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Mega Edition: Leon Black And The Attempt To Change The Narrative Surrounding HIs Epstein Ties (7/3/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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On today's episode, we're going to continue talking about Leon
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Black and his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Now we're learning
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that on top of the one hundred and fifty eight
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million that he gave to Jeffrey Epstein for quote unquote
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tax advice, he also gave him another ten million on
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top of that, and then after he gave him that
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ten million, well that same year, he also paid hush
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money to one of his accusers, guzelle Ganieva that same month.
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So let's dive into this article from the Daily Mail
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and let's see what's going on. Headline, Leon Black gave
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Jeffrey Epstein's charity ten million dollars on top of the
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one hundred and fifty eight million he paid for tax advice.
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In the same year, rape accuser kuzel Ganieva received hush
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money payments from and He Trust. This article was authored
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by Jen Smith. Yet more financial ties between Leon Black
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and Jeffrey Epstein have been uncovered. On top of the
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one hundred and fifty eight million dollars he paid them
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for tax advice and sixty two million he gave the
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US Virgin Island prosecutors to avoid being involved in litigation
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against the late pedophiles of State. So look the whole
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entire narrative that Leon Black was just another client of
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Jeffrey Epstein. We know that's a bunch of bs. And
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every time we get more information such as this, it's
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just more icing on top of the cake. A lengthy
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air mail investigation published this weekend also reveals that in
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twenty fifteen, Black donated ten million dollars took Gratitude America,
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a charity run by Jeffrey Epstein with the vague mission
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of supporting the depression of gratitude for the ideals of
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America whatever that means. It's just like those idiots who
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wrap themselves in a flag and then go around and
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talk about all kinds of unconstitutional bullshit. Stop it already, okay,
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Gratitude America. The only thing Jeffrey Epstein was ever grateful
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for was that his buddies in powerful positions let him
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do what he was doing. Besides that, dude isn't grateful
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for shit. And yet this it was the only donation
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that the charity had received at the time, despite having
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existed for three years. So this quote unquote charity is
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in existence for over three years, but they never receive
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even one donation, and then out of the blue, there's
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a ten million dollar donation from Leon Black, only for
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us to find out that same month that Guzelle Ganieva
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received a hush money payment. Yeah, nothing to see here, folks,
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just another big, gigantic coincidence, I guess. In the same month,
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guzel Ganieva, a Russian model who was Black's mistress, received
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the first of what was supposed to be many one
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hundred thousand dollars monthly payments to stay quiet about their relationship.
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So basically, what he was doing was funneling this money
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to Jeffrey Epstein so that Epstein could take care of
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paying off all of his hush money payments. That's what
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it looks like. Now he'll say it was about tax
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advice and this, that and the other thing. But does
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anyone really believe that, any of you out there who
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have been following this case, do you truly believe that
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Leon Black was piecing off Epstein to the tune of, oh,
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I don't know, one hundred and seventy million roughly just
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for advice. Sounds a bit strange. From one of the
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guys who is allegedly one of the biggest movers and
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shakers in the financial world. And we're talking about Leon
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Black here, but he's going outside of the company to
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get this advice from somebody like Epstein. How does that
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make sense to anybody? The money came from a mysterious
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e trust, whereas all of the other money she'd received
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from Black was from his bank account. In total, she
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was due to receive twenty million dollars from Black as
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part of their deal. In exchange, she signed an NDA
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agreeing to never speak of their romance, which involved meetups
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at an Upper East Side apartment across the street from
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where Black lives with his wife, Deborah and their children.
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So Leon Black was engaging in a relationship with guzel Ganieva.
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That much is not even disputable. The problem here is
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guzelle Ganieva made some charges, some accusations against Leon Black,
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and those charges didn't stick. They got thrown out in court.
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Now does that mean that Leon Black wasn't up to
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no good? No, it doesn't. And I think that anybody
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who's having somebody sign an NDA, it is probably up
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to no good. Why do you have somebody sign a
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non disclosure agreement over a relationship, unless, of course, you're
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trying to hide something, and that's exactly what Leon Black
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was trying to do. This dude had a wife, had
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a family, and not only did he have a wife
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and a family, but his wife was sick while he's
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out here creeping around with Guzelle Ganieva. Ganievo was given
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extravagant cash gifts, a Steinway piano, and treated to expensive
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evenings out with Black. He had also agreed to help
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her obtain British legal status and was paying for her
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to go to college too. In twenty twenty one, after
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Epstein's death and the Me Too movement that took down
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Harvey Weinstein, who frequently transacted in NDAs with accusers, Donievo
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went public with her rape and harassment allegations. And these
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NDAs were the life blood for people like Harvey Weinstein.
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They would have these girls sign these NDAs and that
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would pretty much give them free reign to abuse them
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as much as they wanted to. And then if you
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went and told anybody, well, look you were in a
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relationship with him. You guys had a financial agreement. So
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I don't even know what you're talking about. That's basically
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what they would try to say, and that's why people
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like Leon Black would enter into one of these NDAs.
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Do you think that you have the money to enter
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into an NDA with somebody? Furthermore, do you think the
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girl you met on Tinder is going to sign it?
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Of course not. But when you're Leon Black and you're
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a mover and a shaker, well you got enough dough
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that you can have somebody sign an NDA and then
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you can abuse them and assault them and do whatever
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you want, and then just refer back to that NDA
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if they ever out. You must be nice to have
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a bunch of dough. She first tweeted her claims, then,
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after he accuser of lying sued for defamation in that lawsuit,
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she shared more details of the affair. They had countless
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meals out in Manhattan, where she said he showed no
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regard or concern for his wife becoming aware of his infidelity. Well,
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why would he care? When you have as much power
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as Leon Black, as much money as Leon Black, you
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could do whatever you want. Obviously, everything's for sale. Remember
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in WWE back in the day, there was a guy
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named the million Dollar Man. Everything has its price that's
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how Leon Black and his buddies in the financial sector
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feel about the whole world, including a price on your life.
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She also described the alleged sexual abuse, though many of
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her specific claims were redacted. She called Black a sadist
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whose sexual proclivities were abnormal. Black publicly admitting his affair
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with Ganieva, which he called foolish, but denied the rape allegations.
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The case was eventually dismissed. Ganeieva's lawsuit is one of
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three to have been directed towards Black by a woman
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who says that he raped her. The other two, filed
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by Sherry Pearson in twenty twenty two and a Jane
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Doe with mesiak Down syndrome who says he raped her
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when she was sixteen, are still being litigated. They both
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say the attacks happened at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion in twenty sixteen,
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a year after he gave Epstein's charity ten million dollars,
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and Ganieva received the first of her one hundred thousand
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dollars payments from the E Trust. Money was transferred back
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from Epstein to Black, according to Airmel, and these sort
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of little innocuous transactions back and forth from Jeffrey Epstein
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to Leon Black. They might not look like anything, but
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in the grand scheme of things, if this was a
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RICO case, this would all be playing a part, and
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every last dollar that these idiots were trading would be
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part of the overall investigation. And you see why they
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didn't use RICO. I know we talk about it a
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lot here, but it's worth re repeting over and over
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and over again. If they're using RICO on local drug dealers,
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why aren't they using RICO on Jeffrey Epstein's criminal enterprise.
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It was in the form of a donation from Epstein's
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Gratitude America charity to Black's melanoma research charity in the
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amount of two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. Because
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Black was the sole donor to Epstein's charity, he effectively
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donated funds to his own organization. Yeah, that's called money laundering. Okay.
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Did he pay taxes on it? I highly doubt any
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taxes were paid whatsoever. There is also a reference to
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additional five million dollars Black is said to have donated
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to Gratitude America, but the only proof of it is
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in a letter of thanks from the charity, prompting questions
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of whether he did indeed pay the donation and crucially,
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if he claimed it as a tax deduction. Yes, that's
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where you should be looking. You want to take down
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people like this, there there's one way to do it.
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Follow the money, because inevitably all of these rich people
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are up to no good. All of them are cutting corners,
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they're all insider trading, all of that shit. You think
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you get this rich by being an honest and upstanding citizen.
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Caribbean prosecutors say Epstein's criminal enterprise hinged on money stored
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in Southern Trust Company from twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen.
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The total was one hundred fifty eight million, the same
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Black had given Epstein between twenty twelve and twenty seventeen.
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Blacks ties with Epstein are being more closely scrutinized now
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in light of not just the lawsuit filed by Jane Doe,
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but also the one hundred and fifty eight million dollars
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he paid Epstein for tax advice. The Senate Finance Committee
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is investigating whether Black met his tax obligations through the payments.
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Why Black a titan of Wall Street with his own
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front would seek such advice from Epstein, whose own financial
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credentials were far less impressive, remains a mystery to many. Well,
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finally people are catching up. How long have I said this?
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We're talking about Bill Belichick here going to ask advice
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about football from a high school coach. That's the equivalency.
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So why is it happening and wiselyon Black asking somebody
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like Epstein to get involved in his financials, That's the
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real question people should be asking. Black's representatives have always
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maintained that the payments were legitimate, that he trusted Epstein foolishly,
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and that he was never involved in Epstein's sex trafficking
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of young girls. He has been given until September one
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to cooperate with the Senate Finance Committee investigation. Well, I'll
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reserve my judgment on this Senate investigation until we see
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more from them. But every other quote unquote Senate look
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at Jeffrey Epstein and his friends has been nothing more
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than perfunctory. And unfortunately, I don't have that high of
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hopes for this one either. All Right, folks, that's gonna
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do it for this one. All of the information that
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goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein chronicles.
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I know there's not a lot of money in the
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world of a public defender or working as a prosecutor
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compared to what their buddies are making over in the
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private sector. But how is it okay that somebody who
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is prosecuting somebody one day can the next day be
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that person's lawyer. How is there no safeguards in place
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to stop that sort of thing from happening? And there
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obviously is nothing in place to stop it, considering we
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see it all the time. We saw it with Bruce
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Reinhart down in Palm Beach as a prosecutor one day
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prosecuting Jeffrey Epstein, to the next day working as a
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lawyer for his co conspirators. And we see it again
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here in New York as the same thing's happening with
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Leon Black. You need to tell me, with all the
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laws that these people cook up down in Washington, d C.
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There's no law against this. You can't jaywalk, But if
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you're a prosecutor, you can quit your job and go
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and work for the person you were prosecuting. Can somebody
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please make any of that make sense. Today's article is
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from the Daily News headline X NYC prosecutor who investigated
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Leon Black sex allegations hired by firm representing him against
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rape accuser. Yeah, nothing to see here of folks, Just
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keep it moving. This article was authored by Molly Crane Newman,
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a Manhattan prosecutor who investigated billionaire Leon Black, has been
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hired by the law representing him against his rape accusers
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civil suit against him. I mean, look, even if this
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person goes and steps into their new position right and
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doesn't give them any information about this case, is anyone
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going to believe that? I mean, for real, It's just
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like with Brian Hart. Nobody buys that, at least nobody
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who's not biased. Anyway. You mean to tell me this
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guy didn't walk into that office and have some intimate
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knowledge of what was going on. Okay? Sure, And the
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same goes here for Joan Alusi Orbans. She's out here
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working to try and prosecute Leon Black and then all
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of a sudden ends up working for the law firm
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that he has hired. Yep, everything is on the up
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and up, folks. Joan elusy Orban's new job at high
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end boutique law firm Perry Guha enraged lawyers for guzelle Ganieva,
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who is suing Black in Manhattan Supreme Court sexual assault
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and defamation. Well, I'd be pissed off if I was
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the lawyer too. You're out here up against it as
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it is, dealing with one of the most rich, powerful people,
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not only in New York but in the whole world.
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And now you want to stack the deck against me
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because you want to have an ex prosecutor or working
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for you, and not just an ex prosecutor, but somebody
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who was working on this case. Now, if it was
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somebody that's, you know, in the prosecutor's office, perhaps the
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fifty steps away never had any intimate knowledge of the case. Okay,
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that's one thing. But stepping right out of your prosecutorial
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shoes and into your defense attorney shoes to a case
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that you were looking at, How is there no ethics
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situation here? That's an ethical move? Certainly doesn't look ethical
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to me, and gazelle Ganieva's lawyers don't feel like it's
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ethical either, Honey of his lawyers, say Alousy Orbont, who
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left the Manhattan District's office in January, led an investigation
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into potential criminal charges against the former CEO of Apollo
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Global Management based on confidential information provided by her and
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another anonymous accuser. So you see where the lawyer's issue
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is here. Right, You have somebody who has intimate knowledge
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of the workings of this case against Leon Black, so
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they have an idea on what's going on as far
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as the overall case, criminal perspective and civil. So you
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bring this person on board because you know that they
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have this intimate knowledge, and you know that with your money, well,
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you can manipulate a situation and get whatever lawyer you want.
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If it's somebody who's on the prosecution, ah, that's all right.
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You got enough money to dangle in front of their face,
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they're going to get on board. And anyone who thinks
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that's not the case, well, I don't know what to
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tell you. Just take a look at all of these
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ex prosecutors who are now defense attorneys, and I don't
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knock them for that. That's a good move on their part. Right,
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take the experience you learned as a prosecutor and become
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a defense attorney. That's how it should work. If you
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want to collect some dough but to leave a case
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the way that Joan a lousy or bonded and then
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to jump right into the same case basically but on
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the other side of the street. That is not ethical
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in my opinion, and there needs to be some sort
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of safeguards against things like that. How would you feel
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if it was you, I wouldn't be very happy to
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know that an next prosecutor who was working to take
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Leon Black down is now working on his team. Her attorney,
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Jean Christensen, asked to judge to force the firm to
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withdraw from the case. No survivor will feel safe disclosing
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their confidential information to government lawyers if they know that
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their confidence can be used to help defend the same
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man that they alleged sexually harmed them, said Christiansen. Is
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she wrong, like, honestly, is she wrong? Here? This is
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like a slap in the face of just the whole
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entire system itself. And then you wonder why people are
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out here telling you that the game is rigged. You
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want to talk about a two tier justice system, You're
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looking at it right here. It's absurd that something like
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this could even take place. A spokesman for Perry Gua
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described the characterization as reprehensible and said Alusi Orbin immediately
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recused herself from the case upon learning of it. Oh well,
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in that case, I'm sure she's not having any conversations
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with her buddies. You know, there's no scuttle but going
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on around the water cooler. Mum's the word and all.
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Alusi Orbon, a thirty three year DA office veteran who
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prosecuted Harvey Weinstein in twenty twenty, defended her ethics. She
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declined to comment on probing Black Well, that's probably in
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her best interest. And while she might want to defend
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her ethics here on the outside looking in, it doesn't
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look good at all. And it's just another black mark
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against the New York Prosecutor's Office in general. You see
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when I tell you that, I feel like they're a
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bunch of self serving people over there. That's how I
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truly feel. And it's a shame because the SDNY used
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to be the standard bearer for what justice was. We're
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talking about the office that went after the mafia. We're
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talking about the office that has brought down some of
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the most powerful criminals in the whole world, and they've
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devolved into this. So really They should be happy that
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people like me are calling them out so that they
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can get their shit together and get back to doing
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what they do best, and that's, you know, capturing real criminals.
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Not only have I spent three decades of my life
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fighting for survivors, but I have done nothing that It
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isn't one hundred percent proper, She told The Daily News,
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saying she plans to continue her advocacy in civil practice.
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Oh well, in that case, everything's all good. Here. The
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point is this, if you want to join this law firm,
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that's all fine and well, but you can't wait a
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minute until this case is over and done with, because
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all you're doing is making the optics of everything look
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even worse. And it just once again shows us that
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there's no safeguards in place when it comes to the
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people playing in the system. Right, we're on the outside
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looking in, you and I. But if you're on the
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inside here you're a prosecutor, you're a judge. Forget it.
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This sky's the limit for how you can manipulate things
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to your benefit. I am working with the best people
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I know, and I am very proud of it. I
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lose the orbon added, there's nothing here nothing to see
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at all, Just keep moving. How dare you question her ethics?
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She's worked in this business for thirty years defending survivors.
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Until you weren't defending survivors. It's all about securing that bag.
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And look again, I'm not upset with people secure in
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a bag. And if she was working for a law
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firm that was defending Keith Rayniery or R. Kelly or whatever, fine,
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great have that it enjoy your new found riches. But
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I find the ethical issues here a little too much
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to stomach. And then the excuses on top of that,
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Oh well, it's not gonna affect this. I'm accused from that.
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I mean. Kanieva's June twenty twenty one lawsuit accuses black
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Worth an estimated nine point three billion of subjecting her
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to non consensual, sadistic sexual acts that were physically painful
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throughout a seven year relationship built on coercive manipulation that
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started in two thousand and eight. Now do I know
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for a fact that any of this happened? No, I
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do not. But that's why we're going to have this trial, right,
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That's why we're having these perceis and having an ex
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prosecutor who was working on the case now part of
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the defense miraculously showing up. Well, that's an impediment, folks. Okay,
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that makes things a lot more difficult, and it makes
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it a lot more difficult to ascertain what really went on,
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because remember, once again, they're not paying for these lawyers
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for what they do in the courtroom. They're paying for
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these lawyers for who they know and what they can
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manage out on the golf course, if you get my drift. Black,
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who has not been criminally accused of wrongdoing, has described
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his relationship with Ganieva as a consensual, extra marital affair
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and claims she's trying to extort them as part of
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a conspiracy. So he says that this is all about
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money and she's just a jaded ex lover. That's Leon
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Black's defense. She also claims Black once tried, without success,
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to make her sleep with disgraced financier pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
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So you see why we talk about it, right, there's
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a lot of overlap here. Obviously, Leon Black being the
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patron saint of Jeffrey Epstein. Miss Ganieva saying that Leon
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Black tried to get her to sleep with Jeffrey Epstein.
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So there's a lot of overlap here, and then you
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add to it the sauce that Leon Black was one
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of Epstein's best boys one hundred and fifty eight million bucks. Well,
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better believe you're on the radars. Sir Black, who retired
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in twenty twenty one, has question swirled about his friendship
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with Epstein, is appealing a judge's decision to toss his
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countersuit against Ganieva. The suit accused the Russian model of
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colluding with his business rivals to extort them. Well, that
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didn't work out so well, and the judge tossed his shit. Said, look,
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you're this isn't based in reality, okay, and I'm not
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going to let you bully people. A representative for the
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Powerful Investment Investment matter said he had not heard from
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the DA's office in eighteen months and claims prosecutors are
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probing his extortion claims against Ganieva. They probably are. Look,
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they're probably looking at every angle of the case. Right.
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If they're smart and they're doing their job correctly, that's
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what they should be doing. The Manhattan's DA's office, which
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has been called out for going easy on high profile men,
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accused of sexual assault, would not comment or confirm whether
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it's investigating Black or Ganieva spokeswoman Emily Tuttle said the
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office takes its confidentiality mandate extremely seriously and survivors should
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view it as a safe place to report crime. Well, okay, whatever,
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but the fact still remains that you have ex prosecutors
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who think it's a good idea to hop ship and
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work on the very cases that they were prosecuting. So
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I don't know how anyone can think that's okay, or
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how anyone can be okay with that sort of nonsense,
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because when I look at it, all I see is
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more corruption. All I see is more nepotism, And all
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I see is another group of rich and powerful people
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manipulating the system and harnessing their great power and wealth
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to get things to fall their way, while the rest
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of us are out here, you know, begging and scraping
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for even a halfway competent chance in the legal system. Right,
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But Leon Black, while he's being prosecuted or looked at
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for prosecution, I should say, can go and recruit a
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prosecutor get them to jump ship or get her to
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jump ship. Excuse me and come on board to defend them,
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and we all know what it is. It all comes
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down to the almighty dollar. But for me, I don't
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find this to be ethically decent and I think that
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the miss orbon here should have nothing to do with
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this case. Now she says she's recused, and that's what
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the law office says, but her meaning Miss Kanieva, her
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lawyers are not happy about any of it. So we're
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gonna have to see how this all breaks down. But
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in my humble opinion, this is certainly an unethical move
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and the kind of move that needs to be looked at.
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description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the
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Epstein Chronicles. Whenever you're talking about Jeffrey Epstein's buddies, there's
26:47
one man that you most certainly have to add to
26:50
the conversation, and that person is Leon Black. Well, now
26:54
Leon Black has opened up about his relationship with Jeffrey
26:58
Epstein in an interview with Puck, and honestly, everything he
27:02
says in the interview pretty much just makes me roll
27:05
my eyes. I don't believe for a second that a
27:09
man like Leon Black had no idea why one hundred
27:13
and sixty plus million was being spent with Epstein. I
27:16
just don't believe it. Do you think guys like this
27:18
get rich by misplacing one hundred million dollars plus? The
27:22
answer is no. And anyone believing this guy's BS, well,
27:27
I don't know what to tell you. Today's article is
27:29
from The Daily Beast and the headline leon Black finally
27:33
opens up about his pal Jeffrey Epstein. This article was
27:37
authored by Kate Bricklett. Billionaire Leon Black is speaking out
27:43
about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein for the first time
27:45
since resigning from his private equity firm, claiming the famous
27:49
men in the sex traffickers circle likely didn't know that
27:53
Jeffrey Epstein was a pedophile. I mean, you know, that
27:56
first arrest that wouldn't have tipped you off or anything,
27:59
considering their a bunch of little girls that were brought
28:01
to his house. But nah, just keep on keeping on
28:05
with your dumbass narrative. And to be clear, Leon Black
28:08
kept a relationship with Epstein even after the first arrest,
28:11
So don't tell me you didn't know. Save that shit
28:14
for somebody else. The ex Apollo ceo, whose relationship with
28:19
Epstein tarnished his name and led the lawsuits accusing him
28:22
of sexual abuse exclusively, sat down with Pucks William Cohen
28:26
to defend his reputation amid continued scrutiny over his relationship
28:31
with the late sex offender. Cohen wrote that the seventy
28:34
two year old mogul grabbed a piece of paper from
28:36
his sue jacket in the middle of their lunch with
28:39
his PR team and scribbled a bunch of names of
28:42
people who also hung out with Epstein at one time
28:45
or another, black listed former Presidents Clinton and Trump, billionaires
28:50
Mard Zuckerman, Reed Hoffman, and Tom Pritzker, as well as
28:53
Epstein's old JP Morgan buddy, Jess Staley, an academic nom Chomsky.
28:59
So what does that mean? You're just outing all your
29:01
buddies as fellow travelers. Bro, That's not the flex you
29:04
think it is, especially considering what we know about a
29:07
lot of those people. Anyone who's out here talking about
29:11
Bill Clinton like he's a good guy should get slapped
29:14
directly in the chops. And the fact that the Democratic
29:17
Party's trotting this dude out like it's a good idea
29:20
is going to be met with extreme prejudice, I promise
29:24
you that. And what's the deal with the Biden administration
29:27
bringing aboard Epstein's homies. We had Bill Richardson involved in
29:31
the Britney Griner negotiations. We have the current head of
29:35
the CIA who was having lunch with Jeffrey Epstein. Now
29:38
you're bringing back Bill Clinton. Yeah, that's a good look.
29:41
And the sad part is there's people on the left
29:43
that are going to defend that, Oh, Bill Clinton's a
29:45
great guy. He was never man. Shut up. That line
29:48
of thinking is do way around these parts. I'm not,
29:52
in any way, shape or form defending Jeffrey Black, who
29:55
knew Epstein since the mid nineteen nineties, told Cohen, I'm
29:58
defending me. I don't believe any of these guys knew
30:01
that Jeffrey was a pedophile. I certainly didn't. So let
30:05
me bring up all these other people, let me name drop,
30:07
and then I'll engage in some what about ism. So
30:11
you don't know one way or the other what they
30:13
knew or what they didn't know. I thought he was
30:15
a fascinating guy, so yeah, I spend time with him.
30:17
I'd go up have lunch or breakfast with him because
30:20
I lived two blocks from him, and we would talk
30:23
about tax and estate planning and financial things. I'm sure
30:26
that's all you guys ever talked about. I'm sure you
30:29
guys never talked about anything else while you were hanging out.
30:32
It was all on the up and up, and i'll
30:33
all had to do with tax and estate planning, never
30:36
had to do with women, right ever. Black added that
30:40
he dined at Epstein's New York mansion with others including
30:43
director Woody Allen, TV host Dick Cavitt, and Trump's far
30:48
right strategist Steve Bannon. Does he think he's dunking on
30:51
somebody with that? Steve Bannon's another undesirable another person who
30:55
was in Jeffrey Epstein's orbit. You see, here's the difference
30:59
between me and the rest of these clowns who profess
31:02
that they care about justice. Everybody who was involved, I
31:05
don't care about the letter next to your name. You
31:08
need to be held to account. And that goes for
31:11
all of the faiths that all these people love to protect.
31:14
You know, the same people who are calling for accountability
31:17
when it was alex Acosta. All those people have slithered
31:20
back into their holes. Or maybe they're just too busy
31:23
worrying about Gaza. Everybody looks at it through the lens
31:27
of this is public enemy number one for being a pedophile.
31:30
He was smart, and I thought that he performed services
31:33
for a bunch of his associates. Yes, and he was
31:36
a bit offbeat in counterculture and eccentric. Yes, Black continued,
31:40
Is this guy really out here saying this? So? In
31:42
essence his defense of his relationship with that Stein is
31:46
everybody else was doing it. Okay, great, good for you,
31:49
Leon Black. So that makes you as big of a
31:51
scumbag as everybody else. As The Daily Beast reported, Black
31:56
stepped down from Apollo not long after the company enlisted
31:59
a law firm to independently investigate his relationship with Epstein
32:03
in twenty twenty, as stories about Epstein's sex trafficking scheme
32:07
and his accomplice, Glain Maxwell, continue to make headlines in
32:11
the wake of Epstein's twenty nineteen arrest and Jelhouse death.
32:15
Black fended off questions from the media and investors about
32:19
his entanglements with him. The Apollo probe, which Black now
32:23
claims he requested, found that Black paid Epstein one hundred
32:26
and fifty eight million dollars between twenty twelve and twenty
32:30
seventeen for his state and tax planning advice, and portrayed
32:33
a relationship much deeper than Black had publicly described. Yeah,
32:37
it's no big deal. Everybody's off base here. Everybody is
32:41
accusing Leon Black, mister billionaire, the victim. And I can't
32:45
help crying into my top rahmen with laughter every time
32:49
one of these billionaires tries to set themselves up as
32:52
some kind of victim. I mean, for real, for real bros.
32:55
Never worked a real day in his life, busy sending
32:58
his goons to harass his accusers. And he's going to
33:01
sit here and tell us that, well, he just didn't
33:03
know anything about Epstein and he just got roped into it.
33:07
Who's buying that nonsense. The billionaire art collector has denied
33:11
any wrongdoing in connection with Epstein and the allegations that
33:15
he sexually abused women at Epstein's lair. Now as far
33:19
as those allegations of abuse, I don't know. I've said
33:21
that from the beginning. But the other stuff, enabling, hanging
33:26
out with Epstein, helping Epstein's image, all of that, all
33:30
of that shit's true. There's not even a debate, there's
33:33
no allegedly that's what was happening. Still, Black's friendship with
33:37
Epstein has continued to cost him, While he and one
33:41
of his accusers, Sherry Pearson, decided to drop their litigation
33:44
in February. Another woman suit alleging that he raped her
33:48
when she was sixteen, is pending. In January twenty twenty three,
33:52
Black paid the government of the US Virgin Islands sixty
33:55
two and a half million dollars in cash to be
33:58
released from any claims tied to its investigation into Epstein.
34:03
And the fact that the USVII would accept that bag
34:05
to let this dude off the hook tells you everything
34:08
you need to know about the USVII and how serious
34:11
they are or not about justice. How long have I
34:15
told you, folks that remember all the people out there
34:17
talking about how Denise George is some hero and the
34:20
rest of it, Well, guess what they were wrong. The settlement,
34:24
according to the Times stated that it should not be
34:27
interpreted as an admission of liability. So what was it
34:30
a shakedown? Extortion? If you're not liable, then why are
34:33
you paying out sixty two and a half million dollars.
34:36
One of Epstein's victims settlement with the financiers of State
34:39
included a carve out provision allowing her to pursue claims
34:43
against Staley and Black. Cohen asked what went through Black's
34:47
mind after Epstein's two thousand and six arrest for soliciting
34:51
a prostitute, which preceded a federal sex trafficking probe into
34:55
Epstein's abuse of miners and a sweetheart deal and the
34:58
US Attorney's office in Miami that led to a cushy
35:01
jail sentence. Black replied that he believed Epstein when he
35:05
got caught up with a seventeen year old prostitute who
35:08
lied about her age and didn't view it as the
35:10
end of the world. Well, that tells me everything I
35:12
need to know about Leon Black. And why is Jeffrey
35:15
Epstein out here picking up prostitutes allegedly off the street.
35:20
Dude has more money than God. Bring in an escort,
35:23
Bring in somebody who does it for a living. You
35:25
were out here trollin looking for little girls. Bro, Just
35:29
be honest about what you are. And Leon Black over here,
35:32
still trying to defend his friend Jeffrey Epstein, not doing
35:35
himself any favors. I took it seriously, Black said, But
35:39
I didn't take it that seriously. I mean he was
35:42
with a seventeen year old prostitute, got prosecuted for it
35:45
and got put away for a year. The billionaire added,
35:48
and you know, according to him, even that person had
35:51
shown an id that she wasn't underage. My feeling is
35:55
there are serious things and there are things that are
35:57
less serious. I didn't think this was the end of
35:59
the life world. Frankly, so, a seventeen year old girl
36:03
who was underage under the age of consent in Florida,
36:06
by the way, and Epstein's having relations with her is
36:10
no big deal to Leon Black. Chances are Leon Black
36:14
is the same kind of sick fuck in my opinion.
36:16
Now run home and tell that. And remember, we're not
36:19
talking about a nineteen year old and a seventeen year old.
36:21
We're not talking about a twenty year old and a
36:23
seventeen year old. You know, people who were in high
36:25
school together. We're talking about old ass, gross ass, cripkeeper
36:29
looking dudes who were all fellow travelers. In my opinion,
36:35
Black insisted that he stayed close with other wealthy people
36:38
who went to jail. Lifestyle guru Martha Stewart, financier Michael Milkin,
36:43
and South Bee's owner Alfred Todman. We're still friends. They
36:47
all went to jail. I didn't think being with a
36:49
seventeen year old prostitute who said that she had proof
36:52
she was over seventeen was that big of a deal. Well,
36:55
if any of that was true, don't you think that
36:57
would have came up in court and your boy would
36:59
have got off. Nobody showed any id. In fact, if
37:03
she would have showed an idea that said she's seventeen,
37:05
chances are old boy would to try and find a
37:07
younger girl. And as far as being friends with people
37:10
who have been to jail, there's a big difference in
37:12
being friends with somebody who went to jail for whatever
37:16
charge and then somebody who's accused of molesting little girls.
37:20
Because let's not try and reinvent history here. Even back
37:23
during this time period that Leon Black's talking about, these
37:27
rumors were there, These allegations were there, and Leon Black
37:31
making pretend that none of that's true. Is him trying
37:35
to rewrite history and his bitch ass isn't gonna get
37:38
away with that, at least not here on this podcast.
37:42
Black said that he first met Epstein in nineteen ninety
37:44
six through Wall Street polymath Elliott Skipstein Junior, and learned
37:49
he was a Rockefeller University appointee member of the Council
37:52
on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission and hung out
37:56
with a host of high powered people, including Israeli politicians
38:00
Elwood Barock. Now, none of that is the flex that
38:03
you think it is. Once again, being a member of
38:07
the CFR, while that automatically elevates you to scumbaggery if
38:11
you're asking me and the Trilateral Commission, really we're gonna
38:14
go there. Oh but you know he hung out with
38:16
Edwood Barrock, so everything's all gully. Really, Edward Barrock's another scumbag.
38:22
So in my opinion, Leon Black is doing himself no
38:25
favors in this interview. Epstein would earn a spot on
38:29
Black's family foundation and help them avoid tax liabilities aka
38:34
avoid taxes like all rich people do, meaning stash your
38:38
money by art and put it in places where the
38:41
government can't touch it. Meanwhile, all of you better have
38:44
all of your taxes paid up by April fifteenth. Black
38:49
called Epstein an intriguing figure who was almost like a
38:52
James Bond villain because all his staff were good looking women.
38:55
Not under age, black at it, but good looking. How
38:58
do you know did idea all of them? Did you
39:00
take a look at Virginia's id? How about Hailey Robson's?
39:05
How about all of the unnamed girls we never heard about?
39:07
Did you look at their IDs? You dumb fucking moron.
39:11
The billionaire noted that he wants flu on Epstein's jet
39:14
to Boston with two of his children to visit Harvard
39:17
and MIT, and that his pilot was a beautiful girl
39:20
with blonde hair down to her waist in a black turtleneck.
39:25
One alleged co conspirator of Epstein, who after Epstein's twenty
39:29
nineteen arrest came forward as a victim, was a trained pilot.
39:32
It's unclear if she's the individual Black met. Yeah, chances
39:36
are it's Nail Marsinchenko who he's talking about here. And
39:40
that's a whole different story for another time, Nadia is
39:43
one of the most tragic situations that we run across
39:47
in Epstein's whole entire sorded, bitch ass life turns. In
39:52
the interview, Black seemed to paint himself as a victim,
39:55
as news outlets, including The New York Times ferreted it
39:59
out his payments to Epstein. Black ass the Apollo board
40:02
to hire an outside law firm to review his ties
40:05
to the trafficker. I'm the only one who asked for
40:08
the investigation to be done. What a schmuck of my
40:11
relationship with Epstein, Black told Cohen. I asked for it
40:15
because I knew I had done nothing wrong. Goddamn, the
40:18
revisionist history is too much. You've done nothing wrong. Okay,
40:21
sit for a deposition. The January twenty twenty one report
40:26
from Deckert LLP stated that it uncovered no evidence that
40:30
Black or any employee of the Family Office or Apollo
40:33
was involved in any way with Epstein's criminal activities at
40:36
any time. There is no evidence at Epstein ever introduced
40:39
Black or offered to introduce Black to any underage women.
40:43
I don't buy it. Sorry, I do not buy that. Okay. Now,
40:47
I'm not saying Black engaged in any relations. But if
40:50
he was around Epstein this much, that whole entire storyline
40:54
is out the window. Deckert also noted that in early
40:58
twenty seventeen, Black man two loans to Epstein totaling thirty
41:02
and a half million in connection with an art transaction
41:05
involving Epstein. Epstein would repay only ten million, despite Black's
41:09
repeated demands for reimbursement. Stop it, okay, just I will
41:13
lets Wexner stop it. That money that you say he stole,
41:17
or you'd get reimbursed for that was his fee to
41:20
stash your money off shore. Do you think we're stupid,
41:23
Well maybe some people are, but here on this podcast,
41:26
you're not gonna be able to out hustle me. Bro.
41:28
You are not gonna out hustle a hustler. Okay, save
41:32
that bullshit your pitching for one of these jerkofs from
41:34
fancy lad school. Black even told Cohen that before Apollo's investigation,
41:39
he never kept track of how much money he was
41:41
paying the convicted pervert. He had credibility in my eyes,
41:45
and we did a bunch of things, but the paying
41:47
of Epstein was never tallied, and frankly, that number that
41:51
came out was much bigger than I had thought because
41:54
I don't follow in my family office everything. Black claimed, Yeah,
41:58
you get this rich by not knowing where hunt undreds
42:00
of millions go. And you can say that it's implausible.
42:03
Oh don't worry. That's exactly what we're saying, mister Black.
42:06
How is this possible that this financial genius could throw
42:09
away these amounts of money? There must be something more there. Yeah,
42:12
I get it, but there isn't. So you're not as
42:15
smart as you told us you were. Is that what
42:16
you're saying? You're not one of the smartest men in
42:19
the room, because for all these years, all we heard
42:21
about was how great Leon Black is and what a
42:24
financial genius he is, And in fact what you are
42:28
is just a gigantic jackass. Black's bond with Epstein, Cohen writes,
42:34
wasn't enough to end his relationship with Apollo. Instead, the
42:37
falling out arrived after Guzel Ganieva, a Russian former model
42:41
he dated, filed a lawsuit accusing him of rape and
42:44
sexual violence. In turn, Black accused her of extortion, saying
42:48
he'd paid her millions during and after their affair. The
42:52
world is an ugly place, Black told Cohen and it's
42:55
a beautiful place. Okay, it's both. Well, why did you
42:59
cheat on your wife who was sick in the first place.
43:01
You would have never found yourself in the situation you
43:03
did with guzel Ganiyeva if you would have just kept
43:06
your dick in your pants. But no, you can't even
43:09
do that, right, No honor amongst these people. There isn't
43:12
one shred of honor to be found amongst the billionaire class.
43:16
And I'm convinced of that. This has been a terrible
43:19
experience for the last two and a half years. Black added,
43:22
I mean to have spent forty years building up a
43:25
stellar reputation and then believing in excellence and everything that
43:28
I've done is about excellence, and then to have a
43:31
torn apart based on lies, fabrication. Me too woke, and
43:35
I'm a huge believer in woman's causes. It's surreal. Oh yeah,
43:38
you're such a big believer. And the funniest part is
43:42
none of that has anything to do with what happened,
43:44
you know what. The whole entire problem is here. Now,
43:48
try and stick with me. It's very complicated. The fact
43:51
that Leon Black was hanging out with a child molester
43:55
that's your problem, sir. None of the other stuff, not
43:57
that you got called out on it, not that you
43:59
lost your job, not that people were being mean to you,
44:02
the fact that you were not only hanging out with
44:04
a child molester, but you were enabling him. So you
44:07
want victimhood, my friend? Do you want to see what
44:09
a real victim looks like? Just take a look at
44:11
the women who were abused in the hundreds, maybe thousands
44:15
by Epstein. You know what a victim doesn't look like. Well,
44:19
a victim doesn't look like a billionaire name Leon Black.
44:23
All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one.
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