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Real "Hort" Girl Sh%t w/ Colah B Tawkin · We Talk Back

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  Speaker 1: We're just two unapologetically Black women with an opinion who
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  Speaker 1: talk back.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, y'all? Thank you for tuning in for a
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  Speaker 2: new episode of We Talk Back, a show dedicated to
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  Speaker 2: you ninjas and you pros. That's better. I like clean
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  Speaker 2: it up, girl. And everybody in between. And everybody in between.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, Tam?
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  Speaker 3: Hey, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: It's me, Tam Bam. I love y'all. Thank y'all for
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  Speaker 2: tuning in again. How was your weekend, AJ? It was good.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't do much of nothing. Y'all know my life.
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  Speaker 2: You did something, bitch. Oh, you won't know my life. Right.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it is. She online. I'm going to stop
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  Speaker 2: asking her what she did this weekend because she ain't
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  Speaker 2: going to tell us. No way. If it's exciting, maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'll share, but I ain't doing much this weekend. Just
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  Speaker 2: get ready for the week, bitch. We got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of shit going on this week. Just mentally preparing. I
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  Speaker 2: went outside on Sunday. I don't know how you do it.
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  Speaker 1: Girl, I don't be knowing how I do it either.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like I'll be having a burst of.
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  Speaker 2: Energy and then... Then I'd be dead.
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  Speaker 3: Woo!
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  Speaker 2: No, I ain't do no cocaine.
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  Speaker 1: Only at the end of the world will I try cocaine.
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  Speaker 2: I went out.
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  Speaker 1: So I hung out Saturday night. I went to like
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  Speaker 1: an oyster bar, had some oysters drinks.
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  Speaker 2: It was light.
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  Speaker 1: And then on Sunday, Sunday was the turn up. I
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  Speaker 1: went to this spot called Smokehouse in Charlotte. And it's
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  Speaker 1: like kind of like it's giving turkey leg hut.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's kind of like that, but Charlotte's version,
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  Speaker 1: I guess. And then after that, I went to Stats,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Stats on Sunday night.
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  Speaker 2: I never been on Sunday, you know. You got to come.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe one time. Listen, after. So this Sunday, we have
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  Speaker 2: Henny and Waffles. They're in town. We're going to be hosting.
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  Speaker 2: So y'all pull up to that. Oak Room, Charlotte. Oak Room, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So on the 5th.
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  Speaker 1: So y'all pull up to that. But after that, that's
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  Speaker 1: over at 8. We can shoot the Stats after.
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  Speaker 3: That, girl.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. See, I'm already getting flustered mentally. I really have
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  Speaker 2: to be mentally prepared for the turn up. If I'm not,
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  Speaker 2: and I force myself to do some shit, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to be miserable the whole time. I'm a social butterfly now,
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  Speaker 2: but I be needing to recharge in a real way.
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  Speaker 2: If you an auntie, just say it out. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: an auntie, okay? I am actually an auntie. But my
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  Speaker 2: niece is like, I can't wait to turn up with
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  Speaker 2: my youngest niece. Yeah, me too. But shit, my other
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  Speaker 2: niece is 25. I'm not really an auntie.
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  Speaker 4: Not yet.
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  Speaker 2: Auntie is for chill little kids.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, all right. Well, we going outside Sunday then. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. So recharge and do whatever you need
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  Speaker 2: to do. Get somebody else a boy. Meditate. Whatever you
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  Speaker 2: need to do. Sunday is up. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Stupid internet news. What do we have this week?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I think people publicly be scared to talk about this stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but I feel like we just should. I'm scared. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like we just should.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: What is it? Because we talk back. We like to
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  Speaker 2: give our opinions on things. And if you mad, talk
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  Speaker 2: to your mom about it. Yeah, you know, so, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Over the weekend, I think, I believe Friday, Zia Wade,
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  Speaker 2: court decided that, you know, she can change her name,
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  Speaker 2: also her sex. So she's now female. Based on the courts.
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  Speaker 2: Based on the courts, her name is Zia Wade, and
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  Speaker 2: now she's a female. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So also, over this weekend, I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: watched the NAACP Awards. I missed it. But Gabrielle Union
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  Speaker 2: and Dwyane Wade also received an Image Award. And they
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  Speaker 2: spoke a lot about their daughter, Zaya. I'd like to
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  Speaker 2: point out that Dwyane Wade has, what, two other boys? Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: You really only see Zaya and the daughter that they
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  Speaker 2: have together. Mm-hmm. He has two other boys that are not, like, Well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe they don't want like a public image. Their kids too.
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  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't they want that type of public acknowledgement from
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  Speaker 2: their dad? You know what I'm saying? So the mom.
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  Speaker 2: Or maybe they get it in the media just only
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  Speaker 2: latches on to. Oh, I've been on DeWayne Reed's Instagram.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no. Okay. That's why I'm saying this. But anyway, um,
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  Speaker 2: he has, he does have a recent photo with his
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  Speaker 2: oldest son who's also playing basketball. Um, but I'm just
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  Speaker 2: talking about like over the years since this Daya thing
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  Speaker 2: was a thing. So now I don't, I disagree that
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  Speaker 2: a child 15 years old should be making this type
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  Speaker 2: of lifelong decision. Yes. And the mom actually tried to
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  Speaker 2: petition the court. Yeah. His biological mom tried to petition
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  Speaker 2: the court. to have it that he had to wait
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  Speaker 2: until he was 18. That's what I agree with. He's
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  Speaker 2: not an adult. You can't smoke cigarettes. You can't vote.
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  Speaker 2: You can't go in the military, but you can change
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  Speaker 2: your sex. Yeah, that's wild. And my thing about the
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  Speaker 2: transition in the trans community, a lot of them haven't
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  Speaker 2: actually transitioned. They still have their male parts. So what's
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  Speaker 2: the transition? You just changing your name and then putting
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  Speaker 2: a wig on. That's the weird thing for me. So
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  Speaker 2: I believe people should be able to do what they
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  Speaker 2: like It doesn't really affect my life. So why would,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: 15 is rather young to make that decision. You know, like,
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  Speaker 1: when I was that young, I didn't know who... Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I still don't know who the fuck I am. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: I've always been pretty self-aware.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like 15 is very young to be making
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  Speaker 1: such a huge decision about who you are.
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  Speaker 2: But we're in a changing world.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the world is changing so vastly and I'm
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  Speaker 1: starting a new movement.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy. Here we go with the bullshit. I'm starting.
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  Speaker 3: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 1: Listen, I'm trans age. I don't identify as the age
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  Speaker 1: I was given at birth.
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  Speaker 2: The zero?
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  Speaker 1: So I don't feel like I should have to identify
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  Speaker 1: as it.
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  Speaker 2: Why not? Why not? It's cool when they do it.
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  Speaker 2: There's a problem when I do it. Fuck them. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: but where does this lead us now? Where's the end point?
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  Speaker 1: There is no end point. Like, once you start it,
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  Speaker 1: it's like how you start. Because how are you to
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  Speaker 1: decide that now I have to be? But then, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you take it there and then people could decide their kids.
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  Speaker 2: That's what, and see, people don't like. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: the LGBTQ community, they don't want to be associated with
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  Speaker 2: those groups of people, but they have infiltrated the LGBTQ movement.
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  Speaker 3: They have.
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  Speaker 2: Well, like pedophiles and shit like that?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they don't want to be associated with that.
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  Speaker 2: You should not automatically think pedophile when you think about
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  Speaker 2: somebody who's gay.
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  Speaker 3: Like, that is weird.
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  Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. But those people have infiltrated that movement.
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  Speaker 2: They have. They're there. I saw a video this morning.
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  Speaker 2: This little boy, he might be eight. His mom... has
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  Speaker 2: him doing like drag shows. Dressing up as a little
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  Speaker 2: lady strutting in front of grown people in the room.
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  Speaker 2: That's child abuse as far as I'm concerned. He might
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  Speaker 2: be 11. No older than that. It's a little boy though.
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  Speaker 2: So dressing up in drag at these shows and prancing
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  Speaker 2: with the grown men. That is a fucking problem. Where
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  Speaker 2: are we going? And the parents are supposed to give guidance.
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  Speaker 2: So did you guide your son in that direction?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's some parents that would feel like there's nothing
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  Speaker 1: wrong with that, that it's lighthearted, that the way we're
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  Speaker 1: viewing it is a negative way and it's not a
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  Speaker 1: negative thing.
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  Speaker 2: Zaya, she's dating a trans boy, which is genetically a girl.
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  Speaker 2: So basically they straight. That's what I'm saying. What's happening?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, girl. Anyway. Moving right along. I can't.
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  Speaker 3: I cannot.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how to. And I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: get us canceled this week. I don't feel like... Why
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  Speaker 2: should we get canceled? I want to start a movement.
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  Speaker 2: If you could be homophobic, what about being heterosexual phobic? Right.
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  Speaker 2: Why is that not a thing? Because I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that's a thing. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Like, while demanding respect,
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  Speaker 2: you're being disrespectful. You know?
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  Speaker 3: Because.
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  Speaker 2: Because I don't feel like we're saying anything hateful. We
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  Speaker 2: don't hate anybody. Absolutely not. Got love for everybody. Zaya
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  Speaker 2: and the whole clan. And that, you know, that gets
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  Speaker 2: into our show today. Yeah. When we get in there. Okay. No,
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  Speaker 2: what is a woman? Yeah. That's where we heading at. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So a white law student sues Howard University for $ 2
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  Speaker 1: million after alleging he faced racial discrimination. So this white guy,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Newman, he's a former student at Howard Law. And
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  Speaker 1: he was saying that they treated him poorly. He was
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  Speaker 1: publicly ostracized, vilified, and humiliated by the students at Howard
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  Speaker 1: University by being the minority there.
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  Speaker 2: And he's suing... He's a plant. The school. He's a plant.
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  Speaker 2: They put him there to cause this shit. We went
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  Speaker 2: to Benedict. It was some white people there.
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  Speaker 3: Like.
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  Speaker 2: Africans. It was different people from all over. Nobody fucked
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  Speaker 2: with them. So you mean to tell me a prominent
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  Speaker 2: black university just was on campus fucking with this white boy?
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe it. Black people are very inviting. I
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  Speaker 2: don't believe that happened. Yeah, me too.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we will invite you to the cookout
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  Speaker 1: if you're giving the right energy. So what was you
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  Speaker 1: up on that campus doing for them? If that was
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  Speaker 1: happening to you, it happening to you, I just feel like,
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  Speaker 1: what did you do?
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  Speaker 2: And you sued him for $ 2 million. Interesting. And then
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  Speaker 2: if it was the students, why are you suing the school?
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  Speaker 1: You know like did you report it and you weren't
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  Speaker 1: being helped.
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  Speaker 2: Right and they didn't do anything about it that would
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  Speaker 2: be the only way that makes sense to me i
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  Speaker 2: don't believe it though i feel like somebody planted him
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  Speaker 2: there to do that School probably already in debt. That's
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  Speaker 2: too many to take their ass out of here. It
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  Speaker 2: seems like all black schools are low key. They are because, okay,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the one thing. And people don't want to
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  Speaker 2: hear it. They always, oh, what did Trump do for us?
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  Speaker 2: Trump actually made it to where HBCUs didn't have to
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  Speaker 2: go back to the drawing board at the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: every year and beg the government for money, you know,
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  Speaker 2: for their government, for the money, like the grants and
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that. So he made it to where they
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  Speaker 2: automatically get this money. PWIs don't have to go to
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  Speaker 2: the government every year for money. We know most black
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  Speaker 2: institutions are private, right? But they still should get federal
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  Speaker 2: funding as well. It's a school on American soil.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: They should get some federal money. Yeah, so they do
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  Speaker 2: mismanage money a lot. Well, I can't wait to see
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  Speaker 2: what happens, like if he going to win this money.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, man. I hope he don't get a dime.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to follow that, though.
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  Speaker 2: I want to see. Yeah, me too. I want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about my husband, my future husband, who is still
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  Speaker 2: on my goddamn vision board. Let me just say this.
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  Speaker 1: I said I hope he don't get a dime, but
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  Speaker 1: had it been a black student at a PWI, I'd
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  Speaker 1: be like, I hope they win.
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  Speaker 2: Am I racist? Does that make me racist? Black people
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  Speaker 2: cannot be racist. By definition. But we are prejudiced. Does
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  Speaker 2: that make me prejudiced?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I love white people though. But I mean, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like most groups give people within their group preferential treatment.
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  Speaker 2: We just don't like it when it happens to us.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's like, we really are not in position in
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  Speaker 2: many industries to put people on. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so like they can.
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  Speaker 1: In the words of my girl, I rule for everybody black.
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  Speaker 2: Period. All right. What were you about to say? All right.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about my husband, Jonathan.
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  Speaker 1: That is not your husband, bitch. How he your husband
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  Speaker 1: if he sit at.
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  Speaker 2: Night with me last night? Bitch, that's my motherfucking man.
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  Speaker 2: That's my motherfucking man. What's that from? You know the
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  Speaker 2: little boy on Instagram? His name, I be crying so bad.
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  Speaker 2: You remember the dude who was drinking the wine? He
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  Speaker 2: was like, ooh, this wine got me feeling good as fuck. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he had like a skit where.
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  Speaker 6: He was in his nigga phone and dude was waking up. Like,
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  Speaker 6: you could see the eyes opening and he talking shit
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  Speaker 6: on the phone like, bitch, that's my motherfucking man. That's
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  Speaker 6: my man, okay? I feel like, and I've had.
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  Speaker 2: Several people told me that nobody liked him until I
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  Speaker 2: was saying I liked him.
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  Speaker 1: No, see- I mentioned him to you first. And you
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  Speaker 1: was like, bitch, he's my screensaver. So I didn't mention
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  Speaker 1: him to you first.
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  Speaker 2: Tammy, that's what we doing? That conversation never happened? No, Tammy.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say, I like this nigga with this big
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  Speaker 2: ass bell pepper nose. He fine as hell to me.
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  Speaker 2: And you was like, who? And I was like, Jonathan Majors.
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  Speaker 2: You like, bitch, that's my screensaver. I had to tell
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  Speaker 2: you who he was. That is a lie. I had
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  Speaker 2: to tell you who he was and what show he
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  Speaker 2: played on. I was already watching Lovecraft Country. I put
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  Speaker 2: you on the show. Yeah, but I seen Jonathan Majors
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  Speaker 2: before Lovecraft Country. Me too. Anyway, listen. Girl, that's what
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  Speaker 2: we'll fight about. I gave you Ibuka. What that nigga named?
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  Speaker 2: The basketball player? I don't want him no more. Serge Ibaka.
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  Speaker 2: I gave you him. Can I have this nigga to myself, please? No,
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  Speaker 2: you're going to have to pick another nigga. Nobody wanted
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Majors until AJ wanted him. I'm just going to
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  Speaker 2: say that. This AJ and the other AJ. Whatever. What's
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  Speaker 2: the other AJ? The other side on other days. Are
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  Speaker 2: you talking about your Gemini twin?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But the way black men are on social media trying
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  Speaker 2: to drag my boy as if he's a face of
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  Speaker 2: male emasculation. It's so weird to me. Just say that
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  Speaker 2: nigga fine. Let's get over it. Like y'all know he
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  Speaker 2: look good and women are liking him and y'all finding
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  Speaker 2: a reason to not like him.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: He did a couple of photo shoots, but what about
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  Speaker 2: the extra super duper masculine men that are, you know,
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  Speaker 2: razzling and dazzling, you know, on a weekend occasionally?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But you would never know. Like, yeah, just because he's
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  Speaker 2: taking a photo, then there's a new one now. Him
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  Speaker 2: and Michael B. Jordan showing some brotherly love. It's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: But it was like very, you know, I don't, those
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  Speaker 1: pictures look like vulnerable in a way that black men
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  Speaker 1: don't get to be with each other.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what made them uncomfortable. And I
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  Speaker 2: feel like that's what they're doing and trolling at the
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  Speaker 2: same time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like, why do we put so much, so y'all want
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  Speaker 2: to look a certain way, but live in an alternate lifestyle. Now,
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  Speaker 2: these men can be very manly. And still loving on
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  Speaker 2: each other. And only like women. Yeah, I agree. While
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  Speaker 2: y'all like no homo, but you be low-key homo. Doing
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  Speaker 2: a thing. So I don't understand. I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: I need men to love.
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  Speaker 1: I just need all of y'all to love each other
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  Speaker 1: and start hugging each other and being nice to each other.
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  Speaker 2: There's this skit on Terrence Nash. He did Random Acts
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  Speaker 2: of Flyness. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And there's this one skit where it's just black men
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  Speaker 1: just walking by, showing.
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  Speaker 2: Each other love. I love that. It's so good.
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  Speaker 1: It's such a nice skit, but it is awkward to
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  Speaker 1: see because you're not used to just A nigga on
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  Speaker 1: the street.
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  Speaker 2: Saying, I love you, man. You smell good, my guy.
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  Speaker 1: Like, just talking nice to each other and hugging. And
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  Speaker 1: then all of them go into a group hug in
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  Speaker 1: the end. And it was so good, but it wasn't gay,
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like, niggas would be like, pause, they wildin'. No, it's
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  Speaker 2: just love. Right. And we need to show it to
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  Speaker 2: each other. Yeah, like, why can't... Why can't a man, like,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: I could say, girl, you look good as fuck today.
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  Speaker 2: That ass is fucking assing. Or whatever. We can do that.
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  Speaker 2: But men, of course a man isn't going to say that.
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  Speaker 2: That dick is dicking. Boy, I see you in them
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  Speaker 2: gray sweatpants, my boy. Your dick is poking today, brother.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: You going to get the bitches. Of course they can't
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: do that. But you can say, man, you look good.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: But usually the men be like, I see you. Nigga,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: I see you. That's a compliment.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Saying you look good is kind of wild, but like,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: I guess it's how you say it.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Like, you fresh as fuck today, my boy. I think
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: older men, they cross their legs. Because that's one of
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: the images that came out with Jonathan Majors. Like, hey,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: he had this, like, Fur coat. Little fluffy little fur coat.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: No shirt on. Jeans. Cowboy boots. And he had his
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: legs crossed. I liked his expression. Me too. I did.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: And if you look at his pictures, that's how his
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: mouth is. He got full lips.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Full nose. And brown skin. Just a black man.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Woo!
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: That nigga is how I know God is real.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Not saying man is God, because you know women are God.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I let his nose go all the way across his face. Yes. Yes,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: spread that nose for me, baby, because it look good.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: His back. God is real.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Ooh, I love a black man back. He's good in
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: everything that he's played in. Yes, he's awesome.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: You know, there's another one that he has that very
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: manly presence.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: He played in... The Harder They Fall? No, that's Darjeeling. Oh,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: who are you talking about? I'm talking about... He played in... Oh,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: another character? Yeah, a different guy. Denzel, The Great Debaters.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know. He got another wide nose across his face.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: You never seen that? Another wide nose across his face.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I like that. I got to find out what his
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: name is. I'll bring it up to y'all in a minute.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: We want all the civil rights face niggas.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Pull up on me. We love y'all. Just remind me
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: of Martin Luther King. I just know shit ain't going
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: to go down around you.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: That's what I like. He looks like a man, man.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Who just had a baby Kiki named her son a
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: civil rights name?
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: He is going to be a leader. His name is Leotis.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I told y'all Kiki was pregnant. Yeah, you did.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: That little, her face was actually cute. Leotis, that's definitely
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: a civil rights, like, he going.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: To be a leader.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Is it Leotis? Leotis.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Congratulations, Kiki. Congratulations, Kiki.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: All right, so that's it for our stupid internet news.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: We're going to be right back. All right, y'all, so
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: we back. And we want to talk plants today. So
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: with the rising cost of eggs and the supposed food shortages,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: y'all hoes better learn how to make some shit grow
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: other than dick. Okay? So we talking horticulture, food culture,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: wet cola, bee talking. Oh, we talk back today.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Hey.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Hey, girl.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey. Thank you for joining us.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. This is very exciting. We
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: are doing a podcast.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to be here. A little backstory, guys. So
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: we were in Memphis for St. Jude's, right?
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: And we met Cola getting lunch. She was late and
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: we was late. So we were eating late and we
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: got to talking and she let us know.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: That you do Black in the Garden.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Black in the Garden podcast.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: And AJ and her got to talking about their plant
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: life because they are into that way more than I am.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: Like I suck at keeping anything alive.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: So, all right. Yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Talk to us about how you got started though. Sure.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: So how I got started, well, I was born black.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: So that's the first part of it, black in the garden,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: you know? And then I feel like I've always, as
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: far as I can remember, had an appreciation for nature
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: and just, you know, being outside, stuff like that. But
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I wasn't really raised in a garden. I just like
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: being outside. But as I got into adulthood and I
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: was trying to figure out, how do I be a
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: good citizen? Should I be... consuming as much artificial ingredients. And,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: you know, I had just had a baby. I had
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: like a natural birth. with my 10-year-old daughter. And so
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: that was awesome. But I was just leaning into more
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: and more ways to get more natural with my lifestyle.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Like I went natural many years before, like pretty much
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: started in college, like most of us do. And in
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: doing that, I remember getting convicted. I was like, yo, why?
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: What would it look like if I'm as hyperlocal as
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: possible with the way that I consume my food? So
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: that led me to say, maybe I'll try growing growing
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: some food, let's see how that goes. But I went
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: about it intuitively rather than going out and seeking some
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: actual information. You know, I didn't even consult with auntie
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Google and I suffered for that because it was pretty
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: much a flop. Like I remember it was some cucumbers
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: or something and I was like, boom, got the seeds back.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna sprinkle them out here in the grass.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I was renting a house at the time and well,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I cleared up some dirt and I said, okay, I
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: can do this, boom. sprinkled the seeds watered it walked
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: away for I don't know a week or two and
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: I just came back to like nothing like damn I
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: fucked it up but it turns out that that was
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: a lesson and so going from that that like you
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: said when you when you fail we were talking about
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: this earlier when you fail then it kind of sets
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: you back you feel like maybe I'm not good at
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: this maybe I shouldn't do this But I just went
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: to the store and I went to Walmart or whatever
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: clearance section because I really didn't have much money. And
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: we can touch on this later. But gardening is a
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: hobby or habit, depending on how bad you got it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: It can be expensive. I didn't really have it like that.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I just had maybe 10, $ 20 for the week to
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: put into that thing. So I went to the clearance,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: got me some little clearance plants, saw what I could
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: do with that. And accidentally I ended up doing what
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I didn't know at the time, the term is propagating.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: A piece of a plant fell on the ground in
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: the mud. And then I noticed that some roots had taken,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: you know, it started to like regrow into another plant.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I was like, what's that? Am I a gardener now?
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: And it turns out I was. And then I started
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: getting houseplants and that, anybody who can relate, especially from
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: what I call the plant-demic, when everybody was getting plants
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: when we were stuck in the house, anybody who did
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that can relate to how I found myself having, I
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: don't know, one or two houseplants, looked around a few
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: weeks later, house full of plants. Like, yo, okay, well,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: this is nice. It's a jungle now. But that was,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: it was the house plants that really helped me to like,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: feel like, okay, you can do this because I'm watching
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: them grow. But I got a bunch of them because
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: as I'm looking, I started collecting them quickly because I
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: wanted to engage with the plants, but they just really
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: sit still most of the time. So I'm like, it's
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: not going on. Which house plants did you get? Because
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: I bought a money plant.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. And then that bitch died immediately. And then I
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: also didn't get the PPP.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Right after that. What?
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: My plant died, and then the PPP was like, nah.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: And I think those two was correlated.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: You think there was a connection there?
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: So which plants did you get?
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I don't specifically remember. Okay. So I know the first
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: plant that I remember bringing into the house because it
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: was around the time where I had just moved into
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: another location and it was the proper name for the
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: plant is Aglaonema. Aglaonema. But it's the plant that you
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: see in the mall all the time. It's like a
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Chinese evergreen is the common name for it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: And so I remember getting that. It was big and
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: it was bushy. I really liked it. And I don't
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: remember killing it, but I killed a lot of plants. That's...
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I feel like any... gardener who is proud of the
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: fact that they never killed a plant that it's all
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: cap they're lying they're lying you've got to kill plants
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: in order for you to learn yeah you've got to
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: learn the.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Shit said give it two ice cubes a week that's
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: what i did the.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Ice cubes that's my plan i'm totally different it's like
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: water every six weeks every three weeks uh six ounces
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: of water is what it was But what are you
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: talking about? It's the money plant. I got mine and
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: it's still alive like.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: A year later. I can't say that I really.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: My shit died within like 30 days.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: It was over.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: It might have been about six months.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Y'all forgive me because I refer to plants like they're
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: people sometimes, but.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know her like I ain't never had no
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: money tree.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Money tree. Yeah. I haven't had a money tree.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: That is like the, the bridge is kind of like
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: braid itself.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I know which way you're talking about. Like when I
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: tell you, I was crazy about the houseplants. I started
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: getting into, as I wanted to learn how to identify them.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: I was living in Florida at the time and I
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: wasn't really sure what it was. I just knew what
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I was drawn to. I like the plants with big leaves,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: you know? um that big leaf energy it's it's exciting
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: to me it gives the home a jungle type of
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: feel and so the money plant because it's got those
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: little bitch-ass leaves i'm like oh not so much.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: So you said big leaf energy is there a plant
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: i can get yes to have big dick energy in
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: my house see now see is there like that's not
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: where she's gonna go Is there a plant like that
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: like builds testosterone and all that kind of like you
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: just inhale in like pheromones and shit.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Running around the house? I feel like most plants in general,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: just because of the fact that they help to increase
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: the oxygen levels in the house, that can naturally help
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: with the erections at the very least. If that's what
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: your concern is.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: And boost the endorphins.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the endorphins, you know, um, Make you happy. It
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: could give you kind of like an Adam and Eve
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, like a role-playing kind of
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: vibe because you kind of pretending like you in the jungle.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Bust out the loincloths.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying? Okay, I see where you're
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: going with that. Okay.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: You need a lot of plants for that. Like, I
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: couldn't just get one snake plant and then be Adam
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and Eve. You could finesse it. I'd say maybe about
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: at least four or five. You know, you want to
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: kind of put them around the bed or.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Something like that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: They're expensive, though.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: They can get expensive. You just got to know where
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: to go. I'll tell you about my plug. Okay.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Because like one plant I found was like $ 90, $ 100
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: for like one.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: The larger plants.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a larger plant. Yeah.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: So that's just, you know, I call it a beginner tip.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: If you're looking for a plant that is a bit
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: more affordable. And like I said, I was broke when
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I got started. So... I was looking for the cheap plants.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: First and foremost, go to the clearance. If you feel
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: like you might have the ability to rehabilitate one that,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: you know, look a little sad, then that's for you.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: But the smaller plants are less expensive, as you can imagine,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: because they've invested less time in growing it. But you
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: got a big old, you know, seven foot money tree,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: like a fully mature one. then yeah, it's going to
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: cost a little bit more. But I'll also be fully
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: transparent because I don't think I really shared this on
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Black in the Garden podcast. But when I first got started,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I operated kind of like a booster program. For my
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: own interest.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you how. Let me tell
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: you something. When you said you got convicted, I thought
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: you was going to tell us you weren't convicted.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: No, not yet. Not yet. Because you told us you
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: were popping pieces of plants.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Maybe. Allegedly.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's my business. My mom would be doing
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: that shit. If it's on the floor.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: You know, that's the controversy that is in the community.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: My soil cousins is what I call my fellow plant enthusiasts.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: But no, for real, like when I used to have,
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I'd be like, I only got $ 30
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: this week, but I want that one. And that bitch
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: is $ 25. So here's what we're going to do. Big
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: old plant. It's got a lot of stems and stuff
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: in it. So I would purchase. I would take it home.
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: I would take out a few little pieces and make
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: my own new little plant. And I would take her
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: back with the receipt. Okay.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like we're going to catch a charge.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: That's before I got saved. I'm going to do that. Yes.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: So look, do you think gardening is, you said it's
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: more expensive or do you think it's more expensive than
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: buying food at the grocery store?
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no. I wouldn't say that. So
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: buying food at the grocery store, I.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Mean right now.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Ooh, okay. Yeah. Put it in, put it in context.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Growing your own food, it certainly can be less expensive
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: because consider how much you would pay for the ingredients
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: for a salad, which could add up to, I don't know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: let's say... $ 30. Wow. Okay. I'll shop at Whole Foods. Okay.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Whole paycheck.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Yep. Whole paycheck. So you can spend, let's say on average,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: about $ 20 on your salad supplies, or you could spend...
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: maybe $ 6 on four packs of seeds between lettuce, maybe
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: some tomatoes, you know what I'm saying? Some cucumber. And
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: so you've spent less on that seed investment, but I'm
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: going to be real about the time investment.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, about the same. How many months I got to
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: wait for the salad?
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like you just get it right away.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: But once again, another hack, a beginner hack, or even
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: just a quick food hack. I call the microgreens the
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: fast food of... of growing food, okay? As in you
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: can grow microgreens very cheaply and quickly in about two weeks.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: What's a microgreen?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Is like the baby version of like spinach, lettuce, whatever.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: That's like when it first sprouts. Are you familiar with
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: like the plant life cycle? Everybody at least planted a
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: bean or something in third grade. Llama beans.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I remember doing llama beans in water. Exactly.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: So that first little sprout that comes up, what happens
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: with microgreens is like basically you take a handful of
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: seeds and you spread it like kind of thickly.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Across the soil surface.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: And then within about a week or two, you'll start
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: to see all these little sprouts that have come up.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: You've seen micro greens before at the store, but that's
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: the process. And it's, it's a quick turnaround. It's, it's
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: a hustle for those who are, you know, entrepreneurial enough
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: to be like, Hey, I got a little bit of
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: space because it doesn't take a lot of space. And,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: you know, you can grow them cheaply, inexpensively. And that's
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: a cool way to have a some quick vegetables, and
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: they're also pretty healthy because they are good for gut health.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Do a little research, do a little Googling, and you'll see.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: So that's my pro tip hack. Yeah, it can take
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: some time, but there's ways around that. And mushrooms, I
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: also recommend. I know they might seem like they're into mushrooms.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that. How can we grow our
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: own shrooms? I don't know the magic ones.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: But I know about the tasty ones.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: What's the difference?
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: They should grow the same way, right? They probably do,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: but I haven't researched that. Now, I have research like
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: growing marijuana.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, I was about to get into that.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, we can get into that. That's on my
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: bucket list. I have like a gardening bucket list. So
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: there's certain things like a 12 foot tall sunflower that
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I would love to be able to grow in my lifetime.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I haven't quite done that yet. But marijuana is one
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: of them.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Would the climate here be right for a sunflower to
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: grow that tall?
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: It can. Yeah, I've seen them. We're not too far
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: from Riverdale. Yeah, we're in Atlanta.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Shout out to them.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Shout out to ATL. So yeah, I've seen not too
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: far from here. I've seen sunflowers like walking down the
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: street or driving down the street over the tall fence
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: I could see them like well over the fence so
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: it's possible just you have to do it in season
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: and fun fact somewhere around north of here I believe
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: there is a sunflower field oh interesting yeah so that's
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: like something of course the sunflowers only come in at
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: a certain time of the year but um I'm thinking
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: because My term for myself as like one who appreciates
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: the business and the entrepreneurial aspects of ways to make
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: money growing plants. I think about something like a sunflower
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: field as something I would like to be able to grow.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: So I can, A, have people come through and be like, oh,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: we want to take pictures out here. You know, everybody
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: loves it. having a grabbable moment. And so these are
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: the kind of things that I think about in that sense.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: And that's something that I'm grateful to be able to
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: share with y'all on y'all platform like this, because in
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: the conversation that Black people are having about all the
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: things that we talk about, we're not talking about this enough.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of bags around horticulture and agriculture
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. That we've been.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: We feel next to that sunflower field.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: We feel next to the sunflower field. You know what
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I'm saying? And then the other part with the sunflower field,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: after you're done taking the pictures and everybody's come through
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: and had their moment, we cut the sunflowers down and
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: we can sell them those.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Just like that.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? And we're making money out here.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: People pay good money for sick sunflowers. You see them
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: at the store. You see them at Trader Joe's and them.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: So let me ask you this.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: I saw that on your Instagram page, you had a
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: connection with blackness in gardening. And you had some pictures
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: of some people from the early 1900s and things like that.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Can you talk to us about that?
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. So that is my Botanical Black History series. And
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: that series, it started with... Um, my first year with
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: black in the garden was 2019 in November is when
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: I started. And so by February of 2020, I was
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: just like, cool. First black history month doing this very black.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Horticultural show. So where's the black history in relation to
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: people that have been, you know, really dope at growing
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: plants or just anything related to horticulture or agriculture. Of course,
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: the first one to come to mind for most of
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: us is George Washington Carver. I call him the goat. Yes,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: the goat of botany because he truly is. But there
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: was two things that happened. One, I learned so much
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: more about George Washington Carver in the process of researching
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: for that series. Stuff that I didn't know, stuff that
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: I had to share because I'm like, we don't know
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: enough about him. He was an artist. He was actually,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: in his later days, friends with Henry Ford. Henry Ford, like...
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: foreign car, built an elevator in his house because he
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: was sick and he was in a wheelchair and he
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: couldn't move around like he needed to. They were friends
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: like that. And the other things that I was learning
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: about just botanical Black history in general was like, wow,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: it was so deep with me wanting to get that
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: information and not being able to find it on Google.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: I had to go to the library. That's how deep
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: it was. And I was just like, wow, there's not
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: enough of this part of our history that's being shared,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: but there's, there's so much to explore and I'm still,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: still figuring it out. Yeah.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Cause I think that goes into like land ownership, which
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: we're losing.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: So we don't even have this space to grow. I
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: found this article online.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: It's a brief history of America's black farmers from the
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: past and present. So it says in 2021, 24% of
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: black individuals experienced food insecurity, which was more than three
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: times the rate of white households. The black community consistently
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: faces high rates of hunger due to social, economic, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: environmental challenges. So to address the high rates, a lot
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: of people are now like getting into growing their own food.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Because once you get that stuff going, you can feed
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: your community.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: But that's something that just wasn't passed down, you know,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: from generations, how to grow food, how to do preservatives
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: and shit like that. My grandmother used to have like
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: a cabinet full of preserves that she made. And I
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: hate that I never took.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: The time to learn how to do it. She did
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: leave behind a recipe book with all that information.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Girl, that's a bag right there. And learn how to
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about a closet you open up
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: and it would be covered with peaches and apples and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: pears and just all of that stuff.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: And it would be so syrupy sweet, though. Goodness.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Because you preserve it with the sugar. Yeah, absolutely. I mean,
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: when you consider the fact that historically we have.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Not had refrigeration for as.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: In the history of humans, we've not had refrigeration for
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: longer than we have. And we've been eating and surviving
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: and thriving, you know? And so as we figured out
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: how to make the crops last longer or last through
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: the winter, then that was a part of what we
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: had to do. But I love how you not only
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: mentioned your grandmother, but what you mentioned as well about
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: how We're not doing that on the scale that we
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: used to. It's not as important as us. What I've
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: recognized is even recently is it seems like there's a
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: lost generation. And I feel like it's kind of our generation, unfortunately.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. We got to figure out everything.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Take me out there in that field because I'm from
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: South Carolina.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: So we'd be in the country and we had us
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: picking peas and shelling peas and bugs and shit.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: And I remember he was in the garden, in the field,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: and she was picking something and something bit her on
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: her leg and she slapped it.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: And it was blood pouring from her leg. And I said, baby,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going back in the car. And I got in
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the car. The windows was up. She wouldn't let the
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: windows down for me. And I sat in that car
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and almost died.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Not trying to be out there in
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: that field. That shit different.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: You said a lot. Yeah, that was a lot. That's
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: a little girl seeing all that blood pour from her
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: leg and she just slap it like it wasn't nothing.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: But my grandmother was raised in that environment. I've seen
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: her take down a hog. Chase a hog down and
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: take it down.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I like your grandma.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I went with that shit.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: She had a dress on.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like a country ass dress, running down a hog
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: and take it down.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Cut his throat. That's so badass to me though.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: That is badass.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I used to think it was disgusting when I was
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: a kid but now as a woman I.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Wish I knew how to do that stuff. You just
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: made me think about Harriet Tubman. One of the things
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: that many people don't know about her legacy apart from
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: freedom and the Underground Railroad is that she was an herbalist.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: She was a master herbalist. She had to be to
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: the point where she would use certain herbs and tinctures
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Even and especially she had to use something to quiet
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: the babies on the Underground Railroad. Because you can imagine,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: babies start crying, we fucked up.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: So they drugging the baby. So Melatonin was the first Melatonin.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Pretty much, yes.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: The first.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Black History Facts, Harriet Tubman, the first person to give
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: a baby Melatonin. To drug the fucking baby. And here
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: we are today.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Now y'all using it so y'all can party. So your
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: baby can go to sleep.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: For freedom. Yes.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Harriet was doing it for freedom.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: That's right. That's right. Yeah.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: That makes more sense.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: That's what it's all about.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: So I'm just, I cannot say this enough. It's just
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: so exciting to be on here talking with y'all. Cause
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: I love y'all show. And so getting to talk about
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: what I talk about, just what I feel like is
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: in a vacuum sometimes, because, you know, podcasts sometimes feel
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: a little isolated.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: And to be able to share this with y'all in
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: this way, it's very fun and exciting. And it matches
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: the vibe of what I create on the Black in
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: the Garden podcast, because what I noticed before I got
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: started and I saw this is the audience is not
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: being served is I noticed that. when it comes to
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: conversations about plants and horticulture and gardening, it's real dry.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: And it's very much like the stereotypical image of gardener
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: is like old and white.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: You know, and farmers.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: And farmers. And like, I'm like, no, we, we out here.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: When I first started, that's right. When I first started gardening, outside,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: like the outdoor aspect of growing stuff. I was in Florida.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: I knew that the gardening bug had bit me, not
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: the bug that she was talking about with your grandma,
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: but like, I knew that I didn't want to do
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: anything else because I remember being out just doing some
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: like very novice kind of landscaping around the yard. But
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: as long as I was in the soil and I
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: was tending to all the plants that I had on
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: the porch and around the porch, I never wanted to
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: go in the house. I would be sweating buckets didn't
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: want to eat I didn't want to go pee I
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: did not want to leave that space it was just
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know I don't know what it was about
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: it but I knew that that was turning my life
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: around in that way because I feel like it was
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: just a few years after that when I started the podcast.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: See I would like to be like Jodi mama like in.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: My yard with like a nigga in the back like
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: doing all.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: This shit and I'm just sitting there drinking my wine
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: right but I live in the high rise So how.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Do I, how do I have like a garden on
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: my patio that a nigga could.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: At least water? What's that little setup? I've seen it.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: It's like a, like a little, not a wall, but
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: you can have like little cups.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: We got a lot of options.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Like you put cups on the.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. It's like a little... Oh, there's so
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: many options. We do have a lot of options. I myself,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I don't have a yard right now. I have a
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: balcony too. So I'm out here trying to make it
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: work just as well. And so I would say... You've
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: got to do your assessment of what's going on with
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: the light. Because if you're on the wrong side of
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: the building. I am.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: So there's not a lot of sun coming. And I'm
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: on 24. So I'm up pretty high.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: You're really up there.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really up there.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: We don't have to talk offline about that. But I
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: would be happy to give you specific tips on your situation.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: But as you can imagine, it varies from situation to situation.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Can we grow up that?
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Can we I don't see why not hydro yes now
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: weed is also or cannabis or whatever it's on my
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: bucket list of things to grow because what I understand
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: about it before having given it an earnest attempt is
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: that it's it's very it has very specific conditions right
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: it's easy to fuck it up and I don't want
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: to do that I've maybe dabbled you smoke in the
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: past I'm an enthusiast, absolutely.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Where do you even get seeds? I love plants.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Well, wherever I get mine from, ain't no seeds in it.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: You can't get seeds nowhere for your fruit, for your weed.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Disclaimer, because we got to say this, because I feel
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: like I've said enough to have somebody knocking on my
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: door later. That shit legal, man. Do it where it's legal. Wherever,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: you know, if you in a legal place, then you
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: got access to the seeds. You know what I'm saying?
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Ask around. They're not hard to find. They're seeds.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: If you give me some weed with seeds in it,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to feel like you owe me money back.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: That was how I... Well, in my experience as I've started,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: since I've started with growing and everything, if I was
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: to allegedly have got some seeds in the situation, then
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: I might have tried to sprout them and I had
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: success with that with some of them. Yeah, I encourage it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: By all means. Don't get mad.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Just.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Go plant it. Maybe it's a blessing in disguise.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: I'll be like, bro, bro, what is this? What is this,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: my boy?
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's get it right. You know, refund, exchange, whatever
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: we got to do.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: So if I go home right now and I buy
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: a plant.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: What plant do you feel like that can go in
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: my house that I could absolutely not kill?
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: The snake plant. Everybody know that.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Yes. Well, those are like the hanging ones.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: You asking me. What's that?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Like hanging, like the hanging?
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's another option. That's the, well, there's a lot
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: of plants that do that. The vining plants is what
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: we call them.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: What's the snake plant?
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: Pothos is what that is. A lot of people associate
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: that with their grandmothers or with the mall because those
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: are very popular in the mall. And when you think
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: about it, this is how I approached it. once again,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: going back to my intuitive beginnings with figuring out how
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: to take care of some houseplants. I started it with
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: houseplants in Florida, right? And so what I was doing
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: was I was observing the plants. A lot of the
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: plants that we keep in our house in Florida, they
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: just everywhere. They in people yard. And so I'm observing
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: where they're growing. Are they growing in the shade or
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: are they growing where the sun is like touching them
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: all day we call that full sun and so if
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: I noticed that a plant was thriving in full sun
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: then I would know that I could bring that in
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: my yard and I could put it in full sun
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: so when you see those plants in the mall you
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: can take that cue to know that these plants can
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: grow in the house as long as there's reasonable light
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: coming through does that make sense right that was the
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: logic that I employed to figure out okay and that's
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: so i share that with people so i can so
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: you can kind of take note and pay attention so
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: you know okay well if i see it growing like
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: this then maybe i can grow it in my house
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: does that make sense.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair i feel like i don't get a
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: lot of natural sunlight in my and you can supplement
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: you can get grow lights that's the thing it's on
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: you know i'm.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Gonna try again the website motivated.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Please do you want to try with the weed Whatever you.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Want to do.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I'm going to put it to you like this.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: You need to activate your green thumb.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I want to try to grow some shrooms, honestly.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I was watching YouTube.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: About it just recently.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Like mushrooms or shrooms?
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: Shrooms. Magic shrooms.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: I want to grow my own because I feel like
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I've tried some from other people, but I don't know that.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: What is this? For real.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Did you feel anything? I cried the last time.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Like, I had a lot of shit on my fucking mind. No,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: that one time you called me and you said you had...
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Did you remember the picture of my foot? The shoes
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: had my feet, like, stuck like this for, like, an hour. Really?
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, Lord.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: The first time I did them.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the second time... Well, I would say the
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: third time.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it made me real emotional.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I need the first one. Because I
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: was meditating, chilling. See, I tried that shit one time.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I ain't doing that no more. I had some chocolates.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had some chocolates one time, but I don't
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: feel like anything happened. I think I let them ride
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: a little too long.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: You got to add weed. No, I was listening to
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: classical music. I don't never listen to that. I was
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: listening to classical music. And I was looking at a
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: painting and I was like zooming in the painting to
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the left.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, that's an island right there.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: It was nothing.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: It was like an abstract painting, but I had decided
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: that it was an actual place.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: In another dimension.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: That's what happened. Yeah. I mean, I wish I could
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: speak from experience like y'all, but what I've heard from
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: other people's experience is that it depends on where your
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: emotional and your mindset is at the time that you
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: take them because no trip is going to be the same.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: So if you have something that you need to deal with,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: then you might not have a good trip.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: So wait, is ayahuasca another plant or is that.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Like something in me?
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: That's a cactus.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know enough about that.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: We're going to Peru.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: We're going to do that. Yeah.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: We're talking too much about drugs. Let's get back to tomatoes.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Well, let's get back to that.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Because I am not the expert on.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: All the plants. Psychedelic.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: I'm certainly not the expert on the psychedelics. So I'm
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: going to tell y'all what I know and what I
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: don't know. I will let you. I don't know that.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm doing for my hort girl summer. I'm
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: definitely doing some ayahuasca. Yes.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: This summer.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Peru.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Costa Rica someplace is going to be done.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: When you go, or actually before you go, it'll probably
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: be easier. Look into what the botanical garden scene is
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: like out there. Find a garden to go to. There's
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: really great gardens in the United States. I've been to
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: a lot of them from sea to shining sea.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Ayahuasca is illegal a lot of places.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: It's illegal? Yes. Illegal or legal?
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Illegal.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, whatever. You got to go someplace and actually do
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: it with a shaman.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: I heard that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I think someplace in California does it. I'm not sure, though.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: You said you think it's legal in California?
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: There's somewhere in California where you can go with a
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: shaman and do ayahuasca.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: What if you became a shaman? Maybe.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Look, I'd be too stressed out to help other people
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: with their shit. You might be doing it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: You never know. You got to challenge yourself.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Um but in your garden do you have vegetables or
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: is it just like pretty plants or do you have
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: like I mean on you know your patio.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Right now I just I just moved just a few
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: months ago and I had been through a transitional period
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I'm in this reconstruction phase of my life you're regrowing
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: regrow absolutely yeah because I mean life was lifing divorce
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: was happening you know my family got really shook up
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: as a result of that and I mean I know
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: on a show like this I don't have to explain
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: that like coming Getting on the other side of separation,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: which ultimately became divorce, that was very rough. That was
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: very challenging. And I pretty much had to start over.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: And starting the podcast, Black in the Garden, that was
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: a part of it. I was already interested in plants.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: And I knew that I was a good communicator and
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: I'd be good at podcasting. I was an avid podcast listener.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: And so I was like, this is the time to
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: start it. And so it, that definitely was a big
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: part of this, you know, new growth for me. So
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I'm saying all that to say that in that transitional
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: and reconstruction phase, we finally got stabilized enough to where like,
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: I had my home girl keeping my plants for the
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: last year. She just brought them back like a month ago.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: So I have the house plants that I have right now.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: All the people get, and another way to get money too.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: And beat up if you let my shit die. Oh
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: my God.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Exactly. That's so funny that y'all mentioned that because she
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: was very emphatic when she picked up the plant. She
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: was like, I can't guarantee that all of them will
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: be returned to you. And that, that did end up
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: being true, but I had to reassure her that, it's
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: okay i'm going through what i'm going through right now
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: and i care enough about these plants to have you
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: take care of them right but also what i'm dealing
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: with and and getting to the other side of it
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: is way more important than if these plants survive or
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: not okay i gotta survive i gotta take care of
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: me first right and so she did pretty well but
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: you know that that's an interesting point because like it
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: could have fucked up the friendship You know, I was
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: a little bit sad about, you know, one of the
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: plants that was my favorite. I didn't get it back.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: It didn't make it. She left it outside during the
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: frost and then it died. But, you know, that made
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: our friendship stronger.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Not your voice shaking. The fuck? I love.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Her.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: We talk relationships, so I'm about to get in your
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: business a little bit.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: So I know you said you were divorced. Do you
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: feel like pandemics? ruin your marriage? Because I feel like
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of people were like, either their marriage got
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: stronger or dissolved during the pandemic.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: No, narcissism ruined my marriage.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: OK, let's talk about it.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: I did. I did the best that I could do,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: not even saying that I was perfect. But in some
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: of the things that I can recall from my experience
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: in that marriage, first and foremost, because I had to
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: get really real with myself, especially as it ended and
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: be like, yo, why did I even do this in
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: the first place? I believe I got married when I
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: was about twenty seven. And full transparency, my thought process was, oh,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: you about to be 30 soon enough. I was a
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: single mother at the time when I got married. So
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: it was like, okay, let me get a husband. Okay.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: We got married really fast, which I did not know
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: until long after that that was a fucking red flag. Okay.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: You know, rushing into the love bombing and all that stuff.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: So yeah. Yeah, I just, I came into it and
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: I very much was like, this is what I feel
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: like I should do right now. I want to be
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: somebody's wife. I want to get chose. And that was
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: like as deep as it went. I mean, of course
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: I liked the guy, but it was more so like,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Look at me. I got chose. I'm married. I remember
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: I started this silly.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Ass Facebook group. Not a pick me.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a pick me.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, for sure.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Not no more. I have been delivered. But I started
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: a Facebook group and I was very adamant about it
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: only being married black women in the group. Like you
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: could not be in the group if you was like
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: shacking up or whatever. I was, I was silly, but
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: that's mean. I was silly. I have evolved. And like, it's,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: it's telling though, because we all know women who operate
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: in that way and that's superficial as fuck. And so
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: as you could imagine, That did not really lead to
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: there being a deep substance in the meat of the
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: core of that relationship. So, yeah, I would rather be
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: fully honest and transparent, especially about something like that that
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: I experienced. If I know that somebody could potentially hear
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: this and stop themselves and their tracks from going down
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: that path.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Would you get married again?
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Not right now. I would get married again, but it
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: would have to be like under the most positive 1000%. Absolutely.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: I know that you're not toxic. You've been therapized. You've
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: been healed. I would get married again under very specific circumstances.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: And one of those circumstances is unpopular stance, which is
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: I don't want to live with a nigga. I do not.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I always say like when I get married, I do
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: want my own room and bathrooms.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Same.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I want to be able, I know my bed and
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: my bedroom is going to be the nicest part. So
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: of course he's going to sleep in here, but I want,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I don't see how the fuck people get married in
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: a one bedroom apartment. I'm going to trip that nigga
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: up if he walked past me. For real.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: I don't want to share a kitchen. In the midst
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: of an argument. Yeah, absolutely. I just, it's, it's not
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: just the experience that I had with my marriage. It
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: was like growing up and having to clean the piss
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: around the toilet from my dad.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying like slipping and sliding and
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: like the way that my mom carried it in the
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: middle of the night the way that my mom carried
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: it was very much like okay.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: You know it's she did what she was supposed to
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: you know that dutiful you know that generation but for
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: me I was just like growing up and me having
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: to do it a lot of the times and then
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: thinking about how do I want that to look when
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I am in a marriage I was just like nah.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: What I don't understand is The dick is like a
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: straight line. Typically, it might have a little hook in it.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: But you need to know your angle. If you got
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: to turn this way to hit the toilet, why the
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: fuck is it on the floor? Sit your ass down
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: and pee.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: If you can't aim, sit down.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: It seems like something they would learn.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: It's lazy. It's just, I don't know. I don't have
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: a penis, so I can't really speak to what that
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: logic is, but Y'all could do better. Anybody with penis
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: that's listening.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: And it'd be getting sticky.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Pun intended.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: It used to make me so upset.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Piss me off. And then it would get like that
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: if you wait too long to clean it up, it
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: would get that really strong kind of ammonia kind of vibe.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: What is happening? We went from plants to piss. Wow.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: He was talking about relationships. Because we got to get
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: into the range of the experience. You know what I'm saying?
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: The plants are doing what they're doing, but life is
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: what's happening while the plants are growing. So that's how
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: I kind of segue into these broader conversations.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: It's all connected. It's all connected.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I saw recently a post on Instagram and it was
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: saying there's a sixth love language that people don't talk about,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: which is chaos.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Like a lot of people. Exactly.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: So, you know, I know a lot about that.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: So when I when I heard that, I'm like, man,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of people out here don't feel love unless
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: you cussing the ass out. So they get you up here.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: And that's the narc. That's the narcissist.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: That's exactly that. That is what I was referring to.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: And I was like, it was a lot because. I
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: just realized it. You know how it is. Hindsight is
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: the clearest view. And in looking back over some of
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: the experiences that I had, and I remember sharing an
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: experience about, there was a lot of instability. And that
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: was another thing that was very frustrating for me, especially
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: after I started getting really into plants. We moved a lot.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of instability, like financially. And so
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I just want to have a garden. Mm-hmm. you gotta
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: be stable for that shit. Like you literally, when they
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: say settle down, put down some roots, I'm literally like
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: trying to put these roots down and we're moving so much.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: And I'm just like, yo, what the fuck? And then
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I remember sharing it with someone, a woman who I
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: didn't even know her that well, but I shared one
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: example of, of how we were in a really good
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: position and I was making good money and he had
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: just started a job and then somehow like it just
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: happened so fast where he ended up being unemployed again.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: And it seemed like it was intentional. And so the
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: person I was talking to, she was like, they were
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: pulling the rug from under themselves because for that love
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: language of chaos, just speaking to that, she was saying
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: that Some people, they don't feel comfortable when things are
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: going well. They need to sabotage it so that they
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: know where the swerve is going to be rather than
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: anticipating that they're going to get busted in the face
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: by life. And that's such a scarcity. The mindset there
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: is like, oh my goodness. But yeah, it wasn't fun.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: So on the other side of it, you know how
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: they say, do bad by yourself.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: And that reconstruction that I was indicating, that was me
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: doing bad by myself. But I enjoyed it because I
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: was just like, I ain't nobody to blame but me.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: And I get to have full autonomy and I get
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: to be the captain and the navigator of this ship.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: And I got it right. You know, Black in the
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Garden was happening the whole time. Although whatever might have
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: been happening for me personally, I'm extremely resilient. you know,
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: just like these plants out here. Well, not your plants,
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: because they're struggling. But yeah, and just being as resilient
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: as I know that I am, I was just like,
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: I can get through this. And the podcast is just steadily,
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: there's always been opportunities coming from it to the point
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: where now I'm full-time at it and it sustains me
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: and my kids.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: How many kids you got?
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: That's great. Yeah, I have three kids. Oh, okay.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: So let's talk this coloring book, because I saw that
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: you sold a lot.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was supposed to get one in Memphis, too.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: I got you.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: They're right here.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: We got them. Okay. Yes.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: So what made you decide, hey, I'm going to create
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: a coloring book, and I'm going to sell it?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: Yes. I love that question so much, because there's a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: lot of parts to that. So it's the Black in
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: the Garden coloring experience, right? And it's the experience. It
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: is a book, obviously. But I call it the experience because...
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Every page that features a person, an illustration of a
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: person that you can color is a guest that has
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: been on the show. So early in the podcast, as
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: things were coming together, like I just mentioned, like things
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: were going well with that. It's like every... corner that
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: I turned, somebody was there to like help me move
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: it forward. And one of those people was Paula Champagne,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: who is the illustrator that has that branded Black in
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: the Garden as you see it. And, you know, like
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: that really cute illustration of the podcast logo. And she
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: illustrated my guests for like two years, every guest that
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: I had on the show. was a cute little illustration
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: of the podcast cover. And so you'd look on my Instagram,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: you can see all those pictures and I just did
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: these Valentine Grimm's featuring those illustrations. But I was looking
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: at them and I was like, oh, maybe we do
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: a calendar with these. Because, you know, podcasting, we try
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: to make money. We need some merch, okay? And yeah,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: we did t-shirts. Yeah, we did stickers or whatever. But
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: I'm a think out of the box kind of girl.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: So I was like, hmm. And I'm also very much
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: like a marketing nerd. So I'm thinking of like, how
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: do we... get more visibility and brand recognition from this.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: And when I realized, okay, what if you just convert
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: the illustrations into coloring pages? Then I knew that I
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: had to do that. And that was also low-key inspired
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: by the podcast that my kids listen to, because my
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: kids listen to podcasts as well. They listen to this
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: show called Circle Round. And I'll admit, sometimes I'm a
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: lazy mom. I don't read them a bedtime story, but
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: I'll be like, y'all lay down and y'all listen to
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: y'all podcast. Okay.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: And take this melatonin.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Face abs.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: That was her. I mean, that's what she do with
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: her children.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Get your Harriet Tubman snack. Lord, not the Harriet Tubman snack.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: I would listen to... I listen to it with them.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: Sometimes we listen to it when we're taking a road
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: trip or something like that. And I noticed that they
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: mentioned that they had coloring pages for some of the
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: stories because it's like fairy tales. And so I was
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: just like, oh, that seat was planted like probably years
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: before I even thought of the coloring experience. But yeah,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: it's called the coloring experience because everybody that is in
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: there has been a guest. So I was like, yo.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: what it looked like when you got the coloring book
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: and you coloring the person while you listening to them talk.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: That's an experience. And so that's the marketing aspect of
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: it and the listener engagement aspect of it where it's like,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: I want to bring y'all all the way into this
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: world with me, Soil Cousins. But Also, there's the representation aspect.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: It is an adult coloring book, but coloring books by
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: default are very appealing to children. And so the other
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: thing I know about children, especially black children, as I
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: recall what it was like for me when I think about, damn,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: what would it have looked like if it was somebody
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: like me? Somebody like, you know, cute and fun and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: charismatic like me that came into my classroom or my
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  Speaker 3: after school program or whatever, telling me how cool it
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  Speaker 3: would be to do this plant stuff. So I think
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: about it like that. And I think about how that
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: equates to children not seeing themselves in this. and I'm
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: like yo I know a coloring book is not going
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: to change the world it's not going to necessarily make
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  Speaker 3: the child that is coloring in it want to be
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  Speaker 3: a botanist or whatever but at least they will see
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: oh this is this is black people with plants there's
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: this lady on the cover like hugging a bird you
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: know so that's that's another part of it too is
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: I want the kids to get inspired to get into
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: um at least plants, but absolutely a plant career field
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  Speaker 3: because it's dominated by white people and it's a lot
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: of money in it. And that's good for our economic development,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: of course, but there's so many benefits to being, you know,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: involved with plants and nature because, you know, wellness and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: peace and all of that good stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of the kids, like one of the things, like
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  Speaker 2: one of my goals in life, I would like to
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: build a, like a school, right? Because most schools, hospitals, prisons,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: they look alike. So what if you had a dome-like school, open,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: kids inside, it can actually grow.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. With light.
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  Speaker 2: I think Kanye just did that in LA. He don't have,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: in a dome?
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  Speaker 3: He ain't do that.
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  Speaker 2: And they had them all in black and shit. No,
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  Speaker 2: that's not the same thing. Them niggas was not in
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: the dome.
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  Speaker 3: They wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: No. What's called your school?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: Donda.
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  Speaker 2: No, this ain't Donda's school.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: No, he didn't do no Donda.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, because by the time kids get out of school,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: you're missing sunlight.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? So you're not.
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  Speaker 2: Getting the shit you need to actually grow properly like
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: human beings.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: So why not have the kids in like a Just
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: sunlight coming in.
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  Speaker 3: Plants in there, the kids.
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  Speaker 2: I want that.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: I love that. I mean, shout out to you for
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: thinking in that way. I call it visionary thinking.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, my Kanye shit. Come on now. A little culty.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: A little culty. I think about the job.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Kanye was teaching real shit at his school. It was
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: not culty.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: It closed down?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Is it not open anymore? I don't think so.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: Maybe because there's lots of funding.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: They had one year of school?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: With the money. But was there anything related to gardening
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: in that school? Possibly. I don't know really anything about
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: the school. I just heard that it may have closed.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: We do a segment called Dumb Bitch Story. You done
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: heard the show, so I think you've heard it.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: We need you to share. Come on, girl. Tell us
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: a story.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: Dumb Bitch Story.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Dumb Bitch Story. You are so dumb. Because we've all
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: been a dumb bitch at least once or twice. Wow.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: And I knew this moment was coming.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: You're dating right now?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not dating right now. I tried to dip my
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: toe in, but I was very unimpressed and I just
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: took it right back out. I was just like, what
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: is this? I don't know y'all. And it has everything
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: to do with the fact that I've fully gotten into
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: this era of my life where I'm an entrepreneur. And
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: I had to, back in 2020, when I was just
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: starting to feel that way and I was trying to
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: figure out like what, you know, just talking to people
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: and recognizing that there was a big disconnect and it
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: was between anybody I tried to talk to And I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Googled it and I was like, how do you date
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: as an entrepreneur? And that helped a lot because it
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: was indicating there is a different way of operating. The
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: person that you're trying to build with, they have to
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: understand the way that that lifestyle works because it's a
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: way of life. And so I was just like, nah,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: I can't fool with y'all. Y'all are silly. And the
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: odds didn't feel like they was in my favor. So no,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: I'm not interested in dating. And I feel like The
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: taste for....
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Dick?
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Dick. Not dick so much. Well, maybe.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Sometimes. A lot of times, actually. It's an acquired taste.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: The taste for wanting to have a man all the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: time has been really taken out of my mouth. And
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: I'm very much focused on building the business, scaling the business.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get there. Because that's really important to me.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: And I.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: Any time I've just tried to, you know, let me
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: see what you're talking about, boy. They don't be talking
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: about nothing.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: You try to run away from the dumb bitch story.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Don't do that.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not running away from the dumb bitch story.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: Y'all help me go on a tangent. Y'all went with me. Okay,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: so what's the dumb bitch story? Help me narrow it down.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: I have a lot.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God, I have so many.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: The time that you felt most played, like, I cannot
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: believe this man just did that to me.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: All right, let's get into it.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, that I allowed this man to do this to me.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: Let's get into it. I've never said this on a recording.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: I got ghosted one time, okay? I mentioned to y'all
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: before we got started, in my past life, I was
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: a trucker. And I initially began trucking when I was
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: very young and hot at the age of 21, okay? Okay.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: thotting out in these streets.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: So you was a trucker, you saying like you was
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: driving an 18 wheeler?
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: I was driving an 18 wheeler. That was my first
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: foray into like a professional grown up job. OK, a
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: whole way of life once again. And I remember there
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: was someone who I was like my situationship. they was
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: top notch it was so good and so we would
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: we was both trucking and so.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: We were starting to trucking so we would find each other.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Yes all those things we were not you a driving
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: lot lizard what.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: You know about lot lizard oh my god that I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: got a story I want to start a podcast on
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: that that's another story for another time that's going to
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: be a.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: Good one But I remember me and him, we would
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: keep in contact with each other regularly enough so that
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: we knew where we was going to be at. Because
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: you got to coordinate. You can't not just pull it
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: up at the house. It's like, oh, you finna be
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: in Charlotte? Okay, boom. I'll be there tomorrow. You still
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: gonna be there. We'll meet somewhere along the way.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Y'all was fucking in the truck?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Yes. We fucked in like at least six different states.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: It was never bad. But I remember it was his birthday.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: He had like three baby mamas, by the way. I
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: remember his birthday was coming up. I was in Texas.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: He lived in Memphis. And I remember driving up from
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: like Dallas to Memphis, like nonstop. Like just, I stopped
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: maybe once to get fuel and to pee, but I
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: knew that it was his birthday. I was pulling up
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: and we was going to do what we do. I
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: got there. I let him know I was there. I
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: hear from him. I was ghosting.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Damn, and you drove with a diaper on. I didn't
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: say that.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: I was so.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: But the dumb bitch part about it was... Um, so
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: that happened. I remember like, I really did cry that night,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: you know, come back.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Did you have a load going there at least?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Did I have a load going there? Did you have
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: a load coming back? I feel like I did have
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: a load going there. Cause that was the only way
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: I could justify making that long of a trip like that.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: Okay. So it, it worked out, you know, um, I
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: otherwise would not have driven that far in that short
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: amount of time. It wasn't necessary. I had more time
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: to get it delivered. But the dumb bitch part was
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: after that, like, I was young, you know, I was
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: still figuring shit out, but I remember like driving and
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: just continuing with the job, but I was like really hurt.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: And every truck that passed, I'm looking like, is that
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: this thing? You know, like, cause I knew what his
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: truck looked like. And I'm just looking in every truck,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: every truck for months. I don't remember how long this went,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: but then we pulled up, I pulled up one day.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: I remember I had what we call a reefer, a
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: refrigerated truck. And so I remember I was somewhere in Tennessee.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: I pulled up to a yogurt factory to get a
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: load of yogurt. And I remember going in, talking to
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: whoever I talked to, getting the papers, getting ready to
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: go get loaded. I look up and there he go.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: And I was just like, okay, we find each other again.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: We fucked that night.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: You fucked him again?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: Yes. That was the bitch part because I had no business.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: What did he say? Why he went missing?
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: He really didn't have to say much of anything.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: She was just happy to see him again.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: I was just happy to see him. I was like,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: so of course, naturally the first question, where he was at,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: what happened? Oh yeah, so like my daughter had dropped
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: the phone in the toilet or whatever and then I
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: lost all my contacts. That's what I remember him saying.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: And I also remember, and this is just adding layers
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: to the dumb bitchness of it all, is I remember...
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: It's an illness. It's a sickness. I remember he kind
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: of smirked and I was just like, something registered in
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: my mind like, damn, you really think I'm stupid. You
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? Because the thing is, if for
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: any dumb bitch story that I have, it was always,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: I knew what I was doing. I knew I was
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: being dumb. Like I knew that you should not operate
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: like this, but still I proceeded. So.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: Well, you ain't the only one and you ain't the
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: first or the last. That's it. On the truck now.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: On the truck. I ain't fucking trucking. Well, I mean,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: you was driving the truck, so you was getting paid.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: At least you got paid.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, period. So there was, you know, there's a bed
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: for those that are not familiar with how that works. Sure,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: you could always go get a hotel. But I stayed
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: in the truck. You know, I'm saving my money. I'm
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: not out here to spend all my money while I'm
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: on the road. That stuff adds up. So, yeah, there's
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: a bunk and there's two beds in there. So, yeah,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: we was getting it in. It was a great time.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: So the next time you fucked him, that was the
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: last time?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: It might have been one more time after that.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like she kept fucking his ass for another year.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: She still fucking him. No, no, no.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: I don't even know where he at. I kind of
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: wish I knew, though. I don't.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: They have Facebook. Everybody on there.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: I feel like the last time I saw him was
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: like 2008. I don't know, five or something.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Tell everybody where they can find you, where they can
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: find your coloring book. Tell us, drop everything that you're doing.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: I'm right here. No, you can find me. Go to blkinthegarden.com.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: That is BLK because something happened with the other domain.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: Don't fault me for that. But that is my website
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: and that will link you to all the socials and stuff.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: But the main social media platform that I use is Instagram. Instagram.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: And you can find me there with my handle, Black
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: in the Garden. And yeah, I do the Twitter and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: all that other kind of stuff. I'm scared of TikTok, y'all,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: but I'll figure that out. It's so intimidating, but it's
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: also so fun. But yeah, you can find me there. And,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: you know, I've guested on a bunch of other shows
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: and all that other good stuff. But if you want
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: to support me, absolutely, by all means, get the Black
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: in the Garden coloring experience and whatever else I have
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: to offer. on the website because I gotta feed these kids.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: I need to get me some more plants and I
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: need to get a house so I can have me
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: a whole yard and you know, I can bring you
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: over there and get your Jodi experience. Harm wrestle or whatever. Yeah.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: We deserve this.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: We're going to weed at your house.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. We'll see.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to grow weed at your house, girl.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: See?
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: It's just like it's both of ours. We just smoking.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: Allegedly.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Allegedly.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us. I appreciate y'all. Yeah.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Carla. That was so dope.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I done dropped this shit off.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: All right, y'all.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: Listen.
• 1:15:27
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• 1:15:30
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