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Bonus Episode – The Verdict is in · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after
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Speaker 2: the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Disgraceland, the after party. Welcome to the Disgraceland
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Speaker 1: bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the
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Speaker 1: after party. This is the show after the show, the
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Speaker 1: party after the party, the bridge to get you from
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Speaker 1: one full episode of Disgraceland to the other, the backyard
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Speaker 1: to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we
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Speaker 1: are talking about this week's full episode subject on Frank Sinatra.
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Speaker 2: A part two episode on Frank Sinatra.
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Speaker 1: Actually, we're rewinding back to Studio fifty four previewing our
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Speaker 1: upcoming episode on the Replacements, and get into your voicemails, text, dms,
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Speaker 1: thoughts on the books, we're reading, the music, we're listening
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Speaker 1: to the film and television we're watching, and and we
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Speaker 1: dig into the Diddy verdict follow and there's always a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of rosie. All right, disc goes, let's get
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Speaker 1: into it. It's not often that a jury in a
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Speaker 1: federal trial for racketeering answers our Disgraceland question of the
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Speaker 1: week for us, But.
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Speaker 2: Guys, That's what happened.
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Speaker 1: By now you know that Sean Ditty Combs was deemed
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Speaker 1: not guilty of racketeering conspiracy, and not guilty of sex
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Speaker 1: trafficking by force, fraud or coercion. He was found guilty
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Speaker 1: of two lesser counts of transportation to engage in prostitution. So,
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Speaker 1: in light of our recent Part two episode on Frank Sinatra,
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Speaker 1: we asked, was Frank Sinatra the most gangster musician of
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Speaker 1: all time?
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Speaker 2: And according to the jury in the Shawn.
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Speaker 1: Combs trial, Seawn Combs at least is not the most
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Speaker 1: gangster musician of all time, at least if we're going
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Speaker 1: by the book. Now, I don't know, just because as
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Speaker 1: he got off on the more serious charges, I cannot
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Speaker 1: unsee Sean ditty Comb's viciously beating on Cassie Ventura and yeah,
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Speaker 1: impossible to accept. But does that make him guilty of racketeering? No,
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Speaker 1: it does not. And as our recent Sinatra episode points out,
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Speaker 1: Frank got violent with the opposite sex too, at least
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Speaker 1: if we're to believe Peter Lawford's story about Frank putting
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Speaker 1: that woman through the plate glass window. Now, like most
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Speaker 1: of you guys, I read a ton of books. I
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Speaker 1: read more than I spend I spend more time reading,
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Speaker 1: I should say more than I spend my time on TikTok.
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Speaker 1: And I gotta say I'm pretty annoyed by the Sean
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Speaker 1: Didty Coombs corner of TikTok, the Jaguar Rights the wild
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Speaker 1: claims about a list celebrities involved in Ditty's worst crimes.
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Speaker 2: Of course, none of that came out in trial, and I'll.
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Speaker 1: Admit there was a moment there where I thought it might,
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Speaker 1: but I was never convinced, which is why in the
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Speaker 1: recent Diddy episode that we released, I based it entirely
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Speaker 1: on the indictments and the publicly available legal documents at
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Speaker 1: the time. Almost everything in that episode that came out
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Speaker 1: in the trial as I expected it would. Everything in
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Speaker 1: Our Disgrace and Part two Sean Combs episode. Most of
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Speaker 1: that was touched upon in the recent Shawn Combs trial.
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Speaker 1: And of course the trial gave us more details, stuff
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Speaker 1: that I didn't have proved, stuff that none of us
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Speaker 1: had beforehand.
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Speaker 2: But the trial did not give.
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Speaker 1: Us anything that the TikTok gossip merchants were pedaling like gospel. Okay,
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Speaker 1: the New Sinatra episode it's based on real information information
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Speaker 1: that I found in a recent book called Frank Sinatra
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Speaker 1: and the Mafia Murders. It was released just two years ago,
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Speaker 1: and it's based on sourcing from recently released Los Angeles
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Speaker 1: police intelligence files and a whole cachet of new FBI
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Speaker 1: documents that the authors got their hands on. Now, none
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Speaker 1: of it was taken from xis guys with YouTube channels
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Speaker 1: or TikTok account ounce And as you've likely heard by now,
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Speaker 1: Sinatra's involvement with the mafia is pretty damn disgraceful and
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Speaker 1: more gangster than what Sean Combs was officially found guilty of,
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Speaker 1: at least as far as the official record is concerned. Now,
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Speaker 1: speaking of records, switching gears here a little bit, Nirvana's
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Speaker 1: Unplugged it's getting its thirtieth anniversary remaster in re release,
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Speaker 1: and that reminded me that I bought this album on
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Speaker 1: vinyl when it came out. I still have it, and
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Speaker 1: I still listen to it, and I kind of want
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Speaker 1: to get this remaster and abe the quality to see
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Speaker 1: if there's actually any difference between the original that I
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Speaker 1: have and the new remaster. How's your record collection doing? Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me know. Let me know if you got anything
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Speaker 1: you're excited about recently. I'm super excited on the reading front.
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Speaker 1: I talked about this, I believe in the All Access
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Speaker 1: portion of last week's After Party episode. But I'm super
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Speaker 1: excited about the Chris Whitaker book that I'm reading, called
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Speaker 1: We Begin at the End. It reads, you know, I've
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Speaker 1: got Nebraska from Bruce Springsteen on my mind. It's been
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Speaker 1: a theme the last couple of weeks here, but it
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Speaker 1: reads like Nebraska sounds. The book is sparse, it's poetic,
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Speaker 1: it's thrilling. It's filled with characters that are barely hanging
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Speaker 1: onto a world is trying to shake shake them loose.
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Speaker 1: Nick Chris Whitaker has a new book out right now
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Speaker 1: that a ton of people are freaking out over. It's
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Speaker 1: number three on the New York Times bestseller list at
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Speaker 1: the moment, I believe I haven't read that yet, but
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Speaker 1: I'm psyched to that.
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Speaker 2: One's called All the Colors of the Dark.
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Speaker 1: You're probably going to hear about that, but when you do,
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Speaker 1: know that the book, his first book, called We Begin
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Speaker 1: at the End, is tremendous. This guy's a serious, serious author,
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Speaker 1: and I can't wait to read All this stuff, but
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Speaker 1: especially this new one, All the Colors of the Dark.
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Speaker 1: Also just finished reading Brian Wilson's autobiography called I Am
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Speaker 1: Brian Wilson and I'm here to say that I am
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Speaker 1: Jake Brennan, and this book broke my heart. I'm having
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Speaker 1: a hard time writing this Brian Wilson episode this week.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to find something original to say about a
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Speaker 1: guy who so much has already been said about. But
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Speaker 1: I think I found a unique way into Brian's incredible
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Speaker 1: story and I'll have this episode ready for you, guys shortly.
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to bring it to you. But before that,
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Speaker 1: coming up next to your feed, we've got our rewind
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Speaker 1: into our Studio fifty four episode. Of course, lots of sex,
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Speaker 1: lots of drugs, dead dude trapped in the walls, Federal
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Speaker 1: agents crashing the whole party. It's a whole thing, man.
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Speaker 1: That's coming up next to your feed right after the
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Speaker 1: bonus episode. Then after that next Tuesday, we're bringing you
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Speaker 1: our episode on the Replacements, a punk rock, rock and
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Speaker 1: roll cautionary tale of self destruction if there ever was one. Okay,
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Speaker 1: when you're listening to this Replacements episode, guys, I want
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Speaker 1: you to be thinking about which band or artist never
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Speaker 1: made it big but should have. Not that the Replacements
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Speaker 1: weren't big. They're legends in their own right. But you
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Speaker 1: gotta understand, people who were around then expected the Replacements
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Speaker 1: to be Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. Okay, to be
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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties version of the Rolling Stones. Okay, that
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Speaker 1: didn't happen. They weren't as big as most believe they
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Speaker 1: should have been. And we all know bands like this.
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Speaker 1: We all have even friends who were in bands who
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Speaker 1: were great bands, great musicians, that never got the de
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Speaker 1: that they deserve. So let me know it. Are the
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Speaker 1: Replacements the best example of that? Or are there other bands,
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Speaker 1: perhaps other artists that we should know about that You
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Speaker 1: might want to turn on other Disgraceland listeners, the other discos,
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Speaker 1: onto these artists, onto these bands that are more unknown
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Speaker 1: that never really broke through that should have. Okay, call
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Speaker 1: us six one seven nine was six six sixty three
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Speaker 1: eight dm us at Disgrace lam Pod and your answers
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Speaker 1: might land in next week's after party.
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Speaker 2: That's it from my world this week. Okay.
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Speaker 1: I could have spent, of course, an hour at least
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Speaker 1: talking about Seawan Colmbs.
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Speaker 2: I've been on.
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Speaker 1: I've been doing radio interviews all day across the country.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you're driving around Wichitak, Kansas, Chicago, Detroit.
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Speaker 2: Those are the ones I've done so far today, and
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Speaker 2: you might hear me. I don't know. We'll see. Got
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Speaker 2: more lined up for tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: But right now, I got your voicemails, your texts, and
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Speaker 1: your dms lined up right on the other side of
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Speaker 1: this brick.
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Speaker 2: All right, we are back. Apple podcast listeners. You know
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Speaker 2: the drill.
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Speaker 1: Turn on auto downloads. Okay, turn on your auto downloads
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Speaker 1: and your Apple Podcasts app. That way, you don't miss
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Speaker 1: any of our Disgraceline episodes. Okay, six one, seven, nine
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Speaker 1: oh six sixty six three eight. You know where I'm
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Speaker 1: atam in the phone booth. That's one across the hall.
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Speaker 1: I'm hanging on the telephone. You want to send me
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Speaker 1: a voicemail, You want to send me a text? Hit
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Speaker 1: me up voicemail And this week's question of the week
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Speaker 1: in relation to Frank Sinatra, who's the most gangster musician
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Speaker 1: of all time?
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Speaker 2: Karen Reid?
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Speaker 1: Karen Reid writes in Hey Jake, Karen Reid from the
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Speaker 1: two eight one sugar Land Texas. Not a Karen and
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Speaker 1: not that Karen Reid. I'm responding to your question of
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Speaker 1: the week. Frank Sinatra is definitely the most gangster actor
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Speaker 1: celebrity musician. I'm re listening to the Frank Sinatra episodes
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Speaker 1: right now. When you listen, I mean really listen. You
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Speaker 1: need a stringboard to connect all the characters, historical places, events, times,
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Speaker 1: and romantic liaisons.
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Speaker 2: You got me started down so.
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Speaker 1: Many rabbit holes with the new episode two Judas Campbell, Exner,
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Speaker 1: Laura Gooding aka Dorothylima, the kal Neva Casino Cia conspiracies,
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Speaker 1: and I need to know more. She goes on to say,
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Speaker 1: not having your podcast on my commute or anytime would
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Speaker 1: be a disgrace.
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Speaker 2: PS.
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Speaker 1: Diddy is a gangst, a less class unfortunately charismatic for
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Speaker 1: those he befriended and brought into his web of perversion,
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Speaker 1: ruthless and sexual depravity. I hope he gets what's coming.
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Speaker 1: If he doesn't, that's as grace. Happy fourth to you
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Speaker 1: with the team at Double Elves. Happy happy fourth of
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Speaker 1: July to you as well, Karen Reid. Happy to hear
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Speaker 1: you beat the route. I'm just kidding. I know nothing
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Speaker 1: about the Karen Reid case and I know you're not
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Speaker 1: the real Karen Reid. We had a pretty extensive conversation
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Speaker 1: last week about great Singer Songwriter's Greatest singer songwriter as
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Speaker 1: all time?
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Speaker 2: If you remember, we went through.
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Speaker 1: That list and I heard from a lot of you,
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Speaker 1: and there were some there were some serious singer songwriters
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Speaker 1: who were left off of that list. You guys have
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Speaker 1: reminded me of a ton seven to seven writes and Hey, Jake.
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Speaker 1: Two singer songwriter albums that would definitely be on my
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Speaker 1: list are Graham Parsons Grievous Angel and Tom Waits His
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Speaker 1: Frank's Wild Years. Love the Show, So keep doing what
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Speaker 1: you do.
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Speaker 3: Eric.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting to hear you put Grievous Angel ahead of GP.
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Speaker 1: They're both fantastic. I think GP is a smidge better
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Speaker 1: and really hard for me to pick a favorite Tom
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Speaker 1: Waits album. I don't know if I did, though, I
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Speaker 1: don't know that I love Frank's. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: that would be it. Maybe Swordfish Trombone I love Bone
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Speaker 1: Machine too, even though later kind of messed up that
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Speaker 1: both those artists weren't on the list. Leonard Cohen was
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Speaker 1: also left off the list. Someone else pointed out Billy
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Speaker 1: Joel Elton John three h two rights in. Warren Zevon
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Speaker 1: and John Prine are for sure among the best singer
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Speaker 1: songwriters of all time, but The Wind is a far
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Speaker 1: better album than Zevon's self titled second album. He does
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Speaker 1: a haunting cover of Knocking on Heaven's Store as he is,
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Speaker 1: in fact dying well, I need to hear that. That's
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Speaker 1: gonna make me sad though. Four one five rights in, Hey,
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Speaker 1: Joni Mitchell, how could she be left off the list?
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Speaker 1: It's a really good, really good point. That's Glenn in
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Speaker 1: the four one five, six one seven rights in. Favorite
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Speaker 1: singer songwriter album is Living with Ghosts by Patty Griffin.
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Speaker 2: That's a bold statement. Six one seven.
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Speaker 1: I would expect nothing less from somebody back in my
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Speaker 1: hometown seven two four, Hey, Jake, just listen to your
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Speaker 1: after party episode. You asked about great singer songwriters. I
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Speaker 1: gotta say my favorites that you didn't mention were Gordon
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Speaker 1: Lightfoot and Marty Robbins, and both can be seen as
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Speaker 1: some of the most successful, especially for the genre. Marty Robbins,
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Speaker 1: I get Oh Devil Woman. Gordon Lightfoot on the other hand.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. I get the love for
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Speaker 2: Gordon Lightfoot not one of my faves. Maybe it should be.
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Speaker 1: I love Beck's Sea Change, and people often say that
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Speaker 1: Sea Change by Beck is a Gordon Lightfoot ripoff. I
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Speaker 1: think it's more of a Serge Gainsburger ripoff.
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Speaker 2: But I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Get back at me seven two four let me know
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Speaker 1: where to start with Gordon Lightfoot. God, these these messages
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Speaker 1: on the singer songwriter stuff are quite pretty endless.
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Speaker 2: Here five four to Roh writes and brings up.
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Speaker 1: Steve Earle five four oh Steven in the five four
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Speaker 1: oh Steve row one of the all time greats.
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Speaker 3: Have fun.
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Speaker 1: I have a couple funny stories about Steve rol I've
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Speaker 1: probably shared him with you guys before.
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Speaker 2: I won't. I won't belabor it.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's check out this voicemail here again, I'm
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Speaker 1: the same subject. Here's the four one four.
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Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, this is right.
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Speaker 5: I am calling to respond to your after show the
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Speaker 5: other night, actually last night, and you were talking about
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Speaker 5: singer songwriters and I did not understand why no one
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Speaker 5: mentions Tom Waits as an incredible singer songwriter. He is
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Speaker 5: beyond amazing and also Nick Cave, I know that he
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Speaker 5: sometimes writes with his band, but I believe that he
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Speaker 5: writes a lot of stuff himself. So I was hoping
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Speaker 5: that maybe you guys could think about doing episodes on
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Speaker 5: them that would be amazing.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and oh.
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Speaker 5: Oh damn, there was another thing that I thought of.
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Speaker 4: But I'm gonna have to tell you that.
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Speaker 3: All right, you take care, All.
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Speaker 1: Right, Ram calls back when you remember what you wanted
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Speaker 1: to say. I just talked about Tom Waits, and you know,
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Speaker 1: I can add a little bit here. When I was
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Speaker 1: just starting out as an adult in making music, if
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Speaker 1: you asked me which artist's career what I want to replicate?
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Speaker 2: What if the answer would have been Tom Waits? For sure?
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Speaker 1: Of course, I wasn't doing anything close to approaching the
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Speaker 1: greatness that Tom Waits was doing, nor was I really
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Speaker 1: trying that hard. Nick Cave tremendous as well. This is
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Speaker 1: really hard. There's no way you can come up with
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Speaker 1: ten a list of ten of the greatest singer songwriters.
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Speaker 1: There's just there's too many you have to leave off.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna leave Nick Cave off that list.
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Speaker 2: PJ. Harvey, PJ. Harvey, Leonard Cohen, No, you can't.
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Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, this is Clint from the seven to two
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Speaker 4: to four. Try out Jim Carroll Catholic Boy for a
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Speaker 4: singer songwriter album. I think he wrote most of the
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Speaker 4: songs on that album, and the production and everything on
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Speaker 4: its killer. It's just a good one from like the
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Speaker 4: late seventies. Bro, keep it up, you do a good job.
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Speaker 4: Thanks man, Bye Clinton.
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Speaker 2: The seven two four. I actually don't know that record
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Speaker 2: that well.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard I think that's the one that
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Speaker 1: has people who died and whatever the other song single
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Speaker 1: was that got some tractions. I know those tunes of course,
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Speaker 1: even though I can't think of the other one's name
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Speaker 1: right now, But I don't know that as an album.
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Speaker 1: So great recommendation, and I'm pumped to be reminded to
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Speaker 1: check out Jim Carroll. Jim Carroll should be an episode
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Speaker 1: of Disgraceland. I've never seen the Basketball Diaries, by the way,
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Speaker 1: have you, guys?
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Speaker 2: I have not? Six one seven nine oh six six
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Speaker 2: six three eight.
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Speaker 1: You want to hit me up, leave voicemail or text
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Speaker 1: at Disgraceland pod on Instagram, TikTok x, and Facebook if
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Speaker 1: you want to get in touch with me over there.
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Speaker 2: Kelly Van Violet sibling.
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Speaker 1: I believe I'm pronouncing that correctly, but I'm probably not
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Speaker 1: right saying, hey, I just happened to listen to the podcast,
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Speaker 1: your podcast for the Beach Boys within the last two
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Speaker 1: days on Disgraceland. I finished it up this morning on
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Speaker 1: way to work, and I can tell you what the
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Speaker 1: Beach Boys meant to me growing up as somebody whose
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Speaker 1: mother grew up in the sixties, somebody who was heavily
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Speaker 1: influenced on this music. I am deeply saddened to hear
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Speaker 1: the news about Brian Wilson. Thank you for sharing your stuff.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: I gotta say here, Kelly and everybody else when the
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Speaker 1: news about Brian Wilson's death, you know, it didn't really
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Speaker 1: affect me one way or another. Old rock stars die
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Speaker 1: all the time. Oftentimes rock stars die and you can
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Speaker 1: immediately feel the hole, and we felt that. I felt
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Speaker 1: that with other people. I didn't feel it myself. But
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Speaker 1: now that I've been in this research and writing for
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Speaker 1: the last week and a half on Brian Wilson, I
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Speaker 1: do feel a tremendous amount of sadness this guy and
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Speaker 1: I knew all this before, but when you get into
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Speaker 1: his head, especially in the autobiography. He was not only
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Speaker 1: a genius, not only a hugely important cultural figure in
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Speaker 1: our culture, he was also a man who was largely
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Speaker 1: a child. And I don't mean that in a negative way.
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Speaker 1: I mean that in kind of the best way, and
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Speaker 1: his mental illness certainly had something to do with that.
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Speaker 2: He was taken advantage of.
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Speaker 1: He God, it's really rough because there's so much innocence
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Speaker 1: in his songs, Innocence and beauty. And I've listened to
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Speaker 1: that sort of nineties late or early nineties. I believe
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Speaker 1: think it's nineteen ninety one, the Love and Mercy track
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Speaker 1: that album. But that's so the song Love and Mercy,
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Speaker 1: I should say, I don't think that's the any of
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Speaker 1: the album With the song Love and Mercy. I've it's
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Speaker 1: just been on repeat the last few days, and it's
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Speaker 1: it's wrecked me. It's so simple, it's so beautiful. It's
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Speaker 1: such a fantastic representation I think of who Brian Wilson
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Speaker 1: was as a person, as a character, and I'm a
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Speaker 1: bit wrecked by it. And I'm looking forward for all
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Speaker 1: of you, you, especially Kelly, hearing this Brian Wilson episode.
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Speaker 1: So thanks for writing, you guys want to hit me
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Speaker 1: up at Disgrace Slam pod on the socials, go for it.
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Speaker 1: Wicked Wanda writes, in in relation to Sean Ditty Combs,
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Speaker 1: he is guilty, like Ojy, Wicked Wanda and everybody else,
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Speaker 1: I feel your pain, you know, I just circle them
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Speaker 1: back to the diddy thing here. I have this one thought,
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Speaker 1: and I've been talking about this all day. We can't
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Speaker 1: unsee what Sean Combs did to Cassie Ventura, but he
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Speaker 1: was on trial for that, and I do think he's
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Speaker 1: guilty of things if they weren't proven. Two things can
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Speaker 1: be true at once. I can't exactly say what those
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Speaker 1: things are.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I don't think really anyone truly knows who's on the
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Speaker 1: outside like we are. But I think it's also possible
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Speaker 1: that the government overreached here, and that's why we ended
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Speaker 1: up where we ended up.
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Speaker 2: Shocking.
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Speaker 1: I don't think the guy's gonna do any time. I
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Speaker 1: mean he'll do sometime, but not real time. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're oj komp it might be entirely accurate. Wicked Wanda,
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Speaker 1: thanks for checking in. All right, let's switch gears here.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into our little sports section of the sow
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Speaker 1: this this is this is a sixty second sports rant
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Speaker 1: and under thirty seconds or whatever we're calling this segment
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Speaker 1: for the discos who are also sports geeks like me.
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Speaker 1: All right, Mack, give me the buzzer, give you the
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Speaker 1: little buzzer beater thing me. All right, listen, Sports world
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Speaker 1: kind of dead right now. Okay, not a lot going on.
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Speaker 1: I don't care about tennis or the WNBA beating the
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Speaker 1: piss out of Caitlin Car What the hell is that
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Speaker 1: all about?
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Speaker 2: By the way, I did it. Like I said, not
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Speaker 2: a lot going on.
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Speaker 1: So I did a quick google of the five greatest
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Speaker 1: sports movies of all time, and Vulture gave me the
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Speaker 1: following number five Fox Catcher, Never seen it. Number four
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Speaker 1: Bull Durham Great, might be too high on this list.
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Speaker 1: Number three Rocky wrong answer. This should be number two
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Speaker 1: two they have here in Vulture on the list, Number two,
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Speaker 1: Raging Bull. That's also the wrong answer. That should be
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Speaker 1: number three. Number one Hoop Dreams great, great, great movie,
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Speaker 1: but wrong. The correct answer is to the question of
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Speaker 1: what is the greatest sports movie of all time? Well,
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Speaker 1: that is, of course, Slapshot from nineteen seventy seven. Featuring
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Speaker 1: Paul Newman, The Handsome Brothers, and Eddie Shore's Old time
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Speaker 3: What's going on? Brothers Tony from the two O six
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Speaker 3: Just listen to the Roman Polansky episode, and Uh's talk
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Speaker 3: about the question you ask about. Are you able to
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Speaker 3: you know, separate the artists from their art, the creator
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Speaker 3: from their art, And honestly, if it's more easier for
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Speaker 3: me to do in movies than it is say music,
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Speaker 3: for example, Like I know a lot of people that
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Speaker 3: will still watch a John Wayne film and can totally
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Speaker 3: separate that from who John Wayne was the person. You know,
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Speaker 3: Google the nineteen seventy one Playboy article versus music. Like
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Speaker 3: for me, I can't listen to any of R. Kelly's
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Speaker 3: music anymore because a lot of his music is him
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Speaker 3: telling on himself, you know. And I guess with Roman
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Speaker 3: Polanski it's kind of like with some of his.
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Speaker 4: Work telling on himself in a way.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but that's just my take on it. Man.
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Speaker 2: Tony in the two US six. Great to hear from you.
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Speaker 1: Great way to frame this question when you're comparing the
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Speaker 1: transgressions of film directors and musicians. I think maybe put
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Speaker 1: the telling on yourself aside, piece aside for a second.
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Speaker 1: But the I don't know his music more personal? Is
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Speaker 1: that what it is?
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Speaker 2: Zeth? Is that what makes it harder? I think it
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Speaker 7: I think there's a big part of what the music
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Speaker 7: that you listen to being such a part of your
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Speaker 7: identity in a way that the movies that you watch
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Speaker 7: aren't part of your identity. I don't have a fast
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Speaker 7: clear answer for why that is the case. But music
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Speaker 7: has always been such a part of who you are.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly for me, But but movies too to some degree,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, Woody Allen is certainly in
22:30
Speaker 1: Manhattan telling on himself to use, to use Tony's phrase,
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Speaker 1: but I can I still love that movie, and.
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Speaker 2: I guess I don't know. I don't. I don't know
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Speaker 1: No one cares about music, books, records and the crime
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Speaker 1: and grime that ties it all together like you do,
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Speaker 2: On December eighth.
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Speaker 1: However, nineteen sixty three, Frank Sinatra's son was kidnapped, and
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Speaker 1: a mafia and force's phone calls set off a chain
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Speaker 1: of really really bad things. Here is what America was
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Speaker 1: listening to at that time. Number one on the Billboard Charts.
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Speaker 1: Dominique the Singing Nun last week two, peak position one
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Speaker 1: weeks on chart five. Number two, I'm Leaving It up
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Speaker 1: to You, Dale and Grace last week one, peak position
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Speaker 1: one weeks on chart week number three, Buddy.
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Speaker 2: Tommy Rowe last week last.
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Speaker 1: Peak positions three weeks on chart nine on number four.
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Speaker 1: Louis Leonie the Keys last year number twenty three, peak
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Speaker 1: She's A four weeks on Leslie Numbers.
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