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Navigating the Complexities of Performance · Music Explored Podcast

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  Back
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  and
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  then
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  like
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  you
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  know,
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  happen
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  all
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  the
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  time
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  four
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  or
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  something.
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  Whenever
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  they
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  thought
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  they.
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  It
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  used
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  to.
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  Well
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  maybe.
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  But
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  these
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  guys
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  didn't
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  show
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  their
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  face.
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  They
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  just
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  played
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  the
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  music.
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  So
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  you
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  know
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  they.
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  They
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  couldn't
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  even
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  have
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  to
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  get
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  like
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  a
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  fake
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  impersonator
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  or
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  something
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  like
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  that.
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  And
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  so
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  but
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  with
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  the
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  shows
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  like
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  it
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  would
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  still
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  not
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  even
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  be
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  as.
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  You
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  know,
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  just
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  lack
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  of
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  effort.
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  So
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  people
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  would
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  get
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  mad
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  and
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  they
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  would
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  steal
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  their
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  turntables
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  and
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  the
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  speakers
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  and
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  the
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  monitors.
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  Like
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  it's
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  a
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  famous
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  thing
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  that
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  used
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  to
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  always
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  at
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  the
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  concert
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  hall.
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  It
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  was
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  tough
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  doing
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  shows
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  in
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  Toronto.
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  And
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  then
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  if
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  you're
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  a
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  Toronto
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  artist,
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  you're
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  extra
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  grind
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  because
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  they're
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  like,
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  you
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  know,
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  like
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  we
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  like
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  that
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  guy.
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  What's
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  gonna
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  make
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  us
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  like
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  you.
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  And
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  that's
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  what's
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  the
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  school
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  face
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  cats.
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  People
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  would
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  pay
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  $10
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  to
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  come
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  into
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  your
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  party
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  to
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  stand
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  there
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  and
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  screw
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  face
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  you.
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  Yeah.
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  They
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  buy
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  the
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  ticket
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  to
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  come
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  to
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  your
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  show
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  and
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  just
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  sit
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  there
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  and.
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  Be
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  like
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  such
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  a
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  weird
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  mindset.
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  And
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  it
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  was
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  like.
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  Yeah,
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  but
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  it
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  was
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  like
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  that
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  chaos
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  called
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  it
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  crabs
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  in
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  a
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  bucket.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  so
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  it
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  wasn't
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  where
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  my
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  said
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  like
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  it's
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  not
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  so
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  much
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  anymore.
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  But
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  back
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  then
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  cuz
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  everybody
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  was
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  trying
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  to
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  get
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  on
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  and
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  if
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  you
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  had
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  of
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  shine
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  they're
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  like
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  well
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  why
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  is
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  he
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  shining?
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  He's
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  not
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  that
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  good.
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  You
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  know
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  what
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  I
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  think
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  stopped
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  it
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  comment
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  sections
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  now
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  that
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  people
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  can
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  just
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  comment
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  on
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  videos
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  and
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  say
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  whatever
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  they
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  want.
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  They
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  don't
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  have
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  to
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  pay
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  $10
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  to
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  go
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  to
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  the
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  show
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  anymore.
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  Oh,
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  I
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  think
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  that's
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  what
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  happened.
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  Yeah.
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  They
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  just
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  become.
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  They
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  just
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  get.
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  Yep.
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  And
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  then
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  they
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  just
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  hate
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  online
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  in
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  the,
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  in
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  the,
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  in
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  the
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  chat
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  rooms
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  they'd
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  be
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  like
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  I
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  saw
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  them.
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  Yeah.
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  Wasn't
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  that
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  exactly
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  differently.
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  episode
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  of
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  the
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  DNA
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  produced
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  at
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  the
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  Thanks
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  just
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  hip
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  hop
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  in
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  There's
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  this
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  I
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  don't
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  even
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  know
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  what
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  we
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  call
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  it
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  but
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  where
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  authenticity
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  in
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  your
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  rhymes
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  are
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  so
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  important.
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  Especially
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  when
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  you
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  were
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  kind
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  of
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  coming
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  up
• 2:07
  maybe
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  even
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  before
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  that,
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  but
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  during
• 2:09
  like
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  the
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  Wu
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  Tang
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  era
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  like
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  you
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  were
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  mentioning
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  before
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  and
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  later
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  was
• 2:14
  this
• 2:14
  weird
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• 2:15
  you
• 2:15
  could
• 2:15
  rap
• 2:15
  nice,
• 2:16
  but
• 2:16
  if
• 2:16
  you
• 2:16
  didn't
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  back
• 2:17
  it
• 2:17
  up
• 2:17
  in
• 2:17
  real
• 2:18
  life,
• 2:18
  you
• 2:19
  were
• 2:19
  kind
• 2:19
  of
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  seen
• 2:19
  a
• 2:20
  certain
• 2:20
  way.
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  Why
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  do
• 2:21
  you
• 2:21
  think
• 2:21
  that
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  is
• 2:22
  in
• 2:22
  hip
• 2:22
  hop
• 2:22
  where
• 2:23
  in
• 2:23
  country
• 2:24
  I
• 2:24
  can
• 2:24
  rap
• 2:25
  about
• 2:25
  drinking
• 2:25
  and
• 2:26
  shooting
• 2:26
  my
• 2:26
  wife.
• 2:26
  And
• 2:26
  nobody
• 2:27
  looks
• 2:27
  at
• 2:27
  that
• 2:27
  man
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  any
• 2:28
  differently
• 2:29
  in
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  the
• 2:29
  real
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  world.
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  But
• 2:30
  our
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  lyrics
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  need
• 2:31
  to
• 2:31
  be
• 2:31
  authentic
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  to
• 2:32
  our
• 2:32
  real
• 2:33
  life.
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  Why
• 2:33
  do
• 2:33
  you
• 2:33
  think
• 2:34
  that
• 2:34
  is
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  or
• 2:35
  was
• 2:35
  the
• 2:35
  case
• 2:36
  growing
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  up?
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  I
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  think
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  because
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  it
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  was
• 2:40
  the
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  music,
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  it
• 2:41
  came
• 2:41
  out
• 2:41
  from
• 2:41
  such
• 2:42
  a,
• 2:42
  from
• 2:42
  such
• 2:43
  a
• 2:43
  personal
• 2:43
  place.
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  Right.
• 2:44
  Like
• 2:44
  it
• 2:44
  was
• 2:44
  people's
• 2:45
  self
• 2:45
  poetry,
• 2:46
  talking
• 2:46
  about
• 2:46
  what
• 2:47
  they're
• 2:47
  going
• 2:47
  through
• 2:47
  and
• 2:47
  what's
• 2:48
  been
• 2:48
  going
• 2:49
  on
• 2:49
  in
• 2:49
  their
• 2:49
  experience
• 2:50
  and
• 2:50
  how
• 2:50
  they
• 2:50
  see
• 2:50
  the
• 2:50
  world.
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  True,
• 2:51
  true.
• 2:52
  And
• 2:52
  so,
• 2:53
  you
• 2:53
  know,
• 2:53
  if
• 2:53
  you
• 2:53
  have
• 2:54
  like
• 2:55
  public
• 2:55
  enemies
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  saying,
• 2:57
  you
• 2:57
  know,
• 2:57
  like,
• 2:58
  you
• 2:58
  know,
• 2:58
  doing
• 2:58
  this
• 2:59
  and
• 2:59
  that
• 2:59
  would
• 2:59
  fight
• 2:59
  the
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  power
• 3:00
  and
• 3:00
  it
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  takes
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  the
• 3:00
  nations
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  of
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  millions
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  to
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  back
• 3:02
  and
• 3:03
  then
• 3:03
  all
• 3:03
  of
• 3:03
  a
• 3:03
  sudden,
• 3:04
  you
• 3:04
  know.
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  Right,
• 3:05
  right.
• 3:06
  You
• 3:06
  know,
• 3:06
  like
• 3:06
  that
• 3:06
  was
• 3:06
  a
• 3:07
  full
• 3:07
  on
• 3:07
  movement.
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  Remember,
• 3:08
  there
• 3:08
  was
• 3:08
  for
• 3:09
  sure
• 3:09
  when
• 3:09
  people,
• 3:10
  they
• 3:10
  didn't
• 3:10
  work,
• 3:11
  they
• 3:11
  didn't
• 3:11
  wear
• 3:11
  gold
• 3:11
  chains.
• 3:12
  Everybody.
• 3:12
  Well,
• 3:12
  they
• 3:13
  still
• 3:13
  wore
• 3:13
  gold
• 3:13
  chains.
• 3:13
  But
• 3:14
  the
• 3:14
  movement
• 3:14
  was
• 3:15
  African
• 3:17
  unity
• 3:17
  and
• 3:17
  uplifting.
• 3:18
  People
• 3:19
  listen
• 3:19
  to
• 3:19
  it.
• 3:20
  But
• 3:20
  then
• 3:20
  it
• 3:20
  changed
• 3:20
  and
• 3:21
  it
• 3:21
  went
• 3:21
  to,
• 3:21
  I'm
• 3:22
  a
• 3:22
  shoot
• 3:22
  you,
• 3:22
  I'm
• 3:23
  a
• 3:23
  thug
• 3:23
  and
• 3:23
  I'm
• 3:23
  going
• 3:23
  to
• 3:23
  show
• 3:24
  you
• 3:24
  how
• 3:24
  real
• 3:24
  I
• 3:24
  am
• 3:25
  when
• 3:25
  I
• 3:25
  see
• 3:25
  you
• 3:25
  in
• 3:26
  the
• 3:26
  streets.
• 3:27
  Well,
• 3:28
  kind
• 3:29
  of,
• 3:29
  that
• 3:30
  was
• 3:30
  always
• 3:30
  kind
• 3:30
  of
• 3:31
  there.
• 3:31
  Right.
• 3:31
  You
• 3:31
  know,
• 3:31
  you
• 3:32
  still
• 3:32
  had
• 3:32
  just
• 3:32
  Ice
• 3:33
  back
• 3:33
  in
• 3:34
  the
• 3:34
  day
• 3:34
  and
• 3:34
  even
• 3:34
  Keras
• 3:37
  Public
• 3:38
  Enemy
• 3:38
  had
• 3:38
  a
• 3:38
  song
• 3:38
  called
• 3:39
  My
• 3:39
  Uzi
• 3:39
  Weighs
• 3:39
  a
• 3:39
  Ton.
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  Like,
• 3:40
  although
• 3:40
  it
• 3:41
  was
• 3:41
  a
• 3:41
  political.
• 3:41
  Yeah,
• 3:41
  that
• 3:41
  was.
• 3:42
  But
• 3:42
  still,
• 3:42
  like,
• 3:42
  you
• 3:43
  know,
• 3:43
  there
• 3:43
  was
• 3:43
  still
• 3:43
  stuff
• 3:43
  going
• 3:43
  on.
• 3:44
  But
• 3:44
  then
• 3:44
  I
• 3:44
  think
• 3:45
  after
• 3:45
  it
• 3:45
  got
• 3:46
  real
• 3:46
  hard
• 3:46
  with
• 3:46
  the
• 3:47
  Public
• 3:47
  Enemies
• 3:47
  and
• 3:48
  then
• 3:48
  you
• 3:48
  had
• 3:48
  the
• 3:48
  end
• 3:49
  of
• 3:49
  the
• 3:49
  ways
• 3:49
  and
• 3:50
  then
• 3:50
  the
• 3:51
  Onyxes
• 3:51
  and
• 3:52
  everything,
• 3:52
  you
• 3:53
  know,
• 3:53
  like
• 3:53
  people
• 3:54
  for
• 3:55
  people.
• 3:55
  It
• 3:55
  wasn't
• 3:56
  as,
• 3:57
  you
• 3:57
  know,
• 3:59
  Teddy
• 4:00
  Riley
• 4:00
  and
• 4:01
  Guy
• 4:01
  as
• 4:01
  much
• 4:02
  as
• 4:02
  it
• 4:02
  was
• 4:02
  Onyx
• 4:03
  and
• 4:03
  Black
• 4:03
  Moon,
• 4:04
  you
• 4:04
  know,
• 4:04
  for
• 4:04
  most
• 4:05
  people,
• 4:05
  you
• 4:05
  know,
• 4:05
  and
• 4:06
  that
• 4:06
  was
• 4:06
  the
• 4:06
  type
• 4:06
  of
• 4:06
  style
• 4:07
  that,
• 4:07
  that
• 4:07
  people
• 4:08
  got
• 4:08
  into.
• 4:08
  But
• 4:09
  then
• 4:09
  if
• 4:09
  you're
• 4:10
  telling
• 4:10
  a
• 4:10
  story,
• 4:10
  it
• 4:10
  depends.
• 4:11
  You
• 4:11
  can
• 4:11
  tell
• 4:11
  a
• 4:12
  story
• 4:12
  or
• 4:12
  you
• 4:12
  can
• 4:12
  say
• 4:13
  you
• 4:13
  could
• 4:13
  be
• 4:13
  in.
• 4:13
  Right.
• 4:14
  I
• 4:14
  think
• 4:14
  one
• 4:14
  of
• 4:15
  the
• 4:15
  greatest
• 4:15
  things
• 4:15
  about
• 4:15
  Nas
• 4:16
  is
• 4:16
  Nas
• 4:16
  was
• 4:16
  like
• 4:17
  a
• 4:17
  great,
• 4:17
  He's
• 4:17
  a
• 4:17
  great
• 4:18
  storyteller.
• 4:18
  He.
• 4:19
  He's
• 4:19
  like
• 4:19
  the
• 4:19
  guy
• 4:19
  looking
• 4:20
  out
• 4:20
  of
• 4:20
  his
• 4:20
  window
• 4:21
  telling
• 4:21
  you
• 4:21
  what's
• 4:21
  going
• 4:21
  on.
• 4:22
  Yeah.
• 4:23
  Where
• 4:23
  other
• 4:23
  people
• 4:24
  put
• 4:25
  themselves
• 4:25
  in
• 4:25
  the
• 4:26
  situation
• 4:26
  that
• 4:26
  Nas
• 4:27
  is
• 4:27
  watching.
• 4:28
  And
• 4:28
  so
• 4:28
  if
• 4:28
  you
• 4:29
  go
• 4:29
  and
• 4:29
  claim
• 4:29
  that
• 4:29
  guy,
• 4:30
  there's
• 4:30
  always
• 4:30
  going
• 4:30
  to
• 4:30
  be
• 4:31
  somebody
• 4:31
  that's
• 4:31
  going
• 4:31
  to
• 4:31
  want
• 4:31
  to
• 4:32
  try
• 4:32
  and
• 4:32
  test
• 4:32
  you
• 4:32
  for
• 4:32
  anything.
• 4:33
  If
• 4:33
  you're
• 4:33
  a
• 4:33
  Great
• 4:33
  tennis
• 4:34
  player.
• 4:34
  Someone's
• 4:34
  going
• 4:35
  to
• 4:35
  come
• 4:35
  for
• 4:35
  the
• 4:35
  title.
• 4:35
  True.
• 4:36
  If
• 4:36
  you're
• 4:37
  best
• 4:37
  rapper,
• 4:38
  someone's
• 4:38
  going
• 4:38
  to
• 4:38
  come
• 4:39
  for
• 4:39
  the
• 4:39
  title.
• 4:39
  A
• 4:39
  hockey
• 4:39
  player.
• 4:40
  Someone
• 4:40
  wants
• 4:40
  the
• 4:41
  mvp.
• 4:41
  Yeah.
• 4:42
  So
• 4:42
  if
• 4:42
  you're
• 4:42
  the
• 4:43
  baddest
• 4:43
  gangster
• 4:43
  on
• 4:44
  the
• 4:44
  street
• 4:44
  and
• 4:44
  you
• 4:44
  put
• 4:44
  it
• 4:44
  out
• 4:45
  there
• 4:45
  and
• 4:45
  rap
• 4:46
  well,
• 4:46
  then
• 4:46
  the
• 4:46
  gangster
• 4:47
  is
• 4:47
  going
• 4:47
  to
• 4:47
  be
• 4:47
  like,
• 4:47
  you
• 4:47
  know,
• 4:47
  gangsters
• 4:48
  don't
• 4:48
  rap,
• 4:48
  right,
• 4:49
  Whatever.
• 4:50
  And
• 4:50
  then
• 4:50
  you
• 4:51
  just
• 4:51
  put
• 4:51
  yourself
• 4:51
  out
• 4:52
  there.
• 4:52
  So
• 4:52
  that's
• 4:52
  why
• 4:53
  I
• 4:53
  think
• 4:53
  it's
• 4:53
  more,
• 4:54
  you
• 4:54
  know,
• 4:55
  it's
• 4:55
  more
• 4:56
  important
• 4:56
  to
• 4:56
  be
• 4:56
  like,
• 4:57
  standing
• 4:57
  by
• 4:57
  your
• 4:57
  words,
• 4:58
  like,
• 4:58
  I
• 4:58
  get
• 4:58
  entertainment
• 4:59
  and
• 4:59
  this
• 4:59
  and
• 4:59
  that
• 4:59
  and
• 5:00
  that.
• 5:00
  But
• 5:00
  if
• 5:00
  it's,
• 5:00
  you
• 5:01
  know,
• 5:01
  like,
• 5:01
  you
• 5:01
  could
• 5:01
  tell
• 5:02
  when
• 5:02
  someone's
• 5:02
  like
• 5:02
  saying,
• 5:03
  this
• 5:03
  is
• 5:03
  me,
• 5:03
  and
• 5:03
  then
• 5:04
  when
• 5:04
  they're
• 5:04
  saying,
• 5:04
  you
• 5:04
  know,
• 5:05
  they're
• 5:05
  just
• 5:05
  making
• 5:05
  a
• 5:05
  song
• 5:06
  to
• 5:06
  say
• 5:06
  whatever
• 5:06
  they're
• 5:07
  to.
• 5:07
  Trying.
• 5:07
  Trying
• 5:07
  to
• 5:07
  say.
• 5:07
  And
• 5:09
  I,
• 5:09
  I
• 5:10
  think
• 5:10
  it's
• 5:10
  important
• 5:10
  because
• 5:11
  people
• 5:12
  live
• 5:12
  and
• 5:12
  die
• 5:13
  off
• 5:13
  of,
• 5:13
  you
• 5:13
  know,
• 5:13
  some
• 5:14
  people
• 5:14
  of
• 5:14
  what
• 5:14
  they
• 5:15
  say.
• 5:15
  Like,
• 5:15
  you
• 5:15
  know,
• 5:15
  there's
• 5:16
  people
• 5:16
  who
• 5:16
  will
• 5:16
  live
• 5:16
  and
• 5:17
  die
• 5:17
  off
• 5:17
  every
• 5:17
  word,
• 5:19
  you
• 5:19
  know,
• 5:19
  like,
• 5:19
  you
• 5:20
  know,
• 5:20
  they
• 5:20
  live
• 5:20
  that
• 5:21
  life.
• 5:21
  And
• 5:21
  I
• 5:22
  think
• 5:22
  it's
• 5:22
  important
• 5:22
  to
• 5:22
  be
• 5:23
  the
• 5:23
  person
• 5:23
  that
• 5:23
  you
• 5:23
  say
• 5:23
  that
• 5:24
  you
• 5:24
  are.
• 5:24
  So
• 5:24
  that
• 5:24
  way
• 5:25
  your
• 5:25
  fans
• 5:25
  know
• 5:26
  who
• 5:26
  you
• 5:26
  are
• 5:26
  and
• 5:26
  they
• 5:26
  follow
• 5:27
  you
• 5:27
  for
• 5:27
  your
• 5:27
  authenticity.
• 5:29
  Speaking
• 5:29
  of
• 5:29
  fans,
• 5:33
  I'm
• 5:33
  sure
• 5:33
  before
• 5:34
  the
• 5:34
  Internet
• 5:34
  was
• 5:35
  as
• 5:35
  accessible,
• 5:36
  you
• 5:36
  used
• 5:36
  to
• 5:36
  get
• 5:37
  fan
• 5:37
  mail
• 5:37
  and
• 5:37
  people
• 5:37
  used
• 5:38
  to
• 5:38
  probably
• 5:38
  mail
• 5:38
  you.
• 5:39
  Do
• 5:39
  you
• 5:39
  have
• 5:39
  any
• 5:39
  fun
• 5:39
  stories
• 5:40
  about
• 5:40
  that?
• 5:44
  Yeah,
• 5:44
  I
• 5:44
  remember.
• 5:46
  So
• 5:47
  I
• 5:47
  started
• 5:47
  getting
• 5:47
  fan
• 5:47
  mail.
• 5:48
  I
• 5:48
  used
• 5:48
  to
• 5:48
  go
• 5:48
  to
• 5:49
  the
• 5:49
  record
• 5:49
  company,
• 5:50
  Virgin,
• 5:50
  and
• 5:51
  then
• 5:51
  I
• 5:51
  would
• 5:51
  go
• 5:52
  in,
• 5:52
  because
• 5:52
  sometimes
• 5:53
  out
• 5:53
  before
• 5:53
  we
• 5:54
  would
• 5:54
  do
• 5:54
  this,
• 5:54
  like
• 5:54
  with
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  video
• 5:55
  chat,
• 5:55
  I'd
• 5:56
  go
• 5:56
  into
• 5:56
  Virgin
• 5:57
  and
• 5:57
  I'd
• 5:57
  have
• 5:57
  like
• 5:58
  a
• 5:58
  schedule
• 5:58
  from
• 5:59
  like
• 5:59
  9am
• 5:59
  to
• 6:00
  4pm,
• 6:01
  5pm
• 6:02
  on
• 6:02
  Pure,
• 6:03
  like
• 6:03
  interviews,
• 6:04
  radio,
• 6:05
  newspaper,
• 6:06
  print,
• 6:06
  whatever
• 6:06
  magazines.
• 6:07
  Like,
• 6:07
  you
• 6:07
  spend
• 6:08
  the
• 6:08
  whole
• 6:08
  day,
• 6:08
  you
• 6:08
  know,
• 6:09
  just
• 6:09
  doing
• 6:09
  all
• 6:09
  of
• 6:10
  this
• 6:10
  all
• 6:10
  day.
• 6:11
  And.
• 6:11
  But
• 6:11
  then
• 6:12
  when
• 6:12
  I'd
• 6:12
  go
• 6:12
  there,
• 6:12
  that's
• 6:13
  where
• 6:13
  some
• 6:13
  of
• 6:13
  the
• 6:13
  fan
• 6:14
  mail
• 6:14
  would
• 6:14
  come.
• 6:14
  And
• 6:14
  yeah,
• 6:15
  I
• 6:15
  would
• 6:15
  get
• 6:15
  like,
• 6:15
  cool
• 6:16
  stuff,
• 6:16
  like
• 6:17
  pictures,
• 6:17
  some
• 6:18
  people
• 6:18
  and
• 6:19
  mail.
• 6:19
  And
• 6:20
  then
• 6:20
  I
• 6:20
  would
• 6:20
  try.
• 6:21
  I
• 6:21
  made
• 6:21
  the
• 6:22
  big
• 6:22
  effort.
• 6:22
  I
• 6:23
  really
• 6:23
  did
• 6:23
  try
• 6:23
  everybody
• 6:24
  out
• 6:24
  there
• 6:24
  to
• 6:24
  sign
• 6:25
  and
• 6:25
  reply
• 6:25
  to
• 6:26
  everyone.
• 6:27
  And
• 6:27
  then
• 6:28
  I
• 6:29
  remember
• 6:29
  somebody,
• 6:30
  my
• 6:30
  friend
• 6:30
  goes.
• 6:30
  He
• 6:30
  looks
• 6:31
  at
• 6:31
  me.
• 6:31
  I'm
• 6:31
  sitting
• 6:31
  at
• 6:31
  my
• 6:32
  kitchen
• 6:32
  table
• 6:32
  trying
• 6:32
  to
• 6:32
  do
• 6:33
  these
• 6:33
  things,
• 6:33
  and
• 6:33
  my
• 6:33
  friend
• 6:34
  looks
• 6:34
  at
• 6:34
  me
• 6:34
  and
• 6:34
  he's
• 6:34
  like.
• 6:36
  I
• 6:36
  said,
• 6:37
  what?
• 6:37
  Like,
• 6:37
  really?
• 6:38
  Like,
• 6:38
  really,
• 6:38
  what
• 6:38
  are
• 6:38
  you
• 6:39
  doing?
• 6:39
  I
• 6:39
  said,
• 6:40
  yeah,
• 6:40
  you
• 6:40
  know,
• 6:40
  I'm
• 6:40
  just,
• 6:40
  you
• 6:40
  know,
• 6:41
  I'm
• 6:41
  just
• 6:41
  trying
• 6:41
  to
• 6:41
  reach
• 6:41
  back,
• 6:42
  whatever.
• 6:42
  He's
• 6:42
  like,
• 6:43
  look
• 6:43
  at
• 6:43
  that
• 6:43
  over
• 6:43
  there.
• 6:43
  And
• 6:43
  it
• 6:43
  was
• 6:44
  like
• 6:44
  this
• 6:44
  big
• 6:44
  pile
• 6:44
  of
• 6:45
  letters
• 6:45
  and
• 6:45
  everything.
• 6:46
  He's
• 6:46
  like,
• 6:46
  when
• 6:46
  do
• 6:46
  you
• 6:46
  think
• 6:46
  you're
• 6:47
  gonna
• 6:47
  have
• 6:47
  time
• 6:47
  to
• 6:47
  do
• 6:47
  each
• 6:48
  one
• 6:48
  of
• 6:48
  those
• 6:48
  back?
• 6:48
  He
• 6:49
  says,
• 6:49
  why
• 6:49
  don't
• 6:49
  you
• 6:49
  just
• 6:49
  do,
• 6:50
  like.
• 6:50
  I
• 6:51
  don't
• 6:51
  know.
• 6:51
  He
• 6:51
  told
• 6:51
  me
• 6:51
  something
• 6:51
  to
• 6:52
  do
• 6:52
  that,
• 6:52
  you
• 6:52
  know,
• 6:53
  like,
• 6:53
  just
• 6:53
  go
• 6:53
  on
• 6:54
  the
• 6:54
  radio
• 6:54
  and
• 6:54
  shout
• 6:55
  everybody
• 6:55
  out
• 6:55
  and.
• 6:56
  Or
• 6:56
  something,
• 6:56
  but
• 6:57
  don't.
• 6:57
  And
• 6:57
  then
• 6:57
  I
• 6:58
  was
• 6:58
  like,
• 6:58
  yeah,
• 6:58
  I
• 6:58
  really
• 6:58
  can't
• 6:59
  do
• 6:59
  this,
• 6:59
  because
• 7:00
  it
• 7:00
  was
• 7:00
  just
• 7:00
  too
• 7:00
  much.
• 7:01
  But
• 7:01
  it
• 7:01
  was
• 7:01
  just
• 7:01
  great.
• 7:01
  The
• 7:02
  amount
• 7:02
  of
• 7:02
  stuff
• 7:02
  that
• 7:02
  I
• 7:02
  would
• 7:03
  get,
• 7:03
  a
• 7:03
  lot
• 7:03
  of
• 7:03
  the
• 7:03
  letters,
• 7:04
  really
• 7:04
  cool
• 7:05
  pictures,
• 7:05
  stories,
• 7:07
  raps
• 7:07
  that
• 7:07
  I
• 7:08
  didn't
• 7:08
  know
• 7:08
  how
• 7:08
  to
• 7:08
  flow.
• 7:08
  I
• 7:09
  wouldn't
• 7:09
  know
• 7:09
  how
• 7:09
  to
• 7:09
  flow
• 7:10
  and
• 7:10
  go.
• 7:10
  They
• 7:10
  just
• 7:10
  give
• 7:10
  me,
• 7:10
  like,
• 7:11
  a
• 7:11
  full
• 7:11
  paragraph
• 7:11
  of
• 7:12
  the
• 7:12
  raps,
• 7:12
  and
• 7:12
  I
• 7:12
  just.
• 7:14
  No
• 7:14
  rhythm,
• 7:14
  no
• 7:15
  tempo,
• 7:15
  nothing.
• 7:15
  Okay.
• 8:05
  When
• 8:05
  did
• 8:05
  you
• 8:05
  first
• 8:06
  decide
• 8:06
  that
• 8:07
  this
• 8:07
  was
• 8:07
  a
• 8:07
  career
• 8:08
  path
• 8:08
  that
• 8:08
  you
• 8:08
  wanted
• 8:08
  to
• 8:09
  follow?
• 8:13
  I
• 8:13
  was
• 8:13
  just.
• 8:14
  Really.
• 8:14
  When
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  was
• 8:14
  just
• 8:14
  growing
• 8:15
  up
• 8:15
  in
• 8:15
  the
• 8:16
  borough,
• 8:16
  my
• 8:17
  brother
• 8:17
  was
• 8:17
  known
• 8:18
  for
• 8:18
  being
• 8:18
  a
• 8:19
  rapper
• 8:19
  in
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  neighborhood,
• 8:20
  and
• 8:22
  I
• 8:22
  would
• 8:23
  just
• 8:23
  be
• 8:23
  called
• 8:23
  Junior.
• 8:24
  Just.
• 8:24
  People
• 8:24
  used
• 8:25
  to
• 8:25
  ask
• 8:25
  me
• 8:25
  if
• 8:25
  I
• 8:25
  was
• 8:25
  gonna
• 8:26
  rap
• 8:26
  like
• 8:26
  him.
• 8:26
  And,
• 8:27
  yeah,
• 8:27
  I
• 8:27
  just
• 8:27
  pick
• 8:28
  up
• 8:28
  the
• 8:28
  mic
• 8:28
  and
• 8:28
  do
• 8:28
  a
• 8:28
  little
• 8:29
  thing
• 8:29
  here
• 8:29
  and
• 8:29
  there
• 8:29
  and
• 8:29
  stuff
• 8:30
  like
• 8:30
  that.
• 8:31
  And
• 8:31
  one
• 8:31
  time,
• 8:31
  I
• 8:31
  was
• 8:32
  just
• 8:32
  at
• 8:32
  a
• 8:33
  house
• 8:33
  party
• 8:34
  in
• 8:35
  a
• 8:35
  building
• 8:35
  at
• 8:36
  Markham
• 8:36
  and
• 8:36
  Eglinton,
• 8:37
  and
• 8:38
  I
• 8:38
  had
• 8:38
  a
• 8:38
  couple
• 8:39
  things
• 8:39
  that
• 8:39
  I
• 8:39
  wrote
• 8:39
  down.
• 8:39
  Somebody
• 8:40
  passed
• 8:40
  me
• 8:40
  to
• 8:40
  Mike.
• 8:41
  I
• 8:41
  picked
• 8:41
  up
• 8:41
  the
• 8:41
  mic.
• 8:41
  I
• 8:42
  said
• 8:42
  what?
• 8:42
  I.
• 8:42
  I
• 8:43
  said.
• 8:43
  And
• 8:43
  then
• 8:43
  the
• 8:43
  guy
• 8:44
  at
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  end,
• 8:44
  he
• 8:44
  just
• 8:44
  said,
• 8:45
  man,
• 8:45
  you're
• 8:45
  good.
• 8:45
  You
• 8:45
  should
• 8:45
  stay
• 8:46
  at
• 8:46
  it.
• 8:46
  And
• 8:47
  I
• 8:48
  just
• 8:48
  stayed
• 8:48
  at
• 8:49
  it.
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  just
• 8:50
  kept
• 8:51
  writing
• 8:51
  from
• 8:51
  there
• 8:51
  and
• 8:51
  just
• 8:51
  keep.
• 8:52
  And
• 8:52
  when
• 8:52
  from
• 8:53
  writing,
• 8:53
  did
• 8:54
  you
• 8:54
  realize,
• 8:54
  oh,
• 8:55
  I'm
• 8:55
  on
• 8:55
  to
• 8:55
  something.
• 8:56
  I
• 8:56
  might
• 8:56
  be
• 8:57
  able
• 8:57
  to
• 8:57
  actually
• 8:57
  make
• 8:58
  money
• 8:58
  off
• 8:58
  of
• 8:58
  this.
• 8:58
  Do
• 8:59
  you
• 8:59
  remember
• 8:59
  that
• 8:59
  moment?
• 9:04
  Well,
• 9:04
  as
• 9:04
  I
• 9:05
  started
• 9:05
  writing,
• 9:07
  people
• 9:07
  would
• 9:07
  come,
• 9:08
  like,
• 9:08
  you
• 9:08
  get
• 9:08
  into,
• 9:09
  like,
• 9:09
  these
• 9:09
  spontaneous
• 9:10
  battles.
• 9:11
  Like,
• 9:11
  you
• 9:11
  know,
• 9:11
  you'd
• 9:11
  be
• 9:11
  at
• 9:12
  Scarborough
• 9:12
  Town
• 9:12
  center,
• 9:13
  and
• 9:13
  you'd
• 9:13
  see
• 9:14
  a
• 9:14
  cipher
• 9:14
  going
• 9:14
  on,
• 9:14
  and
• 9:15
  then
• 9:15
  you
• 9:15
  just.
• 9:15
  All
• 9:16
  of
• 9:16
  a
• 9:16
  sudden,
• 9:16
  you,
• 9:16
  like,
• 9:16
  people
• 9:17
  push
• 9:17
  you
• 9:17
  in
• 9:17
  the
• 9:17
  cipher.
• 9:18
  Or
• 9:18
  somebody
• 9:18
  would
• 9:19
  know
• 9:19
  you
• 9:19
  from
• 9:20
  school
• 9:20
  or
• 9:20
  something
• 9:20
  like
• 9:21
  that.
• 9:21
  You
• 9:21
  get
• 9:21
  dragged
• 9:21
  in.
• 9:22
  And
• 9:22
  then,
• 9:22
  you
• 9:23
  know,
• 9:23
  and
• 9:23
  I
• 9:23
  was
• 9:23
  winning
• 9:23
  a
• 9:23
  lot
• 9:24
  of
• 9:24
  them
• 9:24
  and
• 9:24
  stuff
• 9:24
  like
• 9:24
  that,
• 9:24
  or
• 9:25
  if
• 9:25
  I
• 9:25
  was.
• 9:25
  If
• 9:25
  I
• 9:26
  lost
• 9:26
  any.
• 9:26
  It
• 9:26
  was
• 9:26
  like.
• 9:27
  It
• 9:27
  was
• 9:27
  close.
• 9:27
  Like,
• 9:28
  it
• 9:28
  wasn't
• 9:28
  like,
• 9:28
  Right.
• 9:29
  Right
• 9:29
  Tore
• 9:29
  up
• 9:29
  or
• 9:29
  anything
• 9:30
  like
• 9:30
  that.
• 9:30
  So
• 9:30
  it
• 9:30
  was
• 9:30
  like,
• 9:31
  you
• 9:31
  know,
• 9:31
  people
• 9:31
  were
• 9:31
  like,
• 9:31
  yeah,
• 9:32
  okay,
• 9:32
  he's
• 9:32
  doing
• 9:32
  all
• 9:33
  right.
• 9:34
  So
• 9:34
  I
• 9:34
  just
• 9:34
  kept
• 9:34
  going
• 9:35
  and
• 9:35
  writing
• 9:35
  songs.
• 9:36
  I
• 9:36
  met.
• 9:37
  Through
• 9:37
  high
• 9:37
  school,
• 9:37
  I
• 9:38
  met.
• 9:38
  We
• 9:38
  had
• 9:38
  a
• 9:39
  mutual
• 9:39
  friend
• 9:39
  that
• 9:40
  introduced
• 9:40
  me
• 9:40
  to
• 9:40
  Socrates,
• 9:41
  and
• 9:41
  I
• 9:41
  met
• 9:41
  up
• 9:42
  with
• 9:42
  him,
• 9:42
  and
• 9:42
  then
• 9:42
  we
• 9:42
  started
• 9:43
  going
• 9:43
  to
• 9:43
  the
• 9:43
  studio
• 9:44
  together
• 9:44
  from
• 9:44
  way
• 9:45
  back
• 9:45
  when.
• 9:45
  And
• 9:46
  then
• 9:46
  my
• 9:46
  friend
• 9:46
  Rod
• 9:46
  dollar
• 9:47
  would
• 9:47
  come
• 9:48
  all
• 9:48
  the
• 9:48
  time.
• 9:48
  And
• 9:49
  then,
• 9:49
  yeah,
• 9:50
  we
• 9:50
  just,
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  just
• 9:50
  kept
• 9:51
  going.
• 9:51
  So
• 9:51
  there
• 9:51
  was
• 9:51
  always
• 9:51
  like
• 9:52
  this
• 9:52
  motivation.
• 9:52
  Like,
• 9:53
  you
• 9:53
  know,
• 9:53
  now
• 9:53
  I'm
• 9:53
  doing
• 9:53
  beats,
• 9:53
  I'm
• 9:54
  doing
• 9:54
  songs,
• 9:55
  demos
• 9:55
  with
• 9:55
  Socrates,
• 9:56
  you
• 9:56
  know,
• 9:56
  and
• 9:56
  he
• 9:56
  had
• 9:56
  to
• 9:57
  still
• 9:57
  caught
• 9:57
  up
• 9:57
  in
• 9:57
  all
• 9:57
  these
• 9:58
  early
• 9:58
  singles
• 9:58
  out
• 9:58
  at
• 9:59
  the
• 9:59
  time.
• 9:59
  So
• 9:59
  he
• 10:00
  was
• 10:00
  a
• 10:00
  big
• 10:00
  deal.
• 10:00
  Like
• 10:00
  he
• 10:01
  was.
• 10:01
  Yeah,
• 10:01
  definitely,
• 10:02
  you
• 10:02
  know,
• 10:02
  sort
• 10:02
  of
• 10:02
  the
• 10:03
  big
• 10:03
  small.
• 10:03
  The
• 10:03
  big
• 10:04
  small
• 10:04
  guy.
• 10:04
  Oh
• 10:04
  yeah,
• 10:05
  these
• 10:05
  two
• 10:05
  hot
• 10:05
  singles
• 10:06
  rock.
• 10:06
  Yeah,
• 10:07
  he
• 10:07
  had
• 10:07
  the
• 10:07
  two
• 10:07
  hot
• 10:08
  singles
• 10:08
  running
• 10:08
  on
• 10:09
  88.1
• 10:11
  Saturday
• 10:11
  at
• 10:11
  least
• 10:11
  twice
• 10:12
  a
• 10:12
  day.
• 10:12
  Like,
• 10:12
  you
• 10:12
  know,
• 10:12
  between
• 10:13
  money
• 10:14
  and
• 10:14
  love.
• 10:14
  Yeah,
• 10:14
  and
• 10:15
  this
• 10:15
  is
• 10:15
  even
• 10:15
  before
• 10:16
  that.
• 10:16
  So,
• 10:16
  you
• 10:16
  know,
• 10:16
  it
• 10:17
  was
• 10:17
  like
• 10:18
  eight
• 10:18
  runs
• 10:19
  deep.
• 10:19
  It
• 10:19
  was
• 10:19
  right
• 10:19
  around
• 10:20
  Hates
• 10:20
  runs
• 10:20
  deep.
• 10:20
  He
• 10:21
  was
• 10:21
  just,
• 10:21
  he
• 10:21
  was
• 10:21
  just
• 10:22
  doing
• 10:22
  that.
• 10:22
  And
• 10:23
  so
• 10:23
  there
• 10:23
  was
• 10:24
  always
• 10:24
  motivation
• 10:24
  to
• 10:24
  keep
• 10:24
  recording.
• 10:26
  And
• 10:27
  at
• 10:27
  one
• 10:27
  point
• 10:27
  I
• 10:27
  just
• 10:27
  decided
• 10:28
  because
• 10:28
  I
• 10:28
  was
• 10:28
  putting
• 10:28
  my
• 10:28
  records
• 10:29
  into
• 10:29
  record
• 10:29
  companies
• 10:30
  and
• 10:30
  stuff
• 10:30
  like
• 10:30
  that
• 10:30
  and
• 10:31
  I
• 10:31
  just
• 10:31
  got
• 10:31
  a
• 10:31
  fed
• 10:31
  up
• 10:31
  and
• 10:32
  I
• 10:32
  was
• 10:32
  like,
• 10:32
  man,
• 10:32
  you
• 10:32
  need
• 10:32
  to
• 10:32
  know
• 10:33
  somebody
• 10:33
  to
• 10:33
  go
• 10:33
  and
• 10:33
  get
• 10:33
  anything
• 10:34
  to
• 10:34
  happen.
• 10:34
  You
• 10:35
  know,
• 10:35
  if
• 10:35
  you
• 10:35
  don't
• 10:35
  know
• 10:35
  anybody
• 10:36
  or
• 10:36
  have
• 10:36
  a
• 10:36
  connection,
• 10:36
  it's
• 10:37
  not
• 10:37
  going
• 10:37
  to
• 10:37
  happen,
• 10:37
  man.
• 10:37
  We
• 10:37
  should
• 10:38
  just
• 10:38
  do
• 10:38
  our
• 10:38
  own
• 10:38
  stuff.
• 10:39
  And
• 10:39
  then
• 10:39
  me
• 10:40
  and
• 10:40
  the
• 10:40
  engineer
• 10:40
  at
• 10:41
  the
• 10:41
  time
• 10:41
  named
• 10:41
  Day,
• 10:41
  he
• 10:42
  was
• 10:42
  called
• 10:42
  me
• 10:42
  the
• 10:42
  next
• 10:42
  day.
• 10:42
  He
• 10:43
  was
• 10:43
  like,
• 10:43
  were
• 10:43
  you
• 10:43
  serious
• 10:43
  about
• 10:43
  what
• 10:43
  you're
• 10:44
  saying?
• 10:44
  I
• 10:44
  was
• 10:44
  like,
• 10:44
  yeah,
• 10:44
  man,
• 10:44
  you
• 10:45
  know,
• 10:45
  we
• 10:45
  can't
• 10:45
  get
• 10:45
  ahead
• 10:45
  with
• 10:45
  whatever.
• 10:46
  Then
• 10:47
  three
• 10:47
  weeks
• 10:47
  later,
• 10:47
  we
• 10:47
  had
• 10:48
  a
• 10:48
  record
• 10:48
  company
• 10:48
  called
• 10:48
  Knee
• 10:49
  Deep
• 10:49
  Entertainment
• 10:49
  and
• 10:50
  went
• 10:50
  down
• 10:50
  to
• 10:50
  university,
• 10:51
  registered
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  company
• 10:51
  that
• 10:52
  now
• 10:52
  we
• 10:53
  have
• 10:53
  a
• 10:53
  record
• 10:53
  company.
• 10:54
  And
• 10:54
  I'm
• 10:54
  thinking,
• 10:54
  okay,
• 10:54
  I
• 10:55
  guess
• 10:55
  I'm
• 10:55
  a
• 10:55
  record
• 10:55
  company
• 10:55
  guy
• 10:56
  now.
• 10:56
  I'm
• 10:56
  not
• 10:56
  a
• 10:56
  rapper
• 10:56
  anymore.
• 10:57
  And
• 10:58
  we're
• 10:58
  like,
• 10:58
  okay,
• 10:58
  well
• 10:58
  we
• 10:59
  need
• 10:59
  music
• 10:59
  because
• 11:00
  what
• 11:00
  are
• 11:00
  we
• 11:00
  going
• 11:00
  to
• 11:00
  do?
• 11:01
  And
• 11:01
  he
• 11:02
  showed
• 11:02
  me
• 11:02
  Socrates,
• 11:03
  Father
• 11:03
  Time
• 11:03
  that
• 11:03
  he
• 11:04
  was
• 11:04
  working
• 11:04
  on.
• 11:04
  And
• 11:04
  then
• 11:05
  back
• 11:05
  then
• 11:05
  everybody
• 11:06
  was
• 11:06
  like,
• 11:06
  okay,
• 11:06
  well
• 11:06
  you
• 11:06
  need
• 11:07
  a
• 11:07
  B
• 11:07
  side.
• 11:07
  You
• 11:07
  don't
• 11:07
  have
• 11:08
  a
• 11:08
  B
• 11:08
  side.
• 11:09
  So
• 11:09
  I
• 11:09
  was
• 11:09
  like,
• 11:09
  well,
• 11:09
  I've
• 11:10
  been
• 11:10
  working
• 11:10
  on
• 11:10
  this
• 11:10
  song
• 11:10
  called
• 11:10
  21
• 11:11
  years.
• 11:11
  Why
• 11:11
  don't
• 11:11
  we
• 11:11
  do
• 11:12
  it
• 11:12
  on
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  B
• 11:12
  side?
• 11:13
  So
• 11:13
  that
• 11:13
  became
• 11:13
  the
• 11:13
  B
• 11:14
  side
• 11:14
  just
• 11:14
  to
• 11:14
  have
• 11:14
  a
• 11:15
  B
• 11:15
  side
• 11:15
  of
• 11:15
  the
• 11:16
  Father
• 11:16
  Time
• 11:16
  record.
• 11:17
  And
• 11:17
  Father
• 11:17
  Time
• 11:17
  did
• 11:18
  really
• 11:18
  well.
• 11:18
  Got
• 11:18
  sock
• 11:19
  signed
• 11:19
  to
• 11:19
  Warner
• 11:19
  Brothers,
• 11:20
  was
• 11:20
  playing
• 11:20
  everywhere
• 11:20
  was
• 11:21
  on
• 11:21
  these
• 11:21
  movies
• 11:21
  and
• 11:22
  all
• 11:22
  this
• 11:22
  other
• 11:22
  stuff
• 11:22
  going
• 11:22
  crazy.
• 11:23
  And
• 11:23
  I
• 11:23
  remember
• 11:23
  listening
• 11:24
  to
• 11:24
  88.11
• 11:25
  Time
• 11:25
  and
• 11:26
  somebody
• 11:26
  called
• 11:26
  in
• 11:26
  and
• 11:27
  they
• 11:27
  were
• 11:27
  saying,
• 11:27
  they
• 11:27
  said,
• 11:27
  you
• 11:28
  know
• 11:28
  that
• 11:28
  Father
• 11:28
  Time
• 11:28
  record
• 11:29
  is
• 11:29
  really
• 11:29
  big,
• 11:29
  but
• 11:29
  you
• 11:30
  really
• 11:30
  need
• 11:30
  to
• 11:30
  check
• 11:31
  out
• 11:31
  that
• 11:31
  21
• 11:32
  years
• 11:32
  track
• 11:32
  by
• 11:32
  Shot.
• 11:33
  When
• 11:33
  they
• 11:33
  said
• 11:33
  my
• 11:33
  name
• 11:33
  wrong.
• 11:37
  And
• 11:37
  I
• 11:37
  was
• 11:37
  like,
• 11:38
  oh.
• 11:38
  And
• 11:38
  then
• 11:38
  DJ
• 11:38
  X
• 11:40
  and
• 11:40
  then
• 11:40
  DJX
• 11:41
  goes,
• 11:41
  yeah,
• 11:41
  you
• 11:41
  know
• 11:41
  what
• 11:42
  we
• 11:42
  really
• 11:42
  need
• 11:42
  to
• 11:42
  give
• 11:42
  that
• 11:43
  record
• 11:43
  on
• 11:43
  the
• 11:43
  other
• 11:43
  side
• 11:43
  a
• 11:44
  little.
• 11:44
  A
• 11:44
  little
• 11:44
  attention.
• 11:46
  And,
• 11:46
  you
• 11:46
  know,
• 11:46
  so
• 11:46
  he
• 11:46
  started
• 11:47
  playing
• 11:47
  it,
• 11:47
  and
• 11:47
  then
• 11:47
  all
• 11:47
  of
• 11:48
  a
• 11:48
  sudden,
• 11:48
  DJ
• 11:48
  Premier
• 11:49
  puts
• 11:49
  it
• 11:49
  on
• 11:49
  his
• 11:49
  Reality
• 11:50
  Check
• 11:50
  101
• 11:51
  album,
• 11:51
  and
• 11:52
  it
• 11:52
  just
• 11:52
  starts
• 11:53
  going.
• 11:53
  And
• 11:53
  then
• 11:54
  we
• 11:54
  were
• 11:54
  like,
• 11:54
  well,
• 11:54
  we
• 11:55
  need
• 11:55
  another
• 11:55
  record,
• 11:55
  and
• 11:55
  we
• 11:56
  have
• 11:56
  no
• 11:56
  artists.
• 11:56
  And
• 11:56
  I
• 11:56
  guess.
• 11:57
  Well,
• 11:57
  I
• 11:57
  guess
• 11:57
  I'll
• 11:57
  record
• 11:58
  another
• 11:58
  single.
• 11:59
  And
• 11:59
  so
• 11:59
  that's
• 12:00
  when
• 12:00
  I
• 12:00
  did
• 12:00
  what
• 12:00
  It
• 12:00
  Takes
• 12:00
  with
• 12:01
  Julie
• 12:01
  Black
• 12:01
  in
• 12:01
  Just
• 12:02
  a
• 12:02
  second
• 12:02
  on
• 12:02
  the
• 12:02
  other
• 12:02
  side.
• 12:03
  And
• 12:03
  then
• 12:03
  we
• 12:03
  won
• 12:03
  the
• 12:03
  Juno
• 12:04
  for
• 12:04
  what
• 12:04
  It
• 12:04
  Takes
• 12:04
  that
• 12:05
  following
• 12:05
  year.
• 12:05
  And
• 12:05
  we
• 12:06
  were
• 12:06
  like,
• 12:06
  well,
• 12:06
  I
• 12:06
  guess
• 12:06
  I'm
• 12:06
  the
• 12:06
  artist
• 12:07
  now.
• 12:08
  That's
• 12:08
  the
• 12:08
  one
• 12:08
  behind
• 12:08
  the
• 12:09
  See
• 12:09
  A
• 12:09
  Tower,
• 12:09
  Right?
• 12:10
  We're
• 12:10
  the
• 12:10
  label
• 12:11
  by
• 12:11
  then.
• 12:11
  What
• 12:11
  It
• 12:12
  Takes.
• 12:12
  Yeah,
• 12:12
  yeah,
• 12:13
  in
• 12:14
  the
• 12:14
  background.
• 12:15
  Yep.
• 12:17
  That
• 12:17
  was
• 12:17
  actually
• 12:18
  DJ
• 12:19
  X.
• 12:19
  Little
• 12:19
  X.
• 12:19
  Not
• 12:20
  DJ
• 12:20
  X,
• 12:20
  Direct
• 12:20
  the
• 12:21
  X.
• 12:21
  And
• 12:21
  Little
• 12:21
  X's
• 12:22
  first
• 12:23
  video,
• 12:24
  once
• 12:24
  he
• 12:24
  started
• 12:25
  working
• 12:25
  off
• 12:25
  of
• 12:25
  Hype
• 12:26
  Williams,
• 12:26
  because
• 12:26
  he
• 12:27
  came
• 12:27
  back
• 12:28
  and
• 12:28
  he
• 12:28
  did
• 12:28
  the
• 12:28
  second
• 12:29
  half
• 12:29
  of
• 12:29
  that
• 12:29
  video.
• 12:29
  When
• 12:30
  you're
• 12:30
  seeing
• 12:30
  the.
• 12:30
  The
• 12:31
  tower
• 12:31
  and
• 12:31
  we're
• 12:32
  on
• 12:32
  the.
• 12:32
  Actually
• 12:32
  Ward's
• 12:33
  island
• 12:33
  by
• 12:33
  center
• 12:33
  island
• 12:34
  there,
• 12:34
  that's
• 12:34
  his
• 12:35
  stuff
• 12:35
  that
• 12:35
  he
• 12:35
  shot.
• 12:35
  And
• 12:36
  so.
• 12:36
  And
• 12:36
  that
• 12:36
  won
• 12:37
  the
• 12:37
  Juno.
• 12:37
  And
• 12:38
  then.
• 12:39
  And
• 12:39
  we
• 12:39
  were
• 12:39
  like,
• 12:39
  well,
• 12:39
  I
• 12:39
  guess
• 12:40
  I'm
• 12:40
  gonna
• 12:40
  keep
• 12:40
  recording
• 12:41
  because
• 12:41
  I'm
• 12:41
  the
• 12:42
  only
• 12:42
  artist
• 12:42
  on
• 12:42
  the
• 12:43
  label.
• 12:43
  And
• 12:43
  at
• 12:43
  that
• 12:43
  point,
• 12:43
  I
• 12:44
  was
• 12:44
  like,
• 12:44
  all
• 12:44
  right.
• 12:44
  I
• 12:45
  guess,
• 12:45
  you
• 12:45
  know,
• 12:45
  things
• 12:45
  are
• 12:46
  kind
• 12:46
  of
• 12:46
  moving,
• 12:46
  and
• 12:46
  it
• 12:47
  just
• 12:47
  gradually
• 12:47
  kept
• 12:47
  going.
• 12:48
  Speaking
• 12:48
  of
• 12:49
  recording
• 12:50
  and
• 12:50
  winning
• 12:51
  and
• 12:53
  all
• 12:53
  of
• 12:53
  that,
• 12:54
  we
• 12:54
  got
• 12:55
  to
• 12:55
  work
• 12:55
  on
• 12:55
  one
• 12:55
  of
• 12:55
  your
• 12:55
  songs
• 12:56
  here,
• 12:56
  Feel
• 12:57
  the
• 12:57
  Night,
• 12:58
  and
• 12:58
  we.
• 12:59
  I
• 13:00
  got
• 13:00
  to
• 13:00
  hear
• 13:00
  your
• 13:01
  bare
• 13:01
  tracks
• 13:02
  without
• 13:02
  any
• 13:02
  processing
• 13:03
  or
• 13:03
  anything,
• 13:04
  and
• 13:04
  it
• 13:04
  was
• 13:06
  perfect.
• 13:06
  I
• 13:06
  didn't.
• 13:07
  Like,
• 13:07
  I
• 13:07
  had
• 13:07
  to
• 13:07
  carve
• 13:08
  some
• 13:08
  EQ
• 13:09
  because
• 13:09
  that.
• 13:09
  That
• 13:09
  has
• 13:10
  to
• 13:10
  do
• 13:10
  with
• 13:10
  the
• 13:10
  mic,
• 13:10
  but
• 13:11
  the
• 13:11
  timing
• 13:11
  and
• 13:11
  everything.
• 13:12
  So
• 13:12
  I'm
• 13:13
  wondering,
• 13:14
  starting
• 13:14
  out
• 13:14
  or
• 13:15
  still?
• 13:15
  Did
• 13:15
  you
• 13:16
  have
• 13:16
  a
• 13:16
  practice
• 13:16
  regimen?
• 13:17
  Did
• 13:17
  you
• 13:17
  do
• 13:17
  Tongue
• 13:18
  Twisters?
• 13:19
  Because
• 13:20
  clearly
• 13:20
  your
• 13:20
  rhythm
• 13:21
  is
• 13:21
  down
• 13:21
  from
• 13:22
  practice.
• 13:26
  I
• 13:26
  don't.
• 13:26
  You
• 13:27
  know
• 13:27
  what?
• 13:27
  I
• 13:27
  don't.
• 13:28
  I
• 13:28
  don't
• 13:29
  know
• 13:29
  how
• 13:29
  that
• 13:29
  actually,
• 13:30
  like,
• 13:30
  you
• 13:30
  know,
• 13:30
  I
• 13:30
  have
• 13:31
  artists
• 13:31
  that
• 13:31
  I
• 13:32
  like
• 13:32
  like.
• 13:32
  I
• 13:32
  like
• 13:33
  Biggie.
• 13:34
  I
• 13:34
  like,
• 13:34
  you
• 13:34
  know,
• 13:35
  I
• 13:35
  like,
• 13:37
  you
• 13:37
  know,
• 13:37
  Big
• 13:38
  Daddy
• 13:38
  Kane.
• 13:38
  I
• 13:38
  like
• 13:39
  the
• 13:39
  Rock
• 13:39
  Hymns
• 13:39
  and
• 13:40
  stuff.
• 13:40
  You
• 13:40
  know,
• 13:41
  so
• 13:41
  maybe
• 13:41
  there's
• 13:42
  some
• 13:42
  influence
• 13:42
  from
• 13:43
  some
• 13:43
  of
• 13:43
  that,
• 13:43
  but
• 13:44
  a
• 13:44
  lot
• 13:44
  of
• 13:44
  times
• 13:46
  I
• 13:46
  was
• 13:47
  trying
• 13:47
  to
• 13:47
  explain
• 13:47
  it
• 13:47
  to
• 13:47
  my
• 13:48
  friend
• 13:48
  the
• 13:48
  other
• 13:48
  day
• 13:48
  because
• 13:49
  we
• 13:50
  were
• 13:50
  having
• 13:50
  this
• 13:50
  meeting
• 13:50
  or
• 13:51
  we
• 13:51
  were
• 13:51
  talking
• 13:51
  about
• 13:51
  the
• 13:51
  videos
• 13:52
  that
• 13:52
  we
• 13:52
  just
• 13:52
  did,
• 13:53
  and.
• 13:54
  And
• 13:54
  we
• 13:54
  were
• 13:54
  throwing
• 13:54
  out
• 13:55
  ideas,
• 13:55
  and
• 13:55
  I
• 13:55
  had
• 13:55
  it
• 13:56
  on,
• 13:56
  like,
• 13:56
  the
• 13:56
  Nature
• 13:57
  Channel,
• 13:58
  and
• 13:58
  I
• 13:58
  was
• 13:59
  just
• 13:59
  watching,
• 13:59
  you
• 13:59
  know,
• 13:59
  like,
• 14:00
  bears
• 14:00
  and
• 14:01
  lions
• 14:01
  do
• 14:01
  whatever
• 14:01
  they're
• 14:01
  doing
• 14:02
  and
• 14:02
  whatever.
• 14:02
  But
• 14:03
  I
• 14:03
  don't
• 14:03
  know.
• 14:03
  I
• 14:04
  get
• 14:04
  some
• 14:04
  type
• 14:04
  of.
• 14:05
  Something
• 14:06
  happens
• 14:06
  like
• 14:07
  I
• 14:07
  get
• 14:07
  some
• 14:07
  type
• 14:07
  of
• 14:07
  visual,
• 14:08
  it
• 14:08
  changes
• 14:09
  into
• 14:09
  a
• 14:09
  vision
• 14:10
  audio
• 14:10
  type
• 14:11
  situation
• 14:11
  with
• 14:11
  me
• 14:12
  the
• 14:12
  way
• 14:12
  they
• 14:12
  move
• 14:12
  and
• 14:12
  to
• 14:13
  skip.
• 14:13
  Or
• 14:13
  I'll
• 14:13
  watch
• 14:13
  like
• 14:14
  sports
• 14:14
  highlights
• 14:15
  and
• 14:16
  I'll
• 14:16
  look
• 14:16
  at
• 14:17
  the
• 14:17
  way
• 14:17
  like,
• 14:17
  you
• 14:17
  know,
• 14:17
  if
• 14:18
  someone
• 14:18
  does
• 14:18
  a
• 14:18
  really
• 14:18
  quick
• 14:18
  dribble,
• 14:19
  a
• 14:19
  quick
• 14:19
  crossover,
• 14:20
  you
• 14:20
  it's
• 14:20
  the
• 14:20
  speed
• 14:21
  of
• 14:21
  the
• 14:21
  bounce
• 14:21
  of
• 14:21
  the
• 14:21
  ball,
• 14:22
  there's
• 14:22
  a
• 14:22
  rhythm
• 14:22
  there.
• 14:23
  Or
• 14:24
  even
• 14:24
  faster.