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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Favorites, the podcast from the Value and
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  Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I'm Shad Moment, Chief Content Officer of the
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  Speaker 1: Action Network. NBA playoffs are about to begin. I love
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  Speaker 1: this time of year. It is going to be two
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  Speaker 1: straight months of high intensity, defensive focused basketball with the
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  Speaker 1: greatest athletes in the world showing it off. Later on
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  Speaker 1: in the show, our friend Colin Cowherd, he was with
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  Speaker 1: us last week. He's back again this week to talk
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  Speaker 1: all things n B a variety of topics, along with
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  Speaker 1: me and my co host Might BFF, my companion Mi
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  Speaker 1: Compadre Professional Better Simon Hunter. Hello, saw Amen. Yes, great
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  Speaker 1: time to be talking to NBA because my team, the Sixers,
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  Speaker 1: are one of the best teams in the East. So
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  Speaker 1: you know how exit I am for this season. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of legacy defining moments on the line
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  Speaker 1: for the Sixers. What's so interesting about the Sixers and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure kind will have a take about this. What's
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  Speaker 1: so interesting about the Sixers is everyone celebrated the idea
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  Speaker 1: of the process and Sam Hanky breaking this team down,
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  Speaker 1: multiple years of tanking to get Joe l embiid, to
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  Speaker 1: get Nerland's Noel, to get Ben Simmons right, and what's
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  Speaker 1: that for? And oka for right? All these years of
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  Speaker 1: taking to get a team that he was building in
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  Speaker 1: the image of analytics right, all of a sudden he
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  Speaker 1: gets fired. The team starts to develop around all the
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  Speaker 1: players that he loved and he draft did. It's a
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  Speaker 1: kind of a true success story. And then what's interesting
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  Speaker 1: even after that is they bring in Darryl Maury, who's
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  Speaker 1: the father of analytics in the NBA, and he's busting
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  Speaker 1: the team up and going in a completely different direction
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  Speaker 1: and going all in on a guy in James Harden
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  Speaker 1: who isn't the player that was sort of the analytics
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  Speaker 1: superstar when Maury had him in Houston. So the legacy
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  Speaker 1: of this team is really about the process. But what
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  Speaker 1: is going to define whether or not anything was successful
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  Speaker 1: is going to be the connection between two superstars, which
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  Speaker 1: is what it always is in the NBA. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: like you're on either side. You really wanted to fail,
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  Speaker 1: you wanted to succeed, And I feel like we can
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  Speaker 1: all agree that it did succeed. Like his whole little
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  Speaker 1: plan of the NBA is just about having the superstar.
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  Speaker 1: I want as many rounds and like clips and the
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  Speaker 1: gun to shoot many times, like in the first round,
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  Speaker 1: second round, just try to hit these guys. Little did
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  Speaker 1: we know we're gonna get a guy that foot issues
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  Speaker 1: and back problems. Third pick overall and Embiid. I think
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  Speaker 1: he played fifty games in the first three years. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. It's like you just take
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  Speaker 1: these high risks where there's sure things, and the Marquelle Folts,
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  Speaker 1: the Ben Simmons, I've seen all of them fall by
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  Speaker 1: their waistide. So it's been um As a fan, it's
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  Speaker 1: been interesting where it's like I remember those days of
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  Speaker 1: just horrible basketball, Like literally they're playing G League guys
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  Speaker 1: as are starting five, like guys that would not be
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  Speaker 1: in the league without the sixers existing, like not even
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  Speaker 1: bench guys. And to me, it's like, yeah, we've kind
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  Speaker 1: of busted in every playoff thing. But as a basketball fan,
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of what I like. It's like we
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  Speaker 1: have a superstar. We're always in contention, we're always in
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  Speaker 1: the news because we have the players that that to me,
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  Speaker 1: is what it's all about, where you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be like the Knicks. The Knicks never have any real superstars.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they have Porzingis for a cup of coffee
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  Speaker 1: there and Mellow, But a lot of these teams they
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  Speaker 1: just spin their tires at that five six seed where
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  Speaker 1: they want to be the top seed or the worst
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  Speaker 1: teaming basketball. To me, that's what I think he was
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  Speaker 1: all about. So now we'll find out, right, we'll find
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  Speaker 1: out once and for all which way works. Is it
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  Speaker 1: a superstar tandem that can do it. It's a very
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  Speaker 1: interesting time. You look at the top of the East,
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  Speaker 1: the Bucks, the Heat who as the season wound down,
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  Speaker 1: had that incredible clip of Houdonis Haslem and Jimmy Butler
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  Speaker 1: and Eric Spoelstra going after each other. It's already hard
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  Speaker 1: to remember. That was just phenomenal. You don't see that
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  Speaker 1: in the NBA. And you got the Sixers like that's
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  Speaker 1: clearly the cream of the crop. And then like in
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  Speaker 1: that next year, the Celtics are a team right that
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  Speaker 1: could bust through. The Bulls have probably proven that they're
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  Speaker 1: not quite ready. They needed their full compliment. Uh, they
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  Speaker 1: had too many injuries this year to really compete, So
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  Speaker 1: this is a good shot for the Sixers. My only
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  Speaker 1: fear as a fan is the nets Like Kyrie, we
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  Speaker 1: all know he's gonna be back full steam the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: To me, of all the teams that we played, they
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  Speaker 1: seem like they lllegit hate they hate us. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know it's just because we're getting Ben in his back
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  Speaker 1: or what, but I've watched him play a couple of
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  Speaker 1: games down. The effort they put against the six Series
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  Speaker 1: compared to these other teams they play, it was definitely
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  Speaker 1: alarm and k D is awesome because every single day
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  Speaker 1: it just seems like there's another clip on social media
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  Speaker 1: of him trash tracking fans. Why he's playing it's honestly
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  Speaker 1: Kadi against the world. Yeah, no, he's leaning into it
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  Speaker 1: because for a while there he was going through I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of us go through in life where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, why don't these people like me? People have
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  Speaker 1: liked my whole life. Why does everyone hate me when
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  Speaker 1: they would have done exactly what I did, which is
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  Speaker 1: go to Golden State. And I love the Katie of
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  Speaker 1: embracing the hate like he does not care. He'll tell
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  Speaker 1: people how it is. I mean, one of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: stories ever was he went on a date with a
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  Speaker 1: girl and she asked him who the other girl was
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  Speaker 1: behind him, and he said, that's my other day in
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  Speaker 1: case this day doesn't work out. I feel like that
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  Speaker 1: is Kadi to the max. That's his like attitude on everything.
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  Speaker 1: So I love Katie. I've never heard that story. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's true story. So I did like a right, I
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  Speaker 1: could tell all book about Katie and Kyrie that first
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  Speaker 1: year for the Nuts and it's it's in there. It's
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  Speaker 1: a great story about him bringing a girl with him
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  Speaker 1: on a date to a date. See, that's so interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Kobe went through the same thing, right. Kobe came in
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  Speaker 1: the league and as a teenager and was trying to
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  Speaker 1: be marketed as you know, this all American story and
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  Speaker 1: this good looking guy and he's going to the problem
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  Speaker 1: with Brandy and then he's prosecuted for rape. When he
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  Speaker 1: comes out of that, the entire demeanor has changed. It's
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  Speaker 1: almost like that moment freed him from trying to be
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  Speaker 1: anything he wasn't. For the rest of his career, he
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  Speaker 1: was a super aggressive, hyper competitive, able to be mean
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  Speaker 1: to anybody he wanted to. And k D has sort
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  Speaker 1: of had a transition from being someone who people wanted
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  Speaker 1: to have this very specific demeanor into just being a
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  Speaker 1: ruthless killer. Again, when you're just talking about it, made
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  Speaker 1: me think of a Kobe. I know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people have said it, but it was just a clip
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  Speaker 1: that I think. Darren Rebel is the one always retweets it.
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  Speaker 1: But people were asking about him being too hard his teammates,
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  Speaker 1: and he said the classic line of if they mind,
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  Speaker 1: they don't matter, and if they matter, they don't mind.
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  Speaker 1: And that was like Kobe's mentality of the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's like you were there with it, either burning the
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  Speaker 1: ships with me or you're taking the ships back. So
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  Speaker 1: I always will love that about Kobe. What one of
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  Speaker 1: the questions we're gonna ask Calhard, you know, because he's
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  Speaker 1: a really rich guy. And if he had five hundred
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  Speaker 1: million dollars five million dollars to invest, would he invested
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  Speaker 1: in mutual funds, would he invest it in crypto and
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  Speaker 1: f t s sort of future digital currency type products,
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  Speaker 1: or would he invested in a team. And if in
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  Speaker 1: a team, which one? If he wants to realize the
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  Speaker 1: most gain on that five hundred million dollars over say
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  Speaker 1: the next ten to fifteen years would one What would
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  Speaker 1: your answer be, I'm too smart for this question, because
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  Speaker 1: immediately went like real nerdy on it. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'd buy all the graph flight, all the nicola I
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  Speaker 1: could get my hands on, because that's the future, right,
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  Speaker 1: Everything's gonna be these batteries. Like that's if you watch
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  Speaker 1: the news, you watch any network talking about finance, it's
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  Speaker 1: all about electric all about the batteries and how that's
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  Speaker 1: the future of everything. So to me, if you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to make easy, quick money, it's it's always about natural resources.
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  Speaker 1: I just like natural resources. To me, it's very simple
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  Speaker 1: and it's basic, and some stupid like me can follow
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  Speaker 1: stuff like the demand for wood that I know what
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  Speaker 1: was gonna go up. No, but I knew there's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a high demand when they started building homes again
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  Speaker 1: after pandemic ended. So that's one of the things where
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  Speaker 1: if I had I just I just invest into natural resources.
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  Speaker 1: To me, that's always the best return because they always
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  Speaker 1: rise and fall with whatever the need is, and right
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  Speaker 1: now the highest need in America it's surprisingly nickel, graph flight,
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  Speaker 1: all these things that we don't really mind. If people
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  Speaker 1: don't really know this, we're a huge export of these
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  Speaker 1: these things America. Like, that's a big problem. So the
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  Speaker 1: next couple of years, weep were gonna see it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: get very different where they're gonna start upping up our
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  Speaker 1: natural resources ability just because we don't want to be
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  Speaker 1: dependent on Russia, we don't want to be dependent on China,
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  Speaker 1: we don't be attending on uh, Taiwan. So that's one
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  Speaker 1: of those things people need to start thinking about when
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  Speaker 1: you're investing natural resources. Did you basically just say that
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  Speaker 1: you made a huge purchase of companies that are would
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  Speaker 1: producers and that paid off for you already? Uh, not
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  Speaker 1: so much this year, but last year, Yeah, like say,
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  Speaker 1: I invested heavily into wood companies. Uh, summer of it
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  Speaker 1: was up like by that December, and it kept going
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  Speaker 1: up through last year. It's only started to drop now
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  Speaker 1: just because the housing markets coming down. But now that's again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a smart person. I just watched a lot
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  Speaker 1: don't you share this with me? I don't understand. I
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  Speaker 1: They went from being worth what it was at fifth
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  Speaker 1: You know this for a fact. Oh you might have
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  Speaker 1: said that. Yeah, that's true. P K, of course is
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  Speaker 1: Patrick King. We look at me like I was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: You're just like, NA, we don't know about that company.
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  Speaker 1: We dude, I know the score. I'm saying. You guys
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  Speaker 1: are like, I don't know about investing them them. All right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: listen if you want to give me any any tips.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I just gave you guys great ones, graph
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  Speaker 1: Mr Colin Calherd. He joined us previously. He's come back again.
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  Speaker 1: He liked it that much. Colin Simon and I had
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  Speaker 1: been discussing before you came on a lot of NBA topics.
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  Speaker 1: Things I listened to, you know, I listened to your
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  Speaker 1: radio show. Love your radio show. Consistent themes I hear
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: you talk out on the radio show. John Moran, his ceiling,
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: the ability to become a superstar playing in Memphis, Russell
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  Speaker 1: rest Westbrook and his legacy. But the thing that I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about right now as we are heading
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  Speaker 1: into the playoffs, Harden and n b How far can
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  Speaker 1: the duo like this go when you're looking at them
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  Speaker 1: versus the Nets, versus the Bucks, versus what's happening in
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  Speaker 1: the West. Well, I think the move by the Mayor
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  Speaker 1: of New York to lift certain mandates is actually significant
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  Speaker 1: because historically you need two great closures in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I don't buy Miami. Jimmy Butler is a
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  Speaker 1: great athlete. He plays with great passion. He's not a closer.
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  Speaker 1: He's just a great athlete. In February and March he
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  Speaker 1: shot ten from three UM. He's under forty in the
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  Speaker 1: fourth quarter since the trading deadline, so Bama to Bayou.
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  Speaker 1: He can't get his own shot. He's an athlete. They
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  Speaker 1: don't have any closers now because of the mandates lifted
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  Speaker 1: by the Mayor of New York. I get Kyrie and
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  Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, arguably the best small closer and big closure sport.
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  Speaker 1: I don't love their team. I don't love their chemistry.
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  Speaker 1: We all know how the playoffs were. Closers win, so
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  Speaker 1: ambat and hardened. I get a perimeter closer and maybe
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  Speaker 1: the best big closer in the sport. They're good. I
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  Speaker 1: have my questions about Boston. Tatums a closer. Jalen Brown's
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  Speaker 1: an athlete, He's a score, He's not a closer. So
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  Speaker 1: last year is a great example of we thought Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 1: we really liked all of us, liked them for about
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  Speaker 1: three years, and we kept being disappointed. What happened? Oh
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  Speaker 1: j honest in the finals hit fifteen and seventeen free throws.
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  Speaker 1: He became a closer, and Middleton had a forty point game.
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  Speaker 1: So Chris and Janice both elevated two more consistent closers.
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  Speaker 1: They won the title. Um, I think Miami and Boston
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  Speaker 1: are sucker bets. Listen, I've seen this Boston story, Jason
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  Speaker 1: Jalen and Marcus Spark, Marcus Marr, I've seen it. It
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  Speaker 1: has a ceiling because as good as Jayson Tatum is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you start doubling him, you trap him, get
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  Speaker 1: the ball out of his hands. They don't have a
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  Speaker 1: consistent other guy. So I think they're red hot. People
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  Speaker 1: fall in love with him. I see a total ceiling. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and the same with Miami. I just don't buy him
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  Speaker 1: at all. I think Butler is alive wire. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's inconsistent with a ball late Um. People confuse athlete
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  Speaker 1: for closer. John Wall was a great athlete, Derrick Rose
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  Speaker 1: was a great athlete. Westbrook was a great athlete. Never
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  Speaker 1: trust him late shot clock, quarter game with a shot.
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  Speaker 1: So you know that's my takeaway. Harden and m bid
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  Speaker 1: just fine. I still think was if they didn't give
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  Speaker 1: up Seth Curry and the deal, I'd like him way more.
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  Speaker 1: I think they need one more. I don't trust Tobias
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  Speaker 1: Harris big spot. I think Curry was a nice rotational piece,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a Hattie Mills ability to just hit a shot. Um.
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  Speaker 1: But I think they're good. I think we have a
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  Speaker 1: history veteran playoff coach, dominant big guard that can score.
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  Speaker 1: That's called the Lakers dynasty. I mean that we've seen that,
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  Speaker 1: like right, like Doc and be Hardened, like we've seen
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  Speaker 1: this for generations. They're gonna win a playoff series. I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you what the wild card is though with that
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: team is Maxie. That to me, that will be the
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: reason they'll get the championship, if he can step up
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: and be the big three like people keep proclaiming. That
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: to me is the difference because I've seen hard and
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Wilt honestly, like I mean all year, I've seen like
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: all the players that I could not one of the Sixers,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: it was him, and now I like them, Like I
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: like him on the Sixers and I like watch him
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: on the Sixers. I think it's well with that team.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's about Maxie, like if Maxie can become again.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: He's twenty one years old. But we see flashes, like
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: we just we talked about Jah. You see these flash
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: of these kids, these young kids where you can be like,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: oh my god, I have ever seen that before. And
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I told Chad with Max, I've never seen a player
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: for the six years like him since a I like
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: think about how long ago that was and now other
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: people are seeing it. We saw him put up what
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: was it, thirty points against the heat by himself when
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the when the two big guys sat out. So yeah,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Maxie he might be getting that that reaching that level
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, they're trying, they're struggling to figure out
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: how to use Tobias Harris um. He's not a great
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: shot maker. He's a really nice athlete. He should be
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a four on a championship team. So he maybe if
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Max he's your three, Tobias is your four. That's a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: real team. Um, yeah, Max, he's a fascinating player. Like
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I didn't know how Heat and Harden would work, but
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: he is so twitchy and so active, and you know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Harden has a weird style where he can be hard
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to play off of MAXI kind of works with Harden
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: much quicker than I thought, Like Spencer, Dinwiddie and Luca.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: It works much faster than I thought. You mentioned, Uh,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Derrick Rose mentioned Russell Westbrook. So here's a question. I
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: was asked the other day by my fifteen year old
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: son and his friends who are all serious, who pets
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: if you could have prime Westbrook or prime Derrick Rose,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Who do you take? Simon? You can answer, and Colin
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: will answer. Then I will answer Derek without thinking about it.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Derek was a better shooter, a better athlete, and a
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: better teammate. Like I'll never forget that clip of the
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Austar game where Lebron James is doing them look at
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Me kind of dance and Derrick Rows is like looking
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: at him like this, what is this dude doing? Like
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I just I always love Derrick Rows. So I think
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: we're on the same page. If you never got hurt,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: He's arguably one of the best players ever to play.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: He also has which Westbrook has never had. He's got
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: good self awareness, Like he went to New York and
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: own the fact that, man, my game's changed, it's not
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: his vertical and was a really nice contributor to them Westbrook.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Still he still lives in this weird parallel universe where
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: he sees himself as a top ten player in the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: league and like, dude, it's over. Like Mellow struggled with
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: that and then came to terms, Mello has been good
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: for the Lakers off the bench. Mellow came to terms
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: with I'm a bench guy. Um. Derrick Rose knew what
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: he was and what he wasn't. His issue was he
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: had a weird rotation on his jumper. He just he
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: didn't it just didn't have a great jump shot like
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: listen man, he had all the other tools. He just did.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: He wasn't a great pure shooter. Wall in Westbrook aren't either.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: They think they are. Like Rose knew he wasn't. He
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: would rather score at the hoop. And because he's thin,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: not frail, but thin, you get beat up. So like
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I always liked Derrick Rose. I just he had a
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: flawed jumper and that's Okay, he just did. But he
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: was also like Derrick Rose in that m VP season,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: did everything that Russell Westbrook has never been able to do,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: got his teammates involved, made everybody better, took that team
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: on his back to the conference finals. Like the Westbrook conversation,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I always find it fascinating. You had a segment about
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: a month ago talking about chemistry, and to me, like
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: what going back to Embid and Harden, what they did
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: almost instantly was have chemistry that they needed one game
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to prove it. And it's something that Westbrook and Lebron
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: have not been able to figure out in close to
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: seventy games. Now, now Westbrook is um You know, people
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: forget this about Westbrook. U c l A didn't know
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: what to do with him. They didn't know what to
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: do with them. They made him a two guard. He
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: couldn't shoot. He was seeing overwhelmingly as a defensive asset
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: at U c l A. They didn't And then you
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: know he went to Oklahoma City and go look at
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: his early numbers. They weren't quite sure what to do
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: with him. So he was just so profoundly hyper athletic
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: that basketball coaches fall in love with that he was
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: so bring me. I just I never bought into it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Just John Wall Like, dudes, people can't keep up with you.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Slow down. You know, everybody loved Westbrook's assists. Nobody's ever
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: thought he's a great passer. He just had the ball
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: so damn much like Stephon Marbury nine assists. Did you
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: ever in your life say, oh, he's like magic, he's
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: a magician? Like I think Kobe Bryant was actually a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: really clever passer, but he usually was the best outside
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: of shack. He was the best shooting option, so why
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: pass it? But like Westbrook averages more career assist than Kobe,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: He's terrible pastor with bad hands. He can't catch well
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: with Westbrook. Also, what's interesting that there was a transition
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: where for a while, his motor and his competitiveness was
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: something that everybody loved about him. And I'm trying to
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: figure out when did it switch? When did sort of
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: when when he just became not as effective as a
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: player that people all sadden were turned off by the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: same things that everybody loved. Well, I think when Kevin
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Durant left, I think the truth was unveiled. You know,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I think Tyreek Hill with Toua. You know you're gonna
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: watch that and go wow. I saw Tyreek with Mahomes,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I see Tyreek with ta Oh. All those people on
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the fence with Twa are gonna go oh yeah this
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: It doesn't They're not. They can't go deep as much.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: So I just think once Kadi left, the truth came out,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and that the truth is he is a ball usage,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: ball centric guard who's not efficient um is dared to shoot.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Most of his assists are simply off ball usage, not
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the brilliance of passing or some sort of court vision. Um.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: He just has the ball in his hands all the time. Now, Hardened,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: interestingly has pivoted and is actually a much better passer
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: than I think we gave him credit for initially. I
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: think when he went Brooklyn, I was like, he's kind
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: of effective at this, He got people involved, didn't get
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of credit for it. But I do think
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I do think Harden he has kind of pivoted to
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: a more um a fundamentally better distributor than he was
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: entering the league. At Arizona State and early in the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: league he was just a score. But I think he
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: has the ability. I think he does have some self awareness.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: He knows he's gonna high maintenance. Russell just doesn't get
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: that he is. But but Harden to me has evolved.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I think he has. I think he's become a better
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: team player that he gets credit for. If you're just
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: going to throw away this past season, like do you
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: look at Lebron is the greatest performer in modern playoffs?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: In modern NBA history, like two for us, he is
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: arguably the greatest. I know people are going all the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: time about it, but just going taking it away this
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: past season, just looking at the playoffs, do you think
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: he is the greatest modern performer? You know, it's always
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: been hard because Michael and Kobe had similar games sort
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: of magic and on. It's like trying to compare coconut
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: cream pie and brownies. Like they're both good, they're not
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: really the same thing. I mean, Michael was a score
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to a fault. I mean with ghost teammates. Lebron's already magic.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're seeing it this year. Lebron is like,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I wanna win the scoring title in my nineteenth year.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: The only player that's ever been as good as long
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: as Lebron is Kareem and in his twentieth year, he
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: average fourteen a game and looked like an old wheelbarrel
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: down the floor. Lebron decided this year team stinks, I'm
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: gonna score eighties. Hurt. I mean, he's had fifty point games,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: so Lebron not that he's been hide again. The most
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: valuable Lebron stat in his career, this is the one
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: that always jumps out to me. Lebron's junior year in
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: high school, he scored twenty six a game. His senior
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: year in high school he scored twenty seven. You and
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I know he could have gone from twenty six to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: fifty six. That told you everything about Lebron. It's never
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: been about scoring Lebron James High School twenty seven a game. Really, No,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: He's always been about getting people involved. So to me,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: he's he's magic. He's just a better athlete than Magic,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: who was always a poor defender. I always think the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: comparisons with Michael are virtually impossible. He's gonna win the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: direct the longevity stuff. Michael was also because Michael had
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: a brother and Michael had a strong father figure. Michael
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: was really um was not passive aggressive. Michael was very
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: confrontational and very physical and very combative. You know, Lebron
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: was raised primarily by his mom. He didn't have a brother.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: They're wrestling downstairs in the basement and and there there's
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: real value in that. Like I grew up with a sister,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: not a brother. So I'm a lover not a fighter.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: If you go to my high school, the kids that
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: were on the wrestling team and the tough guys they
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: all had brothers, are fought downstairs. They wrestled, they fought
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: over stuff. So Michael is a different personality, I mean
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: just genetically. He's much more physical, much tougher, much more aggressive.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: You know. Lebron I think is a little bit, a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: little more thoughtful, sometimes a little more get other people involved.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I think that's their personalities. And it sounds like I'm
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: trying to be a therapist here, but that stuff matters.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Like Lebron has really got Magic's personality. He really likes
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: to be collaborative with people, Like I know, guys in
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Lebron circle, he shares the ball, you know, businesses, his
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: production company, He'll he'll pass the ball and get others involved.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: You know, Michael's Michael's into Michael and you know, and
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: sometimes to a fault. Last question because I know you're
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: gonna sell the volume for I don't know, a billion dollars.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sell it. I just sat it last night.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sell it. No. I like it. I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: like control. I don't want to give up to some
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: hedge fund schmuck. I'm not selling the company. You know what,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I think you're gonna change your mind. I don't know.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I like my team. I don't want to see. Here's
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: what happens. You sell it and then some guy or
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: gal come in and they just run rough shot over
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: all my values and all our teamwork. What if they
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: don't listen. We sold out almost exactly a year ago,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and you go through a process, you find the right
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: partner who ultimately you know offers you fair value that
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you feel good about what your exit is going to be,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: but also who you feel is going to align with
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the direction that you want to go. If you want
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to keep buying it, and you do that, and if not,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you don't sell it. But someone's gonna put a big
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: number in front of you, you're gonna sell it, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be the case. Yeah, but there's more that
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: whole big number thing. I think there's an a lure.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: You know what, Chad, I've said this, chase good management,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: not money, because there's a sea of money out there.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of great management. Dude. I'm with you.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I am, I am the demon of everything you're. Simon
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: and I are not for sale. You'll take a check
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and across the street for a nail. Simon and I.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: You can't buy us because you're true Brits. That's the British,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: that's right, Simon and College double Brits. Here we grew up.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Our genetics are based in a pub, shifty food in
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a pub, A Northeastern guy with lobster sandwiches. Oh my god.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I am mid Western to my roots, to my core, Midwestern,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: solid salt of the earth. Don't give me your British pretense.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Here's my question. Though you've got half a billion dollars
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: now billion, half a billion, five hundred million. Are you
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: investing regular mutual fund? Are you investing in some kind
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: of crypto? Are you investing in a team? You have
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to think about it from the perspective of what do
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you think will give you the most return over the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: next ten years. Fifty million and an indexed fund a
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: combination of index funds twenty five million in cash four
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five million in team ownership, in which
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I have to probably buy a team. Um like an
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: MLS team. There's no value in being a minority owner
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: in professional sports. It's the worst investment in the world
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: because you can't pull the money out and you have
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: no control. So s million, you know, fifty million and
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: just the index funds cash on hand. But I would
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I would take probably eight percent. And now I couldn't
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: afford an NFL team, and I couldn't afford an NBA team,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: but I probably I would probably try to be a
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: majority investor in an NHL or MLS team. Both goodbyes.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I like the MLS more because I like soccer more.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I would say college. I go back across the pond,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Premier League. You can easily be an owner of our
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Premier League for four hundred million dollars. I'm telling you
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: they're like lead Unite. There's some rough places over there
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: you can get on the cheap. My wife asked me
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: this all the time. She goes, what do you make
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: of the stock market? You know, it's like thirty three,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: And I said, well, look at look at Ukraine and Russia.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: You know, look at some of the fundamental changes with
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: immigration in Europe, in the in the in the you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: know the issues they're going through. I said, the wealthiest
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: people in the world are putting money only in two places,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: our stock market and sports teams. You don't know what's
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: going to happen to governments, but you know the Red
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Sox will be in Boston in twenty five years. The
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: world's wealth has come to our stock market because of
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: too much international volatility, and the pro teams Liverpool is
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: going to be there forever. You don't know what's happening
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: in this world today. So to me, outside of some
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: cash and some funds, I try to be an investor
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: in an MLS team. Eight years ago, two teams I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: looked at. I talked to one of the owners in
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Minnesota and he said, if you're not a majority owner,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: it's a vanity play you'll never get. You know, you're
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: buying it for your kids in thirty years. And I
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: didn't think that was I don't understand like the stuff
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I invest in, like real estate, I gotta play with
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: the stock market I get to play with. I don't
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: want to invest in stuff if I can't play with it,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: and that's no fun, right. I'm with you, man. I
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: think that was a good answer, Colin. I like it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to find out what happens when you
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: turned down half a billion dollars for the Volume because
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: because because you know what you're you're just a guy
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: with British roots who just wants to continue to grow
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: your team. I get it. That's totally cool and we're listen.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: We're honored to be a part of it. Thank you
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: for coming on the Favorites podcast from the Volume podcast
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Network for Simon Hunter, for Colin Cowherd. From Matt Mitchell,
• 32:41
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• 32:51
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