if we were walking,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 9: we would walk separated by one hundred feet. So the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 9: first man was captured, and I was going into what
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 9: was supposed to be a shafe house up near the Hague,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 9: and I just touched the doorknob and instantaneously the doorknob
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 9: was open, and I have that sixth man all over me.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 9: There were three gets stoppo and three SS troops and
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 9: they hit me over the head and the other ones
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 9: got a handcuffs army. The othern's got a gag in
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 9: my mouth, and their fourth one pushed me down to
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 9: the floor.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: Wow, well, did they take you directly to stalog lose three?
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 9: Oh no, I was a prisoner of the Gestapo for
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 9: three weeks. Oh no, it was after any you know.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 9: They they want to know who helped me. And I
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 9: had been in two or three houses in that time.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 9: They had traveled from one end to Holland to the
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 9: other on the train. But hey, hey, I was the
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 9: first man in and then they just leave me that
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 9: he had hurt me. They just hit me and pushed
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 9: me down, put the cups on me.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: But they hit you. I would say that problem, that
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: would hurt, that would hurt. I'm certain of that gestoppo treatment.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine being pleasant at all. So after they're
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: done with you for three weeks, is that when they
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: shifted you over to the pow camp.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 9: They turned me over to the look bloffer. Yeah, and
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 9: the louchtloffer came. I was entered into the what they
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 9: call an interrogation camp do lag look boklog Dordlogger, which
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 9: you through the Air Force was interviewing prisoners should have.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 9: They wanted to get any information we could get at
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 9: the Germans and the Allied Air forces. And I left
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 9: there and was shent on a train to Stalog Love three,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 9: which was in the actually in Germany right at the
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 9: Polish border. I was prisoner number two thousand and five
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 9: hundred and fifty five. There. The camp was as an
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 9: old camp, but they didn't have prisoners until just recently.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: So how are the conditions? And I know most of
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: my listening audience has seen The Great Escape, the movie
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: about stalog Luft three, and these and the tunnels that
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: were dug, well, go ahead.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 9: Germans really kept the camp and us in good ship.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 9: There was no personal animosity between us and our guard.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 9: In fact, some of them had been fires in World
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 9: War One. The camp when I got there, the camp
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 9: had twenty twenty five hundred prisoners. It kept. Now we're
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 9: getting more bob groups from English, from the United States,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 9: so every week we get new men.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Were we divided by nationality? Because the Great Escape movie
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: seemed to think that this showed that the British were
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: on one side and the Americans were on another. Is
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: that accurate?
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 9: When I got there, the Americans and the British were
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 9: together together who they opened a new camp and they
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 9: moved all the Britains out of there.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, Now, whose idea was the tunneling project? When was that?
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: How long were you there when that was hatched? And
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: did you did you participate or know that that was
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: going on?
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 9: Actually at Stylet Gluke three, eventually there were five different enclosures,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 9: you know, because you can't even govern us man easier
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 9: than five thousands. Uh So I was not in the
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 9: camp where that tunnel was a crook. Okay, the tunnel
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 9: was in the north camp and I was in center camp.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: Did you get word about the tunnels being dug when
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: you were at the south the other camp, or did
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: they find out about that? Find out about that later, Bob,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: not much.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 9: We didn't get much information because you don't want to
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 9: put that information on I knew the the engineer for
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 9: the tunnel was a Canadian. It was uh challenge. I
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 9: can't think of his name right now. Uh, but uh,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 9: there was no there was no tunneling from the center
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 9: camp where I was. There were some sheeps sneaking out
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 9: over at the fence at night, but that was a
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 9: total limit. So we did We knew that there was
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 9: a tunnel going on about not much else.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: When the tunnels were discovered, I imagine there had to
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: have been rather an uproar at the camp. What was
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: the response from the Germans after the tunnels were discovered,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: at least in so far as you and the rest
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: of the prisoners are concerned.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 9: Well, they may have been a little more strict, but
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 9: there wasn't much. I say, we were in a different
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 9: section of the camp, and of course it was hard
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 9: on var Men buying her the German colonel he was
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 9: court martialed immediately, and he was an old Air Force
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 9: man and by and large he treated us.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 14: Well.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 9: He ignored us most of the time.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: Well, when you're dealing with the Germans the Nazis in
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: that situation, Bob, I would think that's a good thing,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: you get ignored. It sounded to me like not as
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: bad as many prison camps could have been. No one
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: wants to be in a prison camp. But we did
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: this relationship with the guards and the men there. Did
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: that help facilitate getting these tunnels done? Because when I've
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: seen the Great Escape, I always wonder how in the
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: heck did they get cameras to take pictures? Where did
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: all this equipment come from? In clothing items and all
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: the stuff that they needed to fake their way out.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 9: The clothing was furnished by the Red Cross. They didn't
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 9: pay for it, but they the only one that could
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 9: deliver it. We had the red parcel weighed seven pounds.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 9: The food parcel it was intended to keep one man
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 9: alive for a week, but they had twelve ounces of spam,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 9: twelve ounces of corn, pound of margarine. We didn't try
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 9: for some chalk with some cheese, and five packages of
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 9: cigarette which were currency and still currency in Europe when
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 9: trains could move and ships weren't being so we were
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 9: supposed to get a Red Cross parcel every week. They
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 9: never happened. The two Cincinnati companies helped us a lot.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 9: The United States Floting Card Company was in Norwood. We
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 9: wanted maps, escape maps. So there are fifty two cards
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 9: in the deck, forty cards, two jokers and two uh
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 9: faced eagle or bicycle advertising. And they would print a
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 9: map on their showing the best routes of escape and
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 9: where they were Germans. And then they would cut him
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 9: up into I mean they would cover it up with
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 9: it and then cut him up into cards. And if
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 9: there was a map in a deck of cards, the
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 9: coasted the attacked stamp on the front of the bat
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 9: us put slanting so that we didn't want to play
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 9: with those cards. When they got to the camp, we
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 9: could choak them in water and that face card and
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 9: numbers came off. Then we just set up a map
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 9: for escape.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: That is amazing.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 9: There was a baseball coming in. I mean maybe you
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 9: come in Pete Goldslift Sons. They made base They made
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 9: all kinds of sporting goods, but they made baseballs and
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 9: Washington came down and said, we once you is that
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 9: little capsule in the middle of a baseball once you
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 9: put a map in there. I'm sorry, But now for
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 9: radio park, so we could build a radio.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: So little by little you accumulate this stuff and you
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: had everything you needed once you dug out and got
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: outside the wall, which, of course before we part company.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: Bob and I really enjoyed our time talking again today. Uh,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: in terms of accuracy of the movie The Greatest Scape,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: what would you say, is it accurate? Is it half accurate,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: or is it completely Rather.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 9: Than the motorcycle ride, it was very accurate.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, So Steve McQueen riding a motorcycle and jumping of
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: fence was done for Hollywood purposes only not shocking.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 9: That's right. He wouldn't do the movie if he didn't
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 9: let him mind.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: Bob from my listeners to you, God, bless you, sir.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you for your service to our country. Thanks for
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: spending time with us today, and a very happy birthday
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: coming up March twenty first. I have a feeling it's
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: going to be a birthday to remember, sir.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
• 1:42:35
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  Speaker 1: book War Room, Daily Cloud, Peiser documents, analysis volunteers reports
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  Speaker 1: find out what Peiser FDA tried to conceal like their
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: efficacy results. To doctor wolf it's a pleasure to have
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  Speaker 1: you back on the fifty five Case Morning Show.
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  Speaker 15: Thanks so much for having me back on again.
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  Speaker 1: And I appreciate your deep dive into these Pfiser documents,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: which but for a court order, we might not even have.
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  Speaker 1: But you did a look into the efficacy the vaccine's
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: efficacy and apparently Pfiser had the results of these studies
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  Speaker 1: before the November of twenty twenty election, what impact, Why
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  Speaker 1: did they sit on it, and what impact do you
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  Speaker 1: think they had given what you know about the efficacy
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  Speaker 1: standards that you uncovered.
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  Speaker 15: So it's just a note, it's not my own work.
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  Speaker 15: It's thirty five hundred doctors and scientists who have come
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  Speaker 15: forward to read through the Pfiser documents, as you mentioned,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 15: release center court order and write reports that anyone can
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 15: understand explaining what's in the documents and what they did
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  Speaker 15: find in the documents is a really shocking assault against humanity,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 15: to say the least, with a special focus on destroying
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 15: human reproduction. So what you just mentioned is that Pfeiser
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  Speaker 15: had enough data according to its own contract for what
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  Speaker 15: is enough data to declare to conclude that the vaccines
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 15: were safe and effective, even though they were using kind
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 15: of false metrics to reach that conclusion. But they had
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 15: enough data to make that announcement, and their contract.
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  Speaker 5: Stipulated that they had.
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  Speaker 15: To make it before November first of twenty twenty. And
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  Speaker 15: yet and their contract was with the Department of Defense,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 15: and yet they sat on that announcement, violating their contract
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 15: until November ninth, twenty twenty, after the election, And basically
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 15: what they were doing was, and I you know, I
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 15: am not partisan, I voted for Biden, I'm sorry to say.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 15: But what they essentially did was they withheld a victory
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 15: from President Trump, who was being as sales on the
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 15: campaign trail for not doing enough to get a vaccine out,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 15: not doing enough to stop COVID, and they gave a
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 15: gift to the newly elected President Biden, well, a.
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  Speaker 1: Gift that actually didn't turn out to be a vaccine
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  Speaker 1: in the sense it didn't stop you from contracting COVID
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  Speaker 1: or allowing you to spread it. But that's a different story.
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  Speaker 1: What this contract. You know, when I'm being a lawyer,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, a contract usually involves one or or
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: two or more parties the other part of the contract.
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  Speaker 1: US government. Weren't they the ones that should have enforced
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  Speaker 1: the release of these these documents? Were they in on
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: the sitting on these reports?
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 15: Well, exactly, of course, there is someone or you know,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 15: any number of people whose job is to make sure
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 15: that this contract was properly observed and enforced. And so yes,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 15: that those people in the US government who would be
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 15: pretty Senior made the decision to let that happen or
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 15: colludeed in that decision because they would have known that.
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  Speaker 15: You know, the end of October was when the contract
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  Speaker 15: said pleaser had to make the announcement, make the update
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  Speaker 15: of whether it's vaccine safety aspected.
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  Speaker 1: There are standards for studies of medicine. We know that
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  Speaker 1: it's very difficult. Wrote to Hoo to try to get
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  Speaker 1: FDA approval. You have to go through multiple clinical trials,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: et cetera. It's it appears to me, and this is
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for either correct me if I'm wrong, or
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: confirm that I'm right. This contract identified the number of
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: patients that needed to be looked at in terms of
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: evaluating the efficacy of this and it was a very
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: low number. One hundred and seventy. Have I read that right?
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  Speaker 15: Yes, in order to declare the vaccine safe and effective.
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  Speaker 15: That's how many people the contract stipulated they needed. Actually
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 15: only sixty two at the end of October, and ultimately
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 15: one hundred and seventy. But there's so many things wrong
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 15: with the contract. I mean, I should just say the
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  Speaker 15: vaccine didn't have to go through the usual FDA trials
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  Speaker 15: because it was delivered via an emergency use authorization. Right,
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  Speaker 15: But so yeah, even so, you know, what these volunteers
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  Speaker 15: have found is that you know, funny mass all the
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  Speaker 15: way through in order to be able to claim efficacy.
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  Speaker 15: For instance, two hundred vaccinated people got COVID and one
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 15: hundred and well a little less than two hundred and
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 15: should say unvaccinated people got COVID, and so there would
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 15: be negative efficacy if they kept the actual numbers. And
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 15: so what Fizer did was they just dropped the two
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 15: hundred vaccinated people with COVID from their calculation so that
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  Speaker 15: they could claim that the vaccine was ninety five percent
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 15: safe and effective.
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  Speaker 1: So what they sat on was erroneous information, and then
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: they released erroneous information to benefit Biden. But ultimately it
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: benefited Biden only in so far as that we the
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: American people who were being told we needed a vaccine,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: didn't realize at the time that it wasn't going to
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  Speaker 1: help us, and in some cases maybe hurt us.
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  Speaker 15: Well in many cases, I mean, that's the tragic thing.
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  Speaker 15: In a month after rollout in November twenty twenty, TiSER
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 15: concluded that the vaccines failed. They concluded in their own
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  Speaker 15: words that there was quote vaccine failure and failure of efficacy,
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  Speaker 15: and in the Pleisure documents, the third most common side
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  Speaker 15: effect of getting the vaccine is COVID, So it doesn't
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  Speaker 15: stop you from getting COVID and it doesn't stop you
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  Speaker 15: from transmitting it. And they knew that from the very start,
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  Speaker 15: but they didn't tell the American people. And unfortunately it's
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  Speaker 15: not just in some cases there are side effects. What
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  Speaker 15: the volunteers have found is tens of thousands of very
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 15: serious side effects, industrial level neurological events, strokes, blood problems,
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  Speaker 15: blood clots, lung clots, leg clots, hemorrhages, hard damage and
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 15: brain damage, kidney damage, liver damage, and twelve hundred and
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  Speaker 15: twenty five deaths in just three months. In a number
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  Speaker 15: of the reports the volunteers made, half of the ever's
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  Speaker 15: events were within forty eight hours of receiving injection. And yeah,
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  Speaker 15: and you know they knew, for instance, by May of
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  Speaker 15: twenty twenty one that miners sustained heart damage thirty five
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 15: miners and the one studies sustained heart damage within a
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 15: week after receiving me A Murni injection. But they didn't
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  Speaker 15: tell the American people and the FDA didn't tell the
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  Speaker 15: American people till four months later, August of twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 15: And you know, I could go on and on about
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 15: the serious side effects and mortality, but the centerpiece of
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  Speaker 15: the Peiser documents is an attack on especially women's ability
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  Speaker 15: to get pregnant, to carry a baby, the term, to
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  Speaker 15: deliver healthy baby. And Peiser knew that the vaccine was
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  Speaker 15: causing catastrophic menstrual damage to women. They have charts showing
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  Speaker 15: tens of thousands of women in each category of menstrual damage.
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  Speaker 15: I totally calmly noted. And they knew that the the
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  Speaker 15: banoparticles accumulating the ovaries damage the placenta. They knew that
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  Speaker 15: babies were dying in utero due to their moms getting vaccinated.
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  Speaker 15: They describe to babies as dying due to transpercental exposure
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  Speaker 15: in the room. They knew that the lipidan particles made
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 15: childbirth more dangerous. Maternal deaths are up forty percent because
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  Speaker 15: of compromised percentas. They knew that they were damaging creating
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  Speaker 15: a situation which babies couldn't breathe because there's an air
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  Speaker 15: pocket between their lungs and their chest walls. And this
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  Speaker 15: is what we're seeing, and there's a thirteen to twenty
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  Speaker 15: percent dropping live births two years after the confection rules out.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, just observe as we have to part
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  Speaker 1: company and I would talk to you for hours via
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  Speaker 1: the time, doctor Naomi wolf all the while our government
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  Speaker 1: is working with social media to prevent people from even
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  Speaker 1: having a discussion about these realities. Oh my word, this
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  Speaker 1: has got massive legs. I cannot thank you for the
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  Speaker 1: research that you and the rest of the folks who
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: worked on war Room Daily Cloud Pfizer Documents. Will put
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  Speaker 1: a link to this so my listeners can get the
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  Speaker 1: studies in that book. Go to fifty five KRC dot
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  Speaker 1: com and read what is in there. It sounds absolutely shocking,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Wolfe. I look forward to the time when you
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  Speaker 1: and I get to talk again. It has been a
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  Speaker 1: real pleasure having you on the program today.
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  Speaker 15: Thank you so much for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it, my pleasure. Eight forty fifty five carsit
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  Speaker 1: Detalk Station. My at least former cancer doctor doctor David Waterhouse,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: oh internationally recognize scientists. Given his background in vaccinations, of
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: virology and the like. Doctor Malone is a real pleasure
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  Speaker 1: to have you on the fifty five cars morning to
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  Speaker 1: talk about your book and some of the revelations we've
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  Speaker 1: learned about the vaccine that was supposed to cure or
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: prevent us from getting COVID and doesn't do that, nor
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: does it prevent the spread. It's a good heavy on
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  Speaker 1: the fifty five krs Morning show. Sir, good morning.
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  Speaker 8: Well thanks a lot for that introduction. I agree with
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  Speaker 8: your statement at these products do not prevent infection, replication
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  Speaker 8: or spread at the virus. That's clear, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and that alone negates all of this. Do it
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  Speaker 1: for the rest of humanity? Argument that we were fed
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  Speaker 1: for a long time. You've got to get the vaccine.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: You got to get the vaccine. It's not for you,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: it's for everybody else, although it will reduce the severity
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: of your COVID infection. Now, I had a very very
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: bad COVID infection. I was out for about a month.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: This was before the vaccine was even available. But at
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: my personal immunity levels, I had my tea to sell
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: or my t tests done and I think an excess
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: of fifty provided you with some immunity. Mine was at
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: fourteen thousand, more than a year after I had COVID,
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: so I felt like I had pretty darn good protection.
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  Speaker 1: But no, no, no, they're out there telling you the
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: natural immunity is not as good as the vaccine. But
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: then again, now they're telling us it is. This is
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: why we question our government officials from time to time. Also,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: and more important, more importantly, sir, the risks associated with
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: the vaccine emergency use authorization. As an attorney, you know,
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  Speaker 1: i'd like to know, thank you very much, what the
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: risks are with the vaccine. We didn't get the list
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: of instructions and the attendant risk because they didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're all big, one big guinea pig factory out
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: here finding out that, yeah, there are risks associated with it.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know about these potential risk having invented this technology, doctor.
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  Speaker 6: No, there was.
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  Speaker 8: Remember I did my work back in nineteen eighty eight
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 8: to nineteen ninety one, was the main body of work
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 8: that the nine patents were issued from, and then I
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 8: continued working on it through the nineteen nineties with different
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 8: formulations in various academic positions. I could never overcome the inflammation,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 8: which is the reason why I dropped the technology. In
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 8: addition to the fact that I was owned by Merk
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 8: and they were very aggressive in ensuring that no one
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 8: developed the technology, including myself. But there was no way
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 8: to know that this was going to be used in
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 8: this way and that the government was going to bypass
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 8: all norms of clinical research, safety testing, pre clinical testing,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 8: and regulatory UH norms in terms of ensuring safety and effectiveness.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 8: There's no way to know that a lot of the
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 8: toxicity is associated with the spike protein. And you can
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 8: see that because all of these vaccines that contain spike
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 8: have certain effects on blood clotting and myocarditis, for example,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 8: and seem to have similar effects on some of the
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 8: brain function problems. But there are other toxicities that seem
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 8: to be unique to the m R and A products,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 8: and they're in they're you know, positively charged fat formulations.
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  Speaker 1: Now, to the extent they continue using these, the emergency
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: use authorization has to end at some point. They're free
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: from any liability, so it doesn't, no, it doesn't doesn't.
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  Speaker 8: And that's one of the key things that people have
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 8: gotten distracted about. They're dropping the UH declaration of medical emergency.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 8: The US government is under the Biden administration in the
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 8: near future, but the authorization for emergency use comes under
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 8: a separate statute and they haven't done anything about that.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 8: So currently the euas will continue. And it's fascinating that
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 8: neither Piser nor More Donna will provide the actual licensed product.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 8: That was all a ploy on the part of the
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 8: Biden administration to impose the mandates, but neither Piser no
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 8: more Donner will provide those. Only the EUA product is
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 8: available because of the various issues with liability and the
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 8: requirements that they perform additional clinical trials, just like they
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 8: were required to perform clinical trials and pregnancy, but they bypass.
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  Speaker 1: That frightening stuff and even maybe more frightening, equally frightening
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: the alignment of government and media and doctor Fauci and
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical companies lockstep saying this was this was absolutely necessary,
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: and that it was aoka for you to be fired
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: from your job for not taking this drug. How is
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: it that they all collectively got together and even censored you.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: You were the inventor of this, and they just they
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: completely censored you and and smeared you when you're one
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: of the most authoritative individuals on this Why is there
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: a Why is there an answer to that? Out there, sir,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: what we know right.
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  Speaker 8: Now, And I don't want to speculate about what was
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 8: going on in people's minds because I'm not a mind reader.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 8: But we can see the artifacts, the documents and the
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 8: paper trails from what they've done, and for instance, we
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 8: can see that in the Twitter files, and we can
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 8: see it in the Attorney General's State attorney General's lawsuit
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 8: against Google and the US government. It's very clear that
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 8: the government took a position that was really first developed
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 8: or certainly advanced during the Event two one that was
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 8: held in the fall of twenty nineteen, sponsored by Bill
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 8: Gates and the WEF, in which they decided that they
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 8: were going to do this really extreme propaganda effort under
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 8: the thesis that they would have a safe and effective
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 8: vaccine and that there would be no drugs that would
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 8: be effective, and that the virus would be highly lethal.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 8: Those are their assumptions, and they just marched forward based
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 8: on that and said, well, to protect the public, we're
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 8: going to have to shut down and censor people that
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 8: say anything that might cause quote vaccine hesitancy, whether or
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 8: not it's true. And so that was the rationale, was
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 8: that for our own good, we had to be protected
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 8: from information because it might lead us to not take
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 8: a product that turns out was neither safe nor effective.
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  Speaker 1: It's a cosmic gambles what they rolled the dice on.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: It seems the other component of it is. And I
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: thought this was an offense to all practitioners of medicine,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: the idea that you can diagnose and be diagnostician for
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: your patient and prescribe medications that you believe would be
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: effective in dealing with the underlying problem. In this case
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: the symptoms of COVID. Some were terrible for some and
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: some were really light for others. But ivermectin came out
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: really early as a potential use, and yet it will
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: be an off label use. So they criticized even the
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: consideration of that in the face of sound medical literature
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: that it worked.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 8: Ivermectin and hydroxy chloroquine, and hydroxy chloroquine was even identified
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 8: by a paper by Tony Fauci a few years ago
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 8: before this outbreak as effective against stars I, which is
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 8: closely related. So there's a whole lot of questions. Of course,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 8: the President of the United States, whatever you think of
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 8: mister Trump, the President of the United States, directed that
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 8: hydroxy chloroquine be made available, and Peter Navarro went to
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 8: great links to secure enough drug supply, and Janet Woodcock
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 8: at FDA and Rick Bright at BARTA basically colluded to
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 8: circumvent the will and decision of the President of the
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 8: United States through various bureaucratic shenanigans.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: And that was purely political, but it also was and
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: I'm certainly a financial motivation, because of course, the pharmaceutical
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: companies end up making billions of dollars off of this,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: because you're not allowed to rely on something else that
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: might have been equally effective in reducing your symptoms.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 8: So to that point, the article we're writing right now
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 8: for today involves the current director of the Center for
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 8: Drug Evaluation and Research, who has been put in that
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 8: place to replace Janet Woodcock. She was put in there
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 8: by Scott Gottlieb, who then left and went to Pfizer,
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 8: and she had previously been a senior Pfizer executive. She's
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 8: a Canadian, and she was advanced through the FDA ranks
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 8: unusually quickly to the point now where she's one of
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 8: the most powerful people in the FDA right now, and
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 8: she is all in a phisor I mean, the corruption
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 8: here and the revolving door is deep, well documented, readily acknowledged.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 8: You'll remember the project Veritus honey Trap, in which this
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 8: revolving door was directly acknowledged by a senior a Pfizer executive.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 8: And we have a deep problem right now with the
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 8: compromise of our government and the administrative state by the
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 8: interests of large corporations. It's not just Pharma, it's Boeing,
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 8: it's Monsano, it's all these big corporations compromising the independence
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 8: of the agencies that are supposed to be regulating them.
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: And over whom the agencies have a tremendous amount of
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: control over their future. So by working with them and
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: caving to the will of government, you maybe avoid a
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: compleat c and sought it, or you may be more
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: likely to get a grant or some other favor curried
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: by government. So don't buck the system. Is that where
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  Speaker 1: we are.
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  Speaker 8: It is, and it's actually where we've been for a
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  Speaker 8: long time. It's just that the last the stress on
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  Speaker 8: the system over the last three years has revealed it
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  Speaker 8: to a lot of people that were previously ignorant. And
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  Speaker 8: I got to admit I thought I really understood a
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 8: lot of this and what was going on. And when
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  Speaker 8: I read Bobby Kennedy's book The Real Anthony Fauci, I
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  Speaker 8: was depressed for three weeks. I realized that I only
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 8: knew a fraction of it. Everything is siloed, compartmentalized, so
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 8: that people aren't really aware of how corrupted things are,
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 8: because there's very few people that see across the government horizontally.
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  Speaker 8: They just see their own individual silos and they go
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 8: about their daily job.
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  Speaker 1: I can certainly understand that lies my government told me.
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  Speaker 1: And the Better Future Coming by my guest today, doctor
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: Robert Malone, the second part of the title, and the
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: Better Future Coming, What can we do about it? Obviously
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: there's a little optimism built into the title of your book.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: So can you offer some words of encouragement before we part?
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  Speaker 1: Come today, doctor Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: So one of the practical things that everybody can do
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  Speaker 8: is work towards a more decentralized future. There are all
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 8: kinds of forces that are driving us towards a kind
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 8: of a global world government set up, and there are
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 8: many ways we can oppose those forces and work towards
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  Speaker 8: a decentralized future, which is what George Orwell believed was
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 8: the only way out of that dark future that he
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 8: envisioned in nineteen eighty four. And one of the things
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 8: we can do here is you cannot be a victim.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 7: Be a warrior.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 8: Learn how fifth generation warfare works. Understand the term, Understand
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 8: the propaganda that's been deployed on all of us. And
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 8: as soon as you do that, you become or resistant
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 8: to it. You can see through it, and then you
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 8: can start to act in the grocery line and on
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  Speaker 8: social media in all kinds of ways. This is a
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  Speaker 8: new era where people can be empowered.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that optimism. That's what my morning show is
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: all about, you know. And you have to learn not
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: to care if someone is online smearing you, you know what,
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: you can rise above that and ignore them. You know
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: what opinions are like, doctor, everybody's got one. It's been
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  Speaker 1: a real pleasure. Keep fighting the good fight, doctor Malone.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great having you on. I'm going to encourage
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  Speaker 1: my listeners to buy a copy of your book, which
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: will be easily available at fifty five carec dot com,
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  Speaker 1: Share it with your friends and speak truth to power.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Malone, thank you for your time today, and thanks
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: for doing exactly that and speaking truth to power.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you, sir, Thanks for your time too, and.
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  Speaker 1: Thanking from the bottom of my art for agreeing to
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  Speaker 1: come on the fifty five Percy Morning Show. You see
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  Speaker 1: Professor biological Science, doctor Joseph Benoit, doctor Benoir, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for coming in the program. I found out about this
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  Speaker 1: crazy alpha gal syndrome yesterday apparently transmitted by lone star tics,
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: which we do have in the state of Ohio. There's
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: a big outbreak in Virginia of this syndrome, which is
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: referred to as a meat allergy that's contracted through tick
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  Speaker 1: bites and apparently can be life threatening. We had some
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  Speaker 1: listeners calling after I brought this subject up and said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I know some people who have this. It's horrific. They
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  Speaker 1: haven't been able to eat meat in years. Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the program, doctor, it's great having you on. Were you
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  Speaker 1: Are you familiar? You're familiar with this?
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  Speaker 14: Eh, yeah, I'm familiar with it. It's actually a pretty
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  Speaker 14: common it's actually not a disease. Rather, it's just an
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  Speaker 14: allergy to the ticks themselves. And what will happen with
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  Speaker 14: it is pretty much they have the moment star tics
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  Speaker 14: have sugars and other molecules in their spit. And what
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  Speaker 14: will happen is people get a bit by a tick.
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  Speaker 14: Your bit for four or five six days exposed a
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  Speaker 14: lot of it, and then that caused you to be
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  Speaker 14: allergic to these specific sugar molecules, and that's pretty much
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  Speaker 14: what happens, and so it could be pretty dangerous later
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  Speaker 14: on if you're exposed again. And a lot of these
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  Speaker 14: sugars are just found in meat types, so pretty much
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  Speaker 14: any red meat. But then like fish, reptiles, birds, like chicken,
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  Speaker 14: you're fine to eat.
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  Speaker 1: Well. So your body's immune response is to attack the
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  Speaker 1: tick venom or the tick saliva, but it can't determine
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  Speaker 1: the difference between the meat you eat and that particular
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  Speaker 1: immune response. So it's launching an immune response for something
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  Speaker 1: that your body shouldn't launch an immune response over.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's exactly what it is. You could also get it.
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  Speaker 14: So some people just develop it just normally, like not normally,
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  Speaker 14: but just they'll eat meat, they'll develop an allergy to it,
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  Speaker 14: and it happens in but that's a lot that's very rare,
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  Speaker 14: and it just really with this tick. It's these alpha
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  Speaker 14: galle molecules. They expose you to so many of them,
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  Speaker 14: then from that point on your body thinks that it's
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  Speaker 14: actually you're being invaded, either by a pathogen or some
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  Speaker 14: sort of foreign body. So you end up with this
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  Speaker 14: this prolonged and reaction, and once you get it, there's
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  Speaker 14: really no way to.
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  Speaker 9: Turn it around.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my, now is it? Can you get it from
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  Speaker 1: any lone star tick or is there only certain of
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: them that carry it? Like lime disease for example. My
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: understanding is not all ticks carry lime disease, but some do.
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  Speaker 1: Is this it's just the saliva that this particular tick has,
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  Speaker 1: or has the tick itself contracted this or otherwise carried
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  Speaker 1: this that not all lone star ticks carry.
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  Speaker 8: No.
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  Speaker 14: It seems to really just be the actual tick itself.
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  Speaker 14: But even if you get bitten by it, it doesn't
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  Speaker 14: as I have actually been personally bitten by lone star
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  Speaker 14: ticks before, don't have the syndrome. So it's you can
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  Speaker 14: still be bit by the ticks and not develop it.
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  Speaker 14: It's just you have to have kind of the right
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  Speaker 14: genetics be bitten by the tick. And they think there's
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  Speaker 14: some population effects potentially where certain groups of loan startics
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  Speaker 14: are likely more likely to cause this alpha gal syndrome.
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  Speaker 14: So it's really not it's not just any loan startics,
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  Speaker 14: but it's maybe certain populations of loan startics, and then
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  Speaker 14: they have to bite and feed on the right people
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  Speaker 14: in order for them to develop this syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now what what type of allergic reaction are people
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  Speaker 1: going to have if this if they if they're afflicted
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  Speaker 1: with alpha gal syndrome.
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  Speaker 14: Oh, I mean mainly just think like when you start
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  Speaker 14: thinking of people with like that full bore immune reaction,
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  Speaker 14: like when they're allergic to anything. I mean we're talking,
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  Speaker 14: you'll get hives, you'll get itchy, you'll get rashy, there'll
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  Speaker 14: be some like not because mainly the next time is
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  Speaker 14: when you eat it, and so you'll get a reaction
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  Speaker 14: with your stomach where you'll get nausea, vomiting, you can
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  Speaker 14: drop in like blood pressure, dizziness, and so really just
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  Speaker 14: think of a very severe immune reaction with some abdominal
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  Speaker 14: issues as well, after you've eaten the red meat, and
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  Speaker 14: usually it's about two to six hours after that, and
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  Speaker 14: even some people can after you've consumed it, and even
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  Speaker 14: for some people's cases, it can even extend to like
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  Speaker 14: dairy products as well, and so you're pretty much eliminated
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  Speaker 14: from red wheat meat and some dairy products. And then
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  Speaker 14: you even have to worry about it. And they've gotten
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  Speaker 14: rid of a lot of these because of this. But
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  Speaker 14: there's some sort of like there's some coatings on medication
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  Speaker 14: and those sort of things that are also based off
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  Speaker 14: this alpha gl molecule, So then you have to watch
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  Speaker 14: a little bit for that. So it's and really like,
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  Speaker 14: even if you develop it, it can range from like
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  Speaker 14: a mild effect to life threatening. But what will happened
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  Speaker 14: with a lot of people, say you develop it, your
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  Speaker 14: first reactions are mild and people will just like keep
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  Speaker 14: eating the meat and right sort of thing, and that
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  Speaker 14: it can get worse.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wonderful, because I personally would want to live in
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  Speaker 1: a state of denial that the meat that I'm eating
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  Speaker 1: has anything to do with my health. But here you
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: have this terrible condition and I happen to like a
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: bacon cheeseburger from time to time, doctor, and I can't
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: imagine life without all of these wonderful things that you
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: refer to, which we might be prohibited from eating real quickly,
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  Speaker 1: for we part company. If someone believes they have this
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: or has been bent by a lone star tike and
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  Speaker 1: starts developing these symptoms, I seek medical attention. You said
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 1: there's no cure for it, But what's your recommendation for
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: listeners who might might be experiencing this?
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  Speaker 14: I mean what I would do I was a go
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 14: to the doctor. You're probably going to have to change
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  Speaker 14: your diet. You're probably really going to have to stop
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  Speaker 14: eating mammal meat, to be honest, beef, pork, lamb, rabbit,
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  Speaker 14: and depind on your level of severity, you may even
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 14: have to avoid milk products as well. And then there's
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  Speaker 14: really like some people will like even have reaction to
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  Speaker 14: some other like drugs, and so you should just talk
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 14: to your doctor. You'll probably if it ends up severe,
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  Speaker 14: you're probably going to have to have a massive lifestyle
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  Speaker 14: change that focuses on avoiding red meat products the rest
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  Speaker 14: of your life.
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  Speaker 1: Well, one of the listeners that called in yesterday doctors
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  Speaker 1: said that the person who they knew had this alpha
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: Gole syndrome couldn't be even in the room where meat
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: was being prepared. The the I guess the fats or
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: whatever the got into the air. She would react to
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: those in the same way, does that sound like something
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: you've heard before of experienced before in your practice.
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  Speaker 14: That is like the rarest of the rare situations I've
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 14: heard on. That would be like you get the example
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  Speaker 14: of the kids of pena allergies. Yeah, when they have
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 14: the pena allergies to the point where like they can't
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  Speaker 14: even be like if anybody in the cafeteria has a
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 14: peanut butter product or a nut product, that they can't
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 14: be in the same room. So that's like the rarest
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  Speaker 14: of the case. Usually most of them never developed that far.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 14: Most of them. It's it's an ingestion contact based allergy.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 14: But you got to also keep mine when some people
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  Speaker 14: a lot of times are preparing me and that sort
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 14: of thing, they're cutting it. There's maybe people aren't washing
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 14: their hands. They may also even be touching places too
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 14: that and people are always quite careful, and so it's
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  Speaker 14: I would say, it's it's an ingestion effect and that's
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  Speaker 14: really where you want to make sure to avoid it
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  Speaker 14: if you end up with the syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: All right, And since it sounds like in some cases
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: anaphyactic shock, is there an EpiPen or anything like that
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: out there that would relieve some of the more serious
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: symptoms to the extent that are severe sufferer out there.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, it's if you end up with this,
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 14: you'll end up probably carrying an EpiPen, just like you
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 14: would have a severe or allergic reaction, Like I am
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 14: extremely allergic to bees. I carry EpiPen when with me,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 14: when I run and those sort of things. But this
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  Speaker 14: is one of those syndrome that if you end up
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 14: developing it, you probably maybe you want to have an
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 14: EpiPen or some sort of treatment be ready if you
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 14: got to dinner or any of those places, because you
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 14: usually have to tell them to not cross contaminate red
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 14: meat products, whether there cooking the fish in those aspects.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 14: But it's, yeah, it's you'd have to worry about it
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 14: as similarly to any allergy.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Joshuna, you see, professor of biological science. I truly
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  Speaker 1: thank you for your willingness to come on the program
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: to talk about this, because quite honestly, when I heard
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: about it first, I'm thinking, no life without meat now,
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: please Dear God, so stay the hell away from lone
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 1: star ticks. I mean, there's no real way to avoid
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: them other than just the normal precautions. Presume, like say,
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: we're bright clothing so you can see the tics and
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: make sure you're you know, pant legs are tucked in
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: and you're searching yourself, if you know, looking for ticks
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: after you've been working in the yard, that kind of thing.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: Other than that, it's like nature's crapshoot, isn't it.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and be and permetering to work well as repellents.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 14: And luckily, at least within this area, the Sinte area,
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 14: we don't have a lot of loans arctics in this area.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 14: Good they're beginning to be. We're starting to see them
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 14: a little bit into this area with some climate change.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 14: But it's at least right now we're limited to Gulf
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 14: Coast dog ticks, some black leged ticcks on the east
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 14: side of Cincinnati, but so in this area year. But
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 14: as you get to like the southeast area and then
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 14: while even in the northeast, the loan's artics will become
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 14: much more prevalent. And so really spared this a little
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 14: bit right now, but that could change over the next
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 14: few years.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well not all great news, but hey, you got
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: to know the information to be in and know what
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: to do in the aftermath. Doctor, it has been a
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: real pleasure having you on the program. Your credentials are wonderful.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: I'm staring at your CV right now. Insects, stress tolerance,
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: ormonal regulation, metabolism, reproductive physiology, molecular physiology, transcript transcript domics.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: Someday we're gonna have to have a conversation about what
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: that is. Doctor, appreciate your learned opinion today on the
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: fifty five KRC Morning Show. Thanks and have a great week.
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  Speaker 1: My friend