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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of The Electrical Engineer From MCC (Part 7) (4/27/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where we left off with the electrical engineer from the
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  MCC giving his statement to the OIG investigators. Question all right,
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  did you see anyone near the officer station at that time? Answer? No,
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  I don't believe so. Question do you know if anybody
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  he gets cut off by the engineer the round slips?
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  I don't know if anybody started to write stuff down
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  or anything. Question what about with regards to Epstein's file?
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  Do you know if anyone went into Epstein's file at
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  that time? Answer? I don't even know. If he had,
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  he had a shoe file, but I don't know who
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  would have had access to that. Question wouldn't the shoe
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  file be right there in the shoe Answer yeah, but
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  it's usually the OC would know where that file is.
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  Question Okay, did you see redacted at all around the
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  desk area? Answer? No, I don't know what they were
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  doing as far as the file or anything. Question were
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  you with redacted the whole time that she was there? Answer?
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  I was feeding, so I was kind of like by myself.
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  Let me down the tier and I'll feed. Question Okay,
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  so you thought you said that you were feeding with
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  redacted at the same time. Answer no, No, she would
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  do something else. And I take this tier and she
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  was doing something else. Question all right, so you would
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  each be in your own individual tier. Answer feeding. Yeah.
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  Question and feeding answer because there were only two people
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  to feed? Question all right? And was Noel also feeding?
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  Answer no, I think she was opening the grill. Question
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  she was opening the grill and she was standing on
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  the outside. Answer yeah. Question and how does that work?
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  Are you allowed to be going and feeding by yourself
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  and redacted also going down? Answer to feed? Yes, because
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  you're not opening You're just opening the slot. You're not
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  opening the door for the inmates, So that's okay. Question okay,
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  so that's all right. Now. Did you notice anything else
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  taking place in there aside from feeding when you were
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  in there? Answer no. Question around what time were you
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  in there? Answer probably a little bit after six am.
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  Question if the body alarm gets activated at six thirty three,
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  about what time did you come back after you did
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  the life saving measures? Answer? I probably went downstairs put
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  my stuff away, and then I had to tdy staff
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  with me. They stayed in the basement question when you
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  say the basement, what does that mean? Answer in my office.
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  They were in my office because I didn't know anything
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  would happen, and they just didn't need to be a
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  part of anything that was transpired. So question, but they
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  weren't in the shoe. Answer no, they never went to
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  the shoe. They never responded to the body alarm. Question
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  So do you think you were back in the shoe
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  by about seven am? Answer before seven am? Question so
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  prior to seven am you stayed in there until almost
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  eight am? Answer? I don't know. I stayed in there
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  for quite a while. I'm not too sure. Question While
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  you were in there, did SIS or anyone else come
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  in and start preserving evidence? Answer I don't believe anybody
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  was here to start doing any of that. Question Okay,
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  so by the time you left you left. When you
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  left there, who was still there? Answer? I don't even
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  know who came up to relieve me, honestly. Question No,
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  but someone did relieve you. Answer yeah, somebody did relieve me.
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  Then I got asked about camera and phone calls. He
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  gets cut off by the investigator, Right, so it's just
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  been a whirlwind. Answer yeah. Question and when you saw
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  Epstein are you sure that he had a shirt on? Answer?
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  Pretty sure if you have a shirt on, I'm not
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  for sure. Honestly, I don't really remember that. Question. Can
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  you remember yourself actually doing those chess compressions? Answer? I
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  was doing chess compressions. Question do you remember he gets
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  cut off by the engineer? We had to take a
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  shirt off? Okay, yeah, we had to take a shirt off.
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  Question So you actually took it off? Answer? Yeah. Question
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  do you remember taking it off? Answer? Yeah, because that's
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  how you got to put on the AED, So the
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  shirt came off. Question do you remember it actually taking
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  it off or that it was off already? Answer? Maybe
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  it was off already. Question but you can't recall. Answer no.
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  Question And when you said when you arrived, you're not
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  there was no one doing chess compressions at the time
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  that you arrived. Answer they were. I think they were
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  trying to cut them down, and we and I think
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  I went to get the stretcher and the ad by
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  this time, and I came back whatever they were doing
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  to try to move them. By the the time we
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  got the stretcher, that's when we started working on him.
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  Because you obviously can't work on him because he's hanging up.
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  He gets cut off by the investigator. So you believe
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  he was actually hanging by the time when you got there? Answer,
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  they were moving him down. He was in an up
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  position and they were lowering him down to whatever position. Question.
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  All right, so he may not have been actually hanging,
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  but he was like sitting up. Answer, I'm not too sure.
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  Question you don't know? Answer yeah, question okay, answer. Somebody
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  was holding him, so I don't know if he was
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  if they were like trying to he gets cut off
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  by the investigator, So just walk me through that. What
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  exactly did you see when you say someone was holding him?
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  What do you mean by holding them? Answer? Okay, So
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  you get in the shoe. There's a lot of space
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  in the shoe, so if an inmate is hanging, usually
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  you try to hold them and make sure you know
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  you can cut them down. And with all that going on,
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  I think I went to get the AED because there
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  was enough staff there. I didn't need to go in
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  the cell. There's no space, So I just got the
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  AED or the stretcher and I bring it back. Question,
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  but you believe there are you confident that there were
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  actually he was like in the upright position when you
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  first saw him. Answer Yeah, I'm pretty sure he wasn't
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  laying down. It was indiscernible. Question so he was not
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  laying down yet and they weren't already working on him. Answer.
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  I don't really know. I remember him being moved. I
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  don't remember if he was laying down when I first
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  got there. I don't really that. I can't say for sure.
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  I know he was being moved when I initially got there,
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  and when I went down, I can't say he was
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  laying down because I didn't. He gets cut off by
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  the investigator. All right, but you do know he was
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  being moved? Answer yes, question you just don't and you
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  believe he was in an upright like seated type position.
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  Answer or whatever position he was. They were trying to
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  move him out of that position. Question Okay, answer to
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  administer the first date or whatever. Question So when's the
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  first time that you know he was actually receiving chess compressions?
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  Answer as soon as we put him on the stretcher.
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  Question did anyone check for a pulse? Answer the duty
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  pa redacted, and then he put the AED on. The
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  AED tells you if there's a pulse or anything, and
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  stay clear so they could do the shock. Question all right,
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  so prior that's the first, you know, chess compressions that
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  were done on them. Answer yeah, question okay. Now the
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  other investigator jumps in and says that he has a
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  follow up question, when you walked in and when they
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  started doing the chest where was his body? Being like
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  you walk in, his bunk is there? And we know
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  there's a corner right which way is his head facing?
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  And where were his legs? Answer? He was kind of
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  like somebody was just holding them, So I can't really
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  tell if he was going this way or that, but
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  somebody was behind him physically holding them like he was
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  trying to move them. Question were they trying to get
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  him out of the corner and bring him out? Answer? Yeah,
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  I believe that's what was going on. But there was
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  no way to put him there because you can't put
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  them on the ground to do anything. So that's when
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  we free to get the stretcher and aed question why
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  couldn't they put him on the ground? Answer? I usually
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  put them down on the ground, but usually it's just
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  second nature. You always get a stretcher because you don't
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  want none of the inmates seeing you work on an inmate,
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  it never looks good, so you kind of you know,
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  just everything is just so fast, like it just moves
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  just like it's not like you wait or hesitate, but
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  you just like kind of know what to do. There's
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  no hesitation, but you just know what's going to happen.
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  And you never really want to work in front of
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  the inmates or the inmates behind the door, like that's
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  not a good idea. So you try to move them
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  as much as you can so you can really start
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  working on them. Question, so you don't think anyone did
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  see pr on him until he was moved over? Answer? No,
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  we did seepr on him. I'm pretty sure somebody did,
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  but it was just a process of everything was so
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  everything just happened like this where it just didn't seem
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  like it seemed like it took minutes, but it probably
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  just took a few seconds the way everything was going. Question,
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  so I guess, is there any reason for you to
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  believe that Epstein didn't take his own life? Answer? No,
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  Question do you believe that Epstein took his own life? Answer? Yes,
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  I believe so. Question were the inmates saying anything about
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  anyone going into Epstein's cell? Answer no. Question so all
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  they said was that they didn't check that they didn't
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  do the rounds. Answer the rounds, They didn't do anything
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  all night. Question So do you believe that's what they
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  meant by you killed them? Answer? Yeah, they didn't do
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  their job, So they didn't do their job. He gets
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  cut off by the engineer and with them, Yeah, they didn't.
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  By them not doing their rounds, they can't check to
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  see if he was breathing or what's going on. Question
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  and that's how they killed them? Answer yeah, that's how
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  they killed them. Question all right, as far as when
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  you were back in there after you came back up
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  to the shoe after you leave the medical unit, you
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  said you got there at seven am. The entire time
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  you were in there for approximately one hour, was redacted
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  in there with you? Answer? I don't recall. She might
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  have come down and checked on things. The lieutenant came
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  down and checked to see what was going on, and
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  that was about it. And then we have to write
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  our statements about what had transpired. Question Oh, did you
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  want redacted both write statements? Answer? No, I wrote my
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  own statement. Question you wrote your own statement, but you
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  did write a statement. Answer yes. Question did redact it
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  also write a statement though? Answer? I believe so, I'm
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  not too sure. She's lieutenant, she should know to write
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  a statement, but he gets cut off by the investigator.
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  Question and where do you write statements from? Answer my computer?
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  I just go to my desk and he gets cut
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  off again. Okay, and would have herdacted also written one though?
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  Like did she was she one of the responding officers
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  or did she just come and help feed? Answer? I
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  don't know. If she came up with the body alarm
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  it was. I don't think she was there initially when
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  everything happened, so I don't think. Yeah. Question she wouldn't
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  have written a statement then, correct answer no. Question, So
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  do you recall at that time that you left the
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  shoe do you know if she was still in there? Answer?
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  I don't know. Question you're not sure? Answer I don't know. Yeah.
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  Question and again, did you see anyone that was in
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  there around that officer station? Answer? I was just there
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  working on tier, making sure I do rounds and try
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  to talk to the inmates to settle them down as
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  much as I could. Question Okay, but you didn't notice
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  any files being manipulated? Answer? No, nobody was going to
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  the desk or doing anything like that. Like, I didn't
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  see anybody trying to go and grab stuff or move
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  stuff around, Like I didn't see any of that. Question Okay, okay,
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  And you didn't see anybody actually take papers or answer? Yeah,
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  I'm pretty sure if somebody did, it would have probably
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  been on camera too, because that camera was working. Question. Well,
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  that camera that you're talking about that was working, you
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  can't make anything out on it. Answer, Yeah, Yeah, you
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  can't really make anything out. Question. So even if someone's
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  near there, you can't really see what they're doing. Answer,
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  really see what they're doing. Yeah, But I don't think
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  anybody was going there to do anything because I don't
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  even think anybody knew like what the hell was going on,
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  to be honest with you, it was just like, what
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  the hell just happened? All right, folks, we're gonna rin
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  up right here and in the next episode dealing with
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