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5-28-26 Hour 3 - Jeff Legwold/The power of "Desire," Flopping vs selling calls/SGA's cease and desist · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 3: ramas Law dot com. Jeff Lagweld of ESPN dot com
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  Speaker 3: joins us.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Hello, Jeff, morning fellows. Uh so we're just talking
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  Speaker 2: about this. Earlier.
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  Speaker 3: On December fourteenth of last year, Patrick Mahomes leaves with
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  Speaker 3: a knee injury torn acl in LCL. He gets that prepared, repaired,
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  Speaker 3: they should say, and he is on the field for
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  Speaker 3: day one of OTA's with the Chiefs. A month and
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  Speaker 3: three days later, Bo Nix breaks his ankle in the
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  Speaker 3: divisional round of the playoffs. If the Broncos were to
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  Speaker 3: start OTAs, he would not be on the field.
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  Speaker 4: Is that weird?
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  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, look, I'm obviously I was not a medical
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  Speaker 6: school attendee, but just from watching the video of Mahomes throwing,
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  Speaker 6: and I actually asked a team doctor friend of mine
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  Speaker 6: for another team, not the Broncos, but if he had
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  Speaker 6: seen the video, and he said he had and he
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  Speaker 6: said he would be very surprised if Mahomes could play
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  Speaker 6: week one. So I think, you know, just because the
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  Speaker 6: guys on the field doesn't always mean you know. It
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  Speaker 6: just means that he probably pushed for it, wanted to
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  Speaker 6: be out there to show his teammates or himself. A
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  Speaker 6: lot of times guys just want a reward for all
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  Speaker 6: the rehab because it's so you know, alone and by
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  Speaker 6: yourself and just grinding through the rehab with your the
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  Speaker 6: trainers and everything. So sometimes the guys just want a
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  Speaker 6: little reward and they give it to him. But I
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  Speaker 6: don't think we can take anything by who participates right now.
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  Speaker 6: I think the opening of camp is really the indication
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  Speaker 6: of where things are.
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  Speaker 7: It's just it's it's pretty interesting. Jeff, here's I guess
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  Speaker 7: the spudy.
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  Speaker 8: Sense in me, Uh, just get a little there's a
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  Speaker 8: little bit behind schedule. Maybe maybe not, but maybe you
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  Speaker 8: know it's it's one of those it's one of those
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  Speaker 8: kind of spidey sense things that you can't really explain.
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  Speaker 7: I'm probably worried about nothing.
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  Speaker 6: No, I mean most like, they don't do a second
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  Speaker 6: surgery if nothing's going on. I mean, if you're just recovering,
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  Speaker 6: you know, fine, they don't do a second procedure, you know,
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  Speaker 6: no matter how they frame it, which and they have
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  Speaker 6: framed it as if you know it was a given from.
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  Speaker 5: The start, that it's he's just one.
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  Speaker 6: Of several players who had a clean up procedure, all
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  Speaker 6: of these things. But you know, I I sort of
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  Speaker 6: live in the beat writer world of simplicity. When I
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  Speaker 6: see him with my own eyes doing quarterback things, then
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  Speaker 6: I'll I'll say, Okay, he's you know, he's back. He's fine,
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  Speaker 6: he's doing his thing. But you know, I don't think
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  Speaker 6: we're gonna see much of that in the OTAs next
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  Speaker 6: week or the week after or maybe you know, mini
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  Speaker 6: camp is what I keep hearing. Then they let him
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  Speaker 6: do some limited work, you know, and maybe in seven
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  Speaker 6: on seven, eleven on eleven something. But I keep hearing
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  Speaker 6: the mini camp, which is third week of June, that
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  Speaker 6: he may do something.
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  Speaker 7: Vic's doing a thing with von tonight, big charity thing,
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  Speaker 7: which is awesome.
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  Speaker 5: I saw him. I saw Vaughn last night.
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  Speaker 7: Yep, register registory, read the whole thing. Oh he's trying
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  Speaker 7: arm outside of ramming his car through the gate and
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  Speaker 7: parking it in the lot. It feels like he's done
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  Speaker 7: just about every parachuting into the practice facility right out
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  Speaker 7: of Centennial, feels like he's doing everything else just to
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  Speaker 7: try to get a last taste with the Orange and Blue.
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  Speaker 2: Does the Broncos need a restraining letner?
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  Speaker 4: Jess?
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  Speaker 5: You know it? Maybe.
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  Speaker 6: Look, I've known Vaughon since he was since he came
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  Speaker 6: into the draft, you know, twenty eleven. So we've traveled
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  Speaker 6: a lot of road together. I've I've talked to him
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  Speaker 6: hundreds of times, you know, texts or whatever. But this
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  Speaker 6: isn't phony. I mean, he really, really really would like
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  Speaker 6: them to give him the proverbial last ride. I just
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  Speaker 6: don't know that they have the snaps to do it.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, I'm going to be intrigued. Other teams
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  Speaker 6: need a pass rusher and he'll have some options when
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  Speaker 6: CA gets closer.
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  Speaker 2: But what's the argument against the depth of having him though?
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  Speaker 2: If you're the Broncos, you.
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  Speaker 6: Know, I think it's it's just Sean Payton's gauge on
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  Speaker 6: what does it do to the locker room? If those
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  Speaker 6: third down snaps? You know, are you going to be
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  Speaker 6: able to play Cooper Bonito and Vaughn at the same time, right,
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  Speaker 6: and that you know, where do those snaps come from?
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  Speaker 6: Are people upset? You just paid Nick Benino one hundred
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  Speaker 6: million dollars and he is the pass rusher for the Broncos.
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  Speaker 5: There's no question even Vaughn says that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, von basically is framing this that he played
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  Speaker 6: thirty seven percent of the snaps for the Commanders last
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  Speaker 6: year and that he could play thirty percent of the
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  Speaker 6: snaps for the Broncos. And it's really who doesn't get
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  Speaker 6: those thirty percent of snaps? And are you getting developmental?
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  Speaker 6: You know, all of it just how it fits. And
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  Speaker 6: but I did find it interesting that he admitted he
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  Speaker 6: had lobbied Sean at that flag football event in Los
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  Speaker 6: Angeles and wasn't kid around. He was really lobbying him
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  Speaker 6: to to try. So you know again it's it's in
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  Speaker 6: some ways tough to see because he wants something that
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  Speaker 6: that may not be able to work out.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he wants a DeMarcus where.
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  Speaker 6: Championship run you know, at the at the tail end
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  Speaker 6: of his career. DeMarcus played one more year after the
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  Speaker 6: Super Bowl, but he wants that vibe, you know how
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  Speaker 6: DeMarcus was looked at in the Broncos locker room those years.
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  Speaker 5: His standing in the league.
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  Speaker 6: You know all of it, and you know, on a
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  Speaker 6: personal level, I know, Vaughn wants to be in the
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  Speaker 6: top ten sacks all time, and he's he's sitting at thirteen.
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  Speaker 6: He could get in the top ten with like six
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  Speaker 6: or seven. I think, so all of that's at work.
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  Speaker 6: He's thirty seven, and this is kind of what it
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  Speaker 6: looks like when star players are, you know, nearing the end.
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  Speaker 6: They and they've sort of come to terms with the
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  Speaker 6: clock is ticking.
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  Speaker 3: the job and with the career. One thing we're kicking around.
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  Speaker 3: If you're just talking about what will have the bigger
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  Speaker 3: potential impact on the Broncos offense, would you say the
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  Speaker 3: bigger potential impact is the acquisition of Jalen Waddle or
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  Speaker 3: the fact that Davis Webb is now in charge of
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  Speaker 3: play calling.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I still say Web's the biggest deal because we
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  Speaker 6: don't know yet is it going to be you know
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  Speaker 6: how much flavor is Davis Webb going to be allowed
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  Speaker 6: to add. We don't know the answer to that yet.
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  Speaker 6: If if they're much quicker before the snap, if they're
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  Speaker 6: much quicker getting plays in, if they subless, if they
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  Speaker 6: move quicker on offense, we know he's having an impact.
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  Speaker 6: And then some of the past concepts we just got
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  Speaker 6: to see and where the run game fits. You know,
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  Speaker 6: are they going to have halves where they run the
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  Speaker 6: ball three times? You know, after saying all week we
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  Speaker 6: need to run the ball. You know, those types of
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  Speaker 6: things We're not going to know until we see. And
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  Speaker 6: you know, I'll be honest with you. In the league,
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  Speaker 6: and awful lot of people are still skeptical Sean is
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  Speaker 6: going to step back far enough to give Davis a
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  Speaker 6: lot of impact.
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  Speaker 5: So we don't know the answers to that yet.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know the answers to what makes a team work,
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  Speaker 7: what doesn't make a team work. Would Sean Payton allow
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  Speaker 7: his quarterback to miss OTAs to flood to Europe to
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  Speaker 7: support his singer songwriter wife for a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I think it would be a discussion. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: attendance in the off season is a lot more spotty
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  Speaker 6: than me.
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  Speaker 7: You're you're you're probably because I was looking at Herbert.
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  Speaker 7: I know that Harball said, hey, you need a ride
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  Speaker 7: of the airport, I'll drive you there for credit. I
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  Speaker 7: don't Yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Think he needed that.
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  Speaker 7: But but but I mean, is it does that mean
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  Speaker 7: that the Harbaugh and Herbert are so locked in it's
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  Speaker 7: it's no big deal, is at it?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: And I think, look, Shawn has told people he's not
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  Speaker 6: concerned about Bo's injury because Bo doesn't need OTAs you
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  Speaker 6: know at this point, he's got a good handle on things.
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  Speaker 5: So I think.
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  Speaker 6: You know, in a lot of times when teams say, oh,
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  Speaker 6: we had ninety eight percent attendance, they mean that ninety
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  Speaker 6: eight percent of the players showed up for one or
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  Speaker 6: two days a week of odas you know, there's or
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  Speaker 6: the off season conditioning. There's four days a week of
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  Speaker 6: right now conditioning work going on. Not every player goes
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  Speaker 6: to all four days every single week. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: so there is some of that at work. Yeah, you'd
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  Speaker 6: love the high profile guys to be around. But let's
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  Speaker 6: say if the guard, if the right guard missed to
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  Speaker 6: support his girlfriend, I doubt many people would notice you know.
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  Speaker 6: But if it's justin Herbert, you got to explain it
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  Speaker 6: a little bit. So I think there's some of that.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, by the way, Jeff, if you need mouth them out,
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  Speaker 7: don't call me.
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  Speaker 5: No, I would not, I know, man, I stand alone.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, good, good, Well.
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  Speaker 7: It sounds like you had what moj had about two
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  Speaker 7: months ago or a month and a half ago.
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  Speaker 5: And it's too much, too much talkie talkie on the phone.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I gotta, I gotta get off the work
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  Speaker 6: hamster wheel. At some point I got too much, Jeff
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  Speaker 6: thought you knew you work too much talkie talkie.
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  Speaker 5: I gotta just settle it down a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, one more talkie talkie and then we'll let you go.
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  Speaker 5: Nah, I'm good.
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  Speaker 3: Bill Barnwell he had the best and worst free agent
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  Speaker 3: signings or offseason moves, I guess, for every team, and
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  Speaker 3: for his worst, he listed failing to address the departure
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  Speaker 3: of John Franklin Myers for the Broncos.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I would argue, although it feels.
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  Speaker 3: Less consequential because their draft picks wards premium, they did
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  Speaker 3: use their first pick on a defensive lineman and Tyler
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  Speaker 3: ony deem like is that addressing it or not.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think some of that's the standing of the team.
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  Speaker 6: If that's the worst move you can come up with
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  Speaker 6: for a fourteen win team, I mean it's all relative. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: he's not saying that's the worst move anybody.
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  Speaker 7: Made right right in the league, right.
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  Speaker 6: Saying this team is pretty settled, and you know, of
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  Speaker 6: all the things they did or didn't do in the offseason,
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  Speaker 6: you know that that's a lot of snaps that have
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  Speaker 6: to be filled. That is a question mark. You know
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  Speaker 6: what is that five hundred snats?
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  Speaker 7: And I said that, I said, I want you to
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  Speaker 7: expand on this because I said the caner. I go
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  Speaker 7: in a team like this where they rotate guys and
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  Speaker 7: it's all for one on one for all. That's awesome,
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  Speaker 7: but you never know how much that won. He's a
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  Speaker 7: big piece because he's the big ugly in the middle.
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  Speaker 7: You never know how that one cog in the entire wheel.
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  Speaker 7: You know what it supports and what it doesn't. And
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  Speaker 7: let's say during the course of a game that the
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  Speaker 7: kid has four losses against a blocking assignment, you know
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  Speaker 7: on him that Myers would win and the kid loses.
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  Speaker 7: Is that the difference in keeping a drive alive a
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  Speaker 7: game alive.
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  Speaker 5: I think the answer is yeah, And we don't know
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  Speaker 5: the answer to that, right right. They played.
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  Speaker 6: Jasa Rique in those snaps that Franklin Myers didn't play
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  Speaker 6: last year. He's still around, but I'll just say Zach
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  Speaker 6: Allen led the league, led the league, not ahead of
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  Speaker 6: Miles Garrett, I had of Will Anderson, ahead of everybody
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  Speaker 6: in quarterback hits. And Zach Allen says if he ever
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  Speaker 6: buys a beach house, he's gonna call it the John
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  Speaker 6: Franklin Myers House. Yeah, because that's the kind of impact
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  Speaker 6: that Franklin Myers had. So again that's not a position
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  Speaker 6: we talk about. But those I always look at off
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  Speaker 6: seasons are how do you replace the snaps, not the
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  Speaker 6: people as it were. You know that's important, but those
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  Speaker 6: are snaps they have to fill and as they go
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  Speaker 6: to camp, other than bo Nix's ankle, that's probably the
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  Speaker 6: biggest question they have on the field.
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  Speaker 3: Jeff lasting for you. So at Commander's camp, Javon Kinlaw
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  Speaker 3: had a sort of new way of using punctuation and
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  Speaker 3: commas where he would just say the S word.
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  Speaker 2: It sounded like.
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  Speaker 4: This, yeah, we cuss.
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  Speaker 6: Excuse my language, but yeah, all the way he can go,
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  Speaker 6: Charles Mini who can go, Kay Levon can go, Tim Settle,
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  Speaker 6: he can go.
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  Speaker 2: It goes on and on and on from there.
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  Speaker 3: I want to ask you, you've been covering this game
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  Speaker 3: for as we play every intro before we talk to
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  Speaker 3: you been covering this game for a while. The most
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  Speaker 3: prolific curse word user that you've covered is.
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  Speaker 6: Ooh, that's an excellent question. Uh, some days it's me sad. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I have to admit my in season behavior is not
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  Speaker 6: always awesome on the profanity front.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, I'll say the funniest is there was a defensive
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  Speaker 6: line coach for the Titans who, away from football was
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  Speaker 6: possibly the nicest human being I've ever been around, Jim Washburn.
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  Speaker 6: But when you put him on a football field, I'm
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  Speaker 6: not sure any human being could swing profanity like he could.
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  Speaker 6: But it was amazing because away from the field he
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  Speaker 6: was easily one of the five nicest people I've ever
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  Speaker 6: been around in in in football, but yeah, he was
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  Speaker 6: a pro pro profanity. Greg Lloyd probably of the Steelers
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  Speaker 6: way back wash This is pre internet, so pre social media,
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  Speaker 6: more common back then when guys weren't on camera all
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  Speaker 6: the time. But Greg Lloyd aired me out a few
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  Speaker 6: times that were, uh, that was pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at a picture Jim Washburn. That guy concurse, No,
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  Speaker 3: he just just just buy a phone.
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  Speaker 2: That guy, he throws one of them.
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  Speaker 6: One of the nicest people I've ever been around as
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  Speaker 6: a human being. Like, if you needed anything, Jim Washburn
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  Speaker 6: would like come fix your car by groceries. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: he would do anything for you. Players loved him, but
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  Speaker 6: he said absolutely some of the funniest things I've ever heard.
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  Speaker 6: I once filled in on baseball in Pittsburgh and they
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  Speaker 6: got killed in Montreal.
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  Speaker 5: I was on a road trip with the Pirates. They
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  Speaker 5: got killed in Montreal.
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  Speaker 6: They stole the Expos stole like fifty seven bases on
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  Speaker 6: Denny Nagel and I kept it on tape for a
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  Speaker 6: long time. But Jim Leland absolutely imploded after the game,
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  Speaker 6: and he was pulling his jersey over his head and
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  Speaker 6: he got stuck and he was cussing as he was
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  Speaker 6: stuck in his jersey spinning around in the room, and
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  Speaker 6: it was hard not to laugh. There's only like three
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  Speaker 6: of us in the room. You're trying not to laugh
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  Speaker 6: because he's furious. But he was stuck in his shirt,
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  Speaker 6: spinning around and at one point I kept the tape forever.
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  Speaker 6: At one point there were nine words in a row
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  Speaker 6: that were just.
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  Speaker 5: Cuss words awesome with.
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  Speaker 6: With no other words in between it, and it was.
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  Speaker 6: It was one of the most amazing meltdowns ever.
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  Speaker 2: Did he did he have a heater lit while he
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  Speaker 2: was doing it?
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  Speaker 5: Oh? God, yes, yeah he had.
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  Speaker 6: He had like the burn marks on his hand where
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  Speaker 6: he was cupping it in the dugout because he wasn't
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  Speaker 6: supposed to smoke. And I came in before BP one
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  Speaker 6: time he was smoking with the patch on.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, dude's then patch.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I said, if you read the box it says
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  Speaker 6: like your heart will explode if you do that. It's like,
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  Speaker 6: oh okay, but anyway, but yeah, there.
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  Speaker 5: Were nine words in a row. I had never heard
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  Speaker 5: anything like it.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: I love to hear it one day. So that is
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  Speaker 3: Jeff Legwell ESPN. I con joyes every week. Always appreciate
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  Speaker 3: the insight, like you.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, buddy, thanks fallas.
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  Speaker 5: We'll say it.
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  Speaker 9: Stop talking, stop talking too much talking. God, he was
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  Speaker 9: about to throw nine.
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  Speaker 7: We've all been there though, dude, he I mean, Jeff
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  Speaker 7: he is a worker. Yeah, I don't think the guy.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, he just busts his hump. Something to be
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  Speaker 7: said for that.
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  Speaker 2: There is Jim lins Man, by the way, when he
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  Speaker 2: was dude.
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  Speaker 7: There's a voicemail. I don't I got to see if
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  Speaker 7: it still exists. Guy used to sleep at the Bullpark.
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  Speaker 7: You know that he lived at the Bullpark? Yep, just
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  Speaker 7: great stuff.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of those guys like that. All right, all
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  Speaker 2: guests join us on the ramas the hot line back
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  Speaker 2: after this.
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  Speaker 10: That says only one thing about the Colorado Avalanche.
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  Speaker 4: We were a.
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  Speaker 10: Better team, we were more talented, and we were definitely
• 18:43
  Speaker 10: a quicker team out there. But there's one reason why
• 18:45
  Speaker 10: a defensive team can come out on top of a
• 18:47
  Speaker 10: scenario like that, especially against the team as good and
• 18:50
  Speaker 10: deep as the Ads, And it is one thing desire.
• 18:53
  Speaker 10: How bad do you want to win that game? How
• 18:56
  Speaker 10: bad do you want to get to that puck? How
• 18:57
  Speaker 10: bad do you want to get it on net? And
• 18:59
  Speaker 10: how bad do you want to get that rebound.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: You can always get in touch with us on the
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Voice of the People, like Stuopy did right there. It's
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: on the Altitude Sports radio app. Hit that microphone at
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the bottom, and it.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Goes straight to Nelly's ears.
• 19:12
  Speaker 11: I don't know if I necessarily agree with all that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 11: Otherwise the most desirous teams would win every year. Otherwise,
• 19:21
  Speaker 11: talent has to play a role. Luck has to play
• 19:23
  Speaker 11: a role. There's a lot of things that play into this.
• 19:26
  Speaker 11: It can't be just desire, it can't be.
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: It's all encompassing desire in any given shift and change
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: the course of a period, change the course of a game,
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: change the course of a series. But it's all encompassing,
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: that is correct.
• 19:45
  Speaker 11: I mean, did brock Nelson desire to score when he
• 19:48
  Speaker 11: was all by himself.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: In front of Carter Hart?
• 19:52
  Speaker 11: Was there a desire there?
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I think Again, to kind of go back to where
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: we were the day after the game, I think there
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: was a problem that was yesterday brutt I don't know
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: what they were on anymore. I think there was a
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: problem mentally with the Avs. But it wasn't a matter
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: of desire. I don't think it was a matter of toughness.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I really think it was confidence, and people confuse these Sometimes.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Confidence is so.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Much different than a want to, because you can play
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: poorly by trying too hard. I mean, that's where The
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: term gripping your sticks a little bit too tight comes from.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: That's where you know, if a guy's slumping at the
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: plate and baseball, he wants to hit a liner, but
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: he's almost like he's trying too much and not being
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: loose enough.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: If you got a couple of things.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: That bounced your way, if brock Nelson was able to
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: finish one of those shots where he's wide open in
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: front with him and Carter Hart, I think that it
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: could make a world a difference because then that could
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: permeate through the team. Like do you think that Vegas
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: wanted it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: More than you?
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Or do you think that Vegas was playing much more
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: confidently than you were?
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Because I think it was confidence.
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: I think, well, yeah, it's it's that esoteric jam that
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: you can't you can't quantify the esoteric jam. And you
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: know what, I don't care whether you people out there
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: choose to believe.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Me or not.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: You should, but I know what I know, and I
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: know what i've known. I know what I've known now
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: for thirty years.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: The esoteric jam is unquantifiable, and sometimes you got it
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: and sometimes you lose it. It sucks when you lose it.
• 21:49
  Speaker 12: The esoteric jam. New band name, I did it?
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: You know what? That would be a killer band name. Hey,
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: down at the paramount esoteric sham.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Hm, that's my esoteric jam.
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: That's gross jam.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: That's called watch.
• 22:10
  Speaker 11: You know my when when I'm done with life and
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: I'm six feet under and I'm thinking by myself, I'm
• 22:19
  Speaker 11: just thinking, as they're proceeding to read the Rosary, I'm
• 22:24
  Speaker 11: gonna think that I left this world a better places.
• 22:27
  Speaker 11: I told I taught my boys the word twatch.
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: It's funny.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I've just never heard a word that you have to
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: whisper the end of it, and that, I.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Guess is the proper way to say.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: What's funny about that word? All right?
• 22:44
  Speaker 11: Which means not in the dialect version of our Italian
• 22:48
  Speaker 11: it's a dialect. If you walked up to a real
• 22:50
  Speaker 11: Italian and said twatch, they would look at you and say,
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: what the hell.
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: Are you talking about.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I've never heard of that term in my life.
• 22:57
  Speaker 11: It is so the word esoteric from most it's so
• 23:00
  Speaker 11: assoteric to the small region of the country. Nobody outside
• 23:04
  Speaker 11: that region knows what the hell you're referring to.
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: It would be like in the backwoods of Georgia. Yeah,
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: if they had a little something something, that's what it
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: would be.
• 23:13
  Speaker 11: So next time your your babies, your baby girls, because
• 23:16
  Speaker 11: a lot of baby girls walk around with chwatchland and boys.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah you tell you tell people how you clean up
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: that twatch?
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe Jamal kill.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: But okay, so here's something else I want this for you.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: This was Pat McAfee show. He had Adam Silver on
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: and they were talking about flopping. And this is a
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: big subject because you can't watch a Spurs and well
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: more specifically a Thunder game without having that be like
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: front of mind, because not only is it like right
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: there in front of you, it's now become the main
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: talking point.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: It comes. It's so crazy where basketball.
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: It is the number one theme of the series and
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: people are not even paying attention to the series because
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: all they're talking about is the historyonics within the series.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: So they asked them about this, the flopping in the NBA.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Here's Adam Silver's response.
• 24:13
  Speaker 13: I would only say that there's a difference between selling
• 24:16
  Speaker 13: a call exaggeration and a true flop, which is where
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: you're actually fooling the referees. I think sometimes even as
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: I sit in the stands at games, players may be
• 24:25
  Speaker 13: falling down players may be reacting to a call, but
• 24:27
  Speaker 13: then to me, if they're not fooling the referees, it's like, okay,
• 24:31
  Speaker 13: that's like the players are taught to sell calls these days.
• 24:34
  Speaker 13: I mean, can officiating get bad? Can officiating get better?
• 24:38
  Speaker 13: Of course we're always working on that. Ken officials get
• 24:41
  Speaker 13: fooled occasionally, we're always looking that as well. But the
• 24:44
  Speaker 13: officiating is incredible.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: See but I still, and I've said this for Adam Silver,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: the fact that this is the main discussion for Look,
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: this could be a dynastic team. This could be one
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: of the better teams that's existed in decades. And the
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: one thing that you're pointing to is they get a whistle.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: That's that's the one number one thing that they talk
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: about when they talk about the thunder.
• 25:07
  Speaker 11: I disagree with this tenant there. I mean, why not
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: just draw the line he said there's a difference between
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: selling a call and flopping. I know what he's talking about, right,
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: selling a call? Nicole Jokis does it a tony? He
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: wants people to know he's getting fouled, So what does
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: he do?
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I actually hate that stuff too, But yeah.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: So why not just say this? Why not just go
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: to this tactic.
• 25:26
  Speaker 11: How about you just draw a line and say you're
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: not allowed to sell the call anymore. Yeah, even if
• 25:31
  Speaker 11: you're fouled, even if a guy has you by the neck,
• 25:34
  Speaker 11: you cannot sell anything.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: There's no selling.
• 25:37
  Speaker 11: This is not a transaction, no transactional sell of calls.
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: If you sell a call, we will whistle you for
• 25:45
  Speaker 11: a foul.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: About we go there.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: When did we get to selling calls? When did it
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: become most prevalent?
• 25:51
  Speaker 11: Well, okay, let me think about this because in the eighties,
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: during the we would watch some games in the eighties
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: with the Mestins the bad boys.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: Think it's it's Manu Ginobili. I think is one that
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: I think it happened in the early two thousands. In
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: the early two thousands, Manu, that bunch started doing you
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: know when they shoot, they do this number?
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: You know this.
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: That started there, and then people learned that if you
• 26:15
  Speaker 11: accentuate the follow through, if you accentuate all that or
• 26:19
  Speaker 11: more players started doing it. It's gotten to the point
• 26:22
  Speaker 11: now where you cannot differentiate between athleticism and theater. When
• 26:27
  Speaker 11: you've arrived at the point where athleticism and theater, it
• 26:30
  Speaker 11: takes you a while to pick which is which? You've
• 26:34
  Speaker 11: lost the whole damn plot.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: It's over.
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: So it's a Stern thing. It's a David Stern thing.
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: To rest his soul, I'll ask it it was under
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: Stern's watch that it started and was not stamped down?
• 26:43
  Speaker 11: Now, okay, and and and the hold on Guru says,
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: those damn Europeans brought it from soccer. No, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 11: you could say how however it was it got here whatever,
• 26:53
  Speaker 11: Americans took it to another level.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Right now? Which sport features more flopping? Soccer or basketball?
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Which sport?
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: It feels like basketball?
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: It's not even close.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Sucker's got a ton of flopping.
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: It's not even close.
• 27:06
  Speaker 11: Every play in basketball is a flop, true, every play
• 27:10
  Speaker 11: no basketball has taken center stage.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: I'm flopping. They've taken it and run with it.
• 27:15
  Speaker 12: And vic when guys throw up their hands like that
• 27:18
  Speaker 12: to sell a call, what's the sound they make?
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Oh? What is it?
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: Hey?
• 27:22
  Speaker 11: And let me ask you this, what does Anthony Edwards
• 27:25
  Speaker 11: do every time he.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Shoots the ball? Traffic?
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: Hey?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Hey?
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Every single time?
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: So I asked our robot overlords, when did selling calls
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: begin in the NBA? And they said, well, there's no
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: exact start, DAVI, but here's what they said. In the
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: nineteen nineties, they started a defensive flop, most notably Vodi
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Devots and Dennis Rodman throwing their head back to draw
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: charge calls. And then in the two thousands that's with
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Monogenobli and guys like that, snapping their head back, failing
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: their arms, all of that.
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: So how about this, back to what Adam Silver was
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: just said there, it's not flopping, it's just selling calls.
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: How about none of that. This isn't a flea market.
• 28:04
  Speaker 11: We're not selling things, but nothing's for sale here. Yeah,
• 28:09
  Speaker 11: because what's happening now is if you go to a
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: youth basketball game. I got nephews and nieces. They play
• 28:14
  Speaker 11: at the Gold Crown. Go watch a youth basketball game
• 28:17
  Speaker 11: at the Gold Crown facility.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Go out there and watch what happens.
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: Watch what happens to the sport that I love. Watch
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: these kids do what their heroes do sickens me.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Do you know what's crazy? What's that league that they do?
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: That's sort of like every once in a while a
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: pro players show up and it's it's just there's no refs.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: It's just guys like Rucker Park stuff. What I'm talking about?
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know the Summer League you're talking about. God,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: it's in LA. It's I forgot the name of it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: Is it the Drew League?
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: The Drew League? Yes, that's exactly it.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Do they do?
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: They call fouls when it's when it's up flopping there,
• 28:55
  Speaker 14: and it's when it's up to the players there's no
• 28:56
  Speaker 14: flopping to call their own foulsand games, you see a
• 29:01
  Speaker 14: lot less falling on the floor and screaming and yelling
• 29:05
  Speaker 14: and win.
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: You you fall down in a playground as much as
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: you'll you'll bleed out.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Well, no, they'll just look at you be like, stop
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: being a whuss. Let's play basketball.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: So so let me let me let me bring it
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: to this fellas. How do you officiate it? I have
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: no idea. You can't.
• 29:21
  Speaker 11: You can't in the mid game differentiate between sales and flops.
• 29:25
  Speaker 11: Okay you can't.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Oh I think you can.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Well, the NHL does. You can?
• 29:31
  Speaker 11: You can, but it would make an NBA game seven
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: hours long until they stop. I tell you so, which
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: is why you you just go right to the very
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: end of the line and say no selling, forget flopping,
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: no selling. If we see you accentuate a play when
• 29:47
  Speaker 11: lou Dorr kicks out his feet every time he shoots
• 29:49
  Speaker 11: a three, when you can go down the list, if
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: there's any accentuation whatsoever, that's an offensive foul. Tough even
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: if you got clobbered, if your face got taken off,
• 30:01
  Speaker 11: if you lost half your face, but in the process
• 30:05
  Speaker 11: you moved your head back.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: To sell it.
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: Tough, you lost half your face, that's a foul on
• 30:10
  Speaker 11: you fall on David Stern, tough, crass.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Sorry, that's the measure you have to take because you
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: know what's happening. Now. Remember we talked about this.
• 30:18
  Speaker 11: We whispered about this last year in the Nuggets OKC series.
• 30:22
  Speaker 11: We said, I wonder if Mark Dagno and his staff
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: are teaching us coaching it. Well, what do you think
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: they're doing, guys? Because every single player look at Jared McCain,
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: who came from Philly now is an.
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: Ok See what do you think he's doing now, Well,
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: Adam Silver just admitted to it. They're being taught, taught
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: and coached.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Yes, this is the in Oklahoma City.
• 30:44
  Speaker 11: You walk in Instead of getting baptized, you get baptized
• 30:47
  Speaker 11: by flopping.
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: Brut You're a better one in the Middle East. A
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: what a better one?
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: You're you're let's say you're a nomad.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, that makes more sense.
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: You're a nomad. A better one is like part of
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: a Middle Eastern tribe. It anyway, you're you're traveling, you're
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: gonna go sell your goods. You got a camel. You
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: set up your tent and everything at night, right that
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: camel does one of these let me read the tent.
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: He kind of puts his nose in. Okay, Yeah, what
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: are you cooking in there? That kind of thing. If
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: you don't get the camel out of the tent before
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: you know what, the entire camel is in your tent,
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: if you if you, if you don't, if you didn't
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: stamp out the selling and the flopping and all this
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: kind of stuff right away before you know it. I'm
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: telling you right on today's NBA, the camel's in your
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: tent and he's eating your hang on, hang on, that's
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: what he's doing. Here's the issue.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: The issue is this, you need to do more than
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: a no call, okay, because a no call doesn't do anything.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: There has to be much like in hockey, the embellishment.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: It's I'm calling you out for bana us.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Stop.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna let the entire crowd though that you're
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: ban of us and you need to knock it off.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: No, but if, if in the if in the course
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: of a game.
• 32:14
  Speaker 15: A player throws his head back, swings his legs, falls
• 32:19
  Speaker 15: for no apparent reason, someone has to be in charge,
• 32:22
  Speaker 15: going through the tape and saying, fine, fine, fine, next
• 32:28
  Speaker 15: game you start with one foul from the previous game.
• 32:31
  Speaker 11: I'm talking extreme measures here, or because the way to
• 32:35
  Speaker 11: fix it unless you can't do it mid game. You can't, guys,
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: you can't do it mid game. Everybody's saying, well, why
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: don't they just review it?
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: You can't.
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: It would take five hours to finish the game. It
• 32:44
  Speaker 11: has to be so penal, so penal that they won't
• 32:48
  Speaker 11: even bring it to the game. Otherwise, because the game
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: of basketball is I know it the game.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I love the game, I play the game.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: I cherish. It's gone. It's gone, agreed.
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: So I'll tell you, though, dude, you'd have to go
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: through a season of you know what. We're gonna fix
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: it right now, and this season may be ugly, but
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: hopefully the guys jump on board sooner round, you know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: and you've got to hold your own players accountable. You
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: gotta hold your all players accountable.
• 33:18
  Speaker 11: Kola Jokics flops, Yeah he does, Yeah he does. And
• 33:24
  Speaker 11: so for Oklahoma City fans to sit there and say, oh, no,
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: our guys are just playing.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: No, no, you're wrong, you're wrong.
• 33:31
  Speaker 11: Your guys do more than anybody, and then you're allowed
• 33:34
  Speaker 11: to do things on the defensive end of jo Did
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: you see Sga has done a cease and desist on
• 33:39
  Speaker 11: the Underdog Sports.
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: We'll get to that. We'll get you that. We'll get
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: to that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Three oh three, five, four nine two five. Fact check
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: her next. All right, So Shay's team.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Sent a cease and desist letter to the story where
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: it's talk about yesterday, which is Underdog Sports teamed up
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: with Dylan Brooks to make the Operation game, except it's
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: a foul game about Shade Giltess Alexander and it's funny.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: But they had a whole bunch and look, if this
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: goes anywhere beyond this season desist letter, Shay's going to win.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: It's very clearly Shae that is depicted.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: In this game, and that's the name image and likeness
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: thing that you just can't do with people.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I do think.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: The embarrassment that you would have or you would feel
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: by somebody doing this is necessary. I think you need
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: to have the stuff like this happen. Yeah, you need
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: to shame people.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, shame works. Okay, it works, But you know what
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: works more money. He makes enough money that the shame doesn't.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: That's not going to change anything.
• 34:51
  Speaker 11: Is he's wealthy enough given what he's made in the game,
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: how he's proven it.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: He's a great player.
• 34:57
  Speaker 11: First of all, there's no I'm not a shame in
• 35:00
  Speaker 11: the world that will overtake that money. By the way,
• 35:03
  Speaker 11: somebody on the text line said, vic h you mentioned
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: that it's taught in Oklahoma City.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Well, their coach is European.
• 35:10
  Speaker 11: He's not Mark Dagno has a name that's French. He's
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: not European. He's American.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's American.
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  Speaker 7: Wait, who said their coach is Europeans?
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Some text line.
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: It's a hundred Do you guys believe I'm gonna ask
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: you at this point blank?
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Do you believe the Oklahoma City coaching staff.
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: May not like openly sit there and run through drills,
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: but they go through film session and they say, good
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: play there.
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: Sure, I bet they have a coach sole job.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Is you believe that? Yeah?
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: I believe it.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: You brut or it's player. I don't know.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I don't think that he'll go through Like they're at
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: a a you know, they're watching film together. Somebody flop heels, Hey,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: great flop there, Jalen Williams.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he does that, but.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I think it's something that's just understood on that team,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: that this is what we do.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: It's it is odd that virtually everybody on that roster
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: does it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: That is weird. All of them do it. I can't
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: think of a single guy who does not.
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: If you have a if it's allowed, you have an
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: analytics guy who gets up and shows film. If you
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: do this, you're going to get more calls. Do this?
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: So I can go through the Nuggets roster and I
• 36:35
  Speaker 11: and if I told you guys, does this person flop?
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Tell me yes or no?
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: I just and we're being authentic and honest here. It
• 36:41
  Speaker 11: doesn't make it a bad person. It's just what the
• 36:43
  Speaker 11: game is today. Ready, here we go. Does Nikola Jokiz flop?
• 36:48
  Speaker 11: Does Jamal Murray flop a little bit.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: I don't think.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think Jamal dies.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: No.
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: Oh, I think Marlberry does. I don't think he does
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: it enough. I asked for him to flop during this.
• 36:56
  Speaker 11: I don't think he does at all.
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: Vick, I don't think you notice it because it's so
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: prevalent so much.
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  Speaker 2: I just I don't. I've never seen, never seen Jamal
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: on the floor selling a car.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: What I'm not talking about on the floor, I'm talking
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: about going to the bucket, that kind of thing. So
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: I'm not talking about being the I'm not talking about
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: being a human mop.
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: Does an Aaron Gordon flop, No, he doesn't flop. Does
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: Christian Brown flop? No, no, he doesn't flop. Does Cam
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: Johnson flop? No, he doesn't flop. Let me keep going.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: Does Peyton Watson flop? No? No?
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: Okay, So right now we've identified one player, what one
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: player through their core that flops? All right, and you'll
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: get you never used to, but he does and he
• 37:39
  Speaker 11: does now. No, no, I'm saying he never used to
• 37:41
  Speaker 11: until he's like, I gotta find a way to get it.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: But he's not.
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: He's not an on the floor kind of flopper, but
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: in the air kind of flopper.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: I understand why he doesn't. We all do. We all
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: do it. Doesn't diminish his greatness. We all do. But
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: it's just I'm just trying to do an exercise here.
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: So one player in the dug it's core unit that
• 38:01
  Speaker 11: does it. Bruce Brown doesn't do it. Okay, let's go
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: through Oklahoma City's roster. Okay, does Shave flop?
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Yes? Does lou Dort flop?
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah? Well lou Dort does dirty?
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Does Chet Holmgren flop? Does?
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: Now?
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Does?
• 38:19
  Speaker 11: And I mentioned his name because I just saw him
• 38:21
  Speaker 11: do it the other night. Does jere McClain flop?
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: Does?
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: That's four?
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Does Jalen Williams the big end the small? Do they flop?
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Byes case?
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: Does Isaiah Hartenstein's flop?
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Yes? Y, Yes, we've seen him do. Alex Caruso yes,
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: So we are.
• 38:37
  Speaker 11: At seven players on that team that openly do it.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Versus one that openly does it.
• 38:49
  Speaker 11: That's why, okay sees under the microscope because it's.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: A team function. It's not a superstar function.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Before James Harden did that where he did the rip
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: through thing in Houston, but Houston wasn't a team full
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: of floppers. It was his style was distasteful, not the teams.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: It's just weird. By the way, I got a question
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: regarding name, image and likeness stuff. I don't know if
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: you guys have the answer to this or not.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: You know when movies make like biopics biopics?
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I love the movie Ray because I love
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Ray Charles. But I think Jamie Fox did great in
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: that Movie's pretty Do you need to get permission from
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: the Ray Charles estate to do a movie about Ray
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Charles or can you just do that about anybody?
• 39:35
  Speaker 7: Uh?
• 39:36
  Speaker 11: Sure, I'm sure you can do an un You've heard
• 39:38
  Speaker 11: of unauthorized books written all the time.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Unauthorized books.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Why because I'm just well, Shay is suing for using
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: his name, image and likeness for this little operation game.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: But if you make an entire movie that makes one
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: hundred million dollars about a guy's life, but you don't,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: do you have to give a piece to the guy
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: or the guy his family?
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: If somebody does a film about George Washington, they got
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: to track down his descendants and why.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's why I was asking.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: That's a good question. That's a legal question. Get to
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: get Dante on that one. He's got Oh.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he would have those answers.
• 40:13
  Speaker 11: Hey, the the Hartenstein somebody on the text I mentioned this,
• 40:16
  Speaker 11: and you're so right.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Hartenstein when he.
• 40:18
  Speaker 11: Played here, he never flopped, never goes to Okay, see
• 40:22
  Speaker 11: and look what he's doing. Jared McCain when he played
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: in Philadelphia, was he known as a flaylor?
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: Not at all.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I honestly didn't watch fully enough to have anue.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: It is inherent.
• 40:32
  Speaker 11: It is the okay, see way, Now, who's responsible for
• 40:37
  Speaker 11: that in Oklahoma City? Is it the coach? Is it
• 40:40
  Speaker 11: the best player? Is it the culture of the team,
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: whatever it is? Okay, see fans, Sorry, judge and jury
• 40:49
  Speaker 11: has already hammered it home.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: You guys flop?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that it is.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: It's taken away not just from the team, is taken
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: away a little bit from the sport.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: From the legacy. It's ruined the sport. Do you want
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: to watch that? No?
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I think everybody is vocally, loudly decided that that is
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: not something that they want.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: In an NBA final. We're gonna get.
• 41:14
  Speaker 11: Here's what we're gonna get in an NBA Final. We're gonna
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: get Jalen Brunson driving to the basket doing this with
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: his head, throwing his head back versus Shay Gill. Gill's
• 41:23
  Speaker 11: just Alexander doing the same thing.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: They're gonna be so many heads bobbing and weaving. They
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: may have concussions.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: That poor towel kid, you know, the towel kid, and
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: whenever somebody falls down, they gotta wipe up the sweat
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: on the floor. You gotta be paying that kid like
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: some overtime stuff whenever he has Like, okayca, you.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Guys will get me fired up about this. I love
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: this game. I love the game of basketball.
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: And I blame that players at the top, superstar players, superstars.
• 41:52
  Speaker 11: You are ruining the sport for the rest of the
• 41:55
  Speaker 11: world because it's filtering down the kids. Now stop it,
• 42:00
  Speaker 11: stop ruining the sport and play ball.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Do you think okay See closes out?
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: I do good.
• 42:08
  Speaker 11: I can't think about this, okay See. And this is
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: where this is how deep they are. The Nuggets were
• 42:14
  Speaker 11: without two key players, and a lot of us use
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: it as an excuse as to why they lost their series.
• 42:20
  Speaker 11: Oklahoma City is without Jalen Williams, their second best player.
• 42:23
  Speaker 11: His replacement AJ Mitchell didn't play in the last game,
• 42:26
  Speaker 11: his replacement started and they won.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's nuts, but we'll see if Wembley's got
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: something in the tank to push this to a game
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: seven three oh three, five oh four, oh nine to two.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Five most was hockey.
• 42:40
  Speaker 11: Ever at a point where something had to happen or
• 42:45
  Speaker 11: the sport was gonna go down the drain, and they
• 42:47
  Speaker 11: changed a rule.
• 42:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was a point when they came out of
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: that one lockout and they started calling grabbing clutchy. They
• 42:54
  Speaker 7: started calling stick more because Peter Forsberg, God, who knows
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: what he would have in or how many points he
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: would have to this day, he's I mean, he's already
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: Hall of Fame, but I mean he was allowed to.
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: Guys were allowed to ride him like a bucking Bronco.
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: Sucked bad for the game, bad bad.
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: But it took a while for players to because they
• 43:17
  Speaker 11: start a calling it and players complain.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: But it took a couple of years, right, Yeah, but.
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: It really, Yeah, it took really one season out of
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: the out of the because I mean, you put a
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: guy in a box, ific, it's totally different when you
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: hamstring your team right and you lose because of it.
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: It's totally different than uh, it's gonna cost you ten jeeves.
• 43:35
  Speaker 11: Last comment, I know we gotta go to break zero
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: six for you. How did the refs that allow them
• 43:38
  Speaker 11: to flop get a free pass? I'm The reason I'm
• 43:40
  Speaker 11: not gonna put this entirely on the refs is simple.
• 43:42
  Speaker 11: Sometimes they're so good at it. The theater of the
• 43:45
  Speaker 11: absurd is so good you cannot see it until you
• 43:49
  Speaker 11: go super slow mo. So if you're gonna ask a
• 43:51
  Speaker 11: ref to go super slow on every damn possession, these
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: games will last seven hours. That's why I'm not putting
• 43:58
  Speaker 11: it on the officials. I'm not, uh fact checker, Please Nelly.
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• 44:15
  Speaker 12: So Front Office Sports has just tweeted out that Underdog
• 44:18
  Speaker 12: is refusing to bend to the requests of SGA's team
• 44:22
  Speaker 12: for the cease and desist. And I assume that the
• 44:24
  Speaker 12: way they're gonna fight this is by citing parody laws,
• 44:28
  Speaker 12: because if you look at the board game, I mean
• 44:30
  Speaker 12: it very obviously is him. It is SGA with the
• 44:33
  Speaker 12: way they designed his jersey and the headband in his
• 44:35
  Speaker 12: hairdoo and it has the number two, but it says
• 44:38
  Speaker 12: unethical on the front of the jersey. So they might
• 44:40
  Speaker 12: be able to bring up these laws that protect parodies
• 44:43
  Speaker 12: that are widespread.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's gonna pass. Again, get Dante
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: on the phone. He would know better than me.
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: He would.
• 44:50
  Speaker 12: This is just gonna be the Barber streisand effect. Like
• 44:52
  Speaker 12: the harder SGA's team fights this, the more attention it's
• 44:55
  Speaker 12: gonna call it, he's gonna look worse in the end.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: I think that is true. All right.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I tune Spotify Mosie, Lombardi and Kine is where you
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: can find the podcast if you missed any of the
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: show today.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Again, a lot of.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: The autopsy of what to do with the Avalanche off
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: season and what moves should be made down the line,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: So a lot more to discuss with this Tomorrow. Have
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: a wonderful Thursday. We'll talk to you then, Love you,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: see you