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Murder In Moscow: Bryan Kohberger’s Defense Expert Makes a Stunning Reversal (8/4/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: the lead up to Brian Colberger's trial, there was an
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  Speaker 1: expert that was hired by the defense and his name
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  Speaker 1: is Siree. Now, Siree is a former Arizona homicide investigator,
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  Speaker 1: but now he deals in digital forensics and geolocation. And
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  Speaker 1: as we were marching towards the trial, he was one
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  Speaker 1: of the experts that was relied heavily upon by the defense. Well,
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  Speaker 1: now that Brian Colberger has attempted to withdraw his plea,
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  Speaker 1: mister Sirae is coming out and saying that if Brian
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  Speaker 1: Colberger gets a new trial, that he should face the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty. And that's because, according to Siree, the prosecution
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  Speaker 1: missed some forensic evidence during their investigation. So let's dive
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  Speaker 1: into this article from box News and let's see what
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  Speaker 1: they have to say. Headline, Brian Colberger's former defense expert
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  Speaker 1: calls for death penalty, says investigators missed key evidence. This
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  Speaker 1: article was authored by Michael Ruiz, admitted Idaho murderer Brian
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  Speaker 1: Colberger should get a new trial and face the death penalty.
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  Speaker 1: According to a digital forensics expert hired by the defense
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  Speaker 1: who says investigators miss damning evidence against the thirty year
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  Speaker 1: old former criminology PhD student. Evidence, he told Fox News
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  Speaker 1: digital investigators never properly analyzed or incorporated into the prosecution's case. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's not very reassuring, not exactly what you want to hear, right,
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  Speaker 1: And look, I know that there's a lot of evidence
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  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of information that the prosecution has
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  Speaker 1: to go through, but how do you miss something that's damning?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you would think with all the people that
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  Speaker 1: were involved FBI, etc. That they'd have everything on the
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  Speaker 1: up and up, But according to Siree, there was some
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  Speaker 1: stuff they missed. Siree is a former Arizona homicide investigator
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  Speaker 1: who is now an expert on digital forensics, geolocation, and
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  Speaker 1: similar data. Colberger's lawyers hired him as an expert witness
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  Speaker 1: for the defense before Colberger pleaded guilty to avoid the
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  Speaker 1: death penalty for the home invasion murder of Kailee Gonsalvez,
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  Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. Colberger, now serving
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  Speaker 1: four consecutive sentences of life in prison without parole, petitioned
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  Speaker 1: the court last week to withdraw his guilty plea and
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  Speaker 1: seek post conviction relief, which could send the case to
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  Speaker 1: trial and put the potential death penalty back in play.
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  Speaker 1: Like this is a big gamble, right if Colberger gets
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  Speaker 1: a new trial, which I have my doubts about, but
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  Speaker 1: if he does, he's literally playing with fire. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that if he does get a new trial, he's
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  Speaker 1: going to end up with the death penalty because I
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  Speaker 1: believe that Brian Colbert is guilty. Now, with that said,
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  Speaker 1: I'm willing to look at whatever evidence is provided. If
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  Speaker 1: there's some evidence saying that Coburger's not the guy, I'd
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  Speaker 1: love to see it. But as of now, I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen that evidence. Bring back the death penalty. Ray told
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  Speaker 1: journalist Brian Enton in a new podcast, I'm all for this.
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  Speaker 1: He said he is confident that Coburger would be convicted
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  Speaker 1: and claim that Coburger's smartphone data is much more incriminating
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  Speaker 1: than was revealed previously when police in the courts un
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  Speaker 1: sealed thousands of pages of evidence in the case. Yo,
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  Speaker 1: I want to see it. I would love to see
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  Speaker 1: the documents. Right, Let's dive into him and see what's what.
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  Speaker 1: And remember, when we're going through a trial, we only
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  Speaker 1: get a fraction of what the prosecution has, and then
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  Speaker 1: later on down the road maybe we get some more,
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  Speaker 1: but for the most part, we're not getting even a
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  Speaker 1: fraction of what they have, right, especially when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to video and shit like that. I one hundred percent
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  Speaker 1: believe that the offender who is Brian Coberger. There is
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  Speaker 1: no alternative theory in my head at this point, Ray
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  Speaker 1: said in the eighty two minute episode, which also included
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  Speaker 1: Gonsalva's parents, Christy and Steve, and their older sister Olivia.
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  Speaker 1: I have one hundred percent believe he's been in the
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  Speaker 1: house before. That's possible, but I think he would have
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  Speaker 1: stood out like a sore thumb. I mean, Brian Colberger
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  Speaker 1: is not exactly what you would call a popular guy,
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  Speaker 1: not somebody that's showing up the frat parties, right, So
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  Speaker 1: he would have been somebody that stands out, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure somebody would have been like, who's this dude
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  Speaker 1: hanging out here that nobody knows? Hey, Mike, you know
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  Speaker 1: this dude is I know when I was younger, that's
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  Speaker 1: how our frat parties were. Oh so and so is
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  Speaker 1: here with so and so, And if there was somebody
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  Speaker 1: at the house. You didn't know. You find out who
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  Speaker 1: they are. But I guess maybe things were different up
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  Speaker 1: in Moscow. I don't know, a much more trusting environment.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps I want to college at UNLV, things were a
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  Speaker 1: little bit different. Ray told Enton that the evidence he
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  Speaker 1: reviewed shows Coburger potentially inside the victim's home or at
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  Speaker 1: least in proximity outside, and at other places when they
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  Speaker 1: were present prior to the murders. He also told Fox
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  Speaker 1: News Digital that he didn't have to address this evidence
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  Speaker 1: in his own expert report filed by the defense in
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  Speaker 1: January of twenty twenty five, because he based it only
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  Speaker 1: on the contents of the reports produced by prosecution experts,
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  Speaker 1: which left out something called a Location Database of Record
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  Speaker 1: or locdboor report that he alleges contains damning new information
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  Speaker 1: about Coburger's movements in his semester at Washington State University. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I've said from the jump, I think he cased the house.
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  Speaker 1: He was somebody that was around the house quite a bit.
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  Speaker 1: Now was he inside, I don't know. According to mister Ray,
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  Speaker 1: he believes he was. I don't know if I buy that,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe I'm not saying no, but I I would
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  Speaker 1: think that somebody would remember Brian Kolberger if he was
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  Speaker 1: at that house, you know, one of the other fraternity
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  Speaker 1: brothers or sorority sisters or somebody. Ray acknowledged that his
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  Speaker 1: January twenty twenty five report appears different from his current
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  Speaker 1: public comments, but said the report evaluated only the prosecution's
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  Speaker 1: work product, not the underlying AT and T records. He
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  Speaker 1: says investigators never mapped Why wouldn't they do that? Were
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  Speaker 1: they too busy? Why aren't you mapping everything, especially considering
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  Speaker 1: you have a guy that was working for the defense
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  Speaker 1: who's pointing out how bad that was and how damning
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  Speaker 1: those records could have been. My summary of no evidence
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  Speaker 1: is based on that work product and the work product
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  Speaker 1: that the state had put together at the time. He
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  Speaker 1: told Fox News Digital, I can't put in my defense report. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: if you guys would just look at the loc DBOR
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  Speaker 1: report here, you'll solve your case and have a really
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  Speaker 1: rock solid case. But I can put here are some
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  Speaker 1: follow up by it that I would expect you guys
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  Speaker 1: to do. And one of the things is you'll see
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  Speaker 1: repeated over and over, you have to map all the data.
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  Speaker 1: Please go map the data. Speaking on the podcast. Ray
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  Speaker 1: said the locd bo R report contains location data that
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  Speaker 1: he believes shows coburger stalk the victims. Fox News Digital
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  Speaker 1: has not independently reviewed the locd bo R report either,
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  Speaker 1: as it's not among thousands of pages of unsealed core
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  Speaker 1: documents in the case. So we have to take his
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  Speaker 1: word for it, okay, But like usual, I'll take it
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  Speaker 1: with a grain of salt until I see the report
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  Speaker 1: for myself. I'm not going to say one way or
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  Speaker 1: the other that it's guaranteed or not. We have to
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  Speaker 1: see the paperwork, right. If you look at the precise measurements,
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  Speaker 1: there's probably five that land directly on what would be
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  Speaker 1: the living room of the house. Ray told Entin, like
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  Speaker 1: the latitude longitude is the physical house itself, and if
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  Speaker 1: you put the house back on the map and you
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  Speaker 1: map those the hits or inside the house. So look,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he was at the house when nobody was there,
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  Speaker 1: that's possible. Did he break in and rifle around a
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  Speaker 1: little bit and get familiar with the layout, that's definitely possible.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think he was invited there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as part of a party or something like that. I
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  Speaker 1: think people would remember, so he might have broken into
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  Speaker 1: this house when nobody was there and did god knows what.
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  Speaker 1: But besides that, I don't know if he was in
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  Speaker 1: the house as far as you know, invited out for
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  Speaker 1: a party or something. I think that's a bit of
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  Speaker 1: a stretch. But all of that said, if what mister
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  Speaker 1: Ray is saying is true here, then the data puts
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  Speaker 1: Brian Colberger at the house. I just want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure I understand correctly because I haven't heard this before.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying, based on the data that you saw
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  Speaker 1: the latitude longitude of Brian Colberger, Samsung was in the
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  Speaker 1: living room, and NAST the AT and T derived latitude
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  Speaker 1: longitude from the AT and T network that it estimates
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  Speaker 1: a location. It lands in the house, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: twenty five meter range, so we're talking seventy five feet,
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  Speaker 1: so it could be anywhere in the house, on any floor.
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  Speaker 1: Ray said, It could technically be outside the house, it
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  Speaker 1: could be on the property, but it's showing in the
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  Speaker 1: immediate area. My personal opinion is when I look at
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  Speaker 1: those and I map what's happening before and after, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at all the other evidence, I think that
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  Speaker 1: these are accurate locations. Speaking with Fox News Digital, He
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  Speaker 1: said he couldn't be certain what Coburger was actually or
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  Speaker 1: actually went inside, but the geolocation data is damning in
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  Speaker 1: other ways. So my guess is if he did go
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  Speaker 1: in the house, like I just said, he broke in
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  Speaker 1: one way or the other. The door was left open,
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  Speaker 1: you know, something happened. Speaking with Fox News Digital, he
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  Speaker 1: said he couldn't be certain that Coburger actually went inside,
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  Speaker 1: but the geolocation data is damning in other ways. What's
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  Speaker 1: really telling is there times where he's in that area
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  Speaker 1: and then you'll see one of the victim's phones move
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  Speaker 1: over to this little A and W place, and then
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  Speaker 1: his phone moves over. Ray told Fox News Digital and
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  Speaker 1: the idea that you know, these are just total random
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  Speaker 1: and there's no accuracy to it. We're actually seeing phones
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  Speaker 1: tracked together. Ray said on the podcast that his theory
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  Speaker 1: is that Mogan was Coberger's primary target due to the
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  Speaker 1: number of times he could trace their phones to similar locations,
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  Speaker 1: but he noted later that Mogan was often with Gonsalves
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  Speaker 1: and their phones moved together a lot. Look, that's been
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  Speaker 1: my assessment, and the reason I say that is because
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  Speaker 1: that's where the evidence has led us. Now, granted we
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  Speaker 1: don't have rock solid evidence, and that's just my theory.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that Maddie was the target, he said, adding
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  Speaker 1: that repeated collisions between their phones placed them in roughly
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  Speaker 1: the same area at the same time, including out a
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  Speaker 1: Pullman party the first week of school, and at the
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  Speaker 1: A and W store near the King Road crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: He also flagged what he described as Coburger's broader pattern
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  Speaker 1: of life, pointing to evidence of stalking before the murders. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was Brian Kolberger. Mister, O'm innocent out here stalking people.
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  Speaker 1: Because the state's work product didn't use the data, he said.
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  Speaker 1: His report only pushed back on what the state's witnesses used,
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  Speaker 1: which he said is lacking and missed the phone collisions entirely.
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  Speaker 1: I'm unable to locate any period of time between June
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  Speaker 1: twenty third, twenty twenty two and November thirteenth, twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: two where mister Colberger's mobile device is in the same
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  Speaker 1: specific area as any of the deceased mobile devices. He
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  Speaker 1: wrote that pattern of life was also broken on the
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  Speaker 1: night of the murders, when Ray said he believes the
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  Speaker 1: plant to target Mogan went awry and resulted in him
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  Speaker 1: fleeing south, where he'd never driven before. Sure sounds a
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  Speaker 1: lot like my theory, huh, And listen, the only reason
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  Speaker 1: I think that is because it's the most logical theory
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  Speaker 1: when we use the evidence we have. But I'm open
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  Speaker 1: to the evidence wherever it leads us. While prosecutors alleged
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  Speaker 1: that Colberger had visited the crime scene a dozen times
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  Speaker 1: before the murders and at least once the morning after,
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  Speaker 1: they have not pointed to collisions with any of the
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  Speaker 1: victims the way Ray described in the podcast. In a
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  Speaker 1: news briefing after Coburger's guilty plead, the case lead investigators
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  Speaker 1: said they didn't know who the target was. The evidence
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  Speaker 1: suggested that there was a reason that this particular house
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  Speaker 1: was chosen. Said then Moscow Police Corporal Brett Payne, what
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  Speaker 1: the reason is? We don't know. We don't know who
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  Speaker 1: the target was, and we're not going to speculate on
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  Speaker 1: that up here today, but we can tell you that
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, mister Coburger chose that residence. Perhaps it's
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  Speaker 1: the location layout, we don't know. And when they were
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  Speaker 1: asked by Fox News Digital if they had a motive,
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  Speaker 1: lead investigators replied, we don't. Ray has maintained that investigators
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  Speaker 1: missed the evidence and should go back into take another
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  Speaker 1: look in case Coberger's attempt to withdraw his plea and
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  Speaker 1: appeal his conviction succeeds. They need to get experts who
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  Speaker 1: actually know what the hell they're looking at, and they
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  Speaker 1: need to rebuild the case now, he said. Morgan Wright,
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  Speaker 1: another expert on digital forensics who's not connected to the case,
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  Speaker 1: said he's skeptical without seeing the locd BOR data firsthand.
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  Speaker 1: Show me the report, show me the map, said right,
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  Speaker 1: the host of Crime Reconstructed and the CEO and founder
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  Speaker 1: of the National Center for Open and Unsolved Cases, don't
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  Speaker 1: tell me, show me. Look. I'm with them on that.
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  Speaker 1: Let's see it. The days of me just trusting people
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  Speaker 1: are long over. Wright, who's been following the case, that
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  Speaker 1: he hasn't seen LOCDBOR references in connection with the investigation
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  Speaker 1: prior to the podcast interview. Ray argues that the records
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  Speaker 1: speak for themselves if investigators are willing to revisit them.
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  Speaker 1: After Coburger's guilty plea, Ray said he offered to do
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  Speaker 1: a debrief with the FBI to show the evidence. He
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  Speaker 1: said he found and they missed. He said he got
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  Speaker 1: no response, but added that he has presented before hundreds
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  Speaker 1: of law enforcement agencies around the country going back to November.
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  Speaker 1: He said, last week, Coburger filed a petition for a
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  Speaker 1: post conviction relief, claiming he had ineffective counsel from his
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  Speaker 1: defense team. So ridiculous, I mean, come on, absolutely ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: Ray also speculated that Coberger's post conviction petition was part
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  Speaker 1: of a broader legal strategy by his lead defense attorney,
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  Speaker 1: Anne Taylor. Despite the plea agreements waiver of most appeal rights.
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  Speaker 1: That's possible because Ann Taylor knows her shit. Coburger pleaded
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  Speaker 1: guilty to avoid the death penalty. This can never be
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  Speaker 1: the standard investigation that we see in cases. Ray said,
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  Speaker 1: this can never be acceptable. However, he said he's confident
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  Speaker 1: Colburger would be convicted any way at trial if investigators
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  Speaker 1: introduced the evidence he found while working with Taylor. The
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  Speaker 1: time is now to start this investigation over. Ray said
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  Speaker 1: Colberger had followed other people in Moscow, Pullmon area. He said,
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  Speaker 1: a pair of college towns on the border of Washington
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  Speaker 1: and Idaho. I think he had multiple targets throughout the
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  Speaker 1: entire Moscow Pullmon area. Ray said, location information and pattern
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  Speaker 1: of life is by far the most telling. Ray said
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  Speaker 1: he had no doubt that Coburger committed the murders. If
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  Speaker 1: he ever does walk, he will kill again. He said, Yo,
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  Speaker 1: I agree with that, But as far as the other stuff,
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  Speaker 1: we'll have to wait and see, because I think that
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty important that we see the documentation, right, So
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  Speaker 1: will we? I guess that's the question. And like usual,
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  Speaker 1: we'll continue to follow along and when we have some
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  Speaker 1: more information, we'll get it added to the catalog. All
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  Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
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