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- 0:00Joana Calado: they see the world in such a different way.
- 0:03Joana Calado: It's so interesting to bring curiosity and have conversations with them and understand what it means to them and why are they doing the things that they are doing.
- 0:16Joana Calado: So I think it's not necessarily wanting to guide them out of it, but wanting for us allowing ourselves to be more playful and a little bit more childlike.
- 0:32Joana Calado: It's not childish, it's childlike, minded to different ways of seeing the world, experiencing the world and respecting that they can do things differently and they're different individuals than us.
- 0:54Joana Calado: I don't know if that answers your question, but that's what I thought I should say.
- 1:00Carrie Lingenfelter: Hi Conscious Parents.
- 1:01Carrie Lingenfelter: It's Keri here and I am here with a little info about raising our mindful kids.
- 1:05Carrie Lingenfelter: I've got some tips and tricks about breaking free of the box and becoming who you are and teaching your kids how to do that.
- 1:12Carrie Lingenfelter: Along the way, join us.
- 1:15Carrie Lingenfelter: Hi there, happy listeners.
- 1:16Carrie Lingenfelter: It's Keri here and I'm so excited I have a new project called Conscious Family Travels on YouTube.
- 1:22Carrie Lingenfelter: It's all about mindfully traveling with our highly sensitive kids.
- 1:27Carrie Lingenfelter: We love to give tips and tools about how you can pack, how you can prepare traveling with dietary restrictions.
- 1:34Carrie Lingenfelter: We love to share in-depth guides of certain areas that we are traveling to, as well as some of the actual items that we use along our journey.
- 1:43Carrie Lingenfelter: So join us on this conscious family travels journey.
- 1:47Carrie Lingenfelter: Hi there and welcome back.
- 1:49Carrie Lingenfelter: I have a treat for you guys.
- 1:50Carrie Lingenfelter: Today I have a special guest, joanna Kaladu, and I hope that I said that right.
- 1:56Carrie Lingenfelter: Joanna, she is a she's a woo-woo scientist.
- 2:00Carrie Lingenfelter: She combines her expertise as a biomedical scientist, a holistic coach and an NLP master practitioner to blend science and spirituality.
- 2:11Carrie Lingenfelter: And right away I wanted to ask you.
- 2:13Carrie Lingenfelter: I saw the acronym NLP when I was reading your information and I was curious what that stands for.
- 2:20Joana Calado: Yes, first of all, keri, thank you so much for having me here.
- 2:24Joana Calado: It's such an honor to be on this lovely podcast.
- 2:28Carrie Lingenfelter: My daughter is six years old right now and she's been screaming a lot lately.
- 2:33Carrie Lingenfelter: We can't figure out like, what is the trigger?
- 2:36Carrie Lingenfelter: What is?
- 2:36Carrie Lingenfelter: Why does she keep reacting like this?
- 2:38Carrie Lingenfelter: And it's one thing that we realize is she wants to be heard when she's screaming.
- 2:44Carrie Lingenfelter: And if we keep, if we try to calm her down, let's have a gentle pillow fight, let's do this it's it makes it worse lately for her where it used to help for her.
- 2:54Joana Calado: Yeah, yeah, no, I get it, and it can be very challenging and it's great that you're working with that therapist because that is going to do amazing.
- 3:03Joana Calado: Obviously it would have to be case by case, but on a general situation, what I would say is breath work and with kids it works very well because, let's face it, everyone knows how to breathe.
- 3:15Joana Calado: And if you model it yeah, if you model it yourself because if you think about your specific case, if she wants to be heard, and then she's getting what she wants by having that reaction, it's reinforcing the behavior.
- 3:36Joana Calado: So if she's being heard as she's screaming, she connects the dots and she'll be like, ooh, yeah, I'm getting what I want.
- 3:45Joana Calado: So this is a good behavior to have and so it's being reinforced.
- 3:49Joana Calado: Whereas if you just breathe, and you breathe yourself and you model that and you invite her oh, would you like to breathe with me?
- 3:59Joana Calado: I'm feeling a bit tense right now.
- 4:01Joana Calado: So it's doing.
- 4:03Joana Calado: Five minutes is all it takes.
- 4:04Joana Calado: Doing a body scan.
- 4:06Joana Calado: Have you ever heard of a body scan?
- 4:13Joana Calado: Yes, for sure.
- 4:14Joana Calado: I love it.
- 4:14Joana Calado: You can do it very fast.
- 4:15Joana Calado: There's another exercise that is called the tense and release.
- 4:18Joana Calado: That is based on CBT cognitive behavioral therapy.
- 4:20Joana Calado: It's 30 seconds.
- 4:21Joana Calado: I teach this to adults quite a lot because can do it between meetings, can do it at any situation.
- 4:28Joana Calado: So it's basically you.
- 4:31Joana Calado: It literally takes that 30 seconds.
- 4:33Joana Calado: Basically you breathe in very deep and you hold it and as you're holding the breath you are going to tense up all the muscles, all everything, and you just crunch up your face and everything, your butt, cheeks, everything.
- 4:47Joana Calado: Then you just release as you exhale and what that does is it teaches your brain that you can relax, you're safe.
- 5:01Joana Calado: It's almost like pushing a level of a lever, of being like I'm safe now because our body tenses up without us knowing and with kids, sometimes they have that frustration and they either cry or they just get so tense that their body needs to expel the energy.
- 5:24Joana Calado: So that can be a good exercise.
- 5:26Joana Calado: You can do it with her and 30 seconds and just being present after breathing out and just Because the idea is breaking patterns and that is what neurolinguistic programming helps as well is breaking the line of thought.
- 5:45Joana Calado: I can tell you that I used to have a boyfriend that he would annoy me tremendously and he would there, blabbing, blabbing, blabbing, and I, in my mind, would play, would sing the Harry Potter soundtrack, and sometimes it would annoy me so much that I would actually sing it out loud and that would break his pattern.
- 6:07Joana Calado: He couldn't continue arguing with me, he couldn't.
- 6:11Joana Calado: He would sometimes would be like, oh you're there, you are doing that again, but it would break his pattern.
- 6:18Joana Calado: Yeah, so it can be as simple as that having a certain sound or a certain something, a movement, a touch, that tells her okay, time to break the pattern.
- 6:37Carrie Lingenfelter: Yes, I think that one's great.
- 6:38Carrie Lingenfelter: I would love doing it with a child like my daughter.
- 6:42Carrie Lingenfelter: I was thinking I could name it something like oh, let's squeeze the lemon and then we're going to release it, or something that they could visualize the squeeze or hold a teddy bear and we're going to squeeze every part of the teddy bear and then we're going to release it.
- 7:00Carrie Lingenfelter: I'm going to try that one.
- 7:01Carrie Lingenfelter: I love it, joanna.
- 7:02Carrie Lingenfelter: And for those, I was thinking I know what a body scan is, but our listeners might not.
- 7:07Carrie Lingenfelter: So I thought oh, let's come back to that one present moment.
- 7:10Joana Calado: You're mindful of your breathing and you're imagining a line scanning all of your body, from the top of your head, and as you're doing so, you are scanning for any tension, any sensation or no sensation at all.
- 7:40Joana Calado: But the idea is that you're completely in tune with your body and as you're coming down on your different body parts, you're sensing for any tension and you're releasing that tension as you exhale and you can even add a beam of light that is nice and warm and is healing.
- 8:04Joana Calado: That is nice and warm and is healing.
- 8:09Joana Calado: And there's a lot of different variants to this.
- 8:10Joana Calado: But if you do the classic of imagining a line just scanning your body and looking for any tension and like cleaning it up as you breathe out, that is already a very impactful exercise.
- 8:22Joana Calado: That is very grounding.
- 8:25Carrie Lingenfelter: That's wonderful.
- 8:26Carrie Lingenfelter: I think I'm going to try it when I pick up my kids from school today.
- 8:29Carrie Lingenfelter: I think I'm going to try it with them and see they are both empath kids and they come home with a lot of that energy from the day.
- 8:38Carrie Lingenfelter: So I think and then add, like picturing rain washing over us and just washing and cleaning all the energy of the day.
- 8:46Carrie Lingenfelter: So I'm going to try that today when we pick them up.
- 8:49Joana Calado: Yeah, For that, I would say for kids especially, it can be quite fun.
- 8:55Joana Calado: And you can do this in 20 seconds as well, shaking Before they get in the car or as they're getting in the car.
- 9:02Joana Calado: You can say, okay, let's shake it out, shake and you physically shake, because if you look at animals in nature, they, whenever a zebra is being chased by a lion and she escapes, she gives a little bit of a she.
- 9:18Joana Calado: I don't know if a zebra is a she in my mind it is now is a she.
- 9:26Joana Calado: She just kicks her back legs in a like a shake movement and that is just a reaction that the body has to release the stress that she just endured.
- 9:39Joana Calado: So we as human beings, we don't do that very much because it doesn't look right.
- 9:45Joana Calado: So we're very mindful of judgment.
- 9:48Joana Calado: But if we let go of judgment and if we just do that, it can even be to a sound of our favorite song or whatever.
- 9:56Joana Calado: You're in the car and you're like, okay, let's shake the energies of the day, let's shake whatever energies are not ours and and that is a form of cord cutting, and cord cutting is another technique very good in somatic manifestation a lot of the things that I do, but it's good to, at the end of the day, let go of any energies and energetic cords that we have with other people situations.
- 10:28Joana Calado: It's good to do that.
- 10:31Carrie Lingenfelter: Okay, I love that.
- 10:33Carrie Lingenfelter: It makes me think about when my kids are in a mood or after the school day.
- 10:39Carrie Lingenfelter: We like to dance and I keep thinking of Taylor Swift's Shake it Off song.
- 10:43Carrie Lingenfelter: I think is like the perfect song to play in the car on the way home and working on shaking it off.
- 10:49Carrie Lingenfelter: So, being a empathic mom and my husband is an empath as well we often have moments where we take on the energy of the day, we take on the energy of our kids, or we just have a moment where we strike out at them and we don't mean to.
- 11:07Carrie Lingenfelter: We're trying to control it.
- 11:08Carrie Lingenfelter: We've had a rough day.
- 11:09Carrie Lingenfelter: What would you say to parents about self-compassion?
- 11:15Joana Calado: well, it is obviously having that self-compassion if those events happen, but I would say it's better to stop those events from happening beforehand.
- 11:25Joana Calado: So, making sure that you have time for yourself alone, that you're able to recharge, doing that checkup, doing that body scan on your own, for yourself, to understand, okay, what kind of energy am I bringing to the table?
- 11:41Joana Calado: Okay, how is my face?
- 11:43Joana Calado: Do I have the body language that says I'm welcoming or does it say I'm tired, frustrated, exhausted?
- 11:51Joana Calado: What does it say?
- 11:53Joana Calado: How are people perceive me?
- 11:54Joana Calado: And then is really having that self-compassion of saying maybe I wasn't, didn't have enough hours of sleep, didn't eat properly, I didn't have enough hours of sleep, didn't eat properly, maybe I wasn't with my cup full, so I was just running after I have empty and it's okay, tomorrow will be better.
- 12:17Joana Calado: Always apologize.
- 12:17Joana Calado: It's so refreshing to have a parent that apologizes the way they are, or I'm sorry.
- 12:24Joana Calado: Today I was feeling a bit tired from other things.
- 12:28Joana Calado: It had nothing to do with you, but you are the receiving end of this, unfortunately, and I just want to say I'm sorry.
- 12:36Joana Calado: That is so refreshing because first, it teaches the kids that it's okay to say I'm sorry and it's okay to to take accountability and responsibility for your mistakes.
- 12:47Joana Calado: And then it teaches them that whatever your behavior was, it wasn't only because of them right, they are not inadequate or terrible kids or no, it was.
- 13:02Joana Calado: It had other things going on as well.
- 13:05Joana Calado: So it's important to have that self-awareness and think accountability.
- 13:12Carrie Lingenfelter: Yes, if we can try to prevent it before it does happen, and then how we can try to work to fix it if it does.
- 13:18Carrie Lingenfelter: Unfortunately, sometimes it happens when we're human Hopefully not as often as it used to.
- 13:23Carrie Lingenfelter: But I'm thinking I don't know if this may have a question about a process that I've been through as a mom and in my journey of motherhood, and I was curious if it relates to the somatic pieces.
- 13:36Carrie Lingenfelter: As I have been raising my kids, who were born gifted, spirited, highly sensitive, it's been challenging at times to keep up with them.
- 13:45Carrie Lingenfelter: They came in with a passion for life.
- 13:49Carrie Lingenfelter: They came in very sensitive to being in their human form can be very taxing on their souls at times.
- 13:55Carrie Lingenfelter: And this weekend I actually realized I was picking up my daughter's energy.
- 14:00Carrie Lingenfelter: I was feeling like life is so hard, why does it always have to be so hard?
- 14:04Carrie Lingenfelter: And I was able to say in my mind is this my energy?
- 14:07Carrie Lingenfelter: And it was actually hers, but it gave me more compassion for her.
- 14:12Carrie Lingenfelter: This is what she's feeling.
- 14:13Carrie Lingenfelter: This is the challenge she's going through right now.
- 14:15Carrie Lingenfelter: What would you say, with your background, to mothers using this challenge and this hard piece of raising these kids as an opportunity for spiritual awakening and spiritual connection?
- 14:32Joana Calado: What would you say to?
- 14:33Carrie Lingenfelter: this piece and this idea.
- 14:35Joana Calado: I love that question and I love it especially when you say that your kids came loving life because that is the best way they should.
- 14:43Joana Calado: They should and we should not say to kids be quiet and stay still no let them, let them love life.
- 14:52Joana Calado: I would say that it's quite important to learn from them and sometimes let them lead the way, obviously within those boundaries that we explained in the beginning, but not cut the fun.
- 15:07Joana Calado: They see things, and especially with neurodivergent people, they see the world in such a different way.
- 15:16Joana Calado: It's so interesting to bring curiosity and have conversations with them and understand what it means to them and why are they doing the things that they are doing.
- 15:29Joana Calado: So I think it's not necessarily wanting to guide them out of it, but wanting for us allowing ourselves to be more playful and a little bit more childlike it's not childish, it's childlike be more curious about life, be more open-minded to different ways of seeing the world, experiencing the world, and respecting that they can do things differently and they're different individuals than us.
- 16:07Joana Calado: I don't know if that answers your question, but that's what I thought I should say.
- 16:14Carrie Lingenfelter: I love it.
- 16:14Carrie Lingenfelter: I definitely agree.
- 16:15Carrie Lingenfelter: I try to say fostering the passion and the love in them, while also trying to teach them some of the skills of being a human and how to function in society, because society may not love that side of them or may not respect them if we don't teach them how to function in some of society's pieces but also keeping the authentic version of themselves.
- 16:37Joana Calado: Yeah, I think that functioning part is giving them opportunities to be emotionally intelligent, aware of their emotions and be able to communicate them, aware of boundaries and to be able to communicate them.
- 16:52Joana Calado: I can tell you that when I was a kid and I was going with my grandma, we would stop around the village and the old ladies all wanted to kiss my cheek and to me and my grandma would say, kiss the lady.
- 17:07Joana Calado: And they would give me those terrible kisses.
- 17:11Joana Calado: And nowadays that contact is just too much for me, completely overwhelming.
- 17:18Joana Calado: But I feel like I need to do it to appease my parents or appease my whoever it is that is making that request and that teaches to deem your light a little bit, to please others.
- 17:31Joana Calado: That's when people pleasing starts oh, you should be like this, you should do this and little things.
- 17:37Joana Calado: It seems nothing right.
- 17:40Joana Calado: Oh, just kissing the old ladies in the village, but it has an impact.
- 17:47Joana Calado: It has an impact.
- 17:48Joana Calado: It teaches something.
- 17:49Joana Calado: I have a cousin that he's seven and he never I think I can count with five, five times or less that he has hugged me and that's fine, that's his own choice.
- 18:05Joana Calado: I don't say, oh, why are you being such a bad boy for not hugging me?
- 18:10Joana Calado: Hugging your cousin that you don't see in a million years?
- 18:14Joana Calado: No, he doesn't want, that's fine.
- 18:16Joana Calado: So it's respecting boundaries.
- 18:22Joana Calado: Children to function better is having that emotional intelligence and having a clear pathway of communication to your body.
- 18:32Joana Calado: Always ground them and grounding yourself as well, because sometimes we want to know the why and the what for and the what if.
- 18:40Joana Calado: But we don't need that.
- 18:42Joana Calado: Sometimes we just need to sit with our body and understand how we feel, and that's they are experts at it.
- 18:51Carrie Lingenfelter: Beautiful.
- 18:52Carrie Lingenfelter: Yes, can you imagine where they'll be if they're able to start that now?
- 18:55Carrie Lingenfelter: Where will they be when they are 30?
- 18:57Carrie Lingenfelter: It's pretty cool to think about raising these kids consciously like this.
- 19:00Carrie Lingenfelter: Yeah, I saved my favorite question for the end.
- 19:04Carrie Lingenfelter: You had mentioned asking about manifestation as a conscious parent and what that looks like in conscious parenting.
- 19:12Carrie Lingenfelter: I was curious what you would say.
- 19:14Joana Calado: Yes, I love this because, like I said, especially kids up to the age of seven, they are complete unconsciousness, like you say, complete empaths.
- 19:25Joana Calado: They're always getting in information from their senses and the way I do manifestation is through senses.
- 19:34Joana Calado: It cannot just be like oh, let me write a letter to Santa of the things that I want and that's it.
- 19:40Joana Calado: No, that's not manifestation.
- 19:43Joana Calado: It's envisioning, creating a vision, and that vision needs to be sensory stimulating, in the sense that they can almost feel what they want, they can smell what they want and they can experience it as if they are receiving it today, whatever it is that they want.
- 20:07Joana Calado: And everyone can do this, not kids, not just everyone.
- 20:10Joana Calado: It's whatever your desire is connect with the senses.
- 20:18Joana Calado: And that's why kids are experts at manifesting, because they don't have the oh.
- 20:25Joana Calado: What if they don't like me?
- 20:26Joana Calado: What if they judge me for this?
- 20:27Joana Calado: What if I'm not good enough?
- 20:29Joana Calado: What if I cannot make enough money to sustain myself?
- 20:32Joana Calado: They don't have these worries.
- 20:35Joana Calado: So for them is oh, how does this smell, okay.
- 20:39Joana Calado: How does this taste, okay.
- 20:41Joana Calado: How does this feel?
- 20:42Joana Calado: Okay, what color is it and what shape is it?
- 20:47Joana Calado: So it's much easier for them to operate in this sense and, as a parent, you can guide them through it.
- 20:54Joana Calado: You can say, okay, what do you truly want?
- 20:56Joana Calado: Okay, and how would it feel to have it in your hand?
- 20:59Joana Calado: Oh, you want a car, I don't know, from Paw Patrol, I don't know, my nephew likes okay, so how does it feel?
- 21:12Joana Calado: What color is it?
- 21:14Joana Calado: And how would you feel if you received it today?
- 21:17Joana Calado: And it's just getting them in that mode and that teaches them that they can do that for forever.
- 21:26Joana Calado: And the idea of manifesting it's meant to be fun.
- 21:30Joana Calado: It's meant to be fun, it's meant to be exciting, because that raises your vibration to a degree that makes you much more likely to be in alignment with what you truly want.
- 21:39Joana Calado: So bring fun to the mix, just playfulness and imagination.
- 21:47Joana Calado: Kids are amazing with imagination, so in that sense, we can learn from them as well.
- 21:55Carrie Lingenfelter: It's interesting.
- 21:55Carrie Lingenfelter: I did a guided visualization for my kids before they started school this school year and we pictured walking into the school and feeling in our body at ease and happy to be there and loving to be at school.
- 22:12Carrie Lingenfelter: And I told them to picture walking into the classroom and my son.
- 22:17Carrie Lingenfelter: He said I see so-and-so as my teacher and I said let's not focus on having the specific teacher, let's focus on the feeling because, I don't want you to necessarily manifest who you think you want.
- 22:30Carrie Lingenfelter: I want you to feel the happiness, because sometimes we think we know the teacher that will bring us the most happiness.
- 22:36Carrie Lingenfelter: Maybe something else changes because you were meant to be in this other class for whatever reason.
- 22:41Carrie Lingenfelter: So, that's what we choose to focus on when we're doing.
- 22:44Carrie Lingenfelter: I love to do that with the kids before the school year starts.
- 22:46Carrie Lingenfelter: I was going to ask you when you're talking about manifestation and as an adult, we can say, yeah, how are we going to get there?
- 22:55Carrie Lingenfelter: How are we going to make the money?
- 22:56Carrie Lingenfelter: What is this process?
- 22:57Carrie Lingenfelter: What do you term trusting in the right place in the right time in the process?
- 23:03Carrie Lingenfelter: What do you like to term that?
- 23:04Carrie Lingenfelter: Is it holding the faith?
- 23:06Carrie Lingenfelter: Some people say faith in the process.
- 23:08Carrie Lingenfelter: What do you like to term it.
- 23:10Joana Calado: So it is faith and releasing the outcome.
- 23:13Joana Calado: But I have an analogy that it makes me.
- 23:16Joana Calado: I think it's easier to understand.
- 23:20Joana Calado: So imagine the universe being the satnav we say in the UK satnav, but in America I would say maybe the GPS.
- 23:30Joana Calado: Right, so the universe is your GPS, and when you want to manifest something, sometimes you don't have the full postcode or the full address.
- 23:42Joana Calado: Sometimes you just have oh, I want to feel happier, I want to feel loved.
- 23:48Joana Calado: That is a bit vague for manifestation, but maybe that would be the equivalent of having the state or the county or a little city in the GPS.
- 24:00Joana Calado: So that is the what you need to understand the what you want, and then with as much detail as you can.
- 24:08Joana Calado: Obviously, the bigger, the more complete the address, the easier it will be to get there.
- 24:13Joana Calado: But if you don't, that's fine, the city will get you there.
- 24:16Joana Calado: And then you need to know the what for and the why, as in why do you want it?
- 24:22Joana Calado: What for?
- 24:22Joana Calado: So the purpose behind it, because that is going to sustain you, that is going to oh my God, I've been driving for 12 hours.
- 24:30Joana Calado: How can I continue?
- 24:31Joana Calado: Because of the why.
- 24:33Joana Calado: That's what you need to worry about the why and the what.
- 24:37Joana Calado: That is your concern.
- 24:39Joana Calado: The universe's concern is the when are you going to reach the destination?
- 24:44Joana Calado: And the how.
- 24:46Joana Calado: And you trust because, the same way, if you don't know the way, you trust the universe.
- 24:52Joana Calado: You trust the GPS that it knows any roadblocks, the best way, that sometimes you think, oh, let me go this other way because this GPS, it doesn't know anything, and then it's actually blocked or there's a problem, a lot of traffic, an accident.
- 25:08Joana Calado: So the universe, aka the GPS, knows the best route.
- 25:12Joana Calado: Trust, trust the same way that you trust the GPS.
- 25:16Joana Calado: Trust the same way that you trust when you're driving at night and you have your high beams, I don't know a certain distance and you trust that the road is going to continue.
- 25:27Joana Calado: Just trust, trust in yourself that whatever happens, you'll be able to manage it.
- 25:34Joana Calado: And trust that sometimes things don't work out the way you want them, because they can be working out even better than you ever considered.
- 25:41Joana Calado: So it's trusting and making good questions, because you were saying before that you started to absorb your daughter's energy of, oh, why is this not working out, or why is my life terrible, or something in those lines.
- 25:58Joana Calado: So we have a part of our brain, that is the reticular activating system.
- 26:04Joana Calado: That is almost like the algorithm of our lives, and so if you are asking those questions, your brain is always looking for the answers and that part of your brain is understanding oh, this is what you're focusing on, so this is your reality.
- 26:23Joana Calado: So that's not the case.
- 26:26Joana Calado: Your life is not terrible, even if it's terrible for 10 minutes, that's not the full spectrum of your life.
- 26:32Joana Calado: So it's having that communication and asking good questions.
- 26:37Joana Calado: Instead of saying why doesn't anyone love me?
- 26:40Joana Calado: Why can't I get this job that I want?
- 26:43Joana Calado: Why are my kids always yelling at me?
- 26:46Joana Calado: Why am I always frustrated?
- 26:48Joana Calado: It's saying, okay, how can I get to a better place?
- 26:52Joana Calado: What is some of the things that I need to be doing to get myself to this, to get this job, to get this promotion, to have more time for myself, to spend more time with my kids, whatever it is, and then releasing the need to have the answer, because there are many forces in this universe that we're not aware that come together to help you achieve what you want.
- 27:19Carrie Lingenfelter: Perfect.
- 27:19Carrie Lingenfelter: I love the word trust.
- 27:21Carrie Lingenfelter: I think that resonates with me more than faith, and I think I hear the having faith a lot.
- 27:26Carrie Lingenfelter: But I think trusting in it is really powerful too.
- 27:30Joana Calado: Yeah, it's stressing because this is a co-creation.
- 27:33Joana Calado: It's like you set up the GPS and you tell it where to go and it tells you how to get there and when you're arriving.
- 27:40Joana Calado: So that is the reason, and knowing that whenever you're saying, oh my God, how am I going to do this?
- 27:46Joana Calado: I can't figure it out, know and trust that it is not for you to figure it out, or at least it's not right now to be figured out.
- 27:58Carrie Lingenfelter: Yes, perfect.
- 28:00Carrie Lingenfelter: Thank you so much, Joanna, for being here today and being a guest, thank you.
- 28:04Joana Calado: Thank you for having me, it was lovely.
- 28:07Carrie Lingenfelter: Well, that's a wrap.
- 28:08Carrie Lingenfelter: Thanks so much for tuning in Changemakers.
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