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National Park Disappearances with Steve Stockton · The Cryptid Huntress

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  Speaker 1: Well, good evening, everybody. It's the Crimpton Huntress. I'm Jessica Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for being here tonight. My goodness, y'all,
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  Speaker 1: we have an incredible show lined up for tonight. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking about missing people, the missing with
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  Speaker 1: Steve Stockton. I've been wanting to get Steve on this
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  Speaker 1: show for quite a while now. You guys will probably
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  Speaker 1: be very familiar with Steve Stockton with his He's got
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  Speaker 1: multiple YouTube channels and he also comes up on Spaced
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  Speaker 1: Out Radio with Dave sometimes with some of his stories
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  Speaker 1: that he he is amazing at telling, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're going to be talking about missing people
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  Speaker 1: in the national parks and people that vanish into the
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  Speaker 1: wilderness here in the United States and Canada, all over
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  Speaker 1: North America. I cover this a lot from an interesting
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  Speaker 1: angle because I take the cryptid angle of it. We
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  Speaker 1: really dive into that. And also, you know, Barry Littleton
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  Speaker 1: gave me those two blind remote viewing targets a while back.
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  Speaker 1: Actually it turned into a bunch of targets because he
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  Speaker 1: kept having me go deeper and deeper into them, and
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  Speaker 1: we really explored where the clusters of missing people where
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  Speaker 1: those people were going, and so we'll talk to Steve
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  Speaker 1: about that tonight. This is going to be so incredible, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to waste any time tonight because we
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  Speaker 1: need to get this show on the road with mister
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  Speaker 1: Steve Stockton tonight. Steve Stockton is a veteran outdoorsman and
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  Speaker 1: paranormal researcher, also a best selling author and an entertainment icon.
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  Speaker 1: His YouTube channels Missing Persons and Mysteries with Steve Stockton
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  Speaker 1: Missing person's cases, true paranormal stories, unsolved mysteries, Missing for
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  Speaker 1: one one cases, explained, unexplained phenomenon, the supernatural, true crime,
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  Speaker 1: bizarre and unsolved disappearances, and stories of survival. You guys,
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  Speaker 1: please help me. Welcome to the crypton Hunter channel tonight,
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  Speaker 1: mister Steve Stockton.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Jessica, Hello, everybody in the Chat's great to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Hey Steve, thank you so much for being here. It's
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  Speaker 1: so good to meet you finally too.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a long time coming. I'm a fan of
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  Speaker 2: your show, have been since you started doing it, So
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  Speaker 2: here we are. I want to have you on my
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  Speaker 2: radio show soon too. That's another thing. I've got a
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  Speaker 2: show called Everything out There on the Clyde Lewis's Ground
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  Speaker 2: zero radio network. Just tomorrow night will be the forty
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  Speaker 2: fifth weekly episode of that. So I'm a busy guy.
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  Speaker 2: In case you can't tell you are.
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  Speaker 1: You're busier than I am, that's for sure. And you
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  Speaker 1: put out amazing content, amazing shows. I was just telling
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  Speaker 1: you before we went live. I tear up when I
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  Speaker 1: watch your shows because it's so heart wrenching.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, some of those, especially the kids. But any of
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  Speaker 2: the missing where they don't have any closure whatsoever. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, at least if the remains are found in
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  Speaker 2: the worst case scenario, they've got a grave they can visit,
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  Speaker 2: or the ashes on the mantle or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But the ones that don't have anything that you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe never get any answers. Those are the ones that
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  Speaker 2: really tug at my heartstrings. What would that be like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to have somebody, a loved one, even a child,
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  Speaker 2: go missing and no idea whatever happened to them. That's
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  Speaker 2: got to be just heart wrenching.
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  Speaker 1: It is. Well, I'm a mom and I have a
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  Speaker 1: ten year old son, and he goes into the National
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  Speaker 1: Force with me because I am a bigfoot field researcher.
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  Speaker 1: I've been doing this since twenty eleven. Basically, I'm an
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  Speaker 1: all around cryptid field researcher, and so I'm out there
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  Speaker 1: a lot. I was out there last weekend. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: was out there the week before that. I'm always out there,
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  Speaker 1: and I've become I've started taking my son out there
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  Speaker 1: more often, okay, but I didn't never take him before
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  Speaker 1: because of the dangers of this. And uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we we know this from the the David politis missing
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  Speaker 1: for one one series and all the researches he did,
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  Speaker 1: you know, years ago. We're trying to figure out where
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  Speaker 1: all these missing people are going, and these missing persons clusters,
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  Speaker 1: and so I take the angle of it from well,
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  Speaker 1: we explore, you know, the different cryptids that could potentially
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  Speaker 1: be taking some of these people. However, we know that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of these cases are not
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  Speaker 1: just like cryptids like Bigfoot or lizard Man or reptilians
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  Speaker 1: or dog Man. A lot of them are just natural
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  Speaker 1: disasters potentially, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's all kinds of things out there that that
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  Speaker 2: can take you, that can get after you or catch you.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, if you take your kids out there, keep
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  Speaker 2: them close, don't don't send them back to the car
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  Speaker 2: for anything. Go every step with him. I'm not to
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  Speaker 2: be a father myself, got a son on the way
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to teach him of woodlord, woodcraft and
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  Speaker 2: things like that. But yeah, just just keep an eye
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  Speaker 2: on your kids.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well I keep eye on my kid. I
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  Speaker 1: don't let him go pick berries, okay, and I never
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  Speaker 1: let him.
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  Speaker 2: Don't let him be the first in line of the
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  Speaker 2: last in line. Don't let him separate from the group,
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  Speaker 2: don't let him run ahead or stay behind. There's things
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  Speaker 2: that there's commonalities there that that happened, And a lot
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  Speaker 2: of this pre dates politis. I mean, there's there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of those stories that have been written about decades
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  Speaker 2: or more ago. Point to books like Lost by Dwight McCarter,
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  Speaker 2: who was a lead tracker on the Dennis Martin case
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  Speaker 2: and the Smokies. He wrote about it years and years before.
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  Speaker 2: Politis same with one Nita Baldwin unsolved. There's disappearances in
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  Speaker 2: the Smokies that came out in the nineties Park Ranger Confidential.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember that ladies that wrote that name. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this has been going on for some time and it
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  Speaker 2: dates back, I mean to the previous century, the early
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  Speaker 2: part of the previous century and before that, even people
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  Speaker 2: like Daniel Boone. Somebody asked him one time if he'd
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  Speaker 2: ever been lost in the woods, and he said, I've
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  Speaker 2: never been lost, but I was bewildered for a few days.
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  Speaker 2: Now for a trailblizer like Daniel Bone you got to
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  Speaker 2: wonder why he encountered after. I wish he had unwrapped
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  Speaker 2: out a little more. But it's been going on for
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  Speaker 2: some times. Like here where I'm out in New England now,
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  Speaker 2: I moved here from New Mexico last July to get married,
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  Speaker 2: and the Bennington Triangle is right up here, and also
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  Speaker 2: the Bridgewater Triangle. There's been unsolved disappearances in those areas
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  Speaker 2: since you know, the eighteen hundreds of probably the seventeen
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  Speaker 2: hundreds and certainly in the early part of the twentieth century.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not anything new, and I think we've got
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  Speaker 2: more questions than we have answers. We got more questions
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  Speaker 2: than we started with for people that are doing the research.
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  Speaker 1: We do, well, that's become one of my missions actually,
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  Speaker 1: since I've gone public with my research and I talk
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  Speaker 1: about some of the things that my team does. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the things we do is confidential, and
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  Speaker 1: so we don't talk about our locations. We don't give
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  Speaker 1: our locations away publicly and stuff because we're doing continued
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  Speaker 1: research in these areas. But a lot of these areas
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  Speaker 1: are national parks, their wildlife management areas. They're on federal
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  Speaker 1: and state land, county land. But we've noticed that that's
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  Speaker 1: where all the bigfoots are. Okay, that's where the bigfoots are.
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  Speaker 1: That's where the cave systems are, a lot of them.
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  Speaker 2: The cave systems. You can overload overlay a map of
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  Speaker 2: the US cave systems with's where the clusters missing people
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  Speaker 2: are than they kind of line up. So is there
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  Speaker 2: something the ground is there's something in caves. I've covered
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  Speaker 2: there you go, You've got to get graphics up there.
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  Speaker 2: I've covered cases where people heard things in a cave,
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  Speaker 2: a mimic of voice calling out to them, trying to
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  Speaker 2: get him to come into a cave. Sometimes it was
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  Speaker 2: a voice they knew, sometimes it wasn't. Sometimes it was
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  Speaker 2: a voice of a family member may be deceased. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know about Huzaska, but if I hear my grandmother
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  Speaker 2: calling to me from a cave, I'm going to go
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  Speaker 2: turn around and go the other directions because I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what that is, but there's definitely something out there.
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  Speaker 2: Then there's the containment theory. There's a guy here on
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  Speaker 2: YouTube has a channel called South Forest ten. He's a
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  Speaker 2: much older gentleman than I am. I'm sixty, and he
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  Speaker 2: talks about back in the nineteen thirties before the Great
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  Speaker 2: Smoky Mountains National Park became a national park. He lives
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  Speaker 2: in I think a severe ol pigeon forge that area
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  Speaker 2: up there. His relatives were hired by the government to
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  Speaker 2: go in there and thin out these creatures, and he
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  Speaker 2: thinks there's some sort of bigfoot human hybrid and he
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  Speaker 2: thinks that's who caught Dennis Martin took Dennis Martin, and
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  Speaker 2: that was why the response that they had there with
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  Speaker 2: the green berets and FBI getting involved right away and things.
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  Speaker 2: He kind of talks to a containment theory. That's you
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  Speaker 2: hear that about a lot of National parks, that they
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  Speaker 2: are where they are for a reason, and it's to
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  Speaker 2: keep something in there and people. You have to let
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  Speaker 2: people go visit. And a lot of those places the
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  Speaker 2: you know, tourism is King of Great Smoky Mountains, for example,
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  Speaker 2: the most visited National park in the country, even during
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  Speaker 2: the stuff that went on a few years ago with
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  Speaker 2: the lockdowns and everything, still saw over twelve million visitors.
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  Speaker 2: But if you said, okay, well, yeah, come and visit
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  Speaker 2: the Smokies, but there's a bigfoot or faro people or
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  Speaker 2: dog man or whatever in here that takes people, you
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  Speaker 2: might not come back. Nobody would visit the national parks.
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  Speaker 2: Those numbers would dwindle. In towns like towns in Katlenberg, Severeble,
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  Speaker 2: Pigeon Forge, they would be ghost towns. And again that's
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  Speaker 2: these places operate on tourism. Same with yosemitean places like that.
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  Speaker 2: That's the second moment most visited National park behind the
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  Speaker 2: Great Smokies but it has about three times the disappearances.
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  Speaker 2: So there's something going on in the national parks now.
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  Speaker 2: Some of it can be attributed to. Probably the biggest
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  Speaker 2: causes that I've found are people being overprepared or I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: underprepared and too happy with their own abilities. Over confidence
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  Speaker 2: the word I was looking for, And that's your biggest
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  Speaker 2: threats out there. Oh, it'll never happen to me until
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  Speaker 2: it does. But got to be prepared. You got to
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  Speaker 2: have water, you gotta have food, you got to have shelter,
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  Speaker 2: a way to make fire, things like that. People that
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  Speaker 2: go in just for a short day hike and then
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  Speaker 2: they're never seen again. They're just prepared. But there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of cases that don't make it any sense at all.
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  Speaker 2: Where the footprints stop or where they maybe they'll find
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  Speaker 2: their clothing or their boots or something like that, no
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  Speaker 2: sign of a body. So there is something out there.
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  Speaker 2: In some of these cases, I've had people ask me,
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  Speaker 2: is it bigfoot? Is it dog man? Is it aliens?
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  Speaker 2: Is it the government? Is it any one of a
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  Speaker 2: number of things. Short answer, yes, it's all the above.
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  Speaker 2: I have There are particular cases that fit a certain
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  Speaker 2: concept like that, and I think there's things out there
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  Speaker 2: that we just don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And I can speak from experience because I
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  Speaker 1: do all this research. We've gotten some groundbreaking evidence and
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  Speaker 1: had a lot of groundbreaking experiences out in some of
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  Speaker 1: these national forests. And I always tell people go to
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  Speaker 1: the national parks, go have fun, you know, don't not go,
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  Speaker 1: but just be careful, Okay, don't live in fear. We can't.
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  Speaker 1: We can't let the fear rule us where we don't
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  Speaker 1: get out in nature. Okay. But there's also the question
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  Speaker 1: is to okay, there's so many bigfoots encryptids in these
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  Speaker 1: national parks. And I can say that from personal experience.
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  Speaker 1: I know for a fact there are did the National
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  Speaker 1: parks make you know? Did they designate those lands?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Was it Teddy Roosevelt designate all that land because of
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  Speaker 1: the bigfoots that were there? Or you know what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Bigot he claimed to have shot when he was a
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  Speaker 2: much younger man, or shot at one anyway, he.
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  Speaker 1: Did, he did well, And we actually explored last week.
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  Speaker 1: I had my buddy Robbie on the show. We talked
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  Speaker 1: about the Ozark Howler out in the Ozarks, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: there's a particular secret society. Okay, it's secret. It's called
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  Speaker 1: the Concatenated Order of the Who who I think are
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  Speaker 1: you familiar with that?
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  Speaker 2: I've heard of it. I don't know, you know, if
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  Speaker 2: it's one of those things you don't know, if somebody's
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  Speaker 2: winding you up, or if it's a real thing. There
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  Speaker 2: are some eternal organizations out there, you know, the Odd
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  Speaker 2: Fellows and and things like that. So and no shade,
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  Speaker 2: no shame. My father was a thirty second degree Mason,
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  Speaker 2: so I know those societies and things exist, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what was it the Royal Order of the
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  Speaker 2: Water Buffalo or whatever that you had on the flintstones.
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  Speaker 2: That's a clarity. But there are things.
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  Speaker 1: Like that there are well, it makes for a good
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory for people, and we kind of we there's
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  Speaker 1: kind of tongue in cheek. We were exploring that last week.
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  Speaker 1: That was that was interesting. But there are there are
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  Speaker 1: people out there who are state park rangers, who are
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  Speaker 1: wildlife managers, you know, game wardens. I've had a game
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  Speaker 1: warden on the show recently, a former game warden who
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  Speaker 1: is actually part of the North American dog Man Project.
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  Speaker 1: Now so and not to mention the guys that I
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  Speaker 1: go out with and do my research and ladies, some
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  Speaker 1: of them are not I mean, they're vocal about it.
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  Speaker 1: They're actually you know, retired to Partment of Defense contractors
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  Speaker 1: and worked in intelligence and you know, people that you
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  Speaker 1: think might know something about some of these cryptis. But
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  Speaker 1: they're out there with me doing the research. And so
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's like a government connection to any
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  Speaker 1: of this, but I think that they're the government whoever.
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  Speaker 1: These National park people are not, not all of them,
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  Speaker 1: because some of the game wardens and the park rangers
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  Speaker 1: have contacted me because they have so many bigfoot reports
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  Speaker 1: in their parks. Okay, but I think on a higher
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  Speaker 1: level there has to be some sort of knowledge with
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  Speaker 1: our government.
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  Speaker 2: I think there is, and that's you know, people will
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  Speaker 2: accuse you of wearing a tenfoil hat and all that, but
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these conspiracy theories have proven to be
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy fact. All that means a conspiracy. Two or more
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  Speaker 2: people got together. My parents worked in Oakridge, Tennessee, and
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  Speaker 2: met during the Manhattan Project. That was, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: big secret. Oakridge wasn't on any maps anywhere at that
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  Speaker 2: time and things, so technically that's a conspiracy. But it
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  Speaker 2: goes deeper than that look up project paper clip that
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  Speaker 2: I've heard people say, Oh, that never happened. It couldn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: It did. My dad worked at Okra's National Laboratory as
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  Speaker 2: a scientist, worked right alongside a lot of those German
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  Speaker 2: scientists that were brought over after the fall of the
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  Speaker 2: Third Reich, So it very well did happen. I have
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  Speaker 2: a story I can tell about a kid that I
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  Speaker 2: went home from school with whose dad worked alongside. My
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  Speaker 2: dad took me into his basement. Back then, and this
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  Speaker 2: is in the late sixties, early seventies, everybody had a
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  Speaker 2: wreck room in their basement at post war Brady Bunch
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  Speaker 2: style houses. Open to the back room of the thing.
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  Speaker 2: I said, Okay, he's going to show me a bombshelter.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of places had those homes had those during
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  Speaker 2: the Cold War. Turns the lights on. There's the biggest
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  Speaker 2: collection of German war memorabilia I've ever seen in there.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, wow, I'll call him Tom. So Tom,
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  Speaker 2: your dad is serious about his war member And he said,
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  Speaker 2: you don't understand Steve. He said, you see this, and
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  Speaker 2: it was an SS uniform in a plexiglass case. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: that was my dad's uniform. So there you go. But
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  Speaker 2: no proger paperclip, that's tenfoil hat area. No no, no,
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  Speaker 2: no no. And that's just stuff that we know about.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there are all kinds of things that go
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  Speaker 2: on three letter agencies, black budget stuff. I've got a
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  Speaker 2: thing about dog Man over on my Tails and Toll
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  Speaker 2: Channel that's based on the Voya files that are available
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  Speaker 2: on a place called the Black Vault, and how dog
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  Speaker 2: Man some instances of it may be part of a
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  Speaker 2: government experiment with animals, So who knows, Maybe they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to make a super soldier or something half canine half human.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't put anything past anybody at this point.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, Steve, it's so cool that you bring that up.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: And I talk about Oakridge Labs quite a bit, okay,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: because we're we've actually brought that up when we were
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: discussing some unspecified animal attacks that happened in the East
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Tennessee area with Amber Miller and Tony Earon's I believe
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I did some research on that. I actually was given
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: those cases as remote viewing targets. I do something called
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: remote viewing something our military uses. I was trained in
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that for many years, and I'm giving blind targets sometime,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and I was given those targets and I was the
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: data set. Zombie bears attack those people. This seems like
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: a zombie bear. And so I thought that was embarrassed
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: to even say that in public, okay, because I thought, man,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: that's weird. But someone sent me an article about and
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: now this is near Oakridge Labs. That's why I'm bringing
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: this up. It's only a couple of counties over from there.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: And I do know that there are rumors that there's
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: a large hadrin collider over there Oakridge Labs. I don't
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: know if that's true or not, but there are rumors
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: If you look up Oakridge and LHC, it'll it'll bring
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: up a page that they're doing work that's related to
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: and concert was. It comes up on the RNL oprah's
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: National Laboratories web page.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: It's called Alice Alice and it's something about a large
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: hydron collider. That's an acronym. So I they're working with
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: CERN for sure. So it makes you wonder, you know
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: what kind of portals have opened up over there. I'm
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: just saying, but there's but someone one of my viewers
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: actually sent me a link to an article. There's actually
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a video on a news channel talking about I guess
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: our government, like the military, had gone into before Congress
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to ask for some funding to be changed to eliminate
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: some assets from a program they had done where they
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: were making super soldiers and they were injecting them or
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: doing something with them to put like wolf DNA in them,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: bear DNA in them and dropping them off in certain
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: places around the globe. And one of those places was
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: East Tennessee, around that area where those people had been
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: attacked and where oakre'ge labs is.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: So what surprise in the lace and particularly someplace like
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the Great Smokies. You know, you've got all that wilderness,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: and yeah, there's a tourist areas and hiking trails and
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: things like that, but there's a lot of backcountry up
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: there that I've been in some places where you know,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: probably only the natives that have been there prior. There's
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of places that you can get into where
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: you get that feeling you know that you're being watched.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: There's other predators out there, apex predators that are more
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: than human. You know, if you will, and then you
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: get the stories and the Farrells and the things like that,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: and the Bigfoot, the dog Man, the other cryptids and
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: things and all that, and then you've got hauntings and
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the weird spiritual stuff there in the Smokies. I think
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the most haunted areas of the Smokies I've ever been
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: in ar CAD's Cove and the north shore of font
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Hada Lake. There's something there. And with the feral people,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I've had people say, oh, they're there's no way people
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: could hide out in the woods. Oh yeah, well we'll
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: get Nantahala. Eric Rudolph, the Olympic Park bomber, when he
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: was on the top of the FBI's most wanted list,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: he hid out in nanta Hala for I think five
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: or six years. And this was a guy with very,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: very minimal survival experience. He'd washed out of the military
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: basic training, so he had a little bit. But if
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: somebody like that can elude the FBI, people that didn't
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: want to be found could stay in there just forever.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I think over where my dad's from, the finest county
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: area Cumberland Platzaw area of Tennessee, there were families over
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: there that lived, I mean way way way back in
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: the woods, and that was much of Leice. A lot
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: of them were Irish and English immigrants in Scottish and
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: they made moonshine and did things like that that they
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: weren't supposed to do. But they were just a step
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: above Pharaoh. I think there's no shade on anybody.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Hey, well, I cover a nasty car family, and we
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: know all about moonshining, okay, like from the from the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: early days from Georgia.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Guys Junior Johnson and some of those, they were ridge
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: runners before they got into a NASCAR That's why they
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: had those cars tuned up like that thunder road. That's
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: a real story about East Tennessee and Knoxville and Kingston Pike.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we listen. My dad is my whole family.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: My grandfather owned some NASCAR geames back in the fifties.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And I used to race cars myself. That's a little
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: fun fact. My audience doesn't know about me. I'm a
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: race car driver.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I used to be.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: But anyways, that's besides the point. But we know a
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: little something about running. I don't run moonshine, okay, but
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: but that's where it all the roots are okay, and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: where originated. Up here, the appellations are where I do
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: most of my Bigfoot research and all my encrypted research,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and we're getting the strangest activity up there, not to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: mention reports of things like dinosaurs, modern day velociraptors and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: stuff up in those apple lies.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: And I've heard of that's what sounds like a pterodactyl
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: that's been seen in the Smokies. And then there's a
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: lot of Turkey legends in that area of creatures like that,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the thunderbird as they call it. But it's from what
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I've read some of those high Weds accounts, it sounds
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: like a pterodactyl. And you've got all those Cherokee legends.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: And it's not just those indigenous people, but a lot
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: of the indigenous tribes up here in New England where
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I am. You have puck wedgies, you have spirit lights,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you have hairy creatures. Where that's sasquatch or save or bigfoot,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: it's throughout. It's in all the tribes. When I lived
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: in the Pacific Northwest, they had them out there, and
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I lived in the High Desert in New Mexico. Same
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: thing when I lived in the Mahave for a few years,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: same thing there, lived in Florida for a little while,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: had the skunkcake. It's there's cryptids everywhere.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. We've got a nice variety of them down
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: here in the South though. But the Appalachian Mountains. Not
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff scares me. Okay, not not a lot.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And I have I have been baptized in fire, I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: think is what they call it, you know, like going
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: out and just being thrust it into the to the
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: environment and spending extended, extended you know, time periods out there.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Not always by myself. I don't ever go out in
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the whiz by myself, Okay, but I am on I'm
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: on like four different teams now, uh. And I've been
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: doing this for a while. But I think one of
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the scarier times that I've been out there. The Bigfoots
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: don't scare me, they haven't scared me yet. But Spearfinger, okay,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: spear Finger, the Cherokee Witch. I believe that my team
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: has potentially experienced her out there. We've had an encounter
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: with what we.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Can skinned walk or two. She can take on any form.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: She's got that one long finger made out of obsidian,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and she likes to eat your liver.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Not mine. No, I'm hopefully I taste bad to her.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But she goes for the kids, actually,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: which is really scary.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: You wondered about that. I mean, was that just a
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: cautionary tale that the Cherokee told their little ones to
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: keep them from wondering away from the fire at night,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: or is there really something to that. I think in
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: all these folklore stories and things, there's a little nugget
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: of truth somewhere in there. There's things out there in
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the woods that take people. And over on my Missing
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Persons channel, I've got the Missing and the Fay series
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: where it ties it into the fayfolk and a lot
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: of people that believe in Bigfoot, that believe in dog Man,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: that believe in UFOs. But you mentioned the Fay and
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: they'll kind of giggle at you. But if you take
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: it into account and look at Tay, some of the
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: countries where the Fay was almost it may still be
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: a religion. Like in your Celtic countries and things. There
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: are encounters with big hairy creatures and there's your Bigfoot,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: but it was a part of the Fay. There's encounters
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds of little men that
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: came down from the sky in a horseless coach. There's
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: a UFO encounter. There's fairy lights, there's all kinds of things.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I think the Fay kind of wraps it all up
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: and puts a bow on it. There's your elementals, there's
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: your water sprites and things like that which I've encountered.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: That's it could all fall under that umbrella. And these
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: are nasty little creatures. If you delve into the folklore,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: there's only like one type that's actually beneficial to humans.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Rest of them are tricksters, pranksters. I believe there's something
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: too that and it bears looking into.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you. I've I've done some
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: shows on what is It where they where they take
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: your kid, and it's almost like it they replace change lins.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: That's it. Change.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: That's the most terrifying thing. As a mother, I can't imagine.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I mean I would today people put baby cameras on
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: their you know, baby beds and stuff so they can
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: watch their kids. I didn't have a camera on my
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: kid's bed when he was little. Now now sometimes you
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: get those baby cameras and they've got like evil faces
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: looking back at you, you know, from behind the baby carriage.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And so I'm not trying to scary Steve. I know
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: you're about to have a baby, okay, But I'm.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Just saying I'm situated. There's there's certain things you can
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: do to keep them away. They don't like iron. So
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: if you attach a piece of iron, like a horseshoe
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: or a railroad spike or something like that underneath the crib,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: or even have it in the room, that's that'll keep
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the fail away. You can also spike your yard. Go
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: out and the corners of your property, drive iron spikes
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: into the yard. That'll keep the fail away. And I
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: have somebody tell me get rid of your welcome mats.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: I never thought about it that if you have that
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: in front of your door, welcome, that's just anything that
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: can see that just it thinks they're welcome. So welcome.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: My unwelcome mat says you have no reason to be here.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: There's no reason for you to be here. That's the truth.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mine says go away, go away. Nobody's allowed, am
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I okay? Unless I have prior knowledge of somebody coming
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: as I invited them, I.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Don't know my door. With the vampire things, they have
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: to be invited in. Same with the black eyed kids.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I've had an experience with that back in the nineties.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: It's things only have the power over you that you
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: allow it to have.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: That's true. Amy actually knew that already, because Amy knows
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: that I've had an experience with a black eyed person too, Steve.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: When I was and this was in the early two thousands,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I was living in downtown Atlanta back in my young
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and free days, and I had an apartment down there
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: in this old haunted house. I live in a super
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: terribly haunted house, in an apartment in the basement of
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: this haunted house of Ponsta Lyon Avenue. And one night
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I had a gentleman that showed up at my door,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: that was ringing my doorbell, and he had completely black eyes.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: And the minute that I looked through my window and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I saw him, I knew that he had no soul.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I knew he had no soul. I just knew it inherently.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm not I haven't heard your story before, but
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: there's nothing like experiencing somebody like that.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I'll send you a link to it. Mine was with
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: two little girls in the nineties. But it was about
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning in a parking lot. And yeah,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: there was. It was something demonic. It wasn't two little girls.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: That was just how it presented it. So and uh, yeah.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: When I lived in East Tennessee, I used to travel
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: into Atlanta a lot, especially on the weekends. There was
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: clubs down there that we like to go to, like
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: the six eighty eight Club. It's long gone now, I think.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: And uh, there was another one there that had had
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: three levels of purgatory, heaven and hell. It was like
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: a goth club.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, the Chamber. No, not the Chamber, I forgot what
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: it's called. I used to go there all the time.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: No, to concerts, yeah, there, and used to see people
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: at the Fox Theater. One of the best shows I
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: ever saw was The Cure at the Fox Theater back
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: in the eighties. And uh, you ever been to Oakland
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Cemetery there in Atlanta. That's of course it was buried there.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: It's got the statue of the guy sitting in the chair. Well,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: he's supposedly a night walker. He gets up and walks
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: around after dark.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I lived in downtown for twenty years.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I went to college in downtown Atlanta, and I worked
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: downtown for fifteen years at least. And yeah, I never
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: went at night. It's too spooky at that cemetery.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Spooky down there and places like a little five Points
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and things like that. But if you want to get
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: into some strange area, go out to Lake Lanier. Have
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: you ever been down there? Oh?
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I have spent a lot of my young adult life
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: at Late Lanear swimming and actually a couple of the
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: one of the first high priority remote viewing targets that
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I was ever given by the head of my team
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: was a missing person and I actually located the person's
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: body in Late Lanear and the body was later found okay,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: at the same place, the location where I said that
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the body would surface. So a lot of there's at
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: least two bodies that I've had there, okay, that I
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: remote viewed. So it's actually a dumping ground in addition
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to all the drownings every year.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's something strange like when here in that
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: general area I've spent some time.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Ye, it's cursed a lot, I think. I think a
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: lot of these national parks are cursed as well. Like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: we were talking about the land between the Lakes before
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: we went live tonight, and I think that's a curse
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: land personally.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but just over the border on the Tennessee side,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: you've got Indian Mound, Tennessee and all that stuff that's
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: gone on there. And yeah, there's the same up here
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: in New England. There's a lot of places that are
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: haunted and it's a curse. There's curse ground here and
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: it's it's not necessarily things that have happened. There's new
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: buildings and apartments and things that have a weird things happening,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: but it's the lands. As Stephen King wrote, the land
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: is soured, and I believe in that it can carry on.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: And there's a really good book called A Dark and
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Bloody Ground about the Civil War, I think in North
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Carolina that kind of gets into that.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Oh Civil War battlegrounds, that's one of my it's one
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: of my favorite things to talk about. And too if
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you're from Jeria, oh god, that's we're okay. So you're
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you're in my head right now because I was going
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: to bring that up because I that's one of my
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: research areas and uh, and so we we have gone
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: out there. I don't know if you've ever heard of
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Corpsewood Manor, but that's real close to there, and I've
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: been out there a couple of times with my team.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: A brutal murder murder happened there and uh, and there's
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of Satanic worship going on there.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: A lot of bloodshed has happened, not only at Corpsewood Manor,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: but at Chickamauga Battlefield. That was one of the Civil
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: War battlefields for people who are watched and and aren't familiar,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: especially if you're from now the country. But a lot
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: of bloodhed. And I find that we have a lot
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: of bigfoot reports up there in try On in that area.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: It's mountains, okay, but dog man wear a wolf reports,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: sorts of weird cryptid I think there's the blood opens
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: a portal or something.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I think it does. And especially with these Civil War battlefields,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever been to one that wasn't haunted.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: And I've traveled around the world a couple of times.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I've been to the killing fields in the Southeast Asia,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I've been to Vietnam, I've been to the World War
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: One battlefields in France and places like that. But there's
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: nothing like these American battlefields. Revolutionary War stuff. There's a
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: lot of that here in New England, but something about
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the Civil War in particular. And you've got it at Gettysburg,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: You've got it there at Chickamauga, you've got it at Antietam,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: everywhere you go to. And I think it was because
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: it was the first time that Americans were killing Americans
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: on American soil, and that's why it was such and
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: just the sheer numbers of the dead dying. But yeah,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: the tower there a Snodgrass Hill. Somebody mentioned Old Green Eyes.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: There was some stories that that whatever that creature is
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: was seen in there among the dead and dying while
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: the battle was still going on. So it had been
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: there for a while. And there's a park ranger there
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: that's talked about encounters with that. There's been people run
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: out of that tower out in there. Something got after
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: them and they thought they were on the ground and
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: came out the second or third floor. And yeah, Lookout Mountain,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: that whole area down there, Ruby Falls, Strange, Strange area, Chattanooga,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Chattanooga's curse too.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Oh man. Okay, So my mom grew up at Lookout
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Mountain and she they would they had a cabin there,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and she used to tell me ghost stories about real
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: life stuff that happened to her. She had four brothers,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: and when they would go up there, there was at
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: some point where the little girl had gone missing. I'm
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: just gonna tell a quick story, Okay, a little girl
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: had gone missing, and they I guess they had a
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: television out there. They had a television inside the cabin,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: but they were outside the cabin. Apparently like the television
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: turned on, this little girl's picture was on there, and
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: it was just really odd because the TV turned on
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: by itself. And I don't know if the little girl
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: had gone missing that area or what. But when they
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: were sleeping in this cabin, this old timey typewriter used
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: to start typing by itself. Up there that was a
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: lookout mountain. My mom. I think that really scarred my
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: mother her entire life, some of those incidents that happened
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: up there. But that's Appalachian Mountains.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Too, Yep. Yeah, the entire appalation range from Georgia to Maine.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I think it's there's just a lot of weird stuff
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: on it. I've covered not only missing person cases, but
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: just strangeness that that's happened along the Appalachian Trail.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well it doesn't stop me from getting out
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: there and doing my research. But it's very, very dangerous
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: for people as far as clusters are missing people go
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: and people that go missing, especially hiking that Appalachian Trail.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been some unsolved murders. There's been all kinds
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: of things, and there's there's places, particularly like where it
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: goes through the Smokey's There there's old graveyards and things
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: in the back country that you don't even know about.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I can take you to a Native American graveyard that
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: dates from the Civil War that some of the braves
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: that fought they took their families with them, so there
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: was a lot of collateral damage. There is a Cherokee
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Confederate cemetery there that the last time I was there,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: there was just a little simple wood marker. You'd high
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: ride pascity if you didn't know where to look for it.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: So there's all kinds of things like that that you
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: can come across and not even have any knowledge of it.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Tell your experience something supernatural.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: That's true, Well, you know, I had the weirdest experience
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: you know. I went out with a team of guys.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: We were in Alabama about I guess it was about
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: a month ago, and we went to this place. It's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: a national forest actually, and some of the guys. Two
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: of the guys that were with us had had what
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: they thought was a dog man experience out there while
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: they were camping deep in the woods. So we went
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: backpack hiking and deep into these woods, like miles into
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: this forest. And when we got there, we all partner
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: our cars and this gentleman comes walking out of the woods, Steve,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and he's holding a rock. I actually have a picture
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: of it if you want to see it. He was
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: holding a rock and he said that He asked if
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: we believed in dragons, if we knew about dragons, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I said yeah. The guys kind of dismissed it a
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: little bit more than I did, and he came over.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: He said, well, he showed me this. He said, this
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: is part of a dragon's wing, and this is from
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: a petrified dragon on this trail right here. And so
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: he actually showed us a petrified dragon wing he took.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: He met us over there, and uh, and I was
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: just thinking it looked like a real dragon. It really did.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Now was it a real dragon? I don't know. Okay,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I can't say it was. But Steve, what what if
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: we have? Okay, And here's the that's that's my team
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that I was with. And that top left hand corner,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: that's the rot that man was holding that he claimed
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: that was a dragon's wing.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've heard those stories that there's a dragon, like
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: a petrified dragon across the some of those hills and
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: hollers there in the Apple southern Appalachians.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: So yeah, well I know where one of them is.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I know where that is. I mean, I haven't given
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: the exact location away to anybody, but it's in Alabama. Okay.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Imagine us having dragons in Alabama. Okay, if that's possible,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: anything's possible. Okay.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, nothing surprises me anymore. Okay, dragons in Alabama?
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: Going on?
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: You know, there's all kinds of stuff out there. There's
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: wild men and dog men and and Harry Harmonid's and
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: and different types of creatures, humanoids and humanoids. These uh
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: glimmer creatures that that people have been reporting. It looks
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: like saran wrap or something, but it's in the form
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: of a humanoid walking through the forest or jumping through
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: the trees and stuff. Who knows what's out there? Its Uh.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: The more I learned to realize that the very less
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I know. I was on Where the Road Go with
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Sarah Askat and he likened it too. He said, imagine
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: you're trying to put together one of these several thousand
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: piece jigsaw puzzles without the benefit of the box to
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: know what it's even supposed to look like exactly. And
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: then and then you find out that some cosmic joker
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: has mixed maybe a half dozen puzzles together, and so
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be some pieces that don't fit anywhere, and
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: once you're working on I thought that was one of
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: the best analogies I've ever heard.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I know, you know what. That's just when you think
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you have everything figured out, you don't, Okay, like you
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: never do. And anybody that thinks they does that, they do,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: I mean they don't, Okay, they really don't.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I hear somebody, Oh, he's an expert on the paranormal.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: I'll go the other way. I don't think there are
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: any experts on things that you can't quantify that there
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: is no scientific proof of, although there doesn't have to
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: be scientific proof for everything. Again. Talked about that my
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: dad working at okra's National Laboratory. He would talk about
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: how sometimes under laboratory extremely control conditions, anomalists things would happen,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: things that weren't supposed to happen. Yet they did, they
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: observed it, they couldn't get it to happen again, irreproducible results.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Anomalies occur in nature. Well, you're doing things like that
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: that can happen anywhere. I think there's all kinds of
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: stuff out there that we as humans can't measure or quantify.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just that we
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: don't understand it.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't understand anything. Like I always say,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about nothing. Okay, but I can
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: tell you what all I've experienced. And my team's actually
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: even an encounter what we consider to be a portal
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: by the way, that was featured on Discovery Channel this week.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: This happened back in twenty seventeen, so it's been a while,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: but we sent two I would I actually did not
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: do this, but two of the guys on my team
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: were sent over to it to check it out, and
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: they disappeared. That video was featured on Discovery a couple
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: of nights ago, so it's now public everybody. You can
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: find that online. I think it's called Alien Encounters fact
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: or fiction or something. It's what Tree went on. But anyways,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that's something that I've We've been talking about this experience
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: for years, okay, but we've never shown that that evidence
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: publicly before. But when when the guys were sent over
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: to this cube that showed up in the middle of
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: this you know, open field, Steve, you could see this
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: cube through or through flear through thermal devices, but you
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: couldn't see it with your bare eyes, and when they
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: got over to it, their heat signatures disappeared and the
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: environment changed. Okay, Well, we didn't really talk publicly about
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: that for a while, but then when we started talking
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: publicly about it, we started hearing more about these cubes
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: and other people experiencing cubes. And there was even one
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: feature on that David Politas show about the UFOs where
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: a guy talked about encountering a clear cube and he
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: ended up inside this cube with like elk or something.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: So I think that this could be where the missing
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: people are going.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Missing persons and mysteries about a woman as a little girl,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: she thinks she was almost taken and that's what she
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: saw over a little pond that they had. There was
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: two cubes out there, and she had missing time. She
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: either was taken out of her boots or ran out
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: of her boots and stuff, and you could hear the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: fear in her voice and stuff. But there's something about
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: the cubes. And then also triangles. I mean, you look
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: at all the different triangles, the Alaskan Triangle, the Las
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Vegas Triangle, the Michigan Triangle, the Bennington Triangle. It just
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: goes on and on with something about it. And maybe
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: it's just you know, it could be like lay lines
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: or things like that, but I think you could take
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: certain places and finds you three points around there, and
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: within the confines of that triangle, there's going to be
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: anomalous stuff. It's like the I five in California, that's
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: the Bigfoot Highway. Everything goes all the way up into Oregon,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: all the way up to the Canadian border, but it
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: goes to San Francisco, Northern California, Mount Shasta, southern Oregon,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the Oregon Vortex, those areas all the way up into
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: past Mount Rainier, Olympic National Park, National Forest. I've been
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: up there. There's all kinds of strange things just up
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: and down that quarter there. I don't know if it's
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: our equivalent of a lay line or it just so happens,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: but the I five across that the west coast is
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: just that's a that's a road trip for you right there.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I've got to go check out Mount Shasta. I have
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: covered two different two different angles of Mount Shasta, Okay,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: and it's it's got a lot to do with the
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: missing people. Have you okay? First of all, I'm gonna
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: ask you something. I don't know if you've ever heard
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: of this before. I add before I say it, Noxie,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: thank you for that supersticker. I appreciate you very much.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Robot Grandma. Have you heard of Robot Grandma.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I've talked about that story before. I've been to Mount Shasta.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I've spent some time up there. It's a freaky, freaky place.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I talked to a girl who's actually from Texas but
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: felt Shasta's call, quit her job, bought some camping equipment
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: and went and lived in a tent on Mount Shasta
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: for several months. For no reason, but uh, I was
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: up there just I've gone outside the cabin. I stayed
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: him the Cloud, which is just down the road from
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Mount Shasta, a place called Shasta You Lodge, had just
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: an incredible view. That mountain doesn't even look real. It
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: looks like a Bob Ross painting. And then you have
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: those luticular cloud formations and things. I saw lights up
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: on the mountain. At one point I was outside. It
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: was about two o'clock in the morning. I was getting
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: something out of the car, and I felt that feeling
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: you get when somebody's staring at you real hard, and
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I whipped around and the only thing there it was
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Mount Shasta. The mountain was watching you. So it's like Nietzsche,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: you know, whenever you appear into the abyss, the abyss
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: also peers into you. But yeah, that robot Grandma's story.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: The little kid went missing. They searched all over for him,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: that when they did find him, he was in an
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: area that had already been searched, just on the side
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: of the trail. And then weeks later he was telling
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: some story that he didn't like that other grandma and
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: his dad, like, you know, one other grandma and so
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: the robot grandma that was in the cave, remember when
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I was lost and nobody could find me. Came to
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: tell the story that it looked like his grandma and
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: acted like his grandma, but she was a robot, and
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: she tried to get him to defecate on a piece
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: of paper and he wouldn't do it. In this cave,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: he saw all these camping equipment and weapons and things
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: with cobwebs and dust and things on them, maybe even
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: people that were in suspended animation. So he told his
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: grandma all this, and she called her son and said,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: what are you letting him watch? What is he talking about?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, he was telling us that story.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: But then she remembered she'd been camping up there prior
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: to all this. You remember seeing red eyes or lights
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: or something outside her tent. The next thing she knows,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: she's waking up, face down in the dirt. She had
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: puncture marks on the back of her neck. So did
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: something take her DNA and make a replicant or a clone?
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: And that's what the little boy encountered in the cave.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: That just that's one of the weirdest head scratches I've
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: ever heard. But there's all kinds of stuff like that
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: on shaster.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I think that is one of the more fascinating stories.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I had never heard of that, and my friend Rachem
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: had given me that gave me some coordinates. It was
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: a blind remote viewing target, and it was mind blowing.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: I had never heard of this before. What really stuck
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: with me, though, was the fact that the little boy
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: said that there were cobwebs all over people's belongings inside
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: that cave. So there were purses and wallets and shoes
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: and all sorts of weird mixed matched items that belonged
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: to humans out there, and I was thinking, well, what
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: if that's from some of the missing people.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what that's my take on it. And you've
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: got other stories there of people that live inside the mountain,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: little mirians, tales of Saint Germain being spotted on the
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: mountain appearing to people and dictating things. And if you
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: go into the town proper shaft, there's the im reading room.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: There was a guy back in the excuse me, I
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: think the thirties or forties that created a religion based
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: around stuff that he supposedly channeled ale on Mount Schafs.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: It's a power spot for a lot of people. It's
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: very strange. Joshua Tree National Park out in California it's
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: like that too. There's just so much weird, weird stuff there.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I used to live in Las Vegas, and when I
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: had to go into La for things, I'd stopped and
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Joshua Tree usually and spend the night. But another weird spot, oh.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. I was just out in Reno recently
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: with Space Out Radio actually, and we went up we
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: did some ghost hunting up at Virginia City and had
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: a really good time. That's just an area of very
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: high strangeness.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Though.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: We went skywatching after we went ghost hunting night, and
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: we saw some strange things in the sky. I mean,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: of course they have let's just see underground bases and stuff,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: those deep underground military bases and Every fifty one is
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: not too far from there.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been up there. I've gone up on Freedom
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Ridge when you could get up there and looked down
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: into Area fifty one. People that I was with, we
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: get as close as we could until the Camo dudes
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: came out and chased us away. But the strangest UFO
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: experience I ever had was in Las Vegas down on
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: the south end of the strip. I was a manager
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: at one of the casinos at the time. I was
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: taking one of my employees' homes about two o'clock in
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: the morning and saw a triangular craft over a power
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: substation near the south end of the strip. There. It
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: was black. There was no lights on it. It was
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: totally silent. It was just hovering there. And I asked
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: my employee, said, do you see that? Excuse me? And
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: they did. I stopped, we got out, we watched it,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: and it was just hovering there, triangular, black as night,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: about the size of a football field. And then suddenly
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: it either went straight up or it just winked out.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: And I had the idea that it moved up, but
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: if it did, it went so fast that we couldn't
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: see it either that it was just gone and no
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: explanation for what that was. I mean, was that one
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: of ours, one of theirs, or something interplanetary? Who knows?
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: But I know what I saw.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know. I've seen some weird stuff myself,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: and you can't discount, you know, people's experiences and stuff.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: And I think that some of these vanishing, some of
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: these people who've gone missing are attributed to UFO encounters.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, we just covered the the is it the
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Pesca goula? Is that how you pronounced it? The pescas glow?
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: And this is the UFO incident. Yeah, those guys were taken.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: And seventy three or seventy four, I remember when that happened.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I was a kid that scared the crap out of
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: They had the eyeball come in and scan them.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, him and well and Travis Walton too. That
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: incident and the Alligash incident. I mean, there's there's a
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: lot of like mass et abductions, and of course those
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: people were brought back eventually.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Seventy three was a good year for UFO abductions and things.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: There was a maze your flap that year. I was
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: ten years old that October and remember a lot of
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: that stuff. My parents and I would go up to
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: my brother's house. He lived up on the hill with
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: the highest places around there, go out the lawn chairs
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: on Saturday night and sit and watch these weird lights
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: in the sky. You know, what a great family thing
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: to remember. But yeah, there's a lot of weird stuff
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: out there, and I think UFOs play into it. And
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: also if you notice around these places where disappear, they'll
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: be encounters with the UFOs and with big foot they
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: kind of appear. I don't know if they're they're not
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: mutually exclusive or anything, but a lot of times where
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: you have one, you will have the other.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Oh that's when when I finally came out publicly about
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: my bigfoot research. From the very first time I ever
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: went out bigfooting, I had UFO contact and then and
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: then eventually, okay, we kept having a lot of UFOs
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: in the environment when we were doing our bigfoot research.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I started getting visited in my room by actual ets
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: at home. Okay, so there is a connection. I don't
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: know what that connection is. I still don't after all
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: these years, but there's a connection to each.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: And you mentioned Travis Walton. That's the most compelling case
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I've ever heard of heard the man speak. I've heard
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: him give his account of it. Then he if he's
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: making it up, he deserves an oscar that because he
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: believes what he tells. And he was one of these
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: that had absolutely nothing to gain and risk everything is
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: his career, his life, everything to us or kind of
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: like Betty and Barney Hill, that I've covered that story
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: before that was up here in New England. Again they
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: were just you know, out doing their thing and had
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: all this happen to him. Again nothing to gain, that's right,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: just you know, they were not the type of attention
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: seek do any kind of at tension seeking behavior. So
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: since the cases like that, and we're talking about out
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: on my radio show a while back, if there's just one,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: you know, if there's one encounter that's true with the UFO,
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: one with Bigfoot, one with dog Man, then there's something
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: out there. It just takes one.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: It takes one. And you know you had it. Oh,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: me too, I've experienced it myself, so I do believe
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: it one hundred percent. And uh and you you you
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: covered a really interesting account of a woman. I think
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: her name was Claudia Actly maybe yeah, Claudia Acte.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: She was a woman who had she was a bigfoot researcher,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: but she had an interesting experience where her she was
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: her daughter was filming her with her camera phone and
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: a big foot showed up in the background. She ended
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: up suing the state of California because they have bigfoots
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: there and uh, and they I guess she was a
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: threat to the safety of people in California, and she
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: actually filed a lawsuit on that. Okay, on them. No,
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: And this is something that I mean, I don't know.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: It's kind of mind boggling because it's like, well, why
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: have more people not filed suit against the government on
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: this stuff? They know they're out there, But I guess
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: it's just an interesting case.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: There's also certain states and municipalities that have passed laws
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: saying that you can't harm or bother or molest or
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: hunt a bigfoot or any kind of creature out there.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: So to me, that would lend some credence to the
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: fact that they do exist if they're passing laws to
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: protect them.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because they can be a danger to people, Okay.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: And I personally do not believe that bigfoots are taking
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: all of these missing people. I don't, okay, I think
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: that they could make up some of these missing people's cases.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: We do know that Albert Osman back in the nineteen twenties.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: I was just going to mention that Albert Osman claimed
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: he was taking bedrolling all by a family of bigfoot
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: and the way you got to way they were curious
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: about the snuff that he was using, and he let
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: him try and made him sick and he was able
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: to get away.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: I've covered that case, Oh yeah, I mean we've there
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: have been numerous cases, especially in the nineteen twenties. I
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: believe in the same year nineteen twenty four, the attack
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: at Ape Canyon happened as well. I think that was
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: in Washington, which was I think British Columbia is where
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Albert Osman was, but down in Washington State.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Up to Ape Cave. It's up there close to what
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: used to be Mount Saint Helens. That's still there, but
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: it doesn't look like it used to. But yeah, I've
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: been up to where that happened at and I've covered that,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: the Ape Canyon attacks, and it's quite the story. The guy, yeah,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: claims he shot one and it fell off a canyon
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: into the so somewhere if that's if that really happened,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: there is a carcass and there was a paranormal group
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: in California that think they had found the where that
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: happened at where they were sequestered in here while Bigfoot
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: was trying to a family or a group of Bigfoot
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: was trying to run them out of there righting bowlers
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: on it all night. They think they've located where that
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: cabin was. Excuse me, I got a tickle in my throat.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I was at Squatch Best and Longview, Washington's been a
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and they had an exhibit based
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: on that. So if that's if they have located that area,
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: they might be able to locate the remains a skeleton
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: of a sasquatch. And they're saying because of what happened
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: with the Mount Saint Helens when that blew, that it
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: would have covered it an ash and probably preserved calcified
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: for the calcified the bones. So interesting if so.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Steve, I bet you were a fan of
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Coast to Coast am with Art Bell. Do you remember
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Old Bugs that called in and said that he had
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: and buried two bigfoots?
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, Now Art definitely had a strange audience. I
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: was only on Arts show once and it was towards
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: the end there. That's the first place I ever told
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: my Black Eyed Kids encounter. Art was sick that night,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: so I was on with his at that time. His
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: producer was Heather Wade, and she and I talked. Apart
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: from the show, We're friends in real life, and she
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: knew about that story kind of goded me into telling
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: that live and then during one of the many commercial breaks.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: It was one of her first times running the show.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: She didn't have a radio background, and she'd been Art's producer,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: and he called in to tell her what a good
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: job she was doing. She had him on speakerphone, so
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I got to hear him and he told me, Oh, Steve,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: I loved that story. And that was the closest I
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: got to be it on Art. So now I've been
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: on with George Nori on the New Coast to Coast
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: but no shade on George. But nobody will ever replace Art.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Art was one of a kind for sure. I was
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: just on George Norris show too a couple of months ago,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: so shout out to George. That was fun. Uh but yeah,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: that was just such a fascinating case where you know,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: people would First of all, it is a fascinating show
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: because people would call in, and I mean some of
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: my shows have been based off of some of those
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: call ins, like Mels Hole okay and uh in bugs too,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: I've covered bugs and so there are people who have
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: claimed to have shot sasquatch bigfoots buried them. And uh,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't know how this is linked.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I guess it is linked to like the missing people,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: because there's bigfoots in the woods, okay, and so you
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: know that that's the connection there. They could be taken people.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: But there's also people that have hurt or killed or
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: you know, buried bigfoots. And uh, that one guy had
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: enough gumption to call in and talk about it, Okay.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: And I wonder where those bodies are today though, that's
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: the question, where are those bodies?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And you know I've heard that put forth, Well,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: they can't exist because we've never found a deceased one
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: in the woods. Well, I've been all over the woods,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: particularly in the Smokies. I've hiked section, hiked a lot
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: of the Appalachian Trail. I've never seen a bear carcass.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: I've never seen a big cat carcass. I've never even
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: seen a deer carcass unless it was one that somebody
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: had poached out a season. But just because you can't
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: find a dead one doesn't mean they don't exist. I
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: know there's bears out there. I know there's big cats
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: out there. The small predators, animal predation. They take care
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: of their own. I think even something the size of
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: a bear, within just a few days, it's reduced to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: nothing by the smaller creatures. It could be like the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: elephant graveyard, did they you know, the fabled elephant graveyard.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe the big feet take their dead somewhere and bury
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: them away from other people.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Mean either and you know, I had Carter Bouchard was
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: on the show one night and we talked about big
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: foot burials. And he's studied that and is really he's
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: done a bunch of bigfoot investigations and a bunch of research.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: You's written a bunch of books. But we had a
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: conversation about big foot burials and and it really does
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: put a more kind of human aspect on the bigfoot, uh,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: you know, thinking about them, you know, burying their dead.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: And I believe that bigfoots are very much like just
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: humans to me, like big, big hairy humans. Some of
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: them will eat you, some of them will love you. Okay,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: it just depends on what kind of mood they're in.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: But just like people, I think there's good and bad,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: and you know that's like the same with dog man
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: and things like that. I mean, you have different types
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: of dogs and things. You've got the German shepherds, or
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: you've got bagels, or you've got you know, snicker poohs
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: or whatever. But you know, they're all dogs, but all
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: dogs aren't the side. All German shepherds are dogs, but
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: all dogs aren't German shepherds. So and the same with bigfoot.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, you have the different varieties and stuff, just
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: like you do, say with squirrels, you have red squirrels,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: you have gray squirrels. I've seen squirrels that were black,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: you know, depending on the area and stuff. I think
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: they're just as unique an individual as people. I think
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: there may be some kind of forgotten race or a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: different type of people. I've heard that theory put forth
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: that they're the Nephelim, that they're some sort of creature
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: from the Great Fall. Who knows. I mean, there's so
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: many theories out there that you can kind of just
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: you know, a little bit of understanding in each of those.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: But yet there is no hard and fast rules on
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: anything yet.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you just sparke to memory. Okay, So, about
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: a year or two ago I was called out to
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: a state park to do a bigfoot investigation, and it
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: took me a while to get out there because there
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: was just the guy, the State of the state park
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: ranger told me that he had gotten like nine bigfoot
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: reports over the past month, and I was like, well,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I didn't really know what to make of it, so
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: it took me a while to get out there. It
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: turns out they said that there was a death blamed
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: on a big foot at his park, and so that
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: got my attention. I got a scouting group together and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: me and my guys went out there and one of
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: the stories that he told us one of the encounters
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: that he said had happened to some of the campers.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: There was four There were two couples and they were
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: headed down a trail late at night to their tent
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: and he said when they something jumped down from a
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: tree in front of them on this dark trail. Two
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: of the people in the front saw a seven to
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: nine foot tall bigfoot. Okay, that jumped down from a tree. Well,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: they took off, running past the other two people that
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: were behind them on the trail, who said they saw
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: a squirrel. Okay, So isn't that odd? And it makes
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: you wonder, Like I thought, it was kind of crazy.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: But then I've had other people tell me similar stories
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: when they were taking Bigfoot reports.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they have a way to disguise
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: themselves or mimic other things, or appear as of whatever
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: they want to hear. I've heard the stories about Bigfoot
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: appearing as a stone and the guys standing out in
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: on his property. Like where that big stump come from?
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: I don't remember a stump being there, and then it
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: sort of morphs into a humanoid creature and walks off
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: into the tree line. I think they're experts at camouflage,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: and and that really be something if it can make
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: itself look like a squirrel. But who knows. If they're interdimensional,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: if they have abilities that we don't understand beyond our
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: sixth senses, they're maybe not limited by time or space
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: or the things that limitations that we've come up with.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: That's right. We always think in human terms, and those
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: things are not functioning at a human level, none of them,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: none of them. They may be above us, they may
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: be below us, but not on this level. And sometimes
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: that's kind of my rationality, is like, well, it's all
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: a frequency thing too, because some of us can see them,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: some of us have encounters with them. Of course I'm
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: out there chasing them all the time and stuff. But
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes you just got to be on
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: that right frequency to have these experiences, even with ghosts.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you say that?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And again I think a lot of these things
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: vibrate at a different frequency, a hire or lower frequency,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: depending and if you look at and even the light spectrum,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: you know, what we can see is this much in
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: the grand scheme of things, But the actual spectrum is
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: way out here, you know, beyond the edge of some
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: of ice screen here. So who's to say? And a
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: comedian Lake comedian Mitch Hedberg once said that all the
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: pictures of Bigfoot are blurry because the creature itself is blurry.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: And that's a clear picture of a bigfoot. The bigfoots blurry?
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe it is? That could be, you know, because it
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: vibrates at a different frequency, in a different spectrum of light.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: That's why we can't get a good clear picture of it,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: because it doesn't want you to. It has the ability
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: to raise your lord its own vibrational frequency as it
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: means of camouflage makes sense to me.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: It makes sense to me. It's like everything makes sense
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: and nothing makes sense at the same time. Yac right,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: no sense makes sense exactly. Okay, Well, getting back to
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: all the missing people that we have, do you think
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: it's more of could it also, because so we've established it,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: it could be cryptids, right, could be cryptis or taking
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: some of these people. But there's also that human aspect.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: And I don't just mean like we have serial killers
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: hiding in the wood sometimes where I go and do
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: my research, so I'm always armed at all times when
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: I'm out there. But there's also you know, I mentioned
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: the portal. Okay, I believe a lot of people are
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: being literally kidnapped, kidnapped. Okay, what do you think about that?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: I think that's a possibility. I mean, you have people
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: like israel Keys who traveled across country to different national
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: and state parks. He would go there ahead of time
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: and cash kill kids, you know, a plastic bucket with
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: rope weapons, whatever he thought he was gonna need, and
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: then he would go back and just wait for somebody
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: to happen along. Crime of opportunity that goes on. You know,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: there's been other killers like that that worked in the
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: National Force. The FBI thought that at one time there
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: was maybe as many as two or three serial killers
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: moving up and down the Appalachian Trail. When you think
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: about that, if you're on the trail, you could get
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: off in one of these little towns, do your nefarious deeds,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: hop back on the trail, and take off again. And
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: even if they set up you know, like a dragnet,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: a man hunt and all this, they're most likely not
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: gonna block the trail. They're gonna block the highways and
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: things like that, so that I could see that happening,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: or likewise, somebody work in the trail to find those
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: victims of opportunity, like that a solo hiker, or like
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: the two females that were murdered in Shenandoah, you know,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: just again just happened to be in the wrong place
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: at the right time and became victims. I think that
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: goes on too. It's a little bit of everything. I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: don't think it's any one particular thing. And then another
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: thing that I've often thought about in cases where people
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: they find them with no shoes. But when I lived
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: in Portland, Oregon, there's something there called the Shanghai Tunnels.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: They still exist there below street level in Portland and
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: they harken back to the time when Portland was a
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: rough and rolly town. It was part of the wild West.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: You might walk into a bar or a brothel, you
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: get slipped to mickey. The next thing you know, they
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: take in the back. They dump you down this tunnel
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: into the Shanghai Tunnels and you get Shangha. That's where
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: they got to name. You come to and you're on
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: a merchant marine boat headed for the Orient, but down
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: there you can still tour those totals in places that's
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: sandy and there's broken glass down there, So that was
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: one of the things they would do with take take
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: their boots, drop them down the chute. If they did
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: come to before they were on a boat headed to Asia.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: It's dark, you're disoriented, you've been drugged, your barefoot and
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: the floor's covered and broken glass, so basically you're not
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: going anywhere. Well, a lot of these people that go
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: missing and that aren't found, they will find their footwear
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: just left, sometimes side by side, which is kind of strange.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: But if you think about it, if you were gonna
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: hunt humans and you wanted to give them just a
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: little bit of a headstart and a sporting chance, take
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: their boots and say, okay, you run that way, I'm
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: going to give you a five minute head start, and
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: then when I find you, i'm gonna shoot you. They're
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: not going to get far or fast without any boots
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: in the woods. Yeah, that's pretty pretty sister like that
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: that short story The Most Dangerous Game.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. Well, there's just there's a lot
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: of dangers out there, and then would a lot of
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: dangers and uh, I mean we've even well I don't
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: want to get into detail about this, because I do
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: remote viewing and we do we are given like targets.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: We work with law enforcement sometimes I have before in
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: the past there was one case of a man who
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: I think he had like kidnapped a girl who was
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: hiking with her dog up in North Atlanta or up
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: in North Georgia, and she ended up decapitated or something.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: It was just you know, and so I always have
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: that in the back of my mind when we're out
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: in the woods. I never am out there by myself
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: with my kid, not at night especially, but that's one
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: of our rules of our team is like we we
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: never go anywhere by ourselves, and we always have radio contact.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: With where you're going when you plan to be back
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: routes you're going to take. There's I've got a video
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: I'm working on called how Not to Go Missing, and
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: it covers things you can do to lessen the chance
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: of going missing. Of course, anything can go wrong at
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: any given time, but there's there's certainly things you can
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: do to make it harder to go missing for yourself.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: For others, that's right. You always tell somebody where you're going, okay,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: And the majority of the people, from what I remember reading,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: people who had like something to protect themselves with, like
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: a pew pew, you know what I mean. Uh, they're
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: less likely to get taken. And people who have like
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: a spot or some kind of GPS device, they're less
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: likely to go missing too. I mean, there's just certain
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: precautions you can take. But definitely let somebody know where
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: you're going if you're out in those woods, yeah, for sure.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: And yeah, a personal locator bacon and we're permitted a firearm,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: but carry it responsibly.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't just carry one if you don't know what
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: you're doing, if you're not trained in it. Okay, But
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: but I do take some bear spray or something. Yeah,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: never go unprepared and plus and there was another case
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: recently of out in Alabama as a matter of fact,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: of a gentleman who was actually he was shot. He
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: and his fiance someone was on a forest road. Two
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: women they were pretending like their car had broken down,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: and the guy pulled over to help, and they ended
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: the two women ended up holding him at gunpoint, and
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: he shot her and she shot him, and he ended
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: up dying. And it turns out when they went to
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: go search for who shot him those two women, they
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: found there's like a whole big, gigantic off grid community
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: in the middle of a national forest. So that's something
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: else that we need to take into consideration too.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Some of these national forests, there's stories like that of
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: like a hippie death cult, you know, like Manson family
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: types that do that. They use the younger female members
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: of their group to lure unsuspecting travelers in, oh, can
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: you give me a ride, And then they give them
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: a ride and then they get jumped by you know,
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: people hiding in the bushes and stuff. So, yeah, doesn't
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: pay to pick up hitchhikers.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you get ambushed. Just you got to be careful
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: about that too, kay I have, uh the excuse of
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: being a single female, you know. So like, I'm not
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: going to stop for just anybody. I'm sorry, I'm just not,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: especially if I have my kid in the truck too.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: So just be aware of your surrounding.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: If I see somebody I think actually needs assistance, I'll
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: call for them. But I'm not going to stop and
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: try to do anything I don't because you never know.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get carjacked or anything. I've had
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: that almost happened to me in Knoxble back in the nineties.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: I had somebody tried to get my work van. So
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: it's it's you know all I was doing stopping at
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: a stop sign.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Well, and you you are constantly researching missing people, people
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: who have disappeared, so you know the warnings, you know
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: the dangers, okay, and some people just kind of let that.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: Some people, you know, a lot of us, even myself,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: I'm guilty of it. We don't think sometimes, you know,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: we're not always on point like we should be, and
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: and our human compassion comes in sometimes and that'll get us,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: that could get you hurt.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: You gotta gotta trust those gut instincts and go. But yeah,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: I've been looking into this stuff. My first real experience
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: with a missing persons was the Dennis Martin case Father's
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Day in nineteen sixty nine that happened. You know, Dennis
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: was from Knoxville. I was from Knoxville. He was just
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: a few months older than me. I was five going
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: on six. I think he was six going on seven.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: That was huge news all over Knoxville, you know, in
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: the papers, in the news and stuff. I followed that
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: case from day one. Some of those other disappearances in
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: the smoke, He's a treny gifts that I've followed. That one.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: I didn't know her. I knew her sister later in life,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: but she worked at the restaurant at the mall that
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: my parents liked to eat at Yard in high school,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: which was a rival to the Carns where I went
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: to high school. And then the Thelma Pauline I can't
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: remember her last name that disappeared up there. My hiking
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: and skiing club was part of the Boots on the
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: Ground and rescue search and rescue volunteers.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: So wow, that the Dennis Martin case.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Doing this for a long time, Yeah, you have that.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: That didn't you have been doing it a long time.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: The Dennist Martin case is something I don't think I've
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: really covered that very much on my channel, but some
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: people thought that potentially that could have been feral people
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: that took him.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I mentioned earlier, the guy south Forest ten
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: that claims his relatives hunted those feral bigfoot human hybrids
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: and the smoke he's prior to become a national park.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: That's his theory that they took Dennis and either devoured
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: him or used him as breeding stock. Getting that. It's
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: his story, not mine, but you never know.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Well, here's here's a little fun fact. Some
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: of the guys that I go out and do my
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: big footing with were up in North Carolina at a
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: particular forest, okay, one that's pretty well known up there.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: They were doing some bigfoot research one week and outcome
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: these swat team uniform men. Okay, these guys wearing like
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: from head to toe like swat gear with bulletproof vest
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: and their automatic weapons and just looking like swat teams okay,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: like militaristic, And they came walking out of the woods
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: at a national forest and the guys on my team
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: were like, what are y'all doing? Here and they said, well,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: we're doing the same thing you're doing.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: There.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: You go, right, Yeah, it makes you think, doesn't it.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: It does, And I think that's the other side of
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: the coin. There's some of this is government experience experiments
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: rather either ours theirs or maybe some involvement with other
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: you know, there's there's stories of complicency with the alien
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: forces and things like that. One of my friends, Laura Eisenhower,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: her great grandfather I the president, and she says it's
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: like an open secret in their family that they've had
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: a treaty with the aliens. So who knows?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh, I just met Laura about about two
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: weeks ago.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: And Laura Magdalen Eisenhower, and she tells it like it is.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: But she talks about that her grandfather and church Hill
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Hitler and Alistair Crowley. I think we're all in on
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: that meeting with the elements that took you know, it
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: sounds like something out of the novel. It took place
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: like on a dark and stormy night, you know. But
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: she claims that, you know, that was the story within
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: the Eisenhower family, that that really happened. But she is
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: a fascinating let you get her on if you can.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, she's coming on. I'm actually going to be on
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: her show in about two weeks and she's coming on
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: my channel too. But I just love her to death.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I did not know that Alish Crowley was involved in
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: that too.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: H a spin on it, and then yeah, and he's
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: He's in a lot of these things, you know, So
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: he's in there somewhere. On my radio show, we talked
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: about the occult influence in rock music and pop culture.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Proley's all through that and other places too. You know,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: he was supposedly a spy during World War Two and
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: maybe World War One, but who knows. I think that's
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: my takeaway from all this stuff. Who knows? You know,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: there's you hear a little bit of everything, and the
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: more you delve into it, it's it's like an octopus
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: with a thousand tentacles, you know, or a one rabbit
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: hole leads to ten more. And like I said, it's
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: it's been a fun journey. But I've got a lot
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: more questions that I started with and I gave up
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: looking for the answers decades ago. Out now I'm looking
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: for the next set of questions.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I like the way you think Steve, I really do
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: because it's the same as me. I think you and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I are like on the same frequency with a lot
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: of this stuff, and we're both doing similar research and
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: we're diving into the same stuff, same topics.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that will I have to ask you, do
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: you have RH negative blood?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: I don't, but and that's one thing we talked. I
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: talked about blood. I have a friend of mine Bryce,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: I go on her show on Esoteric Atlanta, and she's
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: always talking about blood types. I've never disclosed what my
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: blood type is on air. But I'm not RH negative, okay,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: just because i know listen, I've been warned about vampires, Steve.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm being negative. And I've noticed that a
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: lot of people that are RH negative we're drawn to
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: one another, and a lot of us are doing kind
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: of the same research and are interested in the same things.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: And I have a those charits. I have green eyes.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: You can't really tell on here, but yeah, RH negative
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: And uh goes back to you know, the Star Children,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Crystal Children and to go Children that that everybody. I
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: believe there's something to all of that.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I have green eyes. I definitely have green eyes now,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: the blood, the blood type. I don't have RH negative,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: but I do have And I have noticed that a
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: lot of people with green eyes are working with working
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: with people with green eyes right now, what is what
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: is it deal?
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: I have noticed that there's some underlying connection there and
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of that's.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: There is Oh, we're gonna we're gonna figure it out. Well,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: the answers will come one day, it will come, and uh,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: and so I just have patience. Okay, I just have
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: patience and.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: I have answers. The journey wouldn't have been anywhere near
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: as fun as it's been. And uh, journey's not over yet,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: so I love it.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, it's all about It's all about the journey, right,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: It's not about like it's all those detours and stuff
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: and like just meeting new friends and swapping stories and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: encounters and going out. Listen, I have I have more
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: trips planned out into the woods in the near future
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: and I'm still out. They're going to be doing some
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: boots on the ground. I'm going to be stalking dog
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Man in the near future and uh, and that's what
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: I love to do. And I always come back with
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: a good story, Okay, always come back and that's what
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: it's all about. But yeah, it's this is fun question.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: There Steph the contractor asking me if I was ever
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: went to uh, Steal your Dollar City or Go Rust
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: Junction before it was Dollywood. Yeah. I I've went to
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: Go Rust Junction when I was a little kid. That's
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: up there and in Severeville. But uh, I've been to
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: all three incarnations of that, Go Rush Junction, Silver Dollars City,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: and Dollywood.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's near Gatlinburg, right, that's not too
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: far from Gatlinberg Gateway.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: The smoke he's there. In fact, I know Dolly Parton.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: I wired her house for a Cap five Internet back
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: in the day, and then also the apartment that she
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: has there at Dollywood up but I used to do
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: network stuff.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I got to meet Dolly okay back
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: when I were I used to work in government. She
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: is so sweet. She's just like how she is on screen, okay,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: and she's just the same, and she just seems like family,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Like she's like somebody.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: That recognize her till I heard her talk and then
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: I knew who it was. I was. I'd gotten to
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: her house early to do this network installation. This whole
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: pickup truck comes bopping up the highway. Guy with the
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: gets out, the shirt open and the sleeves cut off.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Woman and ripped up jeans and sunglasses gets out, and
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, this is the gardener or something. But
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: then she talked and I'm like, that's Dolly Parton And
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: she didn't have the rig or anything. And they've been
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: down to Walmart. She donated land there for them to
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: build a Walmart so she'd have a place to shop
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: that's close to her house. But she goes out incognito.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: But she's a great lady.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: I love Dolly, Oh my god.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I know most people who are famous are just like us,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Okay people that I mean, just everyday people, just and
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: they want to be everyday people, okay, And they don't
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: they don't like to be dolled up all the time.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: And uh so, I wonder if Dolly's had any kind
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: of paranormal experiences.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: I'd say she has. I'd love to talk to her
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe you can set that up sometime. I'd
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: watch I'd watch that interview, okay, or bring her send
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: her over to my channel. Steve, No, there's there's just
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: so much that goes on in the Smokey's and the appellations.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: And I knew that we were gonna have a great
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: discussion tonight about all this, and uh, I don't know,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: do you do you have any like I don't want
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: to end this conversation because it's so good, but uh,
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: but I also don't want to keep you here all night.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I know you've got a you've got a baby on
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: the way and stuff. So I, uh, I have thoroughly
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: enjoyed this though, for sure talking to you. Yeah, for sure,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have to. We're gonna have to bring you
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: back on Steve okay if you will, And likewise, I
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: want to get you on my radio show and spend
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: a couple hours over there and going over some stuff. Yeah, anytime,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, anytime. Anytime. Well, do you have
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: do we have any final thoughts tonight? Maybe we should
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: kind of bring it to that and then and then
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: have you tell the audience about all your books and
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: your your YouTube channels and stuff. Do you have any
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: final thoughts on these people who've disappeared out of our
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: national parks.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Just be careful out there. There's obviously something going on.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: That's bigger than all of us, whether it's the government,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: whether it's UFO's Bigfoot dog Man Limberman, a cult influence.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: There's something out there. Just be careful, be vigilant, stay safe.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: I don't want to make a video about any of you,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: I know, right.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Oh that's good advice. Yes, don't be something's lunch or
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: dinner out there.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Either, a statistic. Yeah, And don't think it can't happen
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: to you, because I've made videos about thousands of people
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: that didn't think it could happen to them until it did.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Exactly, it doesn't.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: Affect until it And do everything you can to prevent
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: it from happening to you. That's the best advice I
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: can give.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and keep your eye on your kids, y'all. Keep
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: your eye on your kids when you're out there. Keep
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: them picking berries?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wear red, don't pick berries. Don't let them run ahead,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: don't leave them behind. If you're with a group, stay
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: with a group.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. I've considered tying a rope around my
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: kid's waist and tying it to my wrists. Okay, like
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: I literally thought about it.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Idea Seriously, they make those like a kid leash.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I don't harness.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: It used to be, but yeah, wear harness.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it sounds it sounds rough, but y'all
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: it's but it's those are our you know, most precious assets.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you could say, like our our most precious things,
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  Speaker 1: like our loved ones.
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  Speaker 2: There are you know, actual kidnappings and people that take
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  Speaker 2: babies and things like that. There's human trafficking. It's not
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  Speaker 2: all supernatural that there's a lot of stuff like that
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  Speaker 2: out there, but there's just a lot of evil people
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  Speaker 2: in this world too. So yeah, this is be be careful, yes,
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  Speaker 2: be careful.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all in here. Oh Heavy, I love Brown Dwarf Man.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being here.
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  Speaker 2: Brown Dwarf He's been on my UFO channel too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's he's out in l a man. He's
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  Speaker 1: got some good footage of a lot of orbs and
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  Speaker 1: that's something else.
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  Speaker 2: He does.
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  Speaker 1: And Steve, that's something that I didn't even bring up tonight.
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  Speaker 1: We have a lot of orbs. Whenever we're having like
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  Speaker 1: bigfoot activity and stuff, or even we're not having bigfoot activity,
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  Speaker 1: but we're in the field. Orbs are a constant, okay,
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  Speaker 1: were we always have orbs out there. It seems like
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  Speaker 1: every time, and I don't know right thing. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure if they have anything to do with the disappearances,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of orbs in those national forests. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so in my experience for sure. Okay, Stee, tell everybody
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  Speaker 1: about your YouTube channels and your books and where they
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: can find.
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  Speaker 2: You, Okay, the main channels of missing persons and mysteries,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: and that's just what it sounds like. Missing persons will
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: always be before that. And my mission statement, if I
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  Speaker 2: have one, is if I can bring one person home
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  Speaker 2: or give one family closure worst case scenario, then I'm
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: doing what's been laid on my heart to do to
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  Speaker 2: keep the names and the faces out there. Some of
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  Speaker 2: these people have been missing for years and years and years,
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: and the law enforcement have given up, but the families
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: haven't given up. There's always that hope, you know. We
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  Speaker 2: talked about Dennis Martin. I was on an interview with
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: his dad, and I met his dad before this was
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: probably say, on the fortieth anniversary of Dennis's disappearance. They
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: interviewed him and he said, you know, I'm always thinking
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: that one day I'll be sitting here to be a
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: knock at the door. I'll go answer the door and
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: there'll be a nice looking young man there and he's
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: a guy. Okay, a reporter wanted to talk to me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: how can I help you? And this young man will say, Dad,
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  Speaker 2: it's me. It's Dennis. I've come home. And sadly that
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  Speaker 2: never happened. His dad passed away. I think about ten
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: or so years ago on my birthday, no less Halloween,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: and he never had any closure, but always kept looking
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  Speaker 2: for Dennis. And that's got to be just the most
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  Speaker 2: awful thing in the world. And I just I want
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  Speaker 2: to be a voice for those that no longer have
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  Speaker 2: a voice and advocate for the missing in any way
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: that I can. And then on the other side of
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: that coin, I have tales. I'm told that's more immersive storytelling.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: I get into folklore, legends, things like that. Over there,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: there's some missing Person content that used to be a
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: different channel. It's been rebranded. And then I have From Beyond,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: which is my UFOAP and related phenomenon channel. On the radio,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: I'm on the Clyde Lewis Ground zero radio network. There
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: are Sunday nights starting at nine pm Eastern. It's called
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: Everything Out there. He just search everything out there, Steve Stockton,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: you find it. They archive them over there, and it's
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: also on Spriaker and iHeartRadio and Apple podcast places like that,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: and also the YouTube channels there on Spriaker as well
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: if you just want to listen to the audio offline
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: or downloaded or whatever. My books are on Amazon and
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: wherever fine books are sold. As my publisher likes to say,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: I've just got a couple here. This one National Park
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: and Mysteries and Disappearance is why I'm one of the
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: great Smokies. That's one of my favorite books. And My
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: Strange World, which is autobiographical. That's just a few of
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: my personal paranormal experiences. The other big one is Strange
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Things in the Woods. I don't have a happy about here.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: I have one here and I gave it to Buddy
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: came by my house the other day. But anyway, you
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: can find them on Amazon or antsie Steve Stockton Books
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: antsy dot com, and I'll send you signed copies and
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: they're put in stickers and bookmarks and stuff. But I'm
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: all over the place. Just type in Steve Stockton and
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: you'll find me.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Plenty of places of fine, Steve y'all. And also
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: you made an appearance occasionally on spaced Out Radio with
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: Dave Scott.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: So that's the third hour over there. At the top
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: of the third hour, I have a story. I don't
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: know if they're every night like they used to be
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: or not Monday through Friday. So I've had all this
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: going on with the baby and things, and then that's
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: coming down to the wire Monday. It'll be three weeks
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: and six days so a lot of prep work going
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: on for the baby. I've had to kind of slack
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: in some other areas, but I was talking today the
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: other day, so there's still stuff up over there. But yeah,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: I love that with Dave. I've spoke at a UFO
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: conference with Dave a couple of years ago and Dave
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: was my opening act, so that was pretty cool.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, very cool. Oh yeah, we love as a space
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Out Radio. I've been a weekend host there for about
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: almost two and a half years now on Sunday night.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: So I've got a show called Off the Trails over there.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's how I found you to begin with,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: was hearing you on Dave show. Okay, So, and I've
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: been hooked ever since I've been hooked and I'm so glad.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you came on the show tonight.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Steve.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: I had a great time. Like I said, I want
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: to get you on my radio show as soon as possible,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: and I'll come back anytime. Baby willing.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, well, I'm glad I caught you before the
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: baby came. Okay, I'm definitely glad, and we'll definitely do
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: this again. So just keep doing what you're doing, Steve.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: You're doing this amazing work that you're putting out and
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: it's heart wrenching, okay, with the lot of these stories,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: but they need to be told. They are they are,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: but you have a wonderful way of telling the stories
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: and and you know, keeping them the memories going.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: Andy teller at heart. I get that from my maternal grandmother.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: She was a self described gypsy witch. I don't know
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: where she got the gypsy part at because she was
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: born in Kate's co In eighteen ninety, but I just
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: you know, grew up around her telling stories. She's a
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: part of the spiritualism movement from the turn of the
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: last century. She told fortunes, read cards, practice for anology, tea, leaves,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: coffee grounds, all that stuff, and had a whole head
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: full of superstitions and folklore and stuff. So I came
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: by it honest.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: Oh she sounds like my kind of a woman.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: I like that Appalachia should be a granny witch. But
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: she liked to call herself Gypsy would, so there you go.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: Gypsy would sounds way more wild and free.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: And uh, I think there was some old country that
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: they were, probably Remainia or somewhere like that. Probably.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I love it. Well, now we
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: see where you get it from. Now we see yeah, awesome,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: all right, see, well, good luck with your baby. I
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: can't wait to hear you. Gotta make that announcement when
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: you have your on your baby. Times.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: You got the name picked out and everything, but we're
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: just kind of holding it close till he's here. So
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: somebody with a sooner due date doesn't snipe the name
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: from us. But it's a very special, veteran literary name,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: something you don't hear every day, but it has meaning
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: for my wife and I. So I think Nicole's listening.
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  Speaker 1: Love you, sweetheart, so oh, congratulations on your baby, Steve.
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  Speaker 1: And it's been it's been awesome.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: You guys.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: Please come back and see me uh here at the channel.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, and Hi, everybody from my crowd that's over here,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: be sure like share, subscribe, show Jessicas some love, and
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: everybody just show come on over to my channels. I
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: got all kinds of stuff to show you.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, y'all go over to Steve's right now, and go
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: subscribe to all three of his YouTube channels and go
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: hit him up and buy his books too, Okay. And
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: it's wonderful information we're getting out here tonight, and I
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: hope everybody enjoyed it. I hope you guys all learn something.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: Please stay safe out there, okay, everybody stay safe. Yeah,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: don't let don't end up on Steve's show, Okay. But
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: otherwise you'll have a great night, Steve, have a great night.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: I'll see you again soon, all right. Thanks y'all. See you.
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  Speaker 1: Tas.