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A Drunk And Honest Breakdown Of Everything Everywhere All At Once · High n' Dry Podcast

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SPEAKER_01: That was like what this podcast was like built for.
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SPEAKER_01: Finally, we get a movie like this.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: No, there I there's stuff to talk about for sure.
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SPEAKER_02: For sure.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, hey, everybody.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Hyatt Dry Podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm your host.
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SPEAKER_02: Hold it up.
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SPEAKER_02: Oh my God.
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SPEAKER_02: I guess I started swallowing my drink.
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SPEAKER_02: I already started drinking.
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SPEAKER_02: Good job.
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SPEAKER_02: Went down the wrong pipe.
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SPEAKER_02: But uh I'm your host, Ryan Barron North.
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SPEAKER_02: With me as always, James Crosslin.
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SPEAKER_02: Luke, of course, he is uh currently uh preparing for the Olympics, so he did have to take uh this weekend off.
0:47
SPEAKER_01: He's a uh he's a break dancer.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, and uh we have high hopes for him.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh anyway, this show, as you know, this is the only podcast keeping alive the fandom of the night mystic nights of Turnadog.
1:03
SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's one that I am just not familiar with at all.
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SPEAKER_02: The Mystic Knights of Tiernadog.
1:13
SPEAKER_02: That was a mouseful, and I think that's why it didn't have the play that it deserved, is because the children watching it had no idea what the fuck it was called.
1:22
SPEAKER_01: Was that was that animated?
1:24
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, it was live action.
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SPEAKER_02: Live action 90s.
1:29
SPEAKER_02: Oh, it was nineties.
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SPEAKER_02: It was like um it was like the uh a D nerd wanted his own Power Rangers.
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SPEAKER_02: I mean they they it was like a cookie cutter of Power Rangers, but with mystical medieval knights.
1:45
SPEAKER_02: Wow and and some insane CGI, absolutely insane.
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SPEAKER_01: There are some people I recognize as still working actors.
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SPEAKER_01: I've seen them in things.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's good.
1:57
SPEAKER_01: Congrats, congrats to those people.
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SPEAKER_02: Good for them.
2:00
SPEAKER_02: Good for them.
2:01
SPEAKER_02: I'm happy for them.
2:03
SPEAKER_02: But we're not actually gonna be talking about the knights of Turnanog all day, and that sucks because I finally got the name down.
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SPEAKER_02: What we are, in fact, gonna be talking about is the film Everything Everywhere All at Once.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh we're going to be doing in a three-part method guaranteed to get you results.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, first we're gonna rate this thing out of five stars.
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SPEAKER_02: I know you guys have been talking about it since 2022.
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SPEAKER_02: We're we're now finally gonna be putting that to rest.
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SPEAKER_02: And then uh we're gonna, on our second part, we're gonna dive into the deeper meanings behind this film on the golden path, and finally, we're going to insert ourselves, drugs, or alcohol into the film.
2:38
SPEAKER_02: And what makes it so special and fun is that we will be doing it while drunk, high, or whatever.
2:44
SPEAKER_02: So, uh James, what are you uh what are you bringing to the table this week?
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SPEAKER_02: Coffee, ube, cream, liquor, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Very nice, very nice.
2:53
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna be working uh just my basic knob creek, hunterproof.
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SPEAKER_02: You don't need to get me right.
3:00
SPEAKER_02: Nice knob.
3:03
SPEAKER_02: So let's line them up.
3:05
SPEAKER_02: Let's get into this first toasts, first hit, this one going out to our newest listeners.
3:13
SPEAKER_02: This one was super exotic, coming to us from all the way in Council Bluffs, Iowa.
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SPEAKER_02: Council Bluffs, Iowa.
3:23
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_02: Beyond that, yes, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So international.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: Beyond that, we have Eagleville, Pennsylvania, and then uh Sydney, New South Wales, is also joining us.
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SPEAKER_01: I say, all the way in the South Pacific.
3:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so here's to you guys.
3:45
SPEAKER_02: I got I got Knights of Turnanog, still the commercial for it playing in the background.
3:51
SPEAKER_02: Holy shit, that was a pipe dream.
3:53
SPEAKER_02: That is wild.
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SPEAKER_02: Anyway, cheers.
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SPEAKER_02: Here is to uh yeah, those places.
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SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
4:00
SPEAKER_01: Thanks for listening, folks.
4:03
SPEAKER_01: Honestly, never heard of Knights of Tiernanog.
4:06
SPEAKER_01: Very funny, because I probably would have digged it.
4:08
SPEAKER_02: I think so.
4:09
SPEAKER_02: I because I I have a vague recollection of some of it, so I must have watched it at some point as a child.
4:18
SPEAKER_02: But oh well.
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SPEAKER_02: I'll down I'll I'll uh I'll pirate bay it and give it a give it a watch tonight.
4:26
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
4:28
SPEAKER_02: Just give it the whole thing.
4:29
SPEAKER_02: So second toe, second hit this one going out to I want to watching that movie, I guess uh nihilism being conquered by mundanity.
4:44
SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's more of a golden path.
4:47
SPEAKER_01: We'll get we'll get to it.
4:48
SPEAKER_01: We'll get to it.
4:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
4:49
SPEAKER_01: Well, here's to nihilism.
4:51
SPEAKER_01: Here's the everything everywhere all at once.
4:57
SPEAKER_02: Oh you that one hit right there.
5:04
SPEAKER_02: All right.
5:05
SPEAKER_02: Last one.
5:07
SPEAKER_02: I gotta stop closing this thing in between.
5:09
SPEAKER_02: I know I have more coming.
5:11
SPEAKER_02: I thought we just did the last one.
5:14
SPEAKER_02: No, that was the second one.
5:16
SPEAKER_01: I thought we already toasted the people.
5:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh, oh, oh, my bad.
5:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
5:19
SPEAKER_02: We we originally yeah, but then we jumped.
5:21
SPEAKER_02: So this one then uh our final toast here.
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SPEAKER_02: This one will go out to Fuck, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: Michelle Yo and her wonderful career still blessing us with great stuff.
5:34
SPEAKER_02: With everything everywhere all at once.
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SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
5:38
SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
5:43
SPEAKER_02: Man.
5:46
SPEAKER_02: All right.
5:47
SPEAKER_01: Sausage reverse.
5:49
SPEAKER_02: That was bizarre.
5:52
SPEAKER_02: So I I this was my first viewing of this film.
5:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
5:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:59
SPEAKER_02: I I had already sort of been experiencing uh multiverse fatigue by the time this time by the time this rolled out.
6:08
SPEAKER_02: So I was like, eh.
6:09
SPEAKER_02: And then pretty much like you know, I'm always hesitant about anything that the academy tells me to to view.
6:16
SPEAKER_01: So I was like, anything yeah.
6:20
SPEAKER_01: If anybody recog recommends something to me, I'm like, maybe, maybe not.
6:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
6:27
SPEAKER_02: No, it's like, no, I I I know you.
6:31
SPEAKER_02: I think I'm gonna pass on that.
6:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:33
SPEAKER_02: I think I'm gonna pass on that.
6:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:36
SPEAKER_02: So uh you know, I was I was never in anyone's face about it.
6:40
SPEAKER_02: It was just like uh I saw it, I was like, eh, no, I'm good.
6:44
SPEAKER_02: This one ain't really for me.
6:47
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I'm just kind of moved on, and uh now here we are.
6:51
SPEAKER_02: It's 2022.
6:53
SPEAKER_02: This podcast known for being on fucking you know, Razor's cutting edge of what's new and in the zeitgeist.
7:02
SPEAKER_01: I feel like a lot of people were in the same position as you, though.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: I also didn't watch it immediately.
7:08
SPEAKER_01: I also was I was immediately fatigued by all the sh all the people that I knew who who had very shallow thoughts being like such a good movie.
7:18
SPEAKER_01: I was like, There's no way it's a good movie.
7:20
SPEAKER_01: There's no way this is a good movie.
7:22
SPEAKER_01: There's no way it's a good movie.
7:24
SPEAKER_01: I've already like I've already like I've already explored all of this more multiversal stuff and great depth in other media.
7:32
SPEAKER_01: Like this isn't new to me.
7:34
SPEAKER_01: There's no way that this person thinks it's good who's who's got hot dog the hot dog finger gloves, and that's what they've stuck on.
7:41
SPEAKER_01: There's no way that this is a good movie.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: No, and I was like, I I you know, I I didn't you know when I was young, I was combative of everything popular.
7:51
SPEAKER_02: And now as I've gotten older, uh you know, this someone will recommend these things to me.
7:57
SPEAKER_02: And I just have that thought.
7:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, well, I don't I guess I don't value your opinion now or not.
8:03
SPEAKER_01: I think I'm gonna just skip on this one.
8:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you've come to terms with it.
8:06
SPEAKER_01: It's not it's not rebelling, it's just this is oh no, I don't I know myself and I know you.
8:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I'm gonna pass on that one, and eventually, you know, four years from now, I will catch it for my podcast.
8:20
SPEAKER_01: So uh well, I saw this movie.
8:23
SPEAKER_01: This is the second time I've seen this movie.
8:24
SPEAKER_01: Would you like me to do the summary really quick?
8:27
SPEAKER_01: Please.
8:28
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so uh so the movie starts out with an immigrant family of a wife, father, and daughter living above a laundromat that they own.
8:39
SPEAKER_01: Uh, and there seems to be some kind of family tension among them.
8:44
SPEAKER_01: Uh, the parents are getting audited over the laundromat, and it seems like life isn't really going the way that they thought it would.
8:54
SPEAKER_01: They're they're kind of uh they're kind of uh oppressed by the mundanity and the uh strictness of their kind of conservative lives.
9:04
SPEAKER_01: The mom isn't very uh isn't very socially progressive, and the daughter is dating a woman, and they have a very conservative grandfather living at the house.
9:16
SPEAKER_01: Um and so and so there's there's there's some tension there with that.
9:20
SPEAKER_01: And and Michelle Yo is the main character, and she uh has a uh she's like upset by the mundanity of her life.
9:32
SPEAKER_01: And so we get a little a little thing uh a thing happens where uh her husband jumps in uh comes from another multiverse and jumps into her husband's body and like trick clues her in to this whole multiverse uh of things happening, and there's a there's this outside force uh that is trying to kill them and destroy the entire universe, is what we is what we learn.
9:59
SPEAKER_01: Very early.
10:01
SPEAKER_01: Uh and throughout the course of the movie, we see you know Michelle Yo like go through all these different multiversal lives of herself and see like clips of what her life could have been if things had happened differently, like if she hadn't been with her husband, or if she had become a movie star or like trained in martial arts or or been a Tepiaki chef or or a sign spinner, like all these all these crazy things.
10:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:30
SPEAKER_01: And uh and that kind of informs for her like like how like skills in in her reality that she can use to fight off this evil.
10:43
SPEAKER_01: In the end, like the I mean we learn like halfway through that the evil is her is one of the realities of her daughter, uh, that she pushed too hard in this multiversal kind of experiment and her mind broke.
10:55
SPEAKER_01: And now she's trying to like, she seems to be like trying to destroy everything.
10:58
SPEAKER_01: So we go through the movie and uh the two of them kind of are at odds, and then they try to understand each other better.
11:05
SPEAKER_01: And then there at the end, there's like this reconciliation and like this this learned empathy, and she comes to appreciate her husband who like has a who while not ambitious is like kind and thoughtful.
11:21
SPEAKER_01: It's it's a different way of experiencing the world that she didn't really understand or appreciate, but she does in the end.
11:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh, and in the end, they like they have a reconciliation and their family, uh their family bond like repairs.
11:34
SPEAKER_01: And the universe is saved.
11:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
11:37
SPEAKER_02: And uh so like I was yeah, I was I was fatigued by the multiverse, but right now I'm on my hope core kick, you know.
11:46
SPEAKER_02: So I I did appreciate like just like hey, happy, yeah, yeah, I need that because life sucks.
11:52
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
11:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and uh the whole time I was just sitting there going, like, in ultimate in like infinite realities, it means that one of those realities they never created uh Zack Snyder's uh Rebel Moon or Um Psycho Killer.
12:10
SPEAKER_02: Everything is just the same except Except Rebel Moon and Psycho Killer don't exist in just paradise.
12:19
SPEAKER_02: Well, so well let's rate this bad boy.
12:21
SPEAKER_02: Uh do you want me to uh you want me to kick it off?
12:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can go ahead and kick it off.
12:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm especially interested in hearing, you know, because you because you've only seen this once, I I want to hear what you have to say before I jump in.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: Um and then and then I can uh and then I can have some opinions on that.
12:40
SPEAKER_02: Gotcha, gotcha.
12:41
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
12:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and uh so for me, like uh when the movie first started, uh, you know, I I I was a little cynical.
12:50
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, great, I get to I get to watch this this fucking thing.
12:54
SPEAKER_02: It it was it to me was when I when I first saw it, it was like multiverse arriving, and then they like won Academy Awards.
13:03
SPEAKER_02: So for me, it was like, oh good, the multiverse has finally reached the the fucking the bottom, the mainstream.
13:10
SPEAKER_02: Cool, we've arrived.
13:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
13:13
SPEAKER_00: And then you know, Marvel just nerds, nerds.
13:22
SPEAKER_02: Uh where's my nerd?
13:24
SPEAKER_02: But uh, but uh as I started in the beginning, I'm I'm having a lot of fun, you know.
13:30
SPEAKER_02: I I like a lot of the actors in this.
13:33
SPEAKER_02: I uh you know, I really like Michelle Yo.
13:36
SPEAKER_02: Um I am worried about what occurred on the Wicked 2 set, so she's okay from that.
13:44
SPEAKER_02: You know, James Hong, I love uh Jamie Lear Curtis, you know, it's a lot of fun.
13:49
SPEAKER_02: That's a great cast, yeah.
13:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was a fantastic cast.
13:53
SPEAKER_01: And Stephanie Sue, uh who was the daughter, is also in Joyride, which was a dumb but fun movie.
14:00
SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed I watched that with Sharon, really enjoyed Joyride.
14:04
SPEAKER_01: Joyride?
14:05
SPEAKER_02: Why can't I think of Joyride?
14:07
SPEAKER_01: It's it's for Asian uh friend women friends go on like a trip to uh find one of their moms uh in China who gave her up for adoption.
14:18
SPEAKER_01: It was a good movie.
14:19
SPEAKER_01: I liked it.
14:21
SPEAKER_02: Um but I I mainly overall things, I was just excited to see James Hong again.
14:28
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's not dead.
14:30
SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, and I've loved him since uh big trouble in little China when I was a child.
14:35
SPEAKER_02: So but um yeah, so the acting was really well done.
14:41
SPEAKER_02: And at first, like I said, I was like, oh, this is this is a lot of fun.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: As it went on, I'm like, holy shit, how long is this thing?
14:51
SPEAKER_02: God damn it.
14:52
SPEAKER_02: Rick and Morty works because it's 30 minutes.
14:55
SPEAKER_02: And then I move on with my fucking life.
14:58
SPEAKER_02: That being said, though, acting here, very competent.
15:02
SPEAKER_02: I feel like everyone really brought it.
15:06
SPEAKER_02: With oh yeah.
15:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, everyone really brought it, uh, with the exception of Jenny Slate.
15:11
SPEAKER_02: I I I feel like I'm over it.
15:15
SPEAKER_01: She didn't she didn't have many lines, she had like three lines there.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'm over it.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: Uh I I just said money, please, when the whole time she was on screen.
15:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like I'm really over it.
15:31
SPEAKER_02: I I felt the uh um the daughter's girlfriend.
15:37
SPEAKER_02: I I felt that he too much was like at the end, like we've heard maybe six words out of this woman, and then all of a sudden at the end, like everything was just like, but she's found someone who truly you know, like makes up for her flaws.
15:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, how do you know that?
15:59
SPEAKER_02: We've seen this woman twice and she said nothing.
16:02
SPEAKER_02: What if she's abusive?
16:03
SPEAKER_01: Like, well, they know that.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: They know that.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: We don't know, we don't have to.
16:08
SPEAKER_02: And I just I just had to kind of take her word for it.
16:11
SPEAKER_02: Like, oh good, good for her.
16:13
SPEAKER_02: Good for her.
16:14
SPEAKER_02: She found it.
16:16
SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh so yeah, I'm like, okay, whatever.
16:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, but uh everyone really brought it.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: So acting on this one also just read that Randy Newman was Rakoonie.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: Randy.
16:29
SPEAKER_01: Excuse me, that's what it says on the IMTV is that Randy Newman was Rakakooni, which is very funny to me.
16:39
SPEAKER_01: I love Rack Coonie.
16:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Rack Coonie was very funny, and and the first she's seen too much.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: That was Randy Newman.
16:48
SPEAKER_00: That's pretty great.
16:49
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
16:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh well, yeah, now with the introduction of Randy Newman.
16:53
SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm definitely gonna bump this up to a four.
16:56
SPEAKER_02: I feel the acting on this guy was a four, yeah.
16:59
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
17:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:01
SPEAKER_02: Cinematography, I I felt was was very meaningful to an extent.
17:09
SPEAKER_02: I I I feel like like again, they watched a lot of Rick and Morty, and I feel in a lot of places they kind of missed the point.
17:18
SPEAKER_02: And uh I feel a few things in there were like they were they were just Marvel Studiosing me, where like you see the shiny keys, butt plug trophy.
17:30
SPEAKER_02: You but the at the same time, a lot of was really well done.
17:33
SPEAKER_02: Um the you know, just like in the beginning where we're introduced to them and their lives are already everything, everywhere, all at once.
17:42
SPEAKER_02: And you know, that was just sort of spoon-fed.
17:45
SPEAKER_02: But um, I I feel a lot of the cinematography was very meaningful, definitely served its purpose, did a lot of did a lot of good.
17:54
SPEAKER_02: I I feel there was uh a lot of breakdown when we saw Alpha World.
18:02
SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
18:03
SPEAKER_02: I I feel like they uh I I don't know what they were trying to do with Alpha World, but I I feel like it was a misfire.
18:10
SPEAKER_02: They they should have picked because they've been doing it the whole fucking movie.
18:13
SPEAKER_02: They should have picked an established like universe and then like gone for it instead of just like, alright guys, we gotta shoot this real quick.
18:21
SPEAKER_02: We are we are over budget on this thing.
18:25
SPEAKER_02: So that seemed rushed.
18:27
SPEAKER_02: So uh, but you know, um cinematography on this, I will give I don't know.
18:33
SPEAKER_02: It mattered, it did well where it mattered.
18:35
SPEAKER_02: Um I'm gonna give it a 3.5.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
18:40
SPEAKER_02: Um score?
18:41
SPEAKER_02: Um I don't remember a damn thing about it, um, if I'm being honest.
18:47
SPEAKER_02: So it was mostly tones.
18:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was mostly tones, a lot of tones.
18:53
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I don't remember a damn thing about the score.
18:56
SPEAKER_02: But at no point did it take me out of the film.
18:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's the good thing.
19:01
SPEAKER_01: And there was also quite a bit of uh a bit of uh Chinese music.
19:07
SPEAKER_01: Um there was there was quite a bit of Chinese music in the film too, in the background, you know, or or during fight scenes or at the at you know, when she was in like the movie, when she was being the actress, uh there was quite there was quite a bit of Chinese music, classical and and modern.
19:27
SPEAKER_02: Um well and and to that to that effect, there was an uh add-on that I wanted to give to the cinematography.
19:34
SPEAKER_02: There was so much like empty space on this movie, and in a lot of that empty space, uh you know, me being a really big martial arts fan and growing up watching Jackie Chan specifically.
19:51
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
19:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm surprised Jackie didn't file a lawsuit on some of the choreography because it was like shot for shot remakes of some Jackie Chan films, especially with the butt plug where they kept putting it back down and the maneuvering around the table.
20:08
SPEAKER_02: I've seen that before.
20:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, just the the end result obviously wasn't Jackie Chan trying to insert a trophy in his ass.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: Right.
20:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:17
SPEAKER_02: You need a login for that Jackie Chan film.
20:21
SPEAKER_02: Um that's on his OnlyFans.
20:23
SPEAKER_02: But um anyway, uh I digress.
20:27
SPEAKER_02: The score, I'll give it a uh I'll give it a three.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
20:33
SPEAKER_02: Uh uh plot and I think this is where the like you know, maybe if we had done this in 2022, my plot score would have changed because a little bit of multiverse novelty was still left over.
20:54
SPEAKER_02: I, you know, looking at this from my lens today, I appreciated the happy ending, I appreciated the warmth, I appreciated the hope.
21:05
SPEAKER_02: But um, this was a very, very simple plot line with fucking two and a half hours of filler.
21:15
SPEAKER_02: Like, holy shit.
21:16
SPEAKER_02: I like we were getting ready to do this podcast.
21:20
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, shit, come on, how much is left in this fucking thing, raccoon?
21:24
SPEAKER_02: How much is left in this fucking movie?
21:26
SPEAKER_02: Like, so much of it is like hot dog fingers.
21:31
SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, I feel there is so much wasted space in this movie where I feel like they could have deleted a good 30 minutes and the movie would have stayed the same.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: That's possible.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: I could see that.
21:49
SPEAKER_02: And but uh you and by by the end of it, like because especially because I like I gotta do this podcast, I gotta finish this fucking movie.
21:56
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, I'm at the rocks.
21:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, okay, cool, cool, cool.
21:59
SPEAKER_02: We got to the rocks.
21:59
SPEAKER_02: They she figured out that the marriage is still good, now she just has to talk to her daughter.
22:03
SPEAKER_02: Okay, cool.
22:04
SPEAKER_02: Here's the daughter conversation.
22:05
SPEAKER_02: There can only be about 15 minutes left.
22:08
SPEAKER_02: And like, you know, at by the end of it, I'm like, okay, where's the next beat?
22:11
SPEAKER_02: I know what's happening next.
22:12
SPEAKER_02: Can we just fucking get there?
22:14
SPEAKER_02: No more kung fu.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: Please.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: And uh yeah, so for that I I give the plot a 2.5.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: Uh you know, I'm I'm not mad for having watched this movie.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: It's fun, it's hopeful, it's great acting.
22:30
SPEAKER_02: Am I ever gonna watch it again?
22:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna put it on.
22:35
SPEAKER_02: But if someone else does, I'm like, oh cool.
22:37
SPEAKER_02: I saw this once.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: I did it for a show.
22:39
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22:43
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22:47
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22:48
SPEAKER_02: You got you want a shot glass?
22:49
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22:53
SPEAKER_01: No, no, to ship it, it's 40.
22:55
SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, yeah, sorry, sorry, shipping.
22:58
SPEAKER_02: Because the only people who ever bought these I gave these shot glasses to were all of our international guests.
23:04
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
23:06
SPEAKER_02: These bastards.
23:07
SPEAKER_02: Fucking nightmare.
23:08
SPEAKER_02: Like, guys, it's just glassware.
23:10
SPEAKER_02: Please send this to Europe.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
23:13
SPEAKER_02: But um, for our new fans in Council Bluffs, Iowa, if you'd like a shot glass, you let me know.
23:21
SPEAKER_02: All right.
23:22
SPEAKER_02: You've been listening to it a lot, apparently.
23:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so yeah, rewatchability on this one.
23:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh two.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, two.
23:32
SPEAKER_01: It was really interesting to hear your review.
23:35
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think I'm probably going to diverge in a couple places, and it'll it we'll we'll talk more about why in the golden path segment.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: Because there's a lot there.
23:46
SPEAKER_02: There's a lot to talk about in the golden path.
23:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
23:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh but that's just because we're geniuses and this is an amazing podcast.
23:55
SPEAKER_02: It's not necessarily the movie itself.
23:57
SPEAKER_02: We could have done this with a Rick and Morty episode.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: We couldn't do it with Psycho Killer.
24:03
SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm saying we're not.
24:05
SPEAKER_01: I'm saying there's gotta be something.
24:07
SPEAKER_02: Is that a challenge?
24:07
SPEAKER_01: I'll watch Psycho Killer again, I swear to God.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: Actually, yeah, go ahead, watch Psycho Killer again.
24:13
SPEAKER_01: No, I would never.
24:14
SPEAKER_01: I refuse.
24:16
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna forget you watched it already and put it on and be like, oh god damn it!
24:21
SPEAKER_00: Son of a bitch.
24:22
SPEAKER_02: No, the only way you could give me to watch Psycho Killer, like I said, was gun to head, and I would consider getting shot.
24:30
SPEAKER_01: Uh so it with it with in mind, uh the acting for me, I thought the acting in this was really good.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: I don't think um anybody brought it down.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: I think that uh everybody knew the assignment and everybody delivered, especially you know, our our three leaders.
24:53
SPEAKER_01: Randy Newman.
24:55
SPEAKER_01: Especially Randy Newman as Ray Kakuni.
24:59
SPEAKER_01: But uh Kehui Khan, uh Michelle Yo, and Stephanie Sue just uh just absolutely brought it.
25:05
SPEAKER_01: And of course, Jamie Lee Curtis was really good in it too.
25:08
SPEAKER_01: And James Hall.
25:09
SPEAKER_01: Like I guess those five are the top five in the movie uh who have the most screen time.
25:15
SPEAKER_01: And I really felt like each of them managed to portray different characters, um, which isn't always easy to do.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: You know, sometimes in a you know, you referenced Rick and Morty a lot, but that's also an animated show.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: And so you just have to change your voice a little bit, or or the a lot of the work is done through the animation.
25:38
SPEAKER_01: But these but I felt like the actors did a really good job of playing different people uh based on uh you know what multiverse they were in or whatever.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: They ended up each of them ended up playing several people who had totally different expressions and mannerisms and beliefs, and I feel like they sold it for me.
25:59
SPEAKER_01: And I felt like they also did a lot of uh, you know, we lingered on faces a lot because this is like an emotional type drama movie, and I felt like uh, you know, their faces, they were acting with their faces a lot, and so I'm gonna give it a 4.5.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: I thought it was really good.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh for cinematography, uh, yeah, I agree that the martial arts uh definitely was especially the butt plug scene, was definitely reminiscent of uh Jackie Chan.
26:29
SPEAKER_01: And I I think that's in a good way.
26:32
SPEAKER_01: I see that in a in a good way because she was like a martial arts actress, so it's like you know, like kind of an homage to the stock bell uh yeah, yeah.
26:41
SPEAKER_01: Uh that's that's what she was like uh embodying in her multiverse uh uh skills.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: But then we also had stuff like professional wrestling, and we had people who were like, you know, uh spies and people who were who were uh you know getting a bunch of different skills.
26:59
SPEAKER_01: Uh I really enjoyed the shield scene with the sign spinning.
27:02
SPEAKER_01: I thought that was good.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: Um and I thought it was well shot.
27:06
SPEAKER_01: Like we had we had a couple uh scenes where we had the like lateral track with the camera, like the shield spinning scene where we like took it through a room, like following the action parallel to the action.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: Uh we had a lot of like uh almost like pinhole style cameras from first person perspective, like when when she's like showing her the everything bagel through her fingers, and the the the cinematography never the the camera never felt uh tired.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: The camera never felt it never felt sluggish.
27:44
SPEAKER_01: It never felt like it was uh like it was misplaced.
27:49
SPEAKER_01: And in a in in a movie of this scale, that like you said is like really long, uh like two and a half hours almost, that's pretty impressive to me.
27:59
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I felt like uh I really liked the color palette, I really like how they made different multiverses sound or seem different, like look different.
28:07
SPEAKER_01: They had different color palettes for different multiverses.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, yeah, I was really impressed with it.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: Uh and so I'm gonna give this a 4.5 as well.
28:16
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
28:18
SPEAKER_01: And then for score, I like I said, I did notice the score at some places, I did notice like the Chinese style music.
28:29
SPEAKER_01: Uh I did like it.
28:31
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I didn't notice it though, and it just like it was just capable.
28:35
SPEAKER_01: And so I'm gonna give it a 3.5.
28:37
SPEAKER_01: It's just boosted just a little bit from the times I did recognize it.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: Let's see, plot.
28:44
SPEAKER_01: So for me, I thought the plot was, you know, you said it was kind of played out or simple, like like like it was a bare bones plot that they built on top of, uh, you know, to add the sci-fi element.
28:57
unknown: Yeah.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: And I can see how I can see that.
29:00
SPEAKER_01: But when I factor in like the philosophical arguments, you know, you already mentioned nihilism at the top, that's for sure part of it.
29:11
SPEAKER_01: But when we get into the golden path, I'll run through all the different like philosophical arguments that I saw in this movie and how they were represented.
29:19
SPEAKER_01: And I felt like it was not just not just a plot, uh a bare bones plot with things uh with sci-fi layered on top of it.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: It was like a really intense discussion about materialism and existentialism and how people approach those in kind of a because you could you could replace all of the sci-fi with daydreams or fantasy, and it would and it would be it would be the same.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: So it's really what it is, is a it's like a it's it's a philosophical argument.
30:02
SPEAKER_01: And I felt like the the the plot pushed us through that philosophical argument, and I feel like it did it well.
30:08
SPEAKER_01: Uh I I was I was in yeah, I was engaged with the movie the entire time.
30:13
SPEAKER_01: I didn't have the same kind of maybe the maybe the fact that you had something to do right after and it was longer might have influenced that feeling you had about like, is this the fucking thing over yet?
30:24
SPEAKER_01: But I I didn't feel that, and it was my second time watching it, and I felt really I still felt engaged the whole time.
30:31
SPEAKER_01: So I'm actually gonna give it a four.
30:33
SPEAKER_01: Actually, I want to give it a 4.5 for the philosophical nature because we don't have anything that specifically ties to that, and I think the plot is the best uh the best one for it.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: And like I said, this is my second time watching this movie.
30:48
SPEAKER_01: The last time I watched it was about two years ago.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, if anybody said they wanted to watch this movie again, I would absolutely watch it with them and they would have an awful time because I would talk about the philosophy non-stop.
31:02
SPEAKER_01: They would have just a terrible time.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: Uh so I'm gonna go ahead and give it a three because uh I'll definitely watch this movie again at some point.
31:10
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, with or without someone.
31:13
SPEAKER_01: So we'll go ahead and calculate Wow, 3.5 on the fucking dot.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: There's no rounding.
31:18
SPEAKER_01: It's 3.5 on the dot.
31:21
SPEAKER_02: That's fair as fuck.
31:22
SPEAKER_02: That's fair as fuck.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: Pretty good.
31:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, and it just for me, it was like, guys, you don't have to jingle keys for me to want to talk philosophy.
31:31
SPEAKER_02: Well, if you want to talk philosophy, let's just talk philosophy.
31:35
SPEAKER_02: Uh and like, yeah, it just I I was I was tired.
31:38
SPEAKER_02: I I was like, come on, please get to the next point.
31:42
SPEAKER_02: I get it, I get it.
31:43
SPEAKER_02: Multiverse, I see it.
31:44
SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
31:45
SPEAKER_02: Hot dog fingers, hilarious.
31:47
SPEAKER_02: Please, god damn it, move on.
31:50
SPEAKER_01: Well, we'll talk about it in the next part.
31:52
SPEAKER_01: We'll talk about it.
31:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
31:53
SPEAKER_02: Well, all right.
31:55
SPEAKER_02: Well, with that being said, it is time for our final toast.
32:01
SPEAKER_01: Congrats.
32:03
SPEAKER_02: Final hand.
32:04
SPEAKER_02: This one goes to a very, very respectable and fair 3.5.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: I agree.
32:13
SPEAKER_01: I think if Luke wasn't so busy training breakdancing in the Olympics, I think it would be higher.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: I think we might have had a four on our hands if Luke was here.
32:26
SPEAKER_02: Yes, well.
32:27
SPEAKER_02: But the Olympics, and look, if you watch the movie, you know in the end, it doesn't matter.
32:33
SPEAKER_02: None of this matters.
32:35
SPEAKER_02: You build your own meaning.
32:37
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
32:38
SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
32:39
SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
32:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you build your own meaning.
32:46
SPEAKER_01: Some people need to hear that.
32:47
SPEAKER_01: Some people aren't having haven't been uh haven't been introduced to that idea.
32:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: Which I think is is also it's an important thing to hear, I suppose.
33:05
SPEAKER_01: I think certainly it's an important thing to hear.
33:07
SPEAKER_01: Because some people don't have any they don't know that there's any other options other than out there except like traditionalism.
33:15
SPEAKER_01: Like what they were raised as.
33:32
SPEAKER_02: Let's, you know.
33:34
SPEAKER_02: And you know, I was brought up in an environment and I I've been tackling these thoughts and feelings and everything like that since shit.
33:44
SPEAKER_02: I mean, if I had memory, you know, if I wasn't riddled with PTSD and anxiety, I'd I'd probably tell you, like, I've been doing that since I was five.
33:53
SPEAKER_02: And so when it's uh in instances where I feel it's being displayed in sort of an infantile way, there there's an automatic sort of resistance to it.
34:07
SPEAKER_02: And I I have to like, oh, a lot of people do need this, like a lot of people do need to just like kind of start thinking for a goddamn second.
34:16
SPEAKER_02: I mean, if anything since 2022 has shown us is that, yeah, a lot of people don't haven't thought ever, and probably never will.
34:25
SPEAKER_02: But those people aren't probably gonna watch this movie either.
34:29
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think that this is it did win an Oscar, uh, so I think that does open it to a wider audience of people who look and say, okay, this movie's good, and people say it's good, and they kind of follow the leader a little bit.
34:44
SPEAKER_01: And I know you said it was infantile, but I don't think it's infantile.
34:49
SPEAKER_01: I think it's approachable, which I think there's a difference between infantile and approachable, because this isn't a shallow argument.
34:57
SPEAKER_01: Like, uh, and and I can go over my points if if you you disagree.
35:02
SPEAKER_01: I don't think this is a shallow argument about well, I would just like to hear your points.
35:07
SPEAKER_02: Sure, sure.
35:08
SPEAKER_02: I neither agree nor disagree with anything.
35:12
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
35:13
SPEAKER_01: So but that's but that's also not what this movie is saying.
35:16
SPEAKER_01: This movie isn't saying you shouldn't you should not you should neither agree nor disagree.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: That's just so so this is but this is important about the philosophy of the movie because it presents it presents several different philosophies.
35:29
SPEAKER_01: It starts with conservatism and traditionalism, which is which is what we land on with Michelle Yo, who is stuck in her ways, and before her, her grand her her father is stuck in his ways about what society should be, what life should be, how you build an appropriate life, and what matters uh in life.
35:48
SPEAKER_01: Uh and then as Michelle Yo's reality is kind of broken down, we are given another philosophy, which is that uh uh in order to in order to have meaning in life, you uh you need to create good, you need to protect good and defeat evil.
36:16
SPEAKER_01: Like that's that's the thing that was introduced when we first talk about Joe Boutapaki.
36:21
SPEAKER_01: It's it's hey, we need to stop this existential threat.
36:25
SPEAKER_01: And by staying alive and defeating evil, that is a that is how you live a good life.
36:31
SPEAKER_01: And that is Immanuel Kant, you know, the father of moral philosophy, essentially, is that uh he he coined the term radical evil, and he he was it he he advocated for oving overcoming evil through a complete revolution in one's mode of thought.
36:51
SPEAKER_01: And so he's like, okay, you need to change how you think, there's a threat out there, and you need to be capable in order to destroy evil and choose morality and not be apathetic.
37:03
SPEAKER_01: But then as we progress through the story, we learn that Jobu Topaki is an aspect or one multiversal version of Michel's daughter.
37:17
SPEAKER_01: And so now she's conflicted because now she has personal stakes in the matter.
37:22
SPEAKER_01: And so this hardline philosophy, which Emmanuel Kant is known for, is known for a very hard line philosophy, a very rigid, inflexible philosophy, it failed a test of nuance.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: And so we move on to another now we have to break down that new revolution in thought that we've had from Emmanuel Kant.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: And we say, okay, if we if we have if if what is good and what is evil have so much nuance and so much difficulty in ascertaining, and there's it's they're so complex, then good and evil, the very concept of good and evil, how do we how do we come to terms with that?
38:09
SPEAKER_01: And nihilism is what ends up getting landed on, where where that's where Joe Boutapaki is.
38:17
SPEAKER_01: Joe Boutapaki is in the phase of nihilism where she believes nothing it nothing truly matters.
38:24
SPEAKER_01: And and not only that nothing truly matters, but nothing is real.
38:29
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
38:29
SPEAKER_02: And which which in these discussions of philosophy and all those other things, i especially back in 2022.
38:37
SPEAKER_02: Well, maybe earlier than that, but it becomes such an easy um sort of thing to land on.
38:46
SPEAKER_02: And I saw a lot of people, like a lot of philosophers would land on it, and it's like, cool, nihilism, I can stop thinking.
38:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
38:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it's exactly excuse.
38:59
SPEAKER_01: And that's what the movie ends up coming to the conclusion of.
39:02
SPEAKER_01: You know, and and it's not I have uh I want to iterate that reiterate that this is this is a philosophy that isn't new.
39:09
SPEAKER_01: This is Frederick Nietzsche.
39:11
SPEAKER_01: And so it's not like nihilism is not a new philosophy, and it's a and flo and and the feelings that humans have exist before the philosophy that is created to describe those feelings.
39:23
SPEAKER_01: Uh and so these these behaviors of of kind of like retreating from the world and rejecting the realism of the world and and kind of escaping into a place of non-existence is something that humans had already felt in in in in despair.
39:45
SPEAKER_01: And and that's one of the that's one of the things in here is there's in this in this phase of the movie, there's negative versus positive or optimistic nihilism.
39:55
SPEAKER_01: And negative nihilism, it leaves you the feelings that it gives are despair.
40:01
SPEAKER_01: And that since nothing matters, there is no point in doing anything.
40:05
SPEAKER_01: It's at it's apathy, it's insignificance, the accepting of nothingness leads to you doing nothing.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: And that's something that I've personally struggled with, and it's not something that uh is a concept that is very far off for me, or or like just a simple story beat.
40:25
SPEAKER_01: It's something that that humanity struggles with.
40:29
SPEAKER_01: And on the other side, you have optimistic nihilism, where which is the next phase we get to after this this portion, uh, as we transfer into absurdism, we get optimistic nihilism is you know, because because things don't because the the structures of what we understand of mattering uh don't really matter, uh it gives us liberation and empowerment.
40:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh it gives us the freedom to invent purpose instead of be be be held down by the structures that that we already that we have been programmed to believe matter.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: We we make meaning.
41:11
SPEAKER_01: And we can, by, by acknowledging that none of those things matter, we can gain relief from the burden of expectations and consequences instead of feeling insignificance.
41:23
unknown: Yeah.
41:23
SPEAKER_01: This is the other side of it, you know, that that burden is lifted instead.
41:27
SPEAKER_01: But you but you also have to have like self-actualization for that to happen.
41:33
SPEAKER_01: You can't you can't be stuck in a place where you're alienated.
41:36
SPEAKER_01: Self-actualization helps bring those in.
41:40
SPEAKER_01: And again, you you get to engage with the world based on self-chosen values instead of values that have been thrust upon you.
41:49
SPEAKER_02: And so then you're starting to drift into absurdism.
41:53
SPEAKER_01: Almost.
41:56
SPEAKER_01: This positive nihilism is still is still before it.
41:59
SPEAKER_01: But go ahead.
42:00
SPEAKER_02: And so that was just always how I felt about it.
42:03
SPEAKER_02: Because like I I became a nihilist when I don't know, 12, 13, 14 years old.
42:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then you know, eventually you start to yeah, you just like, yeah, it's all well and good to say nothing matters, but then the older you get, the realize that like, yeah, and maybe nothing matters, but shit matters to me.
42:25
SPEAKER_03: Right.
42:26
SPEAKER_02: And you know, so then you start to kind of find that sort of positive side of nihilism, and then finally it comes time to uh rebel.
42:35
SPEAKER_02: It comes time to say that no, I it is I am deciding that this does matter.
42:41
SPEAKER_02: I know that you know, chaos and the infinity of the universe and the the relative insignificance of what it is I care about, but fuck you.
42:53
SPEAKER_02: Fuck you, fuck that.
42:55
SPEAKER_02: It matters.
42:56
SPEAKER_02: It matters because it matters to me.
42:59
SPEAKER_01: You know, and that's optimistic nihilism, except for the part about fighting.
43:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah the absurdism absurdism comes from the rebellion in the in the face of the insignificance of the world.
43:13
SPEAKER_02: The fuck you.
43:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it comes from the fuck you.
43:17
SPEAKER_02: I uh I understand all that kind of stuff.
43:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
43:20
SPEAKER_02: But uh fuck you.
43:23
SPEAKER_02: We can make the meaning.
43:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh that's the googly eyes.
43:26
SPEAKER_01: That's her husband who who says specifically, I fight in a different way, by being kind and listening and generous and silly in the face of what upsets me.
43:40
SPEAKER_01: It he says it specifically in an oppositional manner, which optimistic nihilism is not strictly oppositional.
43:47
SPEAKER_01: Optimistic nihilism is actually it's not a rejection of negative nihilism, but absurdism is a rejection of negative nihilism.
43:56
SPEAKER_01: And you actually see her waver in the positive versus negative nihilism problem.
44:02
SPEAKER_01: Like it in the scene where she like breaks the window of the laundromat and she like all of her reality, she goes and does like the uh she removes the rackacoonie hat and exposes him for what.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: Is and and like it in that she's she has lapsed from optimistic nihilism back into negative nihilism.
44:25
SPEAKER_01: And then finally we move into uh absurdism when she looks at her husband and how her husband handles the situations where he's like, I know the world is rough, I know it has no meaning, but I fight that I fight against that specifically.
44:43
SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't run from it, I don't accept it even.
44:47
SPEAKER_01: I I actively try to undo it with my silliness to make it the kind of world that I want.
44:56
SPEAKER_01: You know, uh not just this thought process of, you know, I can make my own meaning and I will make my own meaning or whatever.
45:03
SPEAKER_01: He's actively fighting negative nihilism.
45:06
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
45:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so the and you know, we introduce the the everything bagel, and we get the center of the bagel as like the void of nihilism and the emptiness away from everything that everyone's getting sucked into in a world that feels very, very overwhelming at times.
45:26
SPEAKER_01: In times where we feel like we don't have any control, and we we are totally alienated from ourselves from work and politics and finances and uh you know fa family, and all of it is alienating, and and you see all of these people getting sucked into this uh bagel um and give and giving up control to the negative nihilism.
45:52
SPEAKER_01: Um but at but at the but also at the beginning and end of the movie, like at the very beginning, we open on a circular mirror that has that shows like a happy family, and we like move toward that mirror, but it's like an we we realize soon that it's like not real, it's like an aspect of another reality, essentially.
46:12
SPEAKER_01: Yes, and at the end we get that circular mirror again and and the family in front of it that shows like they you don't the the emptiness within the everything bagel isn't the only circle the circle to be had.
46:27
SPEAKER_01: This one can be filled with the things that give us meaning and act that actively fights off the bagel.
46:34
SPEAKER_02: You know, and so that would be more close to Albert Camus Camus um Camus.
46:40
SPEAKER_02: Camus, is that what it is?
46:42
SPEAKER_01: Camus.
46:42
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, he should change it.
46:45
SPEAKER_02: That's a certain camus.
46:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
46:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, is revolution without revolution, uh revolt without revolution.
46:54
SPEAKER_02: And it's just the concept that you versus the grand, I mean, because for me everything sort of starts heading back towards like cool, you guys figured that out as a family unit.
47:05
SPEAKER_02: Excuse me.
47:06
SPEAKER_02: Um, but just like right now in 2026, with you know, children in cages and so many breakdowns of everything in this world, and you know, brown shirt Gestapo is back and good to go.
47:23
SPEAKER_02: Um, for me, everything eventually starts to work its way towards, you know, anarchism.
47:28
SPEAKER_02: Like I, you know, I'm I'm I'm an absurdist, and so for me it's this it's this level of absurdist anarchism where that rejection of, you know, well, first the the fight against nihilism and the rejection of the inherent meaning um should then transfer into um the rejection of class and looking at struggles for freedom and everything like that, and not to just view it as a utopian end goal, but to look at everything as a constant ongoing revolt against you know nihilism and an indifferent universe.
48:10
SPEAKER_02: And and so for me, like like cool, you guys figure it out as a family and everything like that.
48:15
SPEAKER_02: That's awesome, and everything.
48:17
SPEAKER_02: And for me, it's just like that's what I wanted to see the next level of, you know.
48:24
SPEAKER_02: But you know, obviously anything that wins an Oscar will have nothing to do with anarchism.
48:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think that anarchism is the real and end state of this philosophy, and I feel like it starts at home in reality.
48:40
SPEAKER_01: You know, I feel like because we to we talked a little bit a bit in the previous section about how this could have just been fantasy, this could have just been daydreams, this could have been role-playing.
48:51
SPEAKER_01: It is essentially role-playing, it's role-playing over the course of like a two and a half hour period.
48:59
SPEAKER_01: She takes on several different roles and and puts herself in the lives of several different people and learns to empathize through them.
49:11
SPEAKER_01: Like, literally, this movie is saying empathy is a pathway to philosophical enlightenment and acceptance, and that would carry through to other aspects of your life.
49:27
SPEAKER_01: And and I think that that is incredibly strong.
49:30
SPEAKER_01: Like, I like that's one of the reasons why I rated this movie so highly, is because this movie, this movie, like you wanted to see like a rebellion at the end, but that's not what this movie is about.
49:40
SPEAKER_01: There's a movie coming out this week called Rebellion or whatever.
49:44
SPEAKER_01: Oh, you're talking about the Robin Hood?
49:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'll see that the Robin Hood-ish.
49:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I'm gonna see that.
49:49
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna see that.
49:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll see that one.
49:50
SPEAKER_01: But that's not what this movie was.
49:52
SPEAKER_01: You can have other movies, it doesn't have to be they don't all have to end in rebellion to be meaningful, especially especially because it starts at home.
50:02
SPEAKER_01: It starts at learning empathy for the people closest to you.
50:07
SPEAKER_02: Well, and then that's the thing for everyone at home.
50:10
SPEAKER_02: Just remember, anarchy starts in the home.
50:15
SPEAKER_02: Sit down with your children, talk to them, listen to them, and anarchy will form.
50:23
SPEAKER_01: It will, though, if you respect their autonomy, it will.
50:28
SPEAKER_01: And you can also, as an adult, sometimes have to say, listen, like for your safety, I feel like you're not understanding what's going on, but I have but I I have to restrict this behavior.
50:40
SPEAKER_01: But listen, I'm gonna, I'm I I I will I will sit down and I'll explain it to you, and I'll make it up to you.
50:46
SPEAKER_01: How can I repair this for you?
50:48
SPEAKER_01: If you respect their autonomy and and and really feel bad about times when you can't let them have it, and like really have empathy for your kid, you will have an amazing relationship.
50:58
SPEAKER_01: Your kids will talk to you for their whole lives instead of instead of like my relationships where I'll fucking talk to my parents.
51:05
SPEAKER_02: You will have created a perfect little anarchist.
51:08
SPEAKER_02: All you gotta do is just listen and be there.
51:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
51:14
SPEAKER_02: Teach, never stop teaching your children.
51:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
51:17
SPEAKER_02: Well, there you there you go.
51:20
SPEAKER_02: There's behind it.
51:21
SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's time now to insert ourselves into this film.
51:28
SPEAKER_02: How does the movie change with the introduction of you?
51:34
SPEAKER_01: The introduction of me?
51:35
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so in the first scene, I'm there at the laundromat.
51:39
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
51:40
SPEAKER_00: And come on, don't laugh.
51:43
SPEAKER_00: Like, I didn't say anything funny.
51:45
SPEAKER_00: What do you think's gonna happen?
51:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm excited.
51:49
SPEAKER_01: So I'm there at the laundromat, okay?
51:52
SPEAKER_01: And uh it's the opening scene, and she's got tax day, and I can tell she's really upset, Michelle Yo, obviously.
51:59
SPEAKER_01: And so I you know, I'm like, listen, honey, you gotta chill out.
52:03
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, I love coming here, I love seeing you and your your crazy husband.
52:08
SPEAKER_01: How about you join me, smoke a joint, chill out?
52:13
SPEAKER_01: So we go out to the back, go out to the back, she smokes a joint.
52:16
SPEAKER_01: We get to skip all this.
52:18
SPEAKER_01: She just learns, she just, she just she has her revel, she has an epiphany, and she's like, whoa, I gotta I gotta chill out.
52:28
SPEAKER_01: This is none of that, whoa, I'm I'm way too high strung.
52:34
SPEAKER_01: And so uh and so we go back in, you know, there's there's there's her daughter and and Becky there, and I'm like, I'm like, hey, you know, do you guys wanna you guys wanna smoke a joint?
52:45
SPEAKER_01: And then uh and then we all crawl into one of those industrial washers and have a bang fest.
52:56
SPEAKER_02: Hell yeah.
52:58
SPEAKER_02: I knew it was coming.
52:59
SPEAKER_02: I knew it was coming.
53:01
SPEAKER_01: Uh I pull in Jenny Slate.
53:04
SPEAKER_01: She's the worst.
53:08
SPEAKER_02: Yes, she is.
53:10
SPEAKER_02: Yes, she is.
53:11
SPEAKER_01: Um and we get to skip, we get to skip all the multiverse shit, and she's just like, damn, I never I never realized.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: All I had to that uh man, I had such such strong opinions about marijuana, and then it just like lightened the load of the universe on me for a second, so I had a chance to breathe and think, and everything uh everything changed.
53:30
SPEAKER_01: I I it's I suddenly realized how much I loved my husband and my life isn't bad.
53:35
SPEAKER_01: And I got a daughter who's great, and she she's in love, and and now this guy's fucking them, and everything's good.
53:43
SPEAKER_02: Everything's good, everything's awesome.
53:46
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
53:47
SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
53:47
SPEAKER_02: No, that that's that's that's what I knew it was gonna start at the launcher, man.
53:51
SPEAKER_01: Um then I go upstairs and bang James Hong.
53:55
SPEAKER_01: Get three generations of his family against his will.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: I give him a little weed.
54:03
SPEAKER_01: He's into it.
54:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's into it.
54:05
SPEAKER_02: He's into it.
54:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
54:06
SPEAKER_02: Me, um I you know, I'll I'll get wrapped into the multiverse thing.
54:12
SPEAKER_02: And I'll meet the uh the goddaughter as she's she appears and everything like that, and I care about nothing.
54:23
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, well, first off, yeah, you do.
54:26
SPEAKER_02: Uh, because every time you appear, like, yeah, your fashion's wild and wacky, but it's still very fashionable.
54:33
SPEAKER_02: So I know you care about that.
54:35
SPEAKER_02: So let's stop right there, okay?
54:37
SPEAKER_02: Second, you're still on this nihilist trip, all right?
54:41
SPEAKER_02: Basic.
54:42
SPEAKER_02: You basic.
54:43
SPEAKER_02: Okay, your fashion's basic and you're basic.
54:46
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
54:47
SPEAKER_02: Let me start talking to you.
54:49
SPEAKER_02: Let's let's see if we can graduate you down the philosophical rabbit hole.
54:54
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
54:55
SPEAKER_01: Let's do this real quick.
54:56
SPEAKER_01: You don't need to do it for the whole movie.
54:57
SPEAKER_01: Let's do it now.
54:58
SPEAKER_02: And let's do it fast.
54:59
SPEAKER_02: We don't need very minimal kung fu, will I require?
55:05
SPEAKER_02: I'll need a little.
55:06
SPEAKER_01: I'll need a little.
55:07
SPEAKER_01: Well, fight once in kung fu, and by the end of that kung fu fight, you will have rejected all of your previous beliefs and advanced into the next stage of philosophy.
55:18
SPEAKER_02: Yes, good because honestly, they're very sophomoric, alright?
55:21
SPEAKER_02: Like this is very basic shit we're talking about, alright?
55:25
SPEAKER_02: I I actually have some literature for you.
55:27
SPEAKER_02: If you if do you mind?
55:30
SPEAKER_01: She reads it while kung fu fighting you.
55:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?
55:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
55:35
SPEAKER_02: You know, it's wild.
55:36
SPEAKER_02: Your entire philosophy was written about like a long time ago.
55:41
SPEAKER_02: But uh, so I'll I'll graduate her out of this, you know, angsty nihilism.
55:47
SPEAKER_02: We'll uh you know, we'll have a lot of talks.
55:49
SPEAKER_02: Very minimal kung fu.
55:51
SPEAKER_02: There will be a little bit.
55:52
SPEAKER_02: There will be a little bit.
55:53
SPEAKER_02: It's inescapable.
55:55
SPEAKER_02: And we'll we'll quickly graduate her out of all that, and uh, you know, we'll we'll start working our way into absurdism, and we'll we'll work through absurdism, and um we'll we'll eventually land on you know a very ethical absurdist anarchism, and uh we'll we'll start playing in there for a while.
56:17
SPEAKER_02: But once we're in there, like we've obviously had to make a bunch of steps that I I think we'll just like you know, generally put her on the right track where we could stop all this.
56:29
SPEAKER_02: We could this is we could stop all of this.
56:32
SPEAKER_02: And uh we'll just uh yeah get out of there.
56:36
SPEAKER_02: We'll get out of there.
56:38
SPEAKER_01: You can even you can even take the next step for um like the step to uh outrage, uh, which is uh but you know, Susan Neeman wrote outrage over explanation, and she her her argument was that evil should provoke outrage, not explanation, and that our more our moral duty is to actively combat and dismantle harmful systems rather than trying to justify why they would exist.
57:03
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, hey.
57:05
SPEAKER_02: Oh, and it'll be like, hey, yeah, this this is this is rough.
57:08
SPEAKER_02: This is rough.
57:09
SPEAKER_02: Your your mom your mom doesn't accept that you're gay.
57:12
SPEAKER_02: That that's rough.
57:13
SPEAKER_02: That's rough.
57:14
SPEAKER_02: Have you ever heard about like oil pipelines and the mass exploitation of you know so many demographics?
57:22
SPEAKER_02: And okay, well, here.
57:24
SPEAKER_02: I have some more literature for you.
57:27
SPEAKER_02: Again, very little kung fu.
57:30
SPEAKER_02: A little, yeah.
57:31
SPEAKER_02: A little.
57:33
SPEAKER_02: But um we're we're just gonna head to our local library.
57:37
SPEAKER_02: And or or maybe a leftist bookstore.
57:40
SPEAKER_02: And uh we're we're gonna we're gonna get her out of it.
57:42
SPEAKER_02: And I'm gonna bring uh you know machine.
57:43
SPEAKER_02: But then, then that's when it's revealed that James Hong was low panned the entire Oh the whole time.
57:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
57:53
SPEAKER_02: The whole time.
57:55
SPEAKER_02: And uh that's when we reintroduce Big Trouble in Little China.
58:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, so this is a remake of Big Trouble in Little China?
58:03
SPEAKER_01: Prequel.
58:04
SPEAKER_01: This is a prequel?
58:05
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
58:06
SPEAKER_01: So you don't defeat him.
58:09
SPEAKER_02: We realized that the true philosophy was correct.
58:12
SPEAKER_02: 1980s uh white American trucker with his Asian friend was folkloric Asian friend, folkloric, Asian American trucker was the true way, and we just uncovered that at our local library, and now Lopan is gonna try and stop us, and we just watch Big Drum Little China.
58:38
SPEAKER_02: Just watch it happen.
58:39
SPEAKER_02: We just watch it happen.
58:40
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, God damn it, this is a good film.
58:43
SPEAKER_02: God damn it.
58:45
SPEAKER_02: Son of a bitch.
58:47
SPEAKER_02: Perfect.
58:49
SPEAKER_02: And and that's and I will force that down the audience's throat.
58:54
SPEAKER_02: If they want to see this absurdism on the big screen, I'm gonna show them what that really looks like, and we're just gonna we're gonna jump into uh Big Trouble Little China after reading literature, and that's gonna be it.
59:08
SPEAKER_01: Mine mine turns into balls of fury.
59:15
SPEAKER_02: Jamesong tried to forget that.
59:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm sure he did.
59:20
SPEAKER_02: He was in an Academy Award-winning film, goddammit, and you have to remind him of Balls of Fury.
59:27
SPEAKER_02: Chris were walking of it, too.
59:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
59:32
SPEAKER_02: That's a permanent stain on his well beyond Gangs of New York.
59:39
SPEAKER_02: But um, well.
59:40
SPEAKER_02: There you have it, folks.
59:42
SPEAKER_02: In the end of the day, the the one true philosophy is just big trouble in little China.
59:46
SPEAKER_02: And your local leftist bookstore.
59:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's all there.
59:50
SPEAKER_02: We've been reading about this since the 70s.
59:53
SPEAKER_01: Um for those people struggling with nihilism, though, because because you're because your parents really fucked you up when you were kids, I've I'm right now I'm going through therapy and specifically dealing with uh overcoming how my parents fucked me up when I was a kid.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_01: And it's hard to I understand the um the movies kind of proposition here that it's hard to overcome something, sometimes anything, if you haven't overcome that part of yourself.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_01: You still feel like a um, you know, it's like it sometimes it leaves you with this feeling of no matter what, you feel like a failure, and you feel like uh eva even if you're doing successful things, it's difficult.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_01: Our minds are weird.
1:00:41
SPEAKER_01: And so if you feel that way, go get some therapy.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna tell you that you're actually alright, and your parents did fuck you up, and and it's not your fault, and that you are not that person anymore, and your parents don't have control over you anymore, and uh you can you can rise above that.
1:01:03
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_02: Cheers to that.
1:01:06
SPEAKER_02: I'm your host, Ryan Bear Northworth, and as always, James Crosslin, we're high and dry podcast.
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1:01:12
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