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"Mugshots and Milk Shots." (Live from Wisconsin!) · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: What's up, Madison? Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Erin Ryan.
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  Speaker 3: I'm John Lovett.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Mandela Barnes.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, that sucks.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Ben Wickler.
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  Speaker 1: We have a fantastic show for you tonight. Wisconsin's next
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  Speaker 1: state Supreme Court Justice, Janet Protasewicz is here. And we
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  Speaker 1: are so lucky to have a crew of Wisconsin experts
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  Speaker 1: to take us through all the latest political news. Your
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  Speaker 1: 45th Lieutenant Governor. Your Democratic Party Chair. And Wisconsin native
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Ryan, host of Hysteria. All right, so we are
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  Speaker 1: going to dig into the Supreme Court race in a bit,
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  Speaker 1: but first we have some other breaking legal news to cover.
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  Speaker 3: Former President Trump saying this morning that he will be
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  Speaker 3: arrested on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 4: Trump said that on Truth Social.
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  Speaker 5: He said, in fact, quote, the far and away leading
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  Speaker 5: Republican candidate and former president of the United States of
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  Speaker 5: America will be arrested next week.
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  Speaker 2: Protests take our nation back.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: All right. So the New York Times is reporting that
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  Speaker 1: people close to Trump merely told him that their best
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  Speaker 1: guess is Tuesday. So he may have jumped the gun
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  Speaker 1: a little bit on that. But NBC has also reported
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  Speaker 1: that the New York law enforcement agencies have been making
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  Speaker 1: security preparations for a possible indictment this week. The Manhattan
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  Speaker 1: grand jury is expected to bring felony charges against Trump
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  Speaker 1: for making hush money payments to Stormy Daniels and Kerry McDougal.
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  Speaker 1: But there may be more indictments coming. A federal judge
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  Speaker 1: in D.C. just ordered Trump's attorney to testify in the
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  Speaker 1: classified documents case after prosecutors successfully argued that the attorney's
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  Speaker 1: legal advice was used to further a crime. And any
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  Speaker 1: day now, Fulton County District Attorney Fannie Willis could charge
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  Speaker 1: Trump for trying to overturn the election in Georgia. So
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  Speaker 1: a lot on his plate. A lot on his plate.
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  Speaker 4: Aaron, is this it?
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  Speaker 3: Just the hope in your applause.
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  Speaker 2: Is this it?
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  Speaker 1: Did we finally get him?
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  Speaker 2: Did we get him?
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  Speaker 1: Did we get him? What was your reaction to the.
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  Speaker 4: News this morning?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so a few things.
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  Speaker 5: First of all, I would love nothing more than to
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  Speaker 5: see Donald Trump on a perp walk. That is what
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  Speaker 5: I've been hoping for for like eight years now.
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  Speaker 4: Eight years.
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  Speaker 5: Almost eight years ago, he rolled down that stupid escalator.
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  Speaker 5: But I think that there's something narratively fulfilling about the first...
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  Speaker 5: His first like arrest being over sexual misconduct.
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  Speaker 2: I think some of the first people. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't do any of it.
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  Speaker 5: You did it.
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  Speaker 1: Give yourself a round of applause.
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  Speaker 2: I pointed it out.
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  Speaker 5: I think that a lot of the people that were
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  Speaker 5: the most alarmed on election night 2016 were women.
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  Speaker 2: Because we all knew he was a piece of shit.
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  Speaker 5: Like it wasn't just because he had bad ideas and
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't just because he was racist. There was a
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  Speaker 5: long list of sexual misconduct allegations, credible ones, like more
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  Speaker 5: than two dozen that had been made before the election
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  Speaker 5: even happened. So there's something narratively fulfilling about the I
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  Speaker 5: told you so kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of coming out in the wash in a way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: At the same time, I cannot think of any other
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  Speaker 5: human being that would treat a perp walk like a
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  Speaker 5: campaign event besides Donald Trump. And so there's a part
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  Speaker 5: of me that's like, does he want this?
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  Speaker 2: Does he need this?
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  Speaker 5: There's going to be a lot of cameras, like him
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  Speaker 5: getting arrested, people watching for him. He loves attention. There's
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  Speaker 5: no such thing as bad attention for him. So on
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  Speaker 5: one hand, I'm like, yay, get him. On the other hand,
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't want anything good to happen for
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  Speaker 5: him from his perspective ever.
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  Speaker 2: So mixed feelings, John.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the Times reported that he was terrified watching
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  Speaker 1: Allen Weisselberg, his former CFO, who was found guilty of
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of crimes, doing the perp walk. And he's
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  Speaker 1: trying to avoid that. But they're like, he could be
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  Speaker 1: fingerprinted like any other criminal.
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  Speaker 2: Tiny little fingerprints.
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  Speaker 3: Getting ketchup all over the stamp.
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  Speaker 1: Lovett, what did you think about the news?
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  Speaker 3: First of all, shame on all of you. If we're
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  Speaker 3: going to dismantle the carceral state, we can't be happy
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  Speaker 3: when it applies to someone we don't like.
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  Speaker 1: People didn't know what to do with that.
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  Speaker 6: I know.
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  Speaker 3: It got what it deserved. So I, look, the, it
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  Speaker 3: is sort of, it does feel like this kind of
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  Speaker 3: poetic thing. You know, this is the first, this is
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  Speaker 3: sort of like, in a lot of ways, the kind
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  Speaker 3: of the first crime on his road to the presidency, right?
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  Speaker 3: This was what he did before he was elected. And
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  Speaker 3: it is serious. And people do go to jail for
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  Speaker 3: being involved in this crime because Michael Cohen went to
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  Speaker 3: jail for being involved in this crime. That being said,
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  Speaker 3: every examination by legal experts, and we'll leave it to
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  Speaker 3: the strict scrutinizers to actually do the legal analysis, are
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  Speaker 3: always like, it's a novel legal theory. It's a state
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  Speaker 3: law based on a federal crime based on a state law.
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  Speaker 3: I'm all for it. We got Capone on taxes. But
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  Speaker 3: I want to know what's happening in Fulton County. That's where, like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm interested in the insurrection. I want to see. That's
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  Speaker 3: where he did his finest work. That's his Thunder Road.
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  Speaker 4: You're waiting for the sequel.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, yeah. This is the kind of dark and
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  Speaker 3: gritty alien. I'm waiting for aliens. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: A lot more action. lot more exciting.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, sure, sure.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Mandela, a number of news outlets have responsibly pointed
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  Speaker 1: out that Trump's demand that his supporters protest echoes his
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  Speaker 1: pre-January 6th tweets. Will be wild, we all know. He's
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  Speaker 1: also planning his first campaign rally in next Saturday in Waco, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the 30th anniversary of the bloody standoff
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  Speaker 1: between federal agents and a cult leader. Just very on
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  Speaker 1: the nose. How do you think, like, President Biden and
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  Speaker 1: other leaders should respond to what has already become Trump's,
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  Speaker 1: you know, darkest and most vengeful campaign yet?
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  Speaker 7: President should first issue a Kool-Aid warning in Waco. Um,
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  Speaker 7: but in all seriousness, uh, I'll tell you, like the
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  Speaker 7: president should just, you know, president Biden should let the
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  Speaker 7: process play out, right? We can't mix politics and legal proceedings.
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  Speaker 7: Like Donald Trump obviously broke the law, right? Like this
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  Speaker 7: is a person who needs to be paying for his crimes.
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  Speaker 7: And if we tie politics into it, it gives them
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  Speaker 7: all the ammunition that they need. If president Biden decides
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  Speaker 7: to chime in, that makes it so much weaker of
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  Speaker 7: a case. Now I will say that, uh, this is, we,
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  Speaker 7: I feel like we've been through this before. And I
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  Speaker 7: don't want this to be Groundhog Day. You know, it
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  Speaker 7: feels like every time we got him on this, we
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  Speaker 7: got him on that, we got him on this. And
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  Speaker 7: coming around to this moment in Waco, it couldn't be,
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  Speaker 7: you know, more apparent what he's trying to do. Like
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  Speaker 7: they were so close to stopping the certification of President
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  Speaker 7: Biden's election on January 6th. And I feel like they
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  Speaker 7: may have seen the things that went wrong and why
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  Speaker 7: they weren't successful. And these people will stop at nothing
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  Speaker 7: to stop a person that they see as sort of
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  Speaker 7: savior for them from going to jail. And people are
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  Speaker 7: willing to die for Donald Trump. They already proved that.
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  Speaker 7: So it's a little bit scary when you put it
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  Speaker 7: all into context. And the last thing we need is
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  Speaker 7: more bloodshed, more violence. This country is already as divided
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  Speaker 7: as we've been since the Civil War. But Donald Trump
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  Speaker 7: has to pay the price. And we had Trump vodka
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  Speaker 7: back in the day. Maybe they can buy 19 crimes.
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  Speaker 4: It was.
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  Speaker 1: The New York Times had a great quote from Ali Alexander,
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  Speaker 1: who was the guy who organized the Stop the Steal rally.
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  Speaker 1: He put out a telegram message, and he said, Previously,
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  Speaker 1: I had said if Trump was arrested and under the
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  Speaker 1: threat of a perp walk, 100,000 patriots should shut down
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  Speaker 1: all routes to Mar-a-Lago. But now I'm retired. I'll pray
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  Speaker 1: for him, though. It just makes you wonder if the
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  Speaker 1: energy is there. So, Ben.
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  Speaker 1: Some of our country's shrewdest political prognosticators, like Elon Musk,
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  Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Greene, have already predicted that if Trump is arrested,
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  Speaker 1: he'll be reelected in a landslide victory. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: seeing Trump in handcuffs is the thing that will persuade
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  Speaker 1: a lot of undecided voters here in Wisconsin to get
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  Speaker 1: off the fence and support him?
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  Speaker 4: So there's this whole draft Rob Blagojevich movement that's out
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  Speaker 4: there that just once they saw that guy arrested and
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  Speaker 4: sent to jail, it put a halo over his head.
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  Speaker 4: That could happen. I'm less worried about undecided voters saying, oh,
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  Speaker 4: my God, that guy is so bad I just love
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  Speaker 4: him I'm more worried about Trump's goal to make his
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  Speaker 4: supporters feel like they're being persecuted because his whole thing
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  Speaker 4: is giving people a sense of a victim complex that
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  Speaker 4: they can then fight back against and I think for
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  Speaker 4: the rest of us our job is to channel all
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  Speaker 4: the feelings we might have about seeing Trump sent to prison,
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  Speaker 4: getting accountability, channel that into political organizing so that if
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  Speaker 4: there is a rise in turnout, for example, this spring,
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  Speaker 4: if they try to do that, we need to channel
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  Speaker 4: that into more energy and taking that energy actually into
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  Speaker 4: getting voters registered, getting voters to the ballot box, turning
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  Speaker 4: this not into people yelling in the streets, but turning
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  Speaker 4: it into a tidal wave of democracy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And to that point, I mean, look, we, It is
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  Speaker 3: Groundhog Day. We've been through a version of this. It
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  Speaker 3: was the insurrection. And what happened? A lot of people
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  Speaker 3: got hurt. Our democracy was tarnished. There was a lot
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  Speaker 3: of chaos and violence and mayhem. And it was extremely unpopular.
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  Speaker 3: And it didn't work. You know, Joe Biden has had
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  Speaker 3: a lot of opportunities as president to hit a ball
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  Speaker 3: off a tee. I believe it's called T-ball. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know your culture. It's like golf, but much higher up.
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  Speaker 3: But President Biden will be able to say, I don't
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  Speaker 3: get involved in investigations, and I want everybody to be peaceful.
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  Speaker 3: I want everybody to respect the process. There's no need
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  Speaker 3: for anybody to do the wrong thing. And there's been
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  Speaker 3: a couple moments like that that Donald Trump and some
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  Speaker 3: Republicans like him have created. There was that moment when
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  Speaker 3: he was, you know, you have a bunch of Republican
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  Speaker 3: nonsense on one side, and then you have Joe Biden
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  Speaker 3: standing next to Mitch McConnell paving a bridge between In Kentucky, right?
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  Speaker 3: And so Joe Biden has had these opportunities to kind
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  Speaker 3: of model the kind of leadership that is actually extremely
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  Speaker 3: popular because only adult right-wing internet minds think that normal
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: people who don't pay attention as much as they do
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  Speaker 3: find it thrilling to see a president in handcuffs. Nobody
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  Speaker 3: wants that. Nobody thinks that's cool.
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  Speaker 4: There would be nothing more delicious than having Trump get
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  Speaker 4: arrested and fingerprinted and sent to jail and everyone treating
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  Speaker 4: it like he had just, you know... I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: grabbed money out of a bank teller and it was
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  Speaker 4: no bigger deal than that. And the rest of the
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  Speaker 4: country is like, okay, bye. And then moves along and
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  Speaker 4: then reelects president Biden in a wave in 2024. And
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  Speaker 4: it just becomes a footnote in history. And we never
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  Speaker 4: think about that guy again for the rest of our lives.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's why, that's why I sort of. Want him
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  Speaker 2: to try to escape.
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  Speaker 1: Let's air up the drama a little bit more.
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  Speaker 3: That would be amazing.
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  Speaker 2: It would be incredible. Here's why Donald Trump should escape.
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  Speaker 2: There are dozens, dozens of.
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  Speaker 5: Countries in the world that don't have extradition treaties with
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  Speaker 5: the U.S., Many of them Donald Trump kind of called
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  Speaker 5: shithole countries. But the UAE is one of them. There's
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  Speaker 5: a few countries that Donald Trump could go to and
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  Speaker 5: just live, just be there forever.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of wonder if him and Bolsonaro are just
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  Speaker 1: going to trade places permanently. You stay in Florida, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to Rio.
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  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, this ends with Trump halfway out of a vent.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a question, because I can hear some Democrats ask
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  Speaker 1: this question. When Hillary Clinton was under investigation in 2016,
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump and other Republicans talked about it every single day.
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  Speaker 1: It was the entire election. So Donald Trump is likely
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  Speaker 1: to be indicted for the Stormy Daniels hush money payments,
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  Speaker 1: possibly for Georgia, possibly for the classified documents case. How
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  Speaker 1: should Democratic candidates handle that on the campaign trail? I mean, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: the right thing to do is say, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: let the legal process play out. I think that's obvious
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  Speaker 1: for sure. But you say no one is above the law.
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  Speaker 7: Nobody's above the law.
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  Speaker 4: Talk about law and order.
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  Speaker 3: Respect for the law.
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  Speaker 7: And this is something Republicans try to use all the time.
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  Speaker 7: They respect law enforcement, respect the law. Well, your top
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  Speaker 7: dude is shown a complete disregard for the law. He
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  Speaker 7: will continue to do so. So let's call him on it.
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  Speaker 7: Let's call him to task. And Republican politicians should be
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  Speaker 7: held to account. And the media has to do a
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  Speaker 7: job also at holding them to account for law and
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  Speaker 7: order if they're going to support Donald Trump. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I also... We, there is a Republican primary going on
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  Speaker 3: and I think you can boil down to what DeSantis
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  Speaker 3: is saying is, uh, with Trump, you get extremism and
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  Speaker 3: chaos with me. I'll just give you the extremism. And
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  Speaker 3: that's a case that he's in some level. That's the
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  Speaker 3: case he's making. And so I think it's very different
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  Speaker 3: to be talking about an indicted Donald Trump when he's
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  Speaker 3: the nominee and we're weeks away from the election right now.
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  Speaker 3: I think we have a bigger task, which is to
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  Speaker 3: paint Republicans, as a party of extremism and chaos, and
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump as its leader and great exemplar about the
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  Speaker 3: kind of mess that they create, the chaos all around them,
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  Speaker 3: and what they're willing to do to hold on to power.
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  Speaker 3: But we have to paint all of them with this brush,
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  Speaker 3: because they are all responsible for it, and we can't,
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  Speaker 3: because if we start talking a little bit too much
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  Speaker 3: about Donald Trump and Donald Trump's crimes, we don't, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we will end up with a situation where all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden they've rallied behind someone else, because I don't
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  Speaker 3: know that even Republicans are as enamored of this idea
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  Speaker 3: of an indicted presidential candidate as some of their pundits say.
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  Speaker 3: So we have to be a little bit cautious.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the speaker of the House of Representatives today, based
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  Speaker 1: on rumors that Donald Trump might be indicted, threatened an
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  Speaker 1: investigation of the Manhattan district attorney. Talk about letting the
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  Speaker 1: process play out. So that's where Kevin McCarthy is. Mike Pence,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: of Hang Mike Pence fame, who did this big brave
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  Speaker 1: thing at the Gridiron dinner when there were no cameras,
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  Speaker 1: saying that what Donald Trump did on January 6th was awful.
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  Speaker 1: He said today, he took Trump's side in this and
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  Speaker 1: was like, this is a horrible investigation. DeSantis has not
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  Speaker 1: said anything yet.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, he's feeding them info. He's feeding them FBI info.
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  Speaker 7: He's hoping this whole thing goes to hell.
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  Speaker 1: What would you guys do if you were Ron DeSantis' campaigner,
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  Speaker 1: Ron DeSantis? Would you just say this is a travesty
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  Speaker 1: of justice, or would you use this as an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to sort of needle Donald Trump a little bit?
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  Speaker 4: I think Ron DeSantis needs to get in front of
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  Speaker 4: the story by performing a citizen's arrest, personally.
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  Speaker 5: Or he could have a newly deputized Mickey Mouse make
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  Speaker 5: the arrest.
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  Speaker 2: Because they work for Ron.
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  Speaker 4: Officer Mouse is going to escort you, Mr. President.
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  Speaker 1: Walks right into Mar-a-Lago.
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  Speaker 3: Throw him wherever they put the Beagle Boys. Beagle Boys?
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  Speaker 3: Beagle Boys? It's a DuckTales thing.
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  Speaker 4: Shut up.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I think DeSantis has gamed a lot of this
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  Speaker 3: out in that he has a kind of argument that
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  Speaker 3: he's making obliquely about, you know, I'm precise, I'm on message.
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  Speaker 3: With me, you always know that I don't dither, I
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  Speaker 3: don't delay or wait too long or vacillate or go
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  Speaker 3: back and forth. That basically, like, I am Trump without
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  Speaker 3: the chaos. And I assume he will be making that argument.
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  Speaker 1: But that, you know, when the FBI raided Mar-a-Lago, DeSantis
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  Speaker 1: came out and did the whole, like, this is an outrage, blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 1: If his argument is, I'm Trump without the baggage, I'm
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  Speaker 1: Trump without the chaos, this is the baggage, the fact
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  Speaker 1: that he's going to be running for president with a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of indictments. If DeSantis comes out, and by the
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  Speaker 1: time people listen to this podcast, he'll probably have said something,
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  Speaker 1: but if DeSantis comes out and is just like, this
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  Speaker 1: is outrageous, whatever, he sort of gives away his whole
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  Speaker 1: fucking argument.
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  Speaker 3: I think that he can get a... There's no reason
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  Speaker 3: for him not to take a bunch of shot at Democrats,
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  Speaker 3: Democratic prosecutors, while still giving him the space to say...
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  Speaker 3: we need to be able to kind of run a campaign.
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  Speaker 3: We just need to get past some of these distractions
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  Speaker 3: of the past, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: But I think just to make something crystal clear, like
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  Speaker 5: the two worst United States Supreme Court justices were both
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: appointed by Bushes. Like they weren't appointed by Donald Trump,
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  Speaker 5: Alito and Thomas. Those are obviously, those are the two worst.
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  Speaker 5: They were, they were appointed by like nice Republicans. They
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: were appointed by good, polite Republicans. One's a fucking painter now.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: One of them is like, you know, oh, this nice war.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Criminal painting landscapes.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: Like, the fact of the matter is, regardless of how
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: nice or unchaotic or polite or orderly a Republican gets
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: elected to an important office, chaos ensues eventually. Like, we're
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: seeing chaos ensuing now because of judicial appointments made 10, 20,
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: 30 years ago. And I think that's a really important
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: thing for Democrats to realize. keep hitting when they're messaging
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: for this election and all upcoming elections.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: And I'll just add....
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: George W.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Bush's paintings have a surprising amount of pathos.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Sorry about the war crimes?
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Just, no, I'm just.
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, I need candy at a funeral.
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: But even to your point, though, about DeSantis, though, honestly,
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: his opinion isn't going to change the outcome. So he
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: can take that route.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: You know, he can still.
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: He can take the same tack, and it will not
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: change what happens with Donald Trump being charged or not.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: So I kind of agree. DeSantis' whole thing is just
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: culture war all the time. And it's not just that
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: he doesn't have Trump's charm, such as it is. It's
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: also that when Trump ran alongside the toxic stew of
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: racism and misogyny, he also was talking about trade and
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: manufacturing jobs and bullying CEOs who wanted to move their
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: jobs overseas. DeSantis doesn't do any of that. He doesn't
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: go to voters' actual lives in any sense. And it
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: feels like if it's just Ron DeSantis kind of flopping
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: around on the national stage, most people are like, why
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: is he doing that? That's terrible.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: It's like opportunity costs. Like, what isn't he doing? Well,
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: he's doing all this dumb bullshit. He's not helping reduce
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: the cost of housing for Floridians. He's not helping be
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: more climate resilient. He's not doing the things that people
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: actually need him to do. He's, like, invading Disney World. Like,
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: that's not useful. That's not governing. That's just doing something
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: that's loud and big, and it's not actually helping people.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: And he's not even doing the things that we'd want
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: him to do, like guarantee us at least three or
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: four seasons of Andor.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: Use your power, Governor.
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: There's also a huge blob of seaweed headed towards Florida,
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: but that's another.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Conversation for another day. On that note. All right. We'll
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: be back shortly with more news.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: And we're back.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: We're on the road with a Pod Save America tour show.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: We're like the Rolling Stones but with fewer sequin blazers
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: and somehow our knees are worse.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: But like the Stones, we're gonna give the people what
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: they want. Now it's time for OK Stop. Republican Governor
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Kristi Noem on Fox News addressed the greatest threat we
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: face as a country, climate change. Specifically, the changing climate
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: of social media, TikTok. Let's roll the clip.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: And what about that app? What do you want to
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: say to parents who may have their kids have TikTok
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: on their phone?
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: You've banned it on government devices, but how much of
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: a threat is it to ordinary American families?
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, stop. Governor, should parents be smashing their children's phones
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: with a sledgehammer? If your child has borrowed your phone,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: should you smash your own phone in front of your children?
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: As a child of a mother who was wildly addicted
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: to TikTok, it's.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: The other way around.
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: Like, my mother's eye doctor had to, like, talk to
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: her about this. It's pretty wild, too, because, like, you
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: look at TikTok and the app that's, you know, made
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: famous because of all these dances, and, like, the most adamant,
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: the people who are the most adamantly opposed to it
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: are people with the least amount of rhythm.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: How much of a threat is it on a scale
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: of one to drag queen story hour how worried.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: Should we be it should have been a scale of
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: one to 16 19 that's.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Good that's good that's good that's it i'll do my
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: next joke later uh.
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: Let's keep going sit your kids down have a conversation
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: tell them to knock.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: It off Okay, stop. Like the conversation you had with
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: your husband after he kept texting that woman he slept
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: with after your shared annual marital reprieve.
• 23:09
  Speaker 11: Wow.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Knock it off.
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: If you try to tell your kid to knock it
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: off on TikTok, it is inevitably going to become a
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: viral TikTok moment.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, your kid's taping you.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Your kid's Claudia Conway-ing you and is on their way
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: to becoming a viral celebrity.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, tell them to knock it off. That always works.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Kids are like, my parents don't like it. That's why
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: I'm going to stop. That's the gist of every breakfast
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: cereal commercial. Parents hate it, so I don't eat it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: It's the opposite. Let's keep going.
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: They slept in their beds last night, safe and secure.
• 23:52
  Speaker 10: because of sacrifices that were made for this country, and
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: that to respect that, they should not allow our enemies
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: to come right into their homes and to manipulate their
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: thoughts and their minds and how they feel about the
• 24:03
  Speaker 10: United States of America.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Okay, stop. Ask not what your country can do for you.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Ask what short-form video sharing apps you can delete for
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: your country. Look, it's just.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: So funny that, like, You hear someone say this and
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: you open TikTok, and it's a person playing guitar to
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: a funny dog bark.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's good advice because, like, when I talk
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: to Charlie, you know, I do talk to him about
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: our country's enemies and how he.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Should be thankful for the sacrifice. He's two and a half.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Two and a half.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He should be thankful for the sacrifices made and
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: he shouldn't allow mind control. It works.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: It works.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: When you ride with TikTok, you ride with Osama.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Oh!
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: She's talking about manipulation on Fox News of all places.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: That's our job.
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: If we lose this country, where do we go? Where
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: do they go? What's a better opportunity for the American
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: dream than right here?
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, stop.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Now, in fairness, the American dream, it does work best here.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: It's like fish tacos. They don't work to go. The
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: American dream. You know what I'm saying? The American dream
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: is dine in.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Has she anticipated that they might actually have TikTok in
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: other countries?
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Because that seems like another problem with her thesis.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: That's like the whole problem that she is suggesting TikTok
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: has is it's from another country.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good point. But what if the American
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: dream decides that there's so much TikTok in America, it
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: needs to leave? And then finds out there's TikTok in
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: other countries.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: I'm just worried for her.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: That's my concern.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Well, I just want to say that it's all fun
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: and games. But first, your boys and girls are watching
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: a hot, soft-spoken Canadian teach them how to scallop potatoes.
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: What?
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Next thing you know, he's telling them how to kill
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: their parents. That's how it starts. Is your algorithm not
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: hot guys making different kinds of starches? Because mine's math
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: videos and hot guys cooking. So I think we got
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: to get this thing out of here.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: I had a bear dancing to Pony by Genuine today.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got that too.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: That's cool.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: And a hot guy making grilled cheese. And that's OK Stop.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about America's most important election of 2023. The
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: April 4th race that could give liberals control of the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin Supreme Court for the first time in 15 years.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: MAGA favorite Dan Kelly is running against progressive judge Janet Lovett.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: Protosewitz.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Ah, he got it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Anyone can say Judge Janet, but it
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: takes a Protosewitz. I want to know that I stole
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: that from Ben Wickler and I've been stealing it all day.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: He stole it from Ben and then he fucked it
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: up at three different canvas events before he finally stuck
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the landing.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Anyone can say Judge Janet, but a pro to say what's.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: It takes a pro to say what's.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: There we see that. It's Ben. Ben did it. Anyway,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: this is a contest that will determine the fate of
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: abortion access, gerrymandering, and democracy itself for this state, one
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: of the most important swing states in the country. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: because the stakes are so high and the state is
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: so evenly divided, it has already become the most expensive
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: judicial race in American history. Mandela, I know there are
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: people listening who've heard that Wisconsin is a badly gerrymandered state,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: but I'm not sure everyone understands how you basically have
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: one party rule here, despite the fact that we have
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: a Democratic governor. Can you talk about what it was
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: like governing for Democrats when you were lieutenant governor and
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: how that might change if Judge Podosewicz wins?
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll tell you, it was very frustrating. Even in
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: this room, think about all the things that are important
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: to everybody here. Raising the minimum wage, legal marijuana, all
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: these things that people have been asking for. When we
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: first took office, it was frustrating on many fronts. It
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: was frustrating because we couldn't get our agenda through like
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: we wanted to. We didn't have the veto, thank God
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: for that. But I will say, though, it was also
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: frustrating when people come up to me, he's not legal
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: here yet. We won an election, but the legislature would
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: have to pass it. Why haven't you expanded BadgerCare? And
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: it's like, well, it's because the legislature did it every time,
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: every single time. So as purple as Wisconsin is, as
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: close as our elections are, the legislature does not reflect that.
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: Overwhelming Republican majorities in both houses that they did not earn,
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: and the will of the people is not being respected.
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: Our agenda was our agenda. But it is what the
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: people have been asking for. It's what the people, many,
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: I would say what people have been dying for. The
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: reality is 90,000, 100,000 or so more people that could
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: have been covered through Badger Care, through expansion of the
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: Affordable Care Act, people's lives are actually in jeopardy. And
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: when it comes to meeting the needs, it does not
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: happen with this legislature. So it is incredibly difficult. It
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: is heartbreaking. when you hear the stories of people who
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: just go without health insurance, racked up, unimaginable debt, people
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: who are still being incarcerated for simple possession, like all
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: these things that are happening right now today because the
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: legislature just says no to everything. They refuse to act
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: in good faith. Before we took office, they went in
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: a special session to take away the authority of the
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: governor and from the attorney general. So, Wisconsin could be
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: a much different place, right? That's, again, why April 4th
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: is so important, because if we flip one seat on
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: the Supreme Court, fair maps are within the realm of possibility,
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: and Getting rid of our 1849 criminal abortion ban is
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: well within the realm of possibility. And fair maps for
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: everything else we want.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: So, Aaron, Mandela just mentioned that law, the 1849 law
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: that makes abortion illegal. Republicans in the legislature just introduced
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: a bill that that would create rape and incest exceptions
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: that's already received bipartisan opposition, including a veto threat from
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Governor Evers. What does that tell you that they introduced
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: that bill about both the politics of abortion in the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: state and why the issue is so tied to this race?
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: Well, I think that those exceptions that people in red
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: states who consider themselves compassionate are trying to introduce actually
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: expose the dead end of their viewpoint, right? So is
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: a zygote a full human being with rights that deserve
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: to be more important than the rights of the female
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: body that it inhabits, that it needs to stay alive,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: or isn't it? Because if it is, then there should
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: be no exceptions under any circumstances. But if it isn't,
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: then it doesn't really matter how the conception, it doesn't
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: make any fucking sense.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Here's the truth. Here's the truth. The truth of the
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: matter is that more.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Than 50% of Wisconsin voters believe in the right to abortion.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: They believe that Wisconsin residents have a right to abortion
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: without interference from their government. And the action of the
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: state government and this 1849 ban do not reflect the
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: will of the people or the beliefs of the people.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: And honestly, it's very creepy that so many people who
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: cannot have children that they grow in their bodies are
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: trying to make laws governing what those of us who
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: can must do.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: It is so fucked up. It doesn't matter. Thank you.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: The fact of the matter is this proposed exception that
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: is receiving bipartisan opposition is is a betrayal of the
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: fact that the Republican viewpoint is not truly sincere.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: It's just oppressive.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: And I think what's really, really important for the future
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: of Wisconsin is for people who are on the right
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: side of this to remind people that a vote for
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: any Republican, for any office, any office, is a vote
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: to have government interfere with choices that you get to
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: make about your body.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: That's it. Obviously a lot of implications for the state
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: of Wisconsin in this race. This election also has national implications, Ben.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: You had a fairly terrifying tweet thread about what control
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: of the court could mean for 2024. Can you walk
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: us through that?
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Sadly, yes. So in Wisconsin, we very painfully remember 2020
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: when there were the 60 plus Trump cases to try
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: to attack the election results. The one case that got
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: the furthest was the case that reached Wisconsin State Supreme
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Court and three of the seven justices voted to take
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: up Trump's case to throw out like a quarter million ballots,
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: which would have overturned the 2020 election. The one who
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: didn't support Trump's case, part of his argument against it
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: was Trump waited until after the election to object to
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: the votes that were cast. So let's go to 2024.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Just to be clear, if Dan Kelly had been on
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: the court in 2020, there would have been four votes
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: to overturn the election and the election would have been overturned.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: We beat him that spring and he didn't get to
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: do that. He wants to get on the court now.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Trump endorsed him in 2020. I'm sure he would love
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Dan Kelly to be on the court in 2024. So
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: let's say we're in 2024. We're getting close to election day.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: If you look at the electoral college map, Michigan's looking
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: pretty blue right now. Good work, Michigan. Yeah. Pennsylvania is
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: looking pretty blue right now. Good work, Pennsylvania.
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: That means that the only state that gets Trump to
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: 270 electoral college votes, or God help us, DeSantis, it's Wisconsin.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: This is the state they have to win. That's why
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: they put their national convention here. That's why they put
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: their first presidential primary debate here. That's why they put
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: their next Republican National Committee meeting here. So the whole
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: country is dependent on what happens here in 2024. It's
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: a few weeks before the election, and suddenly Republicans file
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: a whole bunch of lawsuits objecting to ways they know
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Democrats are voting. I don't know which group of Democrats
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: they're targeting. Maybe it's black voters. Maybe it's student voters.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Maybe they have a list of people that they don't
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: want to vote.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's black voters.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: It's probably black voters. Maybe it's a combo. They could
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: do a combo. They put these lawsuits in place. The
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: state Supreme Court, this is if Dan Kelly wins, with
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: a 4-3 majority, the state Supreme Court takes up their lawsuits.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Election night comes. It's looking close. As happened in 2020,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: Trump gets an early lead because they haven't counted a
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: lot of the absentee ballots yet. And then suddenly, after
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: some weird-sounding claimed irregularities that Republican activists put in, a
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: fourth re-vote of the state Supreme Court stops the count.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: And the entire country is in limbo. And record scratch,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: freeze frame, you think to yourself, in 2023... I had
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: a chance to stop this guy from getting on the
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Supreme Court and casting that deciding vote. This is our
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: only chance to stop Dan Kelly from getting on the
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: state Supreme Court and throwing 2024. That is scary.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I want to run out of the theater.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's scary. That's scary. Mandela, Judge Protusewitz has so
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: far outspent Dan Kelly's campaign, but Kelly... just recently said
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: that the cavalry is on its way. You just ran
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: a Senate race that was decided by about a point
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: where you were considerably outspent towards the end. For people
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: who aren't familiar with the inner workings of a campaign,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: can you talk tactically about how and why that becomes
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: so difficult when you're facing an opponent that's spending so
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: much money?
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: And I'll say that the cavalry has always been there
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: for Dan Kelly. It's how he got through the primary.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: One donor.
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: and out-of-state donor at that, spent more than every person
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: in Wisconsin in this primary. So the outside spending has
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: been there. It's going to continue to be there. And
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: it also gives Republican candidates like Dan Kelly an opportunity
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: to not spend time on the phones and go out
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: there and just talk whatever crap they want to talk
• 37:14
  Speaker 7: all across the state. It frees them up of the
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: responsibility of having to fulfill campaign responsibilities. Now, with that
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: being said, I'm really incredibly glad, proud of the job
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: that Judge Janet Protasewicz is doing. Outspending, you know, Dan
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: Kelly's campaign proper, it is a great position to be in.
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: Huge shout out to Ben, too, that's like, you know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: helped build just a wonderful.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Just a really.
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: Significant, substantial, you know, financial apparatus that we didn't have before.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: You know, certainly was helpful to me. I know a
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: lot of y'all got my text messages.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Um....
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: So just really thankful for what you've been doing. But
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: it gives us a chance to make sure that our
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: message is communicated, right? Like you see the ads on YouTube, Hulu,
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: broadcast television, cable. You see them everywhere. But the reality
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: is we cannot afford to continue to be out communicated
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: on any medium because when we're thinking about these undecided voters,
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: like so many people, take exactly what they see in
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: those ads, in those commercials as law. The people who
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: aren't in this crowd right now, the people who aren't
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: as plugged in as we are, the majority of people aren't.
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: And if we aren't getting our information out about Janet,
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: then it's going to be a world of trouble. So
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: we have to do everything we can to not just
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: match them, but to outgun them. And we're finally getting
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: to a place where it's happening. And if they're saying
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: the cavalry is coming, they mean it. And we need
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: to respond in kind.
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Um so ben uh dan kelly lost his 2020 race
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: by 10 points um the in in the primary we
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: just had 11 11 points all right 11 they were just.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Knows what she's talking about someone who remembers the number
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: for some reason.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: That's good good correction um In the primary that we
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: just had a couple weeks ago, I think the combined
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: liberal candidates were 54%, and the combined conservative candidates were 46%.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: So all of this seems like good news, but I've
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: known you long enough to know that you are not
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: sleeping at night even knowing all of that. So what
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: is keeping you up at night about this race in
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the final weeks?
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: So the thing keeping me up at night right now
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: is the year 2019. In 2019, I was running for
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: state party chair that spring. And a lot of folks,
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: probably a lot of folks here volunteered to try to
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: help make sure we could win the Supreme Court race
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: in 2019. I heard that, whoop, thank you. In that race,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: the progressive candidate was up significantly in the internal polling
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: that both sides were seeing. And some conservatives had walked
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: away from the conservative candidate. But in the final week,
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: a super PAC funded by Leonard Leo, the guy behind
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: the Federalist Society, who was sitting on about a billion
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: and a half dollars that a conservative donor gave him,
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: that super PAC flooded the state. And what they did
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: was spike Republican turnout. Republican Trump voters who don't normally
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: vote in spring elections surged out. They used a ton
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: of messaging to make them feel like they were being victimized.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: And we wound up losing that race by 5,981 votes.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: That's less than one vote per precinct across the state.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: So as we go into the home stretch, the wind
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: is at our backs. I mean, we are outspending the
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: other side. The other side has more independent expenditures. But
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: because Scott Walker actually changed the law, the state party
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: for state candidates, I wish it was true for federal
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: candidates like Senate candidates, the state party is allowed to
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: provide unlimited support to our candidate. The candidate is doing
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: an amazing job. Candidates get cheaper TV ads than independent groups.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: So even when we're being outspent, we are out-communicating them
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: right now. But, yeah, I mean, it's good. It's really good.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: It's extraordinary. And everyone who has donated so far, I
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: can't thank you enough. But if they come in with
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: a kind of explosion of... you know, not just misinformation
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: and attack ads, but stuff to goose Republican turnout through
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: the roof, we need to counter it by organizing ourselves
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: even bigger. And that is why, no matter how great
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: things look, no matter how much everyone you know says
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: they're voting for Janet, they'd never vote for Dan Kelly,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: this is the time to volunteer, which, by the way,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: go to wisstems.org slash help, and you can help. It's...
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Thank you. To knock doors, to cancel all your plans,
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: cancel your dentist... Delay your dentist appointment so you can
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: knock on doors. If you're anywhere in the country, you
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: can get on the phones. There are hundreds of thousands
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: of progressive Democratic voters who've never voted in a spring election.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: And if you call them, they will vote. And if
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: they vote, we will win this election. This is the
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: time to donate. You can go to wisdems.org, just the
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: whole website, and go and donate at any moment. We're
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: having a Greece cast reunion with a cast of Greece.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Very appropriate for some reason. It's very exciting. That's on
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: the 26th. Anyone who donates even a dollar or volunteers
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: between now and the 26th of March can get into
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: that for free. So go to wisdoms.org slash Greece. And
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: I say all this because this is the kind of
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: race where a podcast audience or one auditorium full of
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: people who make it their job to to spend every
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: second they can finding every voter they can, they can
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: win this election and save democracy in Wisconsin. And if
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: you save democracy in Wisconsin, you save it for the
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: entire country. This is the moment. All right.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: When we come back, we will have Judge Janet Pertusiewicz.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the stage Judge Janet Protasewicz.
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: Thank you so much. Wow, what a group.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Judge Janet.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Judge Janet. I like that.
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: What's your judicial philosophy and how does it differ from
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: your opponents?
• 43:32
  Speaker 11: Well, first of all, I'd like to say hello to
• 43:33
  Speaker 11: everyone who came out here tonight. I am absolutely delighted
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: and honored to be here.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about judicial philosophy.
• 43:46
  Speaker 11: What is that?
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: That's treating everybody fairly.
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: That's treating everybody with respect. That's being independent. That's not
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: being an extremist. That's bringing common sense back to our
• 43:58
  Speaker 11: Supreme Court, right? My opponent, Dan Kelly, is the opposite
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: of that. The 100% opposite. He has predetermined outcomes. That's
• 44:16
  Speaker 11: what he does. He's been bought by the Republican Party
• 44:20
  Speaker 11: of the state of Wisconsin. I tell people he's not
• 44:22
  Speaker 11: a conservative. He's an extremist. We know exactly what he's
• 44:27
  Speaker 11: going to do. We know exactly what he's going to
• 44:29
  Speaker 11: do on every case. We know exactly what he's going
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: to do on every case that's important to us. He
• 44:34
  Speaker 11: is extremely dangerous. He is dangerous for the people in
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: this state.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: Okay, so right now, right now, as we've discussed on
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: this stage, legislative districts in the state of Wisconsin are
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: so gerrymandered that it's really hard to get anything done.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: In a lot of cases, the best hope that Democrats
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: have is to just elect a governor that will veto.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: All of their crazy laws.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: What would your election to the Supreme Court do to
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: help unjam what's jammed up in Wisconsin state politics?
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: All right, great question.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely great question.
• 45:14
  Speaker 11: You know, we had a forum in Madison in January,
• 45:17
  Speaker 11: and I said those maps are rigged. I stand by
• 45:20
  Speaker 11: that statement that our maps are rigged in this state.
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: They are rigged. It means we don't have competitive districts.
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: It means that people aren't adequately represented. It means our
• 45:35
  Speaker 11: representative democracy, you know, is.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Really at peril.
• 45:39
  Speaker 11: What I would like to do, and remember, I'm running
• 45:42
  Speaker 11: for a judicial spot. Can't promise anybody anything. I can
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: tell you what my personal value is. My personal value
• 45:50
  Speaker 11: is that our democracy is paramount. It is the most
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: important thing that we have. And the way our maps
• 45:59
  Speaker 11: are configured right now, our democracy is at peril. I
• 46:04
  Speaker 11: would certainly welcome the opportunity to have a fresh look
• 46:09
  Speaker 11: at our maps.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: That'll do it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: So, Judge Protasewicz, One issue you've been pretty candid about
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: is your belief that Wisconsinites have the right to abortion
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: without interference from government officials. What kind of a difference
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: could you make on this issue if you were added
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: to the court?
• 46:34
  Speaker 11: So I'll tell you this. I have been very, very
• 46:36
  Speaker 11: forthright that my personal value is that women have a
• 46:39
  Speaker 11: right to choose. Reproductive decisions belong to the person, right?
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: That's what I believe.
• 46:46
  Speaker 11: And I have been very, very forthright about that.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I can tell you this.
• 46:50
  Speaker 11: I think everybody in this audience knows we are operating
• 46:53
  Speaker 11: under an 1849 near total abortion ban. I can tell
• 46:58
  Speaker 11: you that. I can tell you with 100% certainty.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: 100%, that.
• 47:06
  Speaker 11: If my opponent is elected to our Wisconsin Supreme Court,
• 47:11
  Speaker 11: that ban is going to stand. I can promise you that.
• 47:15
  Speaker 11: You know, you can take a look at Wisconsin Right
• 47:17
  Speaker 11: to Life's website, and you'll see a picture of my opponent.
• 47:22
  Speaker 11: And you'll see that they have endorsed him. And you
• 47:24
  Speaker 11: will see that Wisconsin Right to Life states, we endorsed
• 47:29
  Speaker 11: him because he pledged, the word they use, pledged, to
• 47:34
  Speaker 11: uphold our values. So I can tell you what will
• 47:37
  Speaker 11: happen if he is elected to the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
• 47:41
  Speaker 11: I think you all know what my value is. People
• 47:44
  Speaker 11: should have a right to choose. That is my value.
• 47:47
  Speaker 11: And I think that that is paramount. And I certainly
• 47:49
  Speaker 11: expect that we'll be looking at that issue in the
• 47:52
  Speaker 11: near future.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Judge, in 2010, I had left my home of Wisconsin,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: but I remember watching this from afar and being like,
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: what is happening in my state? In 2010, then Governor
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: Scott Walker made moves to dismantle public sector unions.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Since then, Wisconsin has done a lot of high profile backsliding.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: What are some of the most egregious ways that you've
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: seen Republicans in Wisconsin ignore the law or the will
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: of voters? And what are some positive changes that Democrats
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: have been blocked from enacting?
• 48:30
  Speaker 11: Okay, so there are so many answers that I could
• 48:33
  Speaker 11: give you to that question. So many answers. So let's
• 48:36
  Speaker 11: talk a little bit about Act 10. You know, I
• 48:40
  Speaker 11: come from a union family. I was a union member.
• 48:44
  Speaker 11: I was a union member when Act 10 was enacted.
• 48:53
  Speaker 11: So what action did I take? At that point, I
• 48:55
  Speaker 11: was an assistant district attorney in Milwaukee. I signed the
• 48:59
  Speaker 11: governor's recall petition. And I came to this beautiful city,
• 49:05
  Speaker 11: and I marched at the Capitol in protest of Act 10.
• 49:13
  Speaker 11: And this race has received so very much attention. The
• 49:17
  Speaker 11: New York Times asked me about it.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: And they said.
• 49:20
  Speaker 11: what do you think do you think that Act 10
• 49:22
  Speaker 11: was unconstitutional and I said well I agree with the
• 49:26
  Speaker 11: dissent in that case where the author said Act 10
• 49:30
  Speaker 11: is unconstitutional So we have so many issues. When I
• 49:41
  Speaker 11: tell people that everything that we care about is on
• 49:44
  Speaker 11: the line with this election, I mean everything. We talked
• 49:49
  Speaker 11: about those gerrymandered maps. We talked about a woman's right
• 49:52
  Speaker 11: to choose. The 2024 presidential election. You know, Ben and
• 49:58
  Speaker 11: Mandela talked to you about that. That is likely to
• 50:01
  Speaker 11: come in front of our Wisconsin Supreme Court chamber. What
• 50:04
  Speaker 11: about marriage equality? What about LGBTQ rights? What about our environment?
• 50:11
  Speaker 11: All of our Wisconsin values. Very, very likely that these
• 50:15
  Speaker 11: issues are going to come in front of our Supreme Court.
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: But then there's something that's really overreaching over all of those,
• 50:22
  Speaker 11: and that is integrity and fairness and getting away from
• 50:26
  Speaker 11: the extremism. I would think we would all want You
• 50:38
  Speaker 11: are a fun group. Nobody else applauds when anybody talks
• 50:43
  Speaker 11: about judicial philosophy, right?
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: You are really fun.
• 50:51
  Speaker 11: But just our independence, everything, getting away from the extremism.
• 50:55
  Speaker 11: So it's not just those issues that are going to
• 50:58
  Speaker 11: come before the Supreme Court. It's really the integrity of
• 51:01
  Speaker 11: the institution itself that is at peril.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Judge.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: Your opponent, Dan Kelly, was first appointed to the state
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: Supreme Court by former Governor Scott Walker back in 2016,
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: but then he lost his bid for reelection to Judge
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: Jill Karofsky.
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: Who is here in an infamous COVID-19 era election.
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: So how can people listening and how can people here
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: ensure that in 2023, Dan Kelly loses again?
• 51:38
  Speaker 11: Well, besides getting out and voting, Kelly's got two L's.
• 51:45
  Speaker 11: Would that be for two losses? Pro to say what
• 51:57
  Speaker 11: has a W. What does that stand for?
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: All right, Judge Janet Protasewicz, I have one final question
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: for you.
• 52:10
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: How far is the Marquette men's basketball team going to
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: make it?
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: All the way.
• 52:18
  Speaker 9: All the way.
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: One more time for Judge.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: Damn it.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Fuck, fuck.
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: One more time for Judge Protocewicz.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I got it.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: I got it.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: And we're back.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: You know, it takes a pro.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: It takes a Protocewicz.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there it is.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Although Senator Tammy Baldwin taught us just an easier way
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: to remember, which is just Judge Prochoicewicz, which doesn't work,
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: but is good messaging.
• 53:12
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure to join all of you here
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: in Wisconsin. The heart of the country. A heart brimming
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: with dairy. Which is why it's time for a game
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: we're calling Truth or Dairy. Now, I want you to
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: know something. My intention for this game was that instead
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: of taking shots of alcohol, we would take shots of
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: whole milk. But my West Coast softies were like, whole milk?
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: It was like we were describing Drano to them. But
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: luckily for us, Ben Wickler and Mandela Barnes want to
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: show their face in this state for the rest of
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: their lives, so they're going to do milk. And I'll
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: tell you one other thing. When I said, oh, but
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: if I'm hosting, I don't get to have the milk.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: And then someone on the team was like, you mean
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: have to have the milk. And I meant, no, get
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: to have it. Here we go.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: Enjoy.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: We're going to deal with her later. So it's time
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: for a quiz about dairy.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Are you ready?
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. And if you get it wrong, you have to
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: take a shot of either dairy or alcohol.
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: All right? You're ready? You have a shot? Ready to go?
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Because there's no dairy on this table.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Just this week, Wisconsin Republicans blocked a mandate requiring students
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: to be vaccinated against what potential deadly disease? Is it A, measles, B, meningitis, C, rubella,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: or D, cordyceps brain infection? Everybody throw out an answer.
• 55:07
  Speaker 9: Meningitis.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Meningitis. Meningitis.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Meningitis.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Meningitis that's correct that is correct it wasn't the disease
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: from the last of us last month green bay welcomed
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: the united so nobody drinks last month green bay welcomed
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: the united states championship cheese contest within five of the
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: correct answer how many of the 113 cheese related categories
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: did wisconsin win this year.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: How many how many categories.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: There's 113 categories wisconsin did very well just you have
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: to just guess a number and be close.
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with 100 I'm.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: So scared if this is so wrong, but I think
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: it's 23. Is that right?
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: But it was a lot.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: It was a lot. I'm going with 70.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to do 72.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: Is this Price is Right rules?
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: It is not, but everybody is drinking milk because the
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: answer was 54. It was a lot. You guys did great.
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: You did great.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: You punched above your weight, cheese-wise.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Cheers.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Is that too much?
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: That is so much alcohol.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: It was just a shot glass.
• 56:11
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: Here, you want to give me some?
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: Take your shot, you weenies. All right.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: Think about how much of the world doesn't live in
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: Wisconsin and how much does. And then we get 54.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: That's a lot of cheese categories.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: It's good cheese work, Wisconsin.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: And same rules. Now, how many did California take home? Now,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: we make a lot of milk in California. We got
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: a lot.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: There are some good creameries out on the West Coast.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Not as many as here, but there are some good creameries.
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: Let's see.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: California.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Fifteen?
• 56:45
  Speaker 9: Eight.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: Zero. I was going to say one. Five.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: You want to say five? I'll say five. How many
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: did you say?
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: Fifteen.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I said eight.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: John, take a shot. It was nine. Everyone else was
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: close enough. Oh, you said zero.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: Take a shot.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Everyone else was close enough.
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: I remember those BS happy cows come from California commercials.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: It was terrible.
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: You can't even make cheese.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: They just make sunshine.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: We don't need cheese anymore. We have Ozempic.
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: That means we can have more cheese.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: That's the whole point of Ozempic, right?
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know how it works. My doctor won't give
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: it to me. Last month, the FDA released draft guidance
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: stating that non-dairy beverages can market themselves with the word milk,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: provided they include information comparing the nutritional value of plant-baked milk,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: a suggestion farmers across the country are taking umbrage with.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: In fact, earlier this month, Senator Tammy Baldwin submitted the
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Senate version of what bill? Pushing back on calling plant-based milk, milk.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Was it A, the Dairy Pride Act? B, the Milkionaire Act?
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: The what?
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: Milkionaire. C, the Cownerfit Act? Or D, the misdary act.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: Misdary act.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go with A on that one.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: It's Tammy Baldwin, so I'm guessing counterfeit.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Dairy Pride.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Dairy Pride.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: It's Dairy Pride. Aaron, take a shot. Take a shot.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: It's not just a bill here, to be clear. Dairy
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: Pride is what this date is about.
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll take this shot even though I got it right.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: This just ends with just milk, just stage covered in milk.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: debauched dairy experience this is unrelated to dairy but it's
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: still a good question in february wisconsin senator ron johnson
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: called what american institution a ponzi scheme was it a
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: student loans b the girl scouts c social security or
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: d ticket master.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: It is always Social Security. Yeah, it's got to be
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Social Security.
• 59:06
  Speaker 10: It is.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: It's Social Security.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: I wish it were the Girl Scouts, though. That'd be amazing.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: The University of Wisconsin-Madison was the first college in the
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: nation to offer a major in what subject? A, dairy. B, film. C,
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: women's studies.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: Or D, Russian. Sounds like dairy.
• 59:28
  Speaker 10: Dairy.
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: But maybe it's women's studies.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: No, it's dairy.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: It's dairy. Oh no, I have to drink some milk.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: You gotta drink some milk. Now, before we go, when
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: we were backstage, Ben said, I want to make sure
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: I plug what we're trying to do to win this
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: race one more time. And I said, fine, but you
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: have as much time as it takes me to drink
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: a quart of sassy cow chocolate milk.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, Ben, Ben, there's 17 days between now and the election.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I would love you to go through day by day
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: what we should do each day.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Let's begin.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: All right. How many people here drove from outside of Madison?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: Can I hear? Thank you. People from all over Wisconsin
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: came to this show. If you're listening right now, you
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: should cheer if you're not in Wisconsin. I can hear
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: their voices in their cars. If everyone here... signs up
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: for three door-knocking shifts, we're going to knock 75,000 doors
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: in the next 17 days. We are knocking every weekend.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: We are knocking through the week. We have early vote
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: in Wisconsin. Starts on Tuesday, March 21st. In Wisconsin, you
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 4: can same day register to vote, which means you can
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: show up even if you're unregistered, cast a ballot, recruit
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: three friends to vote. Everyone here, everyone listening, can make
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: phone calls, knock on doors, and get people to participate
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: in this election. If we do that, we win, we
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: change history. Let's do this!
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Oh my God!
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: WisDems.org.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: For those listening at home, there's no more chocolate milk
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: on this stage than is not in John Lovett's body.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: He drank it all.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 9: He drank it all. Thank you to Ben Wickler. Thank
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 9: you to Mandela Barnes. Thank you, Aaron Ryan. Thanks to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 9: Judge Janet Pertusiewicz. Go vote for her on April 4th.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Madison.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: Good night, everybody.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. That's a lot of milk. That's a
• 1:01:45
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• 1:02:09
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• 1:02:11
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• 1:02:14
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• 1:02:16
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• 1:02:19
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• 1:02:22
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• 1:02:24
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