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When Abusers Hide Behind Religion: Speaking Truth to Power (Ep 278) · Voices for Voices®

• 0:02
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
• 0:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm your host.
• 0:09
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Founder of Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes.
• 0:13
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much for joining us on this episode of the show.
• 0:18
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's amazing where we're at as an organization, as a show, the numbers that we are starting to now draw.
• 0:34
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's just truly incredible.
• 0:38
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We only have you to thank our loyal viewers, listeners, giving us those big thumbs up, those shares, those likes, those subscribes, those comments.
• 0:55
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's because of you that we're here, that we're here.
• 1:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're really going to hit 300 total episodes in and out of the studio combined here, and that's going to happen sooner rather than later.
• 1:18
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's going to happen well before the end of calendar year 2025.
• 1:28
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's just incredible.
• 1:34
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We are just at a speed of researching, synthesizing and sharing information, data, event, stories, and they all come back to being facts, and facts that we believe in good faith are just that.
• 2:09
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We are, today and every day, grateful for the United States Constitution, for ourselves, that are US citizens here in the United States just as well, as if you are tuning in from somewhere other than the United States.
• 2:35
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There are protections and liberties that are afforded to you and your native and home country, home territory.
• 2:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so with us, with the US Constitution, with, especially, that First Amendment, the free speech, especially that First Amendment, the free speech, the right to free speech, being able to talk freely about some of the hardest topics to talk about, to hear about, to hear individual stories and experiences, as difficult as that is that may be, we wouldn't be able to do that without the First Amendment.
• 3:39
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We would not be able to share some of the content because there could be interpretations that individuals, individuals may make.
• 4:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: But that's not the case because we do have the US Constitution, we do have the First Amendment.
• 4:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So I digress from where we're not to where we are.
• 4:21
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so we're at a place where we do have the US Constitution.
• 4:28
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Some individuals like to not use it, not abide by it.
• 4:35
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're not one of those people, not one of those organizations.
• 4:41
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We believe in free speech.
• 4:48
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: People that don't like us, that don't like the content we produce the stories, as I've said before, I'll say it again and I'll say it again if you don't like the content, if you don't like what's being shared, then change the channel.
• 5:07
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Find somewhere else to spend your time.
• 5:11
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Why are you spending your time here?
• 5:13
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's the last thing I would do is to spend my time the limited amount of time that we all have on this earth watching or listening to content that I don't agree with, for whatever reason.
• 5:38
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So I invite anybody.
• 5:42
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I would rather have people that are truly for the cause, for the movement, the voices for voices, and have a very small amount of followers any day of the week, any time of day, any time of year.
• 6:30
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Numbers that include people that just want to be a hater on Voices for Voices.
• 6:36
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So, again, turn the page, change the channel.
• 6:40
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There's a lot of shows out there, a lot of shows, a lot of different viewpoints.
• 6:45
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So I invite you, if that's you, just do us all a favor.
• 6:53
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Spend your time more wisely.
• 6:55
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Stop watching us, stop listening to us.
• 6:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Your body will probably be a lot less stressed because of this.
• 7:12
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Because I don't want inflated numbers, I don't want people watching and listening that have these I don't even know the right term but they're just not interested in the true voices for voices, and who we are and where we've come from and where we're at now, and where we are and where we've come from and where we're at now and where we're going.
• 7:47
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so, again, I invite you to turn the page, change channel, change shows.
• 7:57
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Don't include voices for voices in your media organization consumption.
• 8:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That would really help both of us out, because we do.
• 8:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We've been made aware of quite a few individuals that are falling into that bucket.
• 8:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm still going to invite you now, invite you down the road, as I have in the past.
• 8:39
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: If the content bothers you so much, turn the channel.
• 8:49
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't want you here.
• 8:50
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't want people here that are just gonna hate and they're not gonna like things.
• 8:57
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: They're not gonna like facts when they're shown to them.
• 9:02
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: When it can be, it mostly is they're not going to like facts when they're shown to them.
• 9:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: When it can be, it mostly is your own words or your own social media posts or your own interviews, where you again we're talking about individuals that I don't know.
• 9:30
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: They're not individuals that any of us should want to strive to be.
• 9:35
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We shouldn't.
• 9:45
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We strive to be good people, honorable people, honest people, truthful people, care for our fellow human beings.
• 10:00
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's where we're coming from.
• 10:04
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That voice is for voices, human being.
• 10:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's where we're coming from at Voices for Voices, and so we share, we expose information.
• 10:15
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Of course, there are going to be people that don't like it, but I didn't type it, I didn't take the photo, I didn't post it.
• 10:26
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I didn't take the photo, I didn't post it.
• 10:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I didn't sit for the interview, I didn't have what's called implied consent or I could have ended something, and yet I continued to talk.
• 10:43
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's not on Voices for Voices, that's not on Justin, on A's, that's not on anybody.
• 10:50
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's on you, brothers and sisters out there.
• 10:54
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So again, if you don't like that, change the channel and maybe look at your own behavior and maybe look at modifying that.
• 11:12
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's probably going to do you the best in the long run, because love us, hate us, whatever terms you want to use.
• 11:30
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's who we are and we're advocates and we talk, we share, we make people aware.
• 11:44
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's what an advocate does, any advocate, any kind of advocate.
• 11:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're trying to help people.
• 12:00
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're not trying to help people, we're not trying to hurt people.
• 12:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: For people who have been through just some very, very, very, not good conditions, not good experiences, you're darn right, we're going to share those.
• 12:22
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You're darn right, we're going to share those.
• 12:25
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You're darn right, we're going to share experiences with people Because they're going to continue to be a light, and light for others, to step forward, to say to the others who may be very in a similar position, maybe don't want to talk about things or don't want to step out of the shadows.
• 12:55
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: By individuals stepping forward and stepping out of the shadows and sharing, they're going to help at least one person.
• 13:07
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And by helping one person, regardless of how we do it, whether it's me, whether it's somebody else involved with the organization, whether it's a past guest, a current guest, a current guest, a future guest, it doesn't matter to me.
• 13:31
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: What matters is we're helping others.
• 13:36
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so, if your idea of helping others is really not helping others, it includes actions.
• 13:45
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Others and includes actions that are more in line with the opposite of helping.
• 13:57
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, turn that page.
• 14:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Go to that next donut shop.
• 14:07
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: If you're looking for glazed donuts and they're not glazed donuts at the donut shop you're going to, don't sit and bicker and argue and, uh, throw a tantrum because the donut shop you're at doesn't have glazed donuts.
• 14:21
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Stop wasting your, your time, stop wasting the manager or the individuals that are working.
• 14:28
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Stop wasting everybody's time and go to another donut shop until you find what you're looking for.
• 14:39
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Same thing with the show.
• 14:42
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Instead of being all upset and again there's going to be some information, some things that are going to be.
• 15:02
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'll just say, available here at some point in time, and I'm not going to share what those are, when that's going to be what it's about, because I'm just a lowly advocate.
• 15:28
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't get paid to do this.
• 15:32
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I spend my own money.
• 15:35
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't have millions, like some of you, that have chosen a different road, a different route, and are using that for, again, what we may think of some activities and some actions that can be very much looked at as quite the opposite of helping people, and you can use whatever term you want to justify it.
• 16:30
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: In your mind, you can say, well, no, I wouldn't call it this, I wouldn't really think of it in that way.
• 16:39
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, really, you wouldn't, okay, well, whatever we want to call what that is, and you viewers and listeners know exactly what I'm talking about.
• 16:56
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: If you're one of these individuals, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
• 16:58
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: If you're one of these individuals, you know exactly what we're talking about and you've made you've made decisions on your own.
• 17:13
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Voices for Voices has not undertaken, voices for Voices has not undertaken the types of actions that you have taken and are taking and continue to take and have taken in the past, and so you can try to erase that as much as you think.
• 17:53
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: But God's in charge here, not you, not me.
• 17:56
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: God is Not what you think.
• 18:00
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It is not what you're talking to people and wanting to tell others that you're the sinless one.
• 18:12
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You're not.
• 18:12
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: God is the sinless one.
• 18:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Jesus is the sinless one.
• 18:16
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, you're not.
• 18:16
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: God is the sinless one, jesus is the sinless one.
• 18:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And having a disability doesn't mean that we did anything against God or Jesus.
• 18:38
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Some of you are thinking what in the heck?
• 18:39
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: What is he talking about?
• 18:42
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It'll come much more clear, I promise you, sooner rather than later.
• 18:49
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: But for those that do know exactly what I'm talking about, that's who that's about.
• 18:58
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's who.
• 18:58
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's who.
• 18:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's who I'm speaking to.
• 19:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So, whether you're watching or listening Again, you can pretend You're doing things in the name of God and you can pretend things didn't happen.
• 19:37
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You can pretend that there's not a picture, there's not an article.
• 20:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You, we all, can pretend.
• 20:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: But there will be.
• 20:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There will be A time of judgment and that judgment is not going to be for me, not going to be from Voices for Voices.
• 20:16
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's going to be Whenices for Voices, that's going to be when we're at the gates of heaven, each and every one of us.
• 20:30
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We have and we're falling short, but that's what makes us human, and so to accept that is part of it.
• 20:45
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not perfect.
• 20:48
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not going to tell others or put content together that says or shows otherwise and portray myself to others that I'm that God.
• 21:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's not true.
• 21:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not true.
• 21:22
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so any of us with any type of disability ailment an area that's just been brought to my attention kind of in the full light is there's some individuals who think again I kind of alluded to it a couple minutes ago they think, people with disabilities or challenges or diseases or whatever, that it's our fault, that we did something wrong and this is God punishing us because of something that we did.
• 22:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And I can be further from the cave, further from the truth.
• 22:19
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So I would challenge anybody out there who has those beliefs, who's ever one time shared a belief like that that says you, you, you have cancer, you did something wrong, you don't have faith in God, it's your fault that you have cancer.
• 22:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: As an example, and there are.
• 22:57
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There are people as an example, and there are, there are people, because I would not be bringing this up and spending my time on it if there weren't people that have done this and have said these things and weave it into their.
• 23:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, if you call it teaching, there's some other areas, topics that I might think it better resides in, but you want to call it teaching?
• 23:32
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Okay, call it teaching, but if that's something you're teaching, that's something you're sharing as a human being.
• 23:47
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Whether somebody's a believer or not, somebody has a disability or challenge.
• 23:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: They most definitely did not do something wrong to have that and for you, your associates, to have said at one time is one time too many and we're not going to stand for that.
• 24:17
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're just not.
• 24:20
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: This world's made up of over 7 billion people from all corners of the planet.
• 24:32
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're not the same.
• 24:41
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We have differences.
• 24:42
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We look different, we're taller, we're shorter.
• 24:46
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Hair no hair color, religion, no religion.
• 24:53
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean we're as far as the eye can see.
• 25:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So again, if you're one of these individuals that have and whether you call it what we're calling that or not, the fact of the matter if you say anything that's related to somebody did something wrong, which is why they have a disease, or whether you know why they have an ailment, a disability, a challenge, you know nobody made you God, but you don't get to, you don't get to decide that, first and foremost, you're not the sinless one.
• 25:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Second, second, and people should not have to choose between a teaching you want to call it a teaching, a doctrine, what you, what your church says, instead of the parent.
• 26:32
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's also unacceptable in our opinion.
• 26:39
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We have the good faith that, as parents, right, when somebody's an adult, they're under the care of the parent, they're not under the care of you, they're not under the care of your specific church.
• 27:07
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You don't get special privileges like that.
• 27:11
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's the parents.
• 27:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And for any of you out there who has ever and I mean ever try to get between parent and their children and say well, you're doing something wrong if you're not spending your time with us at the church, because that means you're going against the Bible.
• 27:43
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And again, this is sounding pretty extreme.
• 27:54
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Right, guess what?
• 27:55
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We had that First Amendment right, first off, second off.
• 28:00
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: This has happened and is happening, which is why we're talking about it.
• 28:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We're not just burning up an episode to talk about something that is way, way, way, way in the distance.
• 28:19
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: No, no, no, these things are happening here in the United States of America.
• 28:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, we can choose two things as a people.
• 28:33
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: As a people, we can say that that activity of coming between parents and the church.
• 28:46
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: The disabilities, the diseases are the fault of the person, that they sin against God and that's the reason why, and that they don't have faith, or they have little faith and that's why they have their challenge or disability.
• 29:10
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Or we could say you know what?
• 29:17
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't stand for that, and so that's where Voices for Voices is at.
• 29:23
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't stand for that.
• 29:25
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't stand for that attitude.
• 29:26
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't stand for any speaker, any individual who thinks it's their job to do these types of things.
• 29:44
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And we can call these different terms.
• 29:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: But I've drilled right down into the details, into the real actions that actually are happening, and it hurts my heart to no end to know that these things are actually happening and have happened, and not just the one person, more than one person.
• 30:25
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I try not to get into specific numbers because then I get grilled on.
• 30:33
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, it's not that specific number, then you're wrong.
• 30:37
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, let's just say it's over one and I'll just say it's quite a bit bigger than one per year, per year after year, after year.
• 30:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So as I started, started, I'll end.
• 31:01
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: If you're in any way, shape or form, doing this activity, have been a part of it in the past and you're not stepping up and coming forward and talking about it and being a part of the answer, then that just means the opposite, that you're part of the problem.
• 31:24
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You might not like to hear that.
• 31:28
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm just a lowly servant trying to help people for the time that I have left on this earth and I'm not going to spend my time, my organization's time, and the guests that we bring on our show to in any way shape or form intentionally, to in any way shape or form intentionally hurt mentally, physically, spiritually.
• 32:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Choose the children between the two, between the church and and their own parents.
• 32:24
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's pretty straightforward, I think, what we stand for, what we're for, what we're against, call it what you want, call it what you want, but if you're not helping, you're just like hands over the ears, pretending not to hear it.
• 33:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You're a lot closer to, you're a lot closer to the problem than you are the answer.
• 33:25
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So we want to thank each and every one of you, even if you're tuning in and you want to disagree and say well, that's not what I'm doing, that's not what we do and you don't have proof.
• 33:37
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You know that's pretty sure we do, are we sure we do?
• 33:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And I'll just throw out one one, I'll throw out a couple.
• 33:58
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So we had an episode number 266.
• 34:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We have an episode number 266.
• 34:09
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's out where all our episodes are.
• 34:12
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You can watch it, you can listen to it at your leisure.
• 34:20
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: One of you, actually probably more than one, has accused one of our past guests saying well, this guest kidnapped and is trafficking the stepdad On episode 266, not my words, not the individual, it was a past guest of ours but the person who supposedly was trafficked and kidnapped came on in plain as day and you can read it in a transcript, you can watch it, you can listen to it.
• 35:04
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And that Mr Reimers said he unequivocally, has never been kidnapped, never been trafficked by anyone.
• 35:17
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He comes and goes as he pleases.
• 35:20
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's thing one.
• 35:25
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Thing two is you, mr Brian Davis, you offer this man money, a lot of money, over $50,000.
• 35:37
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And I think you know why I said over $50,000.
• 35:44
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: For Mr Reimers to give the intellectual property past, present, future of David Solomon, again, the amount you offered and have offered, well over $50,000.
• 36:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And I think you and I both know it's in the millions.
• 36:16
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So what do we call that?
• 36:17
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We call that a bribe Because we not we, you are trying to influence decision-making an endgame that you want, an endgame that you want.
• 36:34
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You want to say that, mr Solomon, all your work is mine, it's not yours, it's mine, it's mine, it's mine.
• 36:49
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: In good faith, we can say our voices are voices, that that's not the case.
• 36:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not your work.
• 36:56
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Do your own work.
• 36:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: But you did offer to bribe and it's a pattern, it's not just Mr Reimer's.
• 37:12
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: As we're going to get to the second or third, I forget where I'm at, because I'm so fired up about this, because we've been told and we've been lectured that we're wrong and there's no evidence.
• 37:30
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, there is.
• 37:33
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You don't want to call it evidence, you want to call it something else.
• 37:37
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You don't want to call it bribing.
• 37:40
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You don't want to call it blackmailing, you want to call it what you want, as Taylor Swift would say and that's not an endorsement of her music, but she has a song where it's like call it what you want, call it what you will.
• 37:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So, brian, you can call it what you want, what you will.
• 38:06
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: The definition on Wikipedia.
• 38:09
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Oxford dictionary anywhere it's called bribery and it's called blackmailing.
• 38:16
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Oxford dictionary anywhere it's called bribery and it's called blackmailing, like trying to influence an election, trying to pay or do things that make it easier to vote for a particular candidate, and so this isn't an election interference or an election bribery.
• 38:45
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: This is taking somebody's hard-earned work that they have done and they are doing, and maybe they decide to do something in the future, I don't know.
• 38:54
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And that's the third party, you, mr davis, mr brian davis, coming forward and saying I'm going to give you, mr reimer's, well over 50 000 into the, into the millions.
• 39:11
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: If you help me out, I'll give you this money and help you pay down your debts.
• 39:19
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So they call that bribery, call that blackmailing.
• 39:26
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Mr Davis, that's just the.
• 39:30
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm sure at some point You're a student, you like to learn, and so that's for our students, our individuals out there that they want to reference something.
• 39:46
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, they can reference that.
• 39:47
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so he says it's a pattern of behavior.
• 39:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, a pattern means more than one thing to me.
• 39:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So just recently we were made aware of that there was going to be a cyber attack against Voices for Voices so rumblings here and there.
• 40:15
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Cyber attack against Voices for Voices so rumbling here and there.
• 40:21
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There's going to be a cyber attack coming.
• 40:23
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's going to be around the 4th, isn't it?
• 40:34
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So July 4th came, july 4th went, not consented to having you, mr Davis, or people that work for you with you.
• 41:03
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You are not given consent and you'll never be given consent to touch anything, voices for voices, I promise you that.
• 41:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So you and or individuals who represent you, and I'll get to how we know that it was you in a minute.
• 41:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Our system, our infrastructure, is compromised at some degree.
• 41:33
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Our system, our infrastructure is compromised at some degree.
• 41:39
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's my idea and thought on what you may be looking for there to.
• 41:50
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: After July 4th, it brought to our attention that the person who wouldn't be known to others outside of a very, very small, small amount of people, so an individual, wouldn't be known to people outside the organization, people outside the organization.
• 42:40
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And it came to our attention from this particular individual.
• 42:48
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You say well, how do you say that Brian Davis did the attack?
• 43:00
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Well, I say that because he offered and you can correct me, brian, on the number, it wasn't $50,000.
• 43:04
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It wasn't $100,000.
• 43:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It wasn't $200,000, $300,000, $400,000, $500,000.
• 43:12
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It was in our good faith understanding that you offered this particular individual, just like you offer Mr Reimer.
• 43:24
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You offer Mr Reimer some money for something offering after you did your cyber attack, you had your people do your cyber attack and got that contact information.
• 43:38
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You reach out to that person and say, hey, here's $600,000.
• 43:46
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And I'm not going to share what the outcome or what you are asking for.
• 43:57
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not going to give you any more airtime, brian, because it's just truly.
• 44:05
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You know you're breaking the law when you're doing things against people's consent and you did this against our consent.
• 44:12
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So in our opinion, you broke the law.
• 44:15
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You broke the law by your cyber attack.
• 44:18
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's one.
• 44:23
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Two is you offer this individual $600,000 or thereabouts around there, more than $50,000.
• 44:31
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, money is $50,000 and that's kind of our benchmark.
• 44:34
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You'll see why that amount I'm bringing up here.
• 44:42
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: At some point you offered $600,000 to this individual for a particular action.
• 44:50
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's bribery.
• 44:57
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Individual comes back to you, brian, and says no, sorry, won't do it.
• 45:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so do you stop there, brian.
• 45:12
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: No, you don't.
• 45:26
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You try to find a person's vulnerability until you go back to this individual after they turn down your bribe of $600,000 for a particular action outcome and you tell this person well, I know this is an area.
• 45:44
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not going to say what the area is.
• 45:47
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not in the right to be able to share that.
• 45:52
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I know what it is, but that's not for me to share, but what I can tell you is Brian reached back out to this individual and said I know you're having a vulnerability over here.
• 46:15
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There's something that I can.
• 46:16
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I know that you're working through.
• 46:19
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I can help you.
• 46:23
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I can help you get whatever you need.
• 46:27
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: But that's also a bribe.
• 46:33
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And it is our understanding and good faith that both of those offers were both turned down.
• 46:50
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so now do you question how I know both turned down?
• 46:56
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so now do you question how I know, how we know, that you, mr Brian Davis, were at the very center of the cyber attack.
• 47:09
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not just a coincidence that these things happen the way they do.
• 47:13
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not just a coincidence you these things happen the way they do.
• 47:15
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: It's not just a coincidence.
• 47:15
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: You reach out to Mr Reimer the way you did.
• 47:18
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's how you do business.
• 47:21
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's how you do things.
• 47:23
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: If you don't get what you want, you try to buy people and buy things.
• 47:38
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And again, both of those brides of Mr Reimers and the other individual were both well above $50,000.
• 47:46
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Again, it'll be coming soon enough.
• 47:49
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Why $50,000?
• 47:50
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Why I've harped on the $50,000?
• 47:54
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There's a reason why I'm harping on the $50,000, why I've harped on the $50,000.
• 47:56
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There's a reason why I'm harping on the $50,000.
• 47:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And we'll, when it's the appropriate and if that appropriate time comes, we'll share exactly that.
• 48:13
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So, yeah, close this out with a bang right.
• 48:24
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So if you weren't following us kind of at the beginning and in the middle, I'm pretty sure you follow what I just shared here on the last 10 minutes or so of this particular episode.
• 48:45
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So it's important to share this because Mr Davis, one of the individuals that said Mr Solomon Was trafficking, had traffic, had kidnapped His own stepdad, mr Reimers.
• 49:07
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: That's why, that's why that that importance of that individual, that's why that's important.
• 49:14
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So that individual, and so we'd like to invite you to check out episode 266.
• 49:31
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Listen with your own ears, read, listen with your own ears, read the transcript, playing transcript.
• 49:46
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There's questions, there's answers and I kind of just give you this summary.
• 49:51
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you for joining us, for being a part of Voices for Voices.
• 49:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: No matter how small, how big your contribution is.
• 50:08
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: There's no contribution too small.
• 50:10
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: No volunteer is too small.
• 50:13
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: No contribution too small, no volunteer is too small.
• 50:17
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: No person that has liked, subscribed, given us a thumbs up, shared, followed all that to our show.
• 50:34
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And if you want to come forward and you want to share your story and your experiences because you want to help others, as Mr Solomon has, that even just recently he found out some information that he thought he was the only one that went through a particular situation, and he found that I was wrong.
• 50:51
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He wasn't the only one.
• 50:53
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He wasn't the only one.
• 50:54
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: He isn't the only one, and there's more than one other person.
• 50:59
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: They're in the hundreds.
• 51:01
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: And so, as Mr Solomon has in his doing helping others, so too can you or somebody you know can do also, and you can dictate how much information we share and that I'm a sharer, I'm a talker.
• 51:28
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: My psychiatrist says I'm an introvert, but I turn on the extrovertness at times, and I guess this is one of those times.
• 51:38
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So, thank you.
• 51:46
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: I want to say God bless you, whether you're a believer, whether you aren't, whether you're here in the United States or at some point in an area that's not the United States.
• 51:57
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: God bless America, god bless the world, god bless all humans, past, present, future, and God bless you for taking any amount of time to join the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
• 52:16
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We welcome you with open arms anytime that you would like to or anybody that you know would benefit.
• 52:26
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: We'd love to have you back with us on our next episode.
• 52:30
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: So until next time, be a voice for you or somebody in need, and we'll see you next time.
• 52:39
  Voices for VoicesⓇ, Justin Alan Hayes: Bye-bye.