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The Kenny Report | 24 September · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Bryan Time opinion on skying is on sproadyad. It starts now.
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  Speaker 2: Line from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanesi finally gets his date with Donald Trump, but
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  Speaker 3: the President will keep our PM waiting for another month.
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  Speaker 3: And in a blockbuster speech at the United Nations, the
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  Speaker 3: US President has outlined clear positions on climate and energy
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  Speaker 3: and the Middle East that are completely at odds with
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  Speaker 3: the Albanese government. The latest on the optis triple zero disaster.
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  Speaker 3: An apology from Optus, But how can we ensure this
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  Speaker 3: doesn't happen again? All that and plenty more with Pauline Hansen,
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  Speaker 3: Tony Pass and Trevor Long, Dave Sharma, James Bolt and
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  Speaker 3: Justin Smith, Let's get cracking. It's had as many twists
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  Speaker 3: and turns as a series of farmer wants a wife
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  Speaker 3: and the on again, off again romance between Anthony Alberanzi
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  Speaker 3: and Donald try Trump, well mainly off again is now
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  Speaker 3: on again kind of apparently. After a couple of phone calls,
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  Speaker 3: a few fleeting opportunities for charts and counters, and some
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  Speaker 3: canceled dates, our Prime Minister managed to intercept the US
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  Speaker 3: President at his reception in New York last night. Look
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  Speaker 3: at them there. It can't have happened unless there was
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  Speaker 3: a selfie. Smiling from ear to ear. I hope Albo
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  Speaker 3: didn't knock anyone over as he made a b line
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  Speaker 3: for Donald Trump. At that reception, the PM grabbed the chants,
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  Speaker 3: apparently to thank the President for scheduling a face to
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  Speaker 3: face meeting in a month's time, something announced earlier by
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  Speaker 3: Australia's ambassador.
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  Speaker 4: I am utterly optimistic about how we navigate the future
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  Speaker 4: of the Australia US relationship, and that's why we were
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  Speaker 4: delighted to have the White House confirmed this morning that
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  Speaker 4: the PM will be back in the United States on
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  Speaker 4: the twentieth October to meet with the President of the
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  Speaker 4: United States in Washington.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Kevin Rudd pretty much invented the SOFI.
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  Speaker 3: But rud and ALBANIZI have called Trump mad, dangerous and scary,
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  Speaker 3: but now they're relief that they've sorted a meeting with him.
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  Speaker 3: Ruddleby especially happy because it means he might just keep
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  Speaker 3: his job. Now it's a month away this meeting at
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  Speaker 3: the White House, and Albanize will have to make yet
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  Speaker 3: another trip to the US, but it might just ensure
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  Speaker 3: he gets the proper attention.
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  Speaker 5: President Trump agreed to a meeting sometime ago. We had
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  Speaker 5: another chat about it on the phone, and we'll have
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  Speaker 5: a meeting in Washington, d C. On October twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Still, the Prime Minister got into a hell of a
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  Speaker 3: mess when answering questions about why this meeting had taken
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  Speaker 3: so long to line up.
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  Speaker 1: Have a listen to this exchange during the.
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  Speaker 6: Election, can thank you said on the second debate that
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  Speaker 6: Donald Trump didn't have a moment.
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  Speaker 5: After since that, I did not say that. I did
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  Speaker 5: not say that, don't verbal, don't verbal meat.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, what what do you think he said?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I didn't say that.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't say that. I thought he said something like
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  Speaker 1: that just quickly.
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  Speaker 2: You know his number, you're texting.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure that he has a mobile phone, the
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  Speaker 5: US president.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he said, all right, And Albo must
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  Speaker 3: have suddenly remembered the exchange, because in New York he
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  Speaker 3: quickly changed his tune.
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  Speaker 6: During the election campaign. You said on the second debate
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  Speaker 6: that Donald Trump didn't.
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  Speaker 5: Have a mobile I did not say that. I did
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  Speaker 5: not say that. Don't don't verbal, don't verbal meat?
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, what what do you think he said?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I didn't say that, But what do you think
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  Speaker 5: he said? I didn't. I didn't say that, but anyway,
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  Speaker 5: keep going. If I did, it's called a joke. Humor,
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  Speaker 5: humor delightly.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously obviously he has a mobile and anyone who actually
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  Speaker 5: saw the context know.
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  Speaker 1: That, No, I didn't say that. I didn't say that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh but if I did say.
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  Speaker 1: That, it was a joke, good joke, Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, of course he does have my mobile phone.
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  Speaker 3: But other world leaders have the mobile phone number. French
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  Speaker 3: President Emmanuel mccron was on the Blood and Trump not
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  Speaker 3: long after Albanesi's comments.
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  Speaker 1: How are you.
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  Speaker 7: Guess what?
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  Speaker 1: I'm a waiting just because everything is ploden for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, other world leaders and other former world leaders have
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  Speaker 3: that number, but clearly not our prime minister.
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  Speaker 1: There is plenty to.
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  Speaker 3: Discuss with our major security partner, and the first face
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  Speaker 3: to face meeting between Albanesi and Trump is way beyond time.
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  Speaker 3: Let's hope they kick it off in front of the
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  Speaker 3: cameras in the Oval office.
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  Speaker 1: As for Donald Trump, he delivered a barn store speech
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  Speaker 1: to the United Nations. Will really at the United Nations.
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  Speaker 1: It was full of.
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  Speaker 3: Bravados, self regard, humor, home truths, and some pretty volatile views.
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  Speaker 3: His criticism of the UN actually started with an escalator
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  Speaker 3: breaking down as he arrived with first Lady Millennia, and
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  Speaker 3: then problems emerged with his teleprompter while he was delivering
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  Speaker 3: his speech.
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  Speaker 8: These are the two things I got from the United Nations,
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  Speaker 8: a bad escalator and a bad teleprompter.
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  Speaker 3: But Trump's critique of the UN was far more substantial.
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  Speaker 8: What is the purpose of the United Nations? The UN
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  Speaker 8: has such tremendous potential. I've always said it, it has
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  Speaker 8: such tremendous, tremendous potential. But it's not even coming close
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  Speaker 8: to living up to that potential.
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  Speaker 7: For the most part, at least for now.
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  Speaker 8: All they seem to do is write a really strongly
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  Speaker 8: worded letter and then never follow that letter up.
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  Speaker 3: The President listed off seven wars he claims to have ended,
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  Speaker 3: including the Iran Israel War and conflict between India and Pakistan,
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  Speaker 3: mentioning that he might deserve the Nobel Peace Price for
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  Speaker 3: these efforts, but also noting the impotence of the United Nations.
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  Speaker 8: And sadly, in all cases, the United Nations did not
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  Speaker 8: even try to help in any of them. I ended
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  Speaker 8: seven wars, dealt with the leaders of each and every
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  Speaker 8: one of these countries, and never even received a phone
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  Speaker 8: call from the United Nations or offering to help in
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  Speaker 8: finalizing the deal.
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  Speaker 3: The big tasks, of course, remain the major conflicts in
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  Speaker 3: Ukraine and in Gaza. But Donald Trump is right, of course,
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  Speaker 3: the UN is a busted flush, and while we all
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  Speaker 3: need the US as a defender of the global order,
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  Speaker 3: the President pushed a very Trumpian version of a American exceptionalism.
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  Speaker 8: Today, just eight months into my administration, we are the
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  Speaker 8: hardest country anywhere in the world, and there is no
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  Speaker 8: other country even close. America is blessed with the strongest economy,
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  Speaker 8: the strongest borders, the strongest military, the strongest friendships, and
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  Speaker 8: the strongest spirit of any nation on the face of
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  Speaker 8: the earth.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty strong, hay Now.
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  Speaker 3: Trump had three major bones to pick with the United
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  Speaker 3: Nations and many of its member countries.
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  Speaker 1: The first was immigration.
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  Speaker 8: Not only is the UN not solving the problems it should,
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  Speaker 8: too often, it's actually creating new problems.
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  Speaker 7: For us to solve.
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  Speaker 8: The best example is the number one political issue of
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  Speaker 8: our time, the crisis of uncontrolled migration.
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  Speaker 7: It's uncontrolled. Your countries are being ruined.
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  Speaker 3: Rhetoric aside, This real about immigration matches Australia's experience and
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  Speaker 3: our focus on secure borders which preceded Trumps.
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  Speaker 1: But his real target was Europe.
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  Speaker 7: Europe is in serious trouble.
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  Speaker 8: They've been invaded by a force of illegal aliens like
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  Speaker 8: nobody's ever seen before. Illegal aliens are pouring into Europe,
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  Speaker 8: nobody is ever and nobody's doing anything to change it
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  Speaker 8: to get them out. It's not sustainable. And because they
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  Speaker 8: choose to be politically correct, they're doing just absolutely nothing
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  Speaker 8: about it.
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  Speaker 7: I look at London where you have.
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  Speaker 8: A terrible mayor, terrible, terrible mayor, and it's been so changed,
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  Speaker 8: so changed. Now they want to go to sharia law,
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  Speaker 8: but you're in a different country.
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  Speaker 7: You can't do that.
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  Speaker 8: Both the immigration and their suicidal energy ideas will be
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  Speaker 8: the death of Western Europe if something has not done immediately.
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  Speaker 3: And it's on that energy issue where Trump's rhetoric and
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  Speaker 3: actions are diametrically opposed to Australia's. The US president described
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  Speaker 3: climate change as a con job, and he took particular
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  Speaker 3: aim at the fearmongers.
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  Speaker 8: In nineteen eighty two, the executive director of the United
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  Speaker 8: Nations Environmental Program predicted that by the.
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  Speaker 7: Year two thousand, climate change would.
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  Speaker 8: Cause a global catastrophe. He said that it will be irreversible,
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  Speaker 8: as any nuclear holocaust would be. This is what they
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  Speaker 8: said at the United Nations. What happened here we are.
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  Speaker 8: Another unofficial stated in nineteen eighty nine that within a
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  Speaker 8: decade entire nations could be wiped off the map by
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  Speaker 8: global warming not happening.
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  Speaker 3: And when it comes to climate action, Trump excoriated the
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  Speaker 3: renewable energy push.
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  Speaker 8: They don't work, they're too expensive, They're not strong enough
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  Speaker 8: to fire up the plants that you need to make
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  Speaker 8: your country great.
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  Speaker 7: The wind doesn't blow. Those big windmills.
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  Speaker 8: Are so pathetic and so bad, so expensive to operate,
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  Speaker 8: and they have to be rebuilt all the time. They
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  Speaker 8: start to rust and rote most expensive energy ever conceived,
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  Speaker 8: and it's actually energy. You're supposed to make money with energy,
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  Speaker 8: not lose money.
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  Speaker 3: So clearly there's net zero common ground between Trump and
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  Speaker 3: Albanesi on these issues, nor do they have any room
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  Speaker 3: for agreement on the recognition of the non existent state
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  Speaker 3: of Palestine. The main reason for Albanesi's trip.
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  Speaker 8: Unfortunately, Hamas has repeatedly rejected reasonable offers to make peace.
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  Speaker 8: We can't forget October seventh, can we now? As if
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  Speaker 8: to encourage continued conflict, some of this body seeking to
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  Speaker 8: unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state.
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  Speaker 7: The rewards would be.
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  Speaker 8: Too great for Hamas terrorists for their atrocities.
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  Speaker 7: This would be a reward for these horrible atrocities.
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  Speaker 8: Including October seventh, even while they refuse to release the
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  Speaker 8: hostages or accept the cease fire. Instead of giving to
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  Speaker 8: Hamas and giving so much because they've taken so much,
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  Speaker 8: they have taken so much.
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  Speaker 7: This could have been solved so long ago.
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  Speaker 8: But instead of giving in to Hamas's ransom demands, those
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  Speaker 8: who want peace should be united with one message, release
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  Speaker 8: the hostages now.
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  Speaker 7: Just release the hostages now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a welcome dose of reality there on the
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  Speaker 3: Middle East. Most world leaders just don't get it, but
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  Speaker 3: one who does is Italy's Prime Minister Georgia Maloney.
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  Speaker 9: Look, personally, I continue to believe that recognizing Palestine in
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  Speaker 9: the absence of a state that meets the requirements of sovereignty,
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  Speaker 9: that's say, does not solve the problem. It does not
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  Speaker 9: produce tangible concrete results for the Palestinians. I think the
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  Speaker 9: mean political pressure should be directed towards a mass, because
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  Speaker 9: it is her mass that started this war, and it
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  Speaker 9: is her mass that is preventing this war from ending
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  Speaker 9: by refusing to release the hostages.
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  Speaker 3: As for our own Prime Minister, he's not on the
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  Speaker 3: same page as Donald Trump on a range of issues now.
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  Speaker 3: That plays well for him in Australia, especially with the left,
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  Speaker 3: of course, but on energy and on the Middle East,
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  Speaker 3: reality is bound to catch up with him eventually.
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  Speaker 1: For now, he's.
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  Speaker 3: Trying to avoid any open fights with Trump while ingratiating
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  Speaker 3: himself to the UN crowd that Trump so masterfully called out.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not a commentator. I'll leave that to you and
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  Speaker 5: the columnists. But it was great privilege at the United
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  Speaker 5: Nations this morning to hear President Trump and other leaders,
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  Speaker 5: the Secretary General of the United Nations and others so
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  Speaker 5: put forward their perspectives. I'll be putting forward Australia's perspective
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  Speaker 5: tomorrow night, and I very much look forward to it.
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  Speaker 5: It's incredible honor to represent Australia here. It was an
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  Speaker 5: honor to speak yesterday. It's quite an extraordinary room. I
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  Speaker 5: haven't been to the United Nations before, and it was
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  Speaker 5: a privilege to be there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember being kind of impressed the first time
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  Speaker 3: I went to the United Nations with our foreign minister.
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  Speaker 3: But in the end, if you have an IFO, reality
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  Speaker 3: and meaningful action, UN Headquarters becomes a pretty stultifying place
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  Speaker 3: full of uninspiring talk fests and underachieving consensus. The broken
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  Speaker 3: Escalator was more than typical. It was a living metaphor
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  Speaker 3: for an institution that's supposed to lift us all but
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  Speaker 3: just doesn't follow through. Let's go to Pauline Hanson, now
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  Speaker 3: the one nation leader joining us live from Scenic in Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: Pauline, you must have been cheering at that Trump's.
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  Speaker 3: Speech for probably all of it, but I certainly cheered
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  Speaker 3: for some of it. It's just the ability to tell
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  Speaker 3: this crowd what they needed to hear directly to their
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  Speaker 3: face was something to behold.
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  Speaker 10: Chris, I don't think there was one thing that he
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  Speaker 10: said that I disagreed with, and it's been what I've
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  Speaker 10: been saying for years myself. You know, if you look
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  Speaker 10: at the economy, climate change, immigration, the UN, Palestine, everything,
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  Speaker 10: there's nothing that I disagreed with and This is why
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  Speaker 10: our Prime minister and Trump are the complete opposite sides
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  Speaker 10: of the page. And I think this is why they're
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  Speaker 10: not going to connect. You know, it's only at a
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  Speaker 10: courtesy that they're going to have the meeting. I hope
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  Speaker 10: they sit down and talk about, you know, the free
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  Speaker 10: trade and our trade agreements and the pharmaceutical you know,
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  Speaker 10: pharmaceuticals coming here to Australia. So apart from that, I
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  Speaker 10: really can't see where they're going to agree on anything else.
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  Speaker 10: So I hope that's sorted out.
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  Speaker 3: I got to pop this selfie back up. This has
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  Speaker 3: only just dropped on Anthony alban Ezy's social media feed,
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  Speaker 3: but you can see how desperately.
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  Speaker 1: Wants to get a photo with the Donald.
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  Speaker 3: There, and he's turned into Kevin Radd or perhaps Malcome Turnbull,
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  Speaker 3: the selfie prime Minister there.
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  Speaker 1: So he just wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: Prove to people that they actually did to get together.
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  Speaker 3: But of course, if Trump wanted a meeting with him,
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  Speaker 3: he could have easily had a meeting there in New
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  Speaker 3: York or in Washington in the next couple of days,
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  Speaker 3: knowing that the guys traveled all the way from Australia.
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  Speaker 3: But instead he's making him come back in a month's time.
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  Speaker 10: I'm telling him. What I'm picking up on this is
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  Speaker 10: that Trump does not like Alban Easy, does not respect
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  Speaker 10: his policies and what he stands for. He's only out
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  Speaker 10: of respect because he's the Prime Minister of Australia and
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  Speaker 10: Ali of ours and an August partner. That's the only
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  Speaker 10: reason I don't think Trump is going out of his
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  Speaker 10: way to have a meeting with him. And this has
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  Speaker 10: been touch and go for so long. And what they're
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  Speaker 10: saying now is something might come up on October twentieth
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  Speaker 10: and the meeting might be canceled. So who knows, wait
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  Speaker 10: and see. I won't hold my breath.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I just want to get your thoughts while we've
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  Speaker 3: got the chance. A little bit of a news announcement
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  Speaker 3: you've been You've made recently about the Please Explain Cartoons series.
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  Speaker 3: Now we catch up with Mark Nicholson every week on
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  Speaker 3: this program. We love those cartoons. Haven't seen them for
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  Speaker 3: a while. The reason he hasn't been producing them for
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  Speaker 3: you of late is because you're working on this movie,
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  Speaker 3: the feature length Please Explain.
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  Speaker 1: You must be looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 5: We are, we are.
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  Speaker 10: Look, it was a shame we couldn't put out the
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  Speaker 10: cartoons this year, but the whole team's been working on
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  Speaker 10: the movie. After three years and over one hundred episodes
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  Speaker 10: of the cartoon, we've now decided to move forward with
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  Speaker 10: the movie the Car. There's been over fifty million views
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  Speaker 10: of it, so they're very popular. So we're doing a
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  Speaker 10: ninety minute movie and it's actually we're looking at releasing
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  Speaker 10: it in cinemas and hopefully get it on Netflix and
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  Speaker 10: it will actually be compatible for the world to actually
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  Speaker 10: have a look at it. So generally next year that's
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  Speaker 10: late January, that's where we're hoping to release it in
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  Speaker 10: non Australia Day.
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  Speaker 2: Chris on Australia Day.
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  Speaker 3: Great, I can't wait to see it. It's bound to
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  Speaker 3: be hilarious. Thanks for joining us, Pauline Hanson. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson their Live from Queenstand. Can't wait for that.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk to Mark Nicholson about that tomorrow night. The
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  Speaker 3: feature length version of Please explain now for all Anthony
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  Speaker 3: Albanezi stuff ups overseas and at home, for all the
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  Speaker 3: troubles this country is facing economically, strategically and socially. The
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  Speaker 3: Albanezi labor government, of course, has got it easy politically.
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  Speaker 3: The opposition is simply not putting it under pressure. The
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  Speaker 3: Coalition under Susan Lee has essentially scrapped all of its policies,
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  Speaker 3: put them all out for review, so it's got nothing
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  Speaker 3: to attack the government on. Instead, they've started turning on
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  Speaker 3: their own, with a bunch of Liberals backgrounding against front
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  Speaker 3: bencher Andrew Hasty, criticizing him for daring to share some
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  Speaker 3: of his views.
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  Speaker 11: We used to make complex things in this country. In fact,
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  Speaker 11: with cars, we used to say race them on a Sunday,
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  Speaker 11: sell them on a Monday. And it wasn't just a slogan,
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  Speaker 11: it was a way of life. Competition drove innovation in
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  Speaker 11: our car industry.
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  Speaker 2: But that's all gone.
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  Speaker 1: How dare he have something to say? Hey?
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  Speaker 3: Now, Haysey's a conservative of course, as opposed to Lee
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  Speaker 3: and the wets or moderates who rule the roost in.
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  Speaker 1: The Liberal Party for now.
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  Speaker 3: And fellow conservative just sent to nawberjimper Price, freshly dumped
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  Speaker 3: from the front bench while she's been writing Shotgun for
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  Speaker 3: the former sas officer.
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  Speaker 12: It would be good if those of our colleagues who
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  Speaker 12: like to background honor would actually either get on with
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  Speaker 12: the work of being in opposition and calling Anthony ALBERNISI
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  Speaker 12: to account, or just keep quiet or put their names
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  Speaker 12: to those comments that they like to make anonymously. I mean,
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  Speaker 12: it's certainly what I do. What people like Andrew Hasey do.
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  Speaker 12: We just tell about how it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the old anonymous briefings say it's always good to
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  Speaker 3: call out that cowardice.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: But Senator Naberjibba Price went further.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Has Andrew Hasty got what it takes to be a
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: future leader?
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 19:32
  Speaker 12: Look, I think so. I think he's passionate, he's got conviction.
• 19:37
  Speaker 12: You know the topics that I spoke to a sea pack,
• 19:41
  Speaker 12: which I think we should be focused on our key institutions,
• 19:45
  Speaker 12: which are family, community, and our nations. I think at
• 19:48
  Speaker 12: the core of Andrew Hasty's what he's leading with. I
• 19:53
  Speaker 12: think it'd make a remarkable leader one day.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: He sure would.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: But when ordinarily say give Lee a go, and it's
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: too soon for anyone else to want the job, let
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: alone force the switch. But the real problem here is
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: that the opposition is just not doing its job. It's
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: talking about itself again when it needs to be holding
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: a bad government to account. At the moment, the Liberals
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: don't know what they stand for, which means they're failing
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: in their duty to all of those who voted for
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: the coalition, and it also means, of course they've got
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: no hope of attracting new supporters. Let's go to Tony Passen,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: the Liberal member for the seat of Barker in South Australia,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: joins us from Mount Gambia.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, Tony.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Are you concerned about this that you have a party,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: certainly in the broader coalition, effectively without any policies beneath you,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: so you can't attack labor because any attack has got
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: to be met with the response what's your plan.
• 21:01
  Speaker 13: Exactly?
• 21:01
  Speaker 14: Chris, and I've expressed this frustration internally and apologies for
• 21:06
  Speaker 14: the image this might throw up into people's minds, but
• 21:09
  Speaker 14: I told senior colleagues that effectively you're throwing me out
• 21:13
  Speaker 14: into the community naked with nothing to say or do
• 21:17
  Speaker 14: or talk about.
• 21:19
  Speaker 13: A naked Tony Passon in community is not what we want.
• 21:22
  Speaker 14: And this is the first time, of course, Chris, that
• 21:24
  Speaker 14: we've had a circumstance where the Liberal Party has no
• 21:27
  Speaker 14: policy platform to fall back on because of course, traditionally,
• 21:30
  Speaker 14: we've always maintained our policy position after an election and
• 21:35
  Speaker 14: work through a series of changes over time.
• 21:38
  Speaker 13: And I knew we'd.
• 21:39
  Speaker 14: Get to this point where people were expressing opinions like
• 21:42
  Speaker 14: Andrew did via that Facebook post, which is simply holding
• 21:46
  Speaker 14: up a mirror to Middle Australia, and all of a
• 21:49
  Speaker 14: sudden there's vicious backgrounding going on. I can't understand why,
• 21:54
  Speaker 14: perhaps Andrew intimidates some of these types, because he is
• 21:57
  Speaker 14: a natural born leader, like just seem to express so well,
• 22:03
  Speaker 14: we need to stop talking about ourselves and get on
• 22:05
  Speaker 14: with the process of developing policy to convince Australians that
• 22:09
  Speaker 14: we are an alternative government worth getting behind.
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Now, he also made clear his position on net zero,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: but that's no surprise. Anyone who's been talking to Andrew
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Hasty for the last five years knows that he's been
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: opposed to net zero and that video he put out
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: talking about we need to make things in this country.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: That's hardly a policy specific an essential aspiration for people
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: in this country. And he's put an Instagram post up
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: now hitting back at his internal critics. These are people
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: who have apparently anonymously briefed journalists and had stories there
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: running against him, as if.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: They're all supposed to sit back and say nothing.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: You can't keep saying nothing, as you just outlined, Tony,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Is it time then to change the leaders Is it
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: too early to be talking about Andrew Hasty or someone
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: else as a new leader, or is it a matter
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: of Susan Lee just waking up and ending this pathetic
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: sort of period of purgatory.
• 23:05
  Speaker 13: Chris, it's certainly too early.
• 23:06
  Speaker 14: We have to hope and pray that Susan can become
• 23:10
  Speaker 14: Australia's equivalent of Margaret Thatcher, if you like. We're looking
• 23:14
  Speaker 14: for strong, genuine leadership in this country right now and
• 23:17
  Speaker 14: I'm hoping that Susan can deliver that for us. What
• 23:21
  Speaker 14: I don't want to see is colleagues attacking colleagues anonymously
• 23:26
  Speaker 14: in this way. It's not helping anyone. And I actually
• 23:29
  Speaker 14: thought the criticism was ridiculous because I didn't think.
• 23:33
  Speaker 13: The video was that will produced.
• 23:35
  Speaker 14: The content was great, but it was clearly done on
• 23:38
  Speaker 14: a budget. And yet the criticism was that somehow Andrew
• 23:41
  Speaker 14: had buckets of money to produce these flash videos. As
• 23:46
  Speaker 14: he pointed out, it was produced by a relatively young
• 23:49
  Speaker 14: staffer who's competent their job.
• 23:51
  Speaker 13: It's just ridiculous criticism.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Well, let's get to the policy though.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: I've just shown at the top of the program a
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: lot of what Donald Trump.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Had to say.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: He's all in on the energy to He says, stop
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: with the climate con Let's deliver cheap, reliable energy and
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: forget the renewables push. If there's ever a moment for
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: the coalition to come out and get on board with
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: that strategy, now is the time. You're trying to criticize
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: the mess that Labor's making of energy, but you have
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: no alternative. No one knows whether the Liberals support that
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: zero or not. Surely on that central issue where all
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: the costs and benefits.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Have been known for so long, the party needs a position. Now.
• 24:30
  Speaker 13: Well, that's a position I've been arguing for some time, Chris.
• 24:33
  Speaker 14: You might recall when one of the early party room
• 24:35
  Speaker 14: meetings I make the point that we need to have
• 24:38
  Speaker 14: that policy debate, and we need to have it before
• 24:41
  Speaker 14: Labor announced their twenty thirty five targets. My position on
• 24:45
  Speaker 14: that zero is well understood. I, like you, think this
• 24:50
  Speaker 14: is nothing.
• 24:51
  Speaker 13: More than a global con job.
• 24:53
  Speaker 14: What we need to be doing, though, is focusing on
• 24:57
  Speaker 14: how we might drive down the cost of electricity this country,
• 25:00
  Speaker 14: how we might, as Andrew's video make clear, get back
• 25:03
  Speaker 14: to building things.
• 25:04
  Speaker 13: In this country.
• 25:05
  Speaker 14: And for me, that's a technological approach and not a
• 25:08
  Speaker 14: taxation driven one. And the quicker we can come to
• 25:13
  Speaker 14: that position, the quicker the coalition can, in my respectful
• 25:17
  Speaker 14: and humble opinion, ditch the requirements around net zero on
• 25:22
  Speaker 14: these things, which will only see jobs exported and emissions
• 25:26
  Speaker 14: technically to other countries, the better we will be.
• 25:30
  Speaker 13: It makes no sense to me that.
• 25:31
  Speaker 14: We drive up the cost of electricity making it harder
• 25:35
  Speaker 14: to build a mission intensive things in this country, only
• 25:38
  Speaker 14: to see those products pop up on construction lines in.
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: China, for example. That just makes no sense at all.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: It is economic self harm. Thanks for joining us, Tony,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I hope to be whistling through your wonderful part of
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: the country in the next few days.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Tony passing there joining us from Mount Gambia.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Now coming up after the break, the latest on the
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Optus triple zero disaster. We get an apology from the
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Optis boss, but how can we ensure.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: This does not happen again? Now?
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: As you know four people died as a result of
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: that Optus triple zero failure last week.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: The company's CEO, Stephen Rue.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Front of the cameras again this afternoon, offering an apology.
• 26:28
  Speaker 15: There are no words, no words that can express how
• 26:32
  Speaker 15: sorry I am about the very sad loss of the
• 26:36
  Speaker 15: lives of four people who could not reach emergency services
• 26:42
  Speaker 15: in their time of need.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Now there's no sign of the CEO handing in his resignation,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: and it's going to have to going to be quite
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: a while, he says, until we get to the bottom
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: of what happened.
• 26:53
  Speaker 15: There are very many moving parts of this. We do
• 26:56
  Speaker 15: not want to release inaccurate information. Therefore are doing our
• 27:01
  Speaker 15: very best to be sure we have established the facts
• 27:05
  Speaker 15: before we discuss them.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Let's bring in tech expert Trevor Long, the editor of EFTM.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: She was us live from Sydney. Thanks for joining us,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: sir Trevor. First up, let's start on the tech side.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: How would something like this happen given they're supposed to
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: have systems in.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Place all the tell CODs that if there's.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Any outage, people automatically get rerooted, at least for triple
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: zero calls.
• 27:31
  Speaker 16: It's remarkable that we're going to have to wait probably
• 27:34
  Speaker 16: several months to find that out. The internal investigation, the
• 27:37
  Speaker 16: third party investigation will.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Be done by the end of the year, they say.
• 27:40
  Speaker 16: But essentially the blame goes on the people that performed
• 27:44
  Speaker 16: are simple it upgrade on the network that has been
• 27:48
  Speaker 16: done before, and Stephen Roue made it clear today that
• 27:50
  Speaker 16: it's really a three step process. They divert the calls,
• 27:53
  Speaker 16: they lock the network down, they do the upgrade, and
• 27:56
  Speaker 16: then they unlock the network and undivert the calls. In
• 27:59
  Speaker 16: this time, the diversion simply didn't happen. So whoever did
• 28:02
  Speaker 16: this upgrade, and it appears to me to be a
• 28:04
  Speaker 16: third party contractor of Optus Nokia who run their network
• 28:08
  Speaker 16: and their network operations center, they simply didn't divert the calls,
• 28:12
  Speaker 16: and that meant that the load of the network in
• 28:16
  Speaker 16: its change was broken and the upgrade simply didn't work.
• 28:22
  Speaker 16: And so the fact that some people did get through
• 28:24
  Speaker 16: to triple zero and some didn't is to me the
• 28:27
  Speaker 16: most alarming part here.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: It's a real failure of the core network.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: The point here is surely though, is if you're doing
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: something like this, you know how sensitive and important triple
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: zero access is wouldn't you be checking that? Wouldn't you
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: automatically be checking that throughout the outage?
• 28:45
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I think hindsight's twenty twenty. I'm pretty sure from
• 28:48
  Speaker 16: now on, any upgrade of any system at any telco,
• 28:51
  Speaker 16: and let's pick clear, I'm pretty sure Telstra and TPG
• 28:54
  Speaker 16: voterfone have spent the weekend going, hey, have we got
• 28:56
  Speaker 16: this all under control? Because what they did they did
• 28:59
  Speaker 16: the upgrade and then they went, okay, let's check everything,
• 29:02
  Speaker 16: and they made calls, checked, they checked the network. It
• 29:05
  Speaker 16: appeared to be fine and full customers. Remember, the network
• 29:08
  Speaker 16: was fine. You could call your mum, you could call work,
• 29:10
  Speaker 16: you could call anywhere except triple zero. So it's something
• 29:14
  Speaker 16: that I don't think they could have foreseen. But also
• 29:17
  Speaker 16: it just proves how much we need to test and
• 29:20
  Speaker 16: triple check the most important parts of the network, that
• 29:23
  Speaker 16: being triple zero.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and the other aspect of this that I've raised before,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: that I think is very alarming, and that is and
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: we'll get more detail, as you say, but it seems
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: that the first people alerted to complaints about this were
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: people in overseas call centers, and surely that might be
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: an unnecessary hurdle when it comes to escalating the problem,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: and how serious it would be here in Australia A
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: spot on.
• 29:51
  Speaker 16: And Chris again Hindsight's twenty twenty, and I'm sure all
• 29:53
  Speaker 16: the tolkos like Optics have now initiated a plan where
• 29:56
  Speaker 16: anyone calls a customer service center and mentions triple zero,
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: it gets escalated up the chain. But in this case,
• 30:02
  Speaker 16: I am literally fifty to fifty down the line on this, Chris.
• 30:05
  Speaker 16: If it had been an onshore Australian call center, they
• 30:08
  Speaker 16: may have done the exact same thing, because what they
• 30:10
  Speaker 16: did was by the book. They went on, Okay, you're
• 30:12
  Speaker 16: having trouble with triple zero, let's check see if the
• 30:14
  Speaker 16: network's working fine, it's fine. What suburver you are, the
• 30:17
  Speaker 16: tower's working fine, it's fine. Everything looked fine to Optus
• 30:21
  Speaker 16: and so they simply told them to essentially go away,
• 30:24
  Speaker 16: turn it off, turn it back on again. When we
• 30:26
  Speaker 16: hear and I hope we do through this inquiry. If
• 30:28
  Speaker 16: we hear those calls, what I'll be listening out for
• 30:31
  Speaker 16: was there an understanding of the importance of triple zero
• 30:35
  Speaker 16: by that call center operator, Because if that is, if
• 30:37
  Speaker 16: that's not there, then we have to worry.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: But the bottom line, the biggest failing that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 16: Office has here outside of the core network failing is
• 30:44
  Speaker 16: the fact that five people Chris called told them there
• 30:48
  Speaker 16: was a problem.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: And nothing was done.
• 30:50
  Speaker 16: So that escalation process is a failure, and that's where
• 30:54
  Speaker 16: the government should be able to essentially draw on their
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: ability to find the company over this failure.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: That's the massive problem.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: You know, someone has alerted them to the problem and
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: people haven't escalated that. Whether that's bureaucracy or personal failings,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: you know, it's such such a tragedy, such a tragedy.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us, Trevor. Appreciate your insights.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Trevor long there. The editor of e FtM knows all
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: about this stuff, and you know, they've just got to
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: get it right. They really just have.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: To get it right. Doubt We've got to go to
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: a break.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: On the other side, I have more about Donald Trump's
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: blockbuster speech at the UN. Will catch up with Dave
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Sharma on some of those issues. Let me just go
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: back to this speech at the United Nations by the
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I want to show you another clip.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: From this and this is the I don't know ecumenical
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump saying that he's willing to work with everyone.
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: They've come here today to offer the hand of American
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: leadership and friendship to any nition in this Assembly that
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: is willing to join us in forging a seafer what prosperous.
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: World, and it's a world that will be much happier with.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: He's willing to work with everyone.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Let me bring in Dave Shama, the Assistant Minister for
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Treasury and of course a former Australian ambassador to Israeli,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: joins us line from Sydney.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you, Dave.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: The key takeout to me from this speech or a
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: couple of policy areas where Donald Trump just accentuated how
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: far apart he is and his government is from the
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: alber and easy labor government. And first among those, of course,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: is the issue of the Middle East and this recognition
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: of the non existent state of Palestine.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump could not have been more.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Opposed to that, and he effectively criticized countries who were
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: turning up at the UN.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: To do that.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: What was your take?
• 32:52
  Speaker 17: That was my take.
• 32:52
  Speaker 18: He was very critical of countries unilaterally recognizing a Palestinian
• 32:57
  Speaker 18: state absent any other preconditions to make sure the states
• 33:01
  Speaker 18: committed to peaceful coexistence with Israel. And I mean interestingly,
• 33:04
  Speaker 18: one of the major meetings he had at the UN
• 33:06
  Speaker 18: afterwards was with a large number of Arab states, Arab states, Kata,
• 33:11
  Speaker 18: Saut here with the UAE, I think, also Indonesia and
• 33:13
  Speaker 18: Turkey to talk about a post war plan for Gaza.
• 33:17
  Speaker 18: And I think that just shows you that alst these
• 33:20
  Speaker 18: countries are at the podium, including Australia recognizing a Palestinian
• 33:23
  Speaker 18: state and dealing in fictions and platitudes, he's actually doing
• 33:27
  Speaker 18: the diplomatic work you'd expect to resolve this conflict and
• 33:30
  Speaker 18: put the Middle East on a more durable footing. And
• 33:32
  Speaker 18: that's the sort of effort that I would have expected
• 33:35
  Speaker 18: Australia to traditionally be engaged in, rather than empty symbolism
• 33:38
  Speaker 18: and rhetoric.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I noticed in that phone call we saw on the
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: street where Emmanuel Macron was on the mobile to Donald
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Trump trying to get through the traffic jot.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was trying to set up a meeting.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Trump wanted to meet with Macron and Katar, so obviously
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: still focused on Gaza and what's unfolding the other TPE,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: there's some progress underway. The other big policy difference or
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: contrast with Australia is on climate change and net zero. Now,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Trump uses what critics would call denyer retric. Let's put
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: that to one side. He's very focused on the pragmatism
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: of energy. He says net zero is a nonsense, renewables
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: are a nonsense.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: You've got to have cheap, reliable energy.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: He's right, and he isn't about time the Coalition got
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: on board for this practical approach to energy.
• 34:30
  Speaker 18: Well, I don't agree with everything Trump said in that speech,
• 34:33
  Speaker 18: but I do agree with his basic insight that cheap
• 34:37
  Speaker 18: energy is at the heart of a well performing, strong economy.
• 34:41
  Speaker 18: And that's been Australia's history and experience as well. When
• 34:43
  Speaker 18: we've had cheap energy, we've been internationally competitive. In the
• 34:47
  Speaker 18: last decade or more. When we've sattled ourselves with expensive energy,
• 34:51
  Speaker 18: not only have consumers paid more, but industries to become uncompetitive.
• 34:54
  Speaker 18: And you know, where's the Coalition need to be pursuing
• 34:58
  Speaker 18: cheaper energy. Cheaper energy for manufat acts, for industry, for
• 35:01
  Speaker 18: producers and for consumers, because ultimately energy is and input
• 35:04
  Speaker 18: into every feature of the modern economy.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you want to do that underlined at
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: all today, you had it in the inflation figures because
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: the electricity subsidies post election have come off and suddenly
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: energy prices go up.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: And inflation goes up.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Yet Jim Chalmers tries to tell us all, it's all
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: going along swimmingly.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Here's the treasurer under labor.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Inflation is down, our real wages are up, Unemployment is low,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: we've got the debt down, and we've seen interest rates
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: come down three times this year. Yeah, well, economic growth
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: is sluggish now interest rates are.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Going up again.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Inflic Sorry, inflation's gone up again.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: That's going to mean that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Interest rates probably won't be going down again anytime soon.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Just where are we placed here economically, Well.
• 35:57
  Speaker 18: Yeah, you've seen the monthly inflation figures tick up significantly
• 36:01
  Speaker 18: to three percent. Now you send electricity prices rise by
• 36:05
  Speaker 18: a massive twenty five percent year on year, which is
• 36:08
  Speaker 18: going to impact consumers. And yes, part of that's because
• 36:11
  Speaker 18: of the withdrawal of government subsidies, but consumers are still
• 36:14
  Speaker 18: going to see this in the next household electricity bill.
• 36:17
  Speaker 18: And the markets that had been pricing in with a
• 36:20
  Speaker 18: high degree of confidence a subsequent interest rate cut, are
• 36:23
  Speaker 18: now saying a hang on. The economy is not looking
• 36:25
  Speaker 18: in good enough shape or strong enough shape for that.
• 36:28
  Speaker 18: So I think these inflation figures show that the Albanezi
• 36:32
  Speaker 18: government's economic management is not working.
• 36:35
  Speaker 13: It's failing.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: But at the key of this, if we're all agreed
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: that we need to keep inflation under control, one of
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: the few factors the government can control is energy prices
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: and energy policy, and that's all gone in the wrong
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: direction for the past couple of decades.
• 36:54
  Speaker 18: Well, certainly that has, but I'd also point to government spending.
• 36:57
  Speaker 18: I mean, you've got government spending under the Albanizi gear
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  Speaker 18: growing at four times the rate of the economy. You've
• 37:02
  Speaker 18: got government spending as a percentage of the economy at
• 37:05
  Speaker 18: twenty seven percent versus a historic average of about twenty
• 37:09
  Speaker 18: four percent. Government spending public sector spending is fueling demand,
• 37:14
  Speaker 18: it's creating workforce and skill shortages, and that's adding to
• 37:18
  Speaker 18: inflationary pressures as well.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Great to talk to you, Dave, appreciate it, Dave Shama
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: their coalition front benure.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: We've got to get to a break.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we'll have the Wednesday wrangle with
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: James Bold and Justin Smith. We're going to talk about
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: this is amazing effort now by the Human Rights watchdog
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: to try and control what we say and hear about
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: climate change.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: It being Wednesday, let's wrangle.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: We've got Justin Smith, columnists and broadcast and author as
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: ever joining us from the wonderful city of Melbourne. Good
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: to see you again. Justin on the desk here with
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: the movie. We've got Sky News contributor James Bolt. Let's
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: get your thoughts first up general events in New York City,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: and we've got to start off with this wonderful image,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: a little glad in the hearts of people around the world.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Of course, the selfie.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Posted by our own Prime Minister proving proving I think
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: he's duck down to Madame Tissard's there, hasn't he justin
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: just to pretend he's put up with He's very very
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: keen to show the world that he did manage to
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: catch up with Trump face to face.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: You obviously haven't.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Got as much teeth white as Donald Trump, but they
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: did get to meet, however fleetingly.
• 38:29
  Speaker 17: Although he doesn't have as much tan either. Although I
• 38:31
  Speaker 17: might mention that nobody in the known universe has as
• 38:34
  Speaker 17: much tan as the orange prints, all.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: That particular shade.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I've got to say this.
• 38:38
  Speaker 17: Though, I don't think, gentlemen, that I have ever and
• 38:41
  Speaker 17: helped me out here. I don't think I've ever seen
• 38:44
  Speaker 17: Anthony Albanezia look happier, and he does at that particular moment.
• 38:48
  Speaker 17: Even when he won the last election, he didn't actually
• 38:52
  Speaker 17: look that happy. There was so much pressure on him
• 38:54
  Speaker 17: to finally say. Look, it's almost like those hostage proof
• 38:57
  Speaker 17: of life photos.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 38:59
  Speaker 17: He said, look, I do actually know him and he
• 39:02
  Speaker 17: knows me as well. It's an extraordinary shot and it
• 39:05
  Speaker 17: is and look at that.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: You can't and given a.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Large part of the reason Alberanizi won a second term
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: is because he so successfully associated the coalition with Trump.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: James.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: If I was Andrew Hurst at Liberal Party headquarters, I'll
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: be looking at getting.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Billboards made up of Albou with Trump.
• 39:24
  Speaker 19: Can't you hear the collective cringe from every single waiver
• 39:27
  Speaker 19: back then shirt I mean is the enemy, This is
• 39:30
  Speaker 19: the scourge of the free world. Man that's destined to
• 39:33
  Speaker 19: destroy Australia with tariffs and bring on all these culture
• 39:37
  Speaker 19: waters and Albanese.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: There's Albinisy.
• 39:41
  Speaker 19: Hey, this is my guy, like justin, I'm surprised he
• 39:44
  Speaker 19: didn't make Donald Trump hold up a copy of the
• 39:46
  Speaker 19: day's newspaper.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feel sorry for that waitress with a
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: tray of six glasses of punch that Albow knocked over
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: trying to get to Donald Trump for that photo. No,
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: I just made that story up. That didn't happen as
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: far as I'm aware. But let's have a look at
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: this other bit of Albow where there was this amazing
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: exchange with Latika Burke from from the seven network over
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: what access out of the Albaneze he had to Donald
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Trump's mobile phone.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Have a look.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: During the election campaign, he said on the separate debate
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: that Donald Trump didn't have a.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Mobile Since I did not say that. I did not
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: say that. Don't don't verbal. Don't verbal me.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, what do you think he said?
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: Well, I didn't say that.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't say that.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: He said, I did not say that Donald Trump didn't
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: have a mobile phone.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: But well here's what he said.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Just quickly, you know his number, you're texting.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure that he has a mobile phone. The
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: US president.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Was he caught out?
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: There? Was he not speaking the truth.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: He changed his tune halfway through the answer and he
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: said I didn't say that about four times and then said, well,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: if I did say.
• 40:59
  Speaker 19: It, I was just reaching through the memory box like
• 41:02
  Speaker 19: oh no. But honestly, like that is just so alban easy,
• 41:06
  Speaker 19: just the thin skinned way he treats the reporters like,
• 41:08
  Speaker 19: it's just so combats and to think on such a
• 41:11
  Speaker 19: day of success for him, it's still just got that
• 41:14
  Speaker 19: quick trigger anger the second reporter gets under his skin.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: It's it's weird, yeah, justin. I don't think anybody who
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: was ever on Twitter now.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Called X could ever have questioned the fact that Donald
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Trump had instant access to a mobile phone twenty four
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: to seven, yes, or somebody following him around with one
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: taking dictation, although we do know that it came from Trump.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad to hear that you guys sticking
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: up for reporters. You weren't so keen last week when
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump was going after John Lyon. So it's nice
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: to hear that you're sticking up for the reporters here.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: But what is it about these world leaders being so
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: but you know that becomes so touchy.
• 41:58
  Speaker 17: Honestly, with Trump last week and with Alban Easy and
• 42:03
  Speaker 17: that clip we just watched there. Come on, you're going
• 42:05
  Speaker 17: to get questions you don't like. It's going to happen.
• 42:08
  Speaker 17: It's part of the gig. If you didn't know that
• 42:11
  Speaker 17: that was going to be part of the gig, you
• 42:12
  Speaker 17: may have to go and find another job to do,
• 42:15
  Speaker 17: because that's just what it is. You might get asked questions.
• 42:17
  Speaker 17: You might even think they're stupid questions sometimes, but that's
• 42:20
  Speaker 17: the job it sure is.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Now let's go to.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Free speech and more on this because the Human Rights Commission,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: the Australian Human Rights Commission and any body that really
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: shouldn't exist anymore given what it's done over the years.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: It's now looking at making submissions to try and control
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: what we say. And here therefore about climate change. It
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: says climate related misinformation and disinformation impacts Australia's ability to
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: respond effectively to climate change, false narratives, distort public understanding
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: and road trust in science and institutions, and delay urgent
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: climate action. And they say, while regulation is necessary, it
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: must not come at the expense of free of expression.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Give me a break, let me give you the strong tip, James.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: They are not talking about getting rid of all the
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: exaggeration and fear mongering about how climate's going to kill us.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Aul.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: They want to try and shut down people who are
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: expressing skeptical views.
• 43:12
  Speaker 19: And the giveaway is in that quote, anything that stops
• 43:16
  Speaker 19: the urgent radical sorry, urgent climate action is apparently missing exactly.
• 43:20
  Speaker 19: So anything that's not an exaggeration of the claims can
• 43:24
  Speaker 19: be seen as misinformation. But this is something that elites.
• 43:27
  Speaker 19: They get to the first part of the sentence that
• 43:29
  Speaker 19: they should be getting to and then they go quiet.
• 43:31
  Speaker 19: They say they should say the quie part loud, which is,
• 43:33
  Speaker 19: we need to crack down on misinformation because we think
• 43:36
  Speaker 19: you're too stupid to figure out what the difference is
• 43:38
  Speaker 19: in information and misinformation. And we should hold elites like
• 43:41
  Speaker 19: the AHRC to account when they say what they say,
• 43:44
  Speaker 19: what they really mean when they talk about misinformation.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, spot on, And James's point is so on point.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: They're justin They give it away by saying that they're
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: all about urgent action.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Nothing can delay urgent action.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: So they're so hyper political and they're showing they're only
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: come at this from one side of the argument.
• 44:04
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I never thought i'd be agreeing with you on
• 44:07
  Speaker 17: anything to do with climate change but important, and I
• 44:13
  Speaker 17: had to look through the well, no it's not the
• 44:16
  Speaker 17: facts of climate change. But looking through these recommendations, I
• 44:20
  Speaker 17: don't see what it does for debate, And I don't
• 44:23
  Speaker 17: see what it really does for people who believe that
• 44:27
  Speaker 17: climate change is real and something needs to be done.
• 44:29
  Speaker 17: It just doesn't help. I'm really not sure what the
• 44:33
  Speaker 17: report is about. Look, no one wants misinformation or disinformation
• 44:37
  Speaker 17: about anything. I think the three of us would agree
• 44:39
  Speaker 17: if somebody is lying about something, whether it's climate change
• 44:42
  Speaker 17: or anything else, that's disinformation and we don't want it anymore.
• 44:47
  Speaker 17: But I just don't see what this recalled from those
• 44:49
  Speaker 17: Human Rights Commission actually does for debate.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: What does it do for debate? Correct them, call out
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the lies and correct them. That's what you've got to do.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: To quickly move on to this because I want to
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: get through Jimmy Kimmel.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Of course, as you know in the US said he
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: shows scraps last week because he said this about Charlie Kirk.
• 45:09
  Speaker 20: We hit some new lows over the weekend with the
• 45:11
  Speaker 20: Maga gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered
• 45:15
  Speaker 20: Charlie Kirk. As anything other than one of them, and
• 45:17
  Speaker 20: doing everything they can to score political points from it.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: That's part of what he said.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Now people will dress that up with some sort of
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: a free speech issue. He became the victim and they
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: put him back on here just now and listen to
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: this apology. He seems to be pretending he said something different.
• 45:36
  Speaker 20: It was never my intention to make light of the
• 45:39
  Speaker 20: murder of a young man. I posted a message on
• 45:42
  Speaker 20: Instagram on the daves killed, sending love to his family
• 45:45
  Speaker 20: and asking for compassion, and I meant it.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I still do.
• 45:49
  Speaker 20: Nor was it my intention to blame any specific group
• 45:52
  Speaker 20: for the actions of what it was obviously a deeply
• 45:55
  Speaker 20: disturbed individual. That was really the opposite of the point
• 45:59
  Speaker 20: I was trying to.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Me James, he denied saying what he said.
• 46:03
  Speaker 19: That's not an apology, and apology is I'm sorry for
• 46:05
  Speaker 19: what I said. An apology is not I'm sorry you
• 46:07
  Speaker 19: feel that way. Very important distinction.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Quick word justin.
• 46:13
  Speaker 17: I'm a fan of Jimmy Kimmel. I'd rather visit a
• 46:15
  Speaker 17: friend in hospital than watch him on TV. But the
• 46:18
  Speaker 17: whole thing has just been a circus. Let's not cloud
• 46:20
  Speaker 17: what really happened here, which was we had the government,
• 46:23
  Speaker 17: government bodies, and Trump trying to shut down a political enemy.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: That's the royal circus in all, we are right out
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: of time. I disagree entirely with that.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: I thought it was dumb because what he said was horrible.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: But he's back now so everyone can be happy.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Here's Peter Kredlin.