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Dan Houser Slams AI, Yacht Club Games Needs a Hit, & Switch 2’s Best Games · Boss Rush Podcast - A Podcast about Video Games

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  Hello everybody, welcome back to the Boss First podcast, a great
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  place to play games and be better.
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  I'm one of your hosts, Corey Derrick and alongside me, as
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  always, is the PC muscle Racing itself, LA Ron Dawkins.
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  Hey, what's popping? Hey, La Ron.
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  Hey Corey, how you doing? The only reason why I'm looking
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  at my slide screen is because I'm trying to load the streams
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  and tonight I'm actually going to load the Twitch stream so we
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  can actually do some traction over on Twitch.
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  I feel like we need to start leading people to one place for.
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  Life. OK, well then, well then
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  everybody come to YouTube. But I don't, I mean, I'm just.
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  Think YouTube is the best spot? Yeah, YouTube is the best spot.
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  It is. I mean, come on, come on.
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  We've got over 1000, we've got over 1000 followers now.
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  Come on now. Yeah, we're almost at 1100.
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  Exactly. Speaking of the best spot also
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  here is PK Power Pat Klein. I know exactly where to lead
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  them. Yeah, you do.
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  Yeah, we're going to create our own platform, the Boss Rush
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  Network platform we're in. Scared to be the hottest spot is
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  scared to beat the Youtubes, the Metas, and the XS.
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  Wow, we we, we got boss rush, boss rush platform money.
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  I mean, we just do what the big guys do.
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  You just take more and more debt and you get other companies to
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  finance for you and you find suckers to, you know, pay for
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  stuff. And then you say I didn't agree
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  to that and get out of debt. Speaking of debt.
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  Learn. My my financial advisor would
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  not like hearing hear me even think about a strategy like
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  that. Well, that's how the real rich
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  people do it, so that. Is true.
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  That is true. You are right about that.
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  Screw the little man, go for the big fish.
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  Oh no. Speaking of big fish, also here
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  is that retro code Eddy V. Hello everybody, I'm in the
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  building with the boss rush crew.
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  Hi. With the Boss Rush crew, he acts
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  like he's not part of us. It doesn't want to be part of
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  us. Guys, this is his ex.
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  Interview Actually, no, no, no, no.
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  We'll be playing. Taking auditions for Nintendo
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  Power Block. Wait, no, no.
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  Pop Rock is my me and you. Corey is Corey and Ice Baby.
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  Nope, you can go back. You can go back to whatever
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  you're doing beforehand. Optional opinion, you can go
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  back there. They like you that issue.
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  And by they I mean you like you. I vote.
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  I vote Laron gets power black. Let's give it to someone else.
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  Oh no. Gosh, that's going to turn into
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  APCPC Nintendo hater show. Ernie is going to be a true
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  Power Black. Just it's going to explode.
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  I mean, we can launch my version the power, we can launch my
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  version the power block when Metroid Prime 4 drops.
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  Which is tomorrow, which is Thursday.
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  Thursday. Yep.
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  I just watched digital foundries kind of tech overhaul thing on
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  it. They seem to think it's pretty
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  flawless on switch too. They say.
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  They say it's like the best graphical game on the system.
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  Yeah, they say in the open world, though, it runs A1440P,
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  not a true 4K. It's like an upscaled 4K, but
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  whatever, who cares? Yeah Anyways, Metroid Prime 4
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  coming out Thursday. I ended up getting a.
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  Lot of shake coming out Thursday.
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  Holy crap. Well, holy, today was Assassin's
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  Creed Shadows. And Marvel, Marvel Cosmic was
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  yesterday. Yeah, I ended up getting that
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  too. I did.
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  I picked it up today. My son's going to want to play
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  that because he got all excited because Spider Man and Black
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  Panther are in there and he's those are like his two
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  favorites, so. Yeah, I played a little bit of
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  it. Hold on, what's the rest?
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  Of this week looking like. There's something else coming
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  out on Friday. What's coming on?
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  What's coming out on Thursday, Ed?
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  I know Assassin's Creed Shadow is this.
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  Octopath Traveler. Right, Octopath is.
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  Just a big one. Dang guys, there's too many
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  games. Don't forget Nectune and the
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  dice of Destiny. Oh.
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  Yeah, I forgot about that, Jim. Yeah, Assassin's 4, Assassin's
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  Creed, Marvel Cosmic Octopad, Travers 0 and Metro Pride 4 this
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  week. Those are the Big 4 this week
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  for. There's also one called Routine,
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  which is a first person sci-fi horror that some people have
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  actually been kind of looking into.
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  Interesting. It's like takes place on a moon
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  base in the 80s. Was some knock off James Bond
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  movie going on here? If James Bond was a horror.
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  And then we also got Sleep Awake came out today, I can't believe
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  it. Sleep Awake, another horror
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  game? Yeah, it's a horror game with
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  death cults, and it's got collaboration by someone from
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  the 9 Inch Nails. Oh.
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  Oh wow, that. Sounds riveting.
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  Let's see the. Whole idea can't fall asleep.
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  At the wait, wait, that the Avatar game's coming out, right?
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  The Avatar game. Yeah, the third person patch is
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  coming out. Oh, yeah.
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  Oh, OK, OK, OK, OK. I was like.
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  Yeah, cuz the movie's coming out soon I think.
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  Yes, and then the DLC that's tied to that's kind of loosely
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  tied, you know, the whole fire region area is coming out then
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  with the movie. Hey, Pat.
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  Yep, check out the, check out the check out the chat for a
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  second. I want to ask you something.
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  Pat, you're in trouble is Microsoft and Sony don't have
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  their next games out to next year, right I.
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  Think well, Sony just put out Ghosts of Yote so they're done
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  for the year probably. What's their spring game?
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  Because it's Wolverine next fall.
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  So their spring game would be Soros the House Smart Game.
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  OK, yeah, cuz Naughty Dogs game is not done yet.
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  Yeah, I think they said they want that one is far away,
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  Microsoft. The Kojima game.
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  I think it's far away too. Yeah, I think flight.
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  No, no Flight simulator. It's Flight simulator.
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  Gears 0 The Kojima game. What for Xbox?
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  Next year for Xbox. Yeah, like Kojima.
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  'S so far away. So next year it's next year it's
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  Fable, Forza, Gears, Halo. What's the other one?
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  There's they have five major games.
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  Clockwork Revolution is next year also.
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  OK. So.
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  Cuz prefer dark is got cancelled yeah I feel like that gang going
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  you. Didn't need to remind us that,
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  Eddie. Oh no Halo power Halo campaign I
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  think. Halo campaign is the first one I
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  think. No, the Halo is going to be the
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  last one because that anniversary ties in with the
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  Xbox and they're doing a big 25th anniversary.
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  If anything I would think I kind of feel like Forza is first.
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  Forza Horizon. 4 Gears? I don't know.
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  Who knows. Who knows.
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  Xbox probably even know. They'll probably all get
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  cancelled by the time this episode comes out, so who cares?
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  I mean, we'll see what happens. We.
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  All know it's going to be Elder Scrolls 6 is going to be the
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  first or the next Xbox title in 2029.
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  Yeah, they've only been working on it for the last like nine
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  years. Todd Howard comes out in this
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  raggedy leather jacket and his T-shirts all nasty, and he just,
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  they just locked him in a dungeon somewhere to work on
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  that game. Wasn't that that's.
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  Probably what that gateway in the desert is all about.
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  It's it's where they locked Todd Howard and and they sealed it by
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  demons. Was that the E3 presentation
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  when they show Elder Scrolls Six that everybody was like they
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  were, That was like one of their best E3 presentations from
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  Bethesda? I mean, it was like when they
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  were trying to go all multiplayer stuff, right?
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  Because like they did, I think that was the year they announced
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  Fallout 76, right? And then they did a bunch of
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  Elder Scrolls Online stuff and the free, that free to play
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  Quake thing was coming out, right?
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  Quake Champions, I don't know if that ever went anywhere, but
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  that was coming out. That multiplayer Wolfenstein
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  game, Youngbloods, I think was announced somewhere within that
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  time. Region somewhere, Maybe not.
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  Yeah, I could because I remember it was like they had a
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  presentation that was just like so awesome that everybody loved
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  it because the year previous it was like a bad year from
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  presentation wise. And then they came back out when
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  they just was hidden and everybody loved their
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  presentation for it. Yeah, well, you know, who knows?
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  E3. E3 RIP good riddance, nobody
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  likes you anyway. Hey.
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  All right, Speaking of not liking.
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  Winner E3. Now let's.
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  Talk about what we've been playing.
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  I'll go first because I've only been playing 1 1/2 things.
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  I finished Hyrule Warriors Age of imprisonment.
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  Ori, you beat a game before I did.
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  In 27 hours and change. Or he's not the only one.
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  I let's see, I'm trying to do a little some of the extra stuff
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  because the patch 1.0.2 added a bunch of like side stuff that I,
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  I don't know, it's just kind of like a turn your brain off and
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  smash buttons type of game for me.
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  So I'm, I've decided I'm going to do the, the, the old breath
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  of the Wild thing and try to 100% this game.
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  I'm going to try to do it. I don't know what that means.
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  Take off every icon. Every icon's going to change
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  color. Yeah, and there's Clorox
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  everywhere, I guess, but they don't tell you how many there
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  are or if they count towards your 100% level or if they're
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  just randomly placed throughout the world.
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  I don't know. I don't even know if they do
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  anything to be honest with you but.
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  They give you a little poo. No, not in this game.
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  Yeah, they do do. They are.
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  You sure? Are you sure?
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Well, I didn't get. It they give you a golden little
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  poo and what, they don't give it to you on screen?
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  Yeah, they give it to you in this one too, only you get it at
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  the results screen. Oh well.
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  But you get one for everyone that you find on the map.
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  Oh, OK. Oh no, those are the seeds.
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  I thought you meant a little poo.
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  I thought you meant the big golden poo that you get in
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  breath in Breath of the Wild. The.
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  Poo. What do you think the seeds are?
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  I don't know. Little rabbit because they
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  smell. They smell a little weird.
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  They all smell weird. Yeah.
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  I don't know. Anyways, I've I've really
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  enjoyed the story of this game. I really want a Breath of the
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  Wild style game with as Zelda honestly because I thought her
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  her story and Robert's story were actually really good in
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  this game. So.
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  But Next up is seems like petrol Prime 4 is up soon so that'll be
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  next on my list. But I've I also took a look at
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  the Destiny Star Wars expansion that came out today.
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  Renegades spoilers. For $15 a piece, you can buy
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  three sets of Mandalorian armor for your.
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  Wait, what? Yeah, from the show The
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  Mandalorian. No, I'm talking about the price.
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  Armor, yeah. I mean, that's.
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  What if you got a Grogu skin for ghost?
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  It might even be $20 this set, I'm not sure yet.
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  But yeah, it's, I, I mean, it's, it's definitely a Star Wars
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  themed Destiny expansion. There's even need.
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  That need that money. Yeah, anything, anything to get
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  people back into the game. Although I have heard this is
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  like if you want to jump into Destiny, this is the time to do
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  it because this expansion doesn't like, I don't know,
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  doesn't require much thought, but it introduces you to a bunch
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  of characters and you get lightsabers and there's a dollar
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  store. I have Kylo Ren at home
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  character and there's. A Say Dennis Pierce.
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  Yeah. Right.
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  I mean, there's some clear Knights of the Old Republic.
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  This guy I know just thinks it's funny.
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  There's some clear Knights of the Old Republic inspiration in
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  here though. There's character that's clearly
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  supposed to be Bastilla. And Corey's like, Corey's like.
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  What an utter disappointment. Dude, I said.
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  I said that like five years ago. When we when?
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  Look, when Cory Mitch's stuff that is a Dollar General or
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  Dollar Store thing, I just paused out laughing because I'm
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  just like, I have no worries. Well, and then there's a
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  character that's clearly supposed to be Darth Revan.
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  Like the helm. It's even the helmet and the
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  hood and everything from the Revan set in nice little
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  Republic. So Jabba's little that ship in
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  the Sarlacc pit are in there somewhere.
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  That's cool. It's it's definitely they
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  definitely made a Star Wars game that's not Star Wars, even
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  though Lucasfilm Games is involved in this expansion.
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  So I don't know, man. There's lightsabers, Han solos,
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  blasters, and exotic apparently. Any sabak?
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  There is a card game in here. I don't know what it is, but
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  probably no piracing though. Sabak is like the best thing in
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  that Star Wars outlaw game. You know how many hours I put
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  into Sabak? How many?
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  I don't. Know no.
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  I don't I, I. Just asked to tell you how many
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  if you don't know how many. I figure you would know.
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  I don't know, that game's great. I just.
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  Play till I win and then I'm like hell yeah.
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  That game's great, by the way. Star Wars outlaws it is.
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  Love that game. No, let's see.
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  No, I think that's it. That's all I've been playing.
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  You know what, Ed? We're skipping you.
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  We're going to go to Pat. Pat, What are you playing?
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  Well, I. I am trying to get through a lot
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  of my backlog before I tried before I add some more stuff
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  here coming later this week, but one of the games I decided to
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  play is Bayonetta 3 because I never actually beat that one.
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  Nice, yes? And I think it's the worst
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  Bayonetta game made. Oh, I oh, I've you're not the
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  first person I've heard say that.
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  Yeah, there's a, you know, I'm not a fan.
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  Like I appreciate the idea, but I'm not a fan how they put a lot
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  of the platforming techniques into the weapon that you're
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  holding and they only allow you to switch between two weapons.
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  So if you want to get a certain combination of platforming
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  techniques, you have to switch the weapons, do your platforming
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  technique and then re switch the weapons for a battle in the
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  game. It's a lot of going into the
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  menu and swapping things out to if you want to actually get like
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  collecting stuff and it kind of makes me very mad because it's
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  like wasting my time in my opinion.
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  I've I've heard people compare Bayonetta 3 to like Bayonetta 3
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  to the franchise is what is what Devil May Cry 2 was to that
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  franchise. It one it doesn't really feel
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  like Bayonetta that much. That plays that other characters
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  one in that game right the. Yeah, you play Viola.
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  Yeah, no, Viola. I don't know.
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  Yeah, the the. Punk the the one who thinks
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  she's all that, but you know, she's obviously the Comic Relief
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  and then she's got she's got Cheshire with her I.
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  Love that I thought the New York Cabbies hilarious wannabe guy
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  was the Comic Relief. What happened to?
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  Him he's only in it for like the first like 3 minutes and then he
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  disappears for the for the other Comic Relief now.
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  Yeah, but I don't remember that game very much.
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  I don't know it has some good ideas with the multiverse and
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  having the multiple Bayonettas, but they hardly give those
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  multiple bayonettas any screen time, so you don't really get to
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  see their how cool they can be. The combat's all right, the
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  combat's still good. That's probably the best thing
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  about the game is that it does have some pretty decent combats
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  and I do like how each like you can assign the monsters to go
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  out and attack for you. Now in this one, where instead
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  of them being tied to like certain scenes and then the
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  final, final bosses of each world is like a giant Keju
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  battle. One of them's basically a RIP
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  off of Godzilla. Another one is like this weird.
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  You're Madam Butterfly taking a bath and you're shooting bubbles
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  at the monster that's supposed to represent Son Son Goku.
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  Where? Son Wukong Goku.
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  Yeah. The Monkey King.
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  Yeah. I mean it, It's.
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  It's got that weirdness that you expect from Bayonetta, but the
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  actual like levels in the platforming, they have ideas
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  that don't work with how the game runs, mostly because of the
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  camera. Like they want Let's take a
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  combat challenge that I was very frustrated with.
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  It is a combat challenge where you're supposed to run the train
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  monster across every single enemy.
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  However, the camera is not your friend in this, and it doesn't
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  actually show you where all the enemies are.
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  Or they maybe like put it like right next to your character
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  and, you know, you kind of need more of an overhead to guide the
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  train along its path. So you're doing a hell of a lot
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  of guesswork and trying to figure out where to guide this
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  train. And then the controls, for some
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  reason just switch. You could be turning left, but
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  then depending on where the camera goes, the left all of a
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  sudden becomes a right. And it's, you know, completely
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  derails your train. Literally it.
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  It's not good. Unpopular.
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  Opinion Make this game for the Switch 1.
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  Unpopular opinion, I think Platinum was kind of over
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  Bayonetta. Well, Hideki, Hideki was done
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  with that. I well, honestly I think he left
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  immediately after. I he, I think he left.
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  He didn't even direct that game though.
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  He was just a producer. Yeah.
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  Yeah, a lot of a lot of games that when her decky directs, he
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  doesn't know, he doesn't do the follow up.
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  Like I think Okami would be his second game.
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  Okami 2 would be his actually. Okami 2 would be his first game
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  where he actually did the seat. Anytime he does something he
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  doesn't, he doesn't do the follow up if it comes out.
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  Well, he did Banner 2. I thought he did banner two.
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  I thought he did Nope banner. Nope.
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  Banner 2 is under a different director.
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  He was the producer, I think. You know what?
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  Yeah, Madam, Madam Google, I need to.
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  I need to know the answer to this.
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  Yeah, well, I mean, I'm still gonna go through it cuz like I'm
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  over halfway through the game. I want to beat it and then go to
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  Bayonetta Origins. Like I want, I want to finish
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  the series. Origins is so good.
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  It's a really good story. Great, great music.
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  Yeah, I remember liking Origins. I haven't finished that one yet
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  either, but I was really, really in the mood for something
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  flashy. And well, Bayonetta does serve
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  the flashiness. The traversal just pisses me off
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  in that game. But something I did really enjoy
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  that I'm playing is Pick Cross S the Capcom Classic edition.
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  You give me my pick Cross game, and you let me make Mega Man
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  characters out of these puzzles while listening to classic
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  Capcom songs like the Ghost and Goblins theme or some of the
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  Mega Man themes while making my puzzles.
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  It is awesome. Nice.
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  It is amazing. I'm so glad that they finally
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  came out with the Capcom edition.
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  It makes me excited that maybe that we can see a Square Enix
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  one would be super tight because they already did.
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  Second, they already did Bandai Napco so and they along with the
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  Capcom, they released an SNK version as well, which I have I
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  haven't touched because you know, it's Capcom.
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  I'd rather do the Mega Med one first.
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  I think there was those like Shadow Drop, I know there was a
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  story about them, but they have just like, yeah, they were doing
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  it. And then they just came out
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  because they were just like, yeah.
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  And if people want to try them, here's the demo for it.
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  I'm like, oh. They announced him like one week
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  before it came out and it was awesome.
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  Like it's like hey, here's 2 pit cross games for you.
• 23:17
  Yep. And then for Black Friday I
• 23:20
  picked up the Las Olaside because it was cheap and I was
• 23:24
  still in the mood for something flashy.
• 23:27
  And it is average. It is an average game.
• 23:32
  Very average. It it it's trying to be a Devil
• 23:37
  May Cry, but it's also trying to be an action RPG, and the
• 23:41
  systems kind of conflict with each other.
• 23:43
  But I will say the game is gorgeous.
• 23:45
  It looks like some of those environments are very pretty,
• 23:50
  and while the story is interesting, it's a RPG about an
• 23:55
  impressive empire. But then aliens invade, so, you
• 24:00
  know, trying to take care of, you know, stop the aliens from
• 24:02
  invading. And one stole your sister's
• 24:05
  soul. So you have to try and get your
• 24:06
  sister soul back. And you have a little flying
• 24:09
  dragon companion that you know, kind of hovers around you and
• 24:13
  sounds a little bit like Optimus Prime.
• 24:16
  If you they have a story about this, the history of his
• 24:22
  development of like from where the demo was, that's what the
• 24:26
  game is now. It's kind of fascinating because
• 24:28
  I'm like, they had to restart the whole thing over at one
• 24:32
  point and I'm like, yes. Yeah, it was a nine year
• 24:37
  development cycle, this one from one person to, you know,
• 24:41
  eventually a team. But I mean, it's it's
• 24:46
  impressive. That was one person that
• 24:48
  originally got this idea of, but it is very average.
• 24:53
  Your characters aren't really noteworthy.
• 24:57
  The combat's good, the environments are pretty, but the
• 25:01
  story is very like find the Mac Guffins that's scattered around
• 25:09
  the world while fighting these aliens that really remind me of
• 25:13
  Transformer. This whole thing kind of reminds
• 25:16
  me of Transformers in a fantasy world, but instead of machines
• 25:20
  that turn or robots that turn into cars, it's just geometric
• 25:25
  shaped aliens. Interesting.
• 25:30
  And they're, yeah. But yeah, that's why I've been
• 25:34
  playing. Nice Loron, what did you beat?
• 25:42
  See. Well, Pat wasn't here last week,
• 25:44
  but but but yeah, I announced that I beat a dispatch and I'm
• 25:49
  so glad you're back because I want to talk that.
• 25:53
  You dispatched dispatch. Yes, yeah, yeah, it is
• 25:57
  definitely. It is definitely probably my
• 25:59
  game of the year for this year, you know?
• 26:02
  Yeah, yeah. Can I tell you the wrong?
• 26:04
  A lot of people, a lot, a lot of people are saying that now
• 26:08
  after. Finishing that game and play
• 26:10
  through of it because I want to see some more, some different
• 26:14
  scenarios play out and this game I can't I, I said a lot about it
• 26:21
  last week, but I feel like I can't say enough about it.
• 26:23
  Like the, the humor and the, just the, the overall, like the,
• 26:26
  the story is just, it's just freaking awesome.
• 26:29
  Like like God, all the characters are endearing, Even
• 26:32
  the characters that the game is, is trying to make you hate, you
• 26:36
  know, you know, like all the characters you know, are like,
• 26:40
  are like memorable, you know, like there's something going on,
• 26:42
  like, you know, there's like there's like layers to them.
• 26:44
  Even the even the characters that you barely interact with,
• 26:47
  you know, stuff like that. It's just, it's just a really
• 26:50
  fun game and like I and like it. Like I was telling Corey last
• 26:55
  week that I was, that I was planning to like replay it.
• 26:59
  And I mentioned to him when I with that, that, that I usually
• 27:02
  do not just go immediately replay a game, you know, like, I
• 27:04
  usually try to move on to my next game.
• 27:06
  But the fact that the fact that I, I, I immediately like,
• 27:09
  started a new save file, you know, a new save file.
• 27:12
  I didn't overwrite my original save file because I do want to
• 27:14
  do comparisons of like, of like the overall scenarios and like,
• 27:17
  you know, like the percentages of what, what, what happens.
• 27:20
  Because in my second playthrough I did, I, I made some decisions
• 27:24
  that I thought would have been like, would have been like, you
• 27:26
  know, like more popular decisions and find out like only
• 27:28
  10% of like, of like the audience was with me on on those
• 27:32
  decisions. I was like, Oh, here I was
• 27:34
  thinking that, you know, like that.
• 27:38
  I, I know this like based on my first playthrough where I was
• 27:41
  trying to play like goody, goody and all that stuff.
• 27:43
  Like there is a, there is a big majority of gamers out there
• 27:47
  that play games, you know, with, with a hero type mindset and
• 27:51
  stuff like that. Because, like, because like, you
• 27:53
  know what I was like, I was like playing, playing and making
• 27:56
  scenarios with like 90% of the audience in some circumstances.
• 28:00
  There was a couple where I was like, you know, in like the low
• 28:02
  40s and stuff like that. But for the most part, like when
• 28:04
  I saw that 10%, I was like, woah, what the hell was I?
• 28:07
  Was I being an asshole that time?
• 28:11
  But yeah, the game is the game is amazing.
• 28:14
  I love the artwork. And the more and more I play it,
• 28:16
  the more and more I find new things to fall in love with
• 28:18
  about it and stuff like that. So yeah, that's the only.
• 28:20
  So that's so yeah, that's the only thing I've really been
• 28:22
  playing like, like the new character for for for tech Nate
• 28:26
  drop last night. And so I have been playing a
• 28:29
  little bit of Tekken, you know, just actually I've been playing
• 28:32
  to kind of just like get into a versus situation with the new
• 28:36
  character, Mia Rizzo. But I have yet to run across her
• 28:40
  online. Like it's, it's like, OK, if
• 28:42
  people are playing her, how come they're not playing her in my
• 28:44
  pool, you know, you know, but whatever.
• 28:48
  And but yeah, like, that's, that's really it for me.
• 28:51
  Like, nothing, nothing major. But I did want to, I did.
• 28:53
  I did. I am so glad Pat's back on the
• 28:55
  screen, though, because I did want to.
• 28:56
  I didn't want to tell him that I finally beat a game, another
• 28:59
  game this year. So that's, that's game #3.
• 29:02
  I am man, but something you just like sword right through too.
• 29:06
  Yeah, like, like I, yeah. So I beat, I beat one game 1/4.
• 29:10
  So like, I mean, it's December. I, I have, I have one more
• 29:13
  opportunity. So, you know, I say I beat four
• 29:14
  games this year, you know? You do.
• 29:18
  You can do it, Iran. I believe in you.
• 29:20
  I don't know. I don't know if it's going to be
• 29:21
  Metroid Prime, but who knows. Sure it is.
• 29:26
  You will. You'll be done with the game by.
• 29:28
  Can I play a game I've already beaten and then just and beat it
• 29:31
  again and then claim I beat? I beat a new game this year.
• 29:34
  Only if you do the harder difficulty.
• 29:37
  Huh. Only if you do it.
• 29:39
  On a, is there a harder difficulty in in dispatch?
• 29:41
  I don't think there is. Is there?
• 29:43
  No. Yeah, no, you said I can do any
• 29:45
  game, so I was just like if you we play.
• 29:49
  Play on hard difficulty. Oh I know this, I know this.
• 29:53
  I have. I have become that gamer that I
• 29:56
  will play him on easy mode. Don't give a damn.
• 30:00
  Playing on easy mode just means I have more opportunities to go
• 30:03
  explore. Yep.
• 30:07
  Sometimes we just want to relax and not get ourselves too
• 30:09
  frustrated, yeah. Sometimes I just want to smash
• 30:13
  through things. Sometimes you just want to
• 30:16
  smash. Yep.
• 30:20
  Smash easy mode for me is only when I finished the game before
• 30:24
  and I'll do it. No easy.
• 30:26
  But that's me. That's a personal thing.
• 30:31
  Ed, what are you playing? So I am working.
• 30:35
  I'm close to the end of Hyper Warriors age of imprisonment.
• 30:39
  I just got Branton. He's a not Garudo.
• 30:46
  Goron. Goron, yeah, he's like a junior
• 30:51
  one and I've seen one of his special attacks where he takes
• 30:55
  this big spear kind of sticks and like beating beat enemies on
• 30:58
  the head like real fast and it's so funny.
• 31:01
  I'm like, I love seeing this animation.
• 31:04
  But yeah, I just got him. So we're getting, I'm getting
• 31:08
  close to the getting further into the game.
• 31:11
  I think I'm about to get ready to turn the story over to Calamo
• 31:20
  and the Night construct, AKA that version of Link they
• 31:24
  they're about to infiltrate I guess.
• 31:26
  With yours. So what?
• 31:31
  Everybody already knew that it was him.
• 31:33
  They they put the story up before the game came out.
• 31:37
  Who was about about. That I don't know.
• 31:40
  So just a. Lot of people, I feel those
• 31:44
  unsubscriptions from our YouTube channel feel them click, click,
• 31:48
  click, click, click, click. Unsubscribe.
• 31:51
  Nintendo, like already reported on the story before the game
• 31:54
  came out. So that's nothing interesting,
• 31:58
  nothing new or anything. So doing that, playing Tomb
• 32:03
  Raider on Switch to enjoying that.
• 32:08
  Like I said, I played a little bit of Marvel Cosmic Invasion.
• 32:13
  I did pick up Wizard of Legends too, so I'm excited to play a
• 32:16
  little bit of that. Played Octopad Traveler on Xbox
• 32:21
  and getting back into clear as as clear as as Expedition 33.
• 32:30
  Yeah, I I hate saying clear obscure.
• 32:33
  I just wish it which is called Expedition 33.
• 32:36
  That's just so I'm playing that. I'm trying to get to the end of
• 32:43
  the first chapter so me and Corey can have that discussion
• 32:46
  and then like finish the game so I could give my true opinion
• 32:55
  about that gang once I finish it.
• 32:57
  So that's what I'm working on. I got Assassin's Creed shot up
• 33:02
  for started. That game too, so you might
• 33:06
  want. To try to get stuff.
• 33:07
  On that one, no, I saw her playing on the PlayStation, so
• 33:11
  she's I don't know how far she got, but she's she's at least
• 33:15
  played a little. I, I am, I did a little bit of
• 33:19
  Assassin's Creed Shadow for Xbox.
• 33:21
  I'm going to be picking up the switch to version a little bit
• 33:24
  later this month. Of course at the Pet Traveler 0
• 33:29
  I'm going to get a metro prior 4 I'm going to get.
• 33:32
  So there's like those gates that I'm trying to get, but I'm
• 33:35
  trying to get through a lot of the bossy like nominations and
• 33:40
  stuff. I do want to play dispatch but I
• 33:42
  think I'm gonna wait for it to come to Switch or Xbox since I
• 33:47
  don't have PlayStation and I know it's on.
• 33:49
  Steam, but I don't know if it's coming to switch.
• 33:52
  It might come. To switch it might come to Xbox
• 33:54
  but I don't think it's coming to.
• 33:57
  They have, right? Those two, those two sisters,
• 34:00
  they haven't announced yet or anything.
• 34:02
  I can see you coming in next. Year as much pole as I as I saw
• 34:05
  in that game, I don't think he's coming to switch.
• 34:10
  With all the like, the sex and stuff and and everything.
• 34:13
  Yeah, like, yeah, like I'm not saying it's.
• 34:15
  Gratuitous. There is a game coming out
• 34:16
  called Farm Love Animals. Turn your animals into sexy
• 34:21
  anime boys and girls. I'm sure that Dispatch will be
• 34:24
  coming to Switch. Right I.
• 34:27
  Think you'll check out the E shop?
• 34:29
  Yeah, like 3/4 of those games are called hentai, Yeah.
• 34:32
  See I don't see I don't hang out in the E shop because the E shop
• 34:35
  always depresses me because the games I want are never fucking
• 34:38
  on sale. I think Corey, you talked about
• 34:41
  last year you get the core, Corey, I think you said there
• 34:45
  was the one that might it's called like hentai simulator or
• 34:48
  hentai masks or something like. That yeah, there's like 6 of
• 34:50
  them. Like yeah, anime school, love
• 34:54
  your teachers secret lesson. That is one game coming out next
• 34:57
  week for Switch 2. Yeah.
• 34:59
  So let's see here. Let's hold on.
• 35:03
  Hold on, there's more. There is more.
• 35:05
  We need to have a segment every week of the hentai games coming
• 35:10
  out for the Switch. That is how many hentai.
• 35:13
  Games do we want to become. That every week.
• 35:16
  Do we want to become that Channel or that show?
• 35:18
  Do we want to? Do we want to be that that?
• 35:20
  Here the Ron. Is just for you.
• 35:22
  They're. Both on sale on on Switch Farm.
• 35:24
  Love Legend Transform your animals into anime girls and
• 35:28
  anime boys. These are not these.
• 35:31
  These are not games that I I want from my library.
• 35:34
  You asked trouble. With, but yeah.
• 35:39
  Hold on, Ed, Hold on. I'm not done.
• 35:40
  I'm not done here, Ed. Big trouble in little Chimney.
• 35:47
  A sexy Santa story. Let's see.
• 35:51
  Does. She get stuck in the chimney.
• 35:53
  I need step rather to help her. Oh God, let's see.
• 35:58
  All right, that's it for now. Yeah, but I could see
• 36:02
  dispatched. I mean, even with the concert
• 36:04
  stuff, I'm surprised that Sony would do it because Sony, they
• 36:09
  usually have a lot of sensor stuff compared to Nintendo that
• 36:13
  has in the past. So if there's anything, I think.
• 36:17
  I think Sony, I think Sony knew he needed to win.
• 36:22
  Yeah, and I and I don't know if they changed a lot of their
• 36:24
  stuff from PlayStation 4 to. PlayStation Well, remember the
• 36:27
  big controversy, quote UN quote with Devil May Cry 5?
• 36:31
  I guess there's like a shot where like you kind of see up
• 36:34
  some girl's crotch or whatever and they put like this blinding
• 36:37
  light like a yeah, this is the. Lady, if I'm not mistaken.
• 36:40
  Yeah, but it was only on the on the PlayStation version.
• 36:42
  It wasn't on the Xbox with PC. Yeah, yeah, PlayStation has
• 36:45
  some. PlayStation has some.
• 36:47
  What they published Stellar blade though, guys.
• 36:49
  Well, actually actually places on some weird censorship on
• 36:52
  games on on on games from Asia because because they because
• 36:57
  they decreased Tifa's bus size and Final Fantasy 7 integrate.
• 37:03
  Well I think they restored it in Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth.
• 37:10
  They probably did. I saw the big genie.
• 37:12
  Commercial, I think we all, I think we all saw.
• 37:14
  But I think I think this specialist still come to switch
• 37:18
  to I think Nintendo wouldn't wouldn't deny that, you know, if
• 37:23
  if that company wants to bring it there and yeah, and and
• 37:27
  stuff. And I feel like Xbox, I mean.
• 37:29
  Because of, I mean, it wouldn't, it wouldn't have any problems at
• 37:31
  all playing on the on the Switch, that's for sure.
• 37:35
  Right, because it's just an adventure game.
• 37:38
  It's a storyboard game. If it isn't, well, yeah, it's a
• 37:41
  it's a cartoon game. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:44
  So I don't think Nintendo would have any problem with it.
• 37:48
  I thought the cute, I thought the QuickTime events in the in
• 37:51
  the game were very were very were very imaginative, you know,
• 37:57
  because like some of them you legit had to be like, like if
• 38:00
  you blinked, you missed and you like screwed something up.
• 38:03
  Yeah. I think now that yeah, and I
• 38:06
  think now that all the episodes are out, I think they get easy.
• 38:11
  Just put it as a whole thing, a whole season on those two
• 38:15
  consoles it. Will probably be a physical game
• 38:19
  once they announce the physical version.
• 38:20
  I bet you that's when we'll see a Switch in Xbox version as
• 38:25
  well. The published by Limited Run
• 38:28
  Games be like Oh no. Yeah, you'll get it in three
• 38:31
  years. Forgot about it, right?
• 38:34
  The whole second and third season would be out of dispatch
• 38:37
  before the switch record comes. Boy, what if each but yeah got a
• 38:44
  physical from limited run games? Yikes.
• 38:47
  Oh, good, goody movie. But yeah, that's pretty much all
• 38:51
  that I'm playing and everything. I did try the demo Pat of the
• 38:57
  Pit Cross with the Capcom one. It was really nice.
• 38:59
  It was really fun. So yeah.
• 39:04
  So pretty much that's what I've I've been playing just trying to
• 39:09
  get a lot of the gaming of your stuff.
• 39:12
  The if if it comes down to it, I probably will get this special
• 39:18
  Steam 'cause I feel it's just like a pointed click kind of
• 39:22
  kind of thing. I've just wanted to get there
• 39:25
  'cause I know the Switch Pro controller now from Switch to is
• 39:33
  usable steam. So anyone who has the pro
• 39:37
  controller for Switch to you could use it on steam now.
• 39:40
  Yeah, if you don't have 700 Xbox controllers laying around or a
• 39:43
  dual shock, you can buy a switch to controller for steam.
• 39:48
  Yeah. Unless you want to wait for the
• 39:52
  weird looking controller they're putting out next year.
• 39:55
  Oh no. Which I know is supposed to
• 39:57
  mimic the Steam Deck. I know that's what the touch
• 39:59
  pads are. For the little touch pads in the
• 40:00
  front. Which is fine.
• 40:03
  Question book question book content design but.
• 40:08
  Ed, finish your game. I am.
• 40:11
  I'm finishing. I'm working on it.
• 40:13
  I'm just kidding. I'm looking at my list and I
• 40:16
  have beat 55 games now. Jeez, I have caught up.
• 40:21
  Jeez. All right.
• 40:23
  All right, well. You're my hero.
• 40:25
  Let's thank you. Let's stop talking about what
• 40:28
  we've been planning and getting to these few topics here.
• 40:34
  There's an interview where Dan Hazard criticized AI leaders as,
• 40:39
  quote, not the most humane or creative.
• 40:42
  In a new interview, former rock star writer Dan Hauser warned
• 40:47
  that generative AI is advancing too quickly under people who may
• 40:51
  not, especially who may not be especially humane or creative.
• 40:55
  In an interview, he said AI leaders often exaggerate the
• 41:00
  technology's abilities and act as if they understand humanity
• 41:04
  better than everyone else. Hold on, I got to zoom in.
• 41:09
  My eyes are getting bad. Hauser is also doubtful that
• 41:14
  about a is long term future, arguing that the Internet fills
• 41:18
  with AI made content. Future models will eat
• 41:21
  themselves and get worse. He acknowledged that AI can do
• 41:25
  impressive things, but believes much of the excitement is driven
• 41:28
  by stock market hype, and that the most deeply human aspects of
• 41:32
  creativity and innovation can still can't be replicated.
• 41:36
  Oh, I was there's a anime on Amazon that had AI dubbing on
• 41:43
  it. Yeah, they sold it.
• 41:44
  Bosch Fish day. Yeah, I I heard it.
• 41:48
  I'm like. I don't know if double fish
• 41:51
  sticks or something. I don't know something weird.
• 41:53
  Yeah, some kind of it's like banana something.
• 41:56
  Yeah, banana fish. Banana fish, yeah.
• 42:00
  Yeah, I don't know. I heard it.
• 42:02
  I was just like, oh, this sounds terrible.
• 42:06
  Like even the lip syncing, the like the lip syncing wasn't
• 42:10
  connected. The sound audio was was a
• 42:13
  horrendous like there was no emotion to it.
• 42:16
  I'm like they did a whole season of AI voicing of this, this is
• 42:20
  terrible and they want to do this for mega?
• 42:24
  Man, you remember Mega Man X4 and Mega Man 8 and that dubbing
• 42:29
  of those games? Yeah, like.
• 42:32
  Doctor Wiley this. Banana fish or the banana fish
• 42:37
  made that game look professional.
• 42:40
  That's how bad it was because Elite Zero had emotion when Iris
• 42:45
  died. What is my fighting?
• 42:47
  And. Then the guy and the banana fish
• 42:51
  is like no, please don't die. You know, I need space, get up.
• 42:59
  It's horrendous. I'm like, why did I not know
• 43:03
  about this? And so I'm like, if this is
• 43:07
  going to be in video games and if they think that this like
• 43:11
  players are going to fall for this, no, this is quickly going
• 43:14
  to lose a lot of companies money.
• 43:16
  It's in the finals. And now?
• 43:19
  That game, the finals by the arc Raiders team, oh, they have AI
• 43:25
  voices in there for call outs and stuff.
• 43:29
  My games doing really well. I think here's the thing.
• 43:32
  Here's my thing with AI, right, is like, I think that at the end
• 43:39
  of the day, and 90% of the people who play games or watch
• 43:43
  movies or whatever just want to be entertained.
• 43:45
  And if it's halfway decent or watchable or playable or
• 43:50
  whatever. They'll forgive it.
• 43:52
  They don't care like they won't, they won't just forgive it.
• 43:55
  They just won't care, right? It's only the people that are
• 43:59
  like hardcore into like protecting studios and you know,
• 44:06
  the artists and the voice actors and everything that are are
• 44:09
  going to like fight back, right? And that includes the studios.
• 44:14
  La Ron, you and I have different we You and I have similar
• 44:18
  opinions of AI, right? OK.
• 44:20
  When you said different. I meant like different from the
• 44:22
  industry, but I. Realized.
• 44:24
  Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think I think
• 44:28
  generative AI is a is a powerful tool for of inspiration and, you
• 44:36
  know, just obviously it makes funny things on the Internet,
• 44:39
  right. But like, you know, I think the
• 44:43
  the the main thing right now is that like it's put it the one
• 44:48
  job in games and in even in, you know, animation and stuff is is
• 44:53
  concept art, right? That's the, that's the first job
• 44:58
  I really see generative AI really kind of gunning for in
• 45:04
  terms of, of that sort of thing. But I mean, I use AI for work
• 45:12
  like for summarizing articles and and stuff like that.
• 45:16
  And if I didn't, I like, it's made my job infinitely easier,
• 45:21
  right? But I would never like use it to
• 45:26
  create a drawing that I'm going to go like post as mine or
• 45:30
  something, right? But like also there are
• 45:34
  different types of AI. We've been seeing and using AI
• 45:37
  in games for years, right? What do you think Speed Tree is,
• 45:40
  right? Like you think every tree in
• 45:43
  every game you see is handcrafted and and done by an
• 45:46
  artist? No, it's done by Speed Tree and
• 45:49
  all the grass you see is generated and all the water you
• 45:51
  see is generated, right? Like that's all already AI, you
• 45:56
  know, it's just we got used to it and stop calling it AI
• 46:02
  because it's just a tool we use now.
• 46:04
  I always compare it to like when hand drawn animation started
• 46:10
  going away and computer animation started coming in,
• 46:12
  right? It's AI and obviously like the
• 46:17
  major corporations are trying to use it in other ways, but I
• 46:23
  think that the knowledge you need is going to change based on
• 46:29
  what AI can provide you as a tool, right?
• 46:33
  Because hand drawn animation took four to five years to make
• 46:37
  a movie, right? Computer animation dropped it
• 46:40
  down to two, right? And, you know, rigging
• 46:45
  characters to animate and move, like that's all some form of AI,
• 46:52
  you know, it's just changed the way we think of how animation is
• 46:56
  done or movies are made, right? Like CGI and now all these other
• 46:59
  things. It's it's just another tool that
• 47:02
  future generations are going to use like, you know, we use
• 47:07
  tablets or something, right? So.
• 47:09
  The the difference, the difference between it is that
• 47:13
  doing it to the hand drawing animations, they didn't they
• 47:17
  have to use sales to do animation.
• 47:19
  They didn't even have the technology that we have now to
• 47:24
  make anime in a cleaner and simpler.
• 47:28
  That's my point. That's what I'm saying.
• 47:30
  But it it still takes a big group of people of artists to
• 47:34
  make anime or you know, and everything I.
• 47:38
  Think that's what I'm that's what I'm saying.
• 47:39
  I'm saying the knowledge on how to use the tools is different,
• 47:43
  right? Like it's animating something on
• 47:46
  a computer is way different than in animating something on paper
• 47:49
  or a cell or, you know, something like that.
• 47:53
  Because it's because those movies cost a lot of money when
• 47:56
  they was doing our sales compared to what a sell shaded
• 48:01
  on on a tablet is now and everything.
• 48:05
  And I think that's the thing. I think there's a history behind
• 48:09
  that that I think people need to like look at it, understand.
• 48:14
  And if you knew that history, that's why people would have
• 48:17
  that opinion about AI and what it does to entertainment to the
• 48:23
  arts and that sense. That's why they sometimes when
• 48:27
  they when they see it and it feels cheap and they voice their
• 48:30
  opinion on about it is because of the history that came before
• 48:35
  AI and what it all took to make a production enjoyable or make
• 48:42
  it. You know, example of this is a
• 48:45
  good way of doing stuff or being creative and everything.
• 48:48
  So if you go to AI, you people think that you go to AI, you
• 48:52
  just type something and it's automatically done.
• 48:54
  And people who party work in the industry of AI.
• 48:58
  No, it actually takes more than that.
• 49:00
  It's just that the work that when it's being produced, that
• 49:04
  AI system does it in, in a fraction of time I would say.
• 49:10
  Yeah, Pat, what do you think you're, you're quiet during this
• 49:15
  AI conversation, I mean. It's, I get that AI is
• 49:22
  definitely going to be the future.
• 49:26
  And I see you brought up a lot of good points about how AI has
• 49:31
  always been a part. I think one, what's making it, I
• 49:36
  guess harder is that now AI is going to be the one kind of
• 49:40
  making the ideas. If that's, you know, before it's
• 49:46
  a tool, we were the ones who are controlling the tool and now
• 49:49
  we're telling the AI to control the tools.
• 49:53
  Yeah, I think. I think that's what's kind of
• 49:56
  making that's scaring everything and it just doesn't have the
• 50:02
  same human touch as if a human was controlling the tool.
• 50:07
  Yeah, I think. I think generative AI though,
• 50:13
  will be present in a lot of games moving forward, I think,
• 50:18
  right? People are calling out Fortnite
• 50:19
  right now for finding, theoretically finding generative
• 50:23
  AI in it right now. But I think the AI we're going
• 50:27
  to see, which is something that I've been learning a lot about
• 50:30
  recently through work, is something called agentic AI,
• 50:32
  which is like you create an AI bot essentially to perform
• 50:38
  specific tasks so you can focus on something else, right?
• 50:43
  Like essentially like the busy work bot, while you kind of go
• 50:48
  off and do something, you know, more productive than doing the
• 50:51
  busy work essentially. And it's really interesting and
• 50:57
  fascinating to watch these things work in a way that isn't
• 51:04
  overly, you know, bashed through social media or the Internet or
• 51:09
  whatever, right? 'cause there are actually like
• 51:11
  really interesting cases that are being used, you know, and,
• 51:17
  and obviously games are different than some sort of like
• 51:23
  enterprise IT store to space, right?
• 51:25
  But like, you know, it's, it is interesting.
• 51:30
  And I wonder if that is going to be used at some point in a major
• 51:34
  way to create, you know, I don't want to say like generate,
• 51:42
  generate art assets or anything, but like, you know, oh, we, we
• 51:45
  need a, we need code for gravity, right?
• 51:50
  And, you know, we don't have time to like research and do the
• 51:54
  math for like our, our game takes place on Mars.
• 51:59
  What's the gravity on Mars? So we can accurately depict how
• 52:01
  you can jump across the world instead of, you know, what's the
• 52:04
  gravity on Earth, you know, and, and I think you're going to find
• 52:07
  some really interesting physics based things and you know, stuff
• 52:13
  like that. Like I would, I would, I would
• 52:15
  wonder if the next Mass Effect, for example, because you're
• 52:19
  visiting different planets, might use something like this or
• 52:24
  the next Destiny or something like that.
• 52:27
  I do wonder like didn't. Wait, didn't I have have
• 52:31
  something like that in the very beginning?
• 52:32
  Like it it would generate it would generate new planets.
• 52:35
  Well, it would. You could find the planets and
• 52:39
  they were procedurally generated, and then the life you
• 52:44
  would find on those planets was also procedurally generated and
• 52:46
  you can name it and scan it and do all whatever if you were the
• 52:49
  first one to find it. I I do wonder if, if this
• 52:56
  becomes a big thing just in gaming itself, is this going to
• 53:00
  bring production costs down? Is it going to make Oh yeah
• 53:03
  cheaper? Oh yeah, it's.
• 53:05
  Going to make. Production.
• 53:06
  He's going to bring production costs down and make.
• 53:09
  I think. Make make it cheaper to produce.
• 53:11
  It's not going to make it cheaper on the consumer to buy.
• 53:13
  I think it's going to make games come out faster, right?
• 53:16
  Like we always complain about 5-6, seven-year development
• 53:19
  cycles. I think you get a game out for
• 53:23
  half the budget and half the price, right?
• 53:26
  And and not half the. Well, half the budget and half
• 53:29
  the. Half the production cost.
• 53:32
  Yeah. It did, so it did.
• 53:35
  But also that's. Like that's all we need is more
• 53:38
  games, right, Cuz there's. Right.
• 53:39
  Yeah. But it's gonna be like, okay,
• 53:43
  The thing is done. But like if this comes out
• 53:46
  broken, how long are the updates are gonna be?
• 53:49
  It's gonna fix this. It's going to be another.
• 53:51
  It's going to, well, that's the thing about it.
• 53:52
  Like I like, I don't think AI can fix itself is the problem.
• 53:56
  So like, it's like if game comes out broken and like, let's say,
• 53:58
  let's say one of these monolithic, you know, publishers
• 54:01
  like EA or somebody, you know, they're like, they're like it
• 54:04
  comes out broken. EA is going to be like, are we
• 54:07
  even going to like spend them? Are even spend the money like to
• 54:10
  like to like try to fix it, you know, because first going try
• 54:13
  and fix it using AI. And when they realize AI is not
• 54:15
  going to be able to fix it, then they're going to be like, well,
• 54:17
  we're well, are we going to hire a team, which is probably no,
• 54:21
  you know, hire a team and programmer.
• 54:22
  This and that's going to be the stuff that people are going to
• 54:26
  be like, well, I'm not going to trust you as a developer.
• 54:29
  And I'm like, if this stuff comes out broken a lot on the
• 54:32
  AI, like with the publish releasing this stuff like this
• 54:37
  could really be strange things. Revolting against, against the
• 54:40
  idea like we yeah, like we've seen we've seen news in the past
• 54:44
  few since in the past six months about how teams would like, have
• 54:47
  either just like walked off projects or just, or just
• 54:49
  sabotage production of, of, of games because, you know, like
• 54:52
  the the overlords, you know, want, want to use more AI to
• 54:55
  like in the creation process. I know Nintendo was just like,
• 54:59
  no, we're not doing that. We, we need people to make games
• 55:02
  for our make. Our well, Nintendo, Nintendo's
• 55:04
  saying it for their house, you know?
• 55:07
  Yeah. They're not saying it for.
• 55:09
  They're not saying it for every time Dick and Harry that wants
• 55:11
  to just publish a game on the Switch.
• 55:13
  Yeah. And I could see like AI being
• 55:16
  helpful to like a lot of indie games, like a lot of indie
• 55:19
  developers who may be like a one or two person team and
• 55:24
  everything. And if AI, if they could use AI
• 55:27
  and it can help their game, but they're still development.
• 55:30
  Like even if they did 90% of the development or even 85% and AI
• 55:34
  did the rest, even if if it's done right and it's not
• 55:38
  noticeable or anything. And they admit that, yeah, we
• 55:40
  did use some AI because in these situations we have to use it.
• 55:45
  We are small team. We didn't have the budget to
• 55:47
  hire more people. But if this game sales, maybe
• 55:51
  for our next game, we'll be able to hire more people where so we
• 55:54
  don't have to use AII think if people sadly have to say that
• 55:59
  and admit that maybe it is a possibility that more people
• 56:03
  will become acceptive to to AI well as gamers AI.
• 56:07
  As gamers, we appreciate transparency.
• 56:09
  We do so, you know, like it's easier.
• 56:12
  It's it's easy. It's always easier to well, it's
• 56:15
  funny because like the old saying, usually is, is easier to
• 56:17
  ask for forgiveness than it is for permission.
• 56:20
  But in most, but in most cases when it comes to gamers, like we
• 56:23
  would prefer you to ask permission, you know, than to
• 56:25
  beg forgiveness because like, you know, like we as gamers, we
• 56:29
  don't like being flim flammed. So, you know, like if we if we
• 56:31
  turn around, we start playing something, we realize, hey, like
• 56:33
  nobody put any real production talent to this game, you know,
• 56:36
  like, you know, like we are immediately going to be pissed,
• 56:39
  you know? Yeah, but I think you look at
• 56:41
  the two biggest games of the year, Battlefield 6 and Call of
• 56:45
  Duty, right? Both used AI for their skins
• 56:49
  and, you know, their weapon skins and some of the charms and
• 56:52
  stuff. So like, again, it comes back to
• 56:57
  if people are entertained, they don't care, right?
• 57:00
  The vast majority of people and add to your point, like yeah, AI
• 57:05
  could definitely help indie teams create games, but most
• 57:10
  indie developers are the ones fighting against the AI stuff,
• 57:13
  right? So I don't know, it seems it
• 57:16
  seems very backwards, right? Like this huge team should be
• 57:19
  able to not do these things without using AI.
• 57:21
  It's the small teams that need it to to get their game out
• 57:25
  faster so they can make more money to make their next game.
• 57:27
  But it's actually like very backwards.
• 57:30
  So it, it, it is just, and, and like I said, if it really helps,
• 57:34
  like for the Indies, like I said, if everybody helps them
• 57:37
  because of budgetary reasons, I think we as gamers should at
• 57:40
  least respect that and understand, hey, they did it.
• 57:44
  You know, we know that AI is becoming a big thing and it's
• 57:47
  changing how production is being done.
• 57:52
  Like if if it's men, if it's something that's minimal, that
• 57:56
  doesn't break the game and it just helps them in a right way,
• 57:59
  in a good way. And we end up loving the game.
• 58:01
  We end up loving the indie game. Maybe they're the next game.
• 58:04
  They can build out the team. Maybe they'd be like we did
• 58:06
  success. We did 50,000 sales across these
• 58:09
  platforms, which helped us be able to have a higher budget,
• 58:13
  which enables us to help help us hire those people that we use AI
• 58:18
  for now that they could come in and, you know, put a system in
• 58:23
  that works. And yeah, you we may charge more
• 58:27
  for our next game because we got more people, but now our game is
• 58:31
  fully done by humans in the sense, you know, and I and I
• 58:36
  think a lot of indie developers don't want to say that.
• 58:39
  But if they I think if they just say it and be like, yeah, we had
• 58:42
  to because we had no choice to get our game done.
• 58:46
  And and because a bunch of reasons, I think that would be
• 58:49
  understandable. But if you are like a big
• 58:52
  company who can make a game and who's known to make great games
• 58:56
  with the big team to reduce that staff to use AI and then it
• 59:01
  comes out janky, that's not only going hurt your reputation as a
• 59:06
  as a company, that's going to hurt that whole franchise that
• 59:11
  people won't be like, well, I may not return to this franchise
• 59:14
  because you use AI and this is what this is what it turned out
• 59:18
  to be. Yeah, I think within the next,
• 59:22
  I, I mean, I don't think AI is really going to affect games
• 59:25
  with and for probably about the next decade, I think you'll
• 59:28
  start seeing a lot more AI being just because of the way
• 59:31
  development cycles are in these how these large language models
• 59:34
  are being, you know, constructed and, and all these other things,
• 59:38
  right? But like, I think at some point
• 59:40
  you're going to see games and other entertainment mediums
• 59:46
  start saying this game was made without AI, or you're going to
• 59:50
  see the ChatGPT logo or the Gemini logo or the Nano Banana
• 59:56
  logo or, you know, some of these other AI tools, right?
• 1:00:01
  You're going to see those logos up there with like the havoc
• 1:00:03
  logo and and you know, these other things that you use to
• 1:00:07
  create these games. So but we'll see.
• 1:00:12
  I mean AI is a big thing right now.
• 1:00:13
  Maybe in a year the bubble will burst and nobody cares.
• 1:00:16
  You know, maybe it'll be used for some things when others.
• 1:00:21
  So we'll, we'll be revisiting this topic for sure, probably
• 1:00:25
  down the road, but. Now, what I would actually be
• 1:00:30
  excited to see is something akin to like Ready Player 1.
• 1:00:35
  And AI would have to be a really big part of that is to have
• 1:00:40
  these interactive worlds that you can visit and just, you
• 1:00:45
  know, act like yourself or a character and the world would
• 1:00:50
  react to you. Yeah, well, that's what Ubisoft
• 1:00:54
  was talking about doing within their games, right?
• 1:00:57
  It was like, oh, well, you know, we can only do so much in terms
• 1:01:01
  of like conversation building and stuff.
• 1:01:03
  But like if we used AI to have, you know, characters react in a
• 1:01:08
  way that makes sense, you know, you could go from like 15
• 1:01:12
  different conversation trees to 100 or 125 or whatever and it
• 1:01:16
  would, you know, react to you based on what you're doing.
• 1:01:20
  But. Yeah, it it would literally be a
• 1:01:22
  true role-playing experience then.
• 1:01:25
  Like, imagine a Baldur's Gate. But yeah, you have the complete
• 1:01:30
  and utter freedom to do how you want, where you want, you know,
• 1:01:35
  and able to accomplish your goal.
• 1:01:37
  Yeah, I think that would be incredible.
• 1:01:41
  Yeah, we'll, we'll be there at some point, I'm sure.
• 1:01:48
  But let's, let's move along here.
• 1:01:53
  Small. A big story for a small,
• 1:01:57
  smallish story. I don't, I don't know how much
• 1:01:59
  of a conversation we're going to have about this, but it's kind
• 1:02:02
  of a, kind of a, something I wasn't expecting to read today.
• 1:02:07
  Yacht Club Games, says MENA the Hollower is a quote make or
• 1:02:11
  break release for the studio. As many of you may or may not
• 1:02:17
  know, you know, they're, we are friendly with them.
• 1:02:20
  You know, Celia and and Sean, we've interviewed them and had
• 1:02:24
  them on the show before. The studio behind Shovel Knight
• 1:02:28
  says their future future depends heavily on the success of its
• 1:02:31
  long delayed game. Mina the Hollower Co founder
• 1:02:36
  Shawn Velasco told Bloomberg that the release is make or
• 1:02:39
  break because the studio has spent most of its money on and
• 1:02:43
  paused other projects, including the 3D Shovel Knight game
• 1:02:46
  they've been working on and off on, which was also kind of
• 1:02:49
  confirmed during this conversation.
• 1:02:54
  He said selling 500,000 copies would secure the company, while
• 1:02:58
  selling only 100,000 would put the cut would put the put it in
• 1:03:03
  a difficult spot. Even though Shove a Knight has
• 1:03:06
  sold 3,000,000 copies since 2014.
• 1:03:09
  Still, by the time Nina comes out, that's 12 years ago, you
• 1:03:12
  know, I mean. Marketing director and friend of
• 1:03:16
  show Celia Schilling added that this a studio is quote only as
• 1:03:20
  strong as your last game. Highlighting the pressure on
• 1:03:23
  media MENA, which has grown far beyond its original 2023 release
• 1:03:28
  plan, Velasco says the company would still survive if the game
• 1:03:31
  underperforms. But they'd quote need more money
• 1:03:34
  to keep going. I like that comment by Celia
• 1:03:38
  because because like it might not have been the case 20 years
• 1:03:42
  ago in gaming, but it's definitely the case now.
• 1:03:44
  Like, you know, like, like the studio, like the studio is only
• 1:03:47
  as strong as his as his last game.
• 1:03:49
  You know, that is that is so true because like we not not
• 1:03:53
  we're not even going to use the example of how like certain
• 1:03:56
  games are just underperformed and like the develop and and the
• 1:03:59
  publisher shut, shut down, you know, future production games.
• 1:04:02
  But sometimes like, you know, like gamers have basically cast
• 1:04:05
  the the thumbs up and the thumbs down, you know, for an entire
• 1:04:08
  studio based off of 1 game. Even this even this studio has a
• 1:04:12
  pedigree. But even though the studio has
• 1:04:13
  to make a pedigree of like 13 games long and stuff like that,
• 1:04:16
  you know, like that, that most recent game, if it was, if it
• 1:04:19
  was trash, gamers walk away. Yeah, I mean Ed.
• 1:04:26
  I like. I like that comment.
• 1:04:27
  Yeah, Ed, you and I talk about Pixel Castle a lot with Blossom
• 1:04:34
  Tales, right Where? Yeah, they put it on on Steam
• 1:04:38
  and they were literally depending on the Switch release
• 1:04:41
  to stay open and, you know, and create their next game, which
• 1:04:45
  ended up being the sequel to the Blossom Tales, but.
• 1:04:48
  Blossom tail then. It they would want they needed
• 1:04:51
  to sell as many as it did on Steam to stay open at least for
• 1:04:56
  another however long, and it ended up selling initially like
• 1:04:59
  4 times as as many copies as the steam version did.
• 1:05:04
  Yeah, that was during a lot of the early Switch days.
• 1:05:08
  A lot of Indies putting their game on Switch was keeping their
• 1:05:11
  doors open because of those Switch sales.
• 1:05:14
  And me and Corey was talking to, yeah, we talked about it.
• 1:05:18
  Then when we brought in the conversation of double dipping,
• 1:05:21
  that was that was helping the company stay longer open.
• 1:05:26
  So it's to, you know, even just to hear this and see this, I was
• 1:05:30
  kind of a bit confused because I'm just like, but you guys have
• 1:05:35
  had Shovel Knight on what's more platforms.
• 1:05:38
  You got the meebos who so Well do you have merchandise sales
• 1:05:42
  and I? But this Shovel Knight's 12
• 1:05:45
  years old, you know? Yeah.
• 1:05:47
  And like, well, yeah, 3,000,000 copies.
• 1:05:50
  And like how many people bought it on sale?
• 1:05:54
  Yeah, 3,000,000 copies across the the span of 12 years is not
• 1:05:57
  impressive. I mean 3,000,000 copies, the
• 1:05:59
  3,000,000 copies, the number is impressive, but the dollar
• 1:06:02
  amount is not impressive over 12 years.
• 1:06:05
  But the question is, you did a Kickstarter, so does that factor
• 1:06:09
  into the conversation or does that?
• 1:06:11
  Not because of Mina was kickstarted and like.
• 1:06:15
  Shovel Night was kickstarted I. Think I know it was, but Mina
• 1:06:18
  was kickstarted and you know. The article does say this game
• 1:06:22
  was originally supposed to come out at least two years ago,
• 1:06:25
  probably more like 2 1/2 years ago.
• 1:06:27
  And like, 2 1/2 years is a long time to kind of like, you know,
• 1:06:33
  spread that money out. You know, I mean, even for a
• 1:06:36
  studio, that's what, less than 20 people, right?
• 1:06:40
  Right. And plus, they also published
• 1:06:42
  that one game for another developer.
• 1:06:45
  Yeah. Cyber Shadow, yeah.
• 1:06:47
  Cyber Shadow, Yeah. It's so it's, so it's the, the
• 1:06:51
  financial situation is kind of being, I think it's weird to me
• 1:06:55
  because of their, the successes and the Kickstarters and them
• 1:07:00
  just being around longer 'cause it I kind of feel like are is,
• 1:07:06
  is this. Like we we talk to other Andy
• 1:07:09
  publishers regarding when I was at Paxy's with Steph, we did
• 1:07:14
  talk to other indie developers about Kickstarter.
• 1:07:16
  Kickstarter while it is good they usually like put the goal
• 1:07:21
  way less than what they actually need the Kickstarter to be just
• 1:07:25
  so that they can try and go ahead and hope to get some
• 1:07:30
  funding later on down the road by a third, third publisher.
• 1:07:34
  But they said you know you need at least over 100,000 to make a
• 1:07:39
  decent game and most kick starters tend to go down to like
• 1:07:43
  50 just to try and reach that goal.
• 1:07:46
  And not not exactly the same thing, but like, you know, board
• 1:07:49
  games and card games, like people design those with their
• 1:07:52
  own money. They they their kick starters
• 1:07:55
  literally are only for manufacturing costs a lot of
• 1:07:58
  them. Yeah.
• 1:07:59
  Or like the books that are on there are only for publishing
• 1:08:02
  costs, right? Like.
• 1:08:04
  Yeah, the main, let me say this real quickly, Ed.
• 1:08:07
  The main thing about Kickstarters for gaming is used
• 1:08:10
  to get front end money for to start the development of a game.
• 1:08:14
  But also the other big reason for Kickstarters is to generate
• 1:08:18
  buzz and hype for a game. A kick starting kick starting
• 1:08:22
  for most games is basically a, you know, a test bed for the
• 1:08:26
  marketing for a game to see how it could, how it could perform.
• 1:08:29
  You know what, as it's getting closer and closer release, if
• 1:08:31
  not at launch itself. Yeah, 'cause it that's why like
• 1:08:36
  I know the right you mentioned, you know 3,000,000 sound
• 1:08:39
  suppressive, but that doesn't mean that, you know, a business
• 1:08:44
  could be open because it's like if you look at Shimmu 3 like
• 1:08:50
  that did what, two or three quick kickstarters and the gang
• 1:08:55
  came out and it was questionable content did the way that people
• 1:08:59
  took yeah, but Shimmu is a. Known product that was also
• 1:09:03
  revealed at it on Sony's E3 stage.
• 1:09:08
  You know, Well, yeah. So they got a publisher, yeah,
• 1:09:11
  as well. They only kick started a small
• 1:09:13
  portion of that. Shovel Knight got big because of
• 1:09:16
  how popular IGN was at the time and they were reporting on it,
• 1:09:19
  right? And that, you know, it also Dang
• 1:09:23
  and Rampa the same way, right? Like it was prominent on a site
• 1:09:28
  like IGN for the few people who were into those games at the
• 1:09:30
  time. And so, like, you know, Shovel
• 1:09:33
  Knight's Kickstarter took off because of their, their, you
• 1:09:37
  know, IGN interview and everything.
• 1:09:40
  And so, like, you know, now we look at it, I mean, Ed, the, the
• 1:09:45
  3DS and Wii U versions of Shovel Knight were $20.00, right?
• 1:09:49
  Yeah. It wasn't until they like,
• 1:09:51
  started releasing the treasure trove pack where it was started
• 1:09:56
  to go up to $40, right? So like.
• 1:09:59
  Right, 'cause they had they had the main game and all the DLC.
• 1:10:01
  Yeah. So, you know, I mean that
• 1:10:04
  initial out of that initial what, 3,000,000 copies, you
• 1:10:08
  know, maybe the 1st 500,000 copies were like 20 bucks, you
• 1:10:13
  know, 700,000 copies were $20, you know, that they junk.
• 1:10:19
  That's like half the revenue. And then you got to pay, then
• 1:10:23
  you got to pay the the, you know, 30% to Nintendo, you know,
• 1:10:28
  and like if you want a place, you know, proper ad placement on
• 1:10:32
  their store, like you got to, you know, you pay them that.
• 1:10:36
  And I mean, I know like the E shop was like years behind what
• 1:10:40
  PlayStation and Xbox were at the time.
• 1:10:42
  But like, yeah, you know. But I, I, I think that you know,
• 1:10:46
  with definitely having the Xbox director come out with a, a
• 1:10:51
  deputy PlayStation, having a God of War level like given to them,
• 1:10:56
  you know, and then the fiscal rations and stuff, it just feels
• 1:10:59
  like that. Yeah, but then you're paying for
• 1:11:02
  the licensing, right? Because you got to pay Microsoft
• 1:11:04
  the licensing for a battle toads.
• 1:11:05
  You got to pay Sony the licensing for God of War, right?
• 1:11:09
  And then, you know, on top of the 30% plus you look at how
• 1:11:13
  much like a marketing budget, you know, marketing for a
• 1:11:17
  marketing budget for a typical indie studio is like 1/4 of the
• 1:11:21
  budget of the game, you know, Yeah.
• 1:11:23
  So if your budget is like, you know, $50,000, you're spending
• 1:11:28
  almost 20 of it on marketing, you know, like that's.
• 1:11:32
  I think a lot of you, yeah, because I I agree with you guys.
• 1:11:35
  I think a lot of people are just thinking that Shovel Knight was
• 1:11:38
  such a big success because over the years it's so these many
• 1:11:41
  copies for indie game. You would think that they would
• 1:11:44
  have money in the bank where they wouldn't need Kickstarter
• 1:11:48
  or anything else to follow up with their game with me the the
• 1:11:52
  hollow work. But I guess that.
• 1:11:53
  Like that money spread over 12 years plus, like a, you know,
• 1:11:57
  they've only published what, three games outside of their own
• 1:12:01
  developed games. And like publishing costs, like
• 1:12:03
  getting into publishing costs a lot of money.
• 1:12:06
  And then you, you know, even your physical copies cost money.
• 1:12:10
  It's like, you know, obviously the price goes down the more
• 1:12:13
  units you order in bulk, right? But like, you know, that's cost
• 1:12:18
  money. And then on top of like shipping
• 1:12:21
  the units to stores and stuff and yeah, all that and, and you
• 1:12:27
  know, paying the the platform holders like you're spending a
• 1:12:31
  lot of money to where you're only bringing in about 35 or
• 1:12:34
  maybe 40% of that money if you're lucky, you know.
• 1:12:38
  And I think that's why people who who will read this may get
• 1:12:41
  confused because of the success of Shovel Knight.
• 1:12:44
  They would be like, you mean if you sold 100,000 copies, you
• 1:12:48
  wouldn't, it would be a make or break.
• 1:12:50
  But but then he said even if we did that number our, our doors
• 1:12:55
  wouldn't close. So it's confusing to the reader
• 1:12:57
  and to the reader if you. Read the whole article though.
• 1:13:00
  Like, yeah, this company would stay afloat, but they're going
• 1:13:03
  to have to lay people off, you know, and really stretch their
• 1:13:06
  next game out. In the story, I think Nintendo
• 1:13:10
  Live, I read it all. I know they said that, you know,
• 1:13:13
  they had two teams and then they had to combine them into one
• 1:13:16
  team and and stuff. Yeah, well, that's where that 3D
• 1:13:19
  Shovel Knight game was coming in, right?
• 1:13:20
  It was like that second team was working on that off and on.
• 1:13:23
  Yeah. But now it's now it's like all
• 1:13:25
  hands on deck for Mina and hopefully like.
• 1:13:28
  And this is, and this, yeah. And it, I guess Mina, the
• 1:13:32
  follower is getting more additional stuff added on to it.
• 1:13:35
  So, you know, I think that's maybe one of the reasons of the
• 1:13:38
  delay. So that affects the budget,
• 1:13:40
  which I can understand, which I completely understand.
• 1:13:43
  And I, I just, I kind of feel like with the success of the
• 1:13:47
  demo, cause a lot of people did love the demo.
• 1:13:49
  They've criticized it for a little bit here and there, but
• 1:13:51
  not too much. I think they're going to surpass
• 1:13:54
  100,000 copies with ease. And so I guess we'll probably
• 1:14:00
  see in the future what our club reports on.
• 1:14:03
  But I think I, I think for a story like this, I think it's
• 1:14:08
  confusing to the readers because of the success of the success of
• 1:14:13
  Yacht of not Yacht Club of Shovel Knight.
• 1:14:17
  But I think MENA, the followers going to way surpass 100,000.
• 1:14:20
  You already proven a track record that you got that you
• 1:14:23
  guys make great games. You came from a great studio.
• 1:14:27
  So I wouldn't be surprised that you know MENA the Holloway would
• 1:14:31
  do less than 100,000 or anything.
• 1:14:34
  I do think that indie games are also in a different place than
• 1:14:38
  they were 12 years ago, right? Like that.
• 1:14:40
  There are a lot more, there's a lot more spotlights on indie
• 1:14:45
  style games. There's a lot, you know,
• 1:14:46
  obviously, like I don't think indie world showcases existed
• 1:14:49
  back then, right? Like a Shovel Knight was in a
• 1:14:51
  Nintendo Direct, right? Like like a proper one, not like
• 1:14:55
  a indie world showcase or anything.
• 1:14:58
  At one point when it when they were, you know, and then they
• 1:15:01
  showed off the Spectra Knight thing for the Switch in a
• 1:15:04
  Nintendo Direct, right? And.
• 1:15:06
  I. Don't know, I mean don't get me
• 1:15:09
  wrong, I think it will definitely sell over 100,000
• 1:15:12
  copies initially, but like, you know, getting to that 500,000
• 1:15:16
  copy mark is going to be a lot harder than it was even when it
• 1:15:19
  came out on Wii U in 3DS. The last thing I would say, I
• 1:15:25
  just I just hope people don't get the feeling that this is a
• 1:15:27
  square Index Tomb Raider situation where Tomb Raider did
• 1:15:31
  really good in numbers but Square Index wasn't happy with
• 1:15:34
  still with those notes. Not.
• 1:15:35
  So it's, yeah, it's it's it's not.
• 1:15:39
  Yeah, I I hope people don't feel that way with this.
• 1:15:42
  No. I, I think, well, I don't know,
• 1:15:44
  like sometimes, sometimes like the, the, I was about to say, I
• 1:15:48
  was about to say, I was about to say a word that probably would
• 1:15:50
  have offended gamers. So I don't want to do that
• 1:15:53
  tonight. I think I think the overall
• 1:15:55
  judgment of gamers sometimes like, you know, like gamers are
• 1:15:59
  emotional, let's put it that way.
• 1:16:01
  Gamers are emotional. Like they love, like they love
• 1:16:04
  to see a game. They love to see games, they
• 1:16:06
  love to see their games win as much as they, they love to see
• 1:16:10
  like, like games that they hate, like lose and stuff like that,
• 1:16:12
  you know. And so in certain, in certain
• 1:16:15
  regards, though, like depending on who like a game is attached
• 1:16:18
  to, like gamers are either going to cheer about it or they're
• 1:16:21
  going or they're going, they're going to cheer about the success
• 1:16:23
  of the game or they're going to cheer about the failure of the
• 1:16:25
  game and stuff like that. And when it comes to Indies,
• 1:16:27
  Indies have always been any, any weird niche because like it used
• 1:16:31
  to be that, you know, like it used to be like, you know, like,
• 1:16:34
  like you were, you were, you were weird if you thought indie
• 1:16:38
  games are cool. And now it's like, if you don't
• 1:16:40
  think indie games are cool, like you're the weird one now.
• 1:16:43
  So, you know, like it. It's really interesting to see
• 1:16:46
  how all this goes, you know, under the under the microscope.
• 1:16:49
  But ultimately the end of the day, as Corey was saying, Indies
• 1:16:53
  are on a different landscape now than they were like 15 years
• 1:16:55
  ago. Like indie games, indie games
• 1:16:58
  have now gotten to the point where they actually go head to
• 1:17:01
  head with AAA titles, you know? Yeah.
• 1:17:03
  And you know, and they don't, and they don't always go head to
• 1:17:06
  head with AAA titles in like, in, like overall sales.
• 1:17:09
  But they go head to head with AAA titles in like, in, like,
• 1:17:12
  in, like buzz and like, you know, collective, not so much
• 1:17:15
  sales, but collective, but just the collective, like, you know,
• 1:17:18
  like, like, like, like taking, you know, from the community and
• 1:17:22
  stuff like that. Like Clear Obscure, for example.
• 1:17:26
  That's technically, and it's technically an indie title.
• 1:17:28
  It's not a publisher. I know, I know.
• 1:17:31
  But technically they're considered they're technically
• 1:17:33
  they're considered indie. They're.
• 1:17:35
  Not well. OK Dispatch.
• 1:17:37
  This dispatch is an indie game because of developers.
• 1:17:40
  Dispatch is an indie game. Yeah, Dispatch is an indie game.
• 1:17:43
  That that's a really good example because I'm just like
• 1:17:46
  even though it came it came late out late in the year and
• 1:17:49
  everything outside the bus, most gamers who every new anyone who
• 1:17:55
  has played that game has given it possible positive reviews.
• 1:18:01
  It has kind of in a way. Maybe they gain to better
• 1:18:05
  expedition expedition that they forgave me the year because you
• 1:18:08
  even said it. But here's the Ron Hold on, hold
• 1:18:11
  on. You're.
• 1:18:12
  Thinking about. No, hold on, you're thinking
• 1:18:14
  about. It OK, go ahead, go.
• 1:18:16
  Ahead, if dispatch didn't get good it, the company would be
• 1:18:19
  bank dropped. The company was struggling and
• 1:18:22
  they got very lucky. But you said this might be my
• 1:18:27
  game of the year and a lot of. My game of the year.
• 1:18:30
  Right. But hold on, hold on, hold on,
• 1:18:32
  hold. On.
• 1:18:34
  Hold on reason, you know, reason why I say that line because
• 1:18:37
  people who have played that game has used that same line has said
• 1:18:41
  this is possibly my game of the year.
• 1:18:43
  Even after playing Expedition 33, there's been a lot of people
• 1:18:46
  saying dispatch has might become my game of the year.
• 1:18:49
  So that's good buzz for people who are hearing that to be like,
• 1:18:54
  oh, one of my, my friends are saying this, maybe I'm here,
• 1:18:58
  here's some money. I'm planning on Steam, I'm
• 1:19:00
  planning on PlayStation five. OK, now I see why they say it's
• 1:19:03
  possibly be their game of the year or is their game of the
• 1:19:06
  year. I get everything.
• 1:19:08
  They, you know, the points that they were, they were talking
• 1:19:10
  about is the same points that I agree with.
• 1:19:12
  So stuff like that. So Eddie, now take that and
• 1:19:16
  reverse it. If if Mina the Hollower gets a
• 1:19:19
  bad review, that's going to really hurt the company.
• 1:19:23
  Yeah. Yes, yeah.
• 1:19:25
  So what I was what I was getting ready to say, what I was getting
• 1:19:27
  ready to say when I was when I when when I was interrupted was
• 1:19:31
  was that dispatch is in a genre that people don't recognize.
• 1:19:38
  Dispatch is because if dispatch was was in a genre that people
• 1:19:41
  recognize, like, you know, like Wolf Among us would have gotten
• 1:19:44
  a nod for game of the year back back in the day.
• 1:19:47
  All the All the Life is Strange games like Detroit become Human,
• 1:19:52
  Heavy Rain, Indigo Indigo Indigo Prophecy.
• 1:19:56
  All those games would have gotten nods for like, you know,
• 1:19:59
  like for game of the. Year.
• 1:20:00
  I'm pretty sure the only game like that that's one game of the
• 1:20:03
  year was that Walking Dead season 1.
• 1:20:05
  IGN gave a game of the year that year.
• 1:20:08
  Yeah, and this match comes from the people from former Telltale.
• 1:20:12
  From former From former developers of Tell Tell Tale.
• 1:20:16
  So same thing as everything as Jack Club will remember the way
• 1:20:20
  for it so. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:22
  All right. Yeah.
• 1:20:23
  I mean, I mean, that's, that's all, that's all I've got.
• 1:20:26
  That's all I've got to say on this.
• 1:20:27
  That's all I have to. Say it's, I don't know.
• 1:20:30
  I we, we love Yacht Club. Obviously we all hope for the
• 1:20:34
  best. I'm excited for Mina.
• 1:20:37
  I'm buying I'll. Definitely buy it day one.
• 1:20:40
  Yeah, Hold on. Everybody out there go.
• 1:20:43
  Wait this is y'all aren't saying this is a sympathy buy right?
• 1:20:47
  No, I'm dude, I'm generally excited.
• 1:20:49
  I know, I know. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just
• 1:20:51
  being facetious. Anyways, let's let's get to,
• 1:20:57
  should we? Let's see, we don't have much
• 1:20:59
  time left. So do we want to do this last
• 1:21:01
  topic or do we want to do the weekly rotating segment?
• 1:21:04
  Let's do the rotating segment. All right, so our rotating
• 1:21:07
  segment listicles. I found this.
• 1:21:12
  I was going to choose a different one, but since Ed
• 1:21:14
  joined us, I figured we would do a Nintendo based listicle in the
• 1:21:18
  Ron. I can't wait to hear your
• 1:21:20
  awesome takes on that. But what about that Rolling
• 1:21:23
  Stones listicle that just came out?
• 1:21:26
  My gosh, there were hot takes on that one.
• 1:21:28
  Was there. I didn't even I.
• 1:21:29
  We talked about, we talked about the 50 greatest artists, right?
• 1:21:34
  No the. No, let's talk 25.
• 1:21:36
  The best games of 2025 rolling. Stone did one.
• 1:21:40
  And yeah, games Like look at an aging music magazine for my game
• 1:21:45
  reviews. I gotta check this.
• 1:21:47
  Out I just seen your post that I just seen your post for it pat.
• 1:21:53
  I know you did it a while back, but I didn't know they even did
• 1:21:55
  well. So I got to click on it and look
• 1:21:57
  at it, look at the list and then I got to check that out cuz I, I
• 1:22:01
  feel like the comments is gonna be complete foolish.
• 1:22:05
  Oh my. Gosh, I got it.
• 1:22:06
  Let's get let's get this going. Let's get this going, OK?
• 1:22:09
  So I'm just. Gonna, I didn't realize it was
• 1:22:11
  I'm gonna read, you know, basically Nintendo.
• 1:22:13
  So yeah, yeah, like. I'm gonna read the Rolling Stone
• 1:22:16
  1 real quick. They're top 25, so it's going
• 1:22:20
  from 25 to one. Silent Hill F Final Fantasy
• 1:22:25
  Tactics, The Evil E Chronicles. OK, probably should be higher
• 1:22:28
  but OK. Rematch.
• 1:22:31
  Which is that soccer RPG from the seafood developers, right?
• 1:22:36
  Story said. That's horrible.
• 1:22:39
  Citizen Sleeper 2. Starward Vector.
• 1:22:42
  There's a review on busters.net for that.
• 1:22:45
  Split fiction at 21 The Seance. The Seance of Blake Manor.
• 1:22:54
  It's APC only, but I've heard it's actually really good, kind
• 1:22:57
  of like an open, yeah. Yeah, I heard good things about
• 1:23:00
  that too. Despellote, despellote.
• 1:23:04
  I don't know how to say that. That is an indie game.
• 1:23:06
  It looks like 1 looks like. Looks like it was made for Game
• 1:23:11
  Boy Camera is what it looks like.
• 1:23:13
  Wow. Yeah, I saw, I saw someone in
• 1:23:16
  that game. I was like, that's, that's a
• 1:23:17
  pretty niche game. Absalom, which I heard was
• 1:23:21
  absolutely amazing. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:24
  I think it's a, it's on some sort of, I think it's on Game
• 1:23:28
  Pass or something at this point. Yeah, that's dot EMU.
• 1:23:32
  If I remember, that's their current game.
• 1:23:34
  It is. Yeah.
• 1:23:35
  I have my physical from Europe. Fatal Fury City of the Wolves.
• 1:23:40
  Which is shocking that it's on this list because everybody I've
• 1:23:43
  heard talk about on podcast thinks it's like the worst
• 1:23:46
  fighting game in years. So don't know.
• 1:23:49
  I don't know, didn't play it but that's what I heard.
• 1:23:52
  Ninja Gaiden 416, Battlefield 6, Shinobi Art of vengeance at 14,
• 1:24:00
  Mario Kart world 13. Hollow Night Silk Song 12 South
• 1:24:05
  of midnight at 11 That's. A oh oh.
• 1:24:10
  That's a good one. I mean, I don't mind.
• 1:24:11
  Yeah, like, I think, I think, I think Rolling Stone might have
• 1:24:16
  just gotten a couple of like brownie points for me for that
• 1:24:18
  one. Arc Raiders at 10, I feel like
• 1:24:20
  that should be higher. I feel like I feel like Arc
• 1:24:22
  Raiders is taking off. Ball Pit I've heard is really
• 1:24:27
  good at nine. Death Stranding 2 on the Beach
• 1:24:31
  at 8:00. The 100 line Last Defense
• 1:24:34
  Academy at 7. Blueprints at six goes to Viote
• 1:24:39
  at 5. Dispatch at 4.
• 1:24:42
  Donkey Kong Bonanza at 3. Hades 2 at 2.
• 1:24:46
  Claire Obscure Expedition 33 at 1:00.
• 1:24:50
  There are some hot takes on this list.
• 1:24:53
  Donkey DK Bonanza at 3:00. Yeah, I feel like a lot.
• 1:24:58
  A lot, yeah. That game stressed me out.
• 1:25:03
  I think it's a 9192 I think. Metacredit I think.
• 1:25:08
  That's the one that. Surprised me was the one that
• 1:25:12
  surprised me was the hundred line last offense because this
• 1:25:15
  one was actually very niche and it was one that the director is
• 1:25:20
  like this needs to do good otherwise I'm in trouble.
• 1:25:24
  Yeah, the company would have closed number.
• 1:25:26
  Seven, Yeah. And a lot, I think after he made
• 1:25:30
  that, I think sales jumped up because people I bought it, I
• 1:25:34
  got the collection version from Marvelous.
• 1:25:38
  I think a lot of people did buy and they were just like, that's
• 1:25:41
  that was it was one of the IT was one of the games that people
• 1:25:44
  wish that they would have saw all the Game awards nominations,
• 1:25:48
  but that sounds a lot of people didn't play it.
• 1:25:50
  That's how I'm gonna live my life for the, for the, for the
• 1:25:52
  rest of the time I'm on this planet.
• 1:25:53
  Now, if this, if this doesn't do well, I'm in trouble.
• 1:25:57
  That's my mantra for the rest of my life.
• 1:25:59
  Now. If this doesn't do well, I'm in
• 1:26:00
  trouble. If I remember correctly, I think
• 1:26:04
  he said that the the amount of text that this game has is
• 1:26:07
  enough to cover 60 novels. Jeez.
• 1:26:12
  Yes. All right, let's let's get to
• 1:26:15
  this Game Informer Nintendo Switch to list which right off
• 1:26:20
  the bat first game on here is not even a switch to game.
• 1:26:23
  It's a Switch game. I understand it got, you know
• 1:26:27
  that one of those free upgrades for the Switch to Pokémon
• 1:26:32
  Scarlet and Violet? That's a Switch one game guys,
• 1:26:34
  come on, come on. There's not even an intended
• 1:26:37
  Switch 2 edition of that game. But they improved it
• 1:26:41
  dramatically with a patch for switch 2.
• 1:26:44
  It actually plays normal now and not like 15 frames a second.
• 1:26:51
  They put this on here, they didn't put Hyrule Warriors age
• 1:26:53
  of imprisonment on here, which is currently my second favorite
• 1:26:56
  game of the year. Not that that matters to anybody
• 1:27:01
  else, but Tears of the Kingdom Switch 2 edition.
• 1:27:05
  These aren't in any order, by the way, these are just.
• 1:27:08
  Oh, I was. I was wondering.
• 1:27:10
  Mario Kart World, Donkey Kong Bonanza, Hollow Night, Silk
• 1:27:16
  Song, Hades 2, Final Fantasy Tactics, Evil E Chronicles,
• 1:27:20
  Pokémon Legends, ZA Ball Pit, Kirby's Air Kirby Air Riders are
• 1:27:27
  the top 10. And then other notable games are
• 1:27:30
  Bravely Default, Flying Flairy HD Remaster, Hyrule Warriors,
• 1:27:34
  Age of Imprisonment, Breath of the Wild, Switch 2 Edition, and
• 1:27:38
  Sonic Racing. Cross Worlds.
• 1:27:41
  No, no Star Wars on here, no Star Wars Outlaws on here.
• 1:27:44
  I mean, there's no third party games on here except for the
• 1:27:48
  Indies, right? So yeah, well, I guess Sonic
• 1:27:50
  Racing. I gotta.
• 1:27:52
  A lot of people did pick up Assassin's Creed 4, Switch 2, so
• 1:27:55
  it might be a good sign. Yeah, it's because of.
• 1:27:57
  We're talking about it today. You know, I think this is what
• 1:28:03
  I'm saying with the switch 2 releases, that is like, I feel
• 1:28:06
  like the games got that got, you know, crapped on early in the
• 1:28:10
  year. Like, you know, the second
• 1:28:12
  round, that second wave where everybody has already kind of
• 1:28:16
  said their piece on it. Like it almost feels like
• 1:28:18
  they're getting a second life. Like Star Wars outlaws sold
• 1:28:21
  really well on Switch to surprisingly also it came out at
• 1:28:26
  like half the price. But any any hot takes on here?
• 1:28:32
  You guys think La Ron? I know you have some takes.
• 1:28:40
  Is your name La Ron? Ed?
• 1:28:41
  No. Oh.
• 1:28:45
  Well, given the well given well, you kind of took the wind out of
• 1:28:48
  my sails when you said these weren't any any specific order
• 1:28:50
  because I mean, OK, so Scarlet and Violet like like to quote,
• 1:28:56
  to quote buddy Ed here, questionable content,
• 1:28:58
  questionable, you know, tears of the Kingdom and well, actually,
• 1:29:05
  yeah, Tears of the Kingdom. Yeah, it is a stunning game.
• 1:29:08
  It is a stunning game. I don't know where it I don't
• 1:29:10
  know where it landed at in like in that list, you know, game
• 1:29:12
  informers list. Actually, hold on.
• 1:29:14
  I can just go, no, I don't want to waste time by going to going
• 1:29:16
  there. No the.
• 1:29:18
  This thing tears to the Kingdom is the highest rated.
• 1:29:21
  Switch to title still I'm Metacritic.
• 1:29:23
  Yeah, this. Which this sucks.
• 1:29:25
  Is it like the highest rated switch title?
• 1:29:28
  Switch to Title I. Think no.
• 1:29:30
  Is it? Is it the highest rated switch
• 1:29:31
  title? Which is why it's also the
• 1:29:33
  highest rated. Switch two titles.
• 1:29:35
  Because they're like, hey. There's a bias going on there,
• 1:29:39
  I'm sorry. I can't believe.
• 1:29:40
  Sorry, the game. I can't believe Bang Bang girls
• 1:29:43
  and hentai golf aren't on this. Oh Lord.
• 1:29:46
  You can get the tournament time bundle for hentai golf for 2119
• 1:29:50
  on sale. Please stop.
• 1:29:51
  Please stop. Are you sure?
• 1:29:55
  Are you sure? Laron.
• 1:29:57
  You wanted me to find these things on sale on switch for
• 1:30:00
  you. Please you know and scroll.
• 1:30:02
  You know someone, someone's going to have to legitimately
• 1:30:05
  explain like the like, like the whole like, like Kirby madness.
• 1:30:09
  Like I if you told me, if you told me like in the last
• 1:30:14
  generation of gaming that that Kirby would become like a
• 1:30:17
  superstar in gaming, I'd have been like, I'd have been like,
• 1:30:20
  you've lost your damn. There's already 2 Kirby games on
• 1:30:22
  the Switch too. I know, I know.
• 1:30:26
  Kirby. It'd be about 9.
• 1:30:28
  It'd be about 9 By the time to switch to night cycle ends,
• 1:30:31
  that's probably about 9. The.
• 1:30:32
  Same was on like 47. So here's the thing though.
• 1:30:36
  My kids have really shown some love for Kirby.
• 1:30:39
  My son, we've been playing Smash Brothers lately and he like
• 1:30:43
  really loves Smash Brothers. He picks Kirby like half the
• 1:30:46
  time. He loves Kirby.
• 1:30:50
  Yeah, Taylor and I just had a discussion on the latest games
• 1:30:53
  cast. She is in absolute love with
• 1:30:55
  Kirby Air Riders. Like is one of the most fun
• 1:30:58
  she's had with her family, like with the Switch to games.
• 1:31:06
  I mean, I understand Kirby Air Riders as like AI feel like that
• 1:31:10
  game was just like a niche title on the GameCube.
• 1:31:14
  It was and the fact that it's getting AI, don't know it's one
• 1:31:19
  for Soccer eye. So he makes another Smash
• 1:31:20
  Brothers I guess. All right, so all right, so, so
• 1:31:25
  getting back into this real quickly here yeah, Pokémon
• 1:31:28
  Legend ZA despite despite like the this, despite how simple the
• 1:31:35
  game is and everything I've I've heard from tons of friends that
• 1:31:39
  this is probably the best Pokémon game to have come out in
• 1:31:42
  the last 10 years. I agree.
• 1:31:45
  Yeah, yeah. And I've also seen, I've also
• 1:31:48
  seen it in action myself. And I'm like, you know what?
• 1:31:50
  OK. Like I can, I can put some of
• 1:31:52
  the some of the, some of the, the loose stuff aside.
• 1:31:56
  So I'm fine, you know? Yeah.
• 1:31:59
  I know the only issue with ZA is it's all contained in one city.
• 1:32:04
  That's the biggest issue. So it it doesn't change the
• 1:32:07
  environment but like the gameplay is very refreshing.
• 1:32:11
  It's almost like, it's almost like they're, they're like,
• 1:32:14
  they're like we're going to take use the concept of Pokémon Go
• 1:32:17
  where no one ever travels outside their city and this is
• 1:32:19
  the game. You know what's funny?
• 1:32:23
  I was just, you know, what the budget was for Pokémon Legend
• 1:32:26
  ZA. What?
• 1:32:27
  What? Was it like 2 mil?
• 1:32:29
  It was $13 million. 13. What was the budget?
• 1:32:34
  And this is what we got. It doesn't have voice.
• 1:32:39
  Once again. Once again, I say.
• 1:32:42
  Once again, I say gamers are their own worst enemies.
• 1:32:45
  I I will say what me and David played at PAX West this year.
• 1:32:51
  Like we, it was really fun. It was really good when we.
• 1:32:54
  Played. I'm just staying in a world.
• 1:32:56
  Of games that are cost 250 and $300 million, this one was $13
• 1:33:00
  million and has outsold every single one of those high budget
• 1:33:04
  games essentially already. Well, I mean, that's because it
• 1:33:07
  has. That's because it has a pre
• 1:33:08
  installed fan base. Let's let's be real.
• 1:33:11
  It is, yeah, but so does it's charted in the last close.
• 1:33:16
  It's already sold more than the last.
• 1:33:19
  No, Here's the thing about it, though.
• 1:33:22
  Here's the thing about that they.
• 1:33:23
  Don't line up the stores to buy the cards.
• 1:33:26
  Yeah, Uncharted in The Last of Us.
• 1:33:27
  That's what I was about to say, right?
• 1:33:29
  Yeah, Yeah. I mean, yeah.
• 1:33:31
  But I mean, also, like, we also got to look at something here
• 1:33:34
  too, like, like Uncharted in the last games, like Uncharted in
• 1:33:38
  The Last of Us, because they are such a specific genre of game.
• 1:33:41
  Like they're only going to. Sony already knows the
• 1:33:44
  saturation point when it releases games like that.
• 1:33:47
  You know, Sony already knows that.
• 1:33:48
  But but Nintendo when it releases a Pokémon game like,
• 1:33:51
  you know, like shit, like I, I, I, I got, I got grown ass
• 1:33:55
  friends that never played a Pokémon game on the Game Boy.
• 1:33:57
  And I'm like, I picked up a switch and I was like, he's
• 1:34:00
  like, what? You've never played a damn
• 1:34:03
  Pokémon game? Were you that bored?
• 1:34:08
  Let's. Start somewhere.
• 1:34:09
  Whereas whereas you know, like, whereas you know, like Naughty
• 1:34:12
  Dog has to sell a kidney tonight, get a new gamer into
• 1:34:16
  like the Last of Us or, you know, Uncharted, you know,
• 1:34:19
  because like it already had, like they already have their
• 1:34:22
  installed fan base and, and some of their installed fan base fell
• 1:34:25
  off because of certain entries in that's in their series,
• 1:34:28
  respective series. I I swear, like, you know, you
• 1:34:31
  know, Scarlet and Violet I thought would have like tanked,
• 1:34:34
  like, you know, a lot of Pokémon stuff.
• 1:34:36
  But Legend ZA comes out and everybody and everybody's like,
• 1:34:39
  yeah, the king is back and on something like Whoo boy, y'all
• 1:34:42
  are y'all are fickle. Trust me if the Sonic is still
• 1:34:47
  go on for this long but their fan base Pokémon could continue
• 1:34:51
  to go on. What do you mean?
• 1:34:53
  Sonic is just, Sonic is just as as Sonic is just as notable as
• 1:34:58
  Mario is, you know, like. I know, and second of all, if
• 1:35:03
  Pokémon was sold. Again Pokémon sold well even if
• 1:35:07
  Pokémon the silver and or Scarlet and Violet were like the
• 1:35:10
  worst selling game in the entire history.
• 1:35:12
  Pokémon has so much going on outside and just its video games
• 1:35:17
  that will always keep a fan base.
• 1:35:20
  That's why I'm about to. Bring manga, the manga, the
• 1:35:22
  anime, the TCG which is also a video.
• 1:35:26
  That's what I was saying. Pokémon was going to be a
• 1:35:29
  failure. We would be having tons of
• 1:35:31
  Pokémon training cars still at stores, and here we got these
• 1:35:34
  grown men trying to buy 17 packs of them and do whatever they do
• 1:35:39
  with them. I'm sure enough not playing the
• 1:35:40
  game with them, but I'm like if Pokémon was a failure they would
• 1:35:44
  not touch those cars. News, News, News Flash.
• 1:35:48
  Pokémon cards are cheaper than Legos.
• 1:35:50
  That's why more grown ass men are buying Pokémon cards by by
• 1:35:53
  the boxes than we are buying Legos.
• 1:35:56
  Like if I, if I just didn't see the appeal of Pokémon cards, I
• 1:35:59
  would be doing Pokémon cards. But I but I love, but I love the
• 1:36:01
  appeal of Legos. Which is why it's like, oh, I
• 1:36:04
  got, I think really hard. I'm about to spend like $300.00
• 1:36:06
  for his Lego set, whereas someone can.
• 1:36:09
  Whereas someone can go spend $50 and wind up getting 300 Pokémon.
• 1:36:13
  We already know that you would spend $200 on a Muscle Hunter
• 1:36:17
  Lego set. Maybe you'd.
• 1:36:20
  Spend like. Maybe.
• 1:36:22
  Lauren would spend like 500 bucks on Nebraska lows.
• 1:36:27
  Maybe, maybe, maybe. I mean the rascals would be like
• 1:36:32
  this. Big, but you know, I wish I did
• 1:36:34
  used to one of your favorite games.
• 1:36:35
  I guess you. Are close it this way, close it
• 1:36:37
  this way. Everybody know.
• 1:36:38
  Everybody knows I'm a Trekkie, but I'm not spending $400.00 for
• 1:36:42
  the Enterprise. For the Lego version of
• 1:36:45
  Enterprise. Nope, I'm not.
• 1:36:47
  Well, number one is is not my favorite enterprise, the one
• 1:36:50
  they're using, you know, but I still wouldn't spend $400.00 for
• 1:36:54
  it. That'll and I it.
• 1:36:55
  Does Lego I. Love Star Trek?
• 1:36:57
  What? Did Lego?
• 1:36:59
  No, Lego only has Star Wars only.
• 1:37:01
  They didn't do star. Yeah, like Star Trek is like a
• 1:37:04
  new thing for for for Lego. Oh, they just started it.
• 1:37:09
  Yeah, yeah. Well, right now it's like right
• 1:37:12
  now it's only one Starship. It's the, it's the Enterprise D
• 1:37:15
  from the next generation. But you know, like, so Lego, I
• 1:37:17
  don't like, I don't like this. Star Trek.
• 1:37:19
  Well, yeah, I mean, but you're. Going to give it to mega blocks.
• 1:37:24
  Mega Blocks had their own. Mega Blocks had their own
• 1:37:26
  version of the Enterprise. They had the old school
• 1:37:27
  Enterprise from the 60s. Shoot, they had Halo, so.
• 1:37:31
  Ancestry Think. Yeah, but but I mean, like this
• 1:37:35
  is that that was the wrong enterprise for me to for, to to
• 1:37:38
  for, for me to think about buying like, you know, like if
• 1:37:41
  it was an enterprise E or the enterprise A maybe, you know.
• 1:37:45
  I'm more of AB guy myself. I.
• 1:37:48
  Don't know I. Thought the scene worked pretty
• 1:37:50
  good. Do y'all actually know these are
• 1:37:53
  ships? No, I have no idea.
• 1:37:56
  I'm just. I'm just referring them to like
• 1:37:58
  bus sizes so. Who else?
• 1:38:04
  Who else thinks there's a hot take on this list?
• 1:38:07
  Reeling it back in since we only have like 5 minutes left.
• 1:38:12
  I, I think that, I think the thing about it is that I think
• 1:38:14
  this one was a hard list because of the switch to just coming out
• 1:38:18
  this year and not many gangs to choose from.
• 1:38:22
  I think next year, but I think next year, I think if Sony and
• 1:38:29
  Microsoft get some of their games on Switch, two more Indies
• 1:38:32
  and third parties, I think there's gonna be more choices
• 1:38:35
  for Switch 2 next year. I think this list would be more
• 1:38:43
  more diverse to talk about because it doesn't.
• 1:38:45
  This list just doesn't doesn't feel like you could really put a
• 1:38:49
  lot of games on it since the system came out and there's not
• 1:38:52
  too many must haves for Switch to.
• 1:38:55
  According to each for. Right now.
• 1:38:56
  There are 221 items for Switch to listed, so I'm going to, you
• 1:39:03
  know, I, I assume like probably 30 of them are future titles and
• 1:39:07
  about 10 of them are upgrade packs.
• 1:39:08
  So yeah, say about 150 games on. Come on, come on, You're telling
• 1:39:14
  me like Broken Sword Shade of the Templars Reforged isn't
• 1:39:19
  going to be on this list? It doesn't switch One Direction
• 1:39:23
  of the. 100 Where's the 100 line?
• 1:39:27
  Where's Pikmin 4? You're telling me this?
• 1:39:33
  No, but not. Because that's.
• 1:39:34
  Awakening Remaster Complete Edition isn't going to be on
• 1:39:37
  here. I think that's because I can't
• 1:39:43
  say anything about that. I think because those games are
• 1:39:45
  Switch run releases that could be played on Switch 2.
• 1:39:48
  I don't think anything that's just straight Switch 2.
• 1:39:50
  You could really like kind of make this list or anything.
• 1:39:55
  Arcade. Archive.
• 1:39:56
  Ridge Racers not on here. Come on.
• 1:39:59
  But I think 2026. Emulator 2, the greatest game of
• 1:40:04
  2025, is not on this list. We're even I think when the
• 1:40:09
  PlayStation, I think when more games come out, when like Switch
• 1:40:14
  has stay for January to December game release, game releases, I
• 1:40:20
  think this list would be more people think that people can
• 1:40:24
  talk about. Yeah.
• 1:40:26
  I can say more choices. Anyone else have anything to say
• 1:40:31
  about this list before we exit this live show?
• 1:40:37
  I'm honestly surprised Bravely Default got a noticeable game
• 1:40:43
  mentioned. I heard that did horrible.
• 1:40:46
  Yeah, I did too. I yeah, I feel like that's one
• 1:40:49
  of those games that was like a hit, like a surprise hit on 3DS.
• 1:40:53
  And then I feel like the other two games in that series, it
• 1:40:58
  didn't hit as well. And so people just weren't as
• 1:41:00
  excited maybe it and also like Octopath Traveler, I feel like
• 1:41:04
  fills the spot that that game did on the 3DS.
• 1:41:08
  There's also like the first game that got hit with the key game
• 1:41:11
  key card controversy, right? There's the yeah.
• 1:41:16
  Yeah, I feel like Ball pit should probably be on this list.
• 1:41:20
  Oh, it is on this list. It is on this.
• 1:41:22
  List. Nevermind.
• 1:41:23
  I feel like Plants versus Zombies should be on this list.
• 1:41:26
  My personal. No.
• 1:41:28
  I love Plants versus Zombies. It's amazing.
• 1:41:29
  Powerwash Simulator 2, Pat said. Yeah.
• 1:41:33
  Hello Kitty Island Adventure Nintendo Switch 2 Edition.
• 1:41:36
  It's not on here. Lame.
• 1:41:39
  Real talk though, Delta Rune? I thought that was supposed to
• 1:41:44
  be a big switch to seller. Aren't they still waiting on
• 1:41:48
  chapters chapter? Five, Yeah.
• 1:41:52
  Little chapter 4 and 5 was the one where you actually have to
• 1:41:55
  pay for it, but you get the rest of the chapters for free from
• 1:41:58
  what I understand. Well then all right, we're going
• 1:42:05
  to we're going to wrap it up. If you want to see that list,
• 1:42:08
  you can go over to Game Informer and they have it there.
• 1:42:13
  That's it. We're done.
• 1:42:14
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• 1:42:17
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• 1:42:19
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• 1:42:20
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• 1:42:23
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