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AI Centers Concerns with Dr. Drew Dickens & How the Gospel is transforming Iran with Dr. Hormoz Shariat · Karl and Crew

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  S5: Yeah. Big debate on data centers. Uh, by the way,
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  S5: there were like 40 data center initiatives on ballots across
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  S5: the United States during the midterms. I don't know if
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  S5: we didn't talk a lot about that. Doctor Drew Dickens
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  S5: is here. Hey, my man, did you hear about that?
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  S5: All those 40 different ballot measures. And I think 39
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  S5: of them got struck down or something like that. People
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  S5: don't want these things.
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  S6: Yeah. Only one. Only one passed. Uh, it was amazing.
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  S6: Texas is the number one state in the country on
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  S6: data centers and Dallas. But yeah, yeah, data centers, uh,
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  S6: were the buzz. I mean, that's what everybody, uh, one
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  S6: of the, the most powerful, uh, factors in driving people to, uh, to,
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  S6: to the polls. Hey, let me show you something. Um,
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  S6: theater of the mind on radio. That's an AI chip.
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  S6: That's a.
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  S5: Monster.
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  S6: That's what these data centers. Yeah.
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  S5: Looks like.
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  S6: What? These data centers? Uh, yeah, it really does. But
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  S6: that's an Nvidia chip, and these data centers are going up,
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  S6: and people will come up to me all the time
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  S6: and say, you know, I've never seen one. Yeah. You
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  S6: see them all the time. It's just an empty warehouse
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  S6: on the edge of town. And, uh, it doesn't look
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  S6: like anything but a big box. Um, but yeah, we
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  S6: should be really concerned about the water consumption, about power
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  S6: consumption of these things. And, um.
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  S5: Why does it take so much water? What's that all about?
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  S6: To cool it. Um, in fact, this, the chip I
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  S6: was just showing you is really nothing but what's called
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  S6: a heat sink just to cool the thing off. I mean,
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  S6: they generate so much heat. Uh, and you've got, you've
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  S6: got massive warehouses of these little computer chips that are just,
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  S6: just churning out heat and nothing, uh, dissipates heat better than,
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  S6: than water. So they pump a ton of water in
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  S6: these things, circulate them around the chips and it cools
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  S6: it off. Um, and of course, the power to run
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  S6: them and then the power to, to run the Hvac
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  S6: on top of the buildings to cool them off. So
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  S6: it really is all about heat and just cooling the
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  S6: thing off.
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  S2: Yeah. Drew Dickens with us this morning. Visionary leader, AI expert.
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  S2: He's a scholar who has significantly contributed to the intersection
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  S2: of technology, spirituality, faith based Engagement. He has become our
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  S2: resident AI expert. So obviously many people are concerned about
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  S2: these data centers. It's kind of a not in my
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  S2: backyard sort of approach. Like, yeah, we like the benefits
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  S2: of being able to enter in something into a cloud
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  S2: or a ChatGPT or grok. But, but boy oh boy,
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  S2: what's the environmental costs? What's the cost of the quality
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  S2: of life if one of these things pops up in
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  S2: your neighborhood?
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  S6: You know, another thing is noise. Uh, because of, uh,
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  S6: the constant droning 24 over seven of generators to keep
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  S6: these things going. Um, so, you know, energy consumption, uh,
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  S6: driving up local energy costs water, especially if it's in
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  S6: more of a rural area, you've got agricultural effects of
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  S6: these things. Um, but it's interesting. It's not just AI. Uh,
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  S6: I saw a great stat the other day, um, about
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  S6: if you want to get rid of a data center,
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  S6: get ready to, for your ATM machine to stop working
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  S6: for Netflix to stop streaming. Um, you know, it really is.
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  S6: Anything we do online digitally goes through a data center.
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  S6: So we need to be, you know, aware. It's not
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  S6: just it's not just Claude, it's not just AI, it's
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  S6: not just grok. It's in anything we do digitally is
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  S6: going to run through a data center.
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  S5: What's going on with AI? What's the latest? Crazy. I'd
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  S5: love to get you in here to give us an
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  S5: update on the crazy stuff that's happening. I'm not talking
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  S5: strikes fear into us, but it may. What's going on
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  S5: that's got you on tilt a little bit here this
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  S5: last week?
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  S6: Well, I think you know what we saw coming out
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  S6: of the midterms we just talked about is the concern
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  S6: about data centers. And then right on top of that
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  S6: is just regulation. When you have the, the, the, the
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  S6: founding members of these language models, these frontier models asking
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  S6: the government to step in and regulate. And now what
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  S6: we've seen with the transition in Washington, really across the
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  S6: entire country, um, with more of a, you know, from
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  S6: a red to a blue, uh, a lot of people
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  S6: are wondering, you know, what's what's the environment going to
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  S6: look like on government regulation? Are we going to start
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  S6: seeing more regulation, less of it? We were seeing less
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  S6: for a long time. Um, and so a lot of the,
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  S6: you know, a lot of these larger companies which represent
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  S6: the biggest chunk of our economy right now, you know,
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  S6: are wondering, are we going to have to dial back
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  S6: or put regulations and controls in place? So it's really
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  S6: having a lot of concerning effect, everything from the economy
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  S6: to employment. Um, you know, what, what's this transition going
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  S6: to look like in the government when it comes to
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  S6: AI regulation? And technically, we talked about this a couple
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  S6: of weeks ago and it's only increasing are these, um,
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  S6: private individual chat bots. Uh, we, we've got um, duet,
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  S6: we've got muse, we've got dot, we've got these language models,
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  S6: you know, coming up with these little personal, uh, AI
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  S6: chat bots for us to use to, uh, you know,
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  S6: help us with our hobbies and with our daily schedules
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  S6: and our emails And I'm really starting to infiltrate kind
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  S6: of our day to day use of AI.
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  S5: Do you use.
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  S6: That? And that is exploding. You know what? I I've
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  S6: signed up for them all. I'm still on the waiting
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  S6: list for duet. Uh, I, I play with them all
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  S6: muse on Facebook is, I think, one of the more
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  S6: powerful ones right now. Um, and I'm kind of having
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  S6: fun with it, which is, I think, the intent of it.
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  S6: I don't see them as individually really influencing my day
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  S6: to day life yet. Um, but I'm having fun with it,
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  S6: just kind of thinking of new things that it might
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  S6: be able to help me with. But, uh, yeah, they're
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  S6: out there. They're out there.
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  S2: Yeah. I saw a commercial yesterday, um, for muse and
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  S2: it's this guy. He's out on a run. He's running
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  S2: through kind of a rugged terrain and, and all of
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  S2: a sudden he starts interacting with muse. And. And so
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  S2: then muse goes ahead and books him for or reserves
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  S2: his spot in some marathon. And then he says, muse, uh,
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  S2: you know, he keeps running and he's getting tired and
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  S2: he says, muse, book me a massage for tomorrow, for
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  S2: Monday morning. And, and it's and it's, you know, kind
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  S2: of got.
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  S7: This crazy feel good, sort of uplifting.
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  S2: Music of how muse is working with him to kind
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  S2: of help him live his best life. So the I thought,
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  S2: you know, it was a pretty well done commercial, but
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  S2: I thought, what, what does that really mean? So, so
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  S2: muse is acting on his behalf to, to kind of
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  S2: do the things that help him take his next step.
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  S2: Is that what the idea is.
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  S6: At 100%, the number one use case for it, oddly enough,
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  S6: right now still continues to be, um, it looking through financial, uh,
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  S6: history and finding, uh, subscriptions that you forgot about. So
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  S6: you know, that HBO Max subscription that you signed up
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  S6: for just once and forgot to, uh, to, to cancel.
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  S6: It'll find those things for you. I've got a friend
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  S6: of mine who's an avid runner, runs an hour or
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  S6: so every morning and spends the entire time, uh, with
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  S6: a private, uh, chat bot. It's in that case, it's duet,
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  S6: which is Claude spends an entire hour just talking to
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  S6: it as he's running. And so during that conversation, it's
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  S6: checking email. What am I going to miss today? What's
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  S6: my schedule look like? So it's his personal assistant 100%,
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  S6: and spends an entire hour of that kind of that
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  S6: running time just talking to it.
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  S5: You know, I'm big on leveraging AI for good stuff.
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  S5: I am really hesitant on going here. I don't know
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  S5: if I want AI knowing all my emails, all my subscriptions.
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  S5: But there's almost no way to stop this train, is there?
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  S5: I mean, it's going. I mean, now I call customer
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  S5: service stuff. I'm talking to bots all the time.
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  S6: Yep, yep. It's ubiquitous. There was an article in The
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  S6: Wall Street Journal last year, two years ago, that said
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  S6: in 2025, AI will become invisible. And what it meant
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  S6: by that is it's just going to become ubiquitous. It's
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  S6: going to appear in everything we do and that that
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  S6: that has occurred. And so the ship has sailed as
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  S6: far as not using it, but man, it can get scary, uh,
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  S6: when it starts to, uh, you know, uh, make or
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  S6: operate on, on, on our behalf, not even make suggestions,
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  S6: but I, I did this, I did that, I was, uh,
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  S6: last night, uh, coding on something and it said, you,
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  S6: you didn't ask this, but I saw this and did
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  S6: this for you. It's like, wow, okay, thank you, but
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  S6: didn't ask you to do that. Maybe.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S6: It's I didn't ask you to.
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  S5: Speaking of scary, uh, you and I had a conversation
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  S5: a couple of weeks ago and I said, you know what, man?
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  S5: What could we do around the issue of fear? Mhm.
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  S5: And I mean, we have events all the time. It
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  S5: no matter who you are coming off of midterms and
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  S5: situations in life, there's, there's there's endless supply to get
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  S5: freaked out. Right? I mean, I got a bug and
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  S5: so guess what? I'm going on AI to determine what
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  S5: kind of bug this is. And then Ali freaks me
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  S5: out a little bit more. So then I dig a
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  S5: little bit deeper because Ali's want to do that. She's cringing.
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  S7: What did I do?
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  S5: She's saying, I don't think you just have a cold.
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  S5: I think it's something more. And then I find out
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  S5: she might be right. So it's it's an interesting thing.
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  S5: All right. Tell us this tool that you came up with, bro.
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  S5: I'm fired up.
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  S6: Well, the latest obsession on the internet this past week
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  S6: has been this, uh, really an obsession over the the
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  S6: pending apocalypse. I don't know where it got started. There's
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  S6: been a big article. Axios had an article last week
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  S6: about this. Uh, somehow it bubbled up. Uh, my Instagram
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  S6: is full of, uh, prepper videos now.
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  S5: It's everywhere because.
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  S6: Of the.
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  S5: Advisories drew in Europe and all that stuff.
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  S6: Yeah, I know it, I know it, and it's just
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  S6: fueling these viral predictions and that and the elections on
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  S6: top of that, you and I were talking about this.
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  S6: I said, man, what? What if we could leverage the
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  S6: power of AI to help us come up with a
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  S6: spiritual tool to address fear. And so I did that,
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  S6: launched it this morning, launched it at what, an hour
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  S6: and a half ago. And it's already the number four
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  S6: tool out there. Um, and, uh, so what it does
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  S6: is it asks you for questions, kind of a guided, uh,
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  S6: simple little faith tool. Um, as you, you know, what
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  S6: are you afraid of? It gives you a bunch of
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  S6: different options on that. Or you can fill in your own.
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  S6: And then where does fear show up inside of you? Um, uh,
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  S6: Doomscrolling is probably the most popular. Uh, and, uh, so
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  S6: where does it show up inside of you? And then
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  S6: what helps you settle? Gives you a bunch of options
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  S6: on that as far as walking outside, praying, spending time
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  S6: in the word, those kind of things. And then then
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  S6: who could you tell about that fear? It has you
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  S6: list a couple of people there and then it comes
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  S6: up with a plan for you. Uh, you can print
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  S6: it off as a PDF. Um, it gives you prayers
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  S6: to read, gives you scriptures to go to that are
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  S6: very specific and tailored to the fear that you're struggling
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  S6: with right now. Super excited about the tool and thank
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  S6: you for the inspiration behind it.
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  S2: So how can this help somebody? You mentioned the PDFI mean,
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  S2: and there are people who, let's be honest, the thought
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  S2: of entering this kind of information is in itself a
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  S2: little makes them a little afraid. What do you say?
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  S6: Well, you know what? You're you're spot on to bring
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  S6: that up. It's very clear in the in the tool
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  S6: all through it, it says this information just resides on
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  S6: your phone. It doesn't sit anywhere else. So nobody sees
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  S6: it other than just you and your phone. Um, which
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  S6: in and of itself may be scary. Um, but no, this,
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  S6: this doesn't live anywhere other than, uh, just the moment
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  S6: that you type it in and it comes up with
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  S6: a plan, then it disappears. So nothing to be afraid
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  S6: of there. Thank you for asking that. Um, but just
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  S6: just something to help you, um, put some of the
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  S6: fears in, in words and in writing. Uh, just that
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  S6: act alone can help alleviate a lot of our concerns. Um,
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  S6: but just a simple little four step guide to, um,
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  S6: it's a free tool. Uh, just a little four step
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  S6: question to guide you through how to articulate some of
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  S6: this fear and give you a spiritual plan on having
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  S6: the spirit work through that to alleviate, you know, 400
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  S6: times in Scripture, it says for us to fear not. Yeah.
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  S6: It's one of the most common commands all through the
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  S6: Old and New Testament. Um, so we're not to be
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  S6: a people of fear. And a tool like this can
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  S6: help you navigate through some of that.
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  S5: It's pretty cool. All right, Ali, we got a key
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  S5: word to get people on to this one. Another great
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  S5: tool from Doctor Drew Dickens here.
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  S7: Indeed.
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  S2: Just text drew to 805 557898. Drew to 805 five, 578, 98.
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  S5: Yeah. And you're going to find it right there. You've
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  S5: got a catalog with other tools that are there, right, drew?
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  S6: Yeah. And the second one I've got up there is
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  S6: found in him, which is a new tool based upon
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  S6: your book, Unstoppable Gospel. Really excited about that. I encourage everybody,
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  S6: if they have someone pressing on their heart that doesn't
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  S6: know the Lord. Um, it's a great tool to, to,
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  S6: to offer their first name and have other people pray
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  S6: for their salvation. Um, it's exploding right now is one
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  S6: of the tools on the really on that, on that menu.
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  S6: So yeah, it's so great to see names scrolling by. Um,
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  S6: and having other people pray. I listed one of my
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  S6: dear friends, uh, up there and it's great to, to
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  S6: see her name scroll by and, and then it gives
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  S6: you an update on how many other people are praying
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  S6: for her. It's a great tool. Thank you again for
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  S6: that inspiration. But that's up there as well. People can
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  S6: see that.
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  S5: Wow, Allie, we got a resource here today.
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  S2: Don't we didn't know about that one text drew to
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  S2: 805 557898, drew to 805 5578, 98.
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  S5: Oh, what a wild world we live in, guys. Fear
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  S5: not reason. We hear that is because God's got answers
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  S5: for it. We got a tool. Techs drew to our number.
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  S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you
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  S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
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  S1: curl and crew on Moody radio.
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  S5: I think it's John Piper who coined the phrase. Risk
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  S5: is faith and faith is risk. You know, it's an
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  S5: interesting thing. We talk about walking by faith. And yet
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  S5: I think most of us would love to have a
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  S5: pretty clearly mapped out few steps that we're going to
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  S5: go walk before we take this journey into faith.
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  S2: Not have to actually take a step of faith.
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  S7: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can.
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  S5: Relate. I think there's some truth in that. And then
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  S5: then there's others brothers and sisters around this globe that
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  S5: are forced into walking by faith. Their life is one
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  S5: of risk constantly. And those in particular. Today, we want
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  S5: to focus on our brothers and sisters in Iran with
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  S5: this doctor, Shariat. Let's give the full ID. What's this
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  S5: young man up to anyway?
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  S2: Doctor chariot is the founder and president of Iran Alive Ministries.
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  S2: They use satellite broadcasting and the internet to reach Iranians
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  S2: with the gospel.
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  S5: Yeah. So good to have you with us, Hormoz. Our
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  S5: heart aches. You know, I was cogitating on this recently.
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  S5: If you look at the battle of Gog and Magog,
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  S5: you can see that obviously there's no displaced mullahs. When
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  S5: that war happens, we see them aligned with Turkey. And
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  S5: Turkey used to be more of an ally, and now
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  S5: they're at odds with Israel, to say the least. It's
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  S5: wild hormoz, because we would love for the Iranian people
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  S5: to come out from under the regime of the mullahs.
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  S5: But wherever we are in history, when the end is
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  S5: drawing near and we believe it's drawing near, there's a
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  S5: lot of reasons for that, but we don't presume upon God.
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  S5: History can repeat itself. But there almost has to be
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  S5: this hatred in Iran with the leadership of Israel. And
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  S5: so the question is, have you wrestled with that theologically?
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  S8: Well, God is beyond our theology. He's doing something that
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  S8: wiping out the Islamic theology and everything else. What's happening
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  S8: in Iran is supernatural. It's the Spirit of God, for example,
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  S8: changing the hearts of the most of Iranians towards Israel
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  S8: and the US. They have a very positive view of
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  S8: US and Israel. You know, I was in Israel a
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  S8: few weeks back and before, you know, we hide it. Oh, no,
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  S8: I didn't go to Israel. Don't call me a Zionist.
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  S8: Now I'm not I'm not a spy of Mossad. No.
• 17:26
  S8: But you know what I did this time I used it.
• 17:29
  S8: I came on, on on our satellite channel. I said, hey, guys,
• 17:33
  S8: I've been to Israel as an ambassador of peace between
• 17:36
  S8: the people of Israel and people of Iran. You know,
• 17:39
  S8: our audience, they clapped. They were happy. They were happy.
• 17:42
  S8: So there is a change of heart among the people
• 17:44
  S8: of Iran towards us and Israel. And it's a major way.
• 17:48
  S8: You talk about coming out from under the Islamic regime,
• 17:52
  S8: the government. But I want to tell you it's deeper
• 17:54
  S8: than that. They have come out of the slavery of Islam. Islam.
• 18:00
  S8: They are free from Islam. They're free spiritually now. They're
• 18:04
  S8: seeking freedom politically. So major things are happening both physical,
• 18:09
  S8: political and spiritual. And by the way, biblical. They're biblical
• 18:13
  S8: prophecies being fulfilled.
• 18:15
  S2: Doctor chariot with us right now, give us a little
• 18:17
  S2: bit of your own story. You are an Iranian Muslim
• 18:20
  S2: convert now. For over 40 years, you've been reaching Muslim
• 18:24
  S2: background believers. Go ahead and tell us a little bit
• 18:27
  S2: of your own testimony.
• 18:29
  S8: Yeah, I was born in Iran. I was pretty devout Muslim,
• 18:31
  S8: early years, but then I focused on studies. I said,
• 18:35
  S8: I'm going to go to United States. I'm going to
• 18:37
  S8: get a PhD in science and be a research scientist.
• 18:41
  S8: I don't care about religion. But when I came to us,
• 18:44
  S8: it was the beginning of the revolution. And I said, hey, hey,
• 18:48
  S8: there is God. There's Allah and you need to serve Allah.
• 18:51
  S8: So I said to serve Allah. As a researcher, I
• 18:54
  S8: need to know what I commit my life to. So
• 18:57
  S8: I read the Quran very carefully. Even though I knew
• 19:00
  S8: a lot about it. But this time as a researcher,
• 19:02
  S8: I read it. Nothing added to my life. Where is God?
• 19:06
  S8: How does it relate to my life? So thinking that
• 19:09
  S8: I'm open minded person, I said, I'm going to read
• 19:11
  S8: the Bible. I don't think I'm going to find anything new.
• 19:13
  S8: So I read the Bible, compared it to Quran, and
• 19:16
  S8: I realized there day and night. You know what? Before that,
• 19:20
  S8: I had this intellectual idea that many intellectuals even believe today.
• 19:24
  S8: What is it? All religions are the same. Hey! Be tolerant.
• 19:29
  S8: We are all the same. God. And it's just that.
• 19:32
  S8: Why do you fight? Basically, you are the same. That's
• 19:35
  S8: what I thought before I started. But the more I
• 19:37
  S8: compared the Bible with Quran, I realized there are two
• 19:41
  S8: different gods there. The characteristics of God in Quran is
• 19:45
  S8: different than the Bible. To sum it up, the characteristics
• 19:49
  S8: of Allah. According to Quran, is the same as the
• 19:53
  S8: characteristics of Satan in the Bible as Jesus described it.
• 19:57
  S8: He said, Satan is the father of lies lying mandated
• 20:01
  S8: in Islam. He comes to kill, steal and destroy. That's
• 20:06
  S8: what is mandated in Quran. That's what the Prophet Muhammad did.
• 20:09
  S8: And that's what those who are serious about following Islam,
• 20:13
  S8: like Islamic Republic, they're following. So I came to Christ
• 20:16
  S8: by comparing the Bible and and Quran. I realized Allah
• 20:20
  S8: is not Jehovah.
• 20:22
  S5: That's beautiful. Doctor Herman Sherry at our guest. So we
• 20:25
  S5: have a lot of Christians in name only. How many
• 20:28
  S5: are Islamic in name only in Iran. What percentage would
• 20:32
  S5: you guess?
• 20:34
  S8: I would say over 80, 80%, 85%. Because you're automatically
• 20:39
  S8: a Muslim. It's not a choice. You're born in Iran,
• 20:41
  S8: you're automatically Muslim. And if you come out of Islam,
• 20:45
  S8: any reason you're infidel. So everybody born in Iran and
• 20:49
  S8: their ID card. Muslim, Muslim, Muslim. So most of Iranians
• 20:53
  S8: have rejected Islam. So there you can call them nominal Muslims.
• 20:57
  S8: They are Muslims, but they don't believe in Islam. There
• 20:59
  S8: was a survey done by two university professors in Sweden.
• 21:03
  S8: They asked 50,000 Iranians, what do you believe? That's pretty
• 21:08
  S8: solid research.
• 21:08
  S5: Yeah.
• 21:09
  S8: And less than one third said, we believe in Islam.
• 21:13
  S8: Less than one third Islam is dead in Iran. Islam
• 21:16
  S8: is finished in Iran. Iran will never be an Islamic
• 21:19
  S8: nation again. Islam is God.
• 21:21
  S5: Why? Why is it dead?
• 21:22
  S8: People don't believe in Islam. Actually, there is a movement
• 21:26
  S8: in the last few years, you know, in the past,
• 21:28
  S8: people were coming to Christ through us and they were saying, hey,
• 21:32
  S8: Islam is not for me and I respect Islam. I
• 21:36
  S8: just want Jesus. But the last few years there is
• 21:40
  S8: a movement, I call it militancy against see. What I'm
• 21:44
  S8: saying is the young people in Iran are saying this.
• 21:46
  S8: If we want to have a future for our country,
• 21:50
  S8: we need to get rid of Islam. It's not just tolerate.
• 21:53
  S8: We need to wipe Islam off. If the government changes, unfortunately,
• 21:58
  S8: you will see many of these mullahs being executed on
• 22:01
  S8: the streets by common people.
• 22:03
  S7: So let's talk a little.
• 22:04
  S2: Bit about Iran, our Lives channel. It's the most watched
• 22:07
  S2: Christian channel in Iran with over 7 million daily viewers.
• 22:11
  S2: What's your approach to speaking to people? You said many
• 22:14
  S2: of them they reject Islam. Maybe in Muslim in name only.
• 22:19
  S2: Are they rejecting religion? Are they skeptical of anything that
• 22:23
  S2: sounds religious?
• 22:25
  S8: Yes. That's a that's a growing number of Iranians say
• 22:29
  S8: if the best religion, Islam is like this and I
• 22:31
  S8: don't want Islam. So forget about Christianity, forget about God altogether.
• 22:36
  S8: So there is a tendency towards secular ideas and atheist ideas.
• 22:41
  S8: People are moving in that direction. Now what do we do?
• 22:44
  S8: Our channel. We never bash people. We call our channel,
• 22:48
  S8: you know, telling the truth with love. So that's how
• 22:51
  S8: we brought so many people to Christ over the years.
• 22:54
  S8: We have the names of over over 130,000 that have
• 22:57
  S8: contacted us and prayed to receive Christ with us. But
• 23:00
  S8: then we realized the last 2 or 3 years that
• 23:02
  S8: there is a trend. People are rejecting God altogether. So
• 23:07
  S8: we have a new approach for the younger generation as
• 23:10
  S8: how to talk to them. What we realized we did
• 23:13
  S8: a survey two years ago ourselves, and we realized the
• 23:16
  S8: younger people, if you talk to them, they say, there's
• 23:18
  S8: no God. I'm not interested. I'm not saying any religion.
• 23:22
  S8: I'm an atheist. But when you talk to them, which
• 23:25
  S8: we did in survey, we realized they have rejected God
• 23:29
  S8: because they're hurt by Islam. Deep inside, they are seeking
• 23:34
  S8: a true God, an experience with God. So we are
• 23:37
  S8: we have changed our approach of how to share the
• 23:40
  S8: gospel with younger generation. And good news, good news. Since
• 23:45
  S8: the beginning of 2026, we see a big jump in
• 23:49
  S8: the number of young Iranians coming to Christ.
• 23:52
  S5: That's beautiful. Doctor Moshiri, our guest right now. And we're
• 23:56
  S5: going to have a link for you in just a
• 23:57
  S5: moment to learn more. And even prayer points how to
• 24:00
  S5: be praying. But her most. Matthew 516 Jesus said, let
• 24:05
  S5: your light so shine before men, that they will see
• 24:07
  S5: your good deeds and give glory to our father who
• 24:10
  S5: is in heaven. How do you let your light shine
• 24:14
  S5: in Iran? But it must be. I asked that question,
• 24:18
  S5: but it must be because it's the fastest growing church
• 24:21
  S5: in the world per capita. How do you do that, Hormoz? Well.
• 24:26
  S8: Yeah, the truth. The gospel is broadcast. But unless people
• 24:30
  S8: are not transformed, they don't become sources of light. They are.
• 24:34
  S8: They are people who come to Christ in Iran. They
• 24:37
  S8: are transformed. They're transformed in such a major way that
• 24:42
  S8: they do not need to even speak up. People around them,
• 24:45
  S8: family members, they look at them. What happened to you?
• 24:48
  S8: Tell us you're different. You used to be angry. You
• 24:51
  S8: used to be depressed, suicidal. Now you're not. You are
• 24:54
  S8: a drug addict. And we spent so much money, put
• 24:57
  S8: you into rehab, and you were not successful. Now, overnight,
• 25:01
  S8: you're saying Jesus appeared to you and now you're free
• 25:04
  S8: from drugs.
• 25:05
  S5: Love that.
• 25:06
  S8: So this. This is the light inside of the people.
• 25:09
  S8: You cannot hide it even if they don't. Iranian Christians
• 25:13
  S8: don't speak their action, their voice, their their words shine
• 25:17
  S8: for them. I've heard many stories of people, Christians walking
• 25:22
  S8: in a shopping mall, walking in a drugstore, and multiple
• 25:26
  S8: times they say, people come to me in the crowd
• 25:29
  S8: and say, you are a Christian, aren't you? So how
• 25:32
  S8: do you know? He said, your eyes are shining, your
• 25:35
  S8: face is shining. Wow, it's full of light. You are
• 25:38
  S8: a Christian. It's a major transformation. Thinking about persecuted Christians
• 25:42
  S8: in Iran. Don't think of these people weak. Of course
• 25:46
  S8: they're in trouble. Some of them are being killed. We
• 25:49
  S8: have 14 of our our people in jail right now.
• 25:53
  S8: Several of them are on death row. But, you know,
• 25:56
  S8: I get reports from our people in death row. I
• 25:59
  S8: get reports that they are not afraid to die. They're
• 26:02
  S8: sharing their faith with many and have led many people
• 26:05
  S8: on death row to Christ because they come to say,
• 26:08
  S8: say you're so joyful, you're so calm. At any moment
• 26:11
  S8: they could execute you. Why? Why aren't you afraid like us?
• 26:14
  S8: And they are shining in the darkest place, like a
• 26:17
  S8: prison on death row. So persecuted Christians in Iran, full
• 26:21
  S8: of the spirit, full of the light. Even if they die,
• 26:24
  S8: many of them say I die. Go with Jesus. I'm
• 26:26
  S8: not afraid to die.
• 26:28
  S5: I want to ask you one last question. We're committed
• 26:31
  S5: to making disciples. We really talk about that a lot
• 26:34
  S5: here on our morning show. Disciple making has become a
• 26:38
  S5: lost art in the West. What is the one thing
• 26:43
  S5: the American church, the Western Church can learn from our
• 26:47
  S5: brothers and sisters in Iran? So if we were to
• 26:50
  S5: have a conference and they were to come and speak
• 26:52
  S5: to us, what would you hope we would hear from them?
• 26:56
  S8: In America, salvation is just. Did you pray this prayer
• 26:59
  S8: of salvation? Okay. Now you're a Christian, okay? But in Iran,
• 27:04
  S8: they know they have to pay a price if they
• 27:06
  S8: say a Christian. So that prayer of salvation is very serious.
• 27:11
  S8: It's not like, okay, yeah, I believe in Jesus. I
• 27:14
  S8: need his grace. They know if they say they're Christian,
• 27:17
  S8: they have to pay a price. So the entry point
• 27:19
  S8: is different. Here is easy. And sometimes even people not
• 27:23
  S8: really born again Christian and they say they go to churches.
• 27:27
  S8: Can I say our churches sometimes are people there who
• 27:31
  S8: are not saved because they are not disciples of Christ,
• 27:35
  S8: and they just like the environment that they're used to.
• 27:39
  S8: But in Iran, if you say a Christian, you have
• 27:41
  S8: to pay. Pay with your life. Maybe. So they're more
• 27:44
  S8: serious about their faith. And they really they they they
• 27:48
  S8: know they have to let me put it this way
• 27:51
  S8: in Iran. They know they have to pay a price,
• 27:54
  S8: maybe the highest price, which is death for their belief
• 27:58
  S8: in America. You don't. So I appreciate disciples in America.
• 28:02
  S8: I will say that those in America. Hey, you're listening
• 28:06
  S8: to me. I want to encourage you. Those who live
• 28:09
  S8: in America and you're serious about Jesus. I admire you
• 28:14
  S8: because you have a choice. You can just you don't
• 28:16
  S8: have to read your Bible. You don't have to go
• 28:19
  S8: to church. You don't have to follow Christ. You have
• 28:21
  S8: a comfortable life. But when you decide in America to
• 28:24
  S8: be a disciple, true disciple of Christ, what does it mean?
• 28:28
  S8: The true disciple love Jesus more than anything else. Deny yourself. Yes,
• 28:33
  S8: carry your cross and follow Jesus. If you're making that
• 28:36
  S8: decision in America. I admire you. You're doing a great job.
• 28:42
  S5: Hermosa, you don't even know how spot on your testimony
• 28:46
  S5: is to what we talk about here. The church in
• 28:49
  S5: America is filled with lost people every weekend at good
• 28:54
  S5: Bible preaching churches. Loaded. Thank you, my friend.
• 28:57
  S2: If you want more on this ministry, Iran Alive Ministries,
• 29:01
  S2: just text alive to 805 557898. Just text alive 805 557898.
• 29:11
  S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
• 29:15
  S1: and crew.
• 29:16
  S5: Uh, you guys have been sat down by someone and said, hey,
• 29:19
  S5: make yourself comfortable. We, we need to have a, we
• 29:22
  S5: need to have a tough conversation here. Um.
• 29:26
  S9: I'm trying to think.
• 29:27
  S5: First time I had it happen was Mister um. Oh, Mr. Hayes, Mr. Hayes,
• 29:33
  S5: principal of my elementary school and, uh, I'd been kind
• 29:38
  S5: of leading some shenanigans out on recess. And my teacher
• 29:44
  S5: told me, and it's a long walk. I'm convinced it's
• 29:48
  S5: psychological warfare.
• 29:49
  S10: Oh, yeah. Well, it is.
• 29:50
  S5: But it's.
• 29:51
  S10: Uh. It's the purpose.
• 29:52
  S5: Hey, Carl. Uh, principal Hayes. Mr. Hayes, he, uh, he
• 29:57
  S5: left word that he needs to see you. I said, oh, well, when.
• 30:02
  S5: And she said that would be right now. Carl.
• 30:04
  S10: Yeah.
• 30:04
  S2: Did you know? Did you have a pretty good idea?
• 30:06
  S5: Yeah, I was a good kid, but we had.
• 30:09
  S7: What kind.
• 30:09
  S2: Of shenanigans were you doing at.
• 30:10
  S7: Recess?
• 30:11
  S5: No, no. Here we go. Well, they had done some
• 30:14
  S5: construction on the recess grounds, and there were surveys that
• 30:20
  S5: had to be done. Anyway, I'm off on the, uh.
• 30:23
  S5: This is almost embarrassing to say I was a better
• 30:26
  S5: kid than this, and I just had, you know how
• 30:28
  S5: kids do things, and it's just like a harebrained thing flips.
• 30:31
  S5: And it's like, why did you think that was okay?
• 30:34
  S3: And they. And they don't have an answer for it.
• 30:36
  S5: Yeah. So I didn't have an answer for Mr. Hayes, actually.
• 30:39
  S5: But here's what happened. I and a couple of guys
• 30:42
  S5: found like a six pack of bright orange fluorescent surveyor
• 30:47
  S5: spray spray paint. Yeah. And we didn't know what it
• 30:51
  S5: was because all the labels were worked off of it.
• 30:54
  S5: And we thought, let's just charge the playground and go
• 30:58
  S5: tease the girls and we'll spray them down with fluorescent
• 31:01
  S5: spray paint. Yeah.
• 31:05
  S2: The kind they mark roads with.
• 31:07
  S5: Yes. And I didn't tag a lot of them. It
• 31:11
  S5: dawned on me right away. A friend of mine, Ditan,
• 31:14
  S5: he went crazy. Um, but I, I got a couple of, uh,
• 31:20
  S5: pieces of apparel on a couple of girls that I
• 31:22
  S5: probably had a crush on, because that's what boys do.
• 31:25
  S5: They harass girls they have a crush on. And, um,
• 31:29
  S5: and I knew this is not going to go well
• 31:33
  S5: the minute I did it.
• 31:34
  S3: Yeah. You can usually.
• 31:35
  S10: Tell.
• 31:36
  S5: Well, the minute you do it, you're like, what are
• 31:37
  S5: you thinking? Yes. What what's what's going on in my home?
• 31:41
  S5: My mind flashed to Mom and Dad at home, and
• 31:44
  S5: they did, in fact, hear.
• 31:45
  S3: All the consequences start to run through your brain.
• 31:48
  S5: So when the teacher said, hey, uh, uh, the principal
• 31:52
  S5: wants to see you. Yeah. Mr. Hayes wants to see you.
• 31:55
  S5: And I'm like, oh, no. And this guy was notorious.
• 31:58
  S5: He had one of these paddles that had holes drilled
• 32:00
  S5: in it so that there was no friction with the air,
• 32:02
  S5: so the air could pass through and get a full
• 32:04
  S5: wallop on you. But what was worse is he sat
• 32:08
  S5: me down and he said, Carl, your dad's a principal
• 32:13
  S5: of another school down the road. What do you think
• 32:16
  S5: he'd say about what you just did?
• 32:19
  S7: Which was which was.
• 32:21
  S5: Worse.
• 32:21
  S7: Yet?
• 32:22
  S2: Yeah.
• 32:23
  S5: And so it was it was tough. It was tough.
• 32:28
  S5: He was actually pretty gracious with me. I, I'm trying
• 32:31
  S5: to recollect I did get a paddle one time from
• 32:34
  S5: him And that was all she wrote. Man, I didn't
• 32:36
  S5: want to end up in there again.
• 32:37
  S3: You learned? Yeah, learned pretty quick. I don't want that
• 32:39
  S3: experience twice.
• 32:41
  S5: But but I, um, it was, it was worse than that.
• 32:44
  S5: It was one of those. Carl, you know, better than this, man.
• 32:47
  S3: Disappointment is worse than.
• 32:48
  S5: Yeah. It's worse. It's like.
• 32:50
  S7: Give me more out of you.
• 32:51
  S3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 32:52
  S5: More out of you.
• 32:53
  S3: I got, uh, I as you were talking, I remembered mine.
• 32:56
  S3: Mine is prank, uh, you know, or or shenanigans. Yeah.
• 33:00
  S3: Shenanigan based as well. But mine. I was in college,
• 33:04
  S3: so I was an adult. Uh.
• 33:06
  S5: Moody, no less.
• 33:07
  S3: At Moody, no less. Uh, and I.
• 33:09
  S5: Won't.
• 33:10
  S3: I'm not gonna share what the prank was. I just,
• 33:12
  S3: you know, I, I got into it was a bad prank.
• 33:15
  S3: It was. I created some property damage was included. Minor,
• 33:19
  S3: minor property damage. I even paid for it myself. We
• 33:22
  S3: got it all cleaned up, all figured out. And, uh,
• 33:26
  S3: and I remember me and my buddies, uh, you know,
• 33:29
  S3: did this prank, and the next day you are a
• 33:33
  S3: is on. All the floors are running around like with
• 33:35
  S3: their chicken like chickens with their heads cut off, you know,
• 33:38
  S3: trying to figure out who did this. And I was
• 33:40
  S3: talking to my girlfriend who's now my wife, uh, about
• 33:44
  S3: this on FaceTime because she went to a different school.
• 33:47
  S3: And I said, I said, yeah, we did this thing
• 33:49
  S3: last night. And I was like, if I ever get
• 33:51
  S3: caught for this, I think I'm gonna get in a
• 33:53
  S3: lot of trouble. And I got a knock on my
• 33:55
  S3: door while I was on this FaceTime conversation. Yeah. There
• 33:58
  S3: you go. There it is. You can feel it now.
• 34:01
  S3: And I said, come in. And it was my RA.
• 34:03
  S3: And he said, Jonathan, can I talk with you for
• 34:05
  S3: a minute? Oh, no. And I looked at I looked
• 34:07
  S3: at my now wife. And I was like, here it is.
• 34:11
  S3: And I was like, yeah, absolutely. So I went and
• 34:14
  S3: had a conversation with him and yes, I was caught. No,
• 34:17
  S3: I didn't get kicked out of Moody. Everything was fine,
• 34:19
  S3: but I thought I, I thought I was gonna be
• 34:22
  S3: in big, big trouble. And I was in big, big trouble. So.
• 34:25
  S5: So you paid the bill.
• 34:26
  S3: Till I paid the bill.
• 34:27
  S5: Okay. We're telling stories that Ali could never relate to.
• 34:31
  S2: Ali.
• 34:31
  S3: What shenanigans did you get in trouble for?
• 34:34
  S5: Oh, she popped a bubble with her bubble gum one time.
• 34:37
  S2: No, I mean, I didn't really get in a lot
• 34:40
  S2: of trouble. We know, I know, I'm just just speaking
• 34:44
  S2: very objectively, I just didn't I really, really the thought,
• 34:49
  S2: the thought of getting in trouble so terrified me that it.
• 34:54
  S2: I mean, so it wasn't like some moral high ground
• 34:57
  S2: of like, I was virtuous in every way. I just
• 35:00
  S2: was really, really afraid of, of ever being in trouble.
• 35:03
  S2: I remember in elementary school, actually accidentally, the teacher thought
• 35:08
  S2: that I had done something that someone else actually did.
• 35:11
  S2: So there was this card system. I don't know if
• 35:13
  S2: you had this in elementary school. Everybody started out the
• 35:16
  S2: day with a green card, and then if you did
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  S2: something throughout the day, you would have to go turn
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  S2: your card and it would go to yellow. That was
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  S2: kind of your on the warning. And then if you really,
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  S2: you know, messed up, then you'd get to red and
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  S2: then you had a problem. Well, never in the history
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  S2: of like me in elementary school, did my card ever
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  S2: be on anything other than green? But this one day,
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  S2: somehow I got accused of something and she was like, Alexandra,
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  S2: I need you to go turn your card. And when
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  S2: I tell you, all it was going was from green
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  S2: to yellow. I like walked. It was like the walk
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  S2: of shame, the tears. I couldn't hold back the tears.
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  S2: They started to flow. I felt like this great injustice. Like, no,
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  S2: it wasn't me.
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  S3: I like that the time that she had to turn
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  S3: her card, it wasn't even her. So she didn't even
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  S3: get in trouble.
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  S2: But I couldn't like prove my case quick enough. And
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  S2: so literally, like, I could feel my face hot with
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  S2: the tears as they started to flow of like, my
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  S2: life is over.
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  S3: I'm never gonna get into college.
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  S2: My perfect streak has been broken. I'm sure by the
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  S2: end of the day, it was back to green because
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  S2: it was like, no, of course we understand you. You
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  S2: never could have done such a thing. But you guys
• 36:29
  S2: go ahead and enjoy your shenanigans.
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  S5: No, I didn't, I didn't. I was, I was rightly.
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  S3: Say we both of us were pretty embarrassed by it.
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  S5: Because it caused me to be calm. Yeah. This metaphor
• 36:40
  S5: went to a place that I didn't even intended to go.
• 36:42
  S5: It went too heavy. But, um, you know, and so
• 36:48
  S5: I want to loosen it up a little bit, but
• 36:50
  S5: I do want to tell you, we've got two places.
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  S5: If you have the time, I want you to be
• 36:55
  S5: get comfortable because we got some tough stuff to talk about.
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  S5: And it's not about you per se, but it's about
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  S5: something that's going on in the church in the West.
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  S5: That's a deep, deep passion of my heart and our
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  S5: whole team here. And you can come to our new campus,
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  S5: 180 Chicago northwest suburbs, and you can be live, or
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  S5: you can be in the comfort of your home or
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  S5: with a group of people. But this is going to
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  S5: be one of these sobering conversations where we look at, boy,
• 37:25
  S5: what is the gospel? What have we missed about the gospel?
• 37:30
  S5: What are the ways? Surprising ways. Can't wait till session
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  S5: three on Saturday that God's going to save those that
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  S5: we love. Because when you get kind of alone and
• 37:41
  S5: you really start thinking about this, your heart begins to
• 37:43
  S5: go out, maybe to yourself for assurance of salvation. But
• 37:47
  S5: then to so many that we love who were raised
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  S5: in church and maybe still there, but you just wonder,
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  S5: do they really know Jesus personally? And that's a that's
• 37:57
  S5: a moment where you just sit and you've got. It's
• 38:01
  S5: not an easy moment, but it's, it's imperative that we
• 38:04
  S5: walk through that and really wrestle with it. If we're
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  S5: going to see an awakening in the church, I'm convinced
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  S5: the biggest mission field. Ah, be careful here. One of
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  S5: the greatest mission fields that we have is right under
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  S5: our nose in weekend services, because the illusion of salvation,
• 38:24
  S5: hallucination of salvation, people that see something in themselves that
• 38:28
  S5: isn't there is such an epidemic, guys. And I'm not
• 38:31
  S5: trying to be ominous or theatrical, I'm just stating a fact.
• 38:35
  S5: I'm pouring out my heart. And, uh, whether you can
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  S5: grab a seat live or you've got a seat where
• 38:41
  S5: you can sit down and digest it. Saturday, Saturday, 830
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  S5: central till 1230. Central can have four sessions. It's going
• 38:50
  S5: to I'm I'm prepped, I'm ready to rumble boom crew.
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  S5: And I'd love to have you be there to prime
• 38:56
  S5: the pump to kind of let you know kind of
• 38:59
  S5: where we're going on Saturday. We've got an intro for
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• 39:06
  S2: Yeah, just text intro to get the intro to the book,
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  S5: Yeah, yeah. Tough, tough talks are good. Have you ever
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  S5: known a time when you came out of a tough talk,
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  S5: when you were really humbled before the Lord that you
• 39:30
  S5: didn't gain something mightily from it, right?
• 39:33
  S2: Yeah. When you're humble enough to receive it, sometimes it
• 39:36
  S2: takes a minute because I think.
• 39:37
  S5: Yes.
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  S2: I think the instinct is to want to like, we
• 39:41
  S2: put up our defenses really, really quick, but usually with
• 39:43
  S2: the benefit of some time and the and the help
• 39:47
  S2: of the Holy Spirit to get to a humble place,
• 39:49
  S2: you there's something that can be gained.
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  S5: Yeah. Big time. So get the intro and look at
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  S5: This is challenging conversation, but really beneficial. Really beneficial.
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  S1: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the Carl and
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• 40:28
  S5: So one of the things we're tackling this whole week
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  S5: is walking by faith, not by sight. Faith and risk
• 40:35
  S5: are interchangeable. Love. John Piper did a really good message
• 40:38
  S5: on that a number of years ago. Uh, but the, uh,
• 40:42
  S5: we've been calling it this this morning, it's that oh
• 40:45
  S5: boy moment where you feel like, oh boy, God, you're
• 40:49
  S5: gonna have to show up here. And so I just
• 40:50
  S5: wanted to pitch it to the team and, and let
• 40:53
  S5: Ali and somebody kind of. Excuse me, Ali and Young Thunder, um,
• 40:58
  S5: illustrate this for you in a really practical way. So
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  S5: when you think about times in your life when you've
• 41:04
  S5: had to step out by faith, you knew God was
• 41:06
  S5: calling you somewhere, but you didn't have the whole roadmap
• 41:10
  S5: mapped out at all. And it's a step of faith.
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  S5: It's like, get out of the boat moment. What do
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  S5: you say, Ali?
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  S2: I mean, I think, uh, the times where I've been
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  S2: called upon to lead in, in ministry settings, I think have,
• 41:25
  S2: have definitely been that for me. And that may seem
• 41:28
  S2: like small potatoes compared to other people's steps of faith. Um,
• 41:33
  S2: but I never saw myself as somebody who would lead others.
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  S2: And so I remember specifically when I got asked to
• 41:43
  S2: take on some leadership in this mom's ministry that we
• 41:45
  S2: had at the church that I was going to and
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  S2: still a part of and, you know, getting asked to
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  S2: share a devotional or to speak or to help lead worship,
• 41:55
  S2: these were like little steps of faith that I was
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  S2: my everything in me wanted to be like, nope, you
• 42:01
  S2: got the wrong gal. Ask somebody else. Somebody else is
• 42:04
  S2: way more qualified, way more talented, way more everything. But
• 42:08
  S2: with each step, it was built. My faith in learning
• 42:14
  S2: what it felt like to really have to rely on God.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S2: To know that I would get up there and open
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  S2: my mouth, whether it was to sing or to speak,
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  S2: and that there was nothing that I felt like I
• 42:25
  S2: had that was particularly compelling. But trusting that if God
• 42:29
  S2: was going to ask me to to do it, then
• 42:31
  S2: he was going to give me what I needed. And
• 42:34
  S2: so it was it's each step has been very, very
• 42:36
  S2: intimidating and even felt kind of scary. This job maybe
• 42:42
  S2: being at the top of the list. But each time
• 42:44
  S2: seeing God move and God show up.
• 42:48
  S5: It's always been rewarded. Right?
• 42:50
  S2: Yeah. And it's rewarded with with, I think the faith
• 42:54
  S2: building has been the biggest thing is that then you
• 42:57
  S2: start to develop the history of seeing God show up
• 43:02
  S2: in those areas. So the next time you still feel
• 43:05
  S2: that fear, but now you've got some history to look
• 43:07
  S2: back on and go, okay, here we are. God, you've
• 43:11
  S2: done this before. We've been here, you and I.
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  S5: Yeah, it's really cool. What do you say, young thunder?
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  S3: Yeah. I think for me, one of the biggest ones
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  S3: is or was getting baptized as an adult. Uh, I
• 43:23
  S3: was as a kid, but didn't have real faith, A
• 43:26
  S3: real relationship with Jesus. And when I came to a
• 43:28
  S3: real relationship with Jesus, I felt his conviction that, hey,
• 43:31
  S3: it's time to time to go public with that testimony.
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  S3: That's a that's the first step of faith for a
• 43:38
  S3: genuine believer. And I was scared to do it because I,
• 43:41
  S3: I just was too nervous to tell people close to me,
• 43:44
  S3: you know, my story. And it made me scared. And
• 43:46
  S3: Satan kind of put some shame in there. And I
• 43:49
  S3: backed away from it for a long time. But I
• 43:51
  S3: felt God's just gentle, gentle nudging continuously. And I finally decided, okay,
• 43:57
  S3: I'm going to do it. And I was so blessed
• 43:58
  S3: by the experience to be able to get baptized as
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  S3: a genuine follower of Jesus and see how he would
• 44:05
  S3: just build everything from that.
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  S5: Yeah, yeah, walking by faith and not by sight taking risk.
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  S5: I don't know what God has on your plate today,
• 44:14
  S5: but there's probably something that's going to require you having
• 44:18
  S5: an oh boy moment. Let God use you today. Watch
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  S5: him work through you today.