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The Exotic Dancer Who Knew How to Die | Mata Hari · Beheaded

0:05
SPEAKER_02: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
0:07
SPEAKER_02: Welcome to season two, episode five.
0:09
SPEAKER_01: I'm Megan Moore.
0:10
SPEAKER_01: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
0:12
SPEAKER_01: It is a week, less than a week, until Christmas.
0:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
0:16
SPEAKER_01: By the time this episode gets released, it'll be like three days before Christmas.
0:19
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
0:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
0:20
SPEAKER_02: Are you ready for Christmas?
0:21
SPEAKER_01: It's just a weird year.
0:23
SPEAKER_02: You know, it just doesn't feel You'll never really feel ready this year, I don't think.
0:27
SPEAKER_01: Well, I've been trying to listen to more Christmas music and watching Christmas movies.
0:31
SPEAKER_01: We watched Meet Me and St.
0:32
SPEAKER_01: Louis today.
0:33
SPEAKER_02: We did.
0:33
SPEAKER_02: I had never had seen Meet Me and St.
0:35
SPEAKER_02: Louis.
0:36
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and it's not really like a Christmas movie at the end, it's very much like there's a Christmas scene that kind of ends the movie.
0:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I really liked it.
0:44
SPEAKER_02: That's so cute.
0:44
SPEAKER_01: It's a tradition for me.
0:45
SPEAKER_01: And for those who haven't seen Meet Me and St.
0:47
SPEAKER_01: Louis, it's an older movie.
0:48
SPEAKER_01: It's Judy Garland from 1944, and it's actually the movie where the song Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas, it was written for that movie.
0:57
SPEAKER_01: Right, which is really cool.
0:58
SPEAKER_01: It's so weird because it's such a classic song.
1:00
SPEAKER_01: You just kind of feel like it's always existed.
1:02
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:02
SPEAKER_01: But she's wearing this gorgeous like red dress and she sings it, and a little girl.
1:06
SPEAKER_01: Judy Garland looks great and balling her eyes out during it.
1:09
SPEAKER_02: I I realize that I think I've only really seen Judy Garland in Wizard of Oz, so it's cool to see her, obviously, not as Dorothy.
1:15
SPEAKER_02: I was like, oh yeah.
1:16
SPEAKER_02: Like she's so tiny and she's so pretty.
1:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like usually you see her amongst the munchkins.
1:22
SPEAKER_02: You don't realize how short she is.
1:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's like a tiny.
1:24
SPEAKER_02: She's like us.
1:25
SPEAKER_02: She is.
1:25
SPEAKER_02: We're like her.
1:26
SPEAKER_02: Uh yes, we did that today.
1:28
SPEAKER_02: I I think I'm done Christmas shopping.
1:30
SPEAKER_02: I hate to say it, Megan.
1:31
SPEAKER_02: The only person I haven't bought a gift for is you.
1:33
SPEAKER_01: It's because you're putting so much thought and effort into it.
1:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I I've been like very transparent with you the whole time.
1:40
SPEAKER_01: I am I'll take a late gift, but the later it is, the better it's going to be.
1:45
SPEAKER_01: And not like cost-wise, just thought-wise.
1:48
SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of pressure.
1:49
SPEAKER_01: I just think you're waiting for the perfect gift.
1:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's gonna fall in my lap here really soon.
1:55
SPEAKER_01: And actually when I go home.
1:56
SPEAKER_01: This is what Elizabeth and I do.
1:59
SPEAKER_01: For birthdays, we share a nice coffee table book for each other.
2:03
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
2:04
SPEAKER_01: And then for Christmas, this is kind of a newer one, but for Christmas, we're doing like a nice book.
2:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like a leather-bound, cool book.
2:10
SPEAKER_02: Not just like a paperback you pick up at Barnes and Noble.
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SPEAKER_02: Because it's hard to build up your collection of nice books.
2:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, and I love like I I just mentioned Barnes and Noble, but I love the ones that they have that are like big, leather bound, like, you know, with the illuminated text and the gold leaf and all that.
2:25
SPEAKER_02: But that's what actually Megan got me for Christmas.
2:28
SPEAKER_01: I did it's called Supernatural Stories, I think.
2:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, classic supernatural stories.
2:33
SPEAKER_01: And there's a I got it because there's a picture of the plague doctor on the front.
2:36
SPEAKER_01: It's like very steampunky and yeah, um, it just like represented 2020 very well, I thought.
2:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so there's some Edgar Allen and Poe in it, there's uh Sir Arthur and Conan Doyle, HP Lovecraft.
2:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I'm excited to read it.
2:50
SPEAKER_02: I was flipping through and there were some good titles.
2:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, but I like this little tradition of ours because who buys a coffee table book for themselves?
2:57
SPEAKER_02: I think.
2:57
SPEAKER_02: You really don't.
2:58
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I try to, but even then I usually ask them for gifts because it's like easy for someone else to get you.
3:03
SPEAKER_02: But I love coffee table books.
3:04
SPEAKER_02: If you ever want to send us gifts, you know we like books.
3:07
SPEAKER_01: Um last week we had a fun Friday.
3:10
SPEAKER_01: We both used PTO and took the day off.
3:12
SPEAKER_01: I feel a sneeze is coming.
3:13
SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
3:14
SPEAKER_01: I don't like tickling my nose because the COVID.
3:16
SPEAKER_01: No, it's not.
3:17
SPEAKER_01: It's we say that every time.
3:20
SPEAKER_01: We just had some pasta with pepper on it.
3:22
SPEAKER_01: We're very prone to allergies as well.
3:24
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, we went to the coolest, tiniest little museum.
3:29
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
3:30
SPEAKER_02: So someone had suggested this museum to Megan because they know that we're obviously into execution, and they were like, Have you been to this museum?
3:37
SPEAKER_02: It's like an hour away from where we live in Scottsdale.
3:40
SPEAKER_02: It's called Florence, Arizona.
3:41
SPEAKER_02: Don't get excited, it's not Florence, Italy.
3:43
SPEAKER_02: We were like thinking of posting, like, oh, off to Florence today.
3:46
SPEAKER_02: Florence, Arizona.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, but it it like they were like, there's this really cool like setup where they show all these people that have been executed in the county, and we were like so cool.
3:55
SPEAKER_02: So we went there, and it was a cool museum.
3:57
SPEAKER_02: There's actually a lot there, so we didn't just look at the execution stuff, they had like tons of old-fashioned like carriages, yeah, carriages and like Native American stuff, yeah, like very Arizona history, right?
4:10
SPEAKER_01: Like very 1800s, wild, wild west type of history.
4:13
SPEAKER_01: Yes, um, but Florence, Arizona has a really big prison there.
4:18
SPEAKER_01: So part of the museum was about the prison and the jail, yeah, and that was awesome.
4:24
SPEAKER_02: So to kick it off, like the first thing we saw were on the walls, and we realized that these things were built by prisoners themselves, which made it cooler.
4:34
SPEAKER_02: Like the sh the actual cases to display them in the display cases.
4:38
SPEAKER_02: And so what they were were they were cases of um a person who had been executed and the noose that they were executed with.
4:45
SPEAKER_02: So it was like I know, it's like so imagine just like a you know, shadow box glass case type of thing with just a noose, like kind of outlining almost the edge of it, and then in the middle there was a picture, it's like the mug shop of the person who was.
4:58
SPEAKER_01: I have to post a picture of it.
5:00
SPEAKER_01: That was really cool, really creepy.
5:02
SPEAKER_01: There was there was one woman, and that one was a botched execution as well.
5:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like a catch em uh execution where again, now that we know all of our history about hangings, like probably not measured appropriately.
5:14
SPEAKER_02: Maybe because she was a maybe because she was a woman that it wasn't measured right.
5:19
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, botched execution where she was hanged and hit the room.
5:22
SPEAKER_01: They didn't do the right weight and the length of the rope.
5:24
SPEAKER_02: They didn't consult their table.
5:26
SPEAKER_01: And then it was kind of cool because it said also on their little card the exact time that they were executed, and it was either by hanging or lethal gas.
5:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
5:35
SPEAKER_01: And you could tell they just did all their their executions at five in the morning because they were all like 5.04 a.m., 5.08 a.m.
5:42
SPEAKER_01: 5.0, 5.11 a.m.
5:43
SPEAKER_01: But they mission.
5:45
SPEAKER_01: There was one that was like 5.17.
5:47
SPEAKER_01: I was like, oop, something went wrong in that one because there was some delays.
5:49
SPEAKER_00: Someone overslept.
5:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
5:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then there was a not a chair, but it was a double chair.
5:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
5:57
SPEAKER_01: So it's I'll again I'll show a picture on our Instagram, but it was a custom-made wooden chair that was basically two seats combined.
6:05
SPEAKER_01: And it's because there were two brothers who were um found guilty of murder, and they were executed via lethal gas, and they made a custom chair so that they would do it together.
6:17
SPEAKER_01: Be together.
6:18
SPEAKER_01: A double execution.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: So they they were scrapped in next to each other.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: And they had the chair there, which is just kind of creepy because you realize someone two people died right together.
6:27
SPEAKER_02: Sitting next to each other.
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SPEAKER_02: And they had the straps and everything.
6:30
SPEAKER_02: We couldn't sit down and take a picture of it, unfortunately.
6:32
SPEAKER_02: Like we took a picture of it, but we wanted one of us sitting in the chair together.
6:35
SPEAKER_02: They wouldn't let us let us.
6:37
SPEAKER_01: Um, but it was cool getting told.
6:38
SPEAKER_01: We were the only ones in there.
6:39
SPEAKER_01: It was like you know, Friday morning.
6:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, shout out to the executive director, Stephanie.
6:44
SPEAKER_01: She was very, very informative.
6:46
SPEAKER_01: She was so passionate about what we were doing.
6:48
SPEAKER_01: We could tell.
6:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was just fun talking to her about it.
6:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, here we are in this tiny town in Arizona, thinking, like, okay, we'll we'll check this out.
6:55
SPEAKER_02: And she, you know, came up to us, we told her about our podcast, you know, we told her, Oh, like we're really into executions.
7:00
SPEAKER_02: And she was such like a pleasure to talk to because she obviously had so much information, and just you could tell was just genuinely into it.
7:06
SPEAKER_02: She's like, Oh yeah, like these are the nooses, and you know, prison prisoners actually made these, and we were just like, Oh, we like her.
7:13
SPEAKER_01: This is someone who could be our friend.
7:15
SPEAKER_01: We're into the same.
7:16
SPEAKER_02: We're like, so we'll see you next week, same time.
7:18
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, we just show up every week on a and any any new nooses in this book.
7:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:23
SPEAKER_01: Any new material?
7:24
SPEAKER_01: How old is this?
7:25
SPEAKER_01: The other thing that I really like that they showcased was these letters from the 1920s, which were invitations to the executions.
7:33
SPEAKER_01: So it was like, on behalf of the state of Arizona, you are cordially invited to the execution of Johnny Bob via lethal gas on you know, August 3rd, 1927, or whatever.
7:45
SPEAKER_01: It's like getting a wedding invitation or save the time.
7:46
SPEAKER_01: It was all nice calligraphy, and I was just like, oh.
7:49
SPEAKER_01: I didn't know they did that.
7:50
SPEAKER_01: Like I didn't know you got a formal invitation.
7:52
SPEAKER_01: I know.
7:52
SPEAKER_01: I feel like my life's incomplete until I get a formal invitation.
7:56
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna do that for like my funeral or something, it'll be like an execution invitation.
8:01
SPEAKER_01: I'll make sure that happens for you.
8:03
SPEAKER_01: A birthday invitation.
8:04
SPEAKER_02: I already planned your funeral, so I'll make sure to include that now.
8:06
SPEAKER_01: So, anyways, yeah, shout out to the Penal County Historical Museum in Florence, Arizona.
8:11
SPEAKER_01: By the way, there is not shit to do in Florence, Arizona besides the museum.
8:15
SPEAKER_02: We tried to like go through their main street, but I think it's probably because of COVID, but like everything was not just closed, but like foreclosed.
8:22
SPEAKER_02: Like gone, no more business.
8:24
SPEAKER_02: Like, just so it was a little sad.
8:26
SPEAKER_02: It looks a little ghost towny, but they have enough people there to like justify, you know, like it's a lot of law offices because of the jail.
8:32
SPEAKER_01: That's true.
8:33
SPEAKER_01: It's like all bail bonds, law offices, right?
8:35
SPEAKER_01: The courthouse.
8:36
SPEAKER_01: Found a really fancy clothes store.
8:38
SPEAKER_02: Some really we did go to the um national ruins too.
8:41
SPEAKER_02: There's like actually a national park right next to Florence, which is uh Casa Grande.
8:45
SPEAKER_02: Casa Grande, yeah, ruins monument.
8:47
SPEAKER_02: And it's just this really cool old, they think it might have been an observatory like back a thousand years ago, um, in like the Anasazi times.
8:55
SPEAKER_02: Um but that was really cool just to see after the museum and we walked around.
8:58
SPEAKER_01: We had a nice little historical hookie day of PTO, and we got burgers.
9:03
SPEAKER_01: It was fun, we had a great day.
9:05
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then yeah, now we're just heading into the holidays, and I'm leaving on you know my trip in a couple days, so here we go.
9:13
SPEAKER_02: Into the new year.
9:14
SPEAKER_01: And we have a lovely Christmas themed execution.
9:16
SPEAKER_01: We do.
9:17
SPEAKER_01: No, it's not Christmas themed, it's probably the farthest from it.
9:20
SPEAKER_01: I don't think there is a Christmas themed execution.
9:23
SPEAKER_01: Well, if there is, we'll find one.
9:24
SPEAKER_01: I almost want to say Jesus, but technically that'd be Easter.
9:27
SPEAKER_01: Ooh, that's good.
9:28
SPEAKER_01: I don't think we can do Jesus, can we?
9:31
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
9:31
SPEAKER_01: You know, we'll we'll keep an eye on that.
9:34
SPEAKER_02: Can we do Jesus?
9:35
SPEAKER_02: Tell it, you guys tell us.
9:36
SPEAKER_02: You guys tell us.
9:37
SPEAKER_01: Like, are we crossing the line if we do an execution episode on Jesus?
9:43
SPEAKER_01: It might get, I don't know, if we'd be quite appropriate with the Easter spot do our best.
9:48
SPEAKER_01: I don't think we can make jokes about it.
9:50
SPEAKER_02: We can't make it funny.
9:50
SPEAKER_02: We can't.
9:51
SPEAKER_02: We'd be so serious.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: We'd be like, and on the third day.
9:54
SPEAKER_00: And on the third day, I can't even do it seriously.
9:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we might have to stay away from that.
10:00
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to be smited and I don't want to go to hell.
10:02
SPEAKER_01: I think we're too inappropriate to talk about Jesus.
10:05
SPEAKER_02: But it isn't them is in our minds.
10:06
SPEAKER_02: So if you're like, oh, I wish we could do a Jesus episode, at least you know we're thinking about it.
10:10
SPEAKER_02: We've considered it and we're open to feedback.
10:14
SPEAKER_02: Uh DM us.
10:15
SPEAKER_02: Um so today we are drinking a wine called It's a Head Snapper, which is interesting.
10:20
SPEAKER_02: We mostly got it for the label because obviously we'll reveal our guests soon.
10:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, but it is a woman who is like a very she looks like kind of kind of nymph-ish.
10:30
SPEAKER_02: A little provocative.
10:31
SPEAKER_02: A very provocative stance, and she's got this little dress on, tiny dress, barefoot with just these grapes around her, and she looks just like this wild woman of the vines.
10:40
SPEAKER_01: And I like it's a head snapper, because not that this is a hanging execution, but it kind of reminds me of those botched like it's a head, it's a head snapper.
10:48
SPEAKER_02: Well, the head came off.
10:50
SPEAKER_02: I might have to start using that phrase in just like my normal little.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: I would be like, Elizabeth, you're such you're such a head snapper.
10:55
SPEAKER_01: Head snapper, man.
10:56
SPEAKER_02: You kill me.
10:58
SPEAKER_02: Um and uh we uh, you know, we're gonna get into the origins of our mistress today.
11:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, but we couldn't find where she was from because wine doesn't exist where she's from, essentially.
11:09
SPEAKER_02: So this is why it's just a California red blend.
11:12
SPEAKER_02: So we're not regional specific today, but we did have some pretzel um what do you think?
11:19
SPEAKER_01: Well, wait a minute.
11:20
SPEAKER_01: I don't think this is technically like German.
11:22
SPEAKER_01: Um pretzel dogs.
11:24
SPEAKER_01: Like the pigs in a blanket with the pretzel dogs.
11:27
SPEAKER_01: But it's like a pretzel blanket.
11:28
SPEAKER_01: We're so classy.
11:29
SPEAKER_01: Today was a rough day.
11:31
SPEAKER_02: Today was rough.
11:31
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be we only got four hours of sleep last night.
11:35
SPEAKER_02: We had our gift exchange with our friend Elena.
11:38
SPEAKER_02: Why did why why do we do this to ourselves?
11:40
SPEAKER_02: Because we're like children and we can't be put together.
11:42
SPEAKER_01: No, we were doing we were watching Aladdin, Anastasia, really silly movies, and not even the actual Little Mermaid, but like the Little Mermaid TV show from the 90s.
11:54
SPEAKER_01: If you remember, it was like on the Disney Channel and it was like bad animation.
11:57
SPEAKER_01: I think we just got excited that that exists and we could access it.
12:00
SPEAKER_01: We were up till almost five in the morning watching cartoons, like children.
12:05
SPEAKER_01: Literally, and I'm so tired, it hurts.
12:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so today we had a rough day.
12:10
SPEAKER_02: Like we came back over to Megan's in the morning.
12:12
SPEAKER_02: We had some errands to do, uh, you know, and then by the time we were ready to like sit down and discuss our lady of the day and watch a documentary together, we were both like, oh man.
12:21
SPEAKER_01: Also, yes, we do do everything together.
12:23
SPEAKER_01: Yes, I am married, but I do everything with Elizabeth also.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: But just know that.
12:29
SPEAKER_01: Anyways, yeah, so some days we have amazing chakoonery boards and we are very intentional with it pertaining to our theme.
12:37
SPEAKER_01: Today we had um some cheap wine and pretzel dogs.
12:41
SPEAKER_02: It's a beautiful wine, okay, with a beautiful label, and yeah, pretzel dogs, and then we were like, let's make like Schnitzel something Germanish, and uh we ended up with fettuccine alfredo.
12:53
SPEAKER_02: I was like, you know, Schnitzel and noodle, it's like we should just do the noodles, and it just turned into fettuccine alfredo by the end.
12:58
SPEAKER_02: So there's delicious, the full transparent story, but you know, I wish we had more to offer you.
13:03
SPEAKER_02: Struggle busing today, but we're getting through just fine.
13:06
SPEAKER_02: And honestly, this woman's story makes me really excited.
13:08
SPEAKER_02: So this is a cool story.
13:10
SPEAKER_02: She will get me through too much.
13:11
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, you know what?
13:13
SPEAKER_01: We don't care that we have another woman.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: We considered, like, are we doing too many women this season?
13:18
SPEAKER_01: You can't do too many women.
13:20
SPEAKER_01: Out of five episodes, four of them have been women.
13:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:23
SPEAKER_00: So we're just gonna say stands alone as the only one.
13:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so this is women empowerment season.
13:28
SPEAKER_01: All the women who've been executed.
13:30
SPEAKER_01: Completely unintentional, but hey, there it is, and we like it.
13:32
SPEAKER_01: And we're just gonna go with it.
13:33
SPEAKER_01: Let's just keep it.
13:34
SPEAKER_01: So we have another badass woman for you right after Joan of Arc.
13:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:38
SPEAKER_01: Um who are we featuring today, Mate?
13:40
SPEAKER_02: You say it first, because I don't want to mess up pronounce it.
13:42
SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's true.
13:42
SPEAKER_02: Usually your first pronunciation's a tough one.
13:45
SPEAKER_02: Um, today we have Matahari.
13:47
SPEAKER_02: Matahari.
13:48
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
13:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, her birth name is uh Marguerite Zell.
13:53
SPEAKER_02: Um, and she was actually born in the Netherlands.
13:56
SPEAKER_02: So we we say German and you'll know why as we get later.
13:59
SPEAKER_02: She's a very international woman, but technically she's Dutch with Dutch parents.
14:03
SPEAKER_02: Um came from the Nether Netherlands in um let me see if I say this one right, Lou Corden.
14:09
SPEAKER_02: Netherlands.
14:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, and uh we'll get into her whole story.
14:12
SPEAKER_02: But if you don't know who she is or never heard of her, essentially she was an exotic dancer/slash spy circa World War One.
14:20
SPEAKER_02: Really cool woman.
14:21
SPEAKER_02: Like if you just Google a picture of her, you know, even though she's Dutch, she has these really dark features and long dark hair.
14:28
SPEAKER_02: She's beautiful, and she looks, you know, almost like Middle Eastern or something.
14:31
SPEAKER_02: Very exotic looking, um, with just these deep eyes, and you can just like tell she like isn't even attractive for today's standards.
14:38
SPEAKER_02: Like, I mean, for like back then standards, she's very attractive for now.
14:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for now.
14:42
SPEAKER_02: Like if you were to see her on the street now you'd be like, wow, like a striking woman.
14:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, so she's got a really cool standard.
14:47
SPEAKER_01: Very strong-willed, very quick with it, and um very seductive.
14:54
SPEAKER_01: So we'll without further ado, we'll get into it.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, if you want to go ahead with her early life.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
15:00
SPEAKER_01: Mata was born as again, Margarita, which sounds pretty good right now.
15:06
SPEAKER_01: As Margarita.
15:07
SPEAKER_01: And I just we'll stop there and we're gonna go take a break.
15:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, she was born August 7th, 1876, like Elizabeth said, to Dutch parents up in the Netherlands.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: Um, her father was a hatter.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, don't really hear that too often.
15:22
SPEAKER_01: Um in 1889, though, he went bankrupt and things just kind of collapsed for their family after that.
15:28
SPEAKER_01: Right.
15:28
SPEAKER_01: He was just a jerk.
15:29
SPEAKER_02: Well, and before the collapse, I mean she had a very lavish childhood.
15:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
15:34
SPEAKER_02: You know, there were four siblings.
15:35
SPEAKER_02: She was the oldest um and had three little brothers.
15:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know, they went to the finest schools, and the dad was a hatter, yes, but he was also like an an an oil investor.
15:45
SPEAKER_02: So they had a very nice lifestyle.
15:47
SPEAKER_02: So she was used to a lot.
15:49
SPEAKER_02: You know, I think even by then she knew, I think, five languages growing up.
15:52
SPEAKER_02: She was smart, she was a very smart girl, best schools, you know, great family, and then womp womp womp.
15:57
SPEAKER_01: Womp womp.
15:58
SPEAKER_01: Things kind of go down.
15:59
SPEAKER_01: So he was a bit of a jerk.
16:01
SPEAKER_01: Um in 1889 he went bankrupt and he divorced his wife.
16:05
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: And then her mom actually died a couple years later.
16:10
SPEAKER_01: So at this time, Mata is 15 years old, and she went to go live with her godfather, and at this age, she decided she wanted to study to be a kindergarten teacher.
16:20
SPEAKER_02: Isn't that ironic?
16:21
SPEAKER_02: I literally just told you guys last episode that I was a kindergarten teacher.
16:24
SPEAKER_02: So when I read that, I was like, oh.
16:25
SPEAKER_02: This is kind of like your life.
16:26
SPEAKER_02: Maybe a foreshadowing.
16:27
SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say, oh, now I know how my life's gonna go from here on out.
16:31
SPEAKER_01: So it's about at this time when she started getting very flirty, and she actually had an affair with the headmaster of the school.
16:38
SPEAKER_01: So school didn't really work out.
16:40
SPEAKER_01: She got kicked out eventually.
16:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, was removed.
16:42
SPEAKER_01: But I think she got to learn that she was beautiful and she could use that to her advantage.
16:47
SPEAKER_01: And um, she really liked they said they she loved men in uniforms.
16:53
SPEAKER_01: Like, I think she just had a thing with powerful men like authority figures, yeah.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: An authority figure, older men, and she went for it.
17:00
SPEAKER_02: She was just like, okay, this is and obviously she had a bit of you know, some daddy issues, you know.
17:05
SPEAKER_02: She was the oldest of her family, she's probably used to getting her way, and I think that was the first time, again, like Megan said, she realized, like, okay, I had kind of you know, some some bad things happened with my dad leaving, and he actually left for another woman too.
17:18
SPEAKER_02: So I think she took the power back at that point.
17:20
SPEAKER_02: It was like, oh well.
17:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm beautiful, I can do what I want.
17:24
SPEAKER_01: Um, when she was 18 years old, she answered an ad in the newspaper for a wife, a wife, uh, a Dutch colonel.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, his name was Captain Rudolph McLeod.
17:36
SPEAKER_01: McLeod, thank you.
17:37
SPEAKER_01: Um, he was looking for a new wife and he was in his late 40s.
17:41
SPEAKER_01: Right.
17:41
SPEAKER_01: She was 18 years old.
17:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:43
SPEAKER_01: And she answered, and I guess he liked what he saw because they got married shortly.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: Very quickly.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:49
SPEAKER_02: Um he was also also Dutch, like uh Megan said, but he was in the Dutch East Indies, so what's currently Indonesia, um, in the island Java, that's where he like set up shop.
18:00
SPEAKER_02: So he basically like was like, yep, like we'll get married, and took her off to the uh jungle.
18:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, to the jungles of Indonesia.
18:08
SPEAKER_01: Um in which that's kind of like Sumatra.
18:12
SPEAKER_01: That was also yes, Sumatra is I think the current name of where yeah, where it is.
18:18
SPEAKER_01: East East Indonesia is where we're at.
18:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:21
SPEAKER_01: And while she was living there, she really absorbed the culture.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: She loved the exoticness of it, she loved the dancing, she liked that whole culture.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: She just started learning more and more about it.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: Right.
18:34
SPEAKER_02: And she has a quote, and this is um a little bit later, but this comes into play because she says, I was not content at home.
18:41
SPEAKER_02: I wanted to live like a colorful butterfly in the sun.
18:44
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's very representative of who she was because you know, again, she she knew she was beautiful, she knew she had some sort of power to get out and to travel and to see the world.
18:53
SPEAKER_02: And so as soon as again she saw this ad and took this opportunity, she's like, I'm gonna go embrace the world now.
18:57
SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm gonna go absorb this culture.
18:59
SPEAKER_01: The one thing that's kind of crappy though is her husband was a jerk.
19:04
SPEAKER_01: Like her dad.
19:05
SPEAKER_01: Like her dad.
19:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh, he was a terrible husband.
19:08
SPEAKER_01: He beat her, he was an alcoholic, he had a concubine that lived with them.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like openly had a mistress.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: Openly had a mistress who lived with them, and she was well aware of this lady and obviously didn't agree with it.
19:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:21
SPEAKER_01: Um, and but they did have two children.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: Norman and Louise.
19:25
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I didn't know their names.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Norman was the boy, obviously.
19:27
SPEAKER_01: Obviously.
19:28
SPEAKER_02: Louise was the girl.
19:29
SPEAKER_02: Oh wow, really.
19:30
SPEAKER_02: Shocking.
19:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, two kids.
19:32
SPEAKER_01: Kind of sad though.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: They both got syphilis.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: And because of their sexually active parents.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:39
SPEAKER_01: Um, they were very sexually active.
19:41
SPEAKER_01: Not with each other.
19:42
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, with others.
19:44
SPEAKER_01: And um, so back this is again like very early 1900s, late 1800s, and the way that they would cure syphilis was with mercury.
19:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:56
SPEAKER_01: And Norman, yeah, Norman got po mercury poisoning from trying to get cured from syphilis.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: Right.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: Um, the daughter was okay, but the boy didn't make it.
20:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: Also, there were some thoughts that maybe the kids were poisoned intentionally at dinner.
20:13
SPEAKER_02: Right.
20:13
SPEAKER_02: There they're, I think at the time, um, both Mata and her husband were kind of like, oh, like he must have been poisoned because he's this well-off, you know, Dutch captain.
20:22
SPEAKER_02: You know, they're they're out to get our family, you know.
20:24
SPEAKER_02: So they they did have theories that maybe the son was poisoned, but also, I mean, if you're taking Mercury, I don't know if you could really blame what did it be poisoning at that point.
20:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then again, things kind of shatter after that, and they get divorced.
20:38
SPEAKER_01: Kind of sad though.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: The colonel took the daughter.
20:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, she lost the court case trying to keep her.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: Right.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: And it she did admit, like, even though he was terrible to her and he was an alcohol alcoholic and beat her, he was okay of a dad to his daughter.
20:54
SPEAKER_02: So she lost that battle.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: And of course, you know, in this day and age, like the way that they spun it in court too was that Montahara, or sorry, Montahari um was this like loose women woman with loose morals, and she's the one that brought syphilis into the relationship, of course, because the guy could never bring in an STD.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: No, his concubine had nothing to do with that.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: So she's the one that brought like an STD into their relationship and thus killed her kid.
21:16
SPEAKER_02: So what kind of mother is.
21:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so they already started to paint her out as like, oh no, she's she's a seductress.
21:23
SPEAKER_02: Like, we know about her headmaster history.
21:25
SPEAKER_02: Now here she is with this guy, sleeping around on him, you know, destroying their marriage, like this terrible woman.
21:31
SPEAKER_01: Um, so she loses that battle in 1903.
21:35
SPEAKER_01: She moves to Paris and she's working for a circus as a horse rider.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: Very fun.
21:40
SPEAKER_01: But this is when she starts kind of breaking free and getting more provocative.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: She starts posing as a model for artists, so doing nude posing.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, but she's looking for money and she's realizing she's a beautiful woman, so um, and this is when like her her her career really starts kicking off.
21:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:59
SPEAKER_01: You're do you want to get To how her fame and fortune.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: This is my favorite part.
22:03
SPEAKER_02: So she on March 13th, and this is actually interesting because we'll find out later in the story.
22:09
SPEAKER_02: This date is relevant, but March 13th of 14, or sorry, 1904.
22:14
SPEAKER_02: Okay, four hours of sleep.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: Bear with us.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: We're working on our words.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: But um she officially has her debut as an exotic dancer.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: And it's so it's at the Mousse Goumet, if I say that correctly, who, funny enough, like she became mistress to the millionaire Emilier Goumet, who is the founder of the museum.
22:33
SPEAKER_02: So literally had her debut, exotic dance, you know, uh recital, if you want to call it that, at this place, and then gets involved with the founder who's this like mysterious millionaire.
22:44
SPEAKER_02: And so she essentially just became famous overnight.
22:47
SPEAKER_02: All of a sudden her picture was everywhere, and everyone's saying, like, oh, who's this Matahari woman?
22:52
SPEAKER_02: Which by the way, you know, as we said, her birth name is Margarita, um, Marguerite.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: Um, but she in when she was divorcing her husband, she was the one that created that name for herself because she stage name.
23:04
SPEAKER_02: She was like rebranding herself, she knew dance was gonna be in her future.
23:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, it was, you know, at that point like a you know artistic thing to do for her, and it translates to Eye of the Day.
23:14
SPEAKER_02: Um weird.
23:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've also seen it as Eye of the Dawn.
23:17
SPEAKER_02: So, anyway, so here she is, overnight success, like, oh, these new posters of Matahari, this beautiful woman, and everyone thinks she's foreign.
23:25
SPEAKER_02: It's funny because she's Dutch with Dutch parents, you know.
23:28
SPEAKER_02: She looks but she looks very dark.
23:29
SPEAKER_02: She has very dark features.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:31
SPEAKER_02: So everyone thinks, oh, who's this beautiful girl from Indonesia, knowing these Indonesian dances?
23:36
SPEAKER_02: And she created this image of herself, you know.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: She didn't say, Oh no, no, I'm Dutch.
23:41
SPEAKER_02: Hi, I'm Dutch.
23:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh she she said, Oh yeah, I'm this uh princess, and the island that she was in Indonesia was called um Java.
23:50
SPEAKER_02: So she was like, I'm this Javanese princess.
23:53
SPEAKER_02: And like back in the day, you can't like research research anyone.
23:57
SPEAKER_01: She was the daughter of a Hindu priest, right, and was a princess, like very elaborate backstory, right?
24:04
SPEAKER_02: So, and that at the time was fairly common, especially in Paris, for performers, like because they needed to have these colorful personalities.
24:11
SPEAKER_02: And why would you just go see this Dutch girl who thinks she can dance?
24:14
SPEAKER_02: Like, you're gonna go see Matahari, like this beautiful form.
24:17
SPEAKER_01: And to kind of like describe, I mean, we'll post pictures because I really think you need to get the whole image of what she looks like in her vibe.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: But she kind of like is more like belly dancing, like she wore like the really cool, like all the jewels and the bees and the like breastplate.
24:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, at least they call it a breastplate.
24:34
SPEAKER_02: Right, and like, you know, like the little things that drape around her thighs, like you know, bare belly, um, and then these elaborate headdresses with beads, you know, and very colorful.
24:43
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
24:43
SPEAKER_02: Um, so she very much leaned into that and was like, Yeah, like I am this girl from this far-off place.
24:48
SPEAKER_02: I know these dances no one's ever seen.
24:50
SPEAKER_02: And at the time that was their kind of interpretation of modern dance.
24:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
24:53
SPEAKER_01: You know, that was this is the turn of the century, so this is 1904 at this time.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: Right.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: And they were starting to get a lot of Asian and Indian influence, and that was becoming it kind of makes me think of um like a secret the secret garden or something, you know how like they're really just into India and uh Asian and China, like I don't know.
25:15
SPEAKER_02: I just feel like to them, these are these like far-flung lands, you know, and they're so just beautiful and you know, rich textures and scents and things that they just don't get in their everyday like Western European life.
25:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so this is also the age where in Paris, like these things become very popular, like the Moulin Rouge and these very risque, burlesque shows are becoming all their age, and the more you can push the envelope, the better.
25:37
SPEAKER_02: And it's considered tasteful at this time.
25:39
SPEAKER_02: It's not like you're going to a dirty seedy strip club down the road.
25:42
SPEAKER_02: No, you know, it's like this elaborate performance.
25:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and she started off in smaller private parties.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: She did the rich and the wealthy, um, and then eventually got her own show and her own theater.
25:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but um, it was mostly like top politicians, wealthy people, husband and wife, like not just men coming like that.
26:02
SPEAKER_01: Right, it wasn't like a gentleman's club, yeah.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: It was it was an event, it was a show that you went to go see and see her dance.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: Right.
26:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, and anyone that did critique her, they're like, Oh, this girl just goes and take off takes off her clothes.
26:12
SPEAKER_02: Like, so many people defended her.
26:13
SPEAKER_02: They're like, no, no, this is the ancient art of dance from Indonesia.
26:17
SPEAKER_02: This is an art form.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she was known for doing this little strip tease, but she never took off her top, right?
26:23
SPEAKER_01: She never did.
26:24
SPEAKER_02: She took a bunch of photos like fully nude bottom.
26:27
SPEAKER_02: Underneath.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, on the bottom down.
26:30
SPEAKER_02: Waist down.
26:31
SPEAKER_02: Waist down, thank you.
26:32
SPEAKER_02: But uh going on.
26:35
SPEAKER_02: Really going on.
26:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, and she, you know, but I I read that she was somewhat insecure of her small breasts, so she just kept the breastplates on the whole time.
26:45
SPEAKER_02: She's like, no, these are fine.
26:46
SPEAKER_02: I'll just have these on.
26:47
SPEAKER_01: Have these shit.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: Something for the imagination.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: She did things, yeah.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, she has nude photos out there, she would do the striptees, and she's getting an in with the high and the wealthy and the politicians, which is important to her next chapter of life.
27:03
SPEAKER_02: It's true.
27:04
SPEAKER_02: And just a few quotes of the way that she was described by some journalist of the day.
27:08
SPEAKER_02: Um I liked these two that really stuck out to me.
27:10
SPEAKER_02: But one was she's so feline, extremely feminine, and majestically tragic.
27:16
SPEAKER_00: And I just thought that- Majestically tragic.
27:18
SPEAKER_02: It's like she just had so much emotion, every tiny movement of her body and every way that she, you know, vibrated and swayed her hips and all of that.
27:26
SPEAKER_02: Like everything was just like trancing.
27:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like again, people were like amazed by this girl.
27:31
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then another person had said that she has the flexible grace of a wild animal.
27:36
SPEAKER_02: So again, they just thought Exactly.
27:39
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I want to see.
27:40
SPEAKER_02: Okay, Mukumaken see Matahari.
27:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh, so she had this very long run, and you also mind you, at this point, she's in her late 20s, early 30s.
27:50
SPEAKER_02: So she's not, again, a teenager anymore.
27:52
SPEAKER_02: It's not like she's 18, just up and coming and trancing the world.
27:55
SPEAKER_02: Like, she's at this point for this era, like an older kind of woman.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: But she wasn't a teenager, right?
28:01
SPEAKER_02: Like, her beauty still like held up, and like people were just so mesmerized.
28:05
SPEAKER_02: Um, but then obviously with any story, I mean she does get older, she does start to put on a little bit of weight.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: Rude.
28:14
SPEAKER_02: I know, and there's at this point younger women that are starting to do what she does.
28:18
SPEAKER_02: So, like people she's not as unique, yeah.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so there's more acts of like, oh yeah, well, I can just be a girl who wears heavy eyeliner and moves my body that way too.
28:26
SPEAKER_02: So by 1912 is sort of the beginning of her, like I won't we won't say decline, she just becomes less popular.
28:31
SPEAKER_02: Like she used to sell out every single thing.
28:33
SPEAKER_01: Maybe she's getting a little cheap, non-artistic, right, putting on some wig, but then some LB's World War I starts.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: And even though she was living and working in Paris, don't forget she's still Dutch and she's from the Netherlands.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: Right.
28:48
SPEAKER_01: And in World War One, the Netherlands was neutral, so she was able to cross borders freely, yeah, which is a huge advantage for her.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and she had been dating so many different people.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: She had a whole slew of boyfriends reasons to go from country to country because she had these rich foreign boyfriends from everywhere, you know, who wanted to dote on her and take her places.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: So she easily passed through countries.
29:11
SPEAKER_02: She again, she liked soldiers, she loved military men.
29:14
SPEAKER_02: So she's men in a uniform.
29:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so she just came and went across the country, you know, like borders didn't matter.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, but her last official show was, and this is important because we mentioned this, but was March 13th, 1915.
29:26
SPEAKER_02: So the same day like it started is the same day it ended for her on March 13th.
29:30
SPEAKER_02: I know.
29:30
SPEAKER_02: I wonder if that was kind of intentional on her part.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, maybe maybe it was a Friday the 13th.
29:35
SPEAKER_01: Ooh, we can ask her.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: Ask her or Google it.
29:39
SPEAKER_01: Um so she would travel through Spain and Britain, going between the Netherlands and Paris because she was intentionally avoiding all the war zones, and she falls in love again with a Russian pilot, very young chap.
29:54
SPEAKER_01: Who's 23?
29:56
SPEAKER_01: 23, and she's 41, I believe, at the time.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: Right.
29:59
SPEAKER_01: His name was Vadim Ma Maslav.
30:02
SPEAKER_01: And she's going back and forth visiting her Russian pilot Bo.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately, he was in battle and he was shot at, and he lives, he was fine, but he went completely blind.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: So she wanted to go and visit him in France, where he was.
30:18
SPEAKER_01: I think he was partially blind, by the way.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: Oh, partially blind.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: Still not a good situation.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: She wanted to go visit him where he was being held at in France.
30:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, but the French basically kind of blackmailed her and they said the only way you're gonna be able to see this guy is if you agree to be spy for us.
30:36
SPEAKER_01: Because again, it was very intriguing that she was a beautiful woman, she could cross borders, and she had an inn with some of the politicians because they knew her reputation and that she was a socialite.
30:48
SPEAKER_01: She was already going to all these big fancy parties.
30:49
SPEAKER_02: And at this point, she's no longer a dancer, so it's not like she has commitments to dance every night, you know.
30:54
SPEAKER_02: So what else are you doing with your time?
30:55
SPEAKER_02: Like, you're a retired dancer, you're still gorgeous.
30:57
SPEAKER_02: Like, people, you're still known for your like erotic nature and your beauty.
31:01
SPEAKER_02: So, like, hey, chill and trance with you.
31:04
SPEAKER_02: Right, like let's have you work for us.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: They asked her to seduce the crown prince Wilhelm son of Kaiser, who's German.
31:14
SPEAKER_01: Um, and they offer her one million francs.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of money.
31:19
SPEAKER_01: To be the mistress of the Kaiser son.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: Right.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: Trying to get information of what's going on.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: And to um compute that for today, it's over three million dollars in American dollars.
31:29
SPEAKER_02: Would you do it?
31:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:32
SPEAKER_02: You kidding me?
31:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:34
SPEAKER_02: Uh yah.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: Three million dollars to be like, yeah, just go flirt with this dim wood of a son.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: Man, and she's already kind of doing that anyways, because she's already pretty flirty and has all these boyfriends.
31:46
SPEAKER_01: She's like, well, I mean, if you're gonna pay me a million francs, sure, I'll do it.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: And even though she was in love with this Russian pilot, who she called the love of her life, by the way.
31:53
SPEAKER_02: She, I think he probably understood her role at that point, and she's doing it for him.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: Like, she's doing these things, she's becoming a spy, she's getting paid so she can be with him and see him, and they would be set if they just walked away from that situation with three million dollars.
32:07
SPEAKER_02: Like, okay, like we did the task, now we have three million dollars.
32:10
SPEAKER_01: We always have to know when to stop.
32:11
SPEAKER_01: Like, take the money and then be done with it.
32:13
SPEAKER_01: That's true.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: But people get greedy.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: Bonnie and Clyde, man.
32:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:18
SPEAKER_01: On November 1916, in one of her back, she's going from Spain to London to Paris.
32:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, in London, she gets arrested.
32:32
SPEAKER_01: Um shoot.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she got caught.
32:35
SPEAKER_01: So she's detained by the police, and she does eventually get released, but but that is her first hiccup, and that's when she's starting to get caught.
32:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's starting to get on the radar a little bit more.
32:45
SPEAKER_02: Um, so she's essentially, uh, at this point, she's offered to share some of the French secrets with Germany.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: So Germany kind of catches on to okay, this girl might just be here for more than just dating the Kaiser's son, who by the way, the Kaiser's son was also like not all that important.
33:04
SPEAKER_02: Like they went after him thinking, like, oh, he's the big white whale.
33:06
SPEAKER_02: Like, we gotta take him down.
33:07
SPEAKER_02: If we take him down, we'll take the Kaiser down.
33:09
SPEAKER_02: But they kind of misjudged that because he didn't have a whole lot of responsibility.
33:13
SPEAKER_02: He was kind of a more of a like a lowly official.
33:16
SPEAKER_02: Um, so again, once the Germans kind of found out what she was about, they were like, you know what, you can also give us some French secrets, you know.
33:24
SPEAKER_02: Maybe we could tit for tat kind of thing.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and well, actually, too, what happened was in 1916 she was in Madrid and she's still trying to figure out how to get in with the prince.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: Right.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: So she meets up with Major Arnold Calais, yeah, K-A-L-L-E, um, because she's trying to like, oh, you oh, you know the the the Prince.
33:46
SPEAKER_01: Kaiser's son.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know the Kaiser's son.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh, he's a buddy.
33:48
SPEAKER_01: Well, so she's starting to chat it up with him.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:51
SPEAKER_01: And he is in, like, well, can you share your French secrets with us?
33:55
SPEAKER_01: Right.
33:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, so she basically becomes a double agent.
33:59
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
33:59
SPEAKER_02: So at this point, she's already promised the French that she's gonna bring information back, you know, back from the Germans via Kaiser Wilhelm's son.
34:06
SPEAKER_02: But then at this point, she's so desperate to see the son that she's like, Oh, I'll give you some French information if you'll just let me play.
34:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, which in her I mean, to be fair, like she's a survivor, like she's like a person who just will get by.
34:18
SPEAKER_02: Like, she's been through this hellish marriage, you know, she's lived in Indonesia, like she's been an exotic dancer, and I'm sure has done many questionable things, you know, to get ahead.
34:27
SPEAKER_02: So at this point, it's like she's just looking out for her.
34:29
SPEAKER_02: Like she's like, I don't care about you, French, like I don't care about you Germans.
34:33
SPEAKER_02: Like, I do care about you, Russian pilot, that I want to see eventually.
34:37
SPEAKER_02: I know, but you know, but overall she is just trying to do whatever to survive and get ahead and like make sure she's is you know preserving herself.
34:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, preserving herself and preserving hopefully her love in the future um to the Russian pilot.
34:48
SPEAKER_01: But um the Germans give her the code name of Agent H21.
34:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:55
SPEAKER_01: It's not 100% confirmed, but that's what was believed.
35:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, because when they would hear, like by intercepting.
35:04
SPEAKER_01: Like when the French would intercept German messages, yeah, yeah, and they would hear about Agent H21, it basically matched her biography.
35:11
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:12
SPEAKER_01: And so I think it's safe to assume she was Agent H21.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: Right.
35:15
SPEAKER_01: On the German side.
35:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:17
SPEAKER_02: Which confirms her role as a double agent.
35:20
SPEAKER_02: So finally, um, after all of this, uh, this is a funny date, we thought, but February 13th, 1917, which February 13th is also the day that Catherine Howard died.
35:30
SPEAKER_02: Not yeah, not the same year, obviously.
35:32
SPEAKER_02: Um, but uh on that day she was finally arrested in Paris and arrested for real this time on real charges.
35:38
SPEAKER_01: They intercepted some of the codes, and this is where it gets a little tricky too, because so it was the French intercepted the Germans' codes, they were talking about age in H21, and they were using codes that had already been broken by the French, like they already knew what they were talking about.
35:55
SPEAKER_01: Right, which they knew that, so in a way it was almost like they were giving her up voluntarily.
35:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like, oh, we're we already know that the that the French know we're talking about Mata.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: Right, H21.
36:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's just kind of set her up because she's used we're gonna over her.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: Right.
36:12
SPEAKER_02: She she tried to give some s French secrets, but they found out that that wasn't relevant secrets.
36:17
SPEAKER_02: It was more like, I'll tell you which French ambassadors are sleeping with who.
36:20
SPEAKER_02: And like nothing related.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: It was like, okay, so this person is cheating on his wife.
36:25
SPEAKER_01: We don't care about that.
36:26
SPEAKER_01: We need to know what what the French are doing, right?
36:29
SPEAKER_01: And uh, and she was also giving them information that could just be found in the newspapers in Spain.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: So she'd come to them, like, I'll tell you what's going on.
36:38
SPEAKER_01: And she would give them all this gossip, and then they'd be like, Yeah, we know that.
36:41
SPEAKER_01: That was in the paper yesterday.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: Right.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: So she wasn't very valuable, she wasn't really giving important information, and needless to say, she's kind of a bad spy.
36:48
SPEAKER_02: Like, she did her best.
36:50
SPEAKER_02: Um, but at the end of the day, we think that she may have been set up, and the Germans at that point were like, you know what, let's just give this girl up.
36:57
SPEAKER_02: Like, she's probably doing more harm than good if she's telling them our secrets.
37:00
SPEAKER_02: So, like, let's have these messages be intercepted, and then again, she finally gets arrested in Paris.
37:06
SPEAKER_02: Um we're now at 1917.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so uh she was in prison for a while.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: Like, she was in prison for months until finally July 24th.
37:15
SPEAKER_02: They officially accused her of spying for Germany.
37:18
SPEAKER_02: It was a two-day trial.
37:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:20
SPEAKER_01: And they were tough and they were mean and they were relentless, and there was no real evidence either.
37:26
SPEAKER_02: There wasn't any evidence.
37:27
SPEAKER_02: I think this is typical of most executions we do, but once they decide, like, ah, you're you're a German spy, you know, fate sealed.
37:34
SPEAKER_02: You already knew what was right.
37:36
SPEAKER_02: Like, you don't need any evidence.
37:37
SPEAKER_02: It's like this is what we think, hearsay, whatever.
37:39
SPEAKER_02: What one of the only pieces of evidence they did have was some invisible ink.
37:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they went through her things and they were like, Well, you have this invisible ink, and she was like, Well, that's she claimed it was part of her makeup.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: Her she's like, My this is my Indonesian, very foreign uh makeup that you don't know about.
37:57
SPEAKER_02: Um, so they accused her with again causing the death the death of at least 50,000 soldiers because of her actions and her spying.
38:05
SPEAKER_01: Doesn't also make sense.
38:06
SPEAKER_01: Like, how could she, on one hand, they're saying you're a terrible spy and we don't like you because you are worthless to us, but also you were the dress.
38:14
SPEAKER_01: The cause of 50,000 deaths.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: Like only a good spy would be the cause of that.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
38:18
SPEAKER_02: So a lot of people think that she may have just been purely a scapegoat at this point for France because France wasn't doing well throughout all of this, like they weren't making the gains that they wanted to on the battlefront, they weren't getting the information that they needed to from her or any other spy.
38:33
SPEAKER_02: So they think it was almost just like a whoa, well, she did it.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: Like if we if she did her job, if she got us the information, and if she didn't betray us to the Germans, like we would be doing better in this war.
38:44
SPEAKER_02: So they think that it was just an easy blame, like it was it was that girl, you know, that woman of loose morals.
38:49
SPEAKER_02: She was the one that caused it.
38:50
SPEAKER_01: She was such an easy like image for to make people hate.
38:54
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
38:55
SPEAKER_01: They could really paint her into this picture of just being a dishonest person, and they used the fact that she did create a fake identity, right?
39:04
SPEAKER_01: Because she was never a a Javanese princess.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: So they're like, okay, the fact that you could lie about your entire background for a decade and let people believe it and become famous over that, clearly you're a dishonest person.
39:16
SPEAKER_02: So it like makes you deplicitize.
39:19
SPEAKER_02: Right.
39:19
SPEAKER_02: Like clearly you have a knack for lying about your background and you know, doing what you can to get ahead.
39:24
SPEAKER_02: So thus spy.
39:25
SPEAKER_01: Uh I like one of her quotes that she did say in her trial.
39:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:29
SPEAKER_01: She said, a harlot, yes, but a traitorous, never.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: Never.
39:34
SPEAKER_01: Call it like it is.
39:35
SPEAKER_01: I know.
39:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, and uh, she did admit to accepting uh 20,000 francs um to spy on France, but she swore that she only passed along like small trivial information.
39:47
SPEAKER_02: So she was like, Yeah, you know what?
39:48
SPEAKER_02: At one point I did take the money from the Germans, you know, for French information.
39:52
SPEAKER_02: She's like, but I didn't tell them anything important.
39:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's like, I took the money, but I didn't do the duties of a spy.
39:57
SPEAKER_01: So I just wanted the money.
40:00
SPEAKER_01: Um this is really sad.
40:02
SPEAKER_01: Her her pilot, Russian lover, he didn't back her up.
40:07
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
40:08
SPEAKER_02: After all of that, like she's basically got involved with all of this for him.
40:12
SPEAKER_02: You know, um, this is a silly analogy, but it reminds me of Hercules, the Disney movie.
40:17
SPEAKER_02: Um when Megra?
40:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Megra, like it's like she sells her soul to the devil to save her boyfriend's life, and then at the end of the day, like he just leaves her.
40:26
SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of the same thing where she like does all of this, like, you know, does the duplicitous spying, like becomes a double agent just because she has the promise of seeing her Russian pilot again, and then at the end of the day, he doesn't even testify on her behalf.
40:38
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't step forward and say, like, oh no, like this is who she really is.
40:42
SPEAKER_02: I can attest to her character or what she was up to or whatever.
40:45
SPEAKER_02: So at the age of 41, she was told that she was going to die by firing squad.
40:52
SPEAKER_01: Found guilty, death by firing squad.
40:55
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
40:56
SPEAKER_01: Uh so her execution date was October 15th, 2007.
41:01
unknown: Whoa.
41:03
SPEAKER_01: Yesterday.
41:05
SPEAKER_01: She was very old in prison.
41:07
SPEAKER_01: She was already a corpse.
41:09
SPEAKER_01: Right.
41:09
SPEAKER_01: No, let me start over.
41:10
SPEAKER_02: She's 125 years old.
41:12
SPEAKER_01: October 15th, 1917 was her execution date at dawn.
41:18
SPEAKER_01: She had 12 French soldiers prepared with rifles as the firing squad.
41:23
SPEAKER_01: And is this our first firing squad?
41:27
SPEAKER_02: No, Mussolini was fine, Mussolini, technically, that was a shashi job.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I mean Romanovs were not kind of firing squad.
41:35
SPEAKER_02: Okay, all right.
41:35
SPEAKER_02: We've done this before.
41:37
SPEAKER_02: Um but she's I we should have like a by the way, we should have like a graph of like types of executions we've had.
41:43
SPEAKER_02: Like all types of graphs.
41:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like this many pie charts.
41:46
SPEAKER_02: Well, this many hanged people, this many, you know, uh burned people, one, this many firing squads.
41:52
SPEAKER_01: Um she went she went in feisty.
41:55
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:56
SPEAKER_02: I loved this.
41:57
SPEAKER_02: The way that she goes out is great because they offer her a blindfold, like a courtesy blindfold, and she refused it.
42:03
SPEAKER_02: She was like, no, thank you.
42:04
SPEAKER_02: And she talked to the people that were about to fire on her as if they were just like people she knew well.
42:10
SPEAKER_02: Like she's like, okay, like she was conversational.
42:12
SPEAKER_02: She's like, I you know, she's like basically like I want you to know me and know I want you to understand what you're doing, and you're taking a life, and you're taking my life.
42:19
SPEAKER_02: So she spoke to them.
42:21
SPEAKER_02: Um, she didn't, you know, resist.
42:23
SPEAKER_02: She didn't, she wasn't hysterical, she was completely calm.
42:26
SPEAKER_02: Would you take a blindfold?
42:27
SPEAKER_02: Or would you look them in the eye?
42:29
SPEAKER_02: I want, yeah.
42:29
SPEAKER_02: If it's again my last moments, I want them to feel it.
42:32
SPEAKER_02: I want them to feel my last moments.
42:34
SPEAKER_02: They're not gonna make me just cry in a corner with a blindfold.
42:37
SPEAKER_02: Um looking you dim.
42:38
SPEAKER_01: She also wasn't bound.
42:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:40
SPEAKER_01: So she's just like, nope, I'll stand here.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll stand on it.
42:43
SPEAKER_01: Which is when you have guns pointing at you, you like you want to flinch.
42:47
SPEAKER_01: You wanna like run or hide or fall or something.
42:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, she she died with her head up, they said, looking straight into the eyes of the people that shot her.
42:57
SPEAKER_02: She had no change of expression, so it's not like once they started firing, she you know, had a freak out or anything.
43:02
SPEAKER_02: She was just completely blanked face.
43:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then she slowly just kind of sank to her knees and like collapsed in on herself.
43:09
SPEAKER_02: Um and then, oh, and and it was actually said that right before they fired that she blew a kiss to them.
43:16
SPEAKER_02: You know, in her tradition.
43:17
SPEAKER_02: It's just a final go-out.
43:21
SPEAKER_02: Blow a kiss to the boy.
43:22
SPEAKER_02: She was like taken down.
43:24
SPEAKER_02: You know, like stone faced dressed in my finest attire, blowing you kisses, saying, Oh, thank you.
43:29
SPEAKER_02: I hope you know what you're doing.
43:30
SPEAKER_01: After she did go down, um, one of the sergeants went up and he put a revolver up to the temple of her head and then really did her out.
43:38
SPEAKER_01: Just I think that's it.
43:39
SPEAKER_01: I think they have to do that.
43:40
SPEAKER_01: It's just protocol.
43:42
SPEAKER_02: Um and then the um the sergeant major who oversaw the whole execution, his quote was, By God, this lady knows how to die.
43:51
SPEAKER_02: I'm like So bad.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: It's so cool.
43:53
SPEAKER_02: Like for a man to say that about a woman.
43:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they do this all the time.
43:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is in the middle of a world war.
43:59
SPEAKER_01: They're they're expecting.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: Executing and they're doing fire scroll.
44:01
SPEAKER_01: They probably see Yeah, they probably see grown men, like captains and soldiers and admirals, like urinate on themselves.
44:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:08
SPEAKER_01: Crying and whimpering and shaking, and then she's just blowing them a kiss and like.
44:13
SPEAKER_01: She's like, here's my best outfit, blowing you a kiss.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: Also, she was in prison for almost a year.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it was a relief.
44:18
SPEAKER_02: She's like, especially like, as we pointed out from her first quote, like she, you know, compares herself to this butterfly who's colorful and just flies around and does what she wants.
44:28
SPEAKER_02: So for her, being at home, being in a prison, being confined is the last thing she wants.
44:34
SPEAKER_02: Easily take death any day over just being a domestic woman or being a person who's just locked up all the time.
44:40
SPEAKER_02: She's like, yep, take me down.
44:41
SPEAKER_01: And I hate this how they were mentioning at her trial she didn't like look her best.
44:45
SPEAKER_01: Like she they said she looks bloated and tired.
44:48
SPEAKER_01: It's like you've been in prison for six months or whatever.
44:52
SPEAKER_01: Like you know what I would look like in six months.
44:55
SPEAKER_01: Like, what do you expect?
44:56
SPEAKER_01: Sleeping on a stone floor without my lovers and my gifts and my clothes.
45:00
SPEAKER_01: There's also two different accounts of what she was wearing.
45:03
SPEAKER_01: Some said it was a brand new suit that she had made specifically for this occasion, and she looked very nice.
45:11
SPEAKER_01: Others said that she was wearing like the only clean set of clothes that she had left over from the trial.
45:16
SPEAKER_01: So I like to kind of think of it as she wore her best when she had a new suit.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: A tailor-made suit.
45:22
SPEAKER_01: It was like a blue jacket.
45:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's pictures you can find online.
45:25
SPEAKER_02: We should post one of like what she looked like on the last day, but very beautiful.
45:30
SPEAKER_02: Very very uh stirring.
45:33
SPEAKER_02: Um nobody claimed her body.
45:35
SPEAKER_01: She didn't have any family member, friends, or that Russian lover just yeah, Russian lover was gone.
45:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, we should point out too that her daughter, who had survived the syphilis, actually died when she was 21.
45:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she had no one really.
45:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so she didn't have you know family alive except for her ex-husband who's off god knows where.
45:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
45:52
SPEAKER_02: And then her Russian lover that left her.
45:54
SPEAKER_02: And it's funny that at the end it's like so many people loved and admired her, and she broke so many hearts and was involved with so many different men, yet no one was there.
46:01
SPEAKER_02: Always the life of the party.
46:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no one was there at the end.
46:04
SPEAKER_01: Who's showing up for you now?
46:05
SPEAKER_01: It's really sad.
46:06
SPEAKER_01: So nobody claims her body, and because of that, they donated it to science.
46:10
SPEAKER_01: They used her her head was embalmed.
46:14
SPEAKER_01: And this is creepy.
46:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
46:16
SPEAKER_01: Was it like 2013?
46:18
SPEAKER_01: It was something recent, I feel like.
46:20
SPEAKER_01: No.
46:20
SPEAKER_01: I think it was more uh I didn't write down the date.
46:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:23
SPEAKER_02: I apologize.
46:24
SPEAKER_02: But in the early 2000s, they essentially found out that the head had disappeared.
46:29
SPEAKER_01: There was missing.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: A transportation of the goods in this museum back in the 1950s.
46:34
SPEAKER_01: Like maybe it went missing during that move.
46:36
SPEAKER_01: How do you not notice?
46:37
SPEAKER_01: How do you lose 60 years?
46:39
SPEAKER_01: You lost a German spy head.
46:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, what?
46:44
SPEAKER_02: The most precious type of head there is out there.
46:46
SPEAKER_02: And it was at the Museum of Anatomy in Paris.
46:50
SPEAKER_02: Um, and at some point, yeah, they have no idea when exactly, but they're like we uh we uh lost the head.
46:56
SPEAKER_02: Imagine telling your boss that.
46:58
SPEAKER_02: You know, remember you said you wanted to retrieve the Matahari head because you wanted to display it in a cool new exhibit about her?
47:06
SPEAKER_01: Can't find it.
47:08
SPEAKER_01: There's also a museum in her hometown back in the Netherlands.
47:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:11
SPEAKER_01: That is designated.
47:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a Matahari museum, which would be so cool to see.
47:16
SPEAKER_01: They have like her notes from her dance moves that she did, love like the different footsteps and her um like her shoes and clothing, and that'd be really cool.
47:26
SPEAKER_01: I would love to see that.
47:28
SPEAKER_01: I'll have to get to the Netherlands.
47:29
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, um, you know, all of our descriptions of her really can't do her justice.
47:32
SPEAKER_02: So you have to see the pictures.
47:34
SPEAKER_02: You have to see the pictures, you know, and just uh have a sense of her energy and her her again, her beauty, and just the way she was able to seduce people so easily.
47:42
SPEAKER_01: Just like, oh here I am.
47:43
SPEAKER_01: You can find the pictures, I'll post them on beheaded.podcast on Instagram or on Facebook or on Twitter, but I'm really bad at using Twitter.
47:52
SPEAKER_01: We are on Twitter, I do basically when I post something on Instagram, I just make it on sure.
47:59
SPEAKER_01: I just like post it on all.
48:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:02
SPEAKER_02: Well, take a look at her.
48:03
SPEAKER_02: She is gorgeous, very mysterious woman.
48:07
SPEAKER_01: So, for those of you who recall, in our last episode, we did our very first contest.
48:11
SPEAKER_01: It was a fun challenge.
48:13
SPEAKER_01: It was fun to see people's uh, you know, um responses.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
48:17
SPEAKER_01: I I hope the rules weren't complicated because the intent was you had to list all of our executiones that we've talked about in order of their death dates.
48:27
SPEAKER_01: Right.
48:28
SPEAKER_01: I got a couple where it was just the all of them in order.
48:31
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, that's easy.
48:32
SPEAKER_01: You just pull up the podcast and you can.
48:34
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you just look at their it wasn't the show order, it was their death order.
48:39
SPEAKER_01: So you all lost whoever did that.
48:41
SPEAKER_01: So sorry.
48:42
SPEAKER_01: Try again next time, read the rules.
48:43
SPEAKER_01: Death by fire is fun.
48:45
SPEAKER_01: Um, but we do have a winner, Miss Kaylee from Nashville.
48:49
SPEAKER_01: Hey Kaylee.
48:49
SPEAKER_01: We're so proud of you.
48:50
SPEAKER_01: You were the first one who submitted it correctly.
48:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
48:53
SPEAKER_01: And we have the answers in case you're just dying to know.
48:56
SPEAKER_02: And this is also gonna serve as our segment for timeline check.
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SPEAKER_02: So these are gonna be all of our executions in order of death date, and we'll go ahead and we'll switch them off together.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, but this is the correct order that Miss Kaylee submitted.
49:08
SPEAKER_02: Oh, and what will she be getting for her prize?
49:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, okay.
49:11
SPEAKER_01: So Miss Kaylee is gonna get her very own deck of executed today playing cards.
49:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Again, we've talked about these cards before.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a deck of like normal 52 cards.
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SPEAKER_01: The jokers are executioners, and then it's each card is an executed person, and it tells like a little biography and the date that they died with the picture.
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SPEAKER_02: Yep, and it's split up instead of like the the suit, the suits, suit, suits, the suits, it's um tutor, it's English, English, French, uh, German, and Russian.
49:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:46
SPEAKER_01: So well done, Kaylee.
49:47
SPEAKER_01: You'll see that come in your way.
49:49
SPEAKER_01: We'll reach out for your address.
49:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, so here's our timeline.
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SPEAKER_01: So far, we have nothing older than our good old friend Ramses III.
49:57
SPEAKER_01: Still the oldest.
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SPEAKER_01: He wasn't the one executed, he was the one who was murdered.
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SPEAKER_02: Murdered, and then a bunch of executions ensued resulted from it.
50:05
SPEAKER_01: But Ramses III, that was 1155 BC in Egypt.
50:10
SPEAKER_01: Ooh, should we do countries too?
50:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we could say countries.
50:13
SPEAKER_02: Okay, let's see if we remember all this.
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SPEAKER_02: Shall we go back and forth?
50:15
SPEAKER_02: Do you see it?
50:16
SPEAKER_02: Can you see it okay?
50:17
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I can.
50:17
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then next after uh our friend Ramses is Socrates in Greece in uh 399 BC, died of uh suicide.
50:26
SPEAKER_02: He had to kill himself.
50:27
SPEAKER_02: Drink the hemlock.
50:29
SPEAKER_02: Drink the hemlock.
50:30
SPEAKER_01: Ooh, okay.
50:31
SPEAKER_01: Adding to it.
50:33
SPEAKER_01: Way they were executed as well.
50:34
SPEAKER_01: That's what we're trying to do.
50:35
SPEAKER_01: I think we're gonna remember this.
50:36
SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's try it.
50:37
SPEAKER_01: It's more of a test for us.
50:38
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say, okay, now the time.
50:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm like literally feeling the sleep thing, too.
50:41
SPEAKER_01: Okay, William Wallace, 1305.
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SPEAKER_01: He had a messy one.
50:46
SPEAKER_01: He was drawn in quarters, so he had the whole shebang.
50:50
SPEAKER_01: In Scotland.
50:50
SPEAKER_01: In Scotland.
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SPEAKER_01: Or was he brought to London for the execution?
50:53
SPEAKER_01: Good job.
50:55
SPEAKER_02: He was arrested in Scotland, brought to London.
50:57
SPEAKER_02: Remember.
50:58
SPEAKER_02: And then Joan of Arc, last episode.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, she was executed in 1431, and she was uh executed in Paris.
51:08
SPEAKER_01: Was it in Paris?
51:09
SPEAKER_01: I know it was in France.
51:10
SPEAKER_01: No, it was oh my gosh, this is like really a test on us.
51:13
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't.
51:13
SPEAKER_01: Maybe we shouldn't do that.
51:14
SPEAKER_01: Maybe we don't do the location.
51:16
SPEAKER_02: The location's a little bit harder.
51:17
SPEAKER_02: Okay, anyway.
51:18
SPEAKER_02: France, just say France.
51:19
SPEAKER_02: 1431, and uh she was burned alive.
51:22
SPEAKER_01: Burned at the stake.
51:23
SPEAKER_01: Burned at the stake.
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SPEAKER_01: Richard Roos, 1531, in London.
51:27
SPEAKER_01: This is a King Henry VIII execution, our our only, probably ever, person who was boiled alive for trying to poison the bishop.
51:37
SPEAKER_01: The bishop.
51:38
SPEAKER_02: Right, Bishop Fisher.
51:39
SPEAKER_02: Um after Richard Roos, it's Elizabeth Barton, 1534.
51:43
SPEAKER_02: Um, she was the one who was the nun of Kent, um, and she was hanged in London for being a false prophet.
51:51
SPEAKER_01: Right.
51:51
SPEAKER_01: Also, I love all these 1500 ones, they're all basically King Henry stuff.
51:55
SPEAKER_01: All tutor stuff.
51:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, Margaret Pohl, 1541, had a botched beheading, took a couple swings there, and that was also in London with good old Henry VIII.
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SPEAKER_02: Did you say the date?
52:07
SPEAKER_02: 1541.
52:08
SPEAKER_02: 1541.
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SPEAKER_02: And then at 1542, next year, Katie Howard, Catherine Howard.
52:12
SPEAKER_02: Henry was busy.
52:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Henry had a lot of people to murder.
52:15
SPEAKER_02: Um she was beheaded uh for adultery in London.
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SPEAKER_02: Tower of London.
52:20
SPEAKER_01: Um then Henry dies, and now we're dealing with Elizabeth.
52:24
SPEAKER_01: And next up it was Mary Queen of Scots, 1587, um, in London.
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SPEAKER_01: Another botched beheading took a couple swings, and that was for being a traitor against Elizabeth I.
52:37
SPEAKER_02: Treason.
52:37
SPEAKER_02: Treason.
52:38
SPEAKER_02: High treason.
52:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then we fast forward a bit to 1671, which is Denka Razin.
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SPEAKER_02: He is our uh Russian pirate, who we like that we like to call.
52:48
SPEAKER_02: Um, and he was Ooh, drawn and quartered?
52:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was drawn and quartered.
52:53
SPEAKER_01: He was drawn accorded as well.
52:54
SPEAKER_01: Because they didn't finish the whole thing, remember?
52:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh, they had to hurry it up because he was like, showing the pew dog to his brother.
52:59
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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SPEAKER_02: Um and he was murdered in Moscow, Red Square.
53:03
SPEAKER_01: Good job.
53:04
SPEAKER_01: That part's not written down.
53:05
SPEAKER_01: We're testing ourselves.
53:06
SPEAKER_01: Okay, our second episode we did was the Salem Witch Trials back with our guitar hero microphones.
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SPEAKER_01: 1692 in, of course, Salem, Massachusetts.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep.
53:16
SPEAKER_01: They were uh hanged, except the one dude was pressed.
53:22
SPEAKER_02: Mole weights.
53:22
SPEAKER_02: Mole weights.
53:23
SPEAKER_02: And then after that was William Kidd in 1701.
53:27
SPEAKER_02: Um he was, I think, arrested in Boston, but he was actually like sent back to London.
53:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh, London's a massive.
53:34
SPEAKER_02: And they they killed him by the gibbet, they stuffed him in the gibbet for the to die of like exposure, essentially.
53:39
SPEAKER_01: Captain William Kidd.
53:41
SPEAKER_01: 1701.
53:43
SPEAKER_01: Uh Marie Antoinette, 1793, of course, in France with the guillotine.
53:48
SPEAKER_01: Our very first episode.
53:50
SPEAKER_02: Which listening back to that quality, man.
53:52
SPEAKER_02: It's a little rough.
53:53
SPEAKER_02: Thanks for sticking with us.
53:54
SPEAKER_01: So painful.
53:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, after uh Marie Antoinette was uh Black Betty, 1807, and that was in Ireland.
54:03
SPEAKER_02: And she was, she died of we think maybe natural causes.
54:07
SPEAKER_02: She was supposed to be hanged, she actually wasn't executed.
54:10
SPEAKER_02: She turned it to be into the executioner, exactly.
54:12
SPEAKER_01: Well, our only one who technically wasn't executed.
54:15
SPEAKER_01: Yep, she's the executioner.
54:16
SPEAKER_01: Um Black Jack Ketchum, 1901.
54:19
SPEAKER_01: That was New Mexico.
54:20
SPEAKER_01: New Mexico.
54:21
SPEAKER_01: New Mexico.
54:22
SPEAKER_01: Um, he was the um like Wild Wild West cowboy robber dude.
54:29
SPEAKER_01: Really doing that.
54:30
SPEAKER_01: We retained a lot.
54:31
SPEAKER_01: Um and he was hanged and it was botched hanging.
54:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, botched hanging.
54:35
SPEAKER_02: Um Matahari, the one we did today, uh, that was 1917, was when she died, and like we said, died by firing squad.
54:42
SPEAKER_02: The Romanovs, 1918, in Russia.
54:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, also firing squad.
54:49
SPEAKER_02: And finally, uh Mussolini, 1947.
54:54
SPEAKER_02: We can't say it, we literally can't find our notes on him, leading us to believe that someone has completely removed him from our lives.
55:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm actually baffled.
55:03
SPEAKER_01: So both Elizabeth and I have a notebook each, and we use the same notebook to take our notes for every episode.
55:10
SPEAKER_01: So you can go through this notebook and it's all in order from each episode.
55:14
SPEAKER_01: Both of us have nothing on Mussolini.
55:16
SPEAKER_01: There's no notes.
55:17
SPEAKER_01: There's no notes.
55:17
SPEAKER_01: But we can't.
55:18
SPEAKER_01: And I for sure took the note, but there's like no pages missing.
55:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
55:21
SPEAKER_01: Like someone that the government came in and took it.
55:23
SPEAKER_01: So they took down all of our Instagram posts about Mussolini.
55:26
SPEAKER_01: We have zero.
55:27
SPEAKER_01: There's no evidence.
55:28
SPEAKER_01: Like the the the episode is still there.
55:30
SPEAKER_01: You can listen to it, but I'm Well, not for long.
55:33
SPEAKER_01: Not after I said that.
55:35
SPEAKER_01: I'm just like really.
55:36
SPEAKER_01: We must, we must have written it someplace else.
55:39
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
55:39
SPEAKER_01: Both of us?
55:40
SPEAKER_01: Both of us?
55:41
SPEAKER_01: Strange.
55:42
SPEAKER_02: I'm just really confused.
55:43
SPEAKER_02: Keep an eye out.
55:44
SPEAKER_02: Keep an eye out.
55:45
SPEAKER_01: We're not crazy.
55:46
SPEAKER_01: We're not making this up.
55:47
SPEAKER_01: Something weird's going on.
55:48
SPEAKER_01: Um all right, and that concludes our timeline check.
55:52
SPEAKER_01: I know.
55:53
SPEAKER_02: What a good way to wrap up the year.
55:55
SPEAKER_02: I know.
55:55
SPEAKER_02: Way to yeah, end this hellish year of 2020.
55:59
SPEAKER_02: We'll be back in the new year.
56:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh, excited for our next execution.
56:03
SPEAKER_02: And uh everyone stay safe in the holidays.
56:06
SPEAKER_02: You have to travel, be very safe when you travel.
56:08
SPEAKER_02: It's still COVID time, so Yes.
56:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, any final words?
56:12
SPEAKER_02: Not today.