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Aske-ing for a Friend | Robert Aske · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: This is season six, episode eight.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Megan Moore.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for feeding me all your leftover Super Bowl food.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're more than welcome.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_02: I hope you enjoyed it.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's like Thanksgiving, how you get all the good leftovers afterwards.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: But then you're also either really pissed off or really happy based on the outcome of things.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's true.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_02: And either tastes bad or good.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: It reflects in the food.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: I had, because I texted Megan before this, because again, we try, try, try is the key word here.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: We try to theme our food around like the episode.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: And if they're from a specific place in the world, like we try and do that with our menu.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: But today I was like, hey, Megan, I'm giving you a super English menu tonight.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: Meaning leftover Super Bowl food that's in my fridge.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: Leftover apps and finger food.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: It was good.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_02: I liked it.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I gave her Philly cheesesteak egg rolls in honor of Philadelphia.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because Robbie actually is an Eagles steak.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's why you did it.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_02: Did you get that?
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, now I got it.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't get it when I was eating it.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_02: Philly, like Philadelphia Philly cheesesteak.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: It was good.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: And we didn't want to just do a Philly cheesesteak because that's hard to serve at scale for a large group of people.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: So we just made them egg rolls.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: There's a new little cheese.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_02: I like it.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Robbie's very excited.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: Go Eagles.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: Go Eagles.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: We did cheer for them last night.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm, you know, can't win them all.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's okay.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_02: There has to be a winner as long as everyone had fun.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone had fun mostly.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_02: Almost everyone had fun.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not going to get into it.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: Dramatic.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: Very dramatic.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: So dramatic.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_02: Like so much hate for people who are not playing the game and they're not on the team, but we're not going to talk about it.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's like a very small percentage of the population is happy right now.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: Weird.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, all the Eagles fans are happy.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: They were like 70% of the stadium, weren't they?
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because it was more, it was closer to the East Coast, so it was easier.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_02: Well, is it really closer to New Orleans?
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like it's closer to Philly.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: But I feel like, I mean, again, I'm not looking at a map, but I feel like Casey's like right on top of them.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm geographically challenged.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_02: I recently just learned that Kansas City like wasn't even in Kansas, so don't give me started.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's technically like on the border, so it could be either.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's like Missouri or Kansas, right?
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I've heard.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I could actually point it on a map, which is a little embarrassing.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_02: No, you could.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's just like right on the border.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: The US is just so big.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, you know the big areas and you know the main areas.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think you and I, though, have a good sense of geography in this country, whereas a lot of people, I'm not, I know.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have a map?
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: I do, but it's behind my blanket that's hanging there.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_02: You have your map of the US and you color in all the states that you've run a marathon in.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: So that's you like that helped me a lot.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: But I also like I think I took this for granted as a kid.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I had a map of the US when I was like a child, like very, very young.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: And it's all of the actual shapes of each state.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's very helpful.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you put them together.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: Are you hearing this parents?
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: It sticks.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I and I literally, and like I remember that was a big thing because that was at my grandma's house.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: And my grandma would always quiz us on like state names and capitals.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: And we would remember the capitals from those puzzle pieces, and we knew how to put them all together.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: And we knew which state was what shape.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I always thought that was just standard learning for kids.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember like in college, I and I might have said this on the show before because it's a big like pet peeve of mine.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like people just don't know their states.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know most states.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: I had like a guy friend in college, and I literally slid him a blank map of the US once.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: And he was from California.
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  SPEAKER_00: No offense, Californians, but I feel like sometimes if you're from California, Texas, Florida, like you only know your specific shape.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: And you can see that.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, those are like the main ones.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because they're the main ones.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're very obvious.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_02: But when you get to all the blocks and they all look alike.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm from Colorado, so I know the blocks.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: I know the blocks.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know the blocks.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't from the block.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know the blocks.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Lizzie from the block, okay?
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Megan, who grew up between New Hampshire and California, which are very distinct.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: So you know two of your shapes.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: But I just remember how embarrassed I was for him because he filled out maybe eight of the 50.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I pretty confidently could do like I would like to test myself.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: We should buy one.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_02: They can't be that expensive.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_00: We'll just print one out.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: We'll print one out from the from the internet.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I want the puzzle from the internets.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_02: I want the puzzle.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we want the puzzle.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: I want to like do the blocky puzzle with the little pegs.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's a great idea.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna have to do that.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: That'd be fun.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then we could also fool people.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: We'll do like a little, not live stream, but just a little video of like our actual results.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: I could do, I'm pretty confident I could do it very well.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'm confident I could get half of it.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think you're better at East Coast or West Coast?
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: Probably East Coast, honestly.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: The little states?
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, those are because that's where I grew up.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: And you know you're like, you know the order of all the tiny little colonies.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: I mean you know there's 13 of them and they have to go somewhere.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: And they all have their little shapes.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_02: They're more unique than like a giant Nebraska.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: They are unique.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it took me a long time just to know which one was which.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: You know, especially like Vermont, New Hampshire.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: Can you guys tell we have nothing going on in our lives?
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking about state shapes.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: This was not planned.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't say, hey, what do we have to talk about?
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about the state shapes.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: I just I just unplanned.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just always shocked when people don't know their states.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I have to laugh.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_02: I've noticed our banter's been getting longer and longer.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: I know I'm sorry.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because I think at first I was more focused on cutting out stupid nonsense.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: Like no one wants to hear it.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like state shapes.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like the gold we're talking about.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_02: I would really love to know like how many people just fast forward through the first 15, 20 minutes, or who, or who drops off.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: And maybe we're interested.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna say though, like I don't think so.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, whoever finds this annoying, whatever, that's you.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: Fast forward, fast forward, we don't care.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_00: Or don't listen.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: Don't listen, we need you.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, we do get a lot of feedback where people are like, oh, I like to hear the banter at the beginning.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: And we just talk so like idiots.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, you guys are encouraging us to talk about state shapes.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's fascinating.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's move on from the state shape.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh what else happened in your life?
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: You started a new job.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: I started a new job.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: And you had a great first week.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was in California all week.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: So you're so fancy now.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: You might get flown out to other states and stay in fancy.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: It was fun.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: It was cool.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: But no, everything's good.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just busy.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_02: I do have to preface that um if I'm like, I'm we might be kind of hard to catch for a little bit.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_02: We've got we've really gotta be um careful about our schedule.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: We can talk about that afterwards.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: We gotta switch to weekends, I think.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_02: We'll do weekends.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: As you see, all my weekends are free on the street.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'm looking at your weekend calendar right now.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um we used to do, gosh, we we've changed it up.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: We used to do like Tuesday nights, which was random.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, when we very first started, it was our Friday night ritual.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: We I like the Friday night.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: That wasn't we can talk late and hang out.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_02: You could cut the night.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_02: I like I like a good Friday night um podcast sesh.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, me too.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it is Monday, so uh yeah.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_02: And the states are thriving.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_02: So you have the case of the mundane.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: They're very shapely.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I guess maybe, well, we do have a pretty big episode for tonight.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: We do.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we've got someone, can I just jump into it?
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is there anything else we need to catch up on?
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna tell you guys a marathon training, but who cares?
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, what else is new?
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just kidding.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: Every spring it's the same.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: The last thing I have to say is that it's a big weekend for us because Robbie's doing one of his first few marathons.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's his third.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Go, Robbie.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: And we have a lot of people coming in town for it.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: So we're excited.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: We're like hosting and we're going to a marathon.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that's exciting.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: He and I've been training together a little bit.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I'll come over and meet everyone and hang out.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: You should.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's actually a really good group.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: You'd have a lot of fun with them.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: Will they will I annoy them?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: I tend to annoy people.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, we'll just, you know, not talk about tutor history and Taylor and Disney.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: I've got to say, with starting a new job and meeting new people.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: You forget.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_02: I will I was trying to hold it in.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, no, no, don't don't show your colors too early on.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: No weirdness, right?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_02: Don't show your hand all at once.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: I even had my Henry VIII mouse pad because I was working in the office, and I was like, no, no, let's leave that one in the hotel room.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: We don't need to bring it.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: Good for you.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_02: Don't need to start weird conversation.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_02: Who's that?
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: But like it took until Thursday and it came out.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: And then once I start, I can't stop.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, damn it.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: Now I'm talking about the difference between hang drawn and quartering and what a clean beheading looks like, and examples of a botched beheading.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: And now I'm the weird one.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: And I just know I so I gotta like tone it down.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_02: I always have to tone it down a little bit.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: I tried to tone it down for years, and now I feel like it's the first thing I say, and you just have to accept it or not.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, we've got a very unique passion as every people who listen it.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: I know you, I know you share our passion with us.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: Everyone's just a little bit intrigued about the nasty blood and gore and tutor history.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I mean, oh, you know what?
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_02: Speaking of blood and gore, yes, I watched that movie The Substance.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: Have you seen it?
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: Not yet.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: And then you realize like the grotesqueness of things.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you want to look away, but you can't.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: Should I or should I not have half a gummy when I watch it?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: Ooh.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think Would it freak me out?
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um or maybe just like a whiskey.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: I would go with a whiskey on this one.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: I think you want to like chill your nerves a little bit.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'll steal myself.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um, anyway, I do want to watch that.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: I love Demi.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: It was just making me think of gross things and except for a bunch of Oscars.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I love Oscar season.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about that on another episode, but you and I need to make Oscar plans.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we should.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Before anyone else makes plans.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: Have we done an Oscar party together?
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: You and I have, but in like 2019.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: I remember.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: And we wore dresses.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_02: That fell out long ago.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: We made a red carpet.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't it just us?
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: We wore fancy outfits.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: We wore fancy outfits.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: We had like nice food.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: We had champagne.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: We wore, well, I already said we wore, but like we wore really fancy outfits, like Oscar outfits, not just like dresses.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even remember.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: That feels so long ago.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: And you and I have a picture where like it's like our fake background of a red carpet, and you and I are like avoiding the paparazzi.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, we're like, no more photos.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's back when I did a side part.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: I still do a side part.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: It just like my hair hasn't changed at all.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: No, you got highlights.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they look great.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: I've made the part a little more center.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, more reason for you to look at the video that I may or may not finally get on YouTube.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_02: Tonight.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: Tonight.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: Tonight.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_02: Serious.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Tonight, we have an execution that I personally wanted to do since like season one.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like every single season.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: You've been talking about him for a while.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: Him?
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: He's a Tudor man.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: Tudor man.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Tudor man.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Not like Florida man.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the news headlines, it's like Florida man.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Russell the Gator and died.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, we have a York man, a Yorkshire Shire.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but tonight we're gonna talk about the pilgrimage of grace.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: Which we'll get into it, is actually ends up being in a slew of executions.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Henry had a bad year that year.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: He just Henry VIII wasn't feeling it.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Can Henry the Eighth began to take a turn?
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's a very good thing.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: 3637 was was a tough time for him.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we are specifically gonna hone in on the leader of the pilgrim of Greach Gratch.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_02: See how many times I say that, the pilgrimage of grace.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, there we'll we'll bring up several executions that were a result of it, but primarily we're gonna be looking at their leader, Robert Ask.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_02: Robert Ask.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: A name that we can say.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, frickin' hallelujah.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_02: Can we just like recap?
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_00: I I think people some of the other names we were trying to say.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think listeners can tell who chooses the person that night.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: Based on pronunciation.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_02: Manius Aquilius, guess who that one was?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: I have my pronunciation here of Mithridates.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know what?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: We've had some tough ones.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: We've had to get through some clunky names.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, like Sir James Douglas and Edith Cavill.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm kidding.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, those were I know.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, anyways, so we're going back.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh is this our first tutor episode of season six?
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: I believe so.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_02: And what's what episode are we on?
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_02: You're in charge of eight.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: Eight.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: And there's still so many people we want to do of the tutors, but we always try to like trickle them through.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: We can't just do all tutors all the time.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: I I would love to, but I know.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: And obviously, we're very tutor heavy.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: But again, the primary objective of our specific show is to highlight historical executions in general.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: We can't just limit it to tutor history because there's so many.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: The French love to execute, the Russians love to execute.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: There's executions all over the world.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: But the tutors are dramatic.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_00: But the tutors, there was just a a big spike in executions in a very specific time frame.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: I realize that like the Instagram is very heavily focused.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: I even update to like tutor enthusiasts to hopefully understand that half the memes and whatever that I post are knowledgeable things.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes they're knowledgeable.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: You should read them.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um a lot of it is like Anne Boleyn Henry VIII.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_02: But it's like the guy who was setting it up for us.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's so hard to not make a good like tutor joke with Henry VIII around.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's just ridiculous.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: So um, hey, we didn't even talk about who's talking about what.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Are we just gonna wing it?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: We can.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_00: We've never wung it before.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Wunged it.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Wung it.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: Wanged it.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: So we can.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't think we've typically I take early life.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: I can just go.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: Go go for early life, and I'm just gonna let you go, and then I'll interject at some point.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: This will be raw and unfiltered, everybody.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: So typically, we talk about who's saying what.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna go.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Go.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: And you can just go in whenever you'd like.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: Robert Ask was a man born around 1500 AD.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: You have a lord.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm kidding.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so Robert was born around 1500, and he was most likely from Auton, which is near Selby in old Yorkshire.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: You had way more than I did on this.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Did you?
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_02: This is actually gonna be the first time that you tell me what you know before I tell you what I know.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: This is good.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: This is actually real conversation.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: We were venting about politics and life too much before this that we actually didn't.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: We got into the talk.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: All right, okay, I'm listening.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: This is interesting.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: So he's from Yorkshire.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: And his family was very well connected.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: So his father was Sir Robert Ask, so he's kind of a Robert Ask Jr., potentially third, who even knows, right?
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but his father was also named Robert Ask.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: And his mother was named Elizabeth Clifford.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Her father was Baron John Clifford.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: And fun fact about Baron John Clifford, he actually was a military leader in the War of Roses for the Lancaster side.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: I did not know that.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like a lot of this episode is gonna be the who's who.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: There's so many weird connections to everything.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we have a very kind of almost incestuous circle, I think, going on this time.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: So Elizabeth Clifford's father was Baron John Clifford, and her mother was actually the only daughter of Sir Henry Baumfleet.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: So if you've heard of him, he was a landowner and diplomat during this time, but also very wealthy, very well established.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_00: So this is a prominent line that his mother has.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_02: I have not heard of any of these people.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, welcome to the episode, Megan.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, I'm learning so much.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: Keep going.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're discovering this like our listeners do.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, okay.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me more.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but more importantly, uh, Robert Asks' third cousin was Queen Jane Seymour.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: That I knew.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: That I knew.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: And at this period of time, um, when he was born, she wasn't in the picture yet, right?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: 1500 was still Catherine of Aragon.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they kind of they must have been about the same age.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: Roughly, yeah.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll talk a little bit more about his how his life develops and how that overlaps with King Henry's what what's going on in King Henry's life.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: But just know that they are related, uh, Robert Ask and Jane Seymour.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: So, Ask not a whole lot about his early life, other than he's from this very prominent family in Yorkshire, and um he eventually gets into the study of law and becomes a barrister.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: I hope I'm saying that correctly.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a barrister.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: But it is a type of lawyer.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's not specifically a lawyer because they don't deal directly with clients, um, but that is his profession.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: And he becomes a fellow at Gray's Inn.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so I looked at Gray's Inn, and what what it is is essentially a professional association of barristers in London.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: And in order to even be a barrister, you had to belong to one of these honorable associations.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_02: Like being in a guild of sorts.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like being in the Screen Actors Guild or um I guess even technically lawyers these days, you have to belong to like the Bar Association, right?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's I think that's similar.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: I I I don't want to be obnoxious and keep bringing this up, but it reminded me of it because I love the Matthew Shardlake's mystery series.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: You do.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_02: I do.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: I love that.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: I still have to get started on that.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: They're really good.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: And one of them, which is called Sovereign.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it kind of takes place with this whole era.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_02: But, anyways, from the very beginning though, Matthew Shardlake, it's a mystery series, takes place in this period, Tudor England.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: But Shardlake is a barrister himself.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: He's a lawyer, and they talk a lot about the fellow of Gray's Inn and how he goes there and he knows people and where like where he works and all of that.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: Was Gray's Inn the most like prominent of the associations?
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_02: The way I mean it sounded well known.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because you know because there's four ins, technically.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because in in the novels in the series, like, for example, he goes up to York and everyone's familiar with Grayson.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: So it wasn't, I mean, add it to your LinkedIn, and I think people would have been very impressed.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Should we just try that for a week and see if anyone commented?
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Barrister at Barrister at Grayson.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: Fellow of Grayson.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: Have you heard of it?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I think people would question our credibility.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: That's okay.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: But go for it.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but another thing that these inns provided uh is that these inns, again, there's only like four main ones in London, but they provided libraries, dining facilities, sometimes professional accommodations.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: So if you needed an office or a place to stay for a few days, like it was kind of like a almost like college dorm-ish.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's almost like um not like a club.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like a between country club, and the membership, you have the membership to get in, and you have access to all of these resources and accommod accommodations.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: It they were there to help support each other, and but you weren't making money for that in, right?
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: You were well, I mean, maybe in your own money.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like any sorority fraternity organization, right?
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: If that could have been the case, right.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe it was like a percentage of what they earn, or there was just a month of a monthly or yearly thing they had to provide.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Because I doubt these story bill.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I doubt these places are just operating out of charity.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but yeah, so fun fact about that.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and Robert Ask himself was a very devout Catholic.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: So once Henry starts kind of speaking about desolution of the monasteries and things of that nature, um, Robert Ask naturally speaks out.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: So he's very like non-political up until that point.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: He's just a lawyer going about his business, going kind of to and from London and Yorkshire.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna take it back a few years first, and as a reminder, kind of set up the political climate of what's happening here in Tudor History.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_02: Henry VIII currently married to Queen Anne Boleyn in 1534.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: And it was around this time that Anne had very heavily influenced his his decision to break away from the Catholic Church.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Several reasons why Henry wanted to do this, but primary driver of it was the Catholic Church did not approve of him divorcing Catherine of Aragon and marrying Anne Boleyn.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_02: So 1533, Anne and Henry are married.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: By 1534, the dissolution of the monasteries is in full fledge.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: And Thomas Cromwell was kind of King Henry VIII's right-hand man to make make this happen.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: Henry is excommunicated by the Pope.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: He completely breaks free of England of Cat of Catholicism.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: He has developed the Church of England, he is the head of the Church of England.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he creates a whole new title for himself.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: He's like the Pope of the Church of England.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's one way to do it, right?
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like if you hate your political party so much or whatever, just make your own.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_02: But then not only that, convince, not convince, and force everybody else to do the same.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: So obviously, people weren't a big fan of this.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: And when we talk about the dissolution of the monasteries, it was a very violent procedure.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't nice.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't just handing people their pink slips saying, have a nice day.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: They were going through and they were completely ransacking all of the all the abbeys, all the monasteries, kicking out all of the nuns, all of the monks.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: They had no place to live after this.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, collected all of the relics that they had zero like um respect for whatsoever.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: Went as far as smashing windows, smashing all of these valuables, everything that meant something to people.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like destroying statues and you know, all of the things that Catholics kind of held sacred in terms of their rituals, like obliterated.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: Not only that, what got a lot of uh heat for is they they created this whole propaganda of how the and maybe honestly part of it was probably true to an extent of the misuse of the finances that the monasteries were collecting, which, okay, sure perhaps.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but Cromwell didn't do much better because he just scooped up all that money and handed it over to Henry.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what's always so funny is anytime you hear these situations of like we're gonna go in and investigate fraudulent charges and the misuse of money because I want it for myself.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's an ended up happening.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, okay, well, you're not using it for common good.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: You're not using it for people, you're using it for you and your king.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how is that any better?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: No one was came off as the good guy in this situation.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: And there were those who um had to be now switching their entire faith, everything they knew in Catholicism, all of all that they knew, all of their comfort, all of their beliefs, yeah, taken away from them, and it now became illegal to practice being Catholic.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: It should be noted too that a lot of like people who were simply poor relied on the charity of the Catholic Church.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: So much of it.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like sometimes if you were a poor person in this era, like you needed the Catholic Church simply to shelter you for a few nights or to provide you with food.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like if you're kind of destitute and all you have is the Catholic Church, like that lifeline's gone.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you have nothing at that point.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: And especially the north of England was super pissed about this.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: They're really separate from London and the city, and it's in their perspective, they had nothing to do with this.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right, they loved their church, they loved the monasteries, and it was taken from them.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: So that's just kind of where we're at right now.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: And now the year is 1536.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Anne Boleyn has already been executed.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: Henry VIII is now with Jane Seymour, Robert Ask's third cousin.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: Ask is actually on his way back to York from London when the revolt in York starts.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: The rebels.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: The rebels are.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_02: They're so mad.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: And at first, Ask had no intentions of getting involved.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, I'm a peaceful man.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a lawyer.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm a professional.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: But he had his opinions on things.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_02: Also, I just want to add, yes.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: Ask was 36 years old.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: He was our age.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_02: Literally, quite literally, literally our age.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: You're probably good.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_02: I was mind blown by this because if you've seen the tutors, which we'll probably bring up again later, they they represent him as like this 50 or 60-year-old balding man.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: No, he I don't know if I should be able to do that.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: Are we balding men?
• 25:13
  unknown: Are we balding men?
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: Are we 60-year-old balding men and we just don't know it?
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, he was probably very charming.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's very he was probably in his prime and very well spoken and very educated.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I guess 36 in the 1500s.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that's quite your prime.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, maybe because life expectancy was different.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: He was a little bit older than that.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: That doesn't mean you have gray hair and you're balding.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, just to like, I want and I'm saying that because for me, I really have to kind of envision perhaps what the person looked like.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, whatever the tutors, the showtime series, whatever perception that gave you, like put it out of your mind.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: We're picturing more of like, mmm.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like a Brad Pitt, circa fight club era.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking more like um a Henry Cavell.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like a Harry Styles.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Or like But he's very young right now.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: Is he?
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how he is.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's age.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't he?
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh god, this is how we digress.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, we're in the middle of talking about now Harry Styles has to be Googled.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: The break of the Catholic Church in Tudor England.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: But no, to your point, while you're Googling this, Harry Styles' age.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure someone here is listening and they're like, Are you kidding me?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you're not connected to the internet.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'll give you the password.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: Don't listen, listeners.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'll just I can't.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: Here, put on your phone.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: Hey Siri.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: How old is Harry Styles?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: No one wants to assist.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Neither of our series.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Someone on the other end of the listeners are like, he's 33.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: My work phone responded to you.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: That was weird.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we'll we'll come back to that.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, really quick, I just want to say a note about Hollywood is I feel like Hollywood either either really makes someone like younger and attractive, or they make someone like old and irrelevant.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: There's rarely a middle.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it reminds me if you've ever seen the movie First Wives Club, which I love.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: I love that movie.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: And in the movie, Goldie Hahn plays an actress and she jokes with her plastic surgeon.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, no, no, you don't understand.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: There are only three women in Hollywood.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's Babe, District Attorney, and Driving Miss Daisy.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, it's kind of true, like any show or whatever, but you've got to play up, like, oh, he was a rebellious leader.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: He was probably this old man, or he was this young courtesan.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like there's rarely just I don't know why they had to do that.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, rude.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, also the substances about that, about like aging in Hollywood.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: Anyways, okay, we digress.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: So um, yeah, so that this is the very start of the revolt.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they they they like the rebel the rebels, they they capture Robert, this innocent man.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: They Robert?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, our our boy, Robert Robert.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: Our hot Harry Styles slash Brad Pitt.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: And they just take him because Brad Pitt's like 55.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm saying Zirka Fight Club.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: He was like in his 30s, probably.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, look it up.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they capture Brad Pitt on the road.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then what?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, am I still going?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: See, this is you're getting the wrong road.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'll take over in a second.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: All right, I'll kind of wrap up this part then.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_02: So um they they um capture him in such a way, but in a very non-violent way.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: They really just want to share their cause and convince him, and they do a pretty darn good job of it because they completely convince this innocent, very nonviolent.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: No, none of them were violent, but he just had no intentions, like I said, of getting involved in the rebellion.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, they knew he was smart, they knew he was a lawyer, they knew that he was a devout Catholic, loved father, the son, and the Holy Ghost.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, and he frequented London because of being a barrister, he was back and forth to London from York.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: So he had an inn at the inn.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: He was um he was probably their ideal candidate who could be their leader, which is how they kind of give him this title of like chief captain, right?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: And this was October 1536, is where we're at.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_02: And he agrees, Robert agrees, I will be your leader of this giant rebellion because we're pissed off that Henry is shutting down all the Catholic churches.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: So at this point, he fully accepts his role as chief captain, and really this becomes one of the more serious uh rebellions in all of Tudor era, which is saying a lot because broke headlines.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, like Henry VIII is pissing off a lot of people.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like you have a lot of rebellions going on for different reasons, anyways, throughout his reign.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: So the fact that this is one of the biggest says something.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's also other factors at play that really led into this rebellion.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't just the fact that he was driving people out of the monasteries and the nunneries.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: There was the poor harvest of 1535, which led to like higher food prices.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: People are really angry about like cutting off certain resources or just the overall cost of living.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: Henry loves to tax people, he loves to put his people as tenants on this land and like, you know, do the whole traditional, like, oh, we're collecting too much and overworking our people too hard.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: So people are seeing all of that in addition to how he just is casting aside everyone who's Catholic.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and again, that we have the poor population who relies on the Catholic Church.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: And politically, they're also now seeing the side of Henry that a lot of people don't like because Henry was really, I think, well loved in the early part of his reign.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he was a charmer.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because he was charming, he was young, he jousted, and he was married to Catherine of Aragon for so long.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: The Eddie Red May.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: He was the Eddie Slash, slash um George Clooney.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: Jude Law, but not the grotesque version.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: I think we're aging ourselves with who we find as we said George Clooney.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: Who's the young hot Gen Zier?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: We should what's his name?
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Charlemagne.
• 31:22
  unknown: Charlemagne!
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: You're welcome.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're with it.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: We're with it.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: We cool, we we cool.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: We know about Dune.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_00: We've seen Dune, okay.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um but but the people aren't stupid.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: They're getting some of the news from London, so they know that he completely like, you know, handled the Catherine of Aragon situation poorly, like, sent her off to a nunnery essentially to die, then marries Anne Boleyn, who within a few years executes.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: So people are seeing this really dark side of Henry where they're like, whoa, he was with Catherine for so long.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: We thought we loved him as a ruler.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Now he's making all these very rash decisions.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: He executed his second wife.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: He's with Jane Seymour, like, God knows what's gonna happen.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: Immediately and gets married to her.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like in the same month.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's definitely losing his credibility as the nice guy.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so so it wasn't hard for Robert Ask to amass followers at this point because everyone's fed up with it.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: They're fed up with King Henry VIII.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: So he was able to lead 9,000 followers um to like into York, because obviously they're in Yorkshire, but they marched and occup marched on and occupied York, and they arranged for like monks who had been expelled and nuns who were being who have been expelled to return to their homes.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: So they're driving away all of the king's tenants, all of the people that King Henry put in place to like rule these lands.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: They're uh resuming all of their Catholic masses, resuming all of their religious services.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he's making all of his followers also swear an oath to him, like just like how he did, where he was like, Okay, you're gonna swear the oath of honorable men, and we're gonna do this all together.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: So he was, again, in a way, very charismatic.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: People listened and people really wanted to be a part of this, obviously for their own selfish reasons, but at the end of the day, they just knew they had to do something to to stand up to King Henry.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: Sure, and there's safety in numbers too, right?
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_02: Because, of course, the leaders of any type of rebellion, they're the ones who are risking it probably the most.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_02: If you're just one in thousands, it my mentality would be like, well, they're not gonna come and murder all of us, they can't just execute all nine thousand plus, right?
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: And it just grows like crazy at the peak of things.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't want to jump ahead because I know we're not quite there yet, but just for scale, he went from having 9,000 supporters of the pilgrimage of grace up to 30,000 people.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: It this wasn't a small group, this was just about actually, I have the names of the areas.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a small football field.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: It was Yorkshire, parts of Northumberland, Durham, Cumberland, Westmor Westmoreland.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it was all these areas up in up in the north that they were collecting, rounding up supporters.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: And obviously, Henry knows this is going on.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: So King Henry Bad year for Henry once again.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: In typical fashion, he wants this dealt with swiftly and violently.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's already begun the desolution of the monasteries, so he is not above destroying things and going in just ready to steamroll everyone.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the rebellion is so successful and does have so many people in numbers that again, he can't just go and kill all 30,000, 40,000 people.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: He knows at this point probably negotiation is necessary.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: So he sends in Thomas Howard.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: Thomas Howard, who we've talked about.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: We love Thomas Howard, third Duke of Norfolk.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, who just sends all of his siblings siblings, his nieces to the scaffold.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: For context, again, like the who's who of Tudor history.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: Thomas Howard is the uncle of not only Anne Boleyn, and sat on her trial and was basically the one who convicted her and sentenced her to death.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: He was also, years later, after this, also uncle to Catherine Howard.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um and the fifth wife of Henry VIII, and similarly, like sets her up for complete failure and sends her to the scaffold.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: Can I just say my quick like ending to Thomas?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: I know we're not there yet, but just not to jump around.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: But just to put this into perspective.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: Terrible man.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like terrible, zero morals, hates clearly hates all of his nieces and family members.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just a matter of him to race to the top.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: Probably kicks dogs.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, probably.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, in the end, doesn't look so great for him.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like, as all anyone in the Privy Council, I feel like at one point faces their downfall.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: Henry is never committed to anyone for too long.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: If there's anything we've learned, he always ends up turning on his best friends.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not a not a best friend, not a woman, not a religion.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't commit to anything.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Very non-committal.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: He commits to himself.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_02: And at the very end of Henry's life, Thomas is arrested, sent to the Tower of London.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_02: I hope I'm not saying this wrong because it's on the top of my head.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: I want to say his son actually was arrested with him and was beheaded.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was his son.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: Thomas Howard was scheduled, scheduled, he was on the books, he was on the planner to be beheaded on January 28th, the morning that Henry VIII died of natural causes.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_02: And because of that, they were like, eh, maybe we shouldn't like, you know, overshadow our king's death with bloodshed.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: And it got it got like delayed until eventually Edward VI had him released released from prison.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_02: So where was karma in all of this?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: Because he just got away and died naturally after everything.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_02: And he was supposed to be beheaded.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't that that day?
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe he should be a whole maybe I just gave away the ending to an episode.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_02: Well, stay tuned.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: Stay tuned, folks.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, sorry.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: So so continue.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: So um to continue with the story, um King Henry VIII sends Thomas Howard and George Talbot, who's the fourth Earl of Shrewsbury.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, to open negotiations with the insurgents, to get to open negotiations with all these rebels.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so by November 13th, 1536, um essentially Robert Ask is assured by both of them that he's gonna r uh have an audience with the king and he's gonna have safe passage.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: So essentially, yeah, it's not like, oh yeah, we'll get you in front of King Henry VIII.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's we will get you there, we'll make sure no one messes with you.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like we respect that you have all these followers, we respect that you guys have something to say.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna give you an audience and make sure everything is okie dokie.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: Okie dokie.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: I have a list of their grievances, so to speak.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: They had many.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: What their agenda was.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I thought this was nice.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: Henry has Robert over for Christmas.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: How sweet.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: They spent the holidays together in 1536.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they're the I'm gonna like very high level just go over their main five requests that were formally presented to Henry VIII saying, these are negotiations, this is what we want, and we will calm down.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: What they want all the heretic bishops to be punished, which is funny saying heretic because what's a heretic anymore, anyway?
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_02: The the non like all these bishops who were active acted like yeah, that were not um very devout.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh all of Henry's evil advisors.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: So we're talking all our all of our favorite cronies, Thomas Cromwell, Sir Richard Rich, probably Thomas Howard in there, like basically Henry's inner circle.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: Uh they called out the fact that they're all corrupt and they're evil and they're conspirators and they need to be dealt with.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: They they didn't necessarily say I think like executed, just handled.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: Have a stern warning.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the biggest driver of that was Thomas Cromwell.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: He was the one getting the most flack from anybody.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: Number three, they wanted to recall the anti-eclesiastical thank you, practiced legislation.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_02: So all of the non like all of the new laws that were no longer supporting their religion.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_02: Uh very specifically, persecute these two guys, Lee and Leighton.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: They were, quote, the visitors.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_02: Lee and Leighton were these two men that Henry sent up to the north to kind of like keep an eye on things.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: They were there to like announce these new rules and legislation.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm glad you looked into them because I did not.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: Good for you.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: See, this is why we got three together.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna wing it all the time.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: We did great.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they were like the spokes the spokesmen of of what Henry was saying, and then they were making sure that people were complying.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously, completely failed because a revolt started.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_02: But they um they wanted to specifically have those two men persecuted.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: Really quick, it reminds me of like, again, if you're a Hobbit fan, which I am, but there's a part where they assign someone to like stay up all night and like make sure no armies come or nothing bad happens.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, yep, like nothing to report, you know, nothing happens under my watch.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then they like turn the corner and it's just this army of elves.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: And the main character is like, oh, except for an army of elves.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, great.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: That was Lee and Leighton at this point.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_02: They turn around and everyone has pitchforks and fire.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_00: I forgot to mention this 40,000-foot rebellion.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: The last thing that they wanted as part of their list of grievances and negotiations is they wanted some type of political representation up in the north.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: They wanted their own parliament up north, which kind of like makes sense because everybody in London, and my understanding is that that would be like it's kind of like taxation without representation in a way.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: They had very different points of views, and I might be wrong on this, but my assumption of this, it'd kind of be like how Californians and New Yorkers are so different.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: And it would be like New Yorkers are making all the rules for Californians, and vice versa, without any say from one or the other.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, they are all English, yes, they are all being ruled by Henry VIII, but they have very different points of views and they don't want to be controlled and ruled by only people in that inner circle of Henry again, that one parliament, that one privy council.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: They need more representation.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's fair.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's actually totally fair.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know about the persecution and like the like making sure everyone gets punished per se.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you don't have to be so harsh.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_02: I understand.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like the two that I do agree with is can we recall some of these non-religious legislation wow, lots of words?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: Non-religious reeligious legislations.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: And then having more of the like the political opinion or representation.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it seems fair.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_02: I also do want to say through all of this, there was never any violence or bloodshed.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: No, this was very peaceful overall.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: Because the whole reason why they call it a pilgrimage of grace and not like a rebellion was because it was more so done with peaceful protest, prayers, you know, a lot of just negotiation and asking.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't like they just took to everything and burned things or killed.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we've had we've had those episodes too, where they just collect all the guns and all of the swords and whatever and just go at it.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: No, it was a very peaceful protest.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Also, their um their their bat their mask, their their banner.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm waving.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_02: Their their flag.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: They're like coat of arms.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: Their coat of arms, like, you know, everyone needs that team flag to know who's coming.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_02: It was very heavily like very heavy repres like symbols on here.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: It was just Jesus.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: It was like the two the the two hands and the two feet with the nail the nails and then and then the heart and then like the holy trinity.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the Trinity was anyways.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: It they had these big flags that they carried around.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: They had like a team mascot.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: And Robert was their like coach.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: And Robert was the coach.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um so this this list list of grievances became known as the Commons Petition.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: And they essentially gave it to the Duke of Norfolk, Thomas Howard.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: And they said?
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: And they were like.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hey trusty Thomas, can you please make sure that this is delivered to the king?
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: Again, they like they did meet with him um at Christmas time.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: Robert hung out with him.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: They shared they shared bread.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: They did, you know, but it was kind of up to Thomas Howard to like see that everything was taken care of in this petition.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: So of course Thomas Howard, who has no backbone, is like, oh, of course, you know, we're gonna make sure that Henry does all these things.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's giving all these promises, he's offering like a pardon to all the people who are a part of the rebellion.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and essentially he's saying, Yeah, like we're just gonna leave you guys alone until Parliament meets again.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna leave your Abbeys alone, and we're gonna like re- we're gonna circle back on this conversation.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's what you don't want like your manager to say.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: Is like, hey, so we talked about that promotion, right?
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna table this for now.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've made note of it.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go pass that up to the big man.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: Don't you worry.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: Looking good though for you.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: And uh unfortunately, you know, Robert or yeah, Robert at this point, he says, okay, I think we're gonna get what we want.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: So he dismisses his followers.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: The pilgrimage like officially disbands.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then what happens?
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Thomas Howard doesn't have the authority to make any of these promises.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: Henry kind of learns about this and is like, dude, what are you doing?
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you're not really allowed to make any of these promises.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna have to talk all you know about this all again.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: We need we we needed the circle back part.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: The circle back part didn't quite happen.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_02: The touch base later on.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: The one-on-one's happening.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm done.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're good.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: So um, so Robert Ask is beginning his journey back to the north, probably feeling very like victorious at that point.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, we came, we saw, we conquered, we got what we needed to do, had my conversation with Henry, Duke of Norfolk is taking care of it.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: And then on his way back, fate would have it, and this is now February 1537, that more essentially fighting and more violent fighting is breaking out.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: And at this point, it's happening mostly in Westmoreland and Cumberland, and there's like a whole nother rebellion that's taking place.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: So Robert has nothing to do with this rebellion.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: He was busy down in London trying to make peace.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_00: If anything, he distanced himself himself from it and was like, I don't condone any violence, I don't condone anything that's happening except for what we just asked for.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: But because he's not quite back home, he immediately gets arrested.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: So King Henry kind of changes his mind.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if he ever said that he was pardoned, he revoked the pardon and said, No, actually, we're gonna take you to the tower instead.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like, just don't trust anyone, especially Henry VIII.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_02: His word is good for nothing.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he Robert Ask is in the Tower of London and he's being interrogated by the Privy Council, specifically Thomas Cromwell.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_02: They ask him 107 questions.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's very specific.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: I want to know exactly what these questions were.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and he was really honest.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_02: He was just like, yeah, this, that, yeah, I did that, I said that.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: His story checked on everything.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like everything matched.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of reminds me of Edith Cavill a bit.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's like she's not trying to deny anything.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: She just wants to say, Yeah, this is what I did.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: This is how I helped people.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what of it?
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_02: I also um I wanted to say too, there was this other guy involved named Thomas Darcy.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: Lord Darcy of the Darcy.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: What was his actual title?
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: Thomas Darcy, first Baron Darcy.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_00: And they thought he was a sympathizer.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he got involved, they like took over his castle to use his headquarters.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they like met at his castle frequently.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_02: He he was alongside Robert Ask on a lot of this.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: And just because we were talking about how he was interrogated, Robert was interrogated by Thomas Cromwell.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_02: Likely, likewise, Darcy was also arrested and interrogated by Thomas Cromwell.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_02: Cromwell is not someone I would want to deal with in an interrogation room.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: Ever.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's what he was really good at.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: Looks very intimidating in his portraits.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_02: God, what a scary evil man.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_02: But um, I thought this was really kind of funny.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_02: So he completely ripped apart Thomas Cromwell while being interrogated, and he was like, Yeah, the privy council is part of the problem.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_02: Specifically, this dude right here, Thomas Cromwell, he's like our main guy that we can't stand.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_02: Do you guys not see?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm paraphrasing.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: But then he tells Thomas Cromwell to his face in some prophetic way.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, You don't think the king is also gonna lose favor with you as well?
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna lose his favor.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: Someone has to say it.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_02: And he finally says it.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_02: He says, um, he says, like, in so many words, he goes, It's only a matter of time before the king also you're out of favor with him as well.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: Do you not see this?
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, of course, that does eventually happen not too long later after this.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um regrettably, Darcy was sentenced to be beheaded at Tower Hill.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so that's how it ended for him.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_02: I guess those were not the things Thomas Cromwell wanted to hear about.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: Probably not.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_02: That probably sent him over the edge a little bit.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but at that point, you know, it's gonna happen anyways, and he was higher up, so he was probably expecting that he was gonna get beheaded.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_02: I guess the only risk is you could have he could have gotten a worse death sentence.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then of course like a drawn and quartering.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then his family and everyone.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: But anyways, I thought that was an interesting side story.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: That at this point in history, like beheading's the least of your worries.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: That was seen as a no, that's not bad.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: That was seen as a favor.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: You could get beheaded versus other things.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm not burned, I'm not drawn and quartered.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_00: My family's not gonna be messed with, but that's not bad.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: Make it quick.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so this conviction takes place uh uh in the Palace of Westminster.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: Ask is officially convicted of high treason.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_00: We know treason's never the way you want to go out.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_00: But he is taken back to York.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: They took him back to where he was essentially from.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's nice.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: Give him a free trip home.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, and why?
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: Not sure.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um I know why.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_02: They paraded him through the streets.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: Just to embarrass him and shame him?
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was a it was a Game of Thrones shame sash.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: Shame shesh.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: Shame shash.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: Say that five times.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_02: Shame shash.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because uh, no, they needed to make an example of him.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: I guess that's probably why.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and they needed all the followers to see the execution.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: They couldn't get the 40,000 people down to London.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: So they thought, no free trips.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_02: So they brought him up so all of his friends and family and supporters and loved ones could see what happened.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: You'd be a criminal mastermind.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: You'd be an execution mastermind.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: You I didn't even think about why they would send him that back.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, well, he's already in London, just kill him there.
• 50:49
  SPEAKER_00: But you're like, no, no, no.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, why why waste an opportunity to make it even worse by having all your loved ones watch it?
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: Winston Churchill said, Why let a good crisis go to waste?
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: The fact I always think about no, Jesus didn't say it.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: Winston Churchill said.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, go on.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: So, um, so he is sentenced to be executed on July 12th, 1537, and a scaffold was erected outside of Clifford Tower in York, and they also planned it on what was called a market day.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: So it was a busy day in the town.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I always wonder because I've seen this on like, you know, historical fiction, but I'm always like, why would so many people stop to watch an execution?
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is it because they have nothing to do, they're bored, this is their form of entertainment?
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I've also seen a lot of instances where like guards or whoever kind of make them like they block off streets and they kind of corral people in certain areas to be like witness this.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_00: So I think in an area like this where people are probably just trying to go around having their market day and like go grocery shop shopping essentially, they're like, no, no, you must stop, you must see the trader document.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, on market day too, it means that there's a lot of people from the surrounding areas are also coming in to visit.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_02: Again, their whole objective was to get as many people to see this as possible to set that example.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: And the way that Clifford's Tower is situated is there's like this really big, weird dome hill.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's obnoxiously tall.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like here's like a like a weird, just perfectly hill hill.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like a mound in the middle nowhere, and then the castle perfectly erect on top of it, very sloppily.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: Looks like it's kind of weird.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: Looks like kids made the tower.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but when they erected the the scaffold there, it was great view.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: Every like everyone could everyone can look up and see what's happening, sadly.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: So um this is where it gets a little interesting.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_00: Now we're getting to the execution.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_00: So what we read was he was hanged in chains.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: What's interesting is there's a lot of interpretations of what that means.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: So if you've seen Showtime's The Tudors, right?
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: It he literally gets hanged like a normal rope noose hanged, but because he's like literally clothed in chains, like they tighten around him, they suffocate him, he kind of is crushed under the weight of the change of the chains while he's being hanged.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_02: They also made it look like they had him walk back from London to York, which is impossible to really walk that yeah, in the chains.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: You're running an ultra marathon.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like again in the Matthew Shard like series, because they talk about this journey from London to York, and it takes weeks.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: So hence why he's also getting executed all the way back in July.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say I think the conviction was around I want to say April.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then he had they had to make his way back up in chains.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_02: In chains, evidently.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that that's one interpretation of it.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: Right literally hanged by a rope around the neck while wrapped in chains.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_00: But another interpretation is that in chains simply means you were put in a gibbet.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: Which, if we've we actually this was a very early episode, but gibbet, or we will never know.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_00: Our third episode featuring Captain William Kidd, um, we talk about we we called it a g a gibbet then.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: We know better now.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's a gibbet.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we talked a lot about gibbeting, and essentially it was like one of those cages that was kind of made to your body shape.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_00: So you literally just like didn't have room to move.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_00: It was just exactly like around, like encased around you, and you would essentially be strung up from that gibbet and you would die of exposure because you wouldn't drink, you wouldn't eat, birds would peck at you, you know, like you're there all night, yeah.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_02: Exposed to the cloud.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, at least it was July.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: But at least that sounds awful.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_02: I guess maybe that's dragging you out longer, but they did say it was so brutal and it took days, and perhaps it was so tight on him that there was some suffocation involved as well.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_02: But he definitely would have been thirsty and hungry, and then everyone's just watching him hang there for days.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_02: Until he perished.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: Until you and how do you even know when they're officially dead?
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_02: Someone would have to go and do checks.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: You think they would do that?
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_00: They'd like climb up to the gibbet and they'd like to poke at him?
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: Poke you with a stick and see if you react.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_00: Hold the finger under the nose to see if you breathe.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's a really sad way to go.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_02: And it wasn't quick for that reason because they wanted again for everyone to see.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: And the more people who could come through and see it, be like, that's Robert Ask hanging up there.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's that was our leader.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_02: We are hen Henry's version is by doing that, no one is gonna rebel ever again.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: Let's see how that worked out.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna say there was actually a huge list of people, too, who were also executed.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: None none were with Robert, like at that place in the same way.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a lot because again, there was a rebellion before the pilgrimage, there was rebel rebellion after the pilgrimage.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: So what Henry did was he essentially rounded up all of the leaders um and did like various executions.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: There was there was people hanging at Tyburn, there was a drawn and quartering, like there was a lot of different things taking place.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't like there was one place, one punishment for everyone who was involved.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_02: One of the men who was hanging, drawn, and quartered, which we know is a tough punishment, was the younger brother of Henry Percy, the sixth Earl of Northumberland.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_02: And potentially Anne Boleyn's first husband.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, talk again about the connections of who's who.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was the guy that Anne supposedly was in love with, engaged to, possibly married to before Henry VIII.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_02: But that was um, yeah, his younger brother was part of it because they were from Yorkshire, and he was hanged drawn and quartered.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_02: And he was also in his like early 30s, so yeah.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_02: It was a lot of like young men and women, I'm sure.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah but um men who just wanted uh a better future for like themselves and their families, and they were really, really, really, really pissed at getting everything that they knew and love taken away from them.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a prime age too, where it's like you've seen a certain way of life for three decades.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like you you know how you grew up.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, like at the beginning of King Henry's reign with Catherine of Aragon, everything is still very Catholic.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then all of a sudden you're being told your religion is bad, you can't have these monasteries, like we're actually gonna take away all of your priests and nuns, and you're a bad person for practicing the religion you were raised with.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, yeah, obviously, if you're in your 30s, you're gonna be like, I'm sorry, no, like I've lived long enough to have some experience, but I'm young enough to also do something about it.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_02: There's so many layers to it, too, because not only is it really painful to see the violence and what's happening to the monks and the nuns and all the people involved, because there's a lot of executions on the monks' side as well.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but also just them getting kicked out and homeless and everything.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_02: You're mad about that, you're mad about your your religion being taken away, and then I'm sure just the stubbornness of being told by some jerk sitting on a big throne, yeah, telling you what to do, and if you don't like it, tough.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_02: And unfortunately, it was clearly an unsuccessful rebellion to an extent.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_02: They were much their army was way bigger than the military force.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_02: When the military force came up to try to stop what was happening, and there was the 30,000 people.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, they the military force, Henry's military, was only about one-fifth of the size of the rebels.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: How frightening to be like, you gotta stop these people, but there's But you can't.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: There's like five times as many as you.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's why they're why they had to negotiate.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's when they play tricky and he cut and it was almost like a he trapped them.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_02: He's he was sneaky.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm gonna say it was a sneaky way to win because you're like, oh no, we're not gonna fight with armies because you're too big.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they couldn't.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_02: If they wanted to, they actually couldn't.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_00: So they did this fake negotiation that never really came true.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then as soon as everyone disbanded, decided to execute the leaders anyway.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it's how how shitty are you?
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: You're not even playing.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're not even playing fair, you're not even playing by like the rules of war.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_00: You're literally just being so sneaky, and everything is about you and your new wives and your religion.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_00: And essentially, whatever Henry wants goes.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_02: And that, folks, is why Henry VIII has a bad reputation.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a lot of fun.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_00: Elizabeth.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_00: Any final words?
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_00: All if anyone wants to go, that in 2018 they put a plaque up outside of Clifford.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you short there.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_02: Is that actually your final words?
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_02: You're right though.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_02: And they said that Robert Ass was martyred by King Henry VIII, which is like, yeah.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know, it's just funny.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um so if you ever want to go see the plaque, I'm sure it's a lovely plaque right outside of Clifford Tower, and it's an awkward hill tower that's very sloppy, but you can go see some history there.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_02: Any other final words?
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: Death to the patriarchy.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa! Coming for you.