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Speaker 1: Kids.
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Speaker 2: He's the report.
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Speaker 3: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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Speaker 3: James Macpherson. Coming up tonight. Another day, another Anthony Albanese
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Speaker 3: diplomatic failure, this time in Papua New Guinea. But don't worry,
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Speaker 3: the PM says it's all upside. More on that in
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Speaker 3: a moment. An Australian reporter from the ABC has sensationally
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Speaker 3: clashed with Donald Trump. I'll get into that and much
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Speaker 3: more with Rowan Dean, Charlie Kirk's alleged killer, has appeared
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Speaker 3: in court for the first time as prosecutors seek the
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Speaker 3: death penalty. Meanwhile, an Australian senator makes light of the
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Speaker 3: whole thing, describing Charlie Kirk as an awful person. I'll
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Speaker 3: bring you the latest and if you think our kids
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Speaker 3: aren't going through enough already, University professors are calling for
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Speaker 3: Australia's education system to be overhauled. Why they want to
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Speaker 3: include more climate doomsday retri Can you believe it? All
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Speaker 3: of that shortly? But first, Progressives like to boast that
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Speaker 3: they're the moral guardians of our age, bravely protecting civilization
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Speaker 3: from the barbarian hordes of conservatives who believe in such
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Speaker 3: radical notions as borders, free speech, and you know, not
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Speaker 3: murdering people, which probably explains why America's ABC News has
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Speaker 3: decided to treat the assassination of Charlie Kirk not as
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Speaker 3: a political killing, but as the world's most awkward romantic comedy.
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Speaker 3: Let me start by playing you a bit of the
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Speaker 3: press conference in which the Utah County DA reads one
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Speaker 3: of the text messages alleged assassin Tyler Robinson sent to
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Speaker 3: his boyfriend, Have a listen.
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Speaker 4: I am still okay, my love, but am stuck in
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Speaker 4: orum for a little while longer yet shouldn't be long
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Speaker 4: until I can come home, but I got to grab
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Speaker 4: my rifle still. To be honest, I'd hope to keep
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Speaker 4: this secret till a date of old age. I am
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Speaker 4: sorry to involve you.
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Speaker 3: Now, have a listened to how this was reported by
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Speaker 3: usabc's Matt Gutman, the network's chief correspondent for sentimental homicide.
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Speaker 5: If we have seen an alleged murder with such specific
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Speaker 5: text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hiding,
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Speaker 5: how it was pleased what was on it, but also
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Speaker 5: it was very touching in a way that I think
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Speaker 5: many of us didn't expect a very intimate portrait into
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Speaker 5: this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself,
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Speaker 5: with him repeatedly calling his roommate, who was transitioning, calling
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Speaker 5: him my love, and I want to protect you.
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Speaker 2: My love.
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Speaker 3: Matt Gutman sounds less like a reporter than someone auditioning
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Speaker 3: to narrate the notebook. How on earth do you conclude
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Speaker 3: text exchanges between Charlie Kirk's assassin and his transgendered roommate
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Speaker 3: very touching, touching like an electrical wire. The text messages
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Speaker 3: are a murder confession. This isn't pride and prejudice. It
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Speaker 3: was pride, prejudice, and premeditated homicide. But Gutman praised the
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Speaker 3: text as and I quote, a very intimate portrait. Apparently,
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Speaker 3: when you confess to shooting someone for being conservative, but
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Speaker 3: call you a roommate my love in the same breath,
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Speaker 3: you transform from a psychopath into a poet. It was,
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Speaker 3: as CNN would say, a mostly loving assassination. It's one
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Speaker 3: thing for crazy lefties to celebrate the murder of Charlie Kirk,
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Speaker 3: but it's another thing altogether for America's ABC to turn
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Speaker 3: a cold blooded murder into a hallmark romance. Here's some
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Speaker 3: more of that news report, and to get you through it,
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Speaker 3: you'll need a box of tissues and a lobotomy.
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Speaker 5: So was this duality of someone who, the attorney said,
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Speaker 5: not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd,
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Speaker 5: but was doing it in front of children, which is
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Speaker 5: one of the aggravating circumstances of this case.
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Speaker 3: And on the other hand, he was.
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Speaker 5: Speaking so lovingly about his partner.
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Speaker 3: It gets worse. On the ABC livestream that followed that interview,
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Speaker 3: the reporter became quite emotion telling viewers and I quote,
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Speaker 3: I don't think I ever experienced a press conference in
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Speaker 3: which we've read text messages that are a so fulsome
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Speaker 3: so robust, so apparently allegedly self incriminating, and yet on
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Speaker 3: the other hand so touching, right, and the terminology he used.
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Speaker 3: He was trying to protect him, He kept calling him
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Speaker 3: my love, My reason for doing this is to protect you,
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Speaker 3: you know, but also asking him to delete the messages
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Speaker 3: and not speak to law enforcement. So there's this heartbreaking
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Speaker 3: duality that we're seeing very tragically played out America's ABC
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Speaker 3: make Kirk's assassination less of a brutal murder and more
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Speaker 3: of a love story between two misunderstood lads, an old
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Speaker 3: fashioned Romeo and Romeo love story of a passionate shooter
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Speaker 3: scribbling erotic notes to his furry friend. For years, the
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Speaker 3: progressive left painted Charlie Kirk as a villain. Now that
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Speaker 3: he's assassinated, they rush to humanize his killer. A Christian
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Speaker 3: Conservative is dead, but the assassin's love life will dim
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Speaker 3: the life and cue the violins. Fox News described the
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Speaker 3: text messages as disturbing. The ABC went with touching It
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Speaker 3: wants you to believe the alleged assassin was a kind
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Speaker 3: of a gay Romeo killing not out of hate, but
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Speaker 3: out of misunderstood love. And if you think I'm exaggerating,
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Speaker 3: have listened to CNN panelist Montel Williams.
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Speaker 6: There are people who are trying to pigeonhole this as
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Speaker 6: a leftist thing and a right thing. And what we're
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Speaker 6: really talking about, hear me, because I'm going to throw
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Speaker 6: you when I say this. We're talking about a love
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Speaker 6: torn child, a kid. This is probably his first real
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Speaker 6: relationship and somebody was disparaging the person that he loved.
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Speaker 6: He sat on that building for thirty minutes before he
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Speaker 6: took the shot. Why do you wait until the first
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Speaker 6: word trans came up? Then he took the shot.
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Speaker 7: You think he heard it, He could hear.
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Speaker 6: I think he could hear it. I think he also.
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Speaker 6: I don't believe he was motivated politically. I think this
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Speaker 6: was motivated emotionally. I think this was an emotionally stunded
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Speaker 6: person who literally, I want to say this way, just here,
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Speaker 6: we tried to defend his significant other.
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Speaker 3: I would be roaring with laughter if it wasn't so dangerous.
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Speaker 3: It gives permission for the next politically motivated lunatic to
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Speaker 3: pull the triggers long as he signs off with a
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Speaker 3: heart emoji. The press once swore they'd speak truth to power.
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Speaker 3: Now they whisper sweet nothing's to murderers. You know who
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Speaker 3: did have a touching love story, Charlie and Erica Kirk.
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Speaker 3: Here's how progressives think. If a conservative misgenders someone, that's armageddon.
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Speaker 3: But if a conservative is murdered, wow, that's just a
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Speaker 3: subplot in a touching romance. I imagine. America's ABC is
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Speaker 3: right now working on a documentary entitled Hitler's Tender Love
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Speaker 3: Notes to Eva Brauner a reminder that even genocidal maniacs
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Speaker 3: need cuddles, and they'll describe those letters, no doubt as
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Speaker 3: very touching in a way that many Holocaust survivors wouldn't expect. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 3: progressives were literally dancing in the streets the day it
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Speaker 3: news that charges against alleged murderer Luigi Manngoni have been downgraded.
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Speaker 3: They celebrated like the man now charged with second degree
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Speaker 3: murder rather than terrorism for shooting dead a health insurance
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Speaker 3: executive in the street had just been crowned Miss America.
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Speaker 3: I never thought I would say this, but remember the
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Speaker 3: old days when the progressive left were content to I
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Speaker 3: don't know, set fire to Tesla's and Loop department stores
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Speaker 3: rather than openly cheer for murderers. I missed those days. Well.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albaneze went to part for New Guinea to sign
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Speaker 3: a historic defense treaty and he came home with a
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Speaker 3: press release. But don't worry, he says, it's all upside.
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Speaker 8: There is no doubt in this whatsoever. This is all
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Speaker 8: upside for Australia and upside for Papua New Guinea.
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Speaker 9: Ah.
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Speaker 3: Yes, in Anthony Alberneezi's world, failure is just success in disguise.
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Speaker 3: The theater was set in Port moresby a grand table,
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Speaker 3: gold pens and a solemn air of a big announcement.
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Speaker 3: This was supposed to be the moment Australia and Papua
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Speaker 3: New Guinea forged an ansa style packed an agreement that
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Speaker 3: an attack on one would be treated as an attack
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Speaker 3: on both. Instead, the cameras caught the Prime Minister signing
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Speaker 3: a communicate so flimsy it could double as a takeaway menu.
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Speaker 8: What this is about is the processes of their cabinet
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Speaker 8: that we respect.
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Speaker 10: It's been a busy week this week.
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Speaker 8: The wording has been agreed to. The communicate today has
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Speaker 8: signed outlines precisely what is in the treaty.
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Speaker 3: Right, so we've signed the communicate outlining what's in the
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Speaker 3: treaty that hasn't been signed. This is what our Prime
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Speaker 3: minister expects us to believe passes for defense against China.
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Speaker 3: No wonder Beijing calls him handsome boy. This is strike
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Speaker 3: two for Albanzi. In just eight days. Last week, Vanuatu
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Speaker 3: refused to ink a five hundred million dollar deal, reportedly
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Speaker 3: thanks to a nudge from Beijing. Now Papua New Guinea's
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Speaker 3: cab that can't even assemble a korum to endorse the
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Speaker 3: treaty our prime minister had already declared as done and dusted.
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Speaker 3: Two trips, two failures, one increasingly red face, and yet
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Speaker 3: mister Albanezi insists there's no downside. One imagines if his
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Speaker 3: luggage goes missing at the airport on his flight home,
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Speaker 3: he'll call it all upside because well, at least it
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Speaker 3: would spare him any heavy lifting. The contrast between leaders
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Speaker 3: is particularly telling. Have listened to Papua New Guinea Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister James Marapi talking about how concerned he is about
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Speaker 3: the defense of his country.
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Speaker 1: As prime minister, I got to sleep every night worrying
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Speaker 1: if someone in v that's my contry.
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Speaker 3: What is my defense when they done? Marapi lies awake
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Speaker 3: at night contemplating existential threats. Alban Ezi he just lies down.
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Speaker 3: And remember this wasn't even Canber's idea. Papa New Guinea
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Speaker 3: asked for this treaty, Maurapi wanted it all Albanize he
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Speaker 3: had to do was show up and sign. But somehow
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Speaker 3: our prime minister turned a lay up into an airball
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Speaker 3: and then claimed the mistshot was a slam dunk to
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Speaker 3: make matters worse, Marpi, while defending Alberzi, announced he would
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Speaker 3: dispatch his Defense minister to brief China on the communicate.
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Speaker 3: He even reminded Australian reporters to please give respect to
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Speaker 3: China during their visit. Nothing says we've got your back, mate,
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Speaker 3: like running to Beijing to explain what you just promised.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanesi. The Communicat optimistically describes a future treaty that
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Speaker 3: will one day bind our nations in mutual defense, and
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Speaker 3: maybe even le Papua New Guineans join the Australian Defense Force.
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Speaker 3: But right now, that's as real as Anthony Albenese's backbone.
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Speaker 3: Something often spoken of but really cited the tragedy is
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Speaker 3: that the Pacific is not a debating club. It's the
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Speaker 3: frontline of strategic competition. China's throwing money and muscle into
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Speaker 3: the region while Australia's Prime minister throws around words like upside.
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Speaker 3: Marapi worries about his country being invaded. Albanzi seems to
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Speaker 3: worry more about missing a photo opportunity. One leader is
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Speaker 3: awake at night, the other is asleep at the wheel.
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Speaker 3: If this is what passes for Australian diplomacy, then perhaps
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Speaker 3: we should pray the Communicat includes a clause on counting
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Speaker 3: failures as victories, because under Ambernizi, we're going to need it.
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Speaker 3: This was blatant diplomatic incompetence, paraded in front of the
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Speaker 3: world and confirming everything China and America already suspected about
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Speaker 3: the Albanesi government. Well, joining me now our former Labor
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Speaker 3: Treasurer Michael Costa and Cameron Milner from GXO Strategies. Gentlemen,
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Speaker 3: thanks for coming on the pro I'll start with you, Michael.
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Speaker 3: There is no way to spin this. Albanese's inability to
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Speaker 3: sign a defense treaty with Papua New Guinea is an embarrassing.
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Speaker 11: Failure, absolutely embarrassing, and that was a cringe worthy conference
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Speaker 11: press conference. Somebody trying to create a diamond out of
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Speaker 11: a pile of You know what, The reality is that
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Speaker 11: the Pacific doesn't respect Australia, and largely it doesn't respect
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Speaker 11: Australia because we don't respect our own defense. How can
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Speaker 11: you go and offer people the ability to cover their
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Speaker 11: defense needs if you can't even defend your own coastline
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Speaker 11: as we saw when the Chinese Navy went down our
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Speaker 11: coast with a live fire exercise and we relied on
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Speaker 11: a Virgin pilot to let us know, I mean, Papua
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Speaker 11: Union Guiney, we'd be better off getting a contract with
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Speaker 11: Virgin Airlines to do its naval coastal defense. You know,
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Speaker 11: that's the reality. We face an embarrassment. I mean it
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Speaker 11: is Albernizi's turned to face that embarrassment. But I just
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Speaker 11: make the point. This has been a long time coming.
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Speaker 11: The decline in defense spending, the inability to put forward
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Speaker 11: a proper defense strategy has been around for a decade
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Speaker 11: at least, so both sides have got to blame on this.
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Speaker 3: The point here, Cameron is that the primary job of
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Speaker 3: a government is to ensure the defense of our nation.
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Speaker 3: If you can't do that, what are you for? But
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Speaker 3: clearly labor is not up to this.
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Speaker 1: No it's not. And this has been a diplomatic disaster.
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Speaker 1: Diplomatic disaster from defat Pennywong and Albow. This trip was
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Speaker 1: supposed to have treaties and friendship agreements and everything else.
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Speaker 1: None of that's occurred. None of that's occurred. And to
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Speaker 1: your point, Michael, you know Albo's there spinning at the
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Speaker 1: press conference, spinking at the press conference, spinning more time
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Speaker 1: as a lazy susan at a busy Yum cha, James,
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Speaker 1: that's what he was doing. There was no substance to it.
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Speaker 1: And you're right. We need real defense, we need real policies,
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Speaker 1: and we don't want to part time P or a
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Speaker 1: party PM. We want a full time PM who actually
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Speaker 1: does stay awake at night worrying about the defense of
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Speaker 1: a nation.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So we don't have a defense pack, but we do
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Speaker 3: have a rugby league team in p ANDNG, so I
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Speaker 3: guess there's that. Beijing, meanwhile, has accused Anthie Albanesi of
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Speaker 3: being two faced in his attitude towards China. An editorial
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Speaker 3: in the state owned China Daily says, and I'm quoting,
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Speaker 3: Australia's two faced policy towards China is not sustainable in
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Speaker 3: the long run. The Australian government is urged to develop
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Speaker 3: a rational perception of China as not only Australia's largest
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Speaker 3: trading partner, but also a responsible major country committed to
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Speaker 3: promoting peace and stability in the Asia Pacific region. And
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Speaker 3: beyond Michael, they've got a point don't they. I mean,
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanizi is kind of too faced when it comes
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Speaker 3: to China, happy to indulge them when it comes to trade,
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Speaker 3: but at the same time trying to butter us defenses
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Speaker 3: against them. They've called him out there.
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Speaker 11: Analysis of Elbow is a spot on, but there pressureable.
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Speaker 11: He's talking about stability and security in the region when
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Speaker 11: they're out harassing every country in the South China Sea
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Speaker 11: and the region. Is just absolute nonsense. But again it's
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Speaker 11: the case that they just don't respect us until we
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Speaker 11: start putting real dollars into defense and have a strategy
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Speaker 11: which outlines what our threats are, and the top of
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Speaker 11: that threat list would be China. And the government's got
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Speaker 11: to acknowledge that you can have trade. You can have
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Speaker 11: trade because that's mutually beneficial, but you've got to be
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Speaker 11: clear sighted about your defense policy and Albo hasn't been
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Speaker 11: and it's a disgrace and it's led to the position
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Speaker 11: we're in.
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Speaker 3: So Cameron Albanez is really trying to walk both sides
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Speaker 3: of the street and getting nowhere, not just with China
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Speaker 3: but also with the Trump administration. This is sort of
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Speaker 3: becoming a pattern in his leadership isn't it. He really
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Speaker 3: doesn't take a position. He just trying to please everybody.
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Speaker 1: He likes walking the low long while on the Barbee offence,
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Speaker 1: doesn't he?
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Speaker 9: James?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know this is China. They're adding insult
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Speaker 1: to injury. I mean you know they shirt fronted him
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Speaker 1: in the Solomon Islands. You know, shame faced him in
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Speaker 1: VANIWHATU left him empty hand in p ANDNG today and
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Speaker 1: now decided to kick him in the backside on his
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Speaker 1: way to Trump or way the UN and look at
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Speaker 1: after Palestine and then ce Trump. Maybe this is China
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Speaker 1: in rude form. Rude form, James adding absolute insult to
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Speaker 1: injury about what Alba hasn't done for Australia.
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Speaker 3: All Right, I want to move on to some more
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Speaker 3: domestic news. The Coalition has received obviously bad news after
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Speaker 3: the horrific Federal News poll earlier this week, but now
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Speaker 3: pauling from Redbridge shows Jacinta Allen in Victoria is in
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Speaker 3: an election winning position, leading the two party preferred vote
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Speaker 3: against the Coalition fifty two to forty eight. That's up
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Speaker 3: from fifty one and a half percent to forty eight
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Speaker 3: and a half percent in July. Michael I guess everyone's
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Speaker 3: wondering how the Victorian opposition is not in an election
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Speaker 3: winning position given the state of Victoria, which which we
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Speaker 3: talk about ad nauseum.
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Speaker 11: Well, it's pretty obvious why they spent all of last
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Speaker 11: year or at least eighteen months fighting internal battles and
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Speaker 11: they had to replace a leader. They are incompetent, but look,
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Speaker 11: they just reflect the Liberal Party nationally. Remember that Dunton
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Speaker 11: expected to win seats in Victoria that never eventuated the
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Speaker 11: fact that she can be competitive down there with the
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Speaker 11: most incompetent government in the country just shows you how
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Speaker 11: the depths of despair that must be in true believers
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Speaker 11: within the Liberal Party unless they get their policies right.
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Speaker 11: They focus in on not being labor light. They will
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Speaker 11: see this across the board and it will continue.
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Speaker 3: Well, it seems like the public have concluded, and rightly
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Speaker 3: in my view, that if you can't run your own party,
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Speaker 3: you probably can't run the state. As you said, the
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Speaker 3: Victorian Liberal Party have been constantly talking about themselves, which
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Speaker 3: reminds me of another branch of the Liberal Party, their
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Speaker 3: federal counterparts, Cameron.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it I mean? You know, Bob Hawk coined the
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Speaker 1: phrase if you can't govern yourselves, you can't govern the country.
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Speaker 1: And not a true a word said about Brad Batten's
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Speaker 1: basket case a caucus down there. I mean, they fight
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Speaker 1: themselves more than they fight labor, and I wonder what
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Speaker 1: the results look like. But I also think it's a
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Speaker 1: bit of policy genius. I mean, I know businesses don't
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Speaker 1: like the work from home policy at Cinderella an state conference,
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Speaker 1: but electorally it's very popular in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: All Right, one more topic. I wanted to pick your
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Speaker 3: brains on global mining giant BHP have revealed they'll cut
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Speaker 3: seven hundred and fifty jobs from their Queensland operations, and
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Speaker 3: they've blamed the state's coal royalties regime, which they say
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Speaker 3: is bringing the market towards crisis point. The Queensland Deputy
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Speaker 3: Premier has slammed the move.
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Speaker 2: Here he is I think that is un Australian. I
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Speaker 2: think they should keep investing. They have made billions of
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Speaker 2: dollars from the resources owned by Queensland taxpayers and Queenslanders,
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Speaker 2: and they should keep investing in the future of young
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Speaker 2: people who want a job in a mine or a
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Speaker 2: resource sectate.
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Speaker 3: It's an Australian. I'm not sure that's the best argument here, Michael,
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Speaker 3: but coal's been laying golden eggs for the longest time
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Speaker 3: in this country. Seems to be the government is pretty
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Speaker 3: intent on killing the goose.
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Speaker 11: That was one of the most foolish comments I've ever
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Speaker 11: heard from a politician. A company is supposed to invest
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Speaker 11: in the most hostile environment, and let's be fair, the
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Speaker 11: hostility is not just at the state level, it's at
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Speaker 11: the national level, as we know with that silly propaganda
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Speaker 11: report that was issued earlier in the week. The fact
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Speaker 11: of the matter is that these states are bankrupt. They
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Speaker 11: depend on coal and mining royalties, as does the federal government.
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Speaker 11: By the way, I mean, seventy five billion dollars last
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Speaker 11: year through royalties and company tax went into state and
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Speaker 11: federal governments. And they're about to kill the goose that
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Speaker 11: laid the golden egg. And it's through incompetence. It's because
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Speaker 11: of the environment. I mean, why would you invest in
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Speaker 11: Australia when you're facing propagandistic reports that claim that your
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Speaker 11: product is destroying the country. It's ridiculous. They have got
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Speaker 11: consequences and those consequences will hit frontline services. They will
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Speaker 11: hit each of the state budgets and unless they reverse
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Speaker 11: their policy on coal, you're going to see this across
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Speaker 11: the board.
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Speaker 3: Well, Cameron, if you don't laugh, you'll cry. And I
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Speaker 3: think things are so bad and blink these days you've
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Speaker 3: got to look for the funny side. And I had
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Speaker 3: to laugh at Stephen Miles, the Labor leader urging the
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Speaker 3: coalition to save the coal mining industry. I thought coal
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Speaker 3: was bad.
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Speaker 1: That's right, And isn't it great when you go from
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Speaker 1: being premier to the opposition leader. Amnesia kicks in, Amnesia
20:38
Speaker 1: kicks in. James, look no, I mean the reality is
20:41
Speaker 1: that the same ton of coal in Queenslander's tax at
20:43
Speaker 1: forty percent and in New South Wild at ten and
20:45
Speaker 1: a half percent. Do the maths. I mean they are
20:47
Speaker 1: taxing this industry into the ground.
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Speaker 3: Michael Costa, Cameron Milner, always a pleasure to talk to
20:54
Speaker 3: you both. Thanks for joining me tonight. Well after the break,
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Speaker 3: the Australian reporter who sensationally with Donald Trump is now
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Speaker 3: trying to defend himself. Plus you won't believe what CNN
21:05
Speaker 3: is trying to pass off as journalism. Rowan Dean is
21:08
Speaker 3: up next.
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Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 3: US President Donald Trump has chastised An Australian ABC journalist
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Speaker 3: for asking questions about his business affairs, and pointedly, Trump
21:21
Speaker 3: told the reporter that his impertinence was hurting Australia's interests, which,
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Speaker 3: in fairness to Donald Trump, wouldn't be the first time
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Speaker 3: the ABC had played chicken with the national interest. But
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Speaker 3: I digress. He's the exchange between US president and ABC
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Speaker 3: reporter John Lyons. But he's an appropriate president.
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Speaker 13: Trump that a president in offers should be engaged in
21:42
Speaker 13: so much business activity.
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Speaker 9: Well, I'm really not.
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Speaker 14: My kids are running the business, and you know at
21:47
Speaker 14: the activity.
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Speaker 12: Where are you from.
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Speaker 1: I'm from the Australian Broadcasting hot agent, Paul Corners.
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Speaker 9: The Australias. You're hurting Australia.
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Speaker 12: In my opinion, you are hurting.
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Speaker 8: Australia very much right now.
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Speaker 12: Now they want to get along with me.
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Speaker 9: You know your your leader is coming over to.
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Speaker 15: See me very so I'm going to tell them about you.
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Speaker 12: You said a very bad tone.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Sky News host of Outsiders on
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Speaker 3: Sundays and his own show on Fridays. The World, according
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Speaker 3: to Rowan, Dean Rowan, thanks for joining me. Just before
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Speaker 3: we get to whether or not John Lyon's questions were appropriate.
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Speaker 3: It strikes me odd that he missed the real story.
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump hinted that a meeting with Albanezi had been set.
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Speaker 9: Incredible, James, and that was exactly the scoop that the
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Speaker 9: ABC missed.
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Speaker 10: They are so completely useless.
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Speaker 9: The big issue in Australia at the moment, the biggest
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Speaker 9: issue in Australia is our relationship with our with America,
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Speaker 9: our most important ally, our most important cultural and trading partner.
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Speaker 9: There's the scoop sitting there. The ABC misses it because
22:51
Speaker 9: of their tedious their Trump derangement syndrome is so intense.
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Speaker 9: We pay for the ABC one point two billion dollars
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Speaker 9: a year. John Lyons was over there on our behalf.
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Speaker 9: The ABC is different to all other media organizations. He
23:07
Speaker 9: was there representing Australia. Now, the ABC have a shameful
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Speaker 9: history with Donald Trump. They wasted hundreds of thousands who
23:15
Speaker 9: knows how much money they wasted on all the Russian
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Speaker 9: collusion stuff. They did, sent journalists all around the world,
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Speaker 9: they did three part episodes.
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Speaker 10: They never apologized for that disgrace.
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Speaker 9: But here we have a representative of Australia at a
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Speaker 9: critical time in Australian US relationships, And there are so
23:32
Speaker 9: many things he could have asked apart from the obvious,
23:35
Speaker 9: which is when are you going to see Donald Trump?
23:37
Speaker 9: He could have asked about our beef exports. He could
23:39
Speaker 9: have asked about our relationship with China. He could have
23:42
Speaker 9: asked about what you were talking about earlier, PAPU and
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Speaker 9: New Guinea and the relationship, what that means for China,
23:47
Speaker 9: et cetera. He could have asked about free speech. If
23:49
Speaker 9: John Lynes wanted to be provocative. I'm not saying he
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Speaker 9: should be sick of vantic to the US president.
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Speaker 10: Not at all. But he's got to be relevant. He's
23:56
Speaker 10: got to.
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Speaker 9: Say something that elicits a response. He could have asked
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Speaker 9: about any number of things, free trade, he.
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Speaker 10: Could have any number of things.
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Speaker 9: Were sitting there, recognizing Palestine next week. Why didn't he
24:09
Speaker 9: ask of what Donald Trump thinks of that? Instead he
24:12
Speaker 9: asks about Donald Trump's business interests. If there was anything there,
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Speaker 9: I suspect the American media might have already dug into
24:21
Speaker 9: that particular issue. There were ninety three absolutely only last year.
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Speaker 9: What were they doing?
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Speaker 10: Get rid of this?
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Speaker 9: John Lyons guy and the ABC should be on a
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Speaker 9: subscription based it as a waste of our money.
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Speaker 3: James, Well, here's John Lyons claiming to be a victim
24:37
Speaker 3: of Trump's war on the media. Have listened to what
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Speaker 3: he had to.
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Speaker 13: Say, suggestion there too that it might damage relations between
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Speaker 13: the US and Australia, which I think is an absurd
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Speaker 13: notion that two or three questions legitimate questions to the
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Speaker 13: most powerful person.
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Speaker 16: In the world.
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Speaker 13: If our jobs journalists this the whole truth to power,
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Speaker 13: then surely asking legitimate question politely to the President of
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Speaker 13: the United States should be acceptable. But in this day
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Speaker 13: and age in America now it's not. And we can
25:09
Speaker 13: see even yesterday Donald Trump announced he's suing The New
25:12
Speaker 13: York Times to the tune of fifteen billion dollars. So
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Speaker 13: I think all this feeds into President Trump's sort of
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Speaker 13: war on the media.
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Speaker 3: So Rowan he's playing the victim. Was Donald Trump rude
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Speaker 3: to him?
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Speaker 14: No?
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Speaker 9: And Donald Trump doesn't have a war on the media.
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Speaker 9: Donald Trump has a war on half wits like the ABC,
25:33
Speaker 9: and in America there's any number of them. The ABC, there,
25:35
Speaker 9: of course, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN.
25:40
Speaker 10: The list goes on and on of left winner.
25:43
Speaker 9: Outfits which are so mired in their Trump derangement syndrome
25:47
Speaker 9: they are not looking after their viewers. They lie to
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Speaker 9: their viewers and the newspapers as well, and that is
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Speaker 9: why Donald Trump issuing them, because he's had enough of
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Speaker 9: this nonsense. John Lyons was a disgrace. Yeah, he was
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Speaker 9: supposed to be representing Australia.
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Speaker 12: He asked a.
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Speaker 9: Ridiculous question to which they can earnly there's no answer.
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Speaker 9: What's the expect Donald Trump to say? Oh, okay, do
26:08
Speaker 9: you want to look at my business sir? You know
26:10
Speaker 9: he's a stack of papers to take away and look
26:12
Speaker 9: at them. I mean, an absolute disgrace, and yes, Donald
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Speaker 9: Trump is absolutely correct. All John Lyons did was muddy
26:20
Speaker 9: further our relationship with America. He should have been there
26:23
Speaker 9: representing our interests strongly. But he should have been saying,
26:26
Speaker 9: for example, what do you make of Kevin Right? Is
26:29
Speaker 9: he doing a good job? He could have been saying
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Speaker 9: any number of things. Instead, he chose this ridiculous frolic
26:35
Speaker 9: that the ABC are off on. Trump arrangement syndrome is
26:38
Speaker 9: poisoning this country and particular the media elites in this country.
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Speaker 3: James, Okay, Well, while we're talking about the media. I
26:48
Speaker 3: want to get your thoughts on the way they're covering
26:50
Speaker 3: the assassination of Charlie Kirk, particularly as pertains to the
26:54
Speaker 3: alleged assassin. The media began by suggesting Charlie Kirk's death
26:58
Speaker 3: was caused by a MEGA supporter firing a gun in
27:01
Speaker 3: celebration of Charlie Kirk. Can you believe? Then they said
27:04
Speaker 3: it was a Mega supporter upset that Charlie Kirk wasn't
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Speaker 3: right wing enough, and now they claim the murderer's motive
27:10
Speaker 3: is a complete mystery. Here's the UTAHDA explaining Tyler Robinson's
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Speaker 3: potential motives.
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Speaker 4: Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so,
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Speaker 4: Robinson had become more political and had started to lean
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Speaker 4: more to the left, becoming more pro gay and trance
27:29
Speaker 4: writes Oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate,
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Speaker 4: a biological male who was transitioning genders. This resulted in
27:41
Speaker 4: several discussions with family members.
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Speaker 3: And now check out CNN claiming the motive is a
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Speaker 3: complete mystery.
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Speaker 17: You've said a lot there, and we don't have a
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Speaker 17: motive yet.
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Speaker 15: We don't know yet.
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Speaker 12: We're waiting.
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Speaker 17: Obviously, we've heard what the governors had to say, with
27:55
Speaker 17: the course, we don't have a motive yet, we know
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Speaker 17: we don't have a lot of yet happening.
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Speaker 10: With Really, that's CNN's position.
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Speaker 15: If we just happened the fire of the.
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Speaker 9: Gun and celebration, you can't tell the.
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Speaker 17: Motives, Senator, that's not what I said. And I said
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Speaker 17: law enforcement hasn't laid out a direct motive. They've laid
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Speaker 17: out a lot of evidence here of these messages and
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Speaker 17: hated Charlie kirk.
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Speaker 3: Rowan. CNN just never learned, do they.
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Speaker 10: Well, there you go.
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Speaker 9: It's the same thing as what we were just talking
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Speaker 9: about with John Lyons. When the media are so immersed
28:31
Speaker 9: in pushing a narrative, their own narrative, when reality collides
28:36
Speaker 9: with that narrative, rather than them behaving like proper journalists.
28:40
Speaker 9: There's so few outlets left that do behave like proper journalists.
28:44
Speaker 9: Thank god we have Sky News Australia.
28:46
Speaker 10: Thank god.
28:47
Speaker 9: Even the Americans look to Sky News Australia to find
28:50
Speaker 9: out what's happening in America. The ABC is a disgrace.
28:53
Speaker 9: It should be shut down. It is a waste of money.
28:55
Speaker 9: CNN is being shut down because they have no viewers.
28:58
Speaker 9: They don't have a public money coming to them, so
29:01
Speaker 9: they are collapsing from.
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Speaker 10: Within because you can't. You're either a news outlet or
29:06
Speaker 10: you're a propaganda outfit.
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Speaker 9: And CNN and all those ones I mentioned before have
29:09
Speaker 9: decided to be propaganda outfits for the Democrats and the
29:13
Speaker 9: Democrat story. The Democrat base is collapsing under the way
29:18
Speaker 9: to all the inconsistencies and incoherent logics and lies that
29:22
Speaker 9: have been peddled. And the last thing the Left in
29:25
Speaker 9: America can tolerate is that the transgender story that they've
29:30
Speaker 9: been behind and pushing so aggressively is coming to light,
29:35
Speaker 9: according to the law enforcement officers, as a key part
29:39
Speaker 9: of why Charlie Kirk was killed. Now, we'll wait for
29:43
Speaker 9: all the details. I'm not going to go into all
29:45
Speaker 9: of that, but as Ted Cruz says, it's blatantly obvious
29:49
Speaker 9: already from what we have heard, hasn't gone to jury,
29:53
Speaker 9: hasn't gone to courts. Alleged killer, et cetera, et cetera,
29:55
Speaker 9: know all of that. But what we have been told
29:58
Speaker 9: it is perfectly reasonable for the average person to make
30:01
Speaker 9: assumptions about what the motive was.
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Speaker 3: Yep. Obvious to everybody except those watching CNN. Rowan Dean
30:10
Speaker 3: always appreciate talking to you. Thanks for joining me. We'll
30:13
Speaker 3: stick around because coming up after the break. Charlie Kirk's
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Speaker 3: alleged killer has appeared in court for the first time,
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Speaker 3: and one of our Australian senators has described Charlie Kirk
30:22
Speaker 3: as an awful person. I wonder if you can guess
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Speaker 3: which senator that was coming up in a moment. Well,
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Speaker 3: welcome back to the program, joining me at Jimmy Toonnini
30:35
Speaker 3: from GTA Communications GT Communications and Dan Wilde from the
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Speaker 3: Institute of Public Affairs. Charlie Kirk's alleged killer, Tyler Robinson,
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Speaker 3: has appeared in court for the first time. Utah prosecutors
30:47
Speaker 3: unveiled seven charges against him and outlined evidence, including a
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Speaker 3: series of texts which appear to show a confession to
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Speaker 3: his partner. As I showed you at the top of
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Speaker 3: the show, Utah County Attorney Jeff Ray outlined the evidence
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Speaker 3: against Robinson, including DNA on the trigger of the rifle
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Speaker 3: used to kill Charlie Kirk, matching Tyler Robinson. Prosecutors have
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Speaker 3: said they will seek the death penalty if Robinson is convicted.
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Speaker 12: We did file just recently within the last few minutes,
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Speaker 12: and notice of intent to seek the death penalty that
31:20
Speaker 12: was filed by Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray, so that
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Speaker 12: should be in the court's file.
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Speaker 3: Jima, let me start with you. From what we're learning,
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Speaker 3: the accused was the source of the hatred, not the
31:32
Speaker 3: victim of it.
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Speaker 14: Look, that seems to be the picture that is taking
31:40
Speaker 14: shape in the last few days. Although those of us
31:44
Speaker 14: who have been watching I suppose the recent history of
31:49
Speaker 14: these violent attacks in America particularly, are not surprised, and
31:53
Speaker 14: it's just it's heartrending. I have to say, James, full confession,
31:59
Speaker 14: I've been thinking a lot of Tyler Robinson's parents and
32:02
Speaker 14: families father turned him in. I mean, what, there is
32:06
Speaker 14: nothing but carnage everywhere you look with this crime.
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Speaker 15: But certainly I wouldn't.
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Speaker 14: Position the accused man as any kind of victim. To
32:14
Speaker 14: be honest with you, I think I don't understand the
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Speaker 14: kind of brokenness that leads to that kind of crime
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Speaker 14: of which he's facing the allegations of and potentially the
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Speaker 14: death penalty.
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Speaker 3: For well Daniel. I'm no supporter of the death penalty,
32:37
Speaker 3: but in this instance, I'm sympathetic and needs to be
32:41
Speaker 3: applied if Robinson has found guilty, because authorities have to
32:43
Speaker 3: send the strongest message about this kind of crime, don't they. Well,
32:50
Speaker 3: I show your perspective.
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Speaker 7: I'm not a fan of the death penalty other than
32:53
Speaker 7: in very select set of circumstances. Now, this gets very
32:56
Speaker 7: close to that line. This was a public secution carried
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Speaker 7: out within the context of a political and ideological conflict
33:05
Speaker 7: going on in the United States, in a matter that
33:08
Speaker 7: was premeditated and calculated. So it gets very close to
33:11
Speaker 7: that line. But I don't personally support it. One of
33:14
Speaker 7: the reasons, James, is because I'd hate for this just
33:17
Speaker 7: to go away, you know, I'd hate for it just
33:19
Speaker 7: to be the case that if this individual were to
33:22
Speaker 7: be put to death by the authorities, that we would say, well,
33:24
Speaker 7: that's job done. Because yes, he needs to be one
33:27
Speaker 7: hundred percent held responsible. But let's not forget the social
33:31
Speaker 7: context within which this occurred. All of the institutions, many
33:35
Speaker 7: arms of the media, you know, the nodes of cultural production,
33:40
Speaker 7: have created a society within which a permission structure has
33:43
Speaker 7: been created where it's okay to dehumanize your political opponents
33:48
Speaker 7: and to think of them as evil. This was always
33:51
Speaker 7: the point that we were making about Trump. If you
33:54
Speaker 7: start with Trump, it'll keep getting applied to other people
33:57
Speaker 7: when they called Trump fascist, when they implied or directly
34:01
Speaker 7: said that people's lives were at risk if Trump won,
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Speaker 7: This was always going to create a cauldron within which
34:07
Speaker 7: something like this tragically became increasingly likely.
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Speaker 14: I add to what Daniel was saying, if you wouldn't
34:17
Speaker 14: mind if I could just add to what Daniel was saying.
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Speaker 14: There's the other issue is if the death penalty is applied,
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Speaker 14: and I'm just as conflicted rather as both of you are.
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Speaker 14: There's the you know, the canonization and the martyrdom by
34:30
Speaker 14: you know, those who share his extreme views, and that
34:35
Speaker 14: you know that that can have a potential impact for
34:38
Speaker 14: you know, a domino effect that is completely unintended as well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is that to consider. You absolutely right, Jemma
34:47
Speaker 3: here at home. Senator Fatima Payman has described Charlie Kirk
34:51
Speaker 3: as an awful person and appeared to make fun of
34:53
Speaker 3: his death in a video broadcast on TikTok. Have a
34:57
Speaker 3: look at this and I want to get your thoughts.
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Speaker 18: So what do I think about Charlie Kirk and obviously
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Speaker 18: his assassination. I think he was a pretty awful person
35:09
Speaker 18: and he doesn't deserve all the recognition he's getting. It
35:12
Speaker 18: would have been best to not have him assassinated and
35:16
Speaker 18: for him to remain a footnote in the Trumpian era
35:20
Speaker 18: of the United States. Charlie Kirk got shot and he's
35:26
Speaker 18: rap whatever you want irap to stand for.
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Speaker 3: Daniel. It's just dangerous, isn't it. A federal senator shrugging
35:34
Speaker 3: off an assassination like that, Well, why.
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Speaker 7: Doesn't she go to the US and say that to
35:40
Speaker 7: his wife? See how that goes down. You know, I
35:44
Speaker 7: think that Senator Payment has a pattern of repeated behavior
35:47
Speaker 7: of engaging in this self interested headline grabbing behavior. She
35:51
Speaker 7: talks about footnotes, Well, she's going to be a footnote
35:53
Speaker 7: in history in three years time. She was elected on
35:56
Speaker 7: the labor ticket in Western Australia. She defected. She had
35:59
Speaker 7: vanishingly few that were cast directly towards her, and I
36:02
Speaker 7: think Western Australians are counting down the days when they
36:04
Speaker 7: can just see the back of her, because, you know,
36:06
Speaker 7: to be frank, I can't think of any constructive contribution
36:08
Speaker 7: she's made to debate, and I think this is really
36:11
Speaker 7: just the cherry on top. I mean, probably the only
36:13
Speaker 7: beneficial thing to come out of all of this. You know,
36:15
Speaker 7: berserk behavior by the Left has been for the mask
36:18
Speaker 7: to slip and so Australians can see what they're really like.
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Speaker 3: Jemma, the state of the Federal Senate is so depressing.
36:27
Speaker 3: And the other thing about Senator payment is she's the
36:30
Speaker 3: one who's supposed to be connecting with young people, so
36:33
Speaker 3: spreading messages like that on TikTok is just I mean,
36:37
Speaker 3: I was going to say it's incredibly unhelpful. That's an understatement.
36:42
Speaker 14: The first thing that struck me as I watched that
36:44
Speaker 14: video is how immature she is. She's like a teenage
36:48
Speaker 14: girl at best, she's university level at best. It was
36:54
Speaker 14: so full of status anxiety that it's cringe worthy.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely.
36:58
Speaker 14: As a formal Australian and I'm in wa at the moment,
37:02
Speaker 14: as a former West Australian voter, I can tell you
37:05
Speaker 14: that Senator Payman, you know, betrayed the people of Western
37:10
Speaker 14: Australia when she.
37:10
Speaker 15: Defected the Labor Party.
37:12
Speaker 14: She was gifted and let me use that word deliberately.
37:14
Speaker 14: She was gifted a position in the Senate to serve
37:18
Speaker 14: the people of Western Australia by the Labor Party, and
37:21
Speaker 14: she betrayed the Labor Party because of some self appointed
37:26
Speaker 14: sense of self interest and an inflated sense of importance.
37:30
Speaker 14: She has done nothing, delivered, nothing will deliver nothing. She's
37:34
Speaker 14: electorally irrelevant, has no voting power on her own, and
37:38
Speaker 14: as Dan absolutely accurately said, when the electoral cycle rolls around,
37:43
Speaker 14: it's she who will be a footnote on a rarely
37:47
Speaker 14: sparsely read Wikipedia page that people will forget in good time.
37:51
Speaker 14: And I think what she just said about a man
37:53
Speaker 14: being blown blown away in front of the world, who
37:57
Speaker 14: is a father of two little toddlers and has a
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Speaker 14: grieving wife left behind, what she said is an awful,
38:03
Speaker 14: awful reflection of her character and her lack of empathy
38:07
Speaker 14: for another human being.
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Speaker 3: What's often been said that contradiction isn't a bug in
38:13
Speaker 3: progressive ideology, It's a feature, and nothing demonstrates it better
38:17
Speaker 3: than this, Senator Masie Herono is outrage that the FBI
38:21
Speaker 3: requires female applicants to perform a single pull up as
38:26
Speaker 3: a part of their physical have Look, at least.
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Speaker 15: You are now requiring.
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Speaker 19: Applicants to be able to do a certain kind of
38:38
Speaker 19: pull ups which a lot of women cannot because of
38:42
Speaker 19: physiological differences.
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Speaker 16: FBI agents carrying guns in the field have to chase
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Speaker 16: down bad guys and do really hard work of the
38:49
Speaker 16: physical fitness standards of those agents.
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Speaker 19: So are you requiring these signs of pull ups?
38:55
Speaker 16: We are requiring everybody to pass the eighteen eleven standards
38:58
Speaker 16: at PFTC. If you want to chase down a bad
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Speaker 16: guy and put him in you better be able to
39:05
Speaker 16: do a pull up.
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Speaker 19: The reason I ask is that there are concerns about
39:09
Speaker 19: whether or not being able to do these kinds of
39:12
Speaker 19: harsh pull ups as are really required of FBI agents
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Speaker 19: doing one.
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Speaker 3: Horror now, Jimma Democrats have spent the past decade insisting
39:22
Speaker 3: biological men identifying as women have no physical advantage, not
39:26
Speaker 3: in sports or anything else, and now they insist it's
39:29
Speaker 3: unfair to have women do a single pull up because
39:31
Speaker 3: they're not as strong as men.
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Speaker 15: I mean, that's just laughable.
39:35
Speaker 14: Can I just tell you every woman that I train
39:37
Speaker 14: with in my cohort of gym buddies can do pull ups.
39:41
Speaker 14: I'm blaming my dodgy left shoulder for the moment I'm
39:43
Speaker 14: not allowed to, but it is not hard to achieve
39:46
Speaker 14: a single body weight pull up if you are consistent
39:49
Speaker 14: in your training.
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Speaker 15: And none of my friends that I'm referring to are
39:53
Speaker 15: in the FBI.
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Speaker 14: They all have office jobs or they're you know, partially
39:56
Speaker 14: working from home. That is an excellent representation of the
40:01
Speaker 14: hypocrisy of the woke left side of politics that, as you.
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Speaker 15: Say, one minute, we can't define a woman.
40:07
Speaker 14: The next minute, well this is really mean because women
40:09
Speaker 14: aren't as strong as men.
40:10
Speaker 15: I mean, pick a horse and ride at people.
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Speaker 3: Exactly. And Daniel, this is a great example of just
40:18
Speaker 3: how ludicrous the whole DEEI thing is. I mean, the
40:23
Speaker 3: FBI is for the best of the best to catch
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Speaker 3: the worst of the worst, not some place to conduct
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Speaker 3: social experiments.
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Speaker 7: Well, look, that's exactly right. It's pretty common sense, isn't
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Speaker 7: it when you look at it. There's a set of
40:37
Speaker 7: standards that need to be applied, and they apply to
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Speaker 7: men and women because both men and women need to
40:42
Speaker 7: be dealing, as Cage Pattel said, there with the bad guys.
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Speaker 7: So I think this senator has just made herself to
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Speaker 7: look like a bit of a fool. And I've got
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Speaker 7: to say, and I'm a bit of shame to say it,
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Speaker 7: but I think there's probably a lot of women in
40:52
Speaker 7: the gym that I go to would certainly put me
40:55
Speaker 7: to shame on the pull ups and so forth.
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Speaker 11: I don't know.
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Speaker 7: I think the senators sort of pulled.
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Speaker 9: The wrong rain on this one.
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Speaker 3: The three of us will have to go to the
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Speaker 3: gym sometime and we'll see how you're fare. Gemma, maybe
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Speaker 3: you'll go out.
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Speaker 15: Down and just say you're in rehab. Dan, You're fine.
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Speaker 15: Just blame your dodgy shoulder. It works a treat.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, Dan and I've been in rehab for a
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Speaker 3: long time, the both of us. Thanks to Jemmer and Dan.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate you joining me. Good on you're coming up
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Speaker 3: after the break. If you think our kids aren't terrified already, well,
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Speaker 3: the climate doomsdayers are now calling for more of it
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Speaker 3: in the university courses. I'll be joined by a child
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Speaker 3: psychologist next. Welcome back to the program. Joining me now
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Speaker 3: as child and adolescent psychologist Claire Row Claire, I want
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Speaker 3: to start with what I find a quite shocking story.
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Speaker 3: A thirteen year old boy has been arrested sixteen times
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Speaker 3: in the past seven months, but he claims he was
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Speaker 3: too young to understand that his actions were wrong, what
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Speaker 3: he got up to. This kid has had two hundred
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Speaker 3: and ninety interactions with police this year alone. He's been
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Speaker 3: charged with ten home invasions, five aggravated carjackings, three armed robberies,
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Speaker 3: and twenty five car thefts. His claims of ignorance come
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Speaker 3: despite allegedly taking measures to hide his identity. But he
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Speaker 3: committed many of these crimes, like wearing gloves and Bella Clavi's.
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Speaker 3: So I've got a lot of questions for you on
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Speaker 3: this one. First of all, can a thirteen year old
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Speaker 3: form criminal intent? He's arguing he can't, as a psychologist,
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Speaker 3: Can a thirteen year old realize what they're doing is wrong?
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Speaker 20: Yes, they can, James, And I think we've got these
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Speaker 20: laws in place that talk about capacity or incapacity for
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Speaker 20: particularly for miners and for children to make these choices.
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Speaker 20: But they're there and designed in order to protect children
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Speaker 20: that make a single mistake. And as you said, this
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Speaker 20: thirteen year old allegedly responsible for all these being let
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Speaker 20: out on bail over and over again. Hundreds of interactions
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Speaker 20: in a year with the police, plenty of opportunity to
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Speaker 20: learn there, and I think that Essentially, where we're at
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Speaker 20: in the criminal justice system, but also just schools and
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Speaker 20: in general life with kids is that the rights of
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Speaker 20: children are being weaponized to shield them from responsibility. And
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Speaker 20: you can't have rights as a child or an adult
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Speaker 20: without the flip side that is responsibility. So yes, as
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Speaker 20: a psychologist, I know that the adolescent brain is still developing,
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Speaker 20: but absolutely this goes beyond childish impulsivity of all of
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Speaker 20: these times of being learning exercises for a thirteen year old.
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Speaker 20: At some point we've got to put the public safety
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Speaker 20: above that. And yes, we can look at other therapeutic
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Speaker 20: interventions for this child and rehabilitation, but again, public safety
43:59
Speaker 20: has to come in to this and not just the
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Speaker 20: protection of children's rights.
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Speaker 3: So that's the next question. I want to ask you
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Speaker 3: that the kid's thirteen, so clearly he's gotten into some
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Speaker 3: terrible things. But on the other hand, he is thirteen.
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Speaker 3: Can a thirteen year old with that kind of history
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Speaker 3: be reformed or is he set for a life of crime?
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Speaker 3: And while we have to punish, how do we rehabilitate?
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Speaker 3: How do you put that together?
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Speaker 20: Yeah, well that's a huge question, and I think that absolutely,
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Speaker 20: you know, our system should be geared towards certainly any
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Speaker 20: minor or child of that age, and he is a child.
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Speaker 10: Not to give up on a child.
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Speaker 20: We can't possibly say that someone at thirteen years old
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Speaker 20: cannot turn their life around. There are many examples of
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Speaker 20: people doing that, whether they are involved in addictions or
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Speaker 20: criminal behavior, turning their life around and you know, actually
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Speaker 20: contributing to society in a very positive and healthy way.
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Speaker 10: So we should do that.
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Speaker 20: But it does take a lot, and it takes enormous
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Speaker 20: change from the child's environment. And when we are simply
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Speaker 20: putting kids back out onto the streets a lot of
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Speaker 20: the time, back into the so dysfunctional, violent households again
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Speaker 20: and again on bail, we will just keep getting what
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Speaker 20: we've already got, all right.
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Speaker 3: I want to ask you about the climate risk report
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Speaker 3: released by Chris Bowen this week, which claimed Brisbane would
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Speaker 3: be flooded most of the year and heat waves would
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Speaker 3: result in numerous deaths. The Australian Conservation Foundation immediately put
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Speaker 3: out a statement calling for action on climate change, and
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Speaker 3: they included this statement which I thought would interest you.
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Speaker 3: They said them by quote, children's mental and physical health
45:41
Speaker 3: is being affected already and those impacts are getting worse.
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Speaker 3: In addition to that, Monash University professors are now arguing
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Speaker 3: that climate change should be included in every university course
45:54
Speaker 3: because it's going to affect every part of life. So effectively,
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Speaker 3: we've now got from primary school right through to university
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Speaker 3: climate change scare everywhere. Are our kids really worried about
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Speaker 3: climate change? Or is this just another fearmongering tactic used
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Speaker 3: by activists.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, well, it's huge claims that they're making in this report,
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Speaker 20: and I think that deserves some decent level of scrutiny
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Speaker 20: and not just sympathy. Kids are absolutely worried about climate change.
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Speaker 20: I've seen it in my own clinic. I'm doing research
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Speaker 20: now with the IPA that is showing younger and younger
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Speaker 20: children are worried. But when I look at it, I think,
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Speaker 20: hang on, kids in capital cities are not faced with
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Speaker 20: increasing bushfires, floods, you know, the direct result.
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Speaker 10: Of climate change.
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Speaker 20: Where are they getting it from? And they're being taught
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Speaker 20: to be scared about climate change. They're being taught this
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Speaker 20: on a daily basis because it is mandated in the
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Speaker 20: school curriculum across every subject from five years old to
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Speaker 20: learn about climate change. So that's your music lessons, your
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Speaker 20: geography lessons, your sports lessons. It is absolutely woven in,
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Speaker 20: and I don't think parents actually are aware of how
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Speaker 20: insidious that is. And the ironic thing is is that
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Speaker 20: even if we go with this climate mandate we have
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Speaker 20: to reach net zero, we're not preparing kids at all
47:18
Speaker 20: to tackle these issues. They are so anxious they don't
47:21
Speaker 20: think that they're going to make it to adulthood. And
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Speaker 20: so in terms of the effect of the kid's mental health,
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Speaker 20: from what I've seen and in my research, I would
47:30
Speaker 20: absolutely argue that it's what they're being exposed to in
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Speaker 20: the classroom rather than the direct effects of climate change.
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Speaker 20: And the only other thing I thought, James, when I
47:41
Speaker 20: read this report was, you know, if a government really
47:44
Speaker 20: thought that, you know, in fifty years time, this report
47:47
Speaker 20: is saying we're pretty screwed. You know, as a human population,
47:51
Speaker 20: this looks pretty bad. We'd actually be channeling our conversations
47:55
Speaker 20: and billions of dollars into adaptations than chasing net zero,
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Speaker 20: because we know Australia won't have an effect on the
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Speaker 20: climate if we do that, and so that also just
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Speaker 20: seems to be completely missing. Is this mitigation and adaptation
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Speaker 20: conversation even if this is happening in the very near future.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right, Claire Row. Always enjoyed talking to you.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on the program. Well that's it from me,
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Speaker 3: stick around. Coming up in just a moment is Sherry Markson.
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Speaker 3: Good Night.