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Credlin | 18 March · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kreenland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond,
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Speaker 2: filling in for Peter Kredlin for the rest of the week.
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Speaker 2: He's what's coming up on the program. Dual national criminals
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Speaker 2: on notice as Peter Dutton lays down the gauntlet on
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Speaker 2: law and order with the potential for a referendum on
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Speaker 2: the issue. Embarrassed and caught out, Labour's quietly sought to
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Speaker 2: remove a key emissions policy from their website as experts
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Speaker 2: warn there's bucklet's chance of meeting their targets. Plus pressure
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Speaker 2: mounts on Labor to get serious about cracking down on
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Speaker 2: the CFMU, with allegations against the union mounting by the day.
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Speaker 2: The former Construction Watchdog boss John Lloyd will join you
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Speaker 2: later for his take on what needs to be done.
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Speaker 2: And I almost felt sorry for the Treasurer today, I
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Speaker 2: have to say, with climate protesters crashing his pre budget speech, mister.
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Speaker 3: Child's that were eight days without power. The young people
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Speaker 3: of this nation are going to suffer for the randavel.
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Speaker 3: When is Labor though, you stop funding and approving your polying.
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Speaker 2: Gaff It's all a matter of perspective. I suppose she
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Speaker 2: thinks they're not doing an ugh, I think they're doing
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Speaker 2: too much. Speaking of which, while you're trying to work
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Speaker 2: out how you're going to pay for the increase in
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Speaker 2: your power bill come July, remember that's up to nine
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Speaker 2: percent after the decision of the Energy Market Operator last week,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister is still off on his green flights
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Speaker 2: of fancy. I mean, you'd think after making this promise
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Speaker 2: that right now his number one priority steering at an
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Speaker 2: election in two months or less, would be giving cost
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Speaker 2: of living relief with lower power bills.
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Speaker 4: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 5: Reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 6: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
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Speaker 6: a year, one.
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Speaker 4: Hundred and seventy five dollars a year will get.
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Speaker 6: Power prices down by two hundred and seventy five dollars a.
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Speaker 5: Year, two hundred and seventy five dollars for the average
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Speaker 5: house lower in twenty two twenty five than today.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep playing it. I know you're probably
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Speaker 2: sick of it, but that needs to be branded into
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Speaker 2: the memories of every Australian before they go to vote.
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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five, we were told it would be power
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Speaker 2: bills two hundred and seventy five dollars cheaper. Well, if
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Speaker 2: you're in New South Wales next financial year, there'll be
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Speaker 2: one thousand dollars more than Anthony Alberizi promised. Anyway, Be
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Speaker 2: that as it may, you'd think, given that massive failure,
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Speaker 2: that he might be a little more conciliatory about his
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Speaker 2: green dream for the next few months. But not so.
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Speaker 2: You'll remember Energy Minister Chris Bowen last week blamed the
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Speaker 2: increase in power bills not on his energy policies, but
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Speaker 2: on coal.
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Speaker 5: One of the reasons for this decision today is spikes
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Speaker 5: caused by coal fire power stations breaking down. Not a
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Speaker 5: day in the last two years have we had a
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Speaker 5: cal fire POWERstation not breakdown somewhere in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Now, I explained on Thursday night why that's bunkum. The
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Speaker 2: government has subsidized renewables so heavily that no one has
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Speaker 2: spent money on maintaining our coal infrastructure even though we
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Speaker 2: need it, because we don't have enough renewables. But the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister today is still banging on about how important
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Speaker 2: green hydrogen is to our manufacturing and green hydrogen, of
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Speaker 2: course is powered by renewable energy.
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Speaker 4: Green hydrogen we believe has a role to play in
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Speaker 4: Australia's future and indeed that's recognized around the globe. When
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Speaker 4: the solar industry was starting off decades ago, there were
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Speaker 4: many who said, oh, it doesn't stack up. We know
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Speaker 4: today that solar energy is the cheapest form of new
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Speaker 4: energy green hydrogen. Australia is in a unique position of
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Speaker 4: having the best solar resources in the world, amongst the
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Speaker 4: best wind resources in the world. We have everything that
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Speaker 4: can go into the creation of green hydrogen to create
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Speaker 4: green metals.
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Speaker 2: So if you don't believe in green hydrogen, then you're
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Speaker 2: a laddaite. You're like a solar naysayer. It's the next
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Speaker 2: big thing. We are, according to Alban Easy, the envy
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Speaker 2: of the world.
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Speaker 4: We are the envy of countries like Japan and South
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Speaker 4: Korea who simply aren't in a position to have the
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Speaker 4: space to be able to have this investment. And that's
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Speaker 4: why companies like Rio Tinto are backing renewables backed by
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Speaker 4: of course gas in order to be a part of
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Speaker 4: the transition to a Klan energy economy. Australia needs to
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Speaker 4: be ambitious. We must be optimistic. We can create more
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Speaker 4: jobs here, We can be a renewable energy superpower for
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Speaker 4: the world.
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Speaker 2: We must be ambitious. We must be optimistic. I guess
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Speaker 2: that ambition is why South Australia shelf plans for a
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Speaker 2: six hundred million dollar hydrogen power plant at Wyaler last
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Speaker 2: month after the steelworks there went into administration. But that
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Speaker 2: didn't stop the federal government immediately creating a billion dollar
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Speaker 2: Green Iron Fund, five hundred million dollars of which is
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Speaker 2: going to Wyala to help quote unquote decarbonize the steelworks.
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Speaker 2: And then they stumped up another seven hundred and fifty
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Speaker 2: five million dollars this week for green hydrogen in the
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Speaker 2: metals industry. I guess Anthony Albinezi missed this story in
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Speaker 2: The Australian two weeks ago that ninety nine percent of
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Speaker 2: the touted capacity of hydrogen projects in Australia have not
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Speaker 2: moved beyond the concept or approval stage. Perry Williams reported
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Speaker 2: that nearly one hundred hydrogen projects have been proposed in Australia,
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Speaker 2: with the vast majority based on green or renewable sources. However,
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Speaker 2: sixty one individual projects have been quietly archived, with work
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Speaker 2: on the developments either scrapped or on hold due to
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Speaker 2: market conditions or failing to move beyond feasibility studies. An
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Speaker 2: industry list compiled by the Australian Receidosch agency the CSIRO,
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Speaker 2: reveals his story went on to say that new modeling
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Speaker 2: produced for the Australian Energy Market Operator has also conceded
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Speaker 2: the cost, timing and scale of potential hydrogen economy in
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Speaker 2: Australia is now highly uncertain. How's that ambition and optimism going,
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Speaker 2: PM and he must have missed this yarn. The next
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Speaker 2: day that Twiggy Forest, one of the biggest supporters of
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Speaker 2: green hydrogen in the country, had canceled an investment deal
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Speaker 2: with the major US hydrogen company plug Power, to be
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Speaker 2: a potential supplier of electoralisers for their projects and a
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Speaker 2: joint venture partner with Fortescue in the US hydrogen market.
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Speaker 2: And this one the day after that only five percent
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Speaker 2: of the Clean Energy Finance Corporation's three hundred million dollar
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Speaker 2: fund for green hydrogen had been spent since twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: Perry Williams again reported that the CEFC said just two
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Speaker 2: investments had been made in the past five years, totaling
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Speaker 2: fifteen point seven million dollars. Of the three hundred million dollars,
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Speaker 2: some twelve and a half million were spent on arc
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Speaker 2: Energy sun HQ Hydrogen Hub in Townsville, where green hydrogen
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Speaker 2: will be produced from a one megawatt electrolyzer. The other
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Speaker 2: three point two million was invested in the Murray Valley
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Speaker 2: Hydrogen Park in Victoria, a ten megawatt electrolyizer developed by
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Speaker 2: the Australian Gas Infrastructure Group. Now you might wonder what
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Speaker 2: green hydrogen really matters to most of us, given there's
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Speaker 2: no suggestion of major scale hydrogen power being used. But
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Speaker 2: the problem is that building up hydrogen green hydrogen is
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Speaker 2: intrinsically linked to the government's net zero goals. To make
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Speaker 2: green hydrogen, you need renewable energy, so we ramp up
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Speaker 2: the production of that, and those zero targets demand green hydrogen,
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Speaker 2: so we pump up the production of that. Except that
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Speaker 2: we're clearly not pumping up the production of green hydrogen,
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Speaker 2: despite the fact we're spending billions and billions of taxpayer
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Speaker 2: dollars bill ourselves remaking the energy system, which has led
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Speaker 2: to higher power prices to meet zero targets will never achieve.
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Speaker 2: He's another story the PM must have missed in the
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Speaker 2: odds a week ago that the Albanese government will fail
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Speaker 2: to hit its targets of eighty two percent renewables by
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty, with green energy only reaching sixty five percent
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Speaker 2: by the end of the decade. Even under a best
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Speaker 2: case scenario. According to reis Dad energy modeling, we are
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Speaker 2: not meeting these targets. It won't happen. But they're driving
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Speaker 2: up bills anyway. So cut the nonsense, stop talking up
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Speaker 2: green hydrogen, stop talking up renewables. Just admit you got
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Speaker 2: it wrong and we need to slow down to get
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Speaker 2: power bills down. I showed you the PM before saying
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Speaker 2: that we're the envy of the world when it comes
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Speaker 2: to green hydrogen. Well I don't think we're the envy
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Speaker 2: of the world when it comes to power prices. Now.
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Speaker 2: As if you needed any more proof that China is
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Speaker 2: no friend of the West or Australia, have a look
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Speaker 2: at this letter sent to people in Melbourne over the weekend.
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Speaker 2: It was sent from Hong Kong landed in letterboxes on Friday,
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Speaker 2: offering a two hundred thousand dollars reward for information about
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Speaker 2: Kevin Yam now. He is a pro democracy activist and
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Speaker 2: lawyer who was born in Australia and lived in Hong
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Speaker 2: Kong for twenty years before coming home in twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 2: He's wanted by police in Hong Kong for criticizing the
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Speaker 2: government and the erosion of civil rights. He's accused by
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Speaker 2: them of supposedly endangering national security. Foreign Minister Penny Wong
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Speaker 2: said this afternoon that she was taking this up directly
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Speaker 2: with the Chinese and Hong Kong authorities. She said, quote,
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Speaker 2: the Australian government does not accept other governments interfering with
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Speaker 2: our citizens, making anybody feel unsafe. We expect our citizens
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Speaker 2: to be respected, and we stand firm against any foreign
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Speaker 2: interference and against any infringement of our sovereignty. We will
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Speaker 2: make and have been making appropriate representations since this was
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Speaker 2: alerted to us. Now we don't know who actually sent
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Speaker 2: these letters, but we know they came from Hong Kong,
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Speaker 2: that they contained two residential addresses apparently linked to mister Yam,
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Speaker 2: and a UK phone number linked to the Hong Kong
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Speaker 2: Police Force. This is an attempt to scare people in
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Speaker 2: foreign countries who criticize the Chinese government. There are no
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Speaker 2: two ways about it. Mister Yam posted on x this
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Speaker 2: morning that he would never voluntarily return to Hong Kong
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Speaker 2: until it's free, and that he'll never kill himself, by
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Speaker 2: which he means if I turn up dead, it won't
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Speaker 2: be me who did it. Now. I know the handsome
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Speaker 2: boy Anthony Albanizi is cozied up to China since he's
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Speaker 2: been PM, But just look how they've treated us, those
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Speaker 2: warships floating down the coast, This letter threatening people on
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Speaker 2: Australian soil. They are not our friends. Never forget, however
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Speaker 2: much trade we might do with the Chinese, this is
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Speaker 2: how they operate. Let's head to Canberra now for tonight's
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Speaker 2: political headlines with Scarane News political reporter Reuben Spargo.
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Speaker 7: Anti cold protesters have interrupted the Treasurer's pre budget address
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Speaker 7: in Queensland.
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Speaker 6: Flooding, jarma and substantial damage.
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Speaker 8: Australia cannot afford any more climate disasters, the intensity of those.
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Speaker 8: When will the Labor Party stop funding more coal and
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Speaker 8: gas projects?
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Speaker 6: Thank you, mane I figure, Thanks Aliens were cut off
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Speaker 6: from power.
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Speaker 3: It's a channel at eighty without power. The young people
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Speaker 3: of this nature, they're going to suffer for the rest
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Speaker 3: of the are lives when they are going to stop funding.
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Speaker 7: Ahead of the budget and election, the Treasurer is refusing
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Speaker 7: to guarantee electricity bills will decrease or remain stable. The
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Speaker 7: Alberzi government previously promised to bring down power prices from twenty.
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Speaker 1: Twenty two levels. They have since increased.
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Speaker 6: So there'll be cost of living help. It will be
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Speaker 6: meaningful and substantial and it will be responsible.
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Speaker 2: It will be affordable.
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Speaker 6: We can't do everything that we would like to do
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Speaker 6: because of the fiscal and other constraints that we have.
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Speaker 7: The Treasurer will deliver a budget deficit next week. The
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Speaker 7: government is preparing to navigate a review into the America
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Speaker 7: First trade strategy. It could include new tariffs on pharmaceutical goods,
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Speaker 7: farming products and more. Visiting an aluminium smelter in Queensland,
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Speaker 7: the Prime Minister maintains he is still seeking a carve
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Speaker 7: out for metals.
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Speaker 4: Well, we'll continue to make our case not just to
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Speaker 4: the United States but around the world, backing our jobs
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Speaker 4: and backing Australian industry.
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Speaker 7: The Trade Minister held a call with a US trade
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Speaker 7: representative this morning to discuss the Trump administration's approach. The
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Speaker 7: review is set to be delivered on April two.
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Speaker 2: Well there are reports today that Opposition Leader Peter Dutton
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Speaker 2: was considering ways to grant government ministers the power to
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Speaker 2: cancel the citizenship of dual nationals found guilty of serious crimes.
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Speaker 2: He was on Sunrise this morning appearing to open up
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Speaker 2: the possibility of a referendum.
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Speaker 9: We can do as much as we can by legislation,
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Speaker 9: but as they say, you can't outlegislate the constitution. What
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Speaker 9: we're proposing here is a discussion about whether we've got
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Speaker 9: adequate laws, whether the constitution is restrictive, and if you
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Speaker 9: want to keep your kids safe, and we ought to
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Speaker 9: keep kids safe in our community, then I don't think
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Speaker 9: you can put a price on that now.
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Speaker 2: Of course, you would need a referendum because in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty two the High Court rule that it was unconstitutional
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Speaker 2: to stript dual citizens of their right to live in
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Speaker 2: Australia because it was a form of punishment in the
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Speaker 2: sense of retribution. But Shadow Attorney General Macaulia Cash quickly
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Speaker 2: hose down claims of a referendum, telling scar News in
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Speaker 2: a statement, we have no plans to hold a referendum
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Speaker 2: at this stage and would only look to that as
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Speaker 2: the last option. For more on this than the day's
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Speaker 2: other political story, where is I'm joyed at the desk tonight,
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Speaker 2: Basco and News political editor Andrew Clanel Andrew, welcome. How
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Speaker 2: does this play electorally? Because I think people would be
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Speaker 2: scared of the idea of another referendum given what happened
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Speaker 2: with the Voice.
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Speaker 10: It's crazy, isn't it, Because the issue itself everyone would
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Speaker 10: kind of agree with, but they would think, for goodness sake,
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Speaker 10: do we really need another referendum? So the only way
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Speaker 10: you could put it forward is to say it would
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Speaker 10: coincide with the next election for people to basically accept it,
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Speaker 10: because other than that, you'd have to demonstrate a number
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Speaker 10: of citizens you want to deport, and I'm not sure
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Speaker 10: there's a list of that. But what's intriguing I think
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Speaker 10: about this is it kind of fell into what I've
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Speaker 10: seen from Peter Dutton is a bit of a policy
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Speaker 10: vacuum so far, and I've spoken about this. They are
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Speaker 10: taking the calculated risk that they are going to release
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Speaker 10: all their policies pretty much apart from nuclear four weeks
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Speaker 10: out from polling day, three weeks out from and now
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Speaker 10: we have this leak of something they're obviously still discussing.
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Speaker 10: Goodness knows who leaked it on top of Peter Dutton's
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Speaker 10: insurance comments to me on Sunday Agenda, which is Front
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Speaker 10: Benches then corrected. It just looks a bit messy for
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Speaker 10: the show, That's what it looks like.
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Speaker 2: And that's the thing because it's the second time where
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Speaker 2: basically this has happened where Dutton suggests or open up
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Speaker 2: the opens up the possibility of one thing, and then
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Speaker 2: a minister comes out shortly after and says, well, actually
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Speaker 2: it's not quite going to work like that. Who's pulling
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Speaker 2: the strings at the moment.
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Speaker 1: Well it should be Dunton, shouldn't it.
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Speaker 10: And I know, you know who's got to put things
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Speaker 10: through a shadow cabinet and that might be an issue.
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Speaker 10: But the insurance thing was pretty intriguing to me because
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Speaker 10: Susan LeAnn Angus Taylor, why didn't they just jump on
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Speaker 10: the phone and say, look, what should I say? And
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Speaker 10: then they could have merit his comments, whether it be
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Speaker 10: in government will look to do this. But I think
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Speaker 10: that's the issue. I mean, how many things are they
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Speaker 10: going to say, oh, well, when in government will look
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Speaker 10: at this.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's not time for that.
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Speaker 10: It's time to present the alternative government case. Particularly when
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Speaker 10: you're twenty seat hi.
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Speaker 2: Victory, you need to seriously co a suite of policies
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Speaker 2: to take to the electric We saw the Freshwater polling
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Speaker 2: yesterday which showed a slump, of course in the coalition's
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Speaker 2: primary vote and Dutton's personal approval rating. Here he was
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Speaker 2: explaining those results.
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Speaker 9: The Labor Party spent two million dollars over the last
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Speaker 9: two months personally slandering me because they don't.
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Speaker 1: Have a good story to tell themselves.
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Speaker 9: They throw on Martin, they've done their personal attacks and
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Speaker 9: the unions have done that, including the CFMU, over the
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Speaker 9: last couple of months. So you would expect it to
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Speaker 9: have an impact.
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Speaker 2: Is this potentially because there's not a great suite of
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Speaker 2: policies to look at at the moment.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it helps. I don't think it helps.
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Speaker 10: So Peter Dutton has an opportunity to cast himself to
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Speaker 10: the Australian public what he is about, because he spent
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Speaker 10: two years very effectively attacking Anthony Albanesi. Let's face it,
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Speaker 10: he's been pretty good at that in the old Tony
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Speaker 10: Abbot way. But Tony Abbot he was operating with, you know,
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Speaker 10: much more in the way of coalition seats. He was
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Speaker 10: in the sixties, not the fifties in the first term,
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Speaker 10: and then he was in the seventies when you need
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Speaker 10: a majority of seventy six in the second term of opposition.
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Speaker 10: So one of the front benches actually said to me
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Speaker 10: when I said, why are you doing this nuclear thing?
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Speaker 10: Why are you risking it? I mean seven federal government
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Speaker 10: owned nuclear plants. That's kind of the problem with the
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Speaker 10: policy more than nuclear per se. That front bencher said
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Speaker 10: to me, well, we have to take a risk in
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Speaker 10: order to win twenty seats to hit majority. And yet
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Speaker 10: what's happened is I think the polls have gone in
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Speaker 10: their favor frankly, or very close to in their favor.
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Speaker 10: So they've gone back into their shells and said, I
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Speaker 10: will leave it for the campaign. So we have a
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Speaker 10: scenario now where on an issue like tax cuts, for example,
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Speaker 10: which I believe the coalition will promise before the election,
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Speaker 10: it's almost like both sides of waiting each other out
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Speaker 10: on it. The same with what's been talked about. Is
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Speaker 10: this home battery, So it's been reported both sides looking
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Speaker 10: to see what the other do so they can match it,
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Speaker 10: like peed it up and did with Medicare. And I
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Speaker 10: guess this is one of the problems with tight elections.
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Speaker 10: You don't want to make a mistake, you don't want
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Speaker 10: to get beaten by the other side.
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Speaker 1: But he hasn't presented to me enough.
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Speaker 10: And I think this might get commentary on election night,
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Speaker 10: obviously depending on the result. The alternative vision how peeded
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Speaker 10: up and will change the country. There's a few things
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Speaker 10: nuclear way out than never never. I guess you could
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Speaker 10: argue he might do better with the Trump administration. That's
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Speaker 10: very important if he can get that argument across, carry
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Speaker 10: that across.
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Speaker 1: But what else is there?
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Speaker 10: And I would have thought, if you're thinking about tax cuts,
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Speaker 10: better to get out now or three weeks ago and
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Speaker 10: prosecute the case.
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Speaker 1: Prosecute the case and.
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Speaker 2: As if that's not going to be a winner with
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Speaker 2: the electorate. And I think this is part of the problem.
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Speaker 2: You've got to be big and bold. It's not good
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Speaker 2: enough to say, well, I'll go and see what the
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Speaker 2: other Bloke's doing and then I'll match it because of
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Speaker 2: course the major criticism of the major parties is that
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Speaker 2: they just do the same thing with a different color
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Speaker 2: on the tin, and that's basically what we're seeing, right
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Speaker 2: Andrew Clenell, thank you for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 1: Caleb, thank you.
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Speaker 2: Now, the top issues for people are cost of living,
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Speaker 2: cost of living and cost of living. There are obviously
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Speaker 2: other important issues, but this is the one that will
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Speaker 2: really cut through at the ballot box. So next week's
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Speaker 2: federal budget will be important for the government. And of
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Speaker 2: course they're trying to convince us that the economy is
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Speaker 2: on the men. It's what Jim Chalmers now been easy
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Speaker 2: keeps saying, what is it to inflation has a two
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Speaker 2: in front of it, But the latest OECD outlook has
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Speaker 2: revised up global inflation for cast while downgrading GDP growth
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Speaker 2: projections for the next two years. The Treasurer gave a
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Speaker 2: bit of a budget preview today. He's talking about a
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Speaker 2: gloomy year, but of course he blames that on Cyclone,
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Speaker 2: Alfred Donald Trump's tariffs and global factors.
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Speaker 6: The global economy is volatile and it's unpredictable. There's a
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Speaker 6: new US administration disrupting trade. There's a slowdown in China,
20:04
Speaker 6: there's war in Eastern Europe and a very fragile ceasefire
20:08
Speaker 6: in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: For more, let's bring in former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Peerl.
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Speaker 2: David welcome. I mean this business. They keep running the lines.
20:18
Speaker 2: We heard it last week when we were talking about
20:20
Speaker 2: power bills going up. Oh well, you know, if there
20:22
Speaker 2: wasn't war in Ukraine, none of this would have happened.
20:26
Speaker 2: They can't keep shirking responsibility and saying, oh well, it's
20:29
Speaker 2: cyclone al for it. It's this. It's that you've had
20:33
Speaker 2: high government spending, which of course the RBA repeatedly warned,
20:37
Speaker 2: was one of the reasons that interest rates weren't coming
20:40
Speaker 2: down last year. It's up to them.
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Speaker 11: Thank you for having me on.
20:47
Speaker 1: Caleb be right.
20:49
Speaker 11: Jim Chalmers repeatedly says that he is engaging in responsible
20:55
Speaker 11: economic management. Well, there's no responsibility and there's no economic management.
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Speaker 11: The two surpluses he obtained were off the back of
21:05
Speaker 11: bracket creep, which makes Australian taxpayers poorer. He's run a
21:10
Speaker 11: deliberate high inflation strategy to boost the power of trade
21:15
Speaker 11: unions so Australian disposable incomes have fallen by nine percent
21:20
Speaker 11: since twenty twenty two as a direct result of his actions,
21:24
Speaker 11: by far the worst economic performance in the OECD. And
21:28
Speaker 11: we face an uncertain world with global security concerns and
21:33
Speaker 11: a possible trade war, and we have no physical firepower
21:38
Speaker 11: available whatsoever, with deficits forecast throughout the Ford estimates, so
21:44
Speaker 11: we're in a very weak position. Jim Chalmers has been
21:48
Speaker 11: an economic commentator, not a treasurer. He hasn't made hard
21:51
Speaker 11: decisions to cut spending, to take pressure off inflation and
21:54
Speaker 11: to make the RBA's job easier. He's stood by while
21:58
Speaker 11: Chris Bowen has imposed a huge tariff on the entire
22:02
Speaker 11: Australian economy in the form of the renewables crusade, and
22:06
Speaker 11: he's not lifted a finger, while Tony Burke has taken
22:09
Speaker 11: our industry relation system back.
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Speaker 2: To the Whitler years. Well you mentioned bracket creep before.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to that in a moment. But the
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Speaker 2: OECD Secretary General, Mattias Coorman, of course a former Liberal minister,
22:21
Speaker 2: said that the way to support economic resilience and drive
22:24
Speaker 2: sustainable growth that improves living standards was with prudent monetary
22:29
Speaker 2: and fiscal policies and reducing public debt ratios. But of
22:33
Speaker 2: course Deloitte reports that the next so that the net
22:36
Speaker 2: debt is only going to grow over the next four years.
22:40
Speaker 2: So how does labor expect to get away with it?
22:46
Speaker 11: Well, it's interesting when we focus on debt, which is prudent,
22:50
Speaker 11: but it's also the size of government. As I've said.
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Speaker 2: Before, Kaylu.
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Speaker 11: So if you look at the long run fiscal forecast
22:58
Speaker 11: for the government and the parliamentary budget off, they do
23:01
Speaker 11: foresee a return to budget balance in twenty thirty four
23:05
Speaker 11: to thirty five, but owing to bracket creep, lifting effective
23:12
Speaker 11: tax rates for Australians to historic hires, lifting the revenue
23:15
Speaker 11: share of the economy to historic highs. So even with
23:20
Speaker 11: that optimistic scenario which assumes NDIS and defensesn't increased, and
23:26
Speaker 11: unrealistic assumptions that government spending won't grow, we're basically growing
23:31
Speaker 11: the size of government. Now if we undo those unrealistic assumptions, Kayler,
23:35
Speaker 11: if we pay back bracket creep, if we accept that
23:39
Speaker 11: the NDIS, which is out of control, still grows far
23:42
Speaker 11: more than eight percent per year, if we increase defense
23:46
Speaker 11: spending which both parties I think are suggesting might happen.
23:51
Speaker 11: And if we apply more realistic assumptions to government spending
23:55
Speaker 11: in other areas, we will have a physical crisis. All
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Speaker 11: more numbers that delites are looking at are fictitious, bad
24:03
Speaker 11: enough as they are.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly before we go the issue of bracket creep,
24:08
Speaker 2: and I was talking a little bit about this last night.
24:11
Speaker 2: There is a report in the Financial Review today that
24:14
Speaker 2: the average Assie worker is on track to enter the
24:16
Speaker 2: thirty seven percent tax bracket by twenty thirty one because
24:20
Speaker 2: marginal tax rates aren't adjusted for inflation. Now. Of course,
24:24
Speaker 2: part of this would have been solved in Stage three
24:27
Speaker 2: tax cuts as they were meant to happen, because they
24:29
Speaker 2: would have abolished that tax bracket. But the reality is
24:33
Speaker 2: that you are paying more in income tax now than
24:36
Speaker 2: you were when this government was elected. By the end
24:39
Speaker 2: of the decade, you'll be paying even more. This isn't
24:43
Speaker 2: sustainable long term, and surely there comes a point where
24:46
Speaker 2: you can't sell this to people anymore. Caleb.
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Speaker 11: It's a dirty secret of Australian fiscal policy, and I
24:51
Speaker 11: must say both major parties have taken advantage of it,
24:55
Speaker 11: so they both offer income tax cuts to the Australian people,
24:59
Speaker 11: knowing full well that bracket creep will claw those back
25:03
Speaker 11: and eventually reverse them. So the Albanese government's revised Stage
25:09
Speaker 11: three cuts will be reversed entirely by bracket creep within
25:13
Speaker 11: six years or in six years. But the Opposition is
25:18
Speaker 11: making pledgures to tighten our budget finances without indicating what
25:23
Speaker 11: they're going to do with bracket creep. And I do
25:25
Speaker 11: think that an opportunity for Peter Dutton and his Budget
25:29
Speaker 11: reply speech would be to say to Australians there will
25:33
Speaker 11: be no more bracket creep. Ever, you will not move
25:35
Speaker 11: into a high tax bracket when your wages simply catch
25:39
Speaker 11: up with inflation making poorer. That would place so much
25:43
Speaker 11: more pressure on the swamp, on the deep state, on spending,
25:47
Speaker 11: whatever you want to call it. So I do think
25:49
Speaker 11: that it's up to the Opposition to step up not
25:51
Speaker 11: only on net zero, as I wrote today in The Australian,
25:54
Speaker 11: but also on bracket creep.
25:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it needs to happen, but first we need
25:58
Speaker 2: need to sever that adtion that government seemed to have
26:01
Speaker 2: to our money in the form of tax. David Pearl,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time after the break,
26:06
Speaker 2: Labour tries to quietly hide their broken emissions promises ahead
26:09
Speaker 2: of the campaign. Plus what needs to happen right now
26:12
Speaker 2: to reign in the CFMU is more allegations of lawlessness
26:16
Speaker 2: mount against the Union don't go away. Now. We had
26:23
Speaker 2: the story last night about the Colins class submarines that
26:26
Speaker 2: the upgrade to them which was meant to be going
26:28
Speaker 2: ahead to keep us going through until we get the
26:30
Speaker 2: nuclear submarines from UCUS, of course potentially being scaled back
26:34
Speaker 2: because the AC can't actually get the work done in time.
26:38
Speaker 2: Or Richard Marles, the Defense Minister, has basically confirmed that
26:42
Speaker 2: Today's put out a statement saying that they would be
26:44
Speaker 2: managing the scope of the life of type extension works
26:48
Speaker 2: to ensure the overhauls could go ahead from next year.
26:52
Speaker 2: That's just dropped on the Australian yet another example of
26:55
Speaker 2: how we cannot keep up with defense in this country. Now.
26:59
Speaker 2: I talked at the top of the show about how
27:00
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister is still going headfirst into all of
27:03
Speaker 2: this green business even though it's about to put your
27:06
Speaker 2: power bill up again. But it seems at least someone
27:09
Speaker 2: in the Labor Party knows this is a problem. They've
27:11
Speaker 2: quietly removed a link from their website to the modeling
27:15
Speaker 2: that underpins the Labor pledge to lower carbon emissions by
27:19
Speaker 2: forty three percent by twenty thirty. Maybe you'll just magically
27:23
Speaker 2: forget that they promised it, and maybe you'll forget that
27:25
Speaker 2: your power bill has gone up. Leading energy expert Bruce
27:29
Speaker 2: Mountain said this morning that the modeling commission by Labor
27:32
Speaker 2: was quote not worth the paper it was written on.
27:35
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this, Director of Energy Research
27:38
Speaker 2: at the Center for Independent Studies, Aidan Morrison, aiden, I'll
27:42
Speaker 2: throw on screen the so called Power Australia measures that
27:45
Speaker 2: are either off track or totally failed. You've been saying
27:50
Speaker 2: for a long time now that this is not going
27:53
Speaker 2: to happen, and the government has been persisting with it.
27:56
Speaker 2: But it seems that they're so close, they're so close
27:59
Speaker 2: to real they can't meet the targets they've made because
28:03
Speaker 2: of course they've pulled them off the website, and yet
28:06
Speaker 2: they still keep carrying on as though this is the
28:08
Speaker 2: way to go.
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Speaker 12: It's just incredible. They've paid themselves into a corner here.
28:15
Speaker 12: They're in absolute their credibility is in free fall. The
28:19
Speaker 12: evidence base underpinning all the claims they have made to
28:22
Speaker 12: propel us on this energy transition catastrophically collapsing, as we've
28:27
Speaker 12: seen from our power prices going up, being announced to
28:29
Speaker 12: go up when they promised to go down. Yet again
28:32
Speaker 12: there is there is now no claim whatsoever that can
28:35
Speaker 12: support the idea that renewable energy, this uncontrollable intermate energy
28:39
Speaker 12: source can or ever will push our power prices down.
28:43
Speaker 12: So seeing them start to kind of cover their tracks
28:45
Speaker 12: is actually frankly amusing because those tracks they actually show
28:49
Speaker 12: us that modeling. The other things that it says are
28:53
Speaker 12: not just that we should have two hundred and seventy
28:54
Speaker 12: five dollars off our bills, but in the same table
28:56
Speaker 12: that actually says we're going to hit eighty two percent
28:58
Speaker 12: renewable energy by two thirty. Now that is also plainly
29:03
Speaker 12: not worth the paper that it's written on, And yet
29:05
Speaker 12: that is absolute cornerstone the foundation for the Integrated System Plan,
29:10
Speaker 12: the hallowed blueprint, which the government has used time and
29:13
Speaker 12: time again to say that we are on the cheapest path.
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Speaker 1: So if that plan.
29:17
Speaker 12: That they had their earlier reputex modeling is baseless, which
29:20
Speaker 12: we now know it is, then basically all the other
29:22
Speaker 12: modeling that the government depends on is also baseless too.
29:25
Speaker 12: So this is a government whose credibility is now in
29:27
Speaker 12: total free for catastrophic collapse of the modeling support the
29:31
Speaker 12: renewal energy transition as it's been promised.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think the number I talked about it earlier
29:35
Speaker 2: is the projection now is sixty four percent twenty thirty,
29:39
Speaker 2: which way off target of course. And the other thing
29:42
Speaker 2: I talked about was the Prime Minister again pumping up
29:44
Speaker 2: green hydrogen today and that makes up a large component
29:48
Speaker 2: of their plan. But yet again it's not happening. No
29:52
Speaker 2: one's getting in on it. Everyone's pulling out of it.
29:54
Speaker 2: Twiggy Forest has pulled his projects, he's pulled the deal
29:57
Speaker 2: he was doing in the US. How can they keep
29:59
Speaker 2: saying this is going to happen. It's not.
30:02
Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 12: Everybody knows. All the people that have had their own
30:05
Speaker 12: money in this are pulling it out as fast as
30:07
Speaker 12: they possibly can. Green hydrogen also really had next to
30:11
Speaker 12: no merit. There's a few applications, but their niche applications.
30:14
Speaker 12: This vision of the green hydrogen superpower is an absolute fiction.
30:18
Speaker 12: It's a fantasy, and yet our most important planning document
30:22
Speaker 12: actually projects us to have fifteen gigawatts of flexible hydrogen
30:26
Speaker 12: to soak up the sun when there's too much solar
30:28
Speaker 12: power in the system. And so that's a giant cushion,
30:32
Speaker 12: basically a sponge that can help us make the system
30:35
Speaker 12: that would not work look like it will. And so
30:39
Speaker 12: that's along with a whole bunch of other hopeless crutches
30:41
Speaker 12: that are being steadily kicked out from under the intebredited
30:43
Speaker 12: system plan. It really is a condemned document at this stage.
30:46
Speaker 12: There's no reason we can meet eighty two percent renewables,
30:49
Speaker 12: which is the only situation considers hydrogen absolutely will not happen.
30:53
Speaker 12: We do not have the perfect foresight of whether we assume,
30:56
Speaker 12: and of course consumers will expect a healthy compensation for
30:59
Speaker 12: their investments in in consumer and batteries and solar panels,
31:03
Speaker 12: none of which is modeled. It is document that is
31:05
Speaker 12: worse than useless. It has entertained the delusion that this
31:08
Speaker 12: can help be consistent with reliable, cheap electricity, and it's
31:11
Speaker 12: just not the case.
31:12
Speaker 2: And they want us to pretend it ever existed. Well,
31:15
Speaker 2: much like I've said, I'll keep playing the two hundred
31:17
Speaker 2: and seventy five dollars power bill grab until the election.
31:19
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll just start showing that every night as well,
31:22
Speaker 2: just to drive the point home. Aiden Morrison, thank you
31:24
Speaker 2: for your time well with the Albanezi government. Referring the
31:27
Speaker 2: latest allegations of CFMU lead corruption and violence to police,
31:31
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton says that Labor must support US style racketeering
31:35
Speaker 2: laws that would give new powers to police to tackle
31:38
Speaker 2: organized crime and corruption in the construction industry.
31:41
Speaker 9: Here he was today, We've essentially got organized crime figures
31:45
Speaker 9: running the construction sector in this country. This is the
31:48
Speaker 9: biggest corruption scandal in our country's history. Are we going
31:51
Speaker 9: to clean it up? In the rico style? Laws worked
31:54
Speaker 9: in the United States and they can work here in
31:55
Speaker 9: Australia as well.
31:58
Speaker 2: No mincing of words there, John Lloyd, it is the
32:00
Speaker 2: former boss of the Australian Building and Construction Commission and
32:03
Speaker 2: has previously called for a probe into criminal activity into
32:07
Speaker 2: the Australian building industry. He joins me. Now, John, I
32:11
Speaker 2: talked about last night, of course, the fact that this
32:14
Speaker 2: Labor government dismantled the ABCC and bragged about it when
32:19
Speaker 2: they did it. Tony Burke, the then Industrial Relations Minister
32:22
Speaker 2: saying how this was just creating a level playing field
32:25
Speaker 2: and giving equal rights to construction workers. And then they
32:29
Speaker 2: come out was it Clara O'Neal yesterday on the ABC
32:34
Speaker 2: saying that this government has been stronger on tackling union
32:38
Speaker 2: corruption than anyone else, the strongest since Bob Hawk when
32:42
Speaker 2: he registered the BLF, and that the Coalition did nothing
32:45
Speaker 2: about this in their ten years of government. Well, they
32:48
Speaker 2: created the ABCC or reinstated it, and then this government
32:52
Speaker 2: got rid of it. Surely this proves we need it back.
32:59
Speaker 2: This certainly does.
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Speaker 13: The abc C had a quite dramatic and palatable effect
33:05
Speaker 13: on reducing unlawful conduct in the industry, of curtailing the
33:10
Speaker 13: activities of the unions, down lawful activity of the unions,
33:15
Speaker 13: and it's therefore hated by the CMU and other building unions.
33:20
Speaker 13: And that is why the government was so quick this
33:23
Speaker 13: time to repeal the legislation and abolish the regulator.
33:29
Speaker 2: How can they, I think, sorry, go on, John going, John, No, no,
33:33
Speaker 2: you go on? How can I But how can they
33:36
Speaker 2: say that they know they weren't aware. This is what
33:39
Speaker 2: we're continually told. They weren't aware that any of this
33:42
Speaker 2: was going on within the c fm EU that it's
33:44
Speaker 2: a great surprise when they got rid of the cop
33:47
Speaker 2: on the beat that would have been keeping an eye
33:49
Speaker 2: on this stuff. I mean, this is a tail as
33:51
Speaker 2: old as time of corruption in the construction industry. They
33:56
Speaker 2: handed a free kick to the CFM EU and the
34:01
Speaker 2: organized crime mobs that have become involved in it by
34:05
Speaker 2: getting rid of the ABCC. It would seem that the
34:08
Speaker 2: Victorian government turned a blind eye to what was going on.
34:12
Speaker 2: You know, they have essentially run a protection racket.
34:17
Speaker 13: Yes, ook, it's just beyond belief to claim they didn't
34:21
Speaker 13: know what was going on. If that's the case, though
34:23
Speaker 13: the most ill informed government going around, everybody knew that
34:28
Speaker 13: there was serious criminal activity, that it was spreading and
34:32
Speaker 13: getting worse. The ministers both stayed in federal were informed
34:36
Speaker 13: by even by union other union officials that was the case,
34:40
Speaker 13: that the c for MEU was out of control. So
34:42
Speaker 13: it's just very cute to say they didn't know. It's
34:45
Speaker 13: just unbelievable in my view. Some of the criticism of
34:48
Speaker 13: the AaB CC is ill founded as well. The ABCC
34:53
Speaker 13: had civil jurisdiction, it didn't have jurisdiction over criminal activity.
34:58
Speaker 13: When I was commissioner about forty matters to law enforcement
35:02
Speaker 13: bodies that we became aware of which involved possible criminal conduct,
35:07
Speaker 13: but I had no power to prosecute or take action
35:10
Speaker 13: against such activity. So it's a sort of acute argument
35:16
Speaker 13: to run that nothing was done by the ABCC to
35:20
Speaker 13: address criminal activity.
35:22
Speaker 2: Quickly, before we get to a break, John, you've been there,
35:25
Speaker 2: you've done that. You've run the ABCC when it did exist.
35:29
Speaker 2: What needs to happen now to clean this up?
35:32
Speaker 13: Well, you have to know what the basic motivation to
35:35
Speaker 13: see if me you is. That is to control the
35:37
Speaker 13: supply of labor to the industry and the choice of contractors.
35:43
Speaker 13: So there has to be a robust in Victoria, for example,
35:47
Speaker 13: where the government's lost complete control of the Big Bill,
35:50
Speaker 13: there should be a high powered task force of ministers, officials, police, contractors,
35:56
Speaker 13: contractors been obliged to report to the task force any illegal, criminal,
36:01
Speaker 13: unlawful activity and to inform what action they're you going
36:05
Speaker 13: to take about it. Also to be absolutely important immediately
36:10
Speaker 13: to say that the union will have no say on
36:13
Speaker 13: what contractors selected to go onto sites and no say
36:17
Speaker 13: on who's employed by those contractors. And also they should
36:21
Speaker 13: ensure that right of entry is strictly enforced. Labors weakened that,
36:25
Speaker 13: but the laws that are there should be strictly enforced.
36:28
Speaker 13: If you do those things, you'll make some progress. It'll
36:31
Speaker 13: be hard, it'll be tough, you'll have to be resolute.
36:34
Speaker 13: If you do that, you should be able to fix
36:36
Speaker 13: it up.
36:36
Speaker 2: And it would be the interest of the Labor Party
36:39
Speaker 2: it should be noted to actually do that so they
36:41
Speaker 2: can beat the allegations that they're in bed with the CFMAU.
36:44
Speaker 2: John Lloyd, thank you so much for your time. After
36:46
Speaker 2: the break, concerns over the growing impact of Sharia courts
36:49
Speaker 2: in the UK, plus the Victorian government is under fire
36:53
Speaker 2: for delays to bail reforms. All that up next. Now
37:00
Speaker 2: in the UK there's growing concern over the prevalence and
37:03
Speaker 2: effect of Sharia courts. There are now at least eighty
37:06
Speaker 2: five of these Islamic councils as they call them, operating
37:10
Speaker 2: across the country. Now, my next guest will go into
37:13
Speaker 2: more detail. But these religious bodies not actually court, they
37:16
Speaker 2: don't have any real legal standing, but they are predominantly
37:20
Speaker 2: presided over by men and they hold immense influence over
37:24
Speaker 2: some Muslims in the UK who go to these councils
37:27
Speaker 2: for rulings on marriages and family matters and things like this.
37:30
Speaker 2: They treat them like they were a court making adjudications
37:34
Speaker 2: on Islamic law, Sharia law. Joining me now to discuss
37:38
Speaker 2: this in more detail. Kredlin regular and author Iron Hersey, Ali, Iron,
37:43
Speaker 2: it is an absolute pleasure to have you here tonight.
37:46
Speaker 2: I think most people in Australia would be shocked to
37:49
Speaker 2: hear of the fact that there are at least eighty
37:52
Speaker 2: five Sharia councils in operation. It's almost unfathomable here. What
37:57
Speaker 2: is the awareness like of this in the UK.
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Speaker 14: Well, the awareness in the UK is I mean, I
38:05
Speaker 14: would say it's pretty strong. But a few years ago
38:10
Speaker 14: I remember a debate. This is as far back as
38:12
Speaker 14: twenty sixteen, maybe even farther back two thousand and six,
38:17
Speaker 14: when the practice of sharia legal, you know, legal practices
38:25
Speaker 14: were happening in Britain illegally, so for instance, people would
38:31
Speaker 14: discover that something like this was happening with husbands presenting
38:35
Speaker 14: with multiple wives, and this continued and for a long
38:39
Speaker 14: time there was this debate what should we do about it? Unfortunately,
38:45
Speaker 14: the Muslim communities that now form parallel communities within Britain
38:51
Speaker 14: decided to go ahead and implement these Sharia laws and
38:56
Speaker 14: the debates only formal. The debate led to a formalization
38:59
Speaker 14: of these sharier courts, which is unfortunate. And so when
39:03
Speaker 14: you say it is informal, that's true, but it has
39:07
Speaker 14: legal consequences for women and children because primarily what they
39:11
Speaker 14: have been adjudicating is marriage, divorce, custody and inheritance. And
39:17
Speaker 14: in all of these areas women are completely i would say,
39:23
Speaker 14: they don't have the same rights that they are granted
39:27
Speaker 14: in the national law. And this has been a shameful
39:30
Speaker 14: silence of feminists.
39:33
Speaker 2: So how does this work? How does a quasi court
39:36
Speaker 2: actually have the power to do any of this under
39:39
Speaker 2: religious law?
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Speaker 14: So in these parallel communities or ghettos, the Muslims who
39:46
Speaker 14: live there, It starts with quote unquote volunteering, but over time,
39:52
Speaker 14: when an entire neighborhood or an entire town is you know,
39:56
Speaker 14: the majority of that is Muslims, then these Sharia courts
40:00
Speaker 14: they pop up and the people who go there, women
40:05
Speaker 14: who are taken there, they feel that the laws and
40:11
Speaker 14: the adjudication in these courts is legally binding for them.
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Speaker 1: It is.
40:17
Speaker 14: It is a blatant violation of the national laws. And
40:22
Speaker 14: you can you know, this is what the Islamist groups want.
40:27
Speaker 14: They want a parallel society. It's insidious, it's by you know, Sharia,
40:31
Speaker 14: by stealth, it's an Islamization of their surroundings. But I
40:35
Speaker 14: think the real blame lies with the British government, because
40:39
Speaker 14: it is the British government that has allowed this to.
40:41
Speaker 2: Happen indeed, and I think part of the problem, of course,
40:45
Speaker 2: is that in the UK it's about six and a
40:48
Speaker 2: half percent of the population is Muslim. That's the latest
40:52
Speaker 2: numbers we have. It's probably high now, it's fifteen percent
40:55
Speaker 2: in London. Now, that as a concentration of the population
40:59
Speaker 2: is double what it is in Australia. So of course
41:02
Speaker 2: we sit here and think, well, we've never seen this before.
41:05
Speaker 2: We don't think it's a thing. But the problem is
41:07
Speaker 2: that governments, when you have such a large population of
41:10
Speaker 2: Muslim people or any other group, start to feel like
41:12
Speaker 2: they have to pander to them. Presumably that's what's happening here.
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Speaker 2: And the UK is not the only place that should
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Speaker 2: be worried about this.
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Speaker 14: No, absolutely, you've seen it in other European countries. My
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Speaker 14: advice to the Australian government is to pass a law
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Speaker 14: right now saying only Australian Australian laws apply in Australia,
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Speaker 14: and they apply uniformly to everyone. And I think I
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Speaker 14: would also urge feminists in Australia to stand up for
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Speaker 14: the rights of girls, Muslim girls and Muslim women, because
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Speaker 14: we always know, and I've seen this in Europe fast
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Speaker 14: it is the Muslim girls and women, and then it
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Speaker 14: is other women and you know, Jewish women, et cetera.
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Speaker 14: So I would advise the Australian government before they are
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Speaker 14: put in a situation where they to formalize a violation
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Speaker 14: of Australian laws, to pass and to criminalize Sharia or
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Speaker 14: any other foreign law.
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Speaker 2: Ian Hercy Ali, you are a brave woman. You've been
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Speaker 2: speaking out on this stuff for a very long time.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining me tonight After the break,
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Speaker 2: Labour's tough talk on bail laws rings hollow in Victoria
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Speaker 2: as the opposition leader faces pressure for a recent holiday.
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Speaker 2: Plus the pressure is already on embattled marning companies following
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Speaker 2: last week's landmark lands rights ruling. More on that shortly,
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in tonight's panel, Research fellow at the Institute
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Speaker 2: of Public Affairs Saxon Davidson and senior fellow at the
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Speaker 2: Mensies Research Center, Nick cat who's here on the desk
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Speaker 2: with me. Great to see you. Both. Victorian MP's are
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Speaker 2: debating the Allen Government's new bail laws this week. They're
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Speaker 2: meant to crackdown, of course, on the state spiraling youth
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Speaker 2: crime crisis. But we've now found out that this crackdown
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Speaker 2: will be split across two bills. Reforms won't kicking until
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Speaker 2: later this year. And one of the things that's going
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Speaker 2: to come up in this second bill Saxon, which will
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Speaker 2: apparently come down sometime in the second half of the year,
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Speaker 2: is the new bail test for repeat offenders, which is
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Speaker 2: one of the major planks of this to stop repeat
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Speaker 2: offenders from being released. I mean, what's the point, Oh,
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Speaker 2: we're going to have this great crackdown on crime, but
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Speaker 2: you couldn't wait for it.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly right.
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Speaker 15: The Victorian government has always been soft on crime and
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Speaker 15: this splitting.
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Speaker 2: Of the bill is just the most recent example of this.
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Speaker 15: And while bail reform is absolutely urgent, if the Victorian
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Speaker 15: government is absolutely serious about preventing crime. We actually need
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Speaker 15: more cops on the beat in the street. Criminals are
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Speaker 15: worried about being caught, and that is true regardless of
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Speaker 15: what the bail conditions are. We need more cops on
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Speaker 15: the beat preventing crime and stopping crime in action when
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Speaker 15: it occurs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course the Victorian governments had a bit
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Speaker 2: of a problem with its relationship with the police of late.
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Speaker 2: But you need the mail laws in order to stop
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Speaker 2: them from reoffending. They just keep doing it. But while
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Speaker 2: we're on Victorian politics, state or position Leader Brad Batten's
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Speaker 2: under fire for taking a four night cruise in Queensland
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Speaker 2: amid the escalating crisis. Take a look.
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Speaker 12: I did take a cruise, Probably wasn't trying to be evasive,
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Speaker 12: could have been more upfront with it. It wouldn't have
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Speaker 12: been a bigger story as it is today.
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Speaker 2: I have to take a.
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Speaker 1: Lesson from that.
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Speaker 8: But was it poor judgment?
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Speaker 12: I wasn't aware that the Avonlober government were going to
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Speaker 12: be introducing laws last week. Now introducing a bill last
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Speaker 12: week or any policy last week now.
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Speaker 2: Look fair infl I'll give him a pass mark that
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Speaker 2: he didn't know that they were going to bring that down.
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Speaker 2: But I think Baton Nick seems to be a good
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Speaker 2: guy and he seems like a good leader. But he
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Speaker 2: told his colleagues that he was in Queensland to see
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Speaker 2: his parents who had gone through the after effects of
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Speaker 2: the cyclone. Now he did do that, but he also
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Speaker 2: went on a holiday. Why could he not have just
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Speaker 2: said he was going on the cruise?
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Speaker 16: Yeah, his final question there, he's final rhetorical question. Was
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Speaker 16: this a misjudgment? I think I think historically yes. I mean,
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Speaker 16: here's the thing, Caleb. He went on a cruise so premuly.
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Speaker 16: There are other people on that cruise, presumably several hundred,
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Speaker 16: presumably some from Victoria, and yet he thought you could
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Speaker 16: get away with going incognito. That's your problem, Brad. Nobody
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Speaker 16: knows who you are, and this may be the first
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Speaker 16: time a lot of people have recognized you. Look, I
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Speaker 16: think you're right. I think my instincts about the guy
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Speaker 16: is good. He has to recover. I hope he recovers,
45:35
Speaker 16: because Victoria needs a strong liberal leader, because it just
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Speaker 16: needs a bit of strength in leadership full stop.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, and it's so often dumb stuff like this that
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Speaker 2: brings politicians undone, you know, just don't take the risk.
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Speaker 2: Be upfront. It's often been said to me. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: you've heard it before. Don't do anything you wouldn't want
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Speaker 2: on the front of the newspaper tomorrow. Just be honest,
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Speaker 2: because the problem is when you start telling lies, to
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Speaker 2: remember all the lies you've told otherwise eventually you get
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Speaker 2: caught out. State governments and miners are trying to come
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Speaker 2: to terms with the consequences of last week's High Court ruling,
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Speaker 2: which found that native title course is property. The decision
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Speaker 2: in the Unipingu case found that the Commonwealth was liable
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Speaker 2: to pay compensation to the Gumatch people for the use
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Speaker 2: of their land by a mining company all the way
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Speaker 2: back in nineteen sixty eight. Will now the Association of
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Speaker 2: Binding and Exploration Company CEO Warrnt Pierce has told The
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Speaker 2: Australian the concern now is whether it will remain limited
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Speaker 2: to the Commonwealth or will this provide a precedent beyond
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Speaker 2: its current bounds. And you can understand Saxon why the
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Speaker 2: mining industry would be worried now because if it does
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Speaker 2: go beyond the Commonwealth. In the moment, we've really only
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Speaker 2: been talking about the Northern Territory but if this is
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Speaker 2: nationwide wa for instance, there's a lot of money will
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Speaker 2: have to be paid up.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely correct, and the concerns are valid. If this does
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Speaker 15: extend beyond our north Land and the Northern Territory, we
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Speaker 15: would be looking at a massive compensation bill if this
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Speaker 15: was to happen nationwide across the States. And obviously this
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Speaker 15: is going to create unease in the industries that do
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Speaker 15: predominantly work in regional Australia where a lot of these
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Speaker 15: claims are, particularly the mining and agricultural sectors. And if
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Speaker 15: this compensation bill is paid and there is further uncertainty
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Speaker 15: with our most productive industries who generate the wealth, that
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Speaker 15: pay for our road, schools and hospitals through tax and
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Speaker 15: also through royalties, that obviously.
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Speaker 2: There's going to be unease.
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Speaker 15: This is a sleeper issue and it needs to be
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Speaker 15: It needs to be created certain right now.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you want to investment in this country, it
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Speaker 2: would seem like it needs to be certain. We talked
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Speaker 2: last night about this business at mcquarie University of Law,
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Speaker 2: students being assised on their ability to deliver it acknowledgment
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Speaker 2: of country well. Indigenous academic and constitutional lawyer Edward Sinnott
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Speaker 2: has come out in the city. He's not a fan
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Speaker 2: and the acknowledgments of have become tokenistic, he said. Academics
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Speaker 2: in the very institutions being attacked to you have been
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Speaker 2: making the criticism for some time that welcome to country
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Speaker 2: and acknowledgment ceremonies have been used in a tokenistic way.
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Speaker 2: But Nick he also claims that the way that Senator
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Speaker 2: just into namperging Price and Warren Mundine and others have
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Speaker 2: criticized this is part of a broader assault on all
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Speaker 2: things indigenous and against DEI, which he says is imported
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Speaker 2: from the US. I think he's halfway there, but he's
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Speaker 2: fallen at the final hurdle where the one of the
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Speaker 2: few people who have been talking out about this get
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Speaker 2: criticized as well. Cannabin both ways.
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Speaker 16: Well, he's right, I mean DII is on its way out.
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Speaker 16: I mean, it's probably hang around in the universities for
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Speaker 16: quite some time. But the idea that this is divisive, no, no,
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Speaker 16: I mean I suppose it depends on your perspective, doesn't it.
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Speaker 16: From where I sit, I find the whole welcome to
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Speaker 16: Country thing utterly divisive and indeed offensive.
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Speaker 1: I'm offended.
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Speaker 16: When I keep getting reminded that I am a second
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Speaker 16: class Australian said, as you know, I'm not a First
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Speaker 16: Nations person, therefore I must be a second nation person.
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Speaker 16: And I know only came here in nineteen eighty nine,
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Speaker 16: but you know I proudly became an Australian citizen because
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Speaker 16: I thought we were all on the same terms. So no,
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Speaker 16: I think that we know. You know, if you put
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Speaker 16: this to what would happen if you put this to
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Speaker 16: a random we know sixty forty.
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Speaker 2: I think it would be pretty clear, very quickly, saxon
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Speaker 2: before we leave tonight. Casey Council in Melbourne. They're having
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Speaker 2: only their second meeting since they came out of administration,
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Speaker 2: but they've had to take it online. They've shopped the
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Speaker 2: doors because the first meeting they had last month people
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Speaker 2: went wild because the council was trying to charge them
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Speaker 2: permits of four hundred and seventy three bucks to put
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Speaker 2: vehicles on their property, et cetera. They just can't face
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Speaker 2: up to democracy, it would seem well.
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Speaker 15: This is a classic example of a local council going
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Speaker 15: beyond its mandate of rates, roads and rubbish. This council
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Speaker 15: is simply trying to escape scrutiny. And as long as
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Speaker 15: as the people within the council, the residents are being
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Speaker 15: respectful and are being orderly there, I see no reason
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Speaker 15: for why the Council should be trying to escape scrutiny
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Speaker 15: over ridiculous tax such as this.
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Speaker 2: And well it's not unusual for counsels to avoid this.
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Speaker 2: Ex and Nick, thank you so much for your time,
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Speaker 2: and thank you for your company as well. The Bolt
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Speaker 2: Report is up next. I'll be back here tomorrow at six. Goodnight,