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Open House Concepts and Women's Suffrage · I Hate Talking

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  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 104 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:32
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
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  I Hate Talking: So like we alluded to last time in our previous episode, we already have a word or phrase of the episode and probably a topic as well, OK, pro and con.
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  I Hate Talking: All right, I really want to know about this because I always thought con was negative.
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  I Hate Talking: Like, what's the cons?
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  I Hate Talking: And then you say all the negative things.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, that's true when you use it in the phrase pro or con.
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  I Hate Talking: All right, so tell me how it is a different con than the one that we learned about last week.
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  I Hate Talking: Right, so the word last week was convivial, and that was the particular Latin or Greek root, which I'm now forgetting if it was Greek or Latin.
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  I Hate Talking: I guess Latin, right?
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  I Hate Talking: That means with.
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  I Hate Talking: I guess we'll have to validate that because if we've forgotten, certainly our listeners have forgotten.
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  I Hate Talking: All right, let's check.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes, Latin.
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  I Hate Talking: So con, when used with a variety of words means.
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  I Hate Talking: Together or with.
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  I Hate Talking: So there you go.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, so, but it's spelled the same, but it's a different word for a pro and con.
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  I Hate Talking: Right, because the word for pro or con, with con being sort of the negative aspect of a particular decision or something, is not simply the word con, but it comes from the word contra.
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  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK, like contradictory -- or -- contraband.
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  I Hate Talking: Hm.
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  I Hate Talking: Contraindicated.
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  I Hate Talking: So there you go.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes, so con by itself is with or together, but contra.
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  I Hate Talking: Means against or.
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  I Hate Talking: A negative particular thing, I guess we can define it exactly.
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  I Hate Talking: And I still have not had time to look at what happened to our favorite Oxford language dictionary.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I haven't looked it up.
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  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
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  I Hate Talking: I'll have to do that.
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  I Hate Talking: Our listeners have not either because I've not gotten any particular feedback from our listeners.
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  I Hate Talking: So if you have time to research that, you can let us know.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes, contra is a Latin term meaning against, opposite, or in contrast to.
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  I Hate Talking: There's a phrase supposedly that says, quote, contra the rules, against the rules, against the rules.
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  I Hate Talking: I've never heard contra the rules.
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  I Hate Talking: I've always, I've heard against the rules, like you play a card or something and you say, that's against the rules.
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  I Hate Talking: Right, I'm trying to think, it sounds familiar, so I'm trying to place it.
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  I Hate Talking: And then some of the common words with contra are the ones that we already said.
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  I Hate Talking: Contradict, contrary, contraindicate, contraband.
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  I Hate Talking: Also contrast.
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  I Hate Talking: Comes from the root word contra.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, I mean, that makes sense, but I definitely never thought of it that way.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes, so perhaps that's something that we can establish and our listeners can establish as well, is that when you're playing a board game or a card game and somebody quote unquote breaks the rules, you can say, That's contra, the rules.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, you can start it and see what people do.
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  I Hate Talking: I think people would do a double take, like, wait, what?
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  I Hate Talking: I be confused.
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  I Hate Talking: Perhaps so.
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  I Hate Talking: It is interesting that Contra is.
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  I Hate Talking: Against opposite and con is with -- or -- together.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think that's why last week I got confused because it just seems so different.
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  I Hate Talking: But if you said that's contra against the rules, it sounds like you.
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  I Hate Talking: Didn't finish the word.
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  I Hate Talking: Maybe it's just cause I'm so used to like contraindicated and yeah, all those other words, but contra sounds like.
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  I Hate Talking: A shorthand or like you.
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  I Hate Talking: Haven't finished the word.
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  I Hate Talking: Contradictory, contra, you know, like, it's always a bigger word.
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  I Hate Talking: That's true.
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  I Hate Talking: So for our particular phrase, pros and cons, it comes from the Latin phrase pro et contra.
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  I Hate Talking: Meaning literally for and against.
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  I Hate Talking: So, pro comes directly from Latin pro, meaning for on behalf of or in favor of, while con is a short for contra, meaning against opposite or in opposition.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: So there you go.
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  I Hate Talking: It probably would make more sense instead of saying, what are the pros and cons, you could say, what are the pro et contra.
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  I Hate Talking: Pro contra Why would that make more sense?
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  I Hate Talking: It just means You're going back to like the original phraseology.
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  I Hate Talking: And then you're avoiding any of the particular Things that we've encountered even in our discussions on whether K means with and together or Opposite and against.
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  I Hate Talking: So we could say, what are the pros and contra?
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  I Hate Talking: What are the pros and contras?
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  I Hate Talking: -- There -- you go.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I guess it's probably maybe it's just because we aren't used to it.
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  I Hate Talking: That just doesn't sound right.
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  I Hate Talking: Pros and cons.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I mean, English likes to shorten things.
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  I Hate Talking: So That is probably why.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's all the same letters, 3 letters for pro, 3 letters for con.
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  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
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  I Hate Talking: I think it sounds nice.
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  I Hate Talking: So do you like?
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  I Hate Talking: To make pros and cons lists.
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  I Hate Talking: I suppose I do like to make pros and cons list.
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  I Hate Talking: So, sometimes I find that the pros and cons list is that the pros.
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  I Hate Talking: are listed out and then the cons are just like the opposite of it.
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  I Hate Talking: So like a pro would be for moving, living next to the beach, and the con is Not living next to the beach.
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  I Hate Talking: That's like a very simplified example, but sometimes when I find myself making pros and cons lists, it's just.
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  I Hate Talking: I'll have a list of things and they all fit in.
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  I Hate Talking: The pro and con and then like the opposite side of the pro and con list is just The opposite of it.
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  I Hate Talking: It's not like distinctly different.
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  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
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  I Hate Talking: So like if you're doing.
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  I Hate Talking: Should I have dessert tonight?
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  I Hate Talking: You're like, pro, I like ice cream.
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  I Hate Talking: Con.
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  I Hate Talking: I wouldn't get ice cream.
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  I Hate Talking: Like that's what you would do.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, pretty much.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, so I think you've already made up your mind then.
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  I Hate Talking: I usually do make up my mind pretty quickly.
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  I Hate Talking: Get the ice cream, move to the beach, right?
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  I Hate Talking: If the answer, if the con is just the opposite, I won't do that, then.
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  I Hate Talking: Right.
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  I Hate Talking: Perhaps a better example would be like on the ice cream example, pro on.
• 7:44
  I Hate Talking: Skipping the ice cream, the pro would be like, be healthy, and the con would be like get fat.
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  I Hate Talking: But they're like so close that like they're the same, so.
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  I Hate Talking: I do make pros and cons lists, but sometimes I find it easier just to make a list.
• 7:59
  I Hate Talking: OK, I don't make pros and cons lists.
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  I Hate Talking: I I think maybe last time I did was in junior high.
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  I Hate Talking: In a different way, but similar to you, I think I already make up my mind often on those sort of things.
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  I Hate Talking: And so I don't need to think about the negative part of it.
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  I Hate Talking: I'm just like, do I like ice cream?
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  I Hate Talking: I do.
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  I Hate Talking: Do I like living by the beach?
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  I Hate Talking: I do.
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  I Hate Talking: But my, if I was gonna make it, if I was gonna make a list, it would be different than yours.
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  I Hate Talking: It'd be like for the movie, do I want to live by the beach?
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  I Hate Talking: I get to live by the beach, check.
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  I Hate Talking: And then my negative would be not living near friends.
• 8:38
  I Hate Talking: That's true, yes, see, that would be a true pro and con list then, or pro et contra.
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  I Hate Talking: Yes.
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  I Hate Talking: So what are the pros and cons of an open concept house?
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  I Hate Talking: Like structurally open concept.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, that actually is part of the conspiracy theory is that a pro for the building company is that they have to utilize far less materials and therefore can sell a house at the same quote unquote retail value while expending far less material costs.
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  I Hate Talking: Is it really less though, because they have to make sure the wall is structurally sound.
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  I Hate Talking: To bear all the weight, right?
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  I Hate Talking: Well, they have to do that anyway.
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  I Hate Talking: Right, but if they have pillars or walls, there are probably certain pillars and beams that have more structural integrity versus what they would perhaps use for When they are building walls that partition more of the downstairs or upstairs or whatever the case may be, but In terms of the overall costs, I'm sure there's.
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  I Hate Talking: Increased beams and pillars and things are far less than actually building a wall and other partitions between all the rooms.
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  I Hate Talking: So you think open concept is a scam that builders created and hired people like Chip and Joanna Gaines to market it.
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  I Hate Talking: So that they wouldn't have to build extra walls.
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  I Hate Talking: That's sort of like the friendly conspiracy theory.
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  I Hate Talking: That's like the nice one.
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  I Hate Talking: That's the, the positive outlook on why.
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  I Hate Talking: As like a secondary reason that open concept houses became so popular.
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  I Hate Talking: Like the quote unquote normal explanation is like, that is what people demanded and that is what people built, and therefore that is what they got, supply and demand, but The friendly conspiracy theory is that it was because builders wanted to save money, increase margins, and Basically create these and sell these and advertise these things as like a benefit to people, so that they would have to expend less cost to build the same house for retail price value.
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  I Hate Talking: And that's the friendly version, Correct?
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  I Hate Talking: OK, -- what's the unfriendly version -- then?
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  I Hate Talking: The unfriendly version is that there were powers that be that forced the open concept house upon the populace in order to tear down the fabric of societal norms because by decreasing the amount of privacy that one had.
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  I Hate Talking: That it creates more conflict and strife within the home because you have less areas that you can have privacy and then therefore everybody sees everything that everyone is doing.
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  I Hate Talking: And that there is also an aspect of the keeping up with the Joneses that if everybody is coming to visit your house, that in this open concept, you have to have everything neat and organized, and that could be very difficult to do if you are using the kitchen to prepare a meal or things of that nature for the guests that you're having, that you will have increased conflict and Anxiety about those particular things in an open concept house.
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  I Hate Talking: That's interesting because I feel like the opposite.
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  I Hate Talking: Like you're saying that you'd have more strife because you guys are together.
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  I Hate Talking: Like, but that's more pleasant to be together than everyone in separate rooms, cause then you're just apart.
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  I Hate Talking: Right, but perhaps there needs to be a time when you are apart, and then you can rejoin together in the common room when the time is appropriate.
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  I Hate Talking: Instead of being forced upon being together all the time in an open concept house, I suppose so.
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  I Hate Talking: I don't know of, at least in my life, how often I need to be apart.
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  I Hate Talking: I guess I just, I'm not like super private or secretive or anything.
• 12:51
  I Hate Talking: Says the person that bought a chair specifically so you can sit in a different room.
• 12:55
  I Hate Talking: No, -- I had to do that to get away around your -- rules of eating on the carpet.
• 13:02
  I Hate Talking: So, so in our new home, we made the roll, we got a new couch and we have carpet, uh, like most white carpet in the living room.
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  I Hate Talking: So we made the rule, no food or drinks in the living room on the couch or on the carpet.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, our living room opens up into this area that likes where we do our arts and crafts and the kids have their school stuff in there, but you can also see the TV from it.
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  I Hate Talking: So I bought myself like a lounge chair.
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  I Hate Talking: It's like the perfect size to curl up in my feet fit perfectly tucked into it.
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  I Hate Talking: And I can sit there and so it's a loophole, cause it's not carpet, it's my chair, so it's not the fancy big couch, and so I can have my coffee.
• 13:51
  I Hate Talking: In the morning and just sit there and still watch TV or still participate with the family, but I'm on the hardwood and not the carpet.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
• 14:02
  I Hate Talking: I like my loophole.
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  I Hate Talking: Indeed.
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  I Hate Talking: So it's not because of the open concept house thing and having your own private sitting area.
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  I Hate Talking: It's just so that you can still participate and have your snacks and coffee.
• 14:17
  I Hate Talking: It's, yeah, I think it's the best of both worlds.
• 14:19
  I Hate Talking: If we didn't make the rule and Uh, if we didn't care about the white carpet or the new couch.
• 14:28
  I Hate Talking: I probably wouldn't have bought in the chair because then I would have just had my coffee on the couch.
• 14:33
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
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  I Hate Talking: So there you go.
• 14:36
  I Hate Talking: Do you not like that I have my own sitting area now?
• 14:39
  I Hate Talking: I heard you earlier telling the kids, Where's your mom?
• 14:42
  I Hate Talking: I'm like, I'm right here, because from your angle you couldn't see me.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, what is behind the wall when you're sitting in one of the couches, so.
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  I Hate Talking: Cannot see that particular sitting area from all vantage points.
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  I Hate Talking: So, but I could hear you the whole time.
• 14:57
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
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  I Hate Talking: So I was able to be like, I'm right here.
• 14:59
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
• 14:59
  I Hate Talking: That's another conspiracy theory about the open concept house that's probably more modernized that I don't think I particularly align with because open concept houses were popular before the advent of surveillance technology, but the fact that you can have one Alexa and it basically can hear all the things happening in your open concept house.
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  I Hate Talking: In the first floor, that that is the reason that open concept houses were invented.
• 15:30
  I Hate Talking: So now you're getting into like fringy stuff with like time travel and like, yes, that this was preprogrammed decades in advance and things like that.
• 15:38
  I Hate Talking: So I do not particularly subscribe to that one, but that is something that people have said in the conspiracy realm.
• 15:44
  I Hate Talking: Mm, yeah, that one sounds low.
• 15:47
  I Hate Talking: When you start talking about time traveling, like they knew, they wanted to, that you'd only have one Alexa in your house.
• 15:56
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that sounds a little wonky.
• 15:59
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 16:00
  I Hate Talking: If I was going to subscribe to a time traveling conspiracy theory, it would be the one where AI invented Bitcoin.
• 16:08
  I Hate Talking: And created Bitcoin so that it would make people have the need to increase their computing power for mining Bitcoin, so that it can have the basis of the AGI in the future.
• 16:26
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 16:27
  I Hate Talking: All right, let's talk about that later.
• 16:29
  I Hate Talking: Let's do an episode about conspiracy theories later.
• 16:33
  I Hate Talking: You can come up with your best couple and I'll come up with my favorite ones.
• 16:37
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 16:37
  I Hate Talking: Well, that's something that people do, right?
• 16:39
  I Hate Talking: They have their conspiracy theory parties and bring their favorite ones and have PowerPoint presentations and stuff.
• 16:44
  I Hate Talking: I wanna do it so bad.
• 16:47
  I Hate Talking: I, uh, sent it to my brother.
• 16:50
  I Hate Talking: I was like, man, I wanna do this.
• 16:52
  I Hate Talking: And uh we don't live near each other, so I don't know when we do it, but with summer vacation coming up.
• 16:58
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, we're gonna see him this summer, so make everybody come up with their own conspiracy theories on vacation.
• 17:06
  I Hate Talking: Well, yeah, I guess so you have to have preplanning, I suppose, so that you have well documented proof of.
• 17:13
  I Hate Talking: The existence of said conspiracy theories.
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  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I saw, uh, I got the idea though, and I showed it to you because I saw some people doing it on social media, and they, yeah, went all out.
• 17:24
  I Hate Talking: PowerPoints, they had like food that was appropriate.
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  I Hate Talking: Some people have like hats that they passed out.
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  I Hate Talking: To convince people to persuade them of their side.
• 17:35
  I Hate Talking: Ah, it's so fun.
• 17:36
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 17:38
  I Hate Talking: I feel like uh we're still too new here that if I invited the few people that we become friends with to a conspiracy theory party, I think we'd be weird.
• 17:48
  I Hate Talking: Like, -- we might -- or they'd be like, finally, somebody is gonna be friends with us that are already conspiracy theorists.
• 17:56
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I guess that's true.
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  I Hate Talking: If they were like, yes, these are our people, then we made it.
• 18:01
  I Hate Talking: That's no questions asked.
• 18:03
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 18:05
  I Hate Talking: There may be a few out there.
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  I Hate Talking: We'll see So, on this particular conspiracy theory, I would potentially align to the fact that builders maybe had a little bit of an inside track in trying to push the open concept.
• 18:21
  I Hate Talking: Houses in previous decades to reduce costs.
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  I Hate Talking: In fact, in terms of the social fabric of the family and things, probably not so much, maybe a little bit on the kitchen side of things, like the fact that the kitchen is adjacent and open to the rest of the living space is just a little bit odd, especially since, like, that was not a thing ever in history.
• 18:44
  I Hate Talking: Like, you would have your kitchen separate from your dining area.
• 18:49
  I Hate Talking: And your drawing room and so on and so forth.
• 18:54
  I Hate Talking: So much so that sometimes in the previous centuries, you would have a separate building altogether for cooking and conducting all your kitchen activities.
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  I Hate Talking: Do you know why I always thought The open concept became a thing was because of the opposite of what you just said, because I think women nowadays, like back in the day, they stayed home and they cooked, and that was like their job, right?
• 19:20
  I Hate Talking: Or the servants cooked, and they weren't supposed to mingle with owners.
• 19:27
  I Hate Talking: And then women got more freedom, and they got more independence and uh wanted to be part more.
• 19:36
  I Hate Talking: Of a peer in the family with this husband and just like cooking and serving them.
• 19:43
  I Hate Talking: So I think they didn't want to stay ostracized in the kitchen by themselves.
• 19:48
  I Hate Talking: I think that's why I've always thought, at least that's why the open concept kind of became more of a thing, is instead of being left alone to work, they were able to still be with the group.
• 20:00
  I Hate Talking: And part of the.
• 20:02
  I Hate Talking: You know, and then everyone can help out or at least if they're working by themselves, at least they're still part of the whole, not separate by themselves.
• 20:13
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 20:14
  I Hate Talking: So, open concept houses are a direct output of women's suffrage movements.
• 20:20
  I Hate Talking: That's what you're saying.
• 20:21
  I Hate Talking: That's exactly what I'm saying.
• 20:23
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so, but that would have happened at least.
• 20:27
  I Hate Talking: Two or three generations after some of the movements with women's rights and voting and things like that.
• 20:34
  I Hate Talking: 1920, I think is when.
• 20:36
  I Hate Talking: 1920 is when women, women got the right to vote.
• 20:39
  I Hate Talking: Yes, it was around then, 1929 sticks in my mind, but maybe thinking of something else with perhaps some Women's rights movements, marches and things like that.
• 20:51
  I Hate Talking: In previous localities, yes, so I suppose you're right, 1920 was when the 19th Amendment was ratified.
• 20:58
  I Hate Talking: So there you go.
• 20:59
  I Hate Talking: I don't know why 1929 sticks in my mind, but Perhaps 1929 was like everybody else followed suit, Canada.
• 21:09
  I Hate Talking: Ecuador, United Kingdom, Puerto Rico, there's like a lot of stuff that happened in 1929.
• 21:15
  I Hate Talking: I don't think that's why I'm thinking that, but.
• 21:17
  I Hate Talking: It was probably related to some financial crisis cause I get our kids' birthdays messed up with various financial crises of the past years.
• 21:28
  I Hate Talking: Yes, some of our kids, I don't know if y'all ever know their birthdays, but I was looking it up and they were saying that for open concept, some people accredit it, I guess it started becoming a thing in 1950, so it's only a 30 years after.
• 21:47
  I Hate Talking: You know, the beginning, woman's suffrage.
• 21:51
  I Hate Talking: Uh, I guess some people accredit uh Frank Lloyd Wright.
• 21:56
  I Hate Talking: The architect with his uh open concept.
• 22:01
  I Hate Talking: I see, yes.
• 22:02
  I Hate Talking: And that was like -- what's -- his famous house Falling Waters or whatever.
• 22:05
  I Hate Talking: That was like his famous house, right?
• 22:09
  I Hate Talking: -- Frank Lloyd -- Wright.
• 22:10
  I Hate Talking: I know Frank Lloyd Wright because my one of my favorite YouTubers.
• 22:16
  I Hate Talking: Stayed at one of his Airbnbs and uh Ryan Trahan, I'm, the kids like him and I actually enjoy watching him a lot.
• 22:26
  I Hate Talking: And him and his wife are into the architecture.
• 22:31
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 22:32
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, one of his most recent videos was like, laugh out loud, funny.
• 22:36
  I Hate Talking: For an adult, so, and it's appropriate for kids too.
• 22:40
  I Hate Talking: I tell, I tell lots of people to watch him.
• 22:43
  I Hate Talking: Y'all should watch him if you're looking for a family friendly.
• 22:46
  I Hate Talking: So, it's a very wholesome and yeah, I think he's humorous.
• 22:52
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 22:53
  I Hate Talking: His train trip across America was laugh out loud funny.
• 22:56
  I Hate Talking: Falling Water is the famous house designed by architect Frank Lloyd Wright, built over a waterfall in Mill Run, Pennsylvania.
• 23:05
  I Hate Talking: I don't recall when I visited there it being very open concept.
• 23:09
  I Hate Talking: You went to his house, yeah, I falling water.
• 23:13
  I Hate Talking: It's like a museum now.
• 23:15
  I Hate Talking: It's like a historical monument.
• 23:17
  I Hate Talking: I mean, there's certain were like large open rooms and everything, but it also had like separate rooms with like A library and.
• 23:28
  I Hate Talking: Sitting room and things like that.
• 23:30
  I Hate Talking: But I guess when you search it, and I don't really remember seeing this, but there is like the grand room.
• 23:38
  I Hate Talking: It is an open space in the main house that has no load bearing walls.
• 23:42
  I Hate Talking: So, there you go.
• 23:43
  I Hate Talking: See, I wouldn't even really think of that as a room that you would have as like a family room.
• 23:48
  I Hate Talking: I would see it more as a design for a party space, per se.
• 23:53
  I Hate Talking: I think that's part of, right, when you have a house nowadays, most people, and you have people over, it is like for a party space, right?
• 24:02
  I Hate Talking: Like, When you have smaller rooms, you have to either invite fewer people or people are spread out.
• 24:11
  I Hate Talking: In different rooms and can't all interact.
• 24:15
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 24:16
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 24:18
  I Hate Talking: So you have to have your house as a party house is what you're saying.
• 24:21
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think I said last week I want my house to be a party house.
• 24:24
  I Hate Talking: That's the open house, so I guess you need an open house concept to have an open house party house.
• 24:30
  I Hate Talking: Maybe.
• 24:32
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go, but I do understand what you're saying about, uh, the con of it being keeping everything clean.
• 24:40
  I Hate Talking: Because it is hard when it's one big room, or mostly where everywhere you look, you have stuff and you're living there.
• 24:49
  I Hate Talking: So you can't just have a room where you shove things in your messy area.
• 24:54
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 24:55
  I Hate Talking: Or you have a messy area, but it's not an open concept, right?
• 24:58
  I Hate Talking: I guess so.
• 24:59
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
• 25:00
  I Hate Talking: So that's the key to avoiding any particular disadvantages with the open concept house is that you still have to have some room that is closed.
• 25:10
  I Hate Talking: Some junk room, huh?
• 25:12
  I Hate Talking: Junk drawer, junk room, yes.
• 25:15
  I Hate Talking: -- Sounds -- good.
• 25:16
  I Hate Talking: Well there you go.
• 25:17
  I Hate Talking: So those are perhaps some of the pros and cons of open concept houses and perhaps some of the related conspiracy theories or even unrelated conspiracy theories.
• 25:27
  I Hate Talking: So you, our listener can let us know if you enjoy open concept houses or not or if you feel that they have particular pros and cons.
• 25:35
  I Hate Talking: Because according to some surveys, 49% of Americans do not like open concept houses as of recent years.
• 25:43
  I Hate Talking: Oh wow.
• 25:44
  I Hate Talking: Hmm.
• 25:45
  I Hate Talking: So, still the majority like them, but not by much.
• 25:49
  I Hate Talking: No, well, that's just hard cause everyone took down if they didn't have an open concept house, many people took down their walls to have an open concept house.
• 25:59
  I Hate Talking: Now, how are you gonna do, what are you gonna do selling those homes?
• 26:02
  I Hate Talking: You start building walls back.
• 26:04
  I Hate Talking: They might, I suppose you might have to.
• 26:08
  I Hate Talking: So if you did enjoy this episode, you can always like, share, subscribe, and it's helpful even if you just share it with one other person, and maybe that person does not like open concepts, and they will enjoy this episode.
• 26:21
  I Hate Talking: Or they like open concepts and they'll have some insight about what perhaps drove that and they're just at the mercy of the builders and the powers that be.
• 26:31
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, or if you don't have an opinion one way or another, but you like women's lib and you want women to have the right to vote and be part of the family, not just cooking.
• 26:43
  I Hate Talking: And be pro open concept.
• 26:47
  I Hate Talking: And don't share it with any crack people.
• 26:50
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 26:51
  I Hate Talking: Well, they don't want women to vote.
• 26:53
  I Hate Talking: Like that's legitimately their position.
• 26:55
  I Hate Talking: All right, we'll talk about that another time.
• 26:57
  I Hate Talking: Well, we have many topics ahead of us, I suppose.
• 27:00
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I hate talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.