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Patriots Unfiltered 10/27: Bears Breakdown, Injury Updates, Week 7 League Notes · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: I kind of like short weeks.
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  Speaker 4: The amount of cramming that, like, obviously no one.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. Like, I don't matter.
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  Speaker 5: Is there a test? So with Brendan Schooler back, is
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  Speaker 5: Oklahoma in play? You mean the Longhorn package? Is that
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  Speaker 5: what it is?
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  Speaker 2: Like, that's not just a fine.
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  Speaker 6: No.
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  Speaker 2: He's losing a game check.
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  Speaker 7: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: Yep. Well, he should. Animals.
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  Speaker 2: Well, have you ever spit at anybody in your life?
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  Speaker 5: I have. Oh. When I was a kid. Yeah, when
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  Speaker 5: I was a kid. Back in my day, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Crap like that happened on the schoolyard all the time.
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  Speaker 5: On the schoolyard. That's where things were settled.
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  Speaker 2: Frontier justice.
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  Speaker 5: If we were doing the old Dan Shaughnessy head-to-head matchup,
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  Speaker 5: you know, clam chowder versus deep dish pizza, you know,
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  Speaker 5: clam chowder. Would you pay to listen to Kyle Shanahan? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Would you pay to listen to Ben Johnson?
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  Speaker 8: Can I expense it?
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  Speaker 5: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 5: at Gillette Stadium. It seems like a long time since
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots played. A lot has happened in between. But
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  Speaker 5: we're going to talk. We'll go back a little bit
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  Speaker 5: and talk about that Chicago game. And then, Paul, your
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  Speaker 5: friends in Stripes had a really good weekend. I'm sure
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  Speaker 5: you have a lot to talk about there.
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  Speaker 2: They're on fire.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, my God. Even I was upset. It's Evan. It's Paul.
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  Speaker 5: It's me. It's Deuce. It's Matt in the booth.
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  Speaker 2: I was tweeting about it before it even got egregious.
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  Speaker 8: Don't get in trouble like the head coach.
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  Speaker 5: I know. Careful.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get fined.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not even talking about our game. I'm talking about us.
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  Speaker 5: games on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: My game was uneventful.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, comparatively. I think Will Campbell got screwed. But anyway,
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  Speaker 5: all right. Let's talk Patriots football. What? Nothing. Okay.
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  Speaker 9: I am curious because we haven't, even though it's been
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  Speaker 9: a few days, I haven't got a chance to hear
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  Speaker 9: from you and from Evan thoughts on the game. You know,
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  Speaker 9: Mike and I emptied the notebook for two hours post-game.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean... Broke it down.
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  Speaker 2: We did. Broke it down. I think I think I
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  Speaker 2: might have taken a nap in the middle of the postgame.
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  Speaker 5: You said it on the postgame show, Paul. If you're
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  Speaker 5: going to lose a game, this is the game. On
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  Speaker 5: the road, banged up Thursday night. That's the one you
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  Speaker 5: circled and said, this is the game to lose. Obviously,
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots had a chance to win the game, but
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  Speaker 5: I just think they didn't have enough that night. Everyone says, oh, well,
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  Speaker 5: the Drake May interceptions. Well, I think that was negated
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  Speaker 5: by the Ramondre Stevenson crazy touchdown at the end of
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  Speaker 5: the half.
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  Speaker 2: They were fortunate to have a chance at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the game.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, they ultimately fell short.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. So I'm not, you know, I wasn't losing any
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  Speaker 5: sleep from that game. I hope we play him again
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  Speaker 5: this year. You know what that means, right?
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm unfamiliar with it. It'll be in the postseason.
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  Speaker 5: And only one game in the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Probably the Super Bowl. They still do that third
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  Speaker 2: place thing now?
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 9: Now, that would be, I mean, I would say the
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  Speaker 9: one thing that I came away with from a big
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  Speaker 9: pitcher standpoint, forget about the Patriots and the Bears, just
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  Speaker 9: the NFL's got to be thrilled to have these two
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  Speaker 9: young guys go head-to-head in prime time and both play,
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  Speaker 9: you know, I mean, I thought Caleb Williams was really good.
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  Speaker 9: Drake May made, obviously, a big mistake, but he was
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  Speaker 9: really good in the third quarter, man, in that drive. Ev,
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  Speaker 9: I want to get your thoughts on this. I call
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  Speaker 9: the third quarter touchdown drive the best drive of Drake
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  Speaker 9: May's career.
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  Speaker 8: Deuce told me that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I've been getting mocked about it ever since.
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  Speaker 2: I think.
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  Speaker 8: Well, tell.
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  Speaker 5: Why?
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  Speaker 2: I just thought it was basically all... It'd be one thing.
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  Speaker 9: If he just, like, dropped back and threw one of
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  Speaker 9: those perfect 50-yard bombs, you know, dropped it right in
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  Speaker 9: the bucket, which we've seen him do many times. This
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  Speaker 9: was play after play after play.
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  Speaker 2: The pressure's coming. It gets there. He knows where it's
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  Speaker 2: coming from.
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  Speaker 9: He avoids it, and then just makes the right play,
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  Speaker 9: like hits Hunter Henry or hits, you know, Ramondre. Whoever,
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  Speaker 9: you know, nothing, like, nothing that really stood out specifically,
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  Speaker 9: but I thought almost every play... was him, like, just
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  Speaker 9: making a play. He was being him on that drive. And,
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  Speaker 9: you know, the 30, you know, culminated with a beautiful
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  Speaker 9: 30-yard seam route, kind of fittingly, a similar kind of
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  Speaker 9: play as the one he threw the pick on.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 8: Exact same play.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, Redden just got a little bit more separation on
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  Speaker 4: this one, better throw. But they, I thought, like, big picture-wise,
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  Speaker 4: I just, we were talking about this on Catch-22, I
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  Speaker 4: think that not to get corny about it, but, like,
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  Speaker 4: that might be the future quarterback matchup in the league. Like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, those two guys are going to be the
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  Speaker 4: two of the best quarterbacks in football for hopefully a
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  Speaker 4: very long time.
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  Speaker 5: And I think the league should be happy that Caleb
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  Speaker 5: Williams ended up with Ben Johnson because he's got him
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  Speaker 5: playing good quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Playing the position well.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, both guys have good coaching staffs around them
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  Speaker 4: and good organizations around them. So I think that they,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that is... maybe someday those two guys play
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  Speaker 4: each other in a super bowl. I don't think that
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  Speaker 4: that's crazy to think. And so from that standpoint, it
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  Speaker 4: was cool to be, see the Patriots in a game
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  Speaker 4: like that with their quarterback fully operational and his ability to,
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  Speaker 4: what I thought was for Thursday night was a pretty
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  Speaker 4: crazy game plan by Dennis Allen.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lot, they threw a lot at him.
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  Speaker 4: I thought a lot of pressure, a lot of those
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  Speaker 4: eight up fronts, a lot of different simulated pressures and
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  Speaker 4: things like that. And guys coming and guys dropping and,
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  Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. And I, it started slow,
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  Speaker 4: but as the game wore on, I thought Drake may
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  Speaker 4: started to get a beat on what they were doing
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  Speaker 4: and was starting to make plays against it.
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  Speaker 5: Do you think Josh McDaniels was also getting a beat
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  Speaker 5: on what they were doing? Sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, but you know, I put a lot of the,
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  Speaker 4: the pre-snap stuff on, on the quarterback and like it
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  Speaker 4: is talking to, um, to him a little bit in
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  Speaker 4: the locker room. Like he, he just mentioned that he
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  Speaker 4: really likes that he has control of the protections and,
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  Speaker 4: in the system because he knows where the, the protection
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  Speaker 4: is going. So like, if he knows who's going to
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  Speaker 4: be unblocked and he knows, uh, you know, where there
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  Speaker 4: may be a little bit vulnerable. So, you know, you're
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  Speaker 4: talking about the, the play he made to Chisholm where
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  Speaker 4: he made the guy miss and rolled out to his
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  Speaker 4: right and threw the ball to Chisholm for 16 yards.
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  Speaker 4: And he knew that they were sliding the protection cause
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  Speaker 4: he slid it. So they knew that he was sliding
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  Speaker 4: to the left. So if that guy off the right
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  Speaker 4: side came, he was going to be unblocked. And so
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  Speaker 4: he had, that was on Drake. Like he had to
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  Speaker 4: account for that player somehow with his legs or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that, you know, he it's, it was
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  Speaker 4: kind of like a mature quarterback performance in that sense
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  Speaker 4: that he was able to keep his head and, you know,
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  Speaker 4: really start to figure out and solve some of those problems.
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  Speaker 4: I was a little bit disappointed by the defense. I,
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  Speaker 4: and look, it's a great quarterback and Ben Johnson.
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  Speaker 2: I don't, you guys all know how I feel about him.
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  Speaker 5: But if you want to be a top five quarterback,
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  Speaker 5: that's the type of offense that you, you stop. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: It just felt like, um, you know, 17 missed tackles, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a couple of coverage busts that really cost them. Um,
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  Speaker 4: you know, they just gotta be a little bit more
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  Speaker 4: fundamentally sound.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And I, that was disappointing to me that it felt
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  Speaker 4: like that game came down to Drake may kind of
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  Speaker 4: having to do it all. Like he had to make
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  Speaker 4: plays against the defense. He's got no running game. He's
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  Speaker 4: on third string guards. The defense isn't making any plays.
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  Speaker 4: So he just kind of had to be perfect. And
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  Speaker 4: he throws one pick in the end zone to Raritan,
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  Speaker 4: and they lose the game.
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  Speaker 1: Echoes my thoughts entirely. As I said on the TV
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  Speaker 1: show earlier, I'm kind of willing to give them a
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  Speaker 1: pass for this one as a Thursday night kind of game,
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  Speaker 1: but they're on double secret probation for me. I think
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  Speaker 1: the way Evan put it is like, this isn't an
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  Speaker 1: overly talented defense. It's a defense that needs to play
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  Speaker 1: flawlessly together And when they do that, I think that
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  Speaker 1: they're good. But I don't think they have the talent
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  Speaker 1: to overcome lack of pressure, blown coverages, you know, those
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  Speaker 1: kind of mistakes. So I find this game frustrates me
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  Speaker 1: the more I get away from it. And I completely
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  Speaker 1: feel like Drake May, Hunter Henry, and Ramondre Stevenson in
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  Speaker 1: spots are kind of doing their part. Everything else kind
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  Speaker 1: of feels stuck in neutral to me right now. And
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  Speaker 1: part of that is injuries and guys are banged up,
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  Speaker 1: not just people who are missing, but guys who are
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  Speaker 1: banged up.
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  Speaker 5: I get the perfect medicine for what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Give it to me now.
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  Speaker 5: The Miami Dolphins. Oh, there we go.
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  Speaker 2: That pass defense, especially.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just, I'd like to see more. And I, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there were so many missed tackles, so many frustrating plays
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  Speaker 1: where I just, when I dwell on it too long,
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  Speaker 1: I start to get more and more worked up about like,
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  Speaker 1: what are we doing here? Because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: veterans on this defense that, you know, you're hoping that
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  Speaker 1: we're going to merge with some of the younger players
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  Speaker 1: and And I think some of the younger players have
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  Speaker 1: shown some positive strides. They can't do it all by themselves, though.
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  Speaker 1: Elijah Ponder is not ready. Gabe Ackes is not ready yet.
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  Speaker 1: They're great. I love to see them play. I love
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  Speaker 1: to see them make mistakes and learn from them. But
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  Speaker 1: you need more out of the veterans, too. They can't
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  Speaker 1: disappear in games like that.
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  Speaker 5: The missed tackles and the blown coverages. That's the two things.
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  Speaker 5: Because otherwise, Caleb Williams is good. Their offense is good.
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  Speaker 5: They're going to score points. You can't help them, especially in.
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  Speaker 1: The got to have a moment where you got a
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  Speaker 1: third and long at their eight yard line or whatever
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  Speaker 1: it was. You have an opportunity to get a stop,
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  Speaker 1: get a punt. And you're you got good field position. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to Evan's point, they're not getting turnovers. So
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  Speaker 1: you're not getting short fields. Paul pointed out the closest
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  Speaker 1: short field they got was when they missed the field goal.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're still on your side of the field
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  Speaker 1: with that. So it's just they're not.
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  Speaker 5: Going to help.
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  Speaker 9: Evan said, like, you know, it's it's all on Drake May.
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  Speaker 9: And certainly in that Thursday night game, it was all
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  Speaker 9: on Drake May. Because the defense didn't play a great game.
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  Speaker 9: And the running game, they didn't have much. I thought
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  Speaker 9: the pass protection. I'm not blaming the pass protection. But
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  Speaker 9: as Evan said, Dennis Allen got after it. And they
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  Speaker 9: got home more often than not. And Drake just had
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  Speaker 9: to make a guy miss. Or as Evan explained, because
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  Speaker 9: he's sliding protections and knowing where it's coming from, he
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  Speaker 9: knows where he's got to go. to avoid, you know,
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  Speaker 9: I think he only got sacked twice, but I mean,
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  Speaker 9: he didn't have too many times where he was back
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  Speaker 9: there surveying the field.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Um, and, and I just don't think he's getting a
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  Speaker 9: whole lot from the wide receivers either. And, you know,
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  Speaker 9: we can talk about AJ Brown a little bit as
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  Speaker 9: we continue. This was one of those funny games to me.
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  Speaker 9: I think it was an eyelash away from being an
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  Speaker 9: absolute blowout.
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  Speaker 8: Um, 10 to nothing.
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  Speaker 9: Well, it's 10, nothing. Then it's 10, seven. It's 13, seven,
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  Speaker 9: because I have earmuffs on this one. Um, The egomaniac
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  Speaker 9: coach of the other team decides to hand the ball
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  Speaker 9: off forward to an offensive lineman, which cost them four points,
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  Speaker 9: which was, to me, just a ridiculous, dumb call. And
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  Speaker 9: then not knowing the rule on top of it all,
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  Speaker 9: I think, makes it even worse. So it could have
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  Speaker 9: been 17-7 there. And then they go down and make
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  Speaker 9: it 20-7, you know, with 14 seconds left in the half,
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  Speaker 9: which could have been, as I said, 24-7. And then
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  Speaker 9: you got, like, nine guys in the end zone. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: you rush six, and everybody else is in the end zone.
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  Speaker 9: And did you guys see, like, these highlights of, like,
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  Speaker 9: the effort that the guys from Chicago had, like, chasing
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  Speaker 9: from Andre Stevenson around?
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  Speaker 5: You got him. No, you got him.
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  Speaker 9: So, you know, it could have easily been 24-7 at
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  Speaker 9: the half. Then they come out in the second half,
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  Speaker 9: they go right down the field. It could have been 31-7,
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  Speaker 9: and then we're not talking about any of this. However,
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  Speaker 9: as my buddy Tommy and Quincy likes to say on
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  Speaker 9: Felger and Mass, however.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't 24-7. It wasn't 31-7.
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  Speaker 9: They were able to make that play at the end
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  Speaker 9: of the half, and they got themselves back in the game.
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  Speaker 9: And here's the frustrating part for me. At 27-21, you
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  Speaker 9: had two possessions and did nothing with them. And again,
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  Speaker 9: it would have been a steal of the game, however
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  Speaker 9: you want to call it, that I do think Chicago
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  Speaker 9: was the better team for the majority of that game.
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  Speaker 9: But they miss a 53-yard field goal. You take over
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  Speaker 9: on the 43-yard line, you go three and out. That
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  Speaker 9: can't happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. That can't happen.
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  Speaker 9: I thought there was one of his rare bad throws
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  Speaker 9: on first down, and then he gets sacked when he
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  Speaker 9: just gets an avalanche on him on second down, third
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  Speaker 9: and 20.
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  Speaker 2: That's the game right there. That was your chance to
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  Speaker 2: steal the game.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And, you know, it's tough because he made so many
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  Speaker 4: good plays in this game.
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  Speaker 8: He was really good.
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  Speaker 4: And good plays out of structure, like just running around
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  Speaker 4: and making guys miss in the backfield and making throws.
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  Speaker 4: And it just felt like it all kind of, the
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  Speaker 4: offensive line injuries, like the receiver is not necessarily hitting
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  Speaker 4: on all cylinders right now.
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  Speaker 2: And like when they really needed it.
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  Speaker 4: They just didn't have quite enough in the reservoir to
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  Speaker 4: like pull something out and pull another drive out of it. But, uh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I just thought looking at the two sides
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  Speaker 4: of the ball, like I just, I was more concerned
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  Speaker 4: coming out of this game about the defense definitely than
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  Speaker 4: the offense, even though they missed those opportunities. But, um,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you give up a, a touchdown on third
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  Speaker 4: and 17.
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  Speaker 8: Basically untouched. Untouched on a screen.
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  Speaker 2: It's just bad ball.
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  Speaker 5: It's bad.
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  Speaker 4: So you just can't do those types of things defensively
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  Speaker 4: and consistently and expect to win games.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I thought like Christian Ellis was kind of the embodiment
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  Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball where he's all
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  Speaker 1: over the place making tackles, but then I'm sure you
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  Speaker 1: saw it looked like he didn't get the call on
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  Speaker 1: that one big play and he ran to the flat
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  Speaker 1: and it's wide open.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it looked like that was a miscommunication, which is like,
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  Speaker 4: two weeks in a row now that they've busted a
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  Speaker 4: coverage and given up like a, a huge play, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Omar Cooper Jr.
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  Speaker 8: Touchdown two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 4: And then this week, but I, I watching it, I
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  Speaker 4: thought that was kind of the only time that that happened.
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  Speaker 4: I was concerned that that was going to be like, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: you know, all over the tape, like the dolphins pass
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  Speaker 4: defense where it's like they're busting coverages all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: But it was really that.
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  Speaker 4: In the, in the third and 17, like those were
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  Speaker 4: the two kind of backbreaking plays, the 58 yard or
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  Speaker 4: the burden and that one. So I, I just, Overall,
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  Speaker 4: I just think defensively, their zone coverages, and we were
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  Speaker 4: breaking this down on catch with all the numbers, like
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: the zone coverages right now are ineffective. They're 30th in
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: the league in EPA in zone coverage. And I think
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: all of this kind of ties back to pass rush.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: I was just going to ask you how much you
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: thought it was related to the lack of pressure.
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: So when they play man-to-man coverage, when they're third in
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: the league in EPA in man coverage, which makes sense,
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: they have a 50% pressure rate, the second best in
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: the league. When they play zone coverage, it drops to 29%.
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: Because in zone, if you blitz, now you don't have
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: as many people in zone to stop the coverage. So
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: if you blitz, then you're exposing the back end in
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: zone coverage. But if you play with a four-man rush
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: and you don't have a great four-man rush, then the
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: quarterback's got all day. So like, I think they're in
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: a tough spot with those own coverages of like, you know,
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: what do we do? Do we blitz out of them?
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: Do we rush for, can we get home with four?
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: And then when you play these good quarterbacks, like if
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: you're not getting home and you're not getting pressure and
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: you're in zone, they're going to pick you apart.
• 15:16
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: And that's exactly what, what's been happening. So, uh, they,
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: their run game offensively, their zone coverage is defensively right now,
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: or they're kind of their Achilles heel. Yeah.
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: All right. Paul, you kind of mentioned it a little earlier.
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: We need to talk about A.J. Brown a little bit
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: and what he's doing and his situation health-wise, perhaps, and
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: his role in the offense right now because we were
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: hoping for more.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: They need more.
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: And maybe it's too early to expect that because he's
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: coming off that injury and maybe he came off a
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: little bit sooner than he should have. But I'm not
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: seeing that physical– 50-50 type of play that's needed on
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: some of these balls. And I think a couple of
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: them were catchable. I'm just not seeing a lift. He's
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: waiting for the ball to get to him, in other words.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: And he's not going and getting it and beating the
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: other man like you would for a rebound in the
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: NBA or something.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think the short week helped him with that
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: injury and that recovery. I mean, there's one comeback he
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: ran that we all, watching it live, were like, geez,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: it takes him a while to hammer down and come
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: back out of it. So how much of it is
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: you're just going to have to deal with this for
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: the rest of the season, which is what Troy said
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: when the injury happened. He's going to be dealing with
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: that the rest of the year, which sounds like a
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: knife through your heart when you hear a receiver say that.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: But what's real and how much better can he get
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: on the fly? Does this longer break help him get
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: a little healthier for Miami? Does the bye week in
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: a couple weeks help him? I think he's better than this.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to flush him. this along with some of
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: the things that were from that Thursday night, do the show.
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: He was better than this in the summer. Oh yeah.
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: He was better against the Jets.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: It's not like we're going back to last year, like
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: a couple months ago.
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: Yep.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: He was better than this.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: That's just kind of why I pushed back on like the,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: the high ankle thing, because. he was open all day
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: against the jets. They just didn't catch the ball. He
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: was literally open the entire game. This game, it was
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: what four or five days, whatever you want to count
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: a Thursday night game after just playing 52 snaps against
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: the jets five days earlier.
• 17:20
  Speaker 8: And this one, he looked, he looked tired.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: He didn't look as explosive.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: He didn't look as, uh, you know, as quick, you know, I, I,
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: but is that, Conditioning is that bouncing back in between
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: games with the injury. So that's why I'm trying not
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: to overreact to how he looked in the game because
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: I think that it was a tough spot to ask
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: him to play that many snaps on Sunday and then
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: come right back on Thursday and be his usual self
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: on Thursday.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: But you can just imagine if he did get back
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: to form, the difference he could make.
• 17:54
  Speaker 11: In the offense.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I desperately need him.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: He's making a slight difference just by being out there.
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: Just by literally being out there, he's already making a
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: little bit of a difference, but great players like that,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: you want to make plays on top of being a
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: decoy and taking coverage and things like that.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Give me Matt Collins back. I know after this week,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: he'll be eligible. Hopefully, he's able to come back. I
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: think he's another one. We just know Drake loves to
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: throw to him in big situations, and then maybe it
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: takes a little bit of pressure off A.J. Brown and
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: lets him ease back in, but I totally agree with
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: everything you haven't said.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I just, my question.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: And I think everybody's question is, is like, how much
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: better can it get this season? How, you know, how
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: healthy can he get? What will he look like coming
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: down the stretch? You got to go into Kansas city
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: on a Monday night game. That should be a hell
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: of a game. You're going to need real AJ Brown
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: for that one. You know, if you're going to come
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: out of there with a win. So luckily there's a
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: little down period with Miami. We'll see if they can
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: get through this one without getting a top notch performance
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: from him. But like you said, Fred, they're going to
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: need him if they want to do anything.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: So let's now talk about the injury situation. What, new
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: reports do we have in terms of status well ben
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: brown brown was out yeah he walked through you know
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: of all the injuries that happened in that jets game
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: it looked like ben brown's was the worst but you
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: know he might be back at practice uh how about
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: carlton davis yeah he's.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: Been practicing he's practiced a little bit last week too
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: so hopefully that was like a ramp up and then
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: they're planning on him playing in miami on sunday so
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: uh we'll see with that but for once they actually
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: came out of this game like without any major injuries
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: uh so um that that was good you know barmore
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: fell on the ball trying to strip sack caleb williams
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: at the end of the game knocked the wind out
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: of him uh so that that one wasn't a major
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: injury and that was kind of the only real scare
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: so uh they at least finally they come out of
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: a game without any real injuries so that's yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's kind of the thing i've just been thinking
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: about in my head is like the guys that they've
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: actually lost no question tough you've lost a couple guards
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: now you're down to fourth fifth string but like i
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: just think it's the overall attrition of guys that are
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: playing hurt and i don't know what to degree but
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: you look across the injury report and it's across the board.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, Carl Davis, Christian Gonzalez, Kevin Byard, Craig Woodson,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Christian Ellis, Morgan Moses, AJ Brown, Draymond Jones. I mean,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: now I'm not saying, look, this is the NFL guys
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: are going to be on the injury report. You got
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: to play through it. But I think when we talk
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: about this being a banged up team, I'm that that's
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: more to me. It's like, you're not getting the top
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: performance from a lot of the veterans that you really need.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: Good point.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Um, you know, in the, in these situations, you just,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: you need more. I need more out of those guys.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: And look, I dream on Jones is a warrior. I mean,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Morgan Moses is a warrior. These guys are playing through stuff,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it's hurting the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: performance on the field. And somehow they've got to figure
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: out a way to get healthy on the fly.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, they've got a full week, you know, when
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: they had a little extra, so they had 10 days
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: since Thursday. So let's see Matt Collins.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, but.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: I'm not hopeful on that one. I don't know what,
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: What happened? No, it's just a gut feeling for me
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: that he won't be back soon.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 20:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: We always just worry about the calf as the precursor
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: to the Achilles. And if you play on a weakened calf,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: then there's history of the Achilles popping from that. So
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: you have to be really careful about not coming back
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: too early.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's just like what was said when it first
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: happened and kind of the mood of Vrabel when he
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: was talking about it. Like, I just get this feeling like,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm not getting my hope up.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Probably, I don't know if you can read any. Did
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you read anything that you just saw on the sideline,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I think? I remember, I think I saw him on
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: the sideline.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: He was at the game.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Is that a positive sign or is that just generally whatever?
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: You know, before you get into the stadium or as
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: you get into the stadium, everybody has to have their
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: bags checked. And Hollins was behind us. And, you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: usually when you see a player behind you, you say, hey,
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: you know, go ahead, get in front of us. He's like,
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. I'm not going anywhere. So he was
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: cool being in the back of the line. Was he
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: wearing shoes? No, he was not wearing shoes.
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: With a bad cap.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: But I say that because he was in good spirits.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: So at least there's that. He wasn't moping around, I
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: wish I could play. He was in good spirits.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Did you tell him your theory of, like, I don't.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Think you're going to be back?
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: No.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: It's funny. I got the opposite impression with him. I
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: kind of thought.
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: It wasn't a foregone conclusion that he was going to
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: IR in the first place.
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: I agree with that. I mean, he spoke at his
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: locker right after it happened.
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: I thought he was going to actually give it a try,
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: maybe miss a game, and then all of a sudden
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: it went from he's doing some things at practice to, oh,
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: you know what, we're going to just put him on IR.
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: I thought that was kind of like one of those,
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: all right, let's just make sure he's healthy when he's back.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I hope you're wrong, Fred.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I hope I'm wrong too.
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: Because I do think, I mean, whether it's him or Dobbs,
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: They need another guy, I think, because I don't think
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: you're going to get vintage A.J.
• 22:44
  Speaker 12: Brown.
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: I think you're going to get sort of a diminished
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: version of him. So he needs somebody, I think, to
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: help him.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: Have we ever got the official word on what Dobbs'
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: injury is? I know it's a shoulder, but what happened?
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: He landed diving. Is it broken?
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: Is it a clavicle? What is it?
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: My guess is it's a separated shoulder, but I do
• 23:05
  Speaker 9: not know. I have not seen it.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: If I had to guess, I would say an AC
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: joint sprain, third degree, which means you've got to put
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a pin in it.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I've had it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: The collarbone pops off. It's different degrees. First degree, just
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: a little sprain. Two is what I had. Three is
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: all the way off. So I think three, you've got
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to put a pin in it, and I think that
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: probably would be my experience.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: There you go. Good doctor. I'm not going.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: To step into that one. You're Achilles.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: You're the Achilles guy.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: Kind of staying on the injuries and their effect. Yes,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: the Patriots run game needs work. I think what they had,
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: 17 attempts in the last game or something like that,
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: maybe 13. And they didn't do well. Other than Drake,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: if you take Drake's numbers out, it was like under
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: four yards a carry.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: 13. Yeah, 13 carries.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: But having said that, I think the line's staying together.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: It's holding up. It's not a disaster with the two
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: guards in there. So I have hope there that if
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: Ben Brown comes back and Morgan Moses gets a little
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: bit more healthy, that maybe they can get this run
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: game going a little bit.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I just, I feel, I hate to be Debbie Downer,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: but like, I just like, when was the last time
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: they could run the ball? No matter who was blocking,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: no matter who the running back was. I mean, you
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: had a little spurt with Corey Kiner at the end
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: of the Jets game, but you know, looking at the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: scouting report, it was like, geez, they should be able
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to run the ball a little bit against Chicago.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Nope.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really seem to matter.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. I've kind of have much faith.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say I've given up, but like,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to say that all of a sudden this group's going
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: to get it and the holes are going to start opening.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Like when I watched the Rams and it's just guys
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: getting pushed down the field and it's like, you know, it's.
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: A tricky needle that Josh has to thread there too,
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: because you can't just throw the ball every play.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So you have to, I mean, what do you
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: have 30 at 13 in this game?
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Probably want a little bit more balanced even than that.
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: But at some point you can't just sit there and say,
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: I can't keep running the ball because all that's doing
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: is taking a play away from Drake.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: May.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: To be able to get this first down.
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: So I can imagine that's a tough balance there, but
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: I kind of agree with Mike, and I think Evan agrees.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I think the three of us talked about this a
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: little bit earlier.
• 25:17
  Speaker 9: I just don't know how you can expect them to
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: just suddenly start running the ball with more efficiency when
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: they really haven't done it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And all the guys that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Are on IR, like the two guards, Julian Hill, Reggie Gilliam,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: like these are the guys that were either brought in
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: or here that are supposed to set a tone and
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: be able to run the football.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: The run game stresses me out.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: Do you think that the Patriots are candidates for doing
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: something before the trade deadline? I know Vrabel didn't rule
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: it out. You know, he's just being honest. Yeah, we'll
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: look at everything. We'll talk and we'll listen. But do
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: you think it's something they should do?
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: I mean, they definitely should be interested in anything.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: But I just I don't know.
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: I think that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: They need to start to think about how they're running
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: the football and if they can do it differently to
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: be more effective running the ball. Because it's not just
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: that the run game doesn't go anywhere. It's impacting their
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: play action passing efficiency as well. So they basically just
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: have no run game or play action passing game that's
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: effective right now. So everything is drop back passing. It's
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: all Drake May in the shotgun dropping back and making
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: stuff happen. And that I mean, as the Cincinnati Bengals,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: like that's a really tough way to consistently live with
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: your quarterback in the shotgun and just having to drop
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: back past 40, 45 times a game. Like it's just
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: not really a way that you want to be consistently.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: And so the run game to me is also like
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: a goes hand in hand with play action passing.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: And like that's what's more important to me is.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: The explosives that you can generate and play action passing
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: off of your run game. They don't have that right now.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: So their under center offense in general is down.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Near the bottom of the league.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: So what do they do? You know, do they just
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: go all in and being a shotgun offense? You know,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: do they spread teams out? Do they run more RPOs?
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Do they run more pistol? Do they, you know, what
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: do you do to try to get the running backs
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: some room to breathe? Because I think Ramondre Stevenson's playing
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: out of his mind.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: There's just no place to go. There's just no place
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to go.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: And Trayvon Henderson obviously has his issues, but he's never
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: in space either, unless they give him, like, a jet
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: sweep or an end around or something like that.
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: So it's just a.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: It's really limiting their offense to, like.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: So you're not buying, you know, some of your brethren,
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: all-22 stuff about vision when it comes to Henderson?
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: I think it's a factor, but I don't think it's
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: like he's leaving... huge chunks of yards on the field
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: because he has poor vision. I, I don't, I don't
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: see it that way.
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: Is he leaving some yards on the field?
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: But I don't think that he's, you know, this would
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: have been a 30, 35 yard run.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: If he had just seen this cutback lane and like,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I'd go for five or six yards.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Well, he got five or six on a draw that,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: that everybody's claiming got him benched.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: So I, I don't know.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Like it just, to me, this is, holistic it's the
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: blocking it's the scheme it's all of it it's not
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: just you know oh it's on this one person or
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: it's on this one thing that would fix it like
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: i don't know how you can play a better football
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: game than romandre stevenson did the other night and he's
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: he's running into a brick wall.
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: That's i think the problem and henderson's usage has gone
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: down the last couple of games and i don't know
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: how much of that is related to the ankle injury
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: that he suffered right in that jets game but I
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: think Evan makes a great point. Stevenson is doing so
• 28:46
  Speaker 9: many things really well right now that he's your best
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: option on first down if you want to run the
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: ball between the tackles, right?
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Would you argue that?
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: No.
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: He's your best option on third down if you want
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: to try to keep Drake May healthy.
• 28:59
  Speaker 11: Yep.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Like he killed another guy the other night.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: By the way, I like your split screen. You did
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: a good job explaining that. what we're looking at.
• 29:10
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: We're doing a good job with those social, social team.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: My bad for making content.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: We're not a lot.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: Don't listen to him.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: We did a, we did an Eli Raritan one as well.
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: That's up now.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Only other guys on that show are allowed to make.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: That's fun.
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: Mike and I, but I, It's hard. Like, what do
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: you do when Stevenson is your best option? as your
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: traditional first down, you know, bellwether back as well as
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: your best option is your third down back and pass protection.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: And Oh, by the way, he had a hundred yards
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the other night. Yeah.
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: And I understand I'm not getting lost in the yardage.
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: I understand that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Whatever 48 of them came on a fluke play.
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: I'm not, but, there's still like four or five other
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: catches in addition to that, that were important plays.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: In the game.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Very first play of the game, 19 yards to Stevens.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: What were you guys clocking though with, with Henderson? Because I,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: like we watching TV, it's like, sometimes I lose track
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: of guys and then it was all of a sudden
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: he like disappeared. Did you guys think he was benched
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: or I like, I was erring on the side of
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: he's banged up. They're going to limit him a little bit,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: but Ben's gone for a while.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Bench is a strong word. Um, but, he's not running
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: the ball effectively. He's not pass blocking effectively.
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: So it's kind.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Of like end of the season.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I dropped the ball on that.
• 30:33
  Speaker 9: I was trying to ask Rabel that yesterday about Stevenson's usage. And, uh,
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: I didn't get my question in, but that.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Was on me.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: It's like four injury questions. So you could have maybe
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: asked on the side.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: Get in there.
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: No, I mean, it was my fault. I, I could
• 30:48
  Speaker 9: have been a big boy and just got my question
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: in and I allowed myself to get, you know, steamroll
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: shouted down or, You know, softly.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's a tough meet.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: It is a tough crowd. It's a tough crowd.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: You have to.
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: Ask them about good questions.
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: Not like I was expecting to get a good answer anyway,
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: you know. But, I mean, his usage is dropping.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Is Corey Kiner sort of taking his carries right now?
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Is it health-related? I don't know.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: It's just tough to find, like, what is he good
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: at right now? And I don't mean to be, like,
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: doom and gloom about it but like.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: There's a wide open lane he can run right through it.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Right and they're not making wide open lanes so they
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: need guys like at least kiner is a little slippery
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: and can you know kind of you know navigate through
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: some some tight spaces and you know stuff like that
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: like it's not just on travion henderson they're just not
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: making the holes that they were making for him last
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: year where he had those opportunities to to take off
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: into the open field so that's, it's tough.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: It's funny though.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Sorry, let's just say real quick, put a button on it, like,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: we kind of talked about this all summer, of like, Travion,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: we need more from him.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: He's got to develop.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: And meanwhile, outside, it felt a lot of talk of, like,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: he's RB1 now. Like, you know, a lot of the
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: fantasy angles on Travion were that, you know, he was
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: going to be the superstar of the backfield.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: I don't want to, like, finger wag anybody, but Deuce
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: and I got a lot of heat last year for
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: being remandre people. And now everybody is like, oh, he's
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: much better than Travion. It's like, we've been trying to
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: tell you this for two years.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Everyone who, at this point in their careers... didn't say
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: that remandre is better. Just, they don't know ball.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Well, I'll ask you, we were, him and I, especially
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: we're taking heat for, for backing remandre.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Well, I think that was in the midst of a
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: couple explosive runs and everyone was, you know, we were
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: actually stars.
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: So tomorrow we'll turn the page and we'll talk about
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: this dolphins game coming up, but I do want to
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: talk about the weekend of football because we didn't have
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: a game and we had a chance to watch a
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: little bit of football. I, No, in my area, I
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: don't know about up in Peabody, Paul, but I had
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: the Ravens in the– who were they playing?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Bengals.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: The Bengals game available. That's the game that I watched
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: because I don't have red zone.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: You don't?
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: They turned it off on me.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. I watched the red zone.
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: But, yeah, I mean, that was obviously– it shows you
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: what Cincinnati can do when they start clicking. That's the best–
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: It's the best.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: Trio in football.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: No one has two receivers like that.
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: And when Burrow gets hot, five straight touchdown drives, this
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: is going to be another lost season for the Ravens
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: if they don't get Lamar Jackson. Oh, by the way,
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: I made an executive decision based on your comment when
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: we were.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Doing the picks last week.
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: No matter who you picked in the Cincinnati-Baltimore game, I
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: gave you credit for a win.
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: I picked the Bengals, correctly.
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: Because everybody said that if Lamar doesn't play, they want Cincinnati.
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: Lamar didn't play, so we all took Cincinnati.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: Okay. Thank you, Paul.
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: I don't like that.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I just, in the interest of... I just want to
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: be fair.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: Well, and I... And to be fair, that's what we
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: would have picked.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Right. We all said it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 8: Some of us picked the Bengals.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: You did.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I picked the Bengals too. I watched two of the.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Next three Patriots opponents, the Packers and the Lions.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: That Packers game. Let's talk about your friends and stripes
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: in that Packers game.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:22
  Speaker 9: So the roughing the passer thing is really getting out
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: of control. I thought there was a really bad one
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: on the Packers in that game. I thought there was
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: a really bad personal foul on the Lions in that
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: game that didn't get quite as much. talk, when the
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: little dump-off pass over the middle to the back, I
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: think it was Marshawn, what's his name?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: The back?
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: Marshawn Lloyd.
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: Lloyd.
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: And the linebacker came up, the ball went off the
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: guy's hands, and the linebacker came up and knocked him over.
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: Right. Like, three steps.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that late.
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: Like, and even Brady, which... as a complete aside, it
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: really makes me laugh listening to Brady. Tell me how
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: every roughing the passer is not a roughing the passer.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, he's up and screaming from the guy who we
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: could hear in the press box every time someone got
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: within 20 yards of him. Um, but I just think
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: that these, these calls are really having heavy impacts in games.
• 35:18
  Speaker 9: Um, I thought the more interesting element of the Detroit
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: green Bay game is Dan Campbell going for a fourth
• 35:24
  Speaker 9: and one from his own 24.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Um, I'm going to stun you here. I didn't hate it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't hate it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: At that point in the game? I'm not telling you
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: I would have done it. Tie game, about five and
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: a half minutes left from his own 24. He goes
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: for a four. His thought process is, I want to
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: make sure I get another possession.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I don't hate it.
• 35:45
  Speaker 9: I'm not telling you I would have done it. But
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: I understand what he was thinking. If I punt and
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: Green Bay drives, I don't see the ball again.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Right. They're going to take the rest of the clock.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: They're going to kick a field goal and beat me.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Whereas if I.
• 35:57
  Speaker 9: Give them points, even if they score a touchdown, I'm
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: going to have three, three and a half minutes to
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: go down and match that. I'm going to have the
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: ball back again. And if I can hold them to three,
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: then I can have my chance to.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: Get a touchdown. So that type of logic doesn't sound
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: like it's a Dan Campbell decision.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: No, they're an analytics-based team.
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: Snaps for Dan Campbell.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I was so proud. Did you not hate it either?
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Did you?
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: Of course I loved it.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: Obviously.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not willing to go love it. I'm not willing
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: to go loved it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: But like a coach that like actually got up and
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: explained like the logic behind it and not just.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: You know, we always just like we could pick it.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Default to it's some spreadsheet and some nerd that told
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: him to go for it.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: And like, he at least like got up at the podium.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: And see any of this and explained the logic behind it,
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: which is exactly what Paul just laid out. It's a
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: possession game at that point of like, are you going
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: to get another possession or not? And they felt like
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: it was worth the risk because they were going to
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: be able to answer whatever green Bay did with the
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: ball and on the back end and it played out exactly.
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: Now in this case, it worked perfectly.
• 37:02
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: You know, now it doesn't always work that way now,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: but in this case it did.
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: He got lucky that they not only forced the three,
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: it should have been a touchdown.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs dropped the touchdown pass. Um, so it should
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: have been a touchdown.
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: They get lucky that they held in the three and
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: then they actually get a piece of the field goal
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: and block the field goal. So they come away with nothing.
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: So that's best case scenario, but I think he was content.
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: to give up a score knowing that he would have
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: time to match it if, if need be. But I
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: just find it funny, like how many people, and I'm
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: not telling you, you need to agree with the logic,
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: but I came in, you know, I'm watching red zone
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: with Beth, who is a casual football fan at best.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, so what do you think she goes?
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: That's kind of crazy. Don't you think? And I, and
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I told her what I thought.
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: I didn't know that, that Dan Campbell explained all that,
• 37:52
  Speaker 9: but it was kind of, to me, pretty clear what
• 37:55
  Speaker 9: he was thinking. And she goes, oh, that makes sense
• 37:57
  Speaker 9: because now they'll be able to go down. I come
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: in and I talk to Mike the next morning. I go,
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: so I'm not asking you if you agree or not.
• 38:04
  Speaker 9: I was like, what do you think they were doing?
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: He goes, well, they just want to make sure they
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: got the ball back.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: He fist bumped me.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: It's not that hard to figure it out, right? I
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: don't think you need to be a ball knower to
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: understand with five minutes. You should have heard some of
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: the people on the radio yesterday talking about he should
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: be fired.
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: That's an egregious mistake. That's a reckless, you know, like
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: put the team in that kind of like you don't understand. Like, again,
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: you don't have to agree with his decision. But you
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: don't understand it? You don't understand what he was doing?
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: I don't know how you don't understand it.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: To me, it's blatantly obvious.
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: He was like, it's only going to take them a
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: minute or two from the 25-yard line as opposed to
• 38:47
  Speaker 9: the last five minutes of the game if I punt
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: and make him go 70 yards.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: It's like letting someone score at the end of the game.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: It's not that different. It's the same thing.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: I just think, and I think everybody is complicit in this,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: I don't think we do a great job of explaining
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: what is analytics when is it an analytic call when
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: is it not an analytic call and all that i
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: think everybody just assumes that every single time the mass
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: has to go for it on fourth but but that's
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: not the case.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: But to do what he did is that saying that
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: i don't have faith in my defense.
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: I think it's saying i have faith in my offense
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: to match whatever i have to give up i don't
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: think it has anything.
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: To do with the defense there is a chance you
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: can stop him right like.
• 39:34
  Speaker 9: I mean yeah there's always a chance you could stop
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: him yeah so he's but he's guaranteeing and instead of
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: taking a risk that I'm going to get another possession
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: he's guaranteeing he gets another possession right I'll take that
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: right but Do you know what I'm saying?
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: I do. I know exactly what you're saying. But, you know,
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: you could also say, all right, we make it. We
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: convert the fourth and one or whatever.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Which, by the way, that deserves criticism. A horrific play
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: call by, what's his name? Petzig.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: So you convert it. there's no guarantee you're going to
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: drive all that length of the field because you're on
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: your own 24. So there's risks both ways.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: For sure.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: I think that it was a borderline, you know, math
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: call because, and I think Ryan Pagnetti put this out there,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: like it was fourth in like a yard and a half.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: So it's kind of too far to sneak it. So
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: like sneaks, if you're a good sneak team, especially are
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: just like, 90% success rate or something crazy like that.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: So if you have it in, like, fourth inside of
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: one and you can sneak it, then it's a clear
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: go situation. That was right on the border of, like,
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: this is almost two full yards that we have to
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: get here.
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: And is it, you know, so that was, that one was, like,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: I would say the math would probably slightly lean go, but, like,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: it wasn't a, it was a toss-up.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: It's not like Goff is the best.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: No, they're not a good sneak team because Goff's not
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: a really good quarterback.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: By the way.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: I know you have the ear of the quarterback. Can
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: you tell him to tell Josh, second and one, no
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: more sneaks. You got the whole playbook at your, you know.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: This one was particularly good. They didn't get it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So, like, second and one, let's try to do
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: something more than just get the first down.
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: I'll pass the note along.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Just, you know. Politely.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: For your father.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. For your father.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: So that, yeah. And then there was another call in
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: that game, you know, that went against the Packers. I
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: forget what it was that it was just like, are
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: you kidding me?
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: There was a couple of bad penalty calls against the
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Packers in that game. Oh, the intentional grounding.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Well, that was a tough call.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: It was a terrible call. It was definitely in the
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: direction of a.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I just... It's a penalty that sort of draws my.
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: Roughly every passer in intentional grounding, the lack of consistency
• 41:50
  Speaker 9: with the way it's called.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Is troubling when you just watch these games. The worst
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: call of the weekend came in the game that you
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: were watching, the Bengals-Ravens. There was a guy for the Ravens,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I think it was Maffe, Boya Maffe, got cut blocked
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: on a screen.
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: Right, he got put, right?
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: He got cut to the ground.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: And he fell. And the pulling guy for the... Did
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: you see this, Ev? The pulling guy for the Ravens
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: is coming around and fell over him.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: And they called Mafe for cutting the legs out of
• 42:20
  Speaker 9: a blocker, which you're not allowed to do.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: That's a penalty.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: And just.
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: Zach Taylor was so mad that he called timeout to
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: keep yelling at the ref.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: But the ref clearly states it has to be your
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: own impetus. It has to be your own impetus that
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: does it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 9: And, of course, they have the guys come on. It's
• 42:35
  Speaker 9: Serator and all these guys. And it's like, well, if
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: he's doing it, I'm like, you see it.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: What do you think?
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Do you think he did that on purpose?
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: I just don't understand why we have replay assist if
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: it's not going to assist.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: On calls like that that are egregiously wrong calls, it
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: happens quick. You saw the guy flash. You saw the
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: guy get cut down. You thought it was an illegal situation.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: It wasn't.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Pick up the flag. Let's move on.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: You know, like grounding, I do think they do have
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: some replay assists because they usually wait a beat to
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: make the call. But that's another one where it's like,
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: all right, is there anybody in the area? Is he
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: outside the tackle box? Like those are hard things to
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: officiate in real time. So let's use replay assists to assist.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: Then the other, it isn't pros, but the week, the Saturday,
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: did you watch the BYU game?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: The BYU-UCF game?
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: And UCF decided to go for it from the one-yard line?
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: Did you watch that? I didn't see it.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I heard about it.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: I mean, there was a call. I mean, at the end,
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: chaos ensued. Like, the refs completely lost control.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know the refs were involved.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: Oh, it was just nuts at the end.
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: Tie game in the last minute and a half, and
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: it's fourth and goal from the one. And instead of
• 43:48
  Speaker 9: kicking the field goal to take the lead, they went
• 43:50
  Speaker 9: for it and got stopped.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Well, but... At the end, UCF has a chance to
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: kick a field goal. The field goal gets blocked. The
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: kicker recovers the ball and starts to run. They literally
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: take his helmet in a headlock and rip his helmet off.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: He gets kicked out of the game. He has to
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: leave the game for play because his helmet came off.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: It's like, where's the penalty? I couldn't believe it. They
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: literally had him around the helmet.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Was the field goal the last play of the game?
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: No, it wasn't the last play game because he ended
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: up coming back to do another kick afterwards.
• 44:24
  Speaker 8: Well, you only have to sit for one play.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: Just for one play. But I'm saying it was a penalty.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: They ripped his helmet off.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I understand, but he still has to come off the field.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: No, I understand that, but what I'm saying is.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Well, no, that's not true.
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: If they rule it's a penalty, then the guy does
• 44:41
  Speaker 9: not have to leave the field.
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: I don't see what difference that makes, but sure.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Because they're trying to buckle up his chin strap. Right,
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: they don't keep it... tight enough they're right that's why
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: i guess they're trying to encourage.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: These guys the helmet comes off the helmet comes.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Off it shouldn't come off by itself yeah that's the
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: point yeah this did not they ripped it off the
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: guy had him like this and tugged and it came
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: off and there's no flag.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: No flag i don't know anyway don't even bother with
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: the college game this is why.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: Don't bother with the college game. Mini Belichick over here.
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: He's literally coaching in college. Obviously, I was rooting for
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: UCF to pull the upset.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: But anyway.
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: All right. Anything else over the weekend that struck out
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: to you?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes versus Seattle's defense. I'm just enjoying.
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: Made me feel a little bit better.
• 45:30
  Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: That was... They're pretty good, you know.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Fun watch.
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: He looked worse than Drake did.
• 45:36
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: At least Drake may have played good for three quarters
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: and then fell apart. He didn't even play good at
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: any point.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: In that game.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: Everyone's saying now that they're too dependent on Kenneth Walker.
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: Well, they were missing... They don't have any of their players, right?
• 45:51
  Speaker 9: Wasn't Rice out of that game and now Thornton's out?
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know that... So.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: What are we doing? Dobbs is out. We're talking about that.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: I would hope Dobbs is better than Thornton. Well, no.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: The stats wouldn't indicate that. Had a very big game.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: But it's good for them to lose. That's a good thing.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I just thought it was.
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: What about those Giants?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: No. JJ. So that ends my little Houston experiment.
• 46:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a big takeaway from the weekend.
• 46:21
  Speaker 9: I thought Houston had signs of life. And they could
• 46:24
  Speaker 9: do what they did last year, but now I would
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: say it's just not happening for them this year.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: When's the last time a running back got called for
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: using his helmet?
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: Another egregiously bad call, even though he does do that.
• 46:36
  Speaker 9: And I've seen running backs get called for that, but
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: put that away.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: I agree. I was always taught when you go into,
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: you lower your head.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure. He did it.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 46:46
  Speaker 8: You were taught to lower your head?
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: Well, you're supposed to use your shoulder pads to get through.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're not using your head, but you lower.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: You get small. He uses his head intentionally.
• 46:55
  Speaker 8: Tuck your chin. This is why we have a concussion problem.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Like, lowering your head is one thing. I think he
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: invites contact with his head.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: Oh, he lowers it.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: And I think that's why he gets called for it.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: He can't get enough. He uses it as a weapon. Yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: That's when he's in his hamstring, too, on a play.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: He wouldn't admit it.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: He did. No, he said that's why he pulled up
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: in overtime.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, yeah. But on the sideline, he was telling
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: people to get away from him.
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: He had a 42-yard run in overtime that the next
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: play was a 30-yard. Like, say with everything that's wrong
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: with Houston, you know, they gave up 72 yards on
• 47:26
  Speaker 9: two runs in overtime.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I just can't believe what's happened to that Texans defense. And, like,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: if you're the Texans and that, like, how does– D'Amico Ryan's.
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: Like, I don't know.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Inexplicable.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Because CJ Stroud's playing really well. Yeah. Yeah.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: He's playing really well and their defense is completely falling apart.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: And I can't really put my finger on why other than,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: you know, they did change out some of their safeties,
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: but in.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: The off season, but like he's been hurt.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: Oh yes. I don't know.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: It just, it seems like they still have most of
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: the talent, Stingley, Anderson, Hunter.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Lasseter's not played well.
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: That's the guy. uh, Kamari Lasseter.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: He's like, well, he's their other corner.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: He's, he's not Stingley's played either though. Right.
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: I think the whole, I mean, the whole day, but
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: like Will Anderson's been good, but like, you know, that defense,
• 48:16
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• 48:20
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• 48:22
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• 48:32
  Speaker 4: It's the same old Seattle, and this Texans defense is
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: just completely falling apart.
• 48:36
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  Speaker 1: Mike, what goes into managing IR for you the rest
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  Speaker 1: of the season with the limited number of return spots?
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  Speaker 11: Probably just the depth that you have at the position
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  Speaker 11: or the need. And I don't think it's something that
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  Speaker 11: you really want to make a habit of, but we're
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  Speaker 11: who's healthy, who's healthy enough to return. Some guys aren't.
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  Speaker 3: Is there a report that you guys moved on from Bryce?
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry?
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Is there a report out there that you guys decided
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  Speaker 3: to move on from Bryce Berninger as the punter? Can
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  Speaker 3: you comment on that?
• 52:00
  Speaker 11: I mean, I think that I certainly appreciate what Bryce
• 52:03
  Speaker 11: has been able to do for us, and.
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  Speaker 5: I think just.
• 52:07
  Speaker 11: That was... Those are tough decisions. I don't think those
• 52:10
  Speaker 11: are things that you necessarily take lightly, but... Once you
• 52:15
  Speaker 11: kind of get the specialists and the snap and the
• 52:19
  Speaker 11: hold and all the stuff that they do. We just
• 52:24
  Speaker 11: felt like this was best for us and best for
• 52:26
  Speaker 11: Bryce and give him an opportunity to kind of go
• 52:30
  Speaker 11: punt and see if somebody needs a punter. If we
• 52:33
  Speaker 11: would need him back and he was there, we would
• 52:36
  Speaker 11: want to have him back. You kind of make a
• 52:40
  Speaker 11: decision with a specialist and as long as it's going well,
• 52:44
  Speaker 11: which I think it is and.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: Everybody else does.
• 52:46
  Speaker 11: You kind of just stick with it.
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: How much do you want to take care of a
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: guy like Bryce in that situation too, Mike, for what
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: he's meant to be?
• 52:52
  Speaker 11: Well, I mean, I think it's kind of twofold. It's
• 52:54
  Speaker 11: just give him an opportunity to go kick and have
• 52:57
  Speaker 11: an opportunity to go work out. You know, there's a
• 53:00
  Speaker 11: lot of things that he'll be able to do now
• 53:04
  Speaker 11: not being on IR.
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: Mike, do you have anything to say about Josh Muschnowski?
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Mitch. Monday, yeah.
• 53:17
  Speaker 11: This was a while ago. Mitch punted a lot of
• 53:20
  Speaker 11: games in the National Football League.
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: He could flip the field.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: I think he gets it off quickly.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I think the plus 50s have improved.
• 53:27
  Speaker 11: He's got different punts and different kicks that he uses,
• 53:42
  Speaker 11: and I think he's been pretty consistent.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: I think the hang time's been pretty good.
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: Is that something that you guys are hopeful that it's
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: a short-term thing?
• 53:57
  Speaker 11: I don't think it's for the season, but I couldn't
• 53:59
  Speaker 11: tell you what short-term is determined by however many weeks
• 54:05
  Speaker 11: he has to be out, but I don't think it's
• 54:09
  Speaker 11: going to be– it wasn't going to be this week,
• 54:12
  Speaker 11: so we figured it was going to be at least
• 54:13
  Speaker 11: four games, so that's why we made the decision that
• 54:15
  Speaker 11: we made.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: As far.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: As your $ 250, 000 fine, how is that explained to you?
• 54:24
  Speaker 11: I don't have any comment. It was– those things are
• 54:28
  Speaker 11: supposed to be held in strict confidence, confidentiality, so I'm
• 54:33
  Speaker 11: not going to comment. Again, I'm not going to comment.
• 54:37
  Speaker 11: I can't.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Not supposed to.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Are you under the impression that could be rescinded with
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: good behavior?
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: I can't comment.
• 54:43
  Speaker 11: I think as best as to talk to the lead,
• 54:45
  Speaker 11: they seem to have plenty to say already about it.
• 54:48
  Speaker 11: So I, I just really, I would say this about
• 54:53
  Speaker 11: the officiating and I've said this numerous times.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 54:57
  Speaker 11: The second hardest thing to do on Sundays is, is
• 55:00
  Speaker 11: officiate and they do a great job and it's not easy. Um,
• 55:05
  Speaker 11: and we have to understand, They're part of the game.
• 55:11
  Speaker 11: I think that they do, like everybody else, the best
• 55:15
  Speaker 11: that they possibly can. There's going to be bad calls
• 55:18
  Speaker 11: by coaches. There's going to be bad plays by players.
• 55:21
  Speaker 11: Once in a while, an official is going to miss one. Again,
• 55:24
  Speaker 11: how we respond to those things is critical. I enjoy
• 55:30
  Speaker 11: when they have conversations with me and can explain exactly
• 55:36
  Speaker 11: what it is that they saw or they follow up
• 55:38
  Speaker 11: with another official. And, you know, as long as I
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: get an explanation about what they saw, then I have
• 55:44
  Speaker 11: to be okay with that. And I would say for
• 55:46
  Speaker 11: the most part I am, and I like the ones
• 55:49
  Speaker 11: that are willing to communicate and say, hey, this is
• 55:50
  Speaker 11: what I saw. And they did it, and they're decisive
• 55:53
  Speaker 11: about it, and they're confident. And, you know, we can
• 55:56
  Speaker 11: always go back and second guess, but it's not an
• 55:59
  Speaker 11: easy job, and I think they do really good.
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: Even though the game was Thursday half of Monday?
• 56:09
  Speaker 11: There?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Why was that the choice?
• 56:13
  Speaker 11: Try to be aggressive. I mean, it's like something that
• 56:17
  Speaker 11: we felt like we want to continue to do. We'd
• 56:22
  Speaker 11: like to have better execution, but we've had a lot
• 56:28
  Speaker 11: of success doing that, so I don't want to be
• 56:32
  Speaker 11: a results-based analytics person here. We didn't get it, so
• 56:40
  Speaker 11: we shouldn't have gone for it. We've had a lot
• 56:43
  Speaker 11: of success with that, and that's something that we feel
• 56:46
  Speaker 11: like we can kind of work our way across midfield,
• 56:50
  Speaker 11: and once we're in that area, there's things that we like,
• 56:53
  Speaker 11: and we've done well there. It's disappointing that we weren't
• 56:57
  Speaker 11: able to get it, but I would imagine we'll still
• 57:01
  Speaker 11: try to continue to do it.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Obviously, drafted by Tennessee in 22, I just what was
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: it like working with him?
• 57:08
  Speaker 11: It was great. Malik was, um, you know, he's continued
• 57:12
  Speaker 11: to develop and, uh, that, that's the thing that, uh,
• 57:15
  Speaker 11: you know, I'm, I'm proud of him for, and I
• 57:18
  Speaker 11: know that he should be proud of himself to continue to,
• 57:21
  Speaker 11: to battle and go to green Bay. And, you know,
• 57:24
  Speaker 11: I try to stay in communication with him and tell
• 57:26
  Speaker 11: him congrats and that I'm happy for him. And then
• 57:28
  Speaker 11: he gets a deal in Miami and, you know, he's talented,
• 57:32
  Speaker 11: very talented. He's a, He's got a strong arm, can
• 57:35
  Speaker 11: throw at different platforms. He's a strong runner. I think
• 57:40
  Speaker 11: he's starting to see things a little quicker, a little clearer,
• 57:44
  Speaker 11: just as he's developed in the NFL.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Drake made several plays kind of off script the other night.
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: How valuable is that skill set for you guys?
• 57:56
  Speaker 11: I think you see it on the other side of
• 57:58
  Speaker 11: the game there offensively for Chicago. Just looking back and
• 58:05
  Speaker 11: the plays that Caleb made off script and certainly value
• 58:09
  Speaker 11: that from from Drake and his ability to extend plays.
• 58:12
  Speaker 11: And sometimes you can't block them all or sometimes you
• 58:15
  Speaker 11: don't block them very well at all. And sometimes somebody
• 58:18
  Speaker 11: makes play and Drake extends and either runs or keeps
• 58:21
  Speaker 11: his eyes down the field like he did a few
• 58:23
  Speaker 11: times there when we needed to have some plays.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: How have you felt about AJ's performance in the run game?
• 58:31
  Speaker 11: Well, we know it takes all 11, and I wouldn't say,
• 58:34
  Speaker 11: you know, receiver's job is critical to be able to
• 58:38
  Speaker 11: protect the guy who has the ball and how well
• 58:39
  Speaker 11: they play without the ball. So I would say offensively
• 58:45
  Speaker 11: we have to do a better job, and that includes A.J.,
• 58:48
  Speaker 11: that includes the quarterback coming out with play fakes, and,
• 58:52
  Speaker 11: you know, that's what it takes in the run game.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: It's Legal Seafood's Fresh Take of the Week.
• 58:58
  Speaker 15: Seafoods is giving fans a true taste of Boston this
• 59:06
  Speaker 15: season as the official seafood restaurant of the New England Patriots.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Pre-game or post-game, get the seafood you love at your
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: local restaurant today, LegalSeafoods.com. Paul, you got a fresh take
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: for us?
• 59:18
  Speaker 9: I'm completely unprepared, but I'll tell you I'm going to
• 59:21
  Speaker 9: come up with one off the top of my head.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Here's my fresh take. Get right game for the offense.
• 59:26
  Speaker 9: It's going to be an explosion against that overmatched young
• 59:30
  Speaker 9: Miami Dolphins defense. I think they're playing hard for Jeff Halfley.
• 59:34
  Speaker 9: They just don't have the horses yet, and they don't
• 59:36
  Speaker 9: have the experience. I think this is going to be
• 59:38
  Speaker 9: a career day for Drake May. That's my fresh take
• 59:40
  Speaker 9: of the day.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: Okay. I love it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: And it's Dolphins and seafood. There you go. Let's eat.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: Let's eat Miami.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Because you often think of dolphin when you think of seafood.
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: Well, no. There is two types of dolphin, Paul. There's
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: the mammal dolphin and the fish dolphin. And fish dolphin
• 59:57
  Speaker 5: is very good to eat.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Now, which one is a porpoise?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: That's a mammal dolphin.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: That's a mammal dolphin.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 8: I'm not eating dolphin.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: Bottlenose. But mahi-mahi, I believe, is a type of dolphin.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: Oh, so then I would eat dolphin.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: I always thought that was tuna.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: Maybe I'm wrong, but There is a fish that's a
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: dolphin that is very active.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 8: I'm not sure.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Let's look it up.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Did you get the fried dolphin roll?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: Let's look it up.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: The fried dolphin roll.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: I'm fairly confident that dolphin is a really good fish.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I always thought mahi-mahi was like a tuna.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: It's a mahi-mahi.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: This is going to be great.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: The dolphin fish is also the mahi-mahi.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: I did not know that.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: But it's known as the dolphin fish, but it's its
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: own type of fish.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: It's actually known as the mahi-mahi. Dolphin fish is its
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: real name.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Really? So it's called dolphin fish, but it's not a dolphin.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: But it's good eating.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: No, it's a dolphin fish. That's what it's called.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: No, it's not the size of a dolphin, but the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: fish is shaped like a dolphin.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: The dolphins we, you know, flipper is the dolphin we know.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: It's a, you know, porpoise. It's a dolphin with a porpoise.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 13: Okay.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: I see what you did there.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Anyway, big week for Drake Bay.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: This is probably the worst pass defense in football that
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: they're playing on Sunday. Their tape against the Jets was.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: Well, we'll talk about Miami tomorrow.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 8: Oh, sorry.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: We're not turning the page yet.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: It smelled.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: I want to get to our callers and emails at
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: this point.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: It was really bad. Oh, yeah. Let's turn it over
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: to the listeners. They've been patiently waiting.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So we'll start with... Let's see. Eric is in Pennsylvania.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: What's up, Eric?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Eric.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: Eric. See, you know, you try to go to them.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Not that patiently, evidently.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: And they're just not ready. Disrespect. They're just not ready.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: All right. What's trucking, Eldred? Eldred.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 9: Hey.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 11: Hey, fellas.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 16: How y'all doing?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: Good.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 16: Hey, I just got a couple questions, and maybe y'all
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 16: could help me, especially the ball knower. Hey, okay. I
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 16: know we rank 30th on offensive line and run blocking,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 16: but anybody want to blame Stevenson and– Henderson, you know,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 16: Henderson do have a slight adjustment, a lineman that he
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 16: needed to adjust. But on those blitzes, I saw that
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 16: game again. They showed it again. I think it was
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 16: Sunday night or was it? Yeah, Sunday night, early Monday morning.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 16: What a overpowered line and shootout. We don't have a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 16: side adjuster like when pops see it, you know, hey, I'm,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 16: you know, whatever for Drake May or maybe even A.J.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 16: Instead of going down five yards and try to cut across,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 16: make it do an end cut. They don't have no
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 16: sight adjustment like that when they see that, especially when
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 16: the corner's coming off the corner. And I leave it
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 16: at that, and I.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 14: Take it off the air.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: Okay, thanks, Eldrick.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: They do have sight adjustments. Usually, you know, I think
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: that this is one of the things, and.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: I love myself in this category as well, ultimate, we
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: can watch the film and we can break it down
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: and it's a lot of fun and it's cool.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: We don't know the scheme. We don't know the play calls.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: We don't know, uh, exactly what's actually going on, uh,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: from that standpoint. And I, you know, I know Kurt
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: Warner put out a breakdown about site adjustments and all
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: this kind of stuff that they have site adjustments. Uh,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: I think in this game, the bears did a good
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: job of popping out the rushers underneath a lot of
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: the hot routes that the Patriots were trying to run.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: I guess you could make the argument that they need
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: to run better hot routes. Like they need to like
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: be more deceptive or, uh, you know, more multiple and how, uh,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: who's running the hot route and all that kind of stuff. Um, but, uh,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: they'd have all that kind of stuff. I think that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: just from a, I guess, philosophical standpoint, they'd rather get
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: it blocked than throw hot against blitzes. So that's why
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: you see the split back formation and the seven man
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: pass protections and things like that. I think they would
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: rather try to adjust pre-snap the blocking to get hat
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: on hat versus Drake May staring down the barrel of
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: an unblocked blitzer and having to throw hot. But I
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: know that that was out there and I'm sure that
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: Drake May will get asked about it. Mike Rabel was
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: asked about it. And, you know, maybe they just need
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: to do a better job of executing.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Was that on the fourth down play right out of
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: the shoot when they got him with the corner blitz?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: There was one specific one that they got him on
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: a free runner over the left side.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: And A.J.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: Brown was running a vertical. on the backside of the formation.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: And there was a lot of space. If he had
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: run a curl, if he had run a slant, like any,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: like anything else like that and cut off his route,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: he was going to be wide open behind the blitz.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: And he, he kept running up the field and that
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: brought out this whole, you know, why isn't he sight
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: adjusting and so on and so forth. So that's a
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: long winded answer, but the short answer is yes.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 9: Remember when Brian Morey and when we used to have
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 9: the football games at Walpole Park South?
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: And we used to do the sight adjustment with Brian Morey?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: He would be the quarterback, and you would give it one.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: This was the sight adjustment. Hot route. Hot route. I
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: don't know what that means.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: Sabah is in North Carolina. What's up, Sabah?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 13: Hey there, guys. I got my T-shirt.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I'm wearing it now.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, good. Saw the pic.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: Good. Great.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 13: Thank you.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: I got some things.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 13: I was going to call right after the show, but
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 13: I'm like, I'm going to be angry if I call
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 13: after that game ended. So I'm calmed down a little bit,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 13: but I'm still upset at one A.J. Clown, okay? He
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 13: is not helping his quarterback at all. And what I
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 13: don't like is the narrative, is even your coach, well,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 13: we can't turn the ball over.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 16: Well, you know what?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 13: Caleb Williams took a sack he shouldn't have taken, and
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 13: his team bailed him out. Okay, so Drake throws an interception.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 13: And does that mean they got to go 80 yards
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 13: and score a touchdown?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 14: Is that what that means?
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 13: Like, he has to be perfect, but it's okay that
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 13: the defense can't tackle? I've never seen Gonzalez play a
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 13: game so poorly in my life. I think he may
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 13: have been sick. I'm going to give him a pass.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 13: I mean, that guy Ellis missing of an assignment.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 14: And then on the guy in the.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 13: End zone, when you had him, you got to grab him.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 13: And is he allowed to throw a pass into triple
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 13: coverage behind his right receiver? And his right receiver makes
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 13: the play. Drake Mays throws it in the hands of A.J.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: Brown.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 13: He does nothing with it. I don't understand what's going on.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 13: It is getting late early. We got to start winning
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 13: these games. You notice I said we. Because everybody else
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 13: in the AFC has games they've won. If the playoffs
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 13: were today, the Patriots are not in it. You cannot
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 13: let these games go like this. This should have been
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 13: a victory.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 9: I haven't seen a single person crap on Drake May
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 9: after that game. I don't know where this narrative is
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 9: coming from, but I've heard criticism of the defense. I've
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 9: heard criticism of the wide receivers. I've heard criticism of
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 9: going for fourth down in the first drive of the game,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 9: which immediately put them behind. I haven't heard one single.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Person put this game on Drake.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 5: It was a bad throw on the pick, but people
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: are saying, but besides that, Drake had a good game.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 9: And I actually think they're being a little kind, because
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 9: I think he got really hot in the middle of
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 9: the game. I think he started kind of slow, and
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 9: he kind of fizzled at the end.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but Caleb messed up toward the end.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 13: It just got covered up.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: Well, what I would agree with you, Sabah, is the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: defense didn't, help out thing.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 9: No, it was all Drake May. I think Evan said
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: it perfectly in the first hour of the show. It's
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 9: like everything in that game was basically on Drake May's shoulders.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and Valentin from Switzerland would agree. He said, we
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: didn't lose the game because of Drake's pick. We lost
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: the game because we couldn't move the ball in the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: fourth quarter when it mattered with the game on the line.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: I find that more worrisome.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 9: I would agree that that's more worrisome, but you lost
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 9: the game because you couldn't stop Chicago the whole night.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 9: The game kind of unfolded the way a lot of
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 9: people thought. It was going to be a high-scoring game.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 9: I think I picked 31-27.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: It's 30-24, so we're in the neighborhood. They needed to
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: come up with a stop or two.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: And not just a stop, like a stop that, like,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: a complimentary football stop. Like stopping the drive after 13
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: plays in field goal range is to me is like, okay,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: you stop the drive, but you had two opportunities on
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: the other side of the 50 to get off the
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: field on third down and you didn't stop the drive.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: Then it's not just the field position.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 8: It's the, it's the time.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Do you know what the time of possession was in
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: the fourth quarter? Six minutes in that 12 and a
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: half minutes.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: To two and a half minutes.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: It's not just the field position of getting the stop
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: on third and nine backed up. It's also the game
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: clock and how much time is left in the game.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: So that being a 13-play drive, yes, it didn't end
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: in points because they missed the field goal. but that's
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: still like a big drive in the game that they
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: went on.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: Carter in Indiana, first-time emailer, listening for a long time
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: as a Northwest Indiana resident. This past loss earned me
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: a lot of jeers from all the Bears fans around here.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: I was glad we hung around, but the halftime buzzer
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: beater really made it look better than it was. I
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: feel as though Drake did good with ball security, but
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: just looks like he's suffocating sometimes out there, especially compared
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: to Caleb Williams this week. Also, the jump ball to A.J.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: Brown upset me because it barely looked like he tried
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: for the ball, probably because of the ankle. Last thing
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: I want to ask. A few weeks ago, you were
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: talking about uniforms and the socks not being correct. Do
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: you guys remember the Zoltan Mesko sock gate fiasco? I
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: do not. I don't.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I remember Zoltan Mesko, but.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: I do not either. I fail to remember that.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Can I ask a question about the defense, though, guys? Like,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I know we've talked about turnovers in the past, and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: I just... I don't know what the answer is of...
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Is there anything you can do to improve your takeaways?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: Is it.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: And I know, Ed, we've talked about it, and you've said,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it's just streaky. The ball finds you sometimes,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: and that's part of it, but... And I think about
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: the 2010-2011 teams that got a ton of takeaways, but
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: were terrible defenses.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: So I just don't know what the truth is of
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: are you a bad defense if you don't force turnovers
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: or are you just kind of that's just kind of
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: the circumstance this year and you just have to keep
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: playing through it and maybe in important games you will
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: come through with them even though you haven't produced them
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: consistently because they get asked about it so much and
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: it's just there's no like we'll just do this. But
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: there's also part of me that thinks if you're a
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: good defense and you really are aggressive and you're forcing
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: teams into tough throws and tight windows and You're punching
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: the ball. I mean, I know they stress punching the ball,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: that you're going to get those takeaways. So I just
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: am stuck thinking, does this reflect on this defense that
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: they just don't push the envelope enough and aren't, and
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word aggressive, it's just
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: they're not playing, turning the screws on the other team,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: forcing them into mistakes, or is this just kind of
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: how it goes? In some years, you just don't really
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: get some. And it's not a referendum on how good
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: of a defense you are.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: I think turnover, as I've said it multiple times, I
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: think being a turnover defense is so overrated. I think
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: it's very situational. It's very luck driven. Like you can
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: force fumbles and not land on the fumbles. And it's
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: not a turnover. If you don't recover it, you can
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: get a tip ball on, you know, that other team,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: the tip ball goes right to one of their, their
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: defenders and gets picked off. But your tip ball drops
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: on the, in lands on the ground. And I'm not
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: saying that that's all that it is, but there's so
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: many bad bounces or good bounces, depending on which perspective
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: you're taking, that lead to turnovers. I think the one thing, though,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: that is consistent with most teams that force turnovers is
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: pressure on the quarterback. When you're causing pressure on quarterbacks,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: you're causing errant decisions, errant throws, things like that that
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: tend to cause turnovers. So if you're not getting pressure
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: on the quarterback consistently, then it's chaos. You need to
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: cause chaos to get turnovers.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 9: I don't think necessarily it means you're a good or
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 9: a bad defense based on that, but I do agree
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 9: with Evan in that. If you consistently get pressure on
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 9: the passer, you're probably going to be okay in the
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 9: turnover margin because of the obvious. Look at how many
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: interceptions come because the guy had to throw it before
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 9: he wanted to.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Or it's late and the receiver can't quite secure it.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Guys in this league are so good.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: Balls do get tipped.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 9: The passers and the passing games in general, it's very
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 9: rare that you just have an errant throw that gets
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 9: picked off. You know, usually it's because a guy is,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 9: you know, is causing the throw. Like, think about Mike
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 9: Vrabel hitting Kurt Warner in the Super Bowl in tie law,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 9: being there to pick it off and run it back.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Anthony, I saw a lot of scuttlebutt about
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: the play calling from Thursday, but how much of it
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: was Josh calling run plays as opposed to Drake May
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: checking into run plays that look favorable based on the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: defensive look?
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, that's a tough one to answer.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: There's all there's all sorts of different variables there. Like
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: sometimes they have to play calls in the huddle. They
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: have a run in the pass or a pass in
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: the pass or run in the run.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: And he's canning.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: He's alerting based off the defense like. You know, sometimes
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: you can pick up on some of that stuff on
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: the TV copy and stuff if you hear it or
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: if you see him signaling or something along those lines.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 8: But sometimes you can't.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: So it's kind of a hard question to answer of like,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: you know, that third and sixth run on the opening
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: drive of the game where they ran it into the
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: pressure front and they didn't get it blocked. Like, was
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: that the play call or was that a checked run?
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: It sounded like it was the play call. that one
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: is always like a tough one to answer.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: Canadian Mike in stinking Florida. I love you guys. Been
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: watching the show forever, but oh my God, I came
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: out of that game. Not too upset. In fact, I
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: thought if the bears had missed that field goal, I
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: was confident the Patriots are going to score for Thursday
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: night game where the home team typically has the edge.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: I thought they played a decent game against a good team. However,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: I tune in today and it's all doom and gloom.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: Cheer up boys. We have the lowly dolphins coming up.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: back to our winning ways, hopefully get some more bodies back,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: and maybe A.J. Brown will get his head out of
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: his you-know-what. So in summary, Patriots are fine. Cheer up,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: and A.J., wake up. Are we doom and gloom?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think we're doom and gloom. No.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 9: I give the Patriots a ton of credit for showing
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 9: that mental toughness that we talked about at the beginning.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Of the show.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 9: I think they were on the verge of being in
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 9: real trouble in that game on a few occasions, and
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 9: to their credit, they made Chicago play 60 solid minutes.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: And, and I think Chicago.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 9: Was better in that Thursday night game, but the Patriots
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: stuck around that, you know, they get the kind of
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 9: the gift at the end of the half.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, again, they fall.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 9: Back behind by 13 and Drake may goes right down
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 9: the field and they get the rare and touchdown to
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 9: get back within six. They never let Chicago get comfortable
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 9: right down to the end where they're forced to make
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 9: a long 58 yard field goal to put the game away.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: But, I can say all those things positively about the
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: mental fortitude that the Patriots showed.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 9: And I can also say, I don't know, like they
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 9: basically scored 14 points in the game. I mean, they
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 9: were gifted seven at the end of the half and
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 9: they were given three at the end of the, in
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 9: the last minute when Chicago was up nine, like you
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 9: need more production than that.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: It's just, I feel great about Drake May. I mean,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's exciting to watch him every week. And
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: that to me is, is the first biggest piece of it.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, they're four and three. And
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: now it's like, What kind of team are you going
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: to be? Are you going to be a team that's
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: going to streak to the playoffs in November and really
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: start putting it together? What's interesting to me is identifying
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: what can be fixed and trying to fix it, not
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: sitting here going, isn't this great?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: We got Drake May.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: That is great that you got Drake May, but you're
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: going to need a lot more if you want to
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: have a fun playoff.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: That game in Munich should be interesting.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: It's the Lions.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: You know what I blame this on? I blame this
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 9: on the sudden groundswell after the Raiders game heading to
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 9: the Jets where The schedule wasn't tough anymore. The schedule
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 9: suddenly became easy.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: Are we back? Because we just penciled in wins against
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: teams like Chicago because everybody in the league stinks except
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: for the Patriots. And this is what happens. Chicago's not
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: the best team in the NFC. They're not the best
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: team in.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 9: The league, but they're pretty good. They won 11 or
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 9: 12 games. I think they won 12 games last year
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 9: with the playoffs. They lose in overtime in the divisional round.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: That's a good team.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 9: Like, I don't know why everybody just thought that was
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 9: a nothing game, that they had no chance to lose.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: But a lot of people felt that way.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 9: They convinced themselves that all those NFC North games are
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: not going to be difficult.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: I think they're all going to be tough.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: They certainly are.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 8: I don't do moral victories.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: I don't either.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 8: Sorry.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: Question. What are your thoughts on getting Henderson involved in
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: kick return? Seems like a great opportunity to get him
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: the ball in space, weaponize his speed, give him some
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: of those hits. that get him into the game a
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: la Kiner against the Jets. I don't mean this in
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: a mean way, but it's not as if he's some
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: prized possession who can't play on special teams.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: I don't hate it.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: Am I the only one who remembers that his first
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: touch in the NFL was kick return touchdown in the
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: first preseason game? I've been pounding the table for this.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: For him going back to last season. Would love to
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: hear Vrabel's response to this question, and I'm somewhat surprised
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: that no one else has asked. I don't think Kyle
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: Williams is an answer back there. Give me kinder and
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 5: Henderson on kick return for a chance.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: At X plays.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: So he has been asked about it and we have
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: talked about it. And notoriously, the answer is that he's
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: a very important player for us on offense and we
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: don't want to risk injury for him on defense now or.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: On special teams.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: Now to the emailers point, he's not really doing much
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: on offense. So at this point, is he really this
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: like super valuable offensive player anymore?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: I can hear the argument more now.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: I would not put him in kinder both back there
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: because those are your two backup running backs that you're
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: both putting.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: At risk like that. You have to think about the
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: injury risk.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: Antonio Gibson blew out his knee, returning a kick last
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: year and missed the rest of the season with a
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: torn ACL. Like the players get hurt on the kickoff
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: returns and, So I think that that's where they're trying
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: to manage that situation. But like the emailer said, now
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: that Henderson is not giving you, you know, a ton
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: of spark on offense, it's I'm more open to it
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: than I have been in the past.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: I would just say the injury, too. We don't know
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: how much of that is playing into this, If it
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: was all performance-based and he's not playing because of performance,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: then I think it's a great idea. If he's kind
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: of banged up, we're trying to limit him a little bit,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: then I would say let's wait before throwing him on,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: which certainly with him on a kickoff return is going
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: to be a car crash.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: I'd like to see it.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to it.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: But if people think his problem is vision, then... How's
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: that going to work out?
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, he wasn't great at it last year. I mean,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: I know he took one back in the preseason. The
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: first time he touched it. Against Sonny's Cowash All-Stars. Never
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: done it before.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 8: He did it in the Super Bowl, too, though.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 8: He had a good one in the Super Bowl. Out
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 8: to the 40-something yard line.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: What? No. He didn't?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think that.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 9: I don't think he looked great returning kicks last year
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 9: when he did it.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 9: I mean, I'm not saying he didn't have any. Like,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 9: Corey Kiner's had a couple of good ones, either. I
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 9: think the kickoff return game, in general, has been bad.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 9: I think that's another part, to Evan's point about it's
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 9: all on Drake May's shoulders. I don't know where they
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 9: rank because I don't look at the minutiae, but I'll
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 9: bet you they're in the bottom five in average drive
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 9: start because they don't create any turnovers to get short fields.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 9: And their kick return game, with the exception of that
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 9: Jets game, has traditionally been inside the 30.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: They haven't gotten much out of the kick return game.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: No one's kicking it into the end zone because they're
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: not afraid of Usually our returns are short.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: Of the 30.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah. I, uh, the, the, the kickoff return in
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: general is a pet is, is like something that grinds
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: my gears, not just with the Patriots.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: You don't like it. Uh, I don't like it either.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: I don't, I think the lack of creativity and the
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: kick returns is like kind of sad.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: That's all.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: Like, I think that the way that the rule is designed,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: the two returners back there, the line of scrimmage that
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 4: you're basically setting by having the, the two different teams
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: so close to one another, uh, they just kind of block.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: They just kind of block the guy in front of them,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: and there's no creativity.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: There's nothing.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 5: What I would do is I would move the line
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: of scrimmage up. So I would make the landing zone narrower.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: I would move the line of scrimmage up closer to
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 5: where the returners are, and the kicker has to get
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: it over that line so that there's more of an
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: immediate impact for the runner, but... There's not as much
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: field that you have to gain in order to break one.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: So what's the line that they line up on now?
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: Everything's closer. I think they're at the 30.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 30, 35. I would move it to the 20.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: Because the landing zone's the 20. So the landing zone
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: is the 20. Yeah. You know that. They have to
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: get it to the 20.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: I would move the line of scrimmage to the 20.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: You know? So just make that.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: I would just, you know, go back to the way
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: they used to have kickoffs. Yeah. And just do it
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: that way.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: This thing, to me, is just a gimmick. My issue
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: isn't about the rules and the setup. My issue is
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: that I think teams are just so afraid of having
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: something catastrophic happen on a kickoff return, like they try
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: to do something cool and it ends up in a
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: turnover or something like that, that they just don't do
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: anything cool. So now the idea is just let's just
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: get the 30-yard line, and that's it. And it's like
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: that's just the line is.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: You know, if we got the 30 yard line, that's
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: considered a good kickoff return.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, now. So now you're just kind
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: of it's just boring. Yeah, it's just it's just boring.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: And there's no blocking schemes.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: Nothing that the runners, the returners are coached to not be.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 5: creative in their return. I rarely see a guy change direction.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: It's almost like, just hit it.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: Kickoff return in general is north-south. You don't want to
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: be dancing on a kickoff.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: Return in general. You've got all that room, and you've
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: got the whole field. I don't know. It just seems
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: like the rare times that I do see guys try
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: to take it wide, they get a little bit more
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: than they would have if they just hit it up
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: the middle.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I, that's all directional, like based off of where
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: the ball. Well, where the pocket is.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 8: Uh, but like, I, I just feel like it's so vanilla.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: Like I, I, I, you know, when I do watch
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: some of the, when I give up big ones or
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: have big ones, I do watch the, the all 22
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: of the kickoff returns. And like, it's all the same thing.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: It's just man on man blocking, right? Kick returner right
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: up the gut. And sometimes you may, you crease it
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: and sometimes you don't. And it just seems to me
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: like there's missed opportunity there of like getting creative, not
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: just with the returners, but also the blocking schemes of
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: like ways to do different blocking techniques.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: And things like that. And they just don't do it.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: I remember when the first, when the rule first got implemented,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: you know, it hadn't started yet. We were at, um,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: I don't, I, it was some event and I was
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: sitting at a table with Ernie Adams. And I said,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 5: you know, this new rule, I think it gives an
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: opportunity to do some creative things. And he immediately looked
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: up and like, you could see the light go off.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: And then like, he didn't, he said, yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: He remembered he wasn't supposed to talk.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: He wouldn't tell me like what he was thinking, but
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: a guy like that, I would think maybe he cooked
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: something up, you.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Know, has there been any, uh, I just want to
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: know what the information is since they changed the kickoff
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: to what the average field starting field position is like,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: how has it dramatically affected?
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: You know, it's definitely better, a lot more advantageous towards
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: the 30, obviously, because.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 8: It's short in the field significantly.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: And like, I think that that, you know, there's like
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: a lot of people that are like, what happened to
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: like the 300 yard passing games and like all the
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: yards and stuff like that, that, each possession is on
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: a shorter and shorter field. So like there's less yards
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: to make, you know, like, so it's never thought of that,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: that that's, I think a big part of it as
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: well as like, Now, like, they're returning it out to
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: the 30, the touchbacks to the 35. So, like, you
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: get a couple first downs, you're in field goal range.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: Especially with some of these kickers. And the kickers drill
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: in 60-yarders and stuff like that. Like, it's no longer, like,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: you need to put a drive together to get into
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: field goal range.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: Like, you can get a couple first downs and be
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: in field goal range.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: Russell in Florida, tough to lose, but understandable given the
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: injuries both sides of the ball in the short week.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: That being said, Marcus Jones struggled in this game. and
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: it seems to be an ongoing issue outside of the
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: Bowers game. Do you think Elliott and Vrabel will look
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: to add depth to both sides of the ball?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: Outside of the Bowers game?
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Did he say?
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: Right. Well, I think maybe he's giving them a pass there.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: Maybe.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: But we're not going to give them a pass for
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: them having Colson Loveland on them in the red zone.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: He is struggling a little bit.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he is. If I were in the front office,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 5: I'd be inquiring about Tariq Woolen from the Eagles. Jones
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: is in a funk and Davis has had trouble staying healthy,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: especially considering his age. I also think if you're in
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: the mood to spend, maybe see what Quentin Nelson would
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: get from what we could, you know, how to get
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: him out of Indy. Yeah.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 8: Requel on different positions.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: Like to me, and we talked about this on the
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: post game show, I, and I get it. Like we just,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: we've talked plenty about Marcus Jones, like great player. He's
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: always going to be five foot eight. There's going to
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: be times where teams get him on a tall receiver
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: and they're going to chuck it up.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: I would see it more.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: And I wouldn't say this is a trade thing, depth
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: at the safety position and not having to use him
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: as much on tight ends and having a little bit
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: more freedom to use him on defense rather than he's
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: your top nickel guy. This is our top package. If
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: you had a third safety that you liked similar in
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: a style to Marcus Jones that now you have a
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: little bit more package flexibility. I mean, like, you know,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Nick M and worry would be the prototype right now,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: but You have those kind of guys. Now you can play, oh,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: they got a small slot this week. We got Marcus
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: on him. They got a big tight end who really
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: moves like Brock Bowers. Now we got a tight end
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: we feel really good about at the line of scrimmage.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: I think instead of trying to replace him at the corner,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: I would say the answer to me is at the
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: safety position.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to absolve Marcus Jones or anything, but
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: I think Deuce nailed it. Like, this is a personnel
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: matching issue, not a Marcus Jones.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 8: Like, Marcus Jones can't grow.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: Like, he can't make himself bigger and go from 5'8
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: to 6'2.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 8: It can't happen.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: Trust me, if it could, I would try it. But
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: it can't happen.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: So, like, this is just, I put the impetus on
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: the coaches. Like, you have to keep him out of
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: those matchups.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: And if you can't keep them out of those matchups
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: and I put the impetus on the front office to
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: find guys that can get them out of those matchups.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: And Jalen Reed supposed to be that guy. It hasn't
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: really stuck. He gave up one play in five snaps.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: He gave up a 22 yard catch to Loveland up
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: the seam. But like, they that's, that's the issue. It's
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: a personnel matching issue. It's, it's not necessarily like, is
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: it Marcus Jones's fault that they flex out Colson Loveland
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: in the red zone and he gets matched up on
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: a guy that it's got like a foot on him
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: in the red zone and he gets big boy for
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: a touchdown.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: And he couldn't wait to attack. Right.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 9: Like, but that, I agree with everything you guys are saying.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 9: And that's, you know, Carlton Davis's absence. He's missed what
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 9: three of the last four games, something like that for
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 9: the last six or the last six. Now it's, it's
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 9: glaring because it, it's putting two smaller corners on the
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 9: field because Charles Woods is playing, you know, more than
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 9: he would.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: And you kind of can't take Marcus Jones out now.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 9: Like, and I agree with everything that the guy said
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 9: about the three-corner nickel look, right?
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: He's 5'8.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 9: He's going to get matched up in tough matchups in
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 9: that if you don't have any options to fall back on.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: So they need Carlton Davis back. At least that'll give
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: him some flexibility.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 9: You know, maybe Del Pettis comes back and you start
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 9: using him a little more because, the Jalen Reed thing
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 9: kind of isn't really there.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: This is why those players like Eamon worries, obviously the,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: the prototype, you know, Kyle Hamilton, Derwin James, like these
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: guys are going higher and higher in the draft because
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: they're the 12 personnel kryptonite, like having a safety that
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: can cover tight ends that can hold up against the
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: run in the box. And at the point of attack
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: on the strong side, like those guys are now extremely
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: valuable players.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 9: That to me watching watching that one of the first
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 9: you know i didn't watch a ton of it because
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 9: it was that game declared very quickly the other night
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 9: seattle kansas city i knew where that was going um
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 9: you could notice how much even worry means to the
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 9: like that was a different everywhere i mean Kansas City
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 9: scored three, the Patriots scored ten, like, whatever. But, like,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 9: the difference to me was how Seattle looked. I thought
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 9: the Patriots had a much better feel for moving the
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 9: ball when they played Seattle than Kansas City did the
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 9: other night.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: They couldn't move it at all.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 8: They didn't even go.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: To the red zone.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 8: First time in Mahomes' career to not have a red zone.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: Travis in West Virginia. This came up in the postgame show.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: I'm very disappointed in Deuce for not knowing that Eldred
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: doesn't do long-haul trucking. Yeah. I thought he doesn't do
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: long haul. I thought it was more.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he said.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: He's local. So, Travis, you need to listen.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: No, that's what he said. That's what you just read.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: He said he, I didn't realize.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: He's disappointed that Deuce didn't.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Know that he doesn't do long haul.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: I didn't know that he doesn't do.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: That's what you said.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he doesn't do long haul trucks.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: No, that's what I was informed of.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 5: I knew that.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: Does he or doesn't? I don't know.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: It's only local.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: Clogs or clogs?
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: But they still give them the.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: Like, you're still allowed to do that with the local trucking.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: Well, all trucks have that horn.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Oh. Okay.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: You know, they don't take it out because you're not
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 5: going long haul.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: There's a little bit of douche privilege hanging through here.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just interested in.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: And I know that.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: I just like the arm wrestling with the trucking world.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: That's what interests me. Over the top.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 4: I have some trucking stories off the air.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 9: Oh.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: This guy. Rest stops?
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 8: Friend of mine's dad.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: On a long haul?
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: D-E-A.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: Let's see. Rusty and Arlen.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Rusty and Arlen.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: There's been a lot of discussion about the line, and
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: I feel like Wilson has been under the radar. Do
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: you feel like he's been a hit at center? His
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 5: whole thing in the draft was he was kind of
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: raw but had upside, right? Both in terms of run
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 5: and pass blocking.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: I think Wilson's been okay. I think he's been okay.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: I heard his name. Yeah, I was... I thought he was.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: We did earlier.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: I was kind of hard on him early. I mean,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: and I, you know, I was waiting to pass judgment
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: on him. But I think he's been solid. It's just
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: hard because you're not seeing the production, you know? And
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: it's like, you look at, like, the pass block win
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: rates and the run block win rates, and he's up
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: there on some of those rankings. But, like, it just
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't translate.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: You don't have a good run game.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, that's great, but... What's going on?
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: What does it mean?
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: At the guard spots. I don't know how, like, to
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: evaluate him properly.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: Because, like.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, the guards have been such a revolving door that, like,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: it's hard to sit here and say, like, that anything
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: on the interior is really working. I think the one-on-one
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: pass blocking has been pretty solid. You know, centers don't
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: get a ton of action on one-on-one pass blocking, but
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: he's been okay. And, you know, we'll see about some
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: of the other things when the whole rest of the league.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: one good dominant run-blocking center is not going to make
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: you a good running game. So to have the results
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: really bear out, you need more than just that.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: We did see Elijah Veritaker in the locker room. I mean,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: he wasn't practicing or anything, but anytime you see those
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: guys around, I think it's semi-positive. Vrabel kind of playing coy, though.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 8: He said it wasn't season-ending.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: Didn't seem like it was season-ending, wasn't making any prediction,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: but love to get all these guys back after the bye.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: Darius in Louisville. Uh-oh. Yeah, he's coming after you, Paul.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: That's okay.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: Not really worried about AJ or the loss to the Bears.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: We'll be fine. We have a Drake that's an Avengers reference. Yeah.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know if... Hulk. Matt got that.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: We've got a Hulk.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: One thing I'm noticing after years and years of watching
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: you guys is how hypocritical Paulie is. He hates when
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: other people say, if this and if that, but he
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: sure does love saying it. It could have been 31-7
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: if this happened, blah, blah, blah, but it wasn't, Paulie.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: We still had a chance. If you like using hypotheticals,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: then let everyone else use them without being an a-hole
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: That's true, and that's exactly what I said.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 9: Despite all the things that happened in the game, the Patriots'
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 9: mental toughness gave them a chance and forced Chicago to
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 9: play a 60-minute game.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I said.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: You did say that.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: Despite all of those.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 9: Things that went wrong and all the missed tackles and
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 9: all the struggles and the pick in the end zone
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 9: and all those, they didn't allow themselves to get blown out.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: Flipped it on him.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 6: I agree.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: Flipped it on him. It's a positive. I didn't flip it.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: That's what I said originally.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: Dalton writes in from Illinois. I think Eli Raritan is
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: solidifying himself as the future tight end for the Patriots.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: I enjoy seeing them run the two tight end formations
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 5: with him and Henry. Raritan is everything I thought Jacob
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 5: Hollister was going to become. Jacob Hollister?
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: I liked Cody Hollister better.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: I think he might be kidding. I don't know. Thoughts
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: on his future?
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: Encouraging i mean it's bright you know i think he's
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: i just i just like when rookies are able to
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: play and contribute and look it hasn't been like overwhelming
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: production um but it's been really solid and i think
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: it's the same way i feel about uh akis you
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: know it's like really solid playing well getting a lot
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: of experience here as a rookie and i think these
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: guys are going to be part of the of the
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: equation i i keep adding though at the tight end
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: position i keep adding um But it's nice to see
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry coming back, too. I think that's helped Eli Raritan.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 9: What I don't know about Raritan is, does he project
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 9: as the top guy?
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to do it all. Now, not that Hunter Henry's
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: not known as a blocker. He's not the most physical guy.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 9: But can he be a full-time number one tight end
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 9: down the road?
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: I agree with everything Mike said about his start. We
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: all thought he would be a contributor, and he is. Yeah.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: notoriously slow developing position. I have bought this up several times.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: And so he's on pace right now for four 75
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: and six touchdowns, which is like pretty good for a
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 4: rookie tight end. We'll see if he hits the, you know,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: stays healthy and hits that. As a pass catcher, I've
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: been really encouraged. The run blocking, we'll see. The pass catching, though,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: he's a mismatch. When they can get him on a
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: linebacker up the seam or across the field or whatever
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: the case may be, he's a mismatch. And you saw
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: it on Thursday night with the seam runs. You know,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: I thought he was open both times.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 8: I thought he could have had.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: Touchdowns on both those plays with better ball on the
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: first one. So, that's encouraging. Every single week he gets
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: matched up on a vertical against the linebacker and he
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: wins the round almost every week.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: It's another small sample example for me that Drake, Drake
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: likes to run with the tall dudes, you know, like
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: he likes those guys. He's, he's, he's finding those guys.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: He's tall.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 8: He's got good speed.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: He's a good athlete.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: He just, the run blocking is, I think a lot
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: of the things that we talk about with the run
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 4: game is, a lot of people focus on the backs
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: of the offensive line and the scheme, but the tight
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: ends blocking is just as important as a lot of
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 4: those things.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 8: And they can't block the edges.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: They can't block the edges with the tight ends. They're
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: asking poor Efton Chisholm to like get into a car
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: crash on every single time he goes in there. to
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 4: dig somebody out so uh that that's a big problem.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: He's a willing blocker he sure is he is a.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: Willing blocker and i feel bad for him because they're
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: literally like block this nickel who's inside of you in
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: the hole and you have to come up and you
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: have to insert and block him and it's literally like
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: their ass freaking car crash every single time so.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: Good for him don and philly i'm okay with drake
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: may interception in the game played excellent other than that
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: there's another one that Killing Drake May.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 9: I just don't think people... Nobody has. I actually think
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 9: they've been a little light on him. Based on the
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 9: first and fourth quarters.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: I don't want a quarterback who is scared to make
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: a play, live and die by the gunslinger. Feels like
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: we have our own version of Josh Allen. That wasn't gunslinging.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: We'll cross Quentin Nelson off the list.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: The rich get richer.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: Adam Schefter reporting, Quentin Nelson to the Seattle Seahawks.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Colts are open for business.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's... Wow.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: I never thought it would make any sense.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 9: I didn't think that the Patriots could make that move.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 9: I'll be curious to see what the compensation is, but
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 9: I've got to think it's at least a day two pick.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 9: Like a second or third round pick because he's in
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 9: the expiring contract and that's what he's going to get.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: He's going to sign somewhere as a free agent, right?
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: He's going to be worth a third round comp pick, right?
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 8: Probably.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 9: My guess is it's going to be a second or
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 9: third round pick. Could the Patriots afford to trade a
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 9: first round pick for A.J.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: Brown? And I know it's in the future. And then
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: maybe a second round pick for Quinton. I don't know.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not telling you I would have said no. I'm
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: just saying I think you have to think about it.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: And all the money that they already invested in the
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 4: guard and the offensive line in general. I know that
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: on winters in the contract year he's going to be
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: a free agent, but they have $ 25 million worth of
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: guards on injured reserve right now. So just from a
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: roster building standpoint... And you add $ 10 million for Quentin Nelson.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: So now you're paying $ 35 million in guards on your team,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: not to mention the investment of the draft capital and
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: all that stuff, too. Just from a roster-building standpoint, it's
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: one thing to go get a Greg Van Roten type
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: that's a veteran that's played the position.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: Even that's probably more expensive than you want it to be. Yeah,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: but at least that one I can be like, okay,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: that's a.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: You know, a guy that you hope can just be steady.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: But to go out and make a splash like that
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: after you just signed Vera Tucker in free agency and
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: use first round picks and back to back drafts on
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: offensive linemen, it's just a lot.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: I struggle on this. So I know the next two
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: weeks are being constantly trades and who should we trade?
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: I just I I don't know where to do it.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know you need to be. serviceable at guard,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: and I think that that, you know, I wouldn't be
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: willing to overpay for that.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 9: And I think they were serviceable at guard the other night.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: That didn't destroy the game.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: I don't see any position where I'm really willing to
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: give up and feel like, all right, that's going to
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: put them over the top. This is, you know, like
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: the young edges. I mean, you still got Harold Landry.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: Is he going to come back? I mean, you know,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: I'd rather have some of these young guys.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah, 2027 third and a 2028 fifth.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: Call Paul. Paul nailed it.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 9: No, I just like, I was just, he's got to
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 9: be worth the third comp pick, right? If he signs
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 9: as a free agent. And I know that would be
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 9: in the future. Um, I just kind of said that
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 9: off the top of my head when you watched. Did
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 9: you feel like the guards sort of destroyed the game?
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: No, I actually thought Walter Rouse was promising. I thought
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: that his performance in the game was pretty... Penalty each, but... Yeah,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: Pryor is what he is. He's slower-footed at this point
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: of his career, and he's sturdy.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: He's got a good base to him.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: He can move people on the line of scrimmage, but
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 4: he's not going to be a high-level pass blocker at
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: this point. Rouse is, you know, maybe they have a
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: little something there, like a Ben Brown type, like a
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: guy that can swing and play inside.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: We interviewed him yesterday, first time we talked to him,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: but really, really nice kid. I mean, really good head
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: on his shoulders, aware of everything that's going on. You know,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: just one of those guys after you hear from him,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: you're like, I want to root for this guy. Like,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: he seems like he's invested in this.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: He made a really good block on Kyler Gordon. The
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: guy over him dropped out of the rush and Gordon
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: blitzed from the slot, and he got his eyes out
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: to Gordon and put Gordon in the ground.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: And I was like, good awareness, you know, of things
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: that are happening.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: So I actually thought that he looked like somebody that, okay,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: maybe he could be like a quality backup spot starter
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 4: type of player if he keeps on this trajectory.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 7: Jeff?
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: This is funny how this all works now with ESPN.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: Schefter announces it, then Pellicero's got the terms, but it's
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: Schefter and Rap Sheet. It used to be they were
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: all kind of competing for stories, and now it's like
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: any breaking news, they're all in on it.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Pellicero's by himself. Oh, right.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: You take the first one, I'll take this detail, and
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: you take that detail.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: But that's huge for him, right, just to get the
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: terms quick.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: That's definitely the Schefter-Rapaport thing right now.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: Pellicero's kind of kicking their butts. He's been getting a
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: lot of the scoops first.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: Let's see. Jeff in Canada might be an unpopular opinion,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: but I thought that was the best game Drake played
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: in the NFL. I like Paul. Don't count exhibition games
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: against the Jets practice squad. He threw a pick.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair. Like, this is a bigger spot,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: so he gets more credit for it. That's good reasoning.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: He threw a pick. Yes, it happens. See Tom Brady
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 5: in the fabled 2018 AFC Championship game. He threw two,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: one in the end zone. I do notice May seems
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 5: to struggle with touch versus velocity in the red zone.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: What is the best way to improve this? Is it
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: reps or play calls? P.S., I've already demoted Henderson to RB3.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: Please pass this information on to Vrabes and Josh. I
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: think the velocity thing is confidence. He's just got to
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: be sure of his pass. Be sure of his decision
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: and just, you know.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 8: I think I don't want to look too much into it.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 8: I think he made a bad throw.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know if there's, like, anything bigger than, like, it's,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: he doesn't know how to wait the ball or anything
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a problem with that one.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: I just think there's been a difference between the first
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: few game Drake and like that felt unsure and not
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: putting it in.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't really see that last couple of games.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: This was a bad throw. Yeah. It wasn't a bad decision.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 8: He was trying to look off.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: He was trying to look off the safety and then
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: kind of not like no look it, but kind of
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: just come back to it like quickly. And he just
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: didn't see where the linebacker was in relation to Raritan.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: And like, I agree.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: Didn't put the ball in the right place on the throw.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: the best game of his career, I still feel like
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: was last year in Buffalo. And I'm not like that
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: one is going to be tough to top to me
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: because of the level of difficulty of some of the
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: throws that he made. I mean, the best throw of
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: his career is the one that digs on the sideline there.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: I think that that is the best throw he's ever
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: made in the NFL.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 9: And that was an amazing throw. And then he did
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 9: some of those things in like, got to have a
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 9: third down spots too.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, shrugging the guy off.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 9: But I like the emailer saying, like, you know, I'm
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 9: not necessarily counting when we're playing the JVs from the
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 9: Jets and we're throwing five touchdown passes in a half.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 5: The throw to Booty against Houston in the playoffs was
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: a good throw, too.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was a better catch. In the game
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: as a totality, it wasn't there. Your guy with a one-hander.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: Maybe it was just because the Buffalo game was kind
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: of the coming-out party, but... In Buffalo, prime time.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: Consider the spot.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: They've won the division in the last, whatever, five years.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: Outplayed Josh Allen. I thought he was pretty good in
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 9: I thought the third quarter, that touchdown drive in the
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 9: third quarter was exceptional.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: I thought that was as good as I've seen him.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 5: Sean from Spokane, Washington. Can you guys explain how the
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys got six, most behind the Chiefs, which had
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 5: seven primetime games last season? In this season, the Cowboys
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 5: already have four primetime games through seven weeks, most in
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 5: the NFL. And then he goes into their record. So why?
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 5: Because they have a huge fan base.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 9: And the league hates him and they want to give
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 9: him the primetime gains, which are harder to navigate.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: I don't know about that, but it's ratings. It's all
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: about money. Whenever there's a question about why, it's money.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: It's always money. The Cowboys have this huge, huge fan base,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: second to none. And when they're on TV, people watch.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 5: That's why. It's that simple.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 9: And they're a polarizing team. People watch to root against you.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 9: People like you, Fred.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: My father.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: Your father? You don't like the Cowboys?
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 8: Can we go back to the Colts thing real quick
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 8: for a second?
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to the Colts.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 8: Any interest in Grover Stewart?
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: Sure. Absolutely. Because I have a lot of interest in
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: Grover Stewart.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: That's a position you could talk about.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 8: If you want to finish out this defensive line.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: and get a true nose tackle, run stuffer in the
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: middle of Milton Williams and Christian Barmore, I think that
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: would improve the defense on the margins quite a bit.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: Just pillaging the Colts.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 5: Well, apparently.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: They're open for business. Schultz just said that DeForest Buckner's next. Yeah.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: That he's getting... He's on the block, and he's going next.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 9: I'd take him, too, but... Wow, Dante Moore will not
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 9: play for the remainder of the season. That's big for Oregon.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: I think he's a free.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: Is he a free agent next year?
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 8: Josh Downs.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: Josh Downs? Um... How do I think about that one?
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 8: Yes, they're all in the same class, him and Pop.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: Bryn writes in, to set the record straight, he says,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: Mahi Mahi is not a kind of dolphin. Dolphins are mammals,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: but Mahi Mahi is a kind of fish. The only
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: connection is that Mahi Mahi are sometimes called a dolphin fish,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: but it's only the name that has a connection. Again,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: There are two different species that live in the ocean.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: We all know that.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: That's what Fred said.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: We said one's a fish, one's a mammal.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 5: We said that, Brent.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: You learned that to me. You taught me that. I
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: love it. I always thought mahi-mahi was tuna.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: That's ahi.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: It's ahi tuna.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: Mahi-mahi is very big in the Caribbean, so I've had
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: quite a bit of mahi-mahi in my life.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: I don't eat any of it. It's very good.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: You haven't had fish in a long time, Paul. Since
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: you were 10. No. No, seriously.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: I've had it since then.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: I thought you haven't. I have.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: Why are you telling me what I haven't had?
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: Because I know you haven't.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: You don't know everything about me.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 8: What is the festival of fishes?
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: I know a lot. You do know a lot.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 8: It's the seven fishes.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: What is that seven fishes thing you guys do?
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: We don't do that.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: Come on.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: We don't do that in Christmas.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: Mahi Mahi is not one of the seven fishes?
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: The seven fish are ravioli. Dolphin. Lasagna.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: A little manicotti. It's the seven mammals. A little what? Manicotti.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: What about tuna fish sandwich?
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love tuna fish sandwiches.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 5: Oh, then you have fish.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: I told you I've had fish since I was 10. Yeah.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: But I think you'd like a good swordfish.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: I also had like a swordfish steak as an adult.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah. That's fish.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: No, I know. I'm trying to explain to you I've
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: had fish since.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: I was 10. But there's other fish you might like too.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: If you like swordfish, you might like salmon.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: I was at a wedding rehearsal dinner.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: You don't like salmon?
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: I don't like salmon. You're going to like, just get
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: a steak.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. Beef.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: Better. It is better.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 8: You're going to have like a... That's why I gravitate
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 8: toward that.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 5: By the way, I won't name the steakhouse. Uh-oh. Because
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: when we're on the road, I usually eat at a steakhouse.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: And I noticed lately that a lot of the steakhouses
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: are over-salting their steaks. Oh. And I think it's because...
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: People like flavor? I think they're trying to make them
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 5: last longer.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: And I think they're over-salted.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: Great theory. Now, when you go to the steak... The
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: steakhouse is on the road. Do you go to local
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: places or do you go to chains?
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 8: Capital Grill.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: No, usually try to go to the best steakhouse that's
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 5: a local place.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: But once in a while, you can't find one. You
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 5: can never go wrong going to a Capital Grill.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 9: I know, but you can go to a Capital Grill anywhere.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: So when we were in Seattle, we went to this
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 5: place called The Metropolitan. I think that's what it was called.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: It was like the place. And it wasn't that great.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: I have to tell you, the ambiance was awesome. But,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 5: you know, and then we went to a place in Chicago.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: I won't mention the name.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: But you threw the one from Seattle right under the bus.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: It's far away.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: Well, I don't want to get. Kat invited us, and
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 5: so she picked it. I don't want to.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: I did go to a place in Charleston the last
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: time I was down there, like a couple weeks ago.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: It was called Hall's Chop House.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, that sounds good.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: It was really good.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 9: It was better food, but a very similar ambiance to St.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 12: Elmo.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 9: You know, like kind of that old school, like kind
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 9: of dark, different rooms. You kind of felt like you
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 9: had some privacy within... You know, a restaurant, but really,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 9: really good.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 8: What'd you get?
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: What'd you get, Evan? Chicago?
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: Did you get anywhere special?
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: Deep Dish. Yeah, we went to... Did you go to Uno's?
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: Did you go to the original one?
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: No. No, Luma Lattes?
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: We went to the other one, Pequod's? Yeah, because we
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: went to Luma Almanac.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: We went there the last time. Drake May's rookie year
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: when we were in Chicago.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: Big win.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: Did you like it?
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really good.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: Couldn't eat a lot, though, right? Very dense. No.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Couldn't.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: It was very good. Now, with your gluten, can you
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: eat that?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 8: Dairy-free.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: Dairy-free.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: Dairy-free.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: Big, like... How do you have dairy-free deep dish?
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 8: Dairy-free cheese.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 5: If cheese, it's not made out of.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 8: It's made out of, like.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: But they have these, like, big, like, cast iron, like...
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: They spit on it. Deep dish.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 8: And they have, like, these handles... So that they can take.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: Them out of the oven without burning themselves or whatever.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: And they carry them around by the handle. So they
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: don't have to put their hands on the big cast
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 4: iron thing.
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  Speaker 2: I can't have gloves.
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  Speaker 4: And so they literally walk around with it like this.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just like a clamp.
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  Speaker 2: That sounds nice.
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  Speaker 8: It's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: That's cool.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Fred, here's your game. BYU UCF.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 5: Um, let's see, Adam in Louisiana writes in, uh, the
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: interception Drake threw to the bears was identical to all
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: the times he would throw at the back of the
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: linebackers last year and have Henry or Hooper come down with.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: I remember him making that exact throw multiple times last year,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: throw it at the linebackers back and hope he doesn't
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: turn his head. Evan praised it last year, but hated
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: it every time. All it takes is for the linebacker
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: to turn his head.
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  Speaker 8: Well, this one was like woefully underthrown.
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  Speaker 2: That's the difference.
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  Speaker 4: It's true. The back is to the quarterback. You can't
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  Speaker 4: see the ball. If you put it up and over
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: his head, but he didn't put it up over his head.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: He underthrew it.
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  Speaker 9: You could make an argument that this pass would have
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 9: fallen incomplete had the linebacker.
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  Speaker 2: Not turned his head.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't have made it. Because I don't think
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: it would have reached him.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: It could have played by him, too, to get his
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: head around and make the catch.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 9: And it may have been like if the linebacker doesn't
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 9: turn around and Raritan makes a play on the ball,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 9: it may have created a penalty because he wouldn't be looking,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 9: and now he's going to try to run through the defender.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: He gets a penalty, but it wasn't going to get completed.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 9: Those passes I think that he's talking about the tight
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 9: end was able to get his hands on around the linebacker.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: Or over the linebacker.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: Caught it over him. No matter what, he had to
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: put it up. Your tight end's 6'6. Put it up
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: above his head.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 9: If he puts it up to the outside, now it
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 9: can't be caught by anybody but Raritan.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: Back shoulder, up on the back shoulder was the perfect
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: place to put it. But anything above the guy's head,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: it would have been catchable.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 8: It would have been fine. Just underthrew it.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: Thorder from Iceland. writes in.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: Thor. Thor.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, got to put a pin in that one. Whatever
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 5: happened to our map with all the countries?
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: It's in the closet.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 5: It's in the closet?
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: He has some criticism of Christian from L.A. Oh, easy.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 5: He said, in the latest episode, Christian said, which is
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: not correct Icelandic. In fact, it isn't Icelandic at all.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: To wish someone a happy birthday in proper Icelandic, you say,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: til amming ju met af mi lit.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 5: Translation, congratulations on your birthday. Literal meaning, to happiness with
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 5: the birthday. So there. And to defend himself because he
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: knew this call was coming.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: Icelandic fight.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Christian in L.A. who does not know how to
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 5: speak Icelandic.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: Apparently, whoever Thor there is, He doesn't sing happy birthday,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 14: because when you're in Iceland and they sing happy birthday,
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 14: they do not sing congratulations on a good birthday day.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 14: They say huna amalida, which translates into happy birthday to you.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know. He's from Iceland, so I don't know.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: It's right on brand now.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 14: Huna amalida. You can say lots of different things.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, you can.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 14: Literally say congratulations on the birthday to you, but if
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 14: you are phonetically correct, you say happy birthday to you,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 14: which is the same four words that we have phonetically.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 14: It's just those specific words. Please feel free to look
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 14: it up. I always come with receipts. Anyway, hey, you guys.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: So on to.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 14: The football stuff. One, for the kickoff return, if they
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 14: want to make the game exciting and they want to
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 14: prevent more injuries, take two people off of each team
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 14: off the field on the kickoff return. More space. You're
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 14: saving four guys the potential of injury, and you might
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 14: get an exciting play that makes them touchdowns. But that's
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 14: what I'm– My thing on.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 5: The kickoff return.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 14: As far as the game goes, yeah, let's give the
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 14: guys a pass. It was a pretty short week, and
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 14: they came and they showed heart, which is the most
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 14: important thing that they could do. Third thing, this guy
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 14: with the gun situation in Tennessee, bad decision. I don't
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 14: know if it says anything about his character. Obviously, Stoller
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 14: was willing to go to bat for him. Vrabel might
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 14: have coached him before.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: This guy seems.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 14: Like a big run stopper. Is there any chance outside
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 14: of the Patriot way and the whole culture thing that
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 14: we talk about now that Vrabel is, you know, hmm,
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 14: can we get this guy? And then my last thing
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 14: I got is this, and this is the most important thing.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 14: How many more games do we give A.J. before the
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 14: conversation starts? You had the whole offseason, you had the
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 14: whole preseason, and now you've had the whole regular season.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 14: if you can't catch the ball and you don't have
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 14: explosiveness after injury at his age, the conversation is going
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 14: to start. And the thing I fear with AJ Brown
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 14: is once the conversation starts, his head is going to
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 14: check out. I'll take it off the air.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: Love you. What do you mean?
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 8: What conversation?
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 5: Well, that he's not, he's lost it.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 8: Oh, I think that word people are already having that conversation.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's been, yeah, it got loud this way.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 9: I think a lot of people, myself included, and this
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 9: is not, I know people say that I be hypocritical.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 5: Um, I.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 9: Came out of the Jets game very encouraged by how
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 9: open he was. And I was just saying, well, you
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 9: didn't catch the ball. And I'm not really worried about
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 9: that because the guys caught the ball his whole career.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 9: I don't have the same enthusiasm after this game as
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 9: I did after the Jets game. Now, there's probably Mike's
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 9: point about five days later on a bad ankle. Maybe
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 9: he was less mobile than he was in the Jets game.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 9: But he did not create the same kind of separation
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 9: in this game. He was not really involved.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: And I didn't like, to Christian's point, I kind of
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: agree with him.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 9: I didn't like kind of the compete level on a
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 9: couple of the deep balls.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: I thought, at least go up and try to make
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: a play on the ball. I'm hoping that in two
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: months he didn't lose it. Jaggi cornerbacks, I think, were
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: stride for stride with him.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 5: He'll be better in this game. And then it'll be, well,
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 5: it's the Dolphins. He'll be better in this game.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to be patient with him. I think
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: the compete thing is valid. But two days, two games
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: in five days coming off an injury that we thought
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: might have cost him at least six. I mean, he
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: came right back. You know, I felt like, oh, this
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: is going to be at least six weeks. So, look,
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: And it's murmuring.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: And it should be. But the biggest games are still coming.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: And I hope that A.J. Brown is going to get
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: back to the point that we saw him play this summer.
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: I know he's better than what he's put up the
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: last couple weeks. All that said, I do think the
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: compete stuff is something that that. I mean, she already
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: asked Vrabel directly about it. That's under the surface too.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: I think the, uh, the catch point stuff is the,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: like at this stage of his career, he has to win.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: At the catch point.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 5: Totally.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 4: He's not going to be blowing by people anymore and,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: you know, losing coverage like he was maybe four or
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: five years ago. So like now he's going to be
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 4: in contested situations and, He's extremely strong, and he's a
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: big dude, and he's got to be able to out-muscle
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 4: guys for the ball, not only on deep balls, but
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 4: also if there's a guy on his back, he should
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: be able to box him out on, like, an in-cut
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: or a curl and make the catch.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: He's got to go get the ball.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: That's why I worry about the ankle.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 9: Like, can he explode to the ball, you know, as
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 9: you just put it, at the catch point?
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 9: Can he go up and explode, like, Mike and I
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 9: were watching that comeback, which was really his only catch
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 9: of the game in the regular part of the game.
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 9: And it took him a while to bottle down, turn,
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 9: and come back. So I know he's not healthy. That's
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 9: not the same guy I saw in training camp.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: I do wonder if there's a world where they can
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 4: do what they did with Diggs last year and only
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: play him like 55, 60% of the snaps.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get Matt Collins, you know, we'll get Matt,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: start to get some depth back. And then it's, I mean,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: it's just, it doesn't feel like it's going to work
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: with AJ Brown and the little kids, right? Like, it's not,
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: it's not going to work.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: Because, like, everybody's, like, talking about the run blocking and, like.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: I don't care about that.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 9: Does anybody criticize, like, Jackson Smith and Jiglip for not
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 9: springing the running game in Seattle? Like, if he was producing,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 9: this wouldn't be an issue. He's not producing, and that's
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 9: why this is an issue.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: Jack in an Abba, as far as steakhouses go, says
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 5: in Chicago it's got to be Gene and Georgette's. I've
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 5: heard of that place.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: That's where the crew went.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: The radio crew and some others went there. Yeah, I
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: know the spots.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: Gene and Georgette's.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 8: Their budget's a little high.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 5: In Arbor, if you're wondering, it's the Chop House on
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 5: Main Street.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 11: Where?
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: In Arbor, Michigan.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 15: In Arbor.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: In Arbor. In case we're there. Okay. Let's see. Who's this?
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: Jeff writes in, forget a new car. Paul needs a
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 5: new pair of shoes.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: You like the hole?
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 5: That's just poor to me.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: You have no more excuses. I don't want to put
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: your public info on it.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 9: That ink is not dry just yet.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: I got some things in the works.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 8: I want to see a car.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: I want a whole new wardrobe that fits. You're not
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: going to get a new wardrobe. It is what it is.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: I wear quarter zips every day.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 8: I don't care about the quarter zips.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: They're wearing suits every day.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 5: The pants.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: The pants fit too. They would fit the old you
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: as well. No, they wouldn't.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 5: You look more stylish.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe a fedora.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 5: You dress like Florence Henderson on the Brady Bunch. I mean,
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 5: they're mom pants.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: This is what I'm... Taking fashion advice from this guy.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 5: All right. That's going to be it for this edition
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 5: of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back tomorrow.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: He's got crumbs on him. He's got stuff on him.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 8: He's had crumbs on me.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: The whole show, actually.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: Just some tendy crumbs.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: But that's what I do.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: It is what you do.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: It's part of his character.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: It is part of your charm.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 5: All right. We'll be back tomorrow at noon. More calls
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 5: and emails. We will turn the page to the Miami
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 5: Dolphins and talk about What a bloodbath that's going to be.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: Big get-right game.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 5: All right. We'll see you then.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: Hey, this is Deuce.
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