Latest / The Mark Belling Podcast / Mark Belling Podcast #99: The case against Judge Hannah Dugan strengthens as a fellow judge who witnessed Dugan obstructing ICE agents testifies "judges should not be helping defendants evade arrest." There are growing indications local officials have botched the Brown University murder case as there's still no arrest. And, Mark offers his take on White House Chief of Staff's Susie Wiles' candid comments on the inside of the Trump presidency.

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Mark Belling Podcast #99: The case against Judge Hannah Dugan strengthens as a fellow judge who witnessed Dugan obstructing ICE agents testifies "judges should not be helping defendants evade arrest." There are growing indications local officials have botched the Brown University murder case as there's still no arrest. And, Mark offers his take on White House Chief of Staff's Susie Wiles' candid comments on the inside of the Trump presidency. · The Mark Belling Podcast

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan
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Speaker 2: is going to be convicted of federal felonies. Are not.
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Speaker 2: I can tell you, however, and we're at the stage
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Speaker 2: of the trial the prosecution is widening up its case,
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Speaker 2: then the defense has its opportunity closing arguments and all
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Speaker 2: of that. I can tell you that the case that
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Speaker 2: the federal prosecutors are putting on so far is I
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Speaker 2: think rather strong. Now understand that just about everybody who's
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Speaker 2: going to testify in this case is a lefty. Almost
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Speaker 2: all the Milwaukee County judges are liberal. The judge that
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Speaker 2: Hannah Dugan and Carder in the hallway is a fellow liberal.
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Speaker 2: Everybody involved here is a leftist. But in terms of
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Speaker 2: the testimony, some of the testimony that is coming from
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Speaker 2: others in the courthouse system I think is damning. I'm
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Speaker 2: going to read a quote and then we're going to
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Speaker 2: expand on this judge severa was the judge that Dugan
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Speaker 2: encountered in the hallway on that faithful morning in which
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Speaker 2: ICE agents showed up with an arrest warrant for a
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Speaker 2: suspect that was to appear in Dugan's court. I want
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Speaker 2: to read the quote this is on the witness stand
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Speaker 2: from Judge Severa. I was shocked. Quote judges should not
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Speaker 2: be helping defendants evade arrest. So the jury heard that.
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Speaker 2: That's a pretty strong statement, and it comes to someone
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Speaker 2: who has the credibility of being the exact same thing
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Speaker 2: that Hannah Dugan is. A fellow Milwaukee County Circuit judge,
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Speaker 2: an option. For those of you who haven't followed the background,
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Speaker 2: ICE agents showed up and they had a war and
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Speaker 2: four Eduardo Flores Ruiz who, in addition to being an
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Speaker 2: illegal immigrant, was also accused of violent crime in Judge
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Speaker 2: Hannah Dugan's court, and Dugan sent the ice agents off
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Speaker 2: on a wild goose chase, sending them down to the
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Speaker 2: office of the Chief Judge in Milwaukee, Cottie Karl Ashley,
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Speaker 2: and during the time that they were gone, she spirited
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Speaker 2: this defendant floresa Ree's away and hit him in a room.
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Speaker 2: Rather than let this slide, the Department of Justices bringing
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Speaker 2: criminal charges. Both Tom Holman and the Attorney General Pam
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Speaker 2: Bondi have said that public officials who assistant assist illegal
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Speaker 2: immigrants in avoiding being detained are going to be prosecuted.
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Speaker 2: It's crime. It's a crime, just as much as if
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Speaker 2: a regular old person me tries to hide somebody who's
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Speaker 2: wanted for a murder or something, or it's an obstruction,
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Speaker 2: you can't do it. In this case, she was a
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Speaker 2: judge and she was being presented with a warrant. Judges
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Speaker 2: issue warrens themselves. She's confronted with a ward and rather
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Speaker 2: than onto the warrant, she actively, according to the allegation
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Speaker 2: and according to all the evidence presented, she actively thwarted
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Speaker 2: the warrant. Now, this isn't what happened, but it would
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Speaker 2: have been interesting if she simply chose not to cooperate.
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Speaker 2: In other words, I'm not going to tell you anything,
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Speaker 2: but allowed them to go find the guy and grab
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Speaker 2: them up. But she didn't do that. She took the
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Speaker 2: added step of diverting them, shuttling them off to another
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Speaker 2: office while she hit him. As it turns out, Flores
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Speaker 2: Maries was arrested anyway, meaning what Dugan did didn't do
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Speaker 2: any good. Now, I think that there are going to
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Speaker 2: be some wagon. This might be part of the defense
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Speaker 2: that this is a case of no harm, no follow
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Speaker 2: given the fact that the person was ending up in
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Speaker 2: custody anyway. I want to quote though, and I've got
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Speaker 2: news that counts of FOXYX and JS online here. On
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Speaker 2: Tuesday of this week, the sixteenth, Christella Severa testified, as
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Speaker 2: I said, she's the fellow of Milwaukee County Circuit Judge.
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Speaker 2: Milwaukee County judge testified that she was summoned from the
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Speaker 2: bench by Judge Hannah Dugan and told to keep on
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Speaker 2: her robes so they could confront federal immigration agents in
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Speaker 2: the hallway. Right, let's pause here. There is a component
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Speaker 2: of this that's very interesting and isment brought up in
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Speaker 2: a robe. Most judges only wear their robes in the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: Why would Dugan specifically have told Servera to keep her
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Speaker 2: rob on when she went out into the hallway. And again,
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Speaker 2: this is what Servera is testifying. She has no particular
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Speaker 2: reason to lie under oaths. She's a judge. She could
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Speaker 2: lose her career. She testified the Dugan told her to
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Speaker 2: keep her roban. In my opinion, the only reason that
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Speaker 2: you would tell her to keep her robin and then
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Speaker 2: go on the whole all the way in do this
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Speaker 2: and run this misdirection is she wanted the Ice agents
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Speaker 2: to see that this was a judge that was out
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Speaker 2: there giving them a statement. If Christella Severa just goes
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Speaker 2: out in her street class, take sir Robot and goes
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Speaker 2: out there, they aren't going to know her for her ad.
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Speaker 2: But she's got the judicial robot and Dugan told her
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Speaker 2: to keep the robot, and that's what she testified. Continuing
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Speaker 2: the testimony from Judge Christeller, Servera came in December sixteenth,
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Speaker 2: the same day as federal agents testified that Dugan was
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Speaker 2: direct and angry as she ordered them to go to
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Speaker 2: the Chief Judge's office as they were waiting to arrest
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Speaker 2: Eduardoflores Ruiz, an undocumented immigrant. That's the term the jess
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Speaker 2: online users outside her courtroom. The events of April eighteenth
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Speaker 2: thrust the sixty six year old Dugan into the center
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Speaker 2: of a clash between the judiciary and the Trump administration
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Speaker 2: over its crack down an illegal immigration. Severa testified, now again,
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Speaker 2: this is the other judge that she hesitated to enter
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Speaker 2: the public hallway and confront federal immigration agents with Dugan.
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Speaker 2: So here's Severa. She's being told this by Dugan. And again,
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Speaker 2: Dugan's not her boss, she's a fellow judge. But Dugan's
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Speaker 2: been a round blogger, Dugan's been on the bench longer.
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Speaker 2: So you've got a fellow judge telling her to do this.
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Speaker 2: And Severa doesn't really know what's going on. She hesitated
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Speaker 2: so she can she's already sensing this isn't good. Continuing,
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Speaker 2: Severa said, she and other judges don't wear their robes
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Speaker 2: in the hallway, as the robe conveys authority. Now that's interesting.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what the case is. In all the
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Speaker 2: other counties in the state of Wisconsin, it would seem
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Speaker 2: to me that a lot of times a judge does
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Speaker 2: walk down the hallway with the robe on. What if
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Speaker 2: you're just going from one room to another, do you
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Speaker 2: want to take the whole thing of But Severa said
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Speaker 2: that the normal custom in Milwaukee County, and again there's
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Speaker 2: fifty branch over fifty branches in Milwaukee County Circre courps
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Speaker 2: zillion judge is to not have your robes on when
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Speaker 2: you're in the hallway, because you only are functioning as
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Speaker 2: a judge when you're in the courtroom, not in the hallway.
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Speaker 2: So Severa said, normally you don't wear your robes in
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Speaker 2: the hallway. She said, quote, I didn't want to walk
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Speaker 2: in the hallway with my robot. Once in the hallway,
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Speaker 2: Severa said, the federal agent whom Dugan questioned was respectful. No. Again,
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Speaker 2: I think this is key. So the ICE agent, according
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Speaker 2: to Judge Severa, was respectful in asking this question. Severa
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Speaker 2: said Dugan was getting worked out. So the person who's
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Speaker 2: getting all hacked office Hannah Dugan. According to Judge Severa's testimony,
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Speaker 2: this is one of those inconvenient truths for the people
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Speaker 2: who want to claim that Ice is this bunch of monsters.
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Speaker 2: The ICE agents are very polite during the core. They
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Speaker 2: probably never anticipated that you'd have a judge that would
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Speaker 2: obstruck them. But Judge Severa said Dugan was fried, She's frost,
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Speaker 2: He's hacked off. Here's Ice of the ward. It just
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Speaker 2: strikes me as the same attitude of irrationality that you're
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Speaker 2: seeing from so many people that left the very existence
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Speaker 2: of ICE, that somehow ICE doing its job, an ICE,
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Speaker 2: a law enforcement agency and forcing its warrants, is in
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Speaker 2: some sort of class that is to be not only
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Speaker 2: disrespected but obstructed. Now we've had some people arguab well,
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Speaker 2: I shouldn't be in the courthouse now, I'll get back
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Speaker 2: to the testimony in it. I shouldn't be in the cordos.
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Speaker 2: One of the types of people that you see in
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Speaker 2: the cordos all the time are cops. The cordos is
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Speaker 2: crawling with police officers and sheriff's deputies. In Milwaukee County,
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Speaker 2: all of the bailiffs are sheriff's deputies. It's part of
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Speaker 2: their job. In addition to that, those that are being
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Speaker 2: brought from the jail to a courtroom are accompanied by
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Speaker 2: a jailer. In addition to that who testifies the criminal cases.
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Speaker 2: Lots of cops. You have police officers in Milwaukee West
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Speaker 2: Allison's the one wandering through the courthouse, law enforcement entities,
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Speaker 2: law enforcement officials. These are precisely other people that you
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Speaker 2: would see in the courthouse all the time. From the
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Speaker 2: perspective of Ice, all right, Ice is looking for somebody.
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Speaker 2: Let's imagine your Ice. Do you want to be iceis
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Speaker 2: should ib Ice? You'll be Ice? All right? Your Ice?
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Speaker 2: You're looking for this guy. You find out he's got
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Speaker 2: a court date on April eighteenth, rather than knock on
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Speaker 2: every door on the south side of Milwaukee, wouldn't it
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Speaker 2: make sense to you to show up at April late
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Speaker 2: tenth the court. That's where you know he's going to be.
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Speaker 2: And the attitude of Dugan in some of these is
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Speaker 2: somehow this is supposed to be a safe sewing. Why
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Speaker 2: is the court a safe sewing. Furthermore, you know why
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Speaker 2: he was in the court because he's facing criminal charges
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Speaker 2: on another case. If the hacks out in Providence, Rhode
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Speaker 2: Island get their act together and they identify the Brown
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Speaker 2: University killer and find out that he's got a divorce
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Speaker 2: hearing this afternoon, I would hope they shop in the
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Speaker 2: car that arrest him. Getting back to the testimony of
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Speaker 2: Judge Severa, referring to Dugan, her irritation seemed to progress
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Speaker 2: to anger. Severa testified, I thought she could have been
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Speaker 2: a little more diplomatic. Severa testified that she led the
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Speaker 2: agents to the office of Chief Judge Carl Atshley's office
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Speaker 2: as Dugan directed, but Severa said she was surprised when
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Speaker 2: Dugan disappeared. So now Severa is Dugan take her to
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Speaker 2: the Chief Judge's office, and Severa's assuming that they're going
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Speaker 2: to the Chief Judge's office to have the Chief Judge
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Speaker 2: okay that this is what's going on. But instead when
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Speaker 2: they head on down there, Dugan bails nowhere to be found.
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Speaker 2: So Judge Severa I think clearly was angered at this.
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Speaker 2: She was set up and never expected that a fellow
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Speaker 2: judge would ask her to be part of a wild
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Speaker 2: goose chase. She was shocked at she disagreet court. I
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Speaker 2: was amazed, I thought she left me, Severa testified, adding
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Speaker 2: she also was miffed because she wanted to get to
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Speaker 2: her busy call. And remember Severa's in court too. She
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Speaker 2: was hauled out of court by Dougan telling her to
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Speaker 2: come over there, and now she's doing all of this,
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Speaker 2: trying to help Hannah Dugan obstruct the arrest of a
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Speaker 2: guy that's in her court. Severa's got all of her
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Speaker 2: stuff to do, so Severa probably could have told Dugan
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Speaker 2: to just blow But you've got a judge saying I
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Speaker 2: need your help and something that she kep about to
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Speaker 2: help her, and she's being set up. And this is
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Speaker 2: all being testified to by Severa. In front of the
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Speaker 2: jury hearing the Dugan case, Severa was asked what she
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Speaker 2: thought when she learned the FBI was investigating Dugan for
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Speaker 2: allegedly trying to help floresa Rees elude arrest. Shocked, Severa
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Speaker 2: said judges should not be helping defendants evade arrest. Well,
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Speaker 2: I think that should be standd as a given, and
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Speaker 2: that's what this case is all about. Hannah Dugan is
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Speaker 2: a judge who was helping a defendant evade arrest. There
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Speaker 2: are any number of law enforcement authorities in the United
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Speaker 2: States of America, and all of them have arrested authority
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Speaker 2: in this case, it was Ice, It could have been
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Speaker 2: the FBI, It could have been the United States marshals.
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Speaker 2: It could have been the Milwaukee County Sheriff. Maybe it
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Speaker 2: could have been Milwaukee Police. Maybe it could have been
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Speaker 2: cut a Hey police. It could have been the Wisconsin
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Speaker 2: Department of Justice, could have been the state po Polise police.
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Speaker 2: Any number of law enforcement agencies may be coming out
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Speaker 2: to go after somebody that is a suspect in violating
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Speaker 2: the law. So Judge Severa's statement judges should not be
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Speaker 2: helping defendants evade arrest. Severa added she later became worried. Quote,
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Speaker 2: I was mortified. I thought that someone may think that
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Speaker 2: I was part of some of what happened. So now,
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Speaker 2: Judge Savers sega, I don't want anybody to think that
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Speaker 2: I was in on this with Dugan, because obviously Severa
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Speaker 2: knew this is raw, all right? The dream team Hannah
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Speaker 2: Dugan has eighteen five hundred criminal defense attorneys. I exaggerate.
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Speaker 2: Do you have to explain that that's an exaggeration. No,
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Speaker 2: numerous local attorneys defending her. Steve Biscoopik, former United States
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Speaker 2: attorney who's now gone off to the dark side. He
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Speaker 2: does criminal defense tastes like this white colored crime. He
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Speaker 2: cross examines Judge Severa under cross examination Severa admitted she
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Speaker 2: texted her sister, an attorney the federal immigration agents were
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Speaker 2: at the courthouse shortly after she returned to her courtroom.
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Speaker 2: You told her that Ice was in the buildings and
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Speaker 2: Steve Biscoopik, one of Dugan's attorneys. That's fair, Severa said,
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Speaker 2: warn her Buscoopias, Yeah, sure. The judge testified. Asked about
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Speaker 2: the text again later, Severa said, quote, it was more
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Speaker 2: about what was happening in our country at the time
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Speaker 2: that Ice was doing sweeping arrest. Now, I think rather
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Speaker 2: than this being a statement that defeats the credibility of Severa,
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Speaker 2: it strength strengthens it. In other words, I think Judge
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Speaker 2: Severa is one of those that doesn't like all this
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Speaker 2: stuff that I s is doing. That's what she texted
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Speaker 2: her sister, Hey, Ice is running around to the building.
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Speaker 2: But even though she may not be a fan of
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Speaker 2: what Ice was doing, she knows you've got to follow
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Speaker 2: the law and you can't defy a warred Now, as
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Speaker 2: I said, that testimony came out on Tuesday. We're doing
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Speaker 2: the podcast here on Wednesday, and I realized some people
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Speaker 2: are listening after the facts, so some of the information
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Speaker 2: you're here will be dating if you listen. Long after
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Speaker 2: we released this, the Chief Judge, Carl Ashley testified on Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: I'll quote from Fox six on this. Ashley said it
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Speaker 2: was his understanding after speaking to an ICE agent, that
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Speaker 2: the arrest would take place in the public hallway. So
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Speaker 2: Judge Ashley talked to Ice. Remember Ice was sent down
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Speaker 2: the hallway by Dugan to total the Chief Judge and
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Speaker 2: the Chief Judge talked to Ice and I and the
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Speaker 2: Chief Judge was on the understanding, Okay, Ice is going
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Speaker 2: to go back and in the hallway. They're going to
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Speaker 2: arrest the guy. In other words, not bust into a
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Speaker 2: courtroom and do it, but arrest him in the hallway.
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Speaker 2: So actually is of the opinion, Okay, they're gonna go
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Speaker 2: this is all fine. They're going to go into the
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Speaker 2: hallway and they're going to arrest the guy. The Chief
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Speaker 2: Judge said that he spoke to a courthouse safety supervisor
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Speaker 2: who informed him that the arrest did not take place
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Speaker 2: as he anticipated. And the reason it didn't take place
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Speaker 2: is because the guy has suddenly nowhere to be found
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Speaker 2: because Hannah Dugan was hid. Again. Ashley said he then
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Speaker 2: texted Dugan a few times asking her to call him.
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Speaker 2: This is a chief judge. The chief judge has sort
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Speaker 2: of authority over the other judges, and that there are
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Speaker 2: the administered supervisor. But the judges work for themselves. They're
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Speaker 2: all elected individually. So now here this is going on.
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Speaker 2: Ice comes down to Ashley's office, They go back and
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Speaker 2: the suspect is nowhere to be found. So she's so
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Speaker 2: the Chief Judge, Askeley is texting Hannahdugain, text again, Hannah,
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Speaker 2: what's God, asking her to call him, and he received
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Speaker 2: her response hours later. Now, if you're hand A Dugan
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Speaker 2: and the Chief Judge's texting you asking you what's going on,
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Speaker 2: why wouldn't you immediately respond? He ultimately decided to table
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Speaker 2: any conversation because he was concerned about what might have happened. Then,
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Speaker 2: Ashley said, he sent an email on the afternoon of
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Speaker 2: April eighteenth. Again this happened in the morning of April eighteenth,
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Speaker 2: notifying colleagues that Ice had conducted a courthouse arrest. He
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Speaker 2: detailed what took place and noted ICE's actions were consistent
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Speaker 2: with his draft policy. In other words, the Chief Judge
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Speaker 2: had put out a policy in anticipation that this might happen.
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Speaker 2: In advance of all of this. The Chief Judge had
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Speaker 2: a policy. Then he said everything that Ice did was
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Speaker 2: according to the policy that I said. The only person
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Speaker 2: who wasn't following any policy was Hannah Dogan, who, acting
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Speaker 2: on our own, is out there trying to get this
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Speaker 2: guy free. Here's what I think. I think it's possible
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Speaker 2: she's going to get off. And here's why we have
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Speaker 2: in this country right now an insane irrationality about Ice.
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Speaker 2: This is beyond defund the police and the people who
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Speaker 2: don't like cops. Ice has been put into some just
18:45
Speaker 2: other category. And every Democrat in this country has had
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Speaker 2: it drilled into their heads that Ice is terrible. Ice
18:52
Speaker 2: is a legitimate, and anybody who dislikes Trump and dislikes
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Speaker 2: Ice may simply we're gonna let this woman skate. Now.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that that's who's on the jury. I
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Speaker 2: don't know the political leanings who's on the jury. I
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Speaker 2: do know this. Generally, defense attorneys are better when it
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Speaker 2: comes to jury selection than prosecutors, in large part because
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Speaker 2: defense attorneys usually make more money. Not always, Sometimes you
19:18
Speaker 2: know the public defenders are overworked, or they don't get
19:21
Speaker 2: paid a ton of money. Sometimes you'll have a big
19:23
Speaker 2: shot prosecutor who's really good. Can you think of a
19:26
Speaker 2: case in which the prosecutor actually was way better than
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Speaker 2: the defense attorney. No. I can remember when Daryl Brooks
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Speaker 2: defended himself and Sue Opper was he Sue Opper was there,
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Speaker 2: and the two assistants whether one of them's now with Judge,
19:47
Speaker 2: the others now the DA, and she's the DA. And
19:49
Speaker 2: yet Daryl Brooks himself, but he will see functioned as
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Speaker 2: his attorney representati himself. More often it's what's her name?
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Speaker 2: Against the dream Team Johnny Cochran and f Lee, Bailey
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Speaker 2: and Shapiro. What is her name? Marcia Clark? And again
20:08
Speaker 2: that's not even a knock on Marcia Clark. You know,
20:11
Speaker 2: in many cases the prosecutors are pretty good, and some
20:14
Speaker 2: make a decent chunk of money. They're well into the
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Speaker 2: six figures and so on. But in the case you're
20:19
Speaker 2: of Dougah, she's got all these defense attorneys that are y'
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Speaker 2: all lefties. They want to rally to a defense. They're
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Speaker 2: probably being paid off by these people that have raised
20:26
Speaker 2: money for her defense fund and so on. On the
20:28
Speaker 2: other hand, the United States Attorney's Office, the Federal prosecutors.
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Speaker 2: That's a high standard prosecutor. Those are rather prestigious jobs.
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Speaker 2: The point I was making though, on the jury selection.
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Speaker 2: You know, the defense often will hire consultants, I forget
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Speaker 2: what they call them, but you know, you question all
20:48
Speaker 2: these jurors and they ask questions, and you can strike
20:50
Speaker 2: defense jurors that you don't want. I don't want this one,
20:52
Speaker 2: I don't want that one, I don't want the other one.
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Speaker 2: And sometimes jury selection takes forever. And my guess is
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Speaker 2: that the defense was looking for a lot of anti
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Speaker 2: Trump jurors. I don't know that the prosecution was weeding
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Speaker 2: out lefties. But that scenario, just nullification by the jury,
21:19
Speaker 2: that no matter whether she's guilty or not, they just
21:21
Speaker 2: don't want to convict her, is the only scenario I
21:24
Speaker 2: see her skating off on that. But that scenario that
21:27
Speaker 2: I mentioned, they're just going to nullify. It's a very
21:30
Speaker 2: real and strong and maybe even likely possibility. I want
21:36
Speaker 2: to turn my attention to the interview given by Susie Wiles,
21:43
Speaker 2: Trump's chief of staff, to Vanity Fair magazine. Apparently, over
21:56
Speaker 2: the past year, Susie Wiles has had eleven conversations with
22:01
Speaker 2: the reporter Chris Whipple. So this wasn't just one big interview,
22:06
Speaker 2: but she had an arrangement that she would talk to
22:09
Speaker 2: her talk to him from time to time, and apparently
22:13
Speaker 2: after a year he would do a piece describing the
22:16
Speaker 2: insides of the Trump administration. Susie Wiles is contending that
22:24
Speaker 2: out of these lengthy conversations, hours and hours and hours,
22:29
Speaker 2: they have pulled out select quotes out of context. In
22:33
Speaker 2: other words, she may have gone The most obvious example
22:36
Speaker 2: of this is Trump has the personality of a recovering alcoholic.
22:41
Speaker 2: Everybody's jumped at that, and vanity fairs publicists that you know,
22:44
Speaker 2: talk before the article comes out. They've put that out
22:47
Speaker 2: and they sent that out in the press release on
22:49
Speaker 2: the material. If you read the full quote that she gave,
22:53
Speaker 2: it was complimentary. First of all, Susie Wiles is the
22:56
Speaker 2: daughter of Pat Sommrow, the x NFL player who is
22:59
Speaker 2: known to have been drunk during his broadcast. He and
23:01
Speaker 2: Tom Brookshire did the games and they were those guys
23:04
Speaker 2: that kind of there are just some guys that can
23:06
Speaker 2: drink when they're doing their job, and you didn't really notice,
23:08
Speaker 2: I don't see you just don't see those people anymore.
23:10
Speaker 2: Do you. No, I mean I see people that are drunk.
23:14
Speaker 2: They look drunk, but back in the day, I you know,
23:16
Speaker 2: mad men and all of that stuff. Anyway, Pat Summer
23:24
Speaker 2: all eventually went into rehab and kicked his alcoholism. And
23:29
Speaker 2: the point that Susie wils was making is is that
23:31
Speaker 2: people that have overcome alcoholism. In other words, she didn't
23:35
Speaker 2: say alcoholicity recovering alcoholics personality. These are people that have
23:39
Speaker 2: found strength within themselves and they I kicked this, I
23:43
Speaker 2: can do anything. And that's what the twelve step programs
23:46
Speaker 2: tell you. You certainly are a slave to this disease, but
23:49
Speaker 2: you can overcome it. That was the point that she
23:51
Speaker 2: was making. Trump himself is famously somebody who's never had
23:55
Speaker 2: a drink. The point that she was making is that
23:57
Speaker 2: he has the personality of somebody who feels as though
23:59
Speaker 2: he cand of acomplish anything. So there's certainly some truth
24:03
Speaker 2: to this notion that they took a statement here and
24:07
Speaker 2: pull it out of context for the purposes of getting
24:11
Speaker 2: a big time headline. But it does beg the larger
24:17
Speaker 2: question of why she agreed to it. No, I know
24:22
Speaker 2: this Trump's administration has been unbelievably transparent. You ask Caroline
24:32
Speaker 2: Love at the White House Press Secretary of question. She'll
24:34
Speaker 2: answer everything. She may fire back, but she'll answer everything.
24:39
Speaker 2: Trump himself holds news conferences all the time. Administration officials
24:43
Speaker 2: are always available for interviews. Trump's done just a zillion interviews.
24:48
Speaker 2: Other people in the administration talk all the time. Trump
24:51
Speaker 2: sometimes allows the cameras to come into cabinet meetings. I
24:54
Speaker 2: think that they have been of the opinion after the
24:56
Speaker 2: secrecy of Biden, Trump's people that failed, we have nothing
24:59
Speaker 2: to hide. These are the things that we are going
25:01
Speaker 2: to do, the things that we're gonna believe in, and
25:03
Speaker 2: we'll let people see it. However, for those of you
25:09
Speaker 2: not are you familiar with Vanity Fair?
25:12
Speaker 1: No?
25:15
Speaker 2: Well, are you familiar on you? Nobody? You don't know
25:17
Speaker 2: anything about it. Vanity Fair all magazines are shriveling into
25:23
Speaker 2: nothingness and it become the website is where everything is.
25:27
Speaker 2: Vanity Fair, however, still publishes a magazine. It isn't one
25:31
Speaker 2: a month anymore, but it was the magazine four. It
25:34
Speaker 2: was the magazine in the eighties, nineties and the zeros
25:38
Speaker 2: before the Internet took over. It zillions of pages, tons
25:42
Speaker 2: of ads, and the fashion houses and so on, and
25:45
Speaker 2: it's this combination of they usually put a celebrity and
25:47
Speaker 2: they do a big celebrity profile and they put the
25:49
Speaker 2: celebrity on the cover and so on, and then two
25:52
Speaker 2: or three, you know, real crime, investigative pieces, a political piece.
25:57
Speaker 2: And they've had really really good writers. But forever and
25:59
Speaker 2: ever and ever, it's been lefty for the long time.
26:02
Speaker 2: Their editor was Graydon Carter. He was the editor, like
26:05
Speaker 2: during the Bush era, he couldn't stand Bush. Every month
26:08
Speaker 2: he did his column and it was just an attack
26:10
Speaker 2: on Bush. So then it affairs and left his center
26:12
Speaker 2: forever and ever. Things have changed a little bit now
26:15
Speaker 2: in that they do most of their stuff on the
26:17
Speaker 2: website because magazines, as I said, are dying. They've gone
26:22
Speaker 2: through a couple of editors, but it's always been a
26:25
Speaker 2: publication that's had a lefty slant always. So if Susie
26:31
Speaker 2: Wilds is going to grant an interview to someone over
26:34
Speaker 2: in the course of a year, why did she pick them? Now?
26:41
Speaker 2: I think part of this is there is Trump has
26:46
Speaker 2: some flaws, and I think almost every Donald Trump supporter
26:52
Speaker 2: knows he has flaws. One of his flaws is and
26:56
Speaker 2: in almost all politicians are narcissists. You have to be
26:59
Speaker 2: a narcissist to be compresident United States. You have to
27:01
Speaker 2: hit somebody that's an incredibly high opinion of yourself to
27:04
Speaker 2: say I can run the free world. And Trump certainly
27:08
Speaker 2: has this, and he's had this for the longest time.
27:10
Speaker 2: I think Trump has a need for people who dislike
27:14
Speaker 2: him to like him. The fact that he wants to
27:16
Speaker 2: win the Nobel Peace Prize. He's not gonna win that.
27:19
Speaker 2: They're not gonna give him the Nobel Trump could return
27:22
Speaker 2: the world to where it was before Adam and Eve
27:25
Speaker 2: bit the apple in the Garden of Aden, and they
27:28
Speaker 2: would not give him the word the Nobel Peace Prize.
27:30
Speaker 2: They can't stand him. So Trump is looking, i think,
27:34
Speaker 2: for the approval of people who will simply never approve
27:37
Speaker 2: of him. And this translates down to Susie Wilds. My
27:40
Speaker 2: guess is it's not been stated. My guess is that
27:43
Speaker 2: Trump greenlighted her doing this, figuring we're just gonna be
27:47
Speaker 2: transparent about it, and maybe Vanity fair will give us
27:52
Speaker 2: a fair shake because we're giving them an inside look
27:54
Speaker 2: at what's going on to the administration, They're gonna have
27:56
Speaker 2: a fair number of scoops that are gonna come out
27:58
Speaker 2: of this and it's not gonna be a hit. I'm
28:00
Speaker 2: thinking that's what their thought process is, which, of course
28:03
Speaker 2: is wraw. I can relate to this. I think this
28:08
Speaker 2: was Susie Wils's Meg Kissinger moment. She want me to
28:12
Speaker 2: tell my Meg Kissinger story again for the ninety seven
28:14
Speaker 2: thousandth time. Meg Kissinger was a gossip columnist for the
28:17
Speaker 2: newspaper and for some reason hit an obsession with me.
28:21
Speaker 2: She hated me. I think she had an obsession with
28:23
Speaker 2: me because I blew the whistle on the fact that
28:28
Speaker 2: she was a paid contributor to the Wrightman and Miller
28:30
Speaker 2: radio show. But then when news use her newspaper column
28:33
Speaker 2: to like every week put in something that the wackies
28:36
Speaker 2: eighty Wrightman and Miller said, I thought unbelievable. Come she's
28:39
Speaker 2: being paid to be a contributor on the show and
28:41
Speaker 2: then she's putting in her piece puff stuff about Oh.
28:43
Speaker 2: I put the whistle on that. This is back in
28:46
Speaker 2: the nineties when I first got here, and I was like,
28:48
Speaker 2: this is the beginning of my exposing all the craft
28:50
Speaker 2: that's going on in the media. Well, she didn't like
28:54
Speaker 2: the fact that I blew the whistle on this unethical
28:56
Speaker 2: relationship that she had. All Right, several years past, Meg
29:02
Speaker 2: Kissinger contacts me and said, I want to do a
29:03
Speaker 2: lengthy profile on you. Not a gossip column piece, but
29:07
Speaker 2: a long story that would appear. I think it was
29:09
Speaker 2: a Sunday pa whatever. This is when the paper still
29:11
Speaker 2: had long stories and the paper was still think this is.
29:14
Speaker 2: It's so far back, it's before the Internet killed newspapers.
29:17
Speaker 2: And my thought process is it would be so predictable
29:20
Speaker 2: for her to just do a hatchet job, because everybody
29:23
Speaker 2: knows that she can't stand me, that she's actually here
29:28
Speaker 2: going to kind of go against type and do something fair.
29:34
Speaker 2: What an idiot you say. It's about the dumbest thing
29:38
Speaker 2: I've done since I've been a talk show. My thought
29:41
Speaker 2: that med Kissinger is going to do well. She does
29:43
Speaker 2: this piece and it was just a hatchet job. It
29:46
Speaker 2: starts with if we met at Miss Katie's Diner, which
29:49
Speaker 2: by the way is still aroud Snare Market. It's at
29:52
Speaker 2: nineteenth in Clybourne. I think we met there, so she
29:56
Speaker 2: writes in the thing, I walked up to Miss Katie's
29:59
Speaker 2: Diner and I saw it and truck the exterminator she said, Okay,
30:03
Speaker 2: I guess I know he's already here. That's how it started,
30:07
Speaker 2: and it went down from there, and everything that I
30:10
Speaker 2: said was just it was just a rap. Carve me up, said,
30:16
Speaker 2: I get for being dumb enough to think that she
30:18
Speaker 2: was going to give me a fair shake. And that's
30:20
Speaker 2: what I think happened to Susie Wiles. She was dumb
30:23
Speaker 2: enough to think that she was going to get a
30:24
Speaker 2: fair shake, so she ended up making you know, these
30:27
Speaker 2: are eleven conversations over the course of the year, might
30:29
Speaker 2: get his hours and hours and hours and hours and
30:31
Speaker 2: ours probably lots of stuff that was praise worthy about
30:34
Speaker 2: things going on to the administration and so on, and
30:37
Speaker 2: that reporter carved out and pulled out everything that she
30:40
Speaker 2: said that might be inflammatory and put nothing else in
30:43
Speaker 2: the story. Having said that there were some revelations that,
30:51
Speaker 2: when you get past the salacious little buzzword, that I
30:54
Speaker 2: thought were fairly interesting, she talked about the Jeffrey Epstein
30:57
Speaker 2: case and said, yeah, Trump's name is in the files.
31:03
Speaker 2: She also said there is nothing in the files that
31:06
Speaker 2: suggested that Donald Trump ever acted inappropriately at all at
31:12
Speaker 2: any time that he was in the company of Jeffrey Epstein,
31:16
Speaker 2: So that's in there in addition to that, Well, you
31:20
Speaker 2: photocopied this in a I probably it's just you got
31:26
Speaker 2: jump pages that I gotta like flip over and do
31:29
Speaker 2: this to read my thing in and it is the
31:31
Speaker 2: way it is. You needed a larger paper or a
31:33
Speaker 2: smaller things and a larger font, et cetera. Comment and
31:39
Speaker 2: Elon Musk, well, he us his drugs and he's kind
31:42
Speaker 2: of unusual. When he was running DOGE, he would sleep
31:46
Speaker 2: in a sleeping bag in the executive office building. And
31:50
Speaker 2: then she said, well, he's obviously very, very weird, but
31:54
Speaker 2: that's how all geniuses are. In other words, you could
31:58
Speaker 2: pull that out and say everybody knows his drugs. He
32:00
Speaker 2: was on Joe Rogan show, smoke a pot right there
32:02
Speaker 2: in front of all of us. But her overall comment
32:06
Speaker 2: was he was really obsessed with doing a good job.
32:10
Speaker 2: And to the point that here is Elon Musk. He's
32:13
Speaker 2: worth I think the latest estimate is now six hundred
32:16
Speaker 2: and seventy five billion dollars. He's pushing toward a trillion.
32:20
Speaker 2: They're now valuing SpaceX really highly, so that's adding to it. Anyway,
32:25
Speaker 2: he can sleep anywhere he wants, but he was committed
32:27
Speaker 2: enough to this that he's dragging in a sleeping bag
32:29
Speaker 2: hanging around in there. It goes into a number of
32:33
Speaker 2: other things and mentions that there was controversy within the
32:36
Speaker 2: administration itself on tariffs. There's nothing wrong with that. Of course,
32:40
Speaker 2: there were people advised this on the tariff, advised that
32:43
Speaker 2: on the tariff. When you have an administration, you're gonna
32:45
Speaker 2: have people who have differing viewpoints on various issues on
32:47
Speaker 2: the president's sides. She also said that there was I
32:51
Speaker 2: think the most damning thing in the piece. Megan Kelly
32:54
Speaker 2: made the same comment was when she said that Letitia
32:58
Speaker 2: James prosecution was clearly payback. Well, she said that she
33:02
Speaker 2: probably said this in an overall discussion of all of
33:05
Speaker 2: the people that are being prosecuted for misconduct during the
33:09
Speaker 2: time that Biden was in place, and they pull out
33:11
Speaker 2: the one where he's, oh, it's probably pay back, and
33:13
Speaker 2: she said that we had an agreement that the first
33:15
Speaker 2: ninety days he could go and seek retribution, that he
33:17
Speaker 2: had to stop. Trump has said that following this, she
33:23
Speaker 2: has his full confidence. Now, why would he say this
33:27
Speaker 2: after she gave him a after this piece came out,
33:29
Speaker 2: and I think it's because Trump told her it's okay
33:32
Speaker 2: to do it, and Trump said, tell her tell him everything.
33:34
Speaker 2: We want to be transparent. And I think that Trump,
33:38
Speaker 2: as critical as Trump is of a fake news in
33:41
Speaker 2: the media and so on, I think that he and
33:44
Speaker 2: she had this notion that Vanity fair might give him
33:47
Speaker 2: a fair shot. Here. I'll tell you this, This is
33:51
Speaker 2: likely to be the last candid discussion that anybody in
33:55
Speaker 2: the administration has with anybody in any type of mainstream
34:00
Speaker 2: media outlet. People bring in this other stuff that JD
34:02
Speaker 2: Vans is a conspiracy theorist. JD. Vance is as sharp
34:06
Speaker 2: on his feet as anyone as I've seen. Do you
34:07
Speaker 2: see JD's response to this. You don't seem to have
34:11
Speaker 2: you don't seem to be up on the news today.
34:13
Speaker 2: Numerous things you do. Jdvisag, yes, I am a conspiracy theorist.
34:18
Speaker 2: I'm a conspiracy theorist at all of the ones that
34:20
Speaker 2: turned out to me true. And JD said, I have
34:25
Speaker 2: a great relationship with Susie Wills. We go back and
34:28
Speaker 2: forth on this ad and the other thing. Presidents tend
34:32
Speaker 2: to make changes at the end of the year and
34:33
Speaker 2: are approaching the end of twenty twenty six. Some people
34:35
Speaker 2: may stay and some people may go. I do believe
34:39
Speaker 2: that Susie Wilds remains very, very close to the president.
34:44
Speaker 2: Her job, however, is one of the components of her
34:47
Speaker 2: job is the thing that she screwed up here. Her
34:50
Speaker 2: job is to stop anybody from embarrassing the president. She's
34:53
Speaker 2: the gatekeeper, She's the keep people away, She's the whipcracker.
34:56
Speaker 2: That's what the chief of staff is. If somebody else
34:58
Speaker 2: in the administration goes and done something dumb, Trump isn't
35:01
Speaker 2: going to be the one that gets on the blower.
35:03
Speaker 2: She is, and she's going to read them the Riot Act.
35:06
Speaker 2: In this instance, it was her, But if Trump's okay
35:12
Speaker 2: with it, it has to be because Trump knew that
35:14
Speaker 2: he was talking to her, and Trump empathizes with her
35:17
Speaker 2: that they pulled out a handful of coats and put
35:19
Speaker 2: them in a way in which they reflect badly on
35:24
Speaker 2: Trump rather than better. Related to this, Trump's comments, the
35:31
Speaker 2: media is making a huge deal out of it. On
35:33
Speaker 2: Rob Rider. Rob Ryder gets killed rob ber and his
35:35
Speaker 2: wife gets killed by his son. Trump puts out a
35:38
Speaker 2: comment on social media make it very clear what he
35:41
Speaker 2: thinks of Rob Reiner, which is that he couldn't stand
35:42
Speaker 2: Rob Rider and people are horrified by this. All right,
35:48
Speaker 2: my take on this? Do you ever take on this?
35:51
Speaker 2: You must have that you have to have a take
35:52
Speaker 2: on something, Paul you have. Paul said he's not offended
35:58
Speaker 2: by a considering that Ryner said about Trump. Well, I'll
36:00
Speaker 2: get to the second part, because that is clearly what
36:04
Speaker 2: triggered Trump. Brob Reiner came out and repeatedly said that
36:08
Speaker 2: Trump was colluding with the Russians. Remember we now know
36:10
Speaker 2: that Trump did. How would you like it if somebody
36:13
Speaker 2: who had a huge platform, and as Hollywood liberals go,
36:15
Speaker 2: Rob Ryder had the biggest megaphone of alive, very very influential,
36:19
Speaker 2: and he's lying and he's lying about you. However, I've
36:24
Speaker 2: had a long standard on my own show. Here, somebody
36:27
Speaker 2: dies that I can't stand or just dislike or disapprove of,
36:31
Speaker 2: or clashed with, I keep my mouth shut. With the exception,
36:36
Speaker 2: you know, of some world tyrant or something osamavan Laden,
36:40
Speaker 2: of course I'm going to say that's a good thing.
36:43
Speaker 2: But if somebody, some politician, or some developer or somebody
36:46
Speaker 2: or another that I thought was that on the up
36:49
Speaker 2: and up where I clashed it if they died, not
36:51
Speaker 2: just say nothing. And that's what Trump should have done.
36:54
Speaker 2: He should have said nothing. In fact, when Dick Cheney died,
36:59
Speaker 2: Trump really didn't pop off. He didn't go to the
37:03
Speaker 2: funeral because he wasn't invited. But there wasn't this, and
37:10
Speaker 2: Dick Cheney was a visceral opponent of Donald Trump. I
37:18
Speaker 2: almost think that in the case of Cheney, Trump at
37:22
Speaker 2: least gave him. Okay, he's a public official and I'm
37:24
Speaker 2: a public official and so on. But Rob Reiner's craft
37:27
Speaker 2: was gratuitous. One of the things you're gonna get with
37:34
Speaker 2: Trump is that he's not fake, that there's not any
37:38
Speaker 2: bs with him. It doesn't like Rob Riders who he
37:41
Speaker 2: said so, but obviously I think he should have just
37:43
Speaker 2: kept his yaff shut and not said anything at all. However,
37:48
Speaker 2: the reaction to this just proves again people react more
37:51
Speaker 2: strongly to what people say than what they do. There
37:54
Speaker 2: are people in this country angry are Trump than they are.
37:56
Speaker 2: Reiners can't have killed his parents, that's being ignored. They're
38:02
Speaker 2: not mad at him. He sliced and butchered his parents
38:05
Speaker 2: up and you know what, but Trump said, going back
38:13
Speaker 2: to the Hannahdukan case that we were talking about. It's
38:16
Speaker 2: a violent guy that she was sheltering away. People aren't
38:21
Speaker 2: bothered by that at all. They look at some of
38:23
Speaker 2: the people that Ice are grabbing. They hate Ice more
38:28
Speaker 2: than the individuals that are committing terrible Look at all
38:31
Speaker 2: of the crimes that were committed by illegal immigrants during
38:33
Speaker 2: the Biden era and so on. You can go through
38:35
Speaker 2: the cases of suburban mothers and people jogging in the
38:38
Speaker 2: woods and so on. Lefties weren't bothered by any of it.
38:41
Speaker 2: They just bothered that Republicans would use it as a
38:43
Speaker 2: talking point saying this person shouldn't be allowed into the country.
38:48
Speaker 2: But that is the world we live in. People react
38:50
Speaker 2: more strongly to what people say than what they do.
38:54
Speaker 2: I swear, if I want to rob somebody today, I
38:59
Speaker 2: would be low, oh less by the lefties in the
39:02
Speaker 2: media than if I said something that deeply offended them
39:05
Speaker 2: on one of their issues. Oh, you shouldn't have said that.
39:08
Speaker 2: In the end, who cares what you say. Nonetheless, those
39:12
Speaker 2: are the rules of the game. And Trump is pulved
39:15
Speaker 2: by the sword and has died by the sword over them.
39:17
Speaker 2: But no, I don't think he should have said them
39:19
Speaker 2: to I think it's a huge deal that he said it.
39:21
Speaker 2: It's part for the course with Trump. The other thing
39:25
Speaker 2: is Trump doesn't have much of a filter when it
39:27
Speaker 2: comes to these things. Famously, when he was running for
39:29
Speaker 2: president in twenty fifteen, remember when he RiPP mccannon said,
39:32
Speaker 2: he's not a war hero. Why is the hero for
39:35
Speaker 2: getting caught? A lot of people thought that would sink
39:38
Speaker 2: his campaign. The people who supported Trump were perfectly fine
39:42
Speaker 2: with it because they knew, Ay, that's what Trump was.
39:45
Speaker 2: And b they think that John mccainn was a pain
39:47
Speaker 2: in the ass. Is shot off his mouth and acted
39:49
Speaker 2: superior to everybody else. Rob Reiner, though, was not as
39:55
Speaker 2: much as he was involved in politics. He wasn't officially
39:58
Speaker 2: a politician in the same way that cain was. You're
40:00
Speaker 2: listening to the Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark
40:06
Speaker 2: Belling Podcast. Now before the break, we were talking about
40:10
Speaker 2: kind of like the negative side of Trump. I want
40:14
Speaker 2: to turn to a story that's in the news right
40:17
Speaker 2: now that I think is the best of Trump. He's
40:22
Speaker 2: on an attack. They're linked. It's two separate issues kind of,
40:27
Speaker 2: but it's kind of the same issue and kind of separate.
40:33
Speaker 2: He's on a rampage on Venezuela and on fentanyl. They
40:39
Speaker 2: are connected. It is believed that a significant amount of
40:43
Speaker 2: the fenenol entering the United States is coming from Venezuela
40:46
Speaker 2: because the Venezuelans needs some way to bankroll their screwed
40:49
Speaker 2: up communist economy. Now clearly not all of it is
40:52
Speaker 2: coming from Venezuela, but it is related. Trump issued today
40:59
Speaker 2: a statement saying that Venezuela is essentially surrounded by an armada.
41:05
Speaker 2: I'll read the quote. This is actually from yesterday. Venezuela
41:08
Speaker 2: is completely surrounded by the largest armada ever assembled in
41:11
Speaker 2: the history of South America. It will only get bigger
41:14
Speaker 2: until such time as they returned to the United States
41:16
Speaker 2: of America all of the oil, land, and other assets
41:20
Speaker 2: that they have previously stole from US. I am ordered
41:23
Speaker 2: I have ordering a total and complete blockade of all
41:26
Speaker 2: sanctioned oil takers going in or out of Venezuela. As
41:32
Speaker 2: they've said, much of the drug trade, much of the
41:35
Speaker 2: international smuggling of migrants in Central America and South America,
41:42
Speaker 2: is some cartills that are headquartered in Venezuela. Trump could
41:46
Speaker 2: easily ignore the Venezuelan problem. Venezuela has been a cancer
41:52
Speaker 2: that has affected all of us in the Western hemisphere
41:54
Speaker 2: ever since Hugo Chavez came in and overthrew everything. They
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Speaker 2: nationalized the oil companies, stole everybody's money. He's the Fidel
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Speaker 2: Castro Venezuela. People have been terribly abused. The number you know.
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Speaker 2: I spend a few months in South Florida. It's crawling
42:10
Speaker 2: with Venezuelan refugees, people who have gotten out and tried
42:13
Speaker 2: to get as much as their money as they could
42:15
Speaker 2: before the government down there stole it. Trump doesn't have
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Speaker 2: to be messing with this, but he realizes that unlike
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Speaker 2: some countries in the world, in which the problem is
42:24
Speaker 2: confined to that country, the Venezuelan problem is affecting people
42:28
Speaker 2: in the middle class in the United States, in part
42:31
Speaker 2: because of the component of fenool, which gets me. That
42:33
Speaker 2: brings me to the next week. Fenenol is Trump is
42:36
Speaker 2: now describing fentanol. He has classified fentanol as a weapon
42:39
Speaker 2: of mass destruction. There are some people who believe that
42:47
Speaker 2: this is hyperbole. Is it what has damaged more Americans?
42:56
Speaker 2: Terrorist bombs are fentanyl. I'm serious, and I'm not saying
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Speaker 2: that we have not been badly damaged by terrorists, and
43:05
Speaker 2: I'll add in terrorist attacks, which is what I think
43:07
Speaker 2: Brown University was. We'll find out soon enough. I think
43:17
Speaker 2: that the fentanyl crisis gets yawns from the elite because
43:21
Speaker 2: while it's certainly true that some elitists are on fenool
43:24
Speaker 2: and every now and then you'll hear about a celebrity
43:26
Speaker 2: that's addicted to it, it's by and large regular Americans.
43:32
Speaker 2: Now celebrities abuse drugs like crazy, but we just have
43:35
Speaker 2: not had a lot of cases of celebrities O ding
43:37
Speaker 2: on fedanol. And I have a theory on this. Well, Matthew,
43:42
Speaker 2: but he that was kend of it. It was, it
43:44
Speaker 2: wasn't fedanyl. But you rarely hear of a big time
43:47
Speaker 2: celebrity O ding on fetanyl. But on the other hand,
43:49
Speaker 2: look at Mekwan cedar Berg New Berlin. Somebody's dropping data
43:54
Speaker 2: fetanyl all the time. My theory is is that the
43:57
Speaker 2: people in the elite with a lot of money are
43:59
Speaker 2: able to have I know that this sounds stupid, but
44:02
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say it. A reputable drug dealer, in
44:05
Speaker 2: other words, they're drug dealers. Are drug dealers the cater
44:08
Speaker 2: to the rich and the famous, and they count on them,
44:11
Speaker 2: not lacing their stuff with fenidol. Also, some of the
44:15
Speaker 2: people in this category, the recreational drug users on the
44:19
Speaker 2: left and all of this stuff, they know enough. Okay,
44:21
Speaker 2: I'll do I'll even do my hairin I'll do my this,
44:24
Speaker 2: that and the other thing. But I'm gonna stay away
44:25
Speaker 2: from fentanyl and I'm gonna stay away from meth. Whereas
44:28
Speaker 2: somebody who just gets targeted, some twenty five year old
44:31
Speaker 2: person who's got the blues and somebody gives them a thing.
44:34
Speaker 2: I just think that there is not much of a
44:36
Speaker 2: concern in the elite in this country about fenidol. But
44:38
Speaker 2: in Middle America people realize that this is a terrible
44:41
Speaker 2: Who doesn't you're up there in Cedarburg. How many people
44:44
Speaker 2: do you know the diet of fentanyl? It's got to
44:46
Speaker 2: be more than fingers on your hand right all over?
44:49
Speaker 2: Everybody does. Again, why is Trump focusing so hard on fenandyl?
44:54
Speaker 2: I think he cares about this. Every politician of lip service.
45:00
Speaker 2: We're gonna crack grown on drug smuggling. They all say that,
45:03
Speaker 2: and you could even if you catch somebody, make sure
45:07
Speaker 2: they get good sentences. Trump is going after the distributors
45:10
Speaker 2: from overseas that are bringing this in this hole to
45:15
Speaker 2: do about whether or not the drug bull should have
45:17
Speaker 2: been hit the second time. You know my position on
45:20
Speaker 2: this good Aside from whether or not they were going
45:24
Speaker 2: to reload. I got bigger problems in my life than
45:27
Speaker 2: worrying about whether or not some drug dealer got killed
45:30
Speaker 2: out there as they were trying to bring drugs into
45:32
Speaker 2: the United States. I think the fact that Trump has
45:35
Speaker 2: made this issue a priority is particularly to his credit,
45:43
Speaker 2: because what with everything else that's on his plate out there,
45:47
Speaker 2: he doesn't have to be devoting that many resources to this,
45:50
Speaker 2: and it is unusual that a president would work his
45:52
Speaker 2: way into this. I want to get to the Brown
45:54
Speaker 2: University keys. I think you can see this in a
45:59
Speaker 2: mile away. This case is being butchered. Why let's start
46:06
Speaker 2: with this university police departments. I'll be honest with you.
46:10
Speaker 2: Some are very good, some stink. Go back to the
46:14
Speaker 2: whole Charlie Kirk thing. The initial response is from the
46:16
Speaker 2: university police that are on the campus there. They didn't
46:19
Speaker 2: know what they were doing, probably didn't know what they're doing.
46:21
Speaker 2: They're university police. They generally don't have a situation like
46:24
Speaker 2: this shooting that's going on out of the middle of
46:29
Speaker 2: nowhere and brought the University police of the first l
46:31
Speaker 2: of seed. I think they completely screwed this thing up.
46:35
Speaker 2: Then you've got the Providence Rhode Island Police Department. Providence
46:37
Speaker 2: is as democratic as you can possibly be. First they
46:42
Speaker 2: haul somebody in and say that he's a person of interest,
46:46
Speaker 2: and then his name is Lake. This poor guy from Cedarberg,
46:49
Speaker 2: he had nothing to do with anything. They hauled in
46:51
Speaker 2: the wrong guy in for thirty six hours. Whoever it
46:54
Speaker 2: was they did it is out there in the wind.
46:58
Speaker 1: Now.
47:00
Speaker 2: The FBI always has to play catch up. The FBI
47:02
Speaker 2: is not on the scene of these things. And when
47:04
Speaker 2: you have a crime like this, or somebody shooting somebody
47:06
Speaker 2: in an open air situation, your best chance of apprehension
47:10
Speaker 2: is the spot. I'm right there on the spot, witness testimony.
47:13
Speaker 2: Hope that there's a zillion cameras. Again, the guy's got
47:15
Speaker 2: mask and he's dressed in all black and so on.
47:18
Speaker 2: But immediate response is the first wait that if you
47:22
Speaker 2: don't get it, you're gonna have to dig through and
47:24
Speaker 2: talk to everybody. Is there anybody who had ill intent?
47:26
Speaker 2: Is there somebody who posted something? Do you know anybody
47:28
Speaker 2: that's been to radicalize or whatever. I don't even get
47:30
Speaker 2: the sense of Brown University that they're focusing on, for example,
47:34
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian people, the very people that are, or people
47:38
Speaker 2: that have some other type of motivation. I did find
47:42
Speaker 2: an interesting comment from Mark Helprin. I want to ask
47:45
Speaker 2: Paul who that is, because Paul struck out on every
47:47
Speaker 2: question I've asked her today. You should know Mark Helprin is.
47:50
Speaker 2: He's pretty prominent. You don't, don't, do you? You know the
47:53
Speaker 2: name that's like me saying yeah, I know Breaking Bad
47:58
Speaker 2: was a show, but I never I know that Walter
48:00
Speaker 2: White was the guy. And who's the actor of the
48:04
Speaker 2: Brian Cranston. I know he's very good. I've seen him
48:07
Speaker 2: and I know all of that. He's good in everything
48:09
Speaker 2: that he ever does. They're just certain actors that are
48:12
Speaker 2: what's the woman who started Fargo, She's won three oscar
48:15
Speaker 2: she's good in everything. Francis McDormand see, I knew that
48:18
Speaker 2: all right. Mark Helprin was a Democratic official who's now
48:23
Speaker 2: kind of a moderate. He's got a podcast, but he's
48:26
Speaker 2: a reasonable moderate. He appears on Megan Kelly's show, another
48:29
Speaker 2: conservative podcast. He also appears with Liberals He's one of
48:33
Speaker 2: these people that's actually just tries to honestly and accurately
48:36
Speaker 2: report on the news. And he's very well connected. He
48:39
Speaker 2: used to be with ABC and his ABC had a
48:41
Speaker 2: zillion sources. Anyway, Helprin posted this and I want to
48:47
Speaker 2: read here the quote. Helprin said, he has heard that
48:52
Speaker 2: the family of Ella Cook. Ella Cook was the Christian
48:56
Speaker 2: Conservative who was killed in the Brown University attack. Her
49:00
Speaker 2: family has been told that she was the shooter's target.
49:08
Speaker 2: Now we don't know that, but Mark Calprin said that
49:11
Speaker 2: her family has been given that information. Who they got
49:15
Speaker 2: it from, we don't know. But if that's the case,
49:18
Speaker 2: if all of this was simply somebody going there to
49:20
Speaker 2: kill somebody because she was a prominent Christian, which she was,
49:25
Speaker 2: to me, the evidence is overwhelming in our society that
49:30
Speaker 2: right now Jewish people and Christians are targeted globally. The
49:35
Speaker 2: Eve of Hanukkah attack what do they call it, Bondi
49:39
Speaker 2: Beach in Australia. There is a separate report out now
49:43
Speaker 2: today that the FBI has foiled plans to have multiple
49:47
Speaker 2: attacks on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day in Los Angeles.
49:52
Speaker 2: Pro Palestinian other radicalized people when you see some of
49:56
Speaker 2: these people that are radicalized, it's not just one issue
49:58
Speaker 2: that pro Palestinian, the pro Frans, they're pro Antifa, et cetera.
50:02
Speaker 2: They all seem to loathe the two religions Judaism and Christianity.
50:10
Speaker 2: You have to if you look at the globe, you'd
50:12
Speaker 2: have to keep a scorecardist to which one has had
50:15
Speaker 2: more attacks. If you add up all the attacks in Africa,
50:17
Speaker 2: whether it's genocide against Christians, it's probably Christians. Then you
50:21
Speaker 2: look at what's going on in American campus is the
50:23
Speaker 2: thing in Australia and so on. There is zero reason
50:28
Speaker 2: to believe that this is going to end. We live
50:31
Speaker 2: in a world at which non Christians, non Jews, a
50:34
Speaker 2: segment of them, clearly not all, but a segment of
50:37
Speaker 2: them that is not tiny, have been radicalized. And think
50:41
Speaker 2: that these people need to be killed. I think that's undeniable.
50:47
Speaker 2: You know, for those of you that are Christian. Jesus
50:49
Speaker 2: said this was going to happen. He implied that it
50:53
Speaker 2: was going to happen toward the end, that you're gonna
50:56
Speaker 2: be persecuted, you're gonna be killed. And again his message
50:58
Speaker 2: all was, but don't worry about it because in the
51:01
Speaker 2: end you're going to be saved if you're a believer
51:03
Speaker 2: in Me, and everything's gonna work out for you. But
51:05
Speaker 2: it's going to be terrible in the interiom. I don't
51:11
Speaker 2: know that in the history of the world there's again
51:14
Speaker 2: back in this olden days, you didn't have mass reporting
51:18
Speaker 2: in which something that happened way over here would be
51:20
Speaker 2: known about and so on. But these aren't scattered incidents. Religion.
51:28
Speaker 2: I think hatred of Jews, hatred of Christians is the
51:33
Speaker 2: driving force behind the vast majority of this violence. I
51:38
Speaker 2: believe it was certainly the driving force behind the murder
51:40
Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk. Go on to the list. You're listening
51:45
Speaker 2: to the Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark Belling podcast.
51:53
Speaker 2: Every now and then, early on the show, we were
51:56
Speaker 2: talking about how Susie Wilds, Trumps chief of se was
52:00
Speaker 2: way too open and talking to this reporter for Vanity
52:03
Speaker 2: Fair magazine. Every now and then, some lefty i mean
52:08
Speaker 2: lefty shoot off their mouths about everything, but they're usually
52:12
Speaker 2: pretty good at keeping their mouths shut at certain parts
52:15
Speaker 2: of their agenda, are certain things they plan to do.
52:19
Speaker 2: For instance, whoever it was that convinced Joe Biden to
52:21
Speaker 2: totally open up the border. When Biden ran in twenty twenty,
52:24
Speaker 2: they were they didn't come up. Joe's gonna get it.
52:26
Speaker 2: We're gonna open up the border. This comment is made
52:30
Speaker 2: by Representative Mark D. Sagnier. He's from California. He was
52:35
Speaker 2: on a podcast and he was asked, you know, in
52:40
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty sixty elections, I think most people think
52:42
Speaker 2: it's likely the Democrats are gonna win both the Senate
52:45
Speaker 2: and the House. No, here's the thing that I can
52:50
Speaker 2: guarantee you before I get to this guy's comment, The
52:53
Speaker 2: impeachment hearings will begin the moment they're all sworn in
52:57
Speaker 2: the House. Control is controlled by the Democrats. They can
53:00
Speaker 2: and well the hearing on anything and the impeachment hearings
53:02
Speaker 2: will start. D soigner. The way impeachment works is you
53:05
Speaker 2: need to get a fifty percent vote on conviction in
53:07
Speaker 2: the House, and fifty percent vote rather to impeach in
53:10
Speaker 2: the House, and than two thirds in the Senate. The
53:12
Speaker 2: two thirds in the Senate to convict is the hard one.
53:15
Speaker 2: Who knows, however, how strong the Republican majority in the
53:18
Speaker 2: Senate will be. Let's imagine they get it to sixty
53:21
Speaker 2: one or sixty two, and among the Republicans that are
53:23
Speaker 2: left are Susan Collins. And I'll ask on a couple
53:26
Speaker 2: of the moderates, is it theoretically possible that Trump could
53:30
Speaker 2: be removed from waffas I suppose anyway? D Saigner was
53:34
Speaker 2: asked by a lefty podcast hoster, is it possible that
53:40
Speaker 2: you if the Democrats get control in twenty six, they
53:44
Speaker 2: will impeach both Trump and Vance, which would mean, you
53:48
Speaker 2: know who's third in line for president president and vice
53:50
Speaker 2: president Speaker of the House. It would mean his came, Jeffries,
53:53
Speaker 2: would become the president of the United States. Now, the
53:56
Speaker 2: safeguard against this is if you would convict and impeach
53:59
Speaker 2: and convict Vance gets in and he would immediately try
54:02
Speaker 2: to name his replacements, so you don't have a vacancy,
54:05
Speaker 2: and the vice president so fall to the speaker. But
54:08
Speaker 2: there's a problem with this. The vice president needs to
54:11
Speaker 2: be confirmed by the Senate. They could theoretically impeach Trump,
54:17
Speaker 2: begin impeachment processes and remove Trump, be in impeachment processes
54:21
Speaker 2: on vans, and not confirm Vance's nominee to replace himself
54:26
Speaker 2: as vice president. So that that position is vacant and
54:29
Speaker 2: then remove him. As I say, it seems farfetched, and
54:32
Speaker 2: I think it's farfetched, but this guy was asked, Yeah,
54:35
Speaker 2: it's possible, we'll do that, and don't think for a
54:38
Speaker 2: moment if they thought they could pull it off, they
54:40
Speaker 2: wouldn't remember. These are the people that say we're out
54:43
Speaker 2: there defending democracy. They couldn't care less about democracy. They
54:46
Speaker 2: would just assume repudiate democracy in order to put themselves
54:49
Speaker 2: back in the power. That's it for today's podcast, But
54:55
Speaker 2: never fear the next one will be number one hundred.
54:59
Speaker 2: It was a few that you have to come it
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Speaker 2: almost because you put the number right out of the thing.
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Speaker 2: Number one hundred is the next one. That's not a
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