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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Table Talk here at the Philadelphia Sports Table
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  Speaker 1: podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show
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  Speaker 1: in the world, over twelve and a half years strong.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a great table talk show coming your way
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  Speaker 1: this week. First time, we've got three gentlemen on to
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  Speaker 1: dive into some NFL talk. There's a lot of storylines
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  Speaker 1: going on in the NFL season as we are finishing
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  Speaker 1: up Week twelve, looking at Week thirteen. The playoff picture
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  Speaker 1: is in our minds already at this point, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of teams are doing some interesting things and to
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  Speaker 1: join us this week from the Before the Snap podcast,
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  Speaker 1: they're getting their start there and doing a fantastic job.
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  Speaker 1: We have Jamison Hopkins, Peter Shay, and Daniel Montenegro. Guys, man,
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  Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking the time to join us here.
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  Speaker 2: Jamison, good to see you, my friend.
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  Speaker 3: It's no promise. Great to see you two. Thank you
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  Speaker 3: so much for having us absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Peter, good to see you as well. Appreciate you taking
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  Speaker 2: the time.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, I mean, I'm blessed to be here. I love
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  Speaker 4: being on these shows.
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  Speaker 5: I love talking ball and believe me, I got a
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  Speaker 5: lot to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we got some stuff to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: And Daniel is lucky to be on the podcast since
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  Speaker 1: he is a Dallas Cowboys fan, but we still love
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  Speaker 1: him of course, and Daniel not today to well. Thanks buddy,
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Man. Thanks so much for taking the time. Man,
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  Speaker 1: We appreciate it having us. You got it, you got it. Okay, Look,
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  Speaker 1: let's start getting into some NFL talk here, and of course,
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  Speaker 1: you know on on the precipice of I should say
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  Speaker 1: the the final the final aspect of the week twelve
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  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Cowboys, Los Angeles Rams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
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  Speaker 1: game that we saw last night as we're recording this
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  Speaker 1: on Monday, November twenty fourth. Here, I want to dive into,
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  Speaker 1: like the NFC in general, how the top of the
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  Speaker 1: NFC is shaping up, because the two top teams have
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  Speaker 1: been the Eagles and the Rams. Yet we know us
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  Speaker 1: Eagles and Cowboys fans saw yesterday how the Eagles squandered
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  Speaker 1: away a twenty one point lead and they let the offense,
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  Speaker 1: they let their offense. The Eagles let their offense have
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  Speaker 1: they I should say, they let the Dallas Cowboys back
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  Speaker 1: into this game. Eagles offense just absolutely floundering. Week after
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  Speaker 1: week during certain stretches in game. They lost that game
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  Speaker 1: on a last second field goal. Score was twenty four
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  Speaker 1: to twenty one. Meanwhile, you've got the Los Angeles Rams,
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  Speaker 1: who I believe also in their game I could be mistaken,
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  Speaker 1: but I believe they had a twenty one point lead
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  Speaker 1: as well over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But instead, what
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  Speaker 1: the Rams did was they basically put their foot on
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  Speaker 1: the Buccaneers throats completely dominated the game. We didn't see
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  Speaker 1: that from the Philadelphia Eagles. So in terms of these
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  Speaker 1: two teams that are at the top of the NFC,
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  Speaker 1: gentlemen and Jamison, I'll start with you, what are your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on the top of the NFC when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to how the Eagles have been playing as of late
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  Speaker 1: and how the Rams have been playing as well? What
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  Speaker 1: are your thoughts here?
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  Speaker 3: So right now, I think, right now we have a team,
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  Speaker 3: we have two different teams, one of which is amazing
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  Speaker 3: on paper and the other one is just playing on
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  Speaker 3: a whole other level. Yeah, of course I'll come out
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles and Rams. So coming into the season, of course,
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  Speaker 3: Eagles defending Super Bowl champions. They look great through the
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  Speaker 3: first four weeks. It's just they have been let down
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  Speaker 3: by one thing they're play calling. Kevin Patulo, he has
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  Speaker 3: been a very controversial figure in Philly this year. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of really odd fourth quarter play calls out of him,
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  Speaker 3: not a lot of offensive confidence underutilizing Saquon Barkley. And
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  Speaker 3: we saw that yesterday. This team got out to a
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  Speaker 3: twenty one zhering lead and just coasted checkdown after checkdown
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  Speaker 3: after checkdown, runs that went nowhere, screen passes that went nowhere,
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  Speaker 3: and it allowed Dallas to get right back into this game.
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  Speaker 3: And when forced to really make a play there in
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  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter for Philly, they just couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: They just not get the offense going in any sort
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  Speaker 3: of confidence, any sort of rhythm. They just didn't have
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  Speaker 3: it out there.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely all over.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Peter being an Eagles fan as well, the
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  Speaker 1: one thing we love to be on this podcast platform,
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  Speaker 1: quite frankly, is we're objective when it comes to our
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  Speaker 1: Philly sports teams that we follow. We're objective when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to the Eagles and other teams as well. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Jamison just kind of hit the nail on the head
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  Speaker 1: in terms of the offense, the way that they have
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  Speaker 1: been continuously stalling Kevin Patulo, his play calling, the coaching
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  Speaker 1: of Nick Sirianni as well him continuing to let this
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  Speaker 1: go on an offensive line that is banged up. There's
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  Speaker 1: the lack of cohesion. Also, the predictive of the play calling.
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  Speaker 1: When Will Shipley's out there, you know it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a pass play. You know that that is going
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  Speaker 1: to happen, because it continues to happen week after week.
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  Speaker 1: There are so many aspects of this Eagles team that
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  Speaker 1: are not good. There's so many aspects of this Eagles
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  Speaker 1: team that are good and underutilized as well. So I'll
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  Speaker 1: ask you, as a fan and being objection you know,
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  Speaker 1: being objective about this here when it comes to the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles as of late and the way they've been playing
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  Speaker 1: and the Rams how they've been playing, how are you
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  Speaker 1: deciphering this?
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  Speaker 5: Jeff, I've waited about twenty four hours to talk about this.
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  Speaker 5: I've been holding in white a lot. Have something in
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  Speaker 5: the back here, let me get it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he's moving, folks.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, it's her offensive play calling.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's a garbage can, folks.
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  Speaker 4: Garbage canulotulo. This seems very familiar. This is what we've
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  Speaker 4: been using.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, garbage garbage.
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  Speaker 5: It makes me want to cry if you do not
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  Speaker 5: take your children to an Eagles game when Kevin Patulo
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  Speaker 5: is the offensive coordinator, not you talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: It's predictable.
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  Speaker 5: It's like do you I can't even compare this to
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  Speaker 5: Brian Johnson because that's that's PTSD. Yes, this is like
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  Speaker 5: worst PTSD because not only like listen, not only is
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  Speaker 5: it bad, you are wasting a super Bowl roster, not
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  Speaker 5: a potential a super Bowl winning roster that can that
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  Speaker 5: when when they have a competent offensive coordinator like Kellen
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  Speaker 5: Moore can can.
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  Speaker 4: Win a super Bowl.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and not not only win a super Bowl, win
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  Speaker 5: against dominant teams like the Chiefs, the Rams, the Packers,
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  Speaker 5: the command Okay, the Commanders haven't been very dominant this season,
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  Speaker 5: but regardless, they can get it done without even blinking. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: do you know how incompetent With all your respect, nothing
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  Speaker 5: against them personally. I know a lot of Philly sports
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  Speaker 5: fans will get personal. We do not get personal here.
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  Speaker 5: Professionally though, What are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 5: I mean it's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they're doing the exact opposite of what the Rams
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  Speaker 1: are doing, I think at this point, right, Peter, because
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  Speaker 1: the Rams have a very nice looking roster as well,
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  Speaker 1: but the coaching and the leadership coming from the sidelines,
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  Speaker 1: the in game decision making really is is the strongest
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  Speaker 1: aspect of the Rams team at this point, am I.
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  Speaker 2: I'm correct, right absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: But the thing is is, obviously the Eagles beat the
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  Speaker 5: Rams in the regular season.
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  Speaker 4: I know they'll be delusional.
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  Speaker 5: Eagles fans be like, oh, we beat the earl of
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  Speaker 5: the year. Guess what the Rams have improved. They've gone
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  Speaker 5: up this way. Eagles are going down, yes, but the
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  Speaker 5: Rams are getting better as the season progresses, and that's
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  Speaker 5: what the best teams do. Look at us last season,
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  Speaker 5: we had that rough start, lost to the Falcons, to
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  Speaker 5: the Bucks. Besides the Washington game where Jalen got concussion,
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  Speaker 5: we didn't lose a single game for the rest of
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  Speaker 5: the season. We managed to elevate ourselves, you know, to
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  Speaker 5: look at ourselves in the mirror. And the Rams were
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  Speaker 5: easily able to do that as well. Yeah, and that's
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  Speaker 5: not mentioned. They didn't even trade for anyone big at
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  Speaker 5: the deadline.
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  Speaker 2: We did.
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  Speaker 5: We traded for Jalen Phillips, we got Michael Michael Carter,
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  Speaker 5: we got ja Yr Alexander. That lasted about zero point
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  Speaker 5: two seconds. Yes, yes, so you welcome Baltimore.
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  Speaker 1: But well, Jamie said, I'm sorry, Dan, I was gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: is we're moving along with the conversation, And like Peter,
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate your passion so much because I'm there with you, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: I really am just the tip of the ice.
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  Speaker 1: But like Dan, you know, yes you are, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan. And again, like just appreciate the objective
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  Speaker 1: nature of what this is. Because the Eagles are trending downward,
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  Speaker 1: like Peter's saying, I mean, they're they're they're trending downward
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  Speaker 1: from an offensive standpoint. When this Dallas Cowboys defense, quite
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  Speaker 1: frankly not the greatest defense in the world this season,
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  Speaker 1: as we all know, is able to stop this Eagles
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  Speaker 1: offense that, on paper, as Jamison said earlier, is a
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  Speaker 1: great looking offense. There are definitely some issues. How are
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  Speaker 1: you deciphering the Eagles and the Rams at the top
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  Speaker 1: of the NFC at this particular point in time.
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  Speaker 6: So when the Eagles were up twenty was tw one nothing,
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  Speaker 6: And yes, I really did think me and my dad
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  Speaker 6: was a Cowboys fan. We thought the game was over.
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  Speaker 6: You guys were going to score. In the first half,
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  Speaker 6: we put up thirty. Actually that's why I thought. But
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  Speaker 6: then when we've got we were moving down the field,
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  Speaker 6: and then in the second half we started making turnovers.
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  Speaker 6: We're like, okay, the Cow's offense on again, rhythm, Dak's
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  Speaker 6: trying to go down the field. Jeyce pickings to cast
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  Speaker 6: the ball. But then when I look at the Rams,
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  Speaker 6: when they started scoring, they didn't they didn't stop scoring.
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  Speaker 6: They kept going and going and going, and they was
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  Speaker 6: in a game after that. So this is a difference,
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  Speaker 6: especially adjustments for the coaches, so they're just on different levels.
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  Speaker 2: They're absolutely yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead, Peah.
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  Speaker 6: I love seeing you like this.
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  Speaker 5: Love it.
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  Speaker 2: That's friendship right there, man, that's friendship right there.
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  Speaker 1: But okay, look, the NFC, I mean, it's still a
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  Speaker 1: fluid conference here, and we're seeing other teams that are
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  Speaker 1: doing some real good stuff too. And there's a team
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  Speaker 1: I think that really is surprising a lot of NFL fans,
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  Speaker 1: and that is the Chicago Bears. The Chicago Bears have
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  Speaker 1: been somewhat of a surprise. I think this season certain
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  Speaker 1: of us thought that they were really going to be
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  Speaker 1: competitive in the NFC.
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  Speaker 2: North.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure a lot of us thought they would
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  Speaker 1: be eight and three competitive and at the top of
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  Speaker 1: the NFC North. As we are recording this again here
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  Speaker 1: on Monday, November twenty fourth, I'm wondering, guys, Jamison will
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  Speaker 1: start with you, what are your thoughts on how and
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  Speaker 1: why the Chicago Bears have seen so much success this
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  Speaker 1: season as we're heading into week thirteen here, what are
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts?
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  Speaker 3: Two words culture change. Obviously, they get the new head
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  Speaker 3: coach in here, Brian Johnson, right from Detroit after a
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  Speaker 3: plethora of successful seasons with them, But this is a
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  Speaker 3: team that finds ways to win. This is a young team.
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  Speaker 3: They got Roma Dunze, They've got Caleb Williams Cala Williams specifically,
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  Speaker 3: who has taken such a leap in year two. You
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  Speaker 3: might not see it from the necessarily efficiency, but what
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  Speaker 3: you will see is the turnovers are down, the touchdowns
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  Speaker 3: are up. The offense has been decently efficient and effective.
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  Speaker 3: The defense has been getting stops when needed. This is
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  Speaker 3: a team that's on I believe, a five four game
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  Speaker 3: win streak. They were four and three, they are now
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  Speaker 3: eight and three, and they did beat a decent team
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  Speaker 3: last week. This team. While I do not think they
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  Speaker 3: are a super Bowl contender right now, I think they
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  Speaker 3: are one big We're one developing offseason away from jumping
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  Speaker 3: into that tier because they are leading one of the
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  Speaker 3: best divisions in football right now.
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  Speaker 4: This is a.
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  Speaker 3: Division with the Lions and the Packers in it, and
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  Speaker 3: they are leading this division. And I don't think that
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  Speaker 3: was on the bingo card for a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: this year.
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  Speaker 2: They're absolutely correct, Peter.
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  Speaker 1: I look at this division when you have what was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be the Green Bay Packers contending for an
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  Speaker 1: NFC championship. You also have the Lions, who we saw
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  Speaker 1: what they did last year. They've certainly taken some steps
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  Speaker 1: back as well. But the Chicago Bears are surprising us
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  Speaker 1: all here. What are your particular thoughts on the rationaleen
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  Speaker 1: reasons why?
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  Speaker 5: Well, before I say anything, it feels like nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 5: five with Chris Farley, Robert Smiegel, Mike Myers, the whole
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  Speaker 5: SnO skit. They might want to start recreating that, what
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  Speaker 5: forty years later because it's sunny in Chicago right now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And.
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  Speaker 5: Like I said, I don't think they're a Super Bowl contender,
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  Speaker 5: yet I still want seats some more consistency out of
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  Speaker 5: Caleb Williams. But you got some young guys in there.
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  Speaker 5: You got the Romo Dunesa's, the Kyle maclong guys. I
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  Speaker 5: believe that's how you say his last name. You got
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  Speaker 5: the DeAndre Swift. What I love about this Bears offense
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  Speaker 5: is they don't rely on the big time players. They
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  Speaker 5: rely on the smaller.
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  Speaker 4: Guys as well, guys like Kyle mclung.
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  Speaker 6: Guy.
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  Speaker 5: They got Coaston Lovelin who went off yesterday, who's been
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  Speaker 5: one of the best tight ends in not just in
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  Speaker 5: his rookie class with Tyler Warren, but just in general.
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  Speaker 5: I believe he is he's like a couple hundred I
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  Speaker 5: believe in like the he's like five hundred and six
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  Speaker 5: hundred receiving yards. That's just off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 5: But they have so many stars or future stars, future
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  Speaker 5: young stars that they are getting.
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  Speaker 4: The ball to.
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  Speaker 5: It's not just you know, feed DJ Moore or feed
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  Speaker 5: Romo Dunez. They are spreading it out so well. And
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  Speaker 5: I'm glad you brought up the rest of the NFC
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  Speaker 5: North because I made a video yesterday. You can check
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  Speaker 5: it out on TikTok Instagram YouTube about how I believe
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  Speaker 5: the Packers earn a do or die situation. And this
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  Speaker 5: was before the Vikings game where they had to win
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  Speaker 5: that game. They could not afford to lose that game
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  Speaker 5: because I check their schedule out, they play they have
• 14:16
  Speaker 5: to play the Lions again on Thanksgiving, So the whole world,
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  Speaker 5: plus you know the uncles and ants who are the
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  Speaker 5: casuals of the NFL, They're gonna be checking them out.
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  Speaker 5: And you don't want to look bad there. But you
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  Speaker 5: play the Lions, you play the Bears, the Broncos, the
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  Speaker 5: Bears again, the Ravens, and then the Vikings. I would
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  Speaker 5: say at least five of those teams, not including the Vikings,
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  Speaker 5: will most likely end up making the playoffs. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 5: a tough and considering how Jordan Love hasn't looked like
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  Speaker 5: how we thought he would be, you know, this is
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  Speaker 5: the time where they need to prove that, you know, they're.
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  Speaker 4: A top dog in the NFC. That Micah Parsons trade
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  Speaker 4: was them going all in. Yeah, and this is it's
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  Speaker 4: so important right now.
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  Speaker 5: And let me ask you this, Jeff, do you think
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  Speaker 5: the Packers are in a more do or die situation
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  Speaker 5: or the Lions?
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  Speaker 4: Because I believe it's a toss up.
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  Speaker 1: It really is a toss up. But you made a
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  Speaker 1: good point with regard to the Packers here, because I
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  Speaker 1: think when you look at the Packers and you look
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  Speaker 1: at the stability of where the quarterback situation is at
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  Speaker 1: this point, I think I think there's something going on
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  Speaker 1: with Jordan Love, whether it is an injury or whether
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  Speaker 1: it is aspects of this offense that just aren't coming
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  Speaker 1: to him. And yes, he's had certain injuries with his
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver corps over the years. There is that chemistry
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  Speaker 1: that needs to continue developing as well. Jared Goff has
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  Speaker 1: had that with the Lions and with he's had it
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  Speaker 1: with his receivers amon Ra Saint Brown, Jamison Williams, like
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  Speaker 1: he's had that chemistry throughout this season. For the most part,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's do or die more for the Green
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  Speaker 1: Bay Packers at this point than the Lions, just based
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  Speaker 1: on the consistency of the quarterback play quite frankly, but
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  Speaker 1: a great question.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, But just to add to that, Yeah, like me, personally,
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  Speaker 5: I still trust the Lions.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not giving up on them.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's a do or I think they're
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  Speaker 5: way too talented I think we can all.
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  Speaker 4: Agree with that, right, damn right, Jamison, I believe that.
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  Speaker 5: I believe they're one of those talented teams, you know,
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  Speaker 5: roster wise, I mean that's just the offense.
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  Speaker 4: Defense. You got guys like Aiden Hutchinson.
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  Speaker 5: You have Alex Angeloni, you got Brian Branch, you got
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  Speaker 5: all these you know, great players that are finally healthy,
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  Speaker 5: you know, compared to last season. Yeah, I'm not worried
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  Speaker 5: about the Lions. I think they could still win the
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  Speaker 5: NFC North. The Packers, I'm not so sure about Love.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we need Toyota than Love.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's been the whole joke.
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  Speaker 5: Josh Jacobs has been banged up. We're not sure if
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  Speaker 5: he's playing the receiving court. The whole joke is there.
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  Speaker 5: They have like five wide receiver twos. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if they can like mesh them together and create the
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  Speaker 5: ultimate wide receiver one, but they need that, and I
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  Speaker 5: you know, I never want to assume this, but I
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  Speaker 5: always wonder when they made that Micah Parson's trade, did
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  Speaker 5: they you think it got in their head? Maybe they
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  Speaker 5: thought that they were, you know, bigger and better than
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  Speaker 5: they really thought.
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  Speaker 2: I I think that's a good point.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I think there was the conventional wisdom that they needed
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: that one defensive player that was going to help put
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: them over the edge. And I think from a mental standpoint,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: perhaps that really played into the sports psychology of the
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: team in general, where the offense said, Okay, you know what,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: we've got this weapon in Michael Parsons coming over. Perhaps
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: we don't need to quote do as much as we
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: are maybe expected to do or maybe that we should do.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: We're going to leave it to the defense to make
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: sure that we're out on the field more. And that
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: just really hasn't manifested itself as well. I mean, it's
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: a it's a great question. I also want to get Dan,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: you know, your opinion on the Chicago Bears as we
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: circle back and talk about this team that has been
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: doing some interesting things, as Peter was saying, over these
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: past few weeks here, and you take a look at
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: the schedule, it's going to be difficult for the Bears.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's going to be difficult for other teams
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: in the NFC North. Meanwhile, the Bears are at the
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: top here and it's a surprise. What are your thoughts here, Dan, Yeah, I.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: Just think like Jameson said the signing of getting of
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: Ben Johnson really elevated Caleb Williams because I did believe
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: that in the draft that he had the most potential
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: to be the best quarterback in that draft. Yeah, obviously
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: Jenny James had that amazing Rooki year took the Commanders
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: to the Energy Championship game. But it just shows you
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: what Ben Johnson has done for Killer Williams in his development.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: But also for the Bears to be content, I would
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: love to see them playing more playoff teams like they're
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: playing the Eagles if I'm not mistaken on Friday.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: On Friday, Yes, that's interesting game.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: I do think they'sion to win that. Sorry, Peter, they might.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: They might.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: We're going to be diving into it here on our
• 19:00
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• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and that's gonna be certainly an interesting matchup as well
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: as the Bears have been hot recently and as we
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: talked to Eagles.
• 19:11
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• 19:12
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• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Before the Snap podcast, and I want to dive into
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: one team again. I think that has surprised all of
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: us this season, all of us NFL fans, and that
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: is the New England Patriots. They have the best record
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: in football right now as of us recording this ten
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and two, not in a million years. Did I think
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: that that was going to happen this season when we
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: did our season preview here at the PST podcast show,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering, guys and Jamison, I'll start off with you,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: do you think this is due to the change in
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: coaching with Mike Vrabel at the Helm or is there
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: something else that's going on with this team where they
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: are running on all cylinders at this point, just pulling
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: out win after win here, What are your thoughts?
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: I actually have a lot of feelings about this. So obviously,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: same with the Bears. The Patriots had a huge culture
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: change this offseason. Obviously, Mike Vrabel was the former coach
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: of the Titans. End linebacker for the Patriots, and I
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: thought that the firing of Mike Verbel on Tennessee was
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: a very premature decision, and I knew it was only
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: a matter of time before he got back into the
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: league and started making waves again, and this was clearly
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: the year. So he gets the job with New England
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, this team goes from being
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: bottom of the AFC East to the top of it.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: And even with all of the prowess that Mike Rabel
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: has shown, as a head coach back in the NFL.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I think there's one hiring that has possibly been more important,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: and that is the hiring of Josh McDaniels. So obviously,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniel's is another controversial figure in the because of
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: his time as a head coach was not always gone
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: very well, specifically with Denver and the Raiders. But as
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: an offensive coordinator, I mean, he's been the offensive coordinator
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: of New England before when Tom Brady was their quarterback,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: and he has always been capable of coaching a very
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: nice system offense, and I think that's what we're seeing
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: with this Patriots team that has just been destroying teams,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: limiting turnovers, and creating efficient plays, which is why that
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: team is ten and two. They have played in admittedly
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: an easier schedule, which is to be expected considering they've
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: been four and thirteen in the past two years, but
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I don't think that takes away from the fact that
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: this team is still very good and they have beaten
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: good competition like the Bills the Buccaneers. Yeah, the team
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: has proved that they're for real, in my opinion, and
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: they're coming for that one seed right now as well.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said, Peter, for a
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: team and even like the Philadelphia Eagles, and this Philadelphia
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Eagles team is eight and three, and yes we're talking
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: about how they're trending downward, but not turning the ball over.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I mean that really has been a pedigree for this
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Patriots team. And not turning the ball over means you're
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: not giving the other team opportunities. And we haven't seen
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: it much with the Philadelphia Eagles outside of yesterday's game
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: against the Dallas Cowboys, not too many turnovers. But when
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it comes to the New England Patriots, there is something
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to be said for not turning the ball over and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why Drake May is able
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to continue to improve and develop upon his game as well.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts here on the Patriots.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, like you said, I mean coaching matters. I mean,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: if you're the Titans right now, you have to just
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: be face palming because like everyone expected this once he
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: went to the Patriots. Now, I'm sure we didn't expect
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: him to be this good this quickly, right, but.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: I mean you get a guy.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Who was a part of the Belichick regime and you
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: don't and people are surprised that he's acting like Belichick, Like,
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: are we really surprised? I expected the Patriots to be good,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: not this good. I thought there would be some growing pays.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: But shout out Drake May. Yeah, I mean, I mean, look,
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: this just proves to you a good coach can do
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: for a quarterback and a good coordinator. You know, a
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: certain person can start taking notes. But we will not
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: be dropping me.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: Overall, I think it's like I said with the Bears.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: I think it's the little things for the Patriots as well.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: The addition of Stefan Diggs, you know, yeah, the defense
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: getting guys like Milton Williams as well. I think it's
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: just this is what New England needed after Brady left.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: It was a cold hard reset, not to rebuild, a reset.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: Get younger guys in there, get a new generation of
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: players and coaches, and look, the Evil Empire is back. Okay, yeah, absolutely,
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: the Evil Empires is back. You know, a bunch of
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: greedy people up there in Massachusetts near Boston.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: But shout out to the Patriots.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: I will say this, they're a great regular season team.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: I will not say this team is a super Bowl
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: team until they at least win a playoff game. And
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: there's a game coming up December twenty first, New England
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Patriots Baltimore Ravens that may be one of the biggest games,
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: maybe even the biggest game of the season coming up.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: This will this will define the AFC. I think interesting
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: a lot of people.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting the Patriots, you.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: Know, I'm bringing up their schedule right now. They play
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: they play the Giants. Ooh, they play the Bills, they
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: play the Ravens, they play the Jets, and they played
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: the Dolphins. So the Bills, who are basically the AFC
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: version of the Eagles right now, just completely tanking and
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: now they have to watch their old arch nemesis, you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: start to pop off again.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: But that game against the Ravens, I believe whoever loses
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: that game, And I said this for the Ravens as well,
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: and I stand by it, but I especially for this,
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: I think there is a high likelihood that the loser
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: of that game will be a first round exit.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: I also said this on the TikTok and the YouTube
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: and the Instagram.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: You go check that out.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: Before the snap, I said that the Baltimore Ravens will
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: be a first round exit. Obviously, it depends who they play.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: But let me ask you this. I know we're talking
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: about the Patriots, but how far do you see the
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Patriots going in a particularly I like to say weak AFC.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: This is an interesting question because of the dynamics that
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: are at play with this team, brand new coach. As
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: we know, as we're talking about here, you have a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: developing quarterback. Where's that where's that quarterback's mind going to be?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Where is his body going to be towards the end
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: of this season to continue this success I think with
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: this Patriots team. I always hate to use the phrase
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: luck in sports, but let's be honest. There's there's luck
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: at times in sports. How the ball bounces, you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: where the puck goes in hockey, how that you know
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: how that basketball is coming down off the rim at times.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: You know, there's luck at times in sports. But with football,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I think when it comes to the culture and the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the the coaching that is in place, there is something
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: to be said for that, especially at the end of
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: the season as you head into the postseason, I think
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the Patriots could absolutely at this point win at least
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: one playoff game, if not too. At this point, but
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a really, really good question. And I also, Dan,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I want to get your take on the Patriots as
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: well here because I think, you know, it's it's interesting
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: to look at this team. And I go back to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: one of my friends of the pod here. He's one
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: of the editors over at ESP Nation. He's a Patriots
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: fan and has said to me years ago when Brady left,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: he said, Jeff, we're gonna be walking through the desk
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: for some time US Patriots fans. And they certainly were
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: walking through the desert with Mac Jones, and they they
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: didn't have direction at all, not just with the quarterback situation,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: with the defense just offensive personnel. Dan, I'm wondering, what
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: do you think about where the Patriots are going now,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: what their record means, and is it because of Rabel
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: here or are there other factors involved? What are your thoughts?
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: Yes, So, I think the having Mike Rabel there, who's
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: a culture that brings the pages back, helps not just
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: the team but the quarterback. Because once you have a
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: good coach and a good and a good quarterback, Yeah,
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: you could go places. Andy Vey Pets Mahomes, Yes, Mahomes.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: We've got we've got Jamison looking at Dan like he's crazy.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: That's why it's not like.
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: For the Pages. I think the ace is wide open,
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: like Peter said, because to be honest, the Coats do.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: I chose Daniel joneson the players, I probably don't know
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: Steelers be'st questions Ravens. Who knows?
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Then?
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: You then is the Bills? They they're so inconsistent. I
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: really don't trust them. And the Broncos they'd just be
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: the teeth a few what was it two weeks ago?
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: So I think that this might be the pages opening
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: pretty much. I could really see them being in the
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: AFT Championship game.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, all right, very good, very good.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Well boys got a lightning round here as we are
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: running low on time. So gonna ask you maybe to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: give me a very concise answer, maybe a couple sentences
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: when I ask these questions. Jamison will start with you,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: what do you think one of the most overrated storylines
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: in the NFL is this season, whether it's with a
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: team or a certain player's what's an overrated storyline that
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: we should be focusing on here?
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I think that the Denver Broncos as an offensive unit.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I think that that team, yeah, going into the playoffs,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: is not built for the super Bowl because I just
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: don't think their team is going to score points in
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: in the league we have right now, you just need
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: an offense. It's not the early two thousands. Yeah, I
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: don't think the team can win a Super Bowl off
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: of a dominant defense like they could back then.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, very good, Peter. What are your thoughts
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: here about the most one of the most overrated storylines
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: real quick?
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: You know I'm going to say this.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: I'm going to say rookie NFL quarterbacks. Yeah, I know
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: it's a weird one, but let me I like it
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: because you have cam Ward, you have Jackson Dart, you
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: have Shador Sanders, you have Dylan Gabriel, and I believe
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: the media is kind of thrusting them into the spotlight
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: or you know.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Because they actually do yes as they usually do.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: But really, I don't think any one of these quarterbacks
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: are ready to take that leap yet. I think they're
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: all all of them, and I love cam Ward as
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: a prospect, I don't think any of them are ready
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: to you know, lead their team yet. I think all
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: these teams are still in a rebuild. I think, like,
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: for example, the New York Giants, I did not like
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: the fact that they fired Brian dave Ball from a
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: you know, let's take away the biased EQUS fan in
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: me that love beating them, But I think that's that
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: was a bad decision.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: It's ruining his development.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: And what I'm trying to get here is we're rushing
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: them too quickly. Yeah, and I think Sador Sanders is
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: the perfect example. It's like you have one side saying, oh,
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: he stinks. You know, there's a reason he was a
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: fifth round pick, and the other people were like, you're
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: just a hater, you know, give him a chance. You
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: need to give these guys time. I think that goes
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: for the twenty twenty four class as well. I get
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: that that may end up as a legendary class, but
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: you know, be patient with these qbs. I think at
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: least one of them will, you know, become a really
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: good QB.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good overrated storyline for sure. And
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: to finish us up here, Dan, what are your thoughts?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: What do you think is one of the most overrated
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: stories here in the NFL as we're heading into week thirteen.
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: Yes, similar to a. Peter says, you gotta be patient
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: with these quarterbacks because you see Daniels and CJ. Stott
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: having great rookie years. You just expect them off the
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: off the draft just to let's play their ball. The
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: just play amazing. Yah, the rookie good boy for rookies.
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: You're going to the league. College football and the NFL
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: are too different. The speed is different, like your life
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: is very different being a NFL player from a college
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: football player. So I think be patient and let the
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: coach develop the quarterbacks correctly. Just don't fire him after
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: two years or three years.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Given the time.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, one of the something we talk about on this
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: podcast platform all the time is how the relationships between
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: players and coaches in any sport are so important because
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: then you're gonna have good things manifest on the field,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: on the court, on the ice, wherever it is. So
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I think that's a great way to end this conversation. Again,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: folks talking to Jamison Hopkins, Peter Shay, Daniel Montenegro the
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Before the Snap podcast. Gentlemen, it was great talking with you.
• 33:05
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• 33:08
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• 33:10
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• 33:18
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